From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 03:58:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABD0106566C for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F99B8FC08 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id oAE3wnwN025173; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:58:50 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 14:58:49 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Rob Farmer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20101114133941.N39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20101113193632.4EFEA10656CD@hub.freebsd.org> <20101114120609.C39988@sola.nimnet.asn.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-445502283-1289707129=:39988" Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: JMicron JMB363 PCIe controler doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 03:58:52 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-445502283-1289707129=:39988 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Rob Farmer wrote: > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:39, Ian Smith wrote: > > Hey Woj, long time; yeah you picked a hell of time to re-surface. > > > > More likely nobody who knows would be bothered wasting their time wading > > through the present volume of bullshit infecting this once-useful list, > > which has been lately taken over by a gang of clueless vandals who want > > to use it as a Twitter replacement from their mobiles, shoving up middle > > fingers at those trying to restore some sanity.  I've about had enough. > > There has always been crap on this list - that's the logical > conclusion of unmoderated discussion forums. Its cyclic and will > probably die down soon for a while. Filter your mail by thread, > killfile the worst offenders, or get a moderator who can bump the BS > over to chat@. In fact, you received excellent suggestions last time > you brought this up (complaining about Wojciech Puchar, interestingly > enough): > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-May/199607.html > > Writing more mail to complain about too much mail is self-defeating. > That's why I don't reply to stuff like the devil thread - it just > increases its longevity. Yeah, point taken, and the irony of earlier exchanges with Woj wasn't lost on me either, but I'd forgotten how bad it got before I flipped! The thing is - and was then, too - that this list is widely advertised (in the handbook, even the installed /etc/motd) as the primary contact point for new people with questions about FreeBSD, and as such can't be moderated by 'some poor bastard .. 24/7/365' as I put it then, nor can it require pre-subscription as do some of the better-disciplined lists. Which means, as ever, that it's up to this community to moderate it as we go: making allowances for newbies but pointing out list etiquette and mores when people should long since have got past acting like newbies, offlist where possible; ignoring obvious trolling, keeping a sense of humour about the occasional forays into absurdity and such. That said, I draw the line at people saying 'fsck you all' when asked not to clutter the list with top-posted, tail-quoted one-line drivel. cheers, Ian --0-445502283-1289707129=:39988--