From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Tue Jul 16 00:31:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113B3C7B6E for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:31:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: from out.migadu.com (out.migadu.com [91.121.223.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.migadu.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 548DF878F8 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from greg@unrelenting.technology) Received: (Migadu outbound); Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:31:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.155] ([62.122.208.146]) by out.migadu.com (Haraka/2.8.16) with ESMTPSA id 0C90F768-C6C9-4612-9A05-DCB5180F94CD.1 envelope-from (authenticated bits=0) (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:31:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 03:31:06 +0300 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <20190715200456.6d64e3b9297ca0f54ffc0577@bidouilliste.com> References: <8352f841-0522-9f45-148d-d2948e97857e@gmail.com> <20190713152404.GJ1503@dendrobates> <6b3dcec02b425a8559605b4e6c5ada19ee642728.camel@freebsd.org> <20190713194256.GK1503@dendrobates> <85e35455-793a-84fe-c8cf-39b89ade7c11@gmail.com> <900bc3467c7e28f58e8e6cf17e881bdefcb3b751.camel@freebsd.org> <20190714174432.GC26897@lonesome.com> <20190715200456.6d64e3b9297ca0f54ffc0577@bidouilliste.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.3-RELEASE and 11.2-RELEASE images fail to boot on BeagleBone Black To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org, Emmanuel Vadot , George Mitchell CC: Mark Linimon ,Ian Lepore From: Greg V Message-ID: <1A010154-D48C-43B2-8F7B-71C85D34577C@unrelenting.technology> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; bh=6L+fIW7Xcl4dfrAUjwVmtu5ZoASa1nFWwZI5Hcz8s+M=; c=relaxed/simple; d=unrelenting.technology; h=from:subject:date:to; s=default; b=NNfEriYiOKmllzNA3ozGQST+qs8i55Of/h24NixLOsnyJI+6XY2byAMdCSiHaoTyn5hgTkrVpvUnZHTzcbH4E4vuNF6XwHsq1wdfaF9EeiL51IoKXnpFNACNFBVA6kFsam3vWVHcfMZxGigTRLVHRhEgVY9us+N300/wXjv9Uus= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 548DF878F8 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=unrelenting.technology header.s=default header.b=NNfEriYi; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=unrelenting.technology; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of greg@unrelenting.technology designates 91.121.223.63 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=greg@unrelenting.technology X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.37 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[unrelenting.technology:s=default]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:91.121.223.63]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[unrelenting.technology:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[unrelenting.technology,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[63.223.121.91.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[aspmx1.migadu.com,aspmx2.migadu.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.742,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-2.62)[ip: (-9.90), ipnet: 91.121.0.0/16(-4.37), asn: 16276(1.17), country: FR(-0.01)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16276, ipnet:91.121.0.0/16, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:31:21 -0000 On July 15, 2019 9:04:56 PM GMT+03:00, Emmanuel Vadot wrote: >On Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:41:46 -0400 >George Mitchell wrote: > >> On 2019-07-14 13:44, Mark Linimon wrote: >> > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 10:04:30AM -0600, Ian Lepore wrote: >> >> [=2E=2E=2E] Two or three years ago it looked like arm was at the poi= nt >where it >> >> should be a tier-1 platform, and I put a lot of effort into things >like >> >> testing releases, because releases that actually work seem like an >> >> important thing for a tier-1 platform=2E=20 >> >=20 >> > I will have to admit ignorance of the past history, so I can't >address >> > what went wrong there=2E >> >=20 >> > But my own view as a very casual user of arm is this: >> >=20 >> > - we need more people doing testing (both releases and snapshots), >and >> > reporting the results=2E >> >=20 >> > - we need to be better about gathering that information together=2E >> > [=2E=2E=2E] >>=20 >> Both of you are right=2E But despite my own forlorn hope a few years >back >> that ARM would become a fully-fledged Tier 1 platform, the >fragmentation >> of the market has made it impossible=2E But I still hope that maybe >three >> or four widely popular ARM boards (Raspberry Pi being the most >obvious >> possibility) might individually be declared Tier 1=2E -- >George >>=20 > >If we promote an ARM board to tier-1 this will never be one of the RPI=2E > None of the active ARM FreeBSD developper works on it (and don't >really want to as the board and the docs just sucks)=2E > Just go with Allwinner or IMX6 based board and you will be good=2E I would expect generic ACPI "SBSA-ish" aarch64 to be promoted to tier-1 be= fore any of the embedded stuff=2E=2E