Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:55:48 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> To: Mikhail Teterin <mi@kot.ne.mediaone.net> Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org> Subject: Re: make world failed Message-ID: <200004032055.QAA99540@server.baldwin.cx> In-Reply-To: <200004031939.PAA77614@rtfm.newton>
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On 03-Apr-00 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Doug Barton once stated: > > = The actual problem was that you stuck to that web page as your only > =source of information. Right at the very top of that page, in bold > =letters it says that you need to subscribe to and read the -stable > =and/or -current mailing lists before trying to track -stable. If you > =had done that, you would have seen ample discussion about the > =particular problems related to that upgrade. > > Soon, we'll read, that one needs to follow this mailing lists to even > use FreeBSD. This is wrong -- the original poster is not "tracking > -stable", by which I mean regular rebuilds. He merely wanted to go from > one release to another -- once. And did it the way he always did before, > after consulting the same information sources he consulted before. I think that in that situation you should probably still read -stable. However, the existence of UPDATING and its meaning wasn't communicated well to the mass population of -stable users. The main reason is that UPDATING is mainly useful for people running -current, as -current tends to have a lot more bumps in the road that have to be worked around. However, 3.x has also had an UPDATING file, albeit one that doesn't have much in it since -stable really wasn't the original intended target, so UPDATING wasn't completely hidden. During the 2.2.x -> 3.x upgrade, the only truly bonafide place to get the instructions was the -stable mailing list at first. Later on it worked its way out into various web pages, etc. I expect that we will see the same pattern here. The actual instructions for the upgrade path was mainly hashed out on -current and added to UPDATING, and then discussed on -stable. Now it is filtering out to web pages and other sites. Probably a note in the make world tutorial about make world not being useful for branch upgrades would help, however. If people knew that they needed to wait for different instructions for the branch upgrades, then people would (hopefully) wait for the finalized set of instructions to filter out of the mailing lists and into web sites and what not. Feel free to disagree with any of the above. :) -- John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message
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