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Date:      Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:11:53 -0600
From:      "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com>
To:        FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: sendmail
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On 3 Jul 2019, at 00:47, Roderick <hruodr@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, @lbutlr wrote:
>> I ran screaming from sendmail. If it wasn=E2=80=99t for postfix I =
would have
>> abandoned running a mail server, no way was I going to dive back into
>> sendmail.
>=20
> Perhaps you should consider if running a mail server is for you.

Oh sure, now you tell me. It=E2=80=99s a bit late, being well over 20 =
years in.

But seriously, just because someone doesn=E2=80=99t use the tool you =
like doesn=E2=80=99t mean their choice is inferior. A whole hell of a =
lot of servers use postfix, and you are not qualified to denigrate =
people who make that choice just because it isn=E2=80=99t the choice you =
like.

You like opaque configuration files that punish the admin, fine, you be =
you. Don=E2=80=99t tell me I should be like you though.

Hm.. I should update that to over 25 years. Sigh.

> sendmail is not that bad

I disagree. I *hated* sendmail, and most especially trying to parse the =
documentation and configurations. Maybe the docs have gotten better, but =
the configuration itself is still opaque to the point of making perl =
look human-readable and kid-friendly.

/etc/mail/freebsd.cf
> R<$+> <$*> <$- $-> <$*>         $: <$(access $4:$1 $: ? $)> <$1> <$2> =
<$3 $4> <$5>
> R<?> <$+> <$*> <+ $-> <$*>      $: <$(access $1 $: ? $)> <$1> <$2> <+ =
$3> <$4>
> R<?> <$+ + $* @> <$*> <$- $-> <$*>
>                         $: <$(access $5:$1+*@ $: ? $)> <$1+$2@> <$3> =
<$4 $5> <$6>

Yep, that=E2=80=99s about what I remember. No thanks.





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