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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> <099fbe6f-249c-f24a-63b7-ba30eeeb0ace@gmail.com> From: Noel Message-ID: <6d353e5e-c433-e093-ee5b-d431df201b79@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:59:12 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <099fbe6f-249c-f24a-63b7-ba30eeeb0ace@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYC501ZgVz3GP4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WTR2Y+Gf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of noeldude@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=noeldude@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 01:59:16 -0000 On 2/6/2021 3:22 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On 2/6/21 10:51 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> Please move this gaggle elsewhere. All this has less than zero to do with >> FreeBSD. Thanks > I think it was reasonable for me to ask, because I thought gmail was > blacklisted. I wanted to be sure that any provider I used was not > blacklisted. > > But it turned out that the problem was that I included the period in my > username on gmail. That seems to confuse the FreeBSD mail server. So > if you want to use gmail with FreeBSD, don't put periods in your gmail > user name. > _______________________________________________ Note that gmail suppresses duplicate messages, so you won't receive your own posts to the mail list. Even though you don't see it, be assured all of us do. Gmail works fine with this mail list. So we got this message from you twice so far. No need to sent it again.   -- Noel Jones From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 04:34:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623255472FD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 04:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdlists.admin@protonmail.com) Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch (mail4.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYGX41GgJz3Q4f for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 04:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdlists.admin@protonmail.com) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:34:10 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: JB Reply-To: JB Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 869, Issue 6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYGX41GgJz3Q4f X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsdlists.admin@protonmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.27:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protonmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protonmail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[185.70.40.27:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.27:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protonmail.com:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[protonmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.70.40.27:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.994]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:34:29 -0000 =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Saturday, February 6th, 2021 at 2:19 AM, wrote: > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000 > > From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" stephen@missouri.edu > > To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? > > Message-ID: > > PH0PR01MB6523127AB2337C5F2DA87EADD4B19@PH0PR01MB6523.prod.exchangelabs.co= m > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a different = email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried gmail, but it seem= s that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. Anyone got other suggestions? > > Thanks, Stephen > The real question (after seeing some of the replies to your query) is why *= anyone* is still using Google's services, unless they "really literally" su= pport fascism. Use Mailfence (https://mailfence.com/, "Secure and private email"), or Prot= onMail (https://protonmail.com/, "Secure Email Based in Switzerland" which = encrypts *everything*). Stop feeding the fncking beast your data. The level= of ignorance required to still support Google astounds me. 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I have an older system I built myself that has a GeForce GT 450. This graphics card has served me well and through multiple FreeBSD upgrades. I had it connected to my two displays using DVI-to-HDMI cables and everything works great. But I am now transitioning to being a full-time telecommuter for work. My work supplied system has a docking box that connects using DisplayPort. My displays supported each, however, I have limited desktop real estate, so I was sent a modern KVM switch that, unfortunately, only supports DisplayPort. However the GT 450 does not support DisplayPort, so I am unable to currently use my FreeBSD system via graphics. However, I liked to use it via X11 because I make heavy use of Dia and other graphic tools to document my work. So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for the new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the recommendations useful. Thanks for listening, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 06:05:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C434F97C3 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x432.google.com (mail-pf1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYJYB21D4z3lmm for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x432.google.com with SMTP id o20so7636421pfu.0 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:05:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Czowf8xrL67JDyx1V5RC+aux8pYjffdpL1K1rgiThI4=; b=Twllo0/EydaDK0ObuQOIMQizNycejiEwzNTBh1nbvzZ9NpJ38+Mh4Dz4+kXIAhkZzu ptY1PbAGW++wbsJnk87fMZMYOqFJFedqxgbTV7ZUQAMTVpStARnIYUmwB55dJZzMOxbn +nGVgbf9HKe7IGFEvtPDDkT6k/8ngU0CQdfNmAYvHSZhHxa/uWNAr1PNDbiUrjOAiMjO /UceHv/38JP0DMOZVF/5K7rEYLSr3jL97ByPh7Lnd/hN6q6Hgg+sDY4c3liASZKiOF8n T2ipNUTHxBUktdTZ+NAevTbJ9XAGEdI8sKfHS1zZKEQxw6eDXbQikdGCPsz+O3jcxsTN mH2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Czowf8xrL67JDyx1V5RC+aux8pYjffdpL1K1rgiThI4=; b=IOtpAxlcSMqR+hwy/F3gUUK0zPgJp0dPtcy0Xenj/6Gis0y+DgHbMdsZjCXIJHhiOi uvse+j/NxONA7SV67TiezEjRYzd1oFDdiN4j3xhweAD8Ni3WO+Vcq+EpQlNcvVX7juL6 w0RFKW1FQuyV+A9knwxgXeakthvIyTroZQYBMbtX1Au/61BJ5//3d8Gw4oehb/8KW6aU ymWgxF21DWdiYzVK1zKmI9KXCApnk9pNPzJRIkDTZ2925kY3jvkZCDztrv71tKnzYirO bnKKudix7X0jw/Jr3DboQRdp77cOM914+IFKkWtcgESFWH591cIsSiIy793Fw/P9RrTc Qwyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ICtWcLhiIJbt+RJR7D3kr3cU8CkZdq04HpSKG98IhbEHgZ7gY L0xZsBr8H2mI3t0CP+7gOypdZ89RBoitBzlkkA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxAxG60ZY5uKs0ufGZFtgkwUMrEhUhq4T6MKdPWh1pf3RzIGfWNKq1snuTPGYEvNvIK73dpNQiChFWmTTMITMg= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8698:0:b029:1be:aef7:449d with SMTP id d24-20020aa786980000b02901beaef7449dmr12135067pfo.60.1612677932825; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:05:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 01:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Patrick Mahan Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYJYB21D4z3lmm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Twllo0/E; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::432 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::432:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::432:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::432:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 06:05:35 -0000 If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd personally recommend against using NVIDIA. You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. I had to buy an AMD based card instead of NVIDIA to offload the mp4 compressions requirements from the 6 camera streams I have going. Another thing to keep in mind is CUDA isn't available on FreeBSD. If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop machine otherwise. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 12:48 AM Patrick Mahan wrote: > This might be better suited for freebsd-hardware, but I thought I would > start here. > > I have an older system I built myself that has a GeForce GT 450. This > graphics card has served me well and through multiple FreeBSD upgrades. I > had it connected to my two displays using DVI-to-HDMI cables and everything > works great. But I am now transitioning to being a full-time telecommuter > for work. My work supplied system has a docking box that connects using > DisplayPort. My displays supported each, however, I have limited desktop > real estate, so I was sent a modern KVM switch that, unfortunately, only > supports DisplayPort. However the GT 450 does not support DisplayPort, so > I am unable to currently use my FreeBSD system via graphics. However, I > liked to use it via X11 because I make heavy use of Dia and other graphic > tools to document my work. > > So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I > thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for the > new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the > recommendations useful. > > Thanks for listening, > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 06:34:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94CC4F9D7A for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plmahan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12b.google.com (mail-lf1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYKB76FjBz3mWf for ; 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Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:34:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Patrick Mahan Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:33:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Paul Procacci Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYKB76FjBz3mWf X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=digRvDIr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of plmahan@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=plmahan@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 06:34:08 -0000 On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:05 PM Paul Procacci wrote: > If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd > personally recommend against using NVIDIA. > You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. > > I've been a Nvidia user for a long time. I haven't had a need to look for other cards. > I had to buy an AMD based card instead of NVIDIA to offload the mp4 > compressions requirements from the 6 camera streams I have going. > Another thing to keep in mind is CUDA isn't available on FreeBSD. > > No, I don't need to decompress video nor do I need CUDA. My heaviest usage will be working with Blender and needing to render various items. So far the Nvidia GeForce line has been my goto. I just now need to replace the existing card and it must be able to drive two DisplayPort monitors. Thanks for the clarification. Patrick > If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me > entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. > I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop > machine otherwise. > > ~Paul > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 12:48 AM Patrick Mahan wrote: > >> This might be better suited for freebsd-hardware, but I thought I would >> start here. >> >> I have an older system I built myself that has a GeForce GT 450. This >> graphics card has served me well and through multiple FreeBSD upgrades. I >> had it connected to my two displays using DVI-to-HDMI cables and >> everything >> works great. But I am now transitioning to being a full-time telecommuter >> for work. My work supplied system has a docking box that connects using >> DisplayPort. My displays supported each, however, I have limited desktop >> real estate, so I was sent a modern KVM switch that, unfortunately, only >> supports DisplayPort. However the GT 450 does not support DisplayPort, so >> I am unable to currently use my FreeBSD system via graphics. However, I >> liked to use it via X11 because I make heavy use of Dia and other graphic >> tools to document my work. >> >> So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I >> thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for >> the >> new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the >> recommendations useful. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> >> Patrick >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 06:48:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1407A4FAA64 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYKV912HJz3nb5 for ; 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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:05 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd > personally recommend against using NVIDIA. > You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. > Why do some people (not you per se but "people" in general) assume that nVidia is no good for anything beyond just the most basic stuff on FreeBSD... I have a GT1030 (no DisplayPort) that works just fine on the most demanding loads I can throw at it like playing movies at the maximum hardware specified frame rate and resolution (2160x1440@30 FPS [according to the HW specs this is the max a GT 1030 can do on HDMI]). Note I have heard reports from people with more modern cards that there is zero difference between what the HW can do and what the OS allows it to do with *ANY* nVidia cards. If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me > entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. > I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop machine > otherwise. > Since your comments about nVidia are incorrect why mention it except to show your personal dislike for nVidia (not actual performance). -- Aryeh M. 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I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu offloading of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. It's simply not possible. Full stop. So if Patrick wanted to use these functions, he would absolutely need to instead consider AMD. That's it! Nothing more. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:48 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > DO NOT TOP POST! > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:05 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd >> personally recommend against using NVIDIA. >> You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. >> > > Why do some people (not you per se but "people" in general) assume that > nVidia is no good for anything beyond just the most basic stuff on > FreeBSD... I have a GT1030 (no DisplayPort) that works just fine on the > most demanding loads I can throw at it like playing movies at the maximum > hardware specified frame rate and resolution (2160x1440@30 FPS [according > to the HW specs this is the max a GT 1030 can do on HDMI]). Note I have > heard reports from people with more modern cards that there is zero > difference between what the HW can do and what the OS allows it to do with > *ANY* nVidia cards. > > If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me >> entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. >> I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop >> machine >> otherwise. >> > > Since your comments about nVidia are incorrect why mention it except to > show your personal dislike for nVidia (not actual performance). > > > -- > Aryeh M. 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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. > There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu offloading > of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. > It's simply not possible. Full stop. > Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses how to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of the X server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some features may not be available." "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended for use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as VNC or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." >From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." -- Aryeh M. 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The necessary bits to run anything related to CUDA _are missing from_ FreeBSD's native nvidia blob. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:07 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Again DO NOT TOP POST! > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. >> There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu offloading >> of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. >> It's simply not possible. Full stop. >> > > Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses how > to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: > > "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, > requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of > the X > server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some features > may not be available." > > "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any > mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended for > use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as > VNC > or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." > > From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): > > "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. > Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was > dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation > code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." > > -- > Aryeh M. 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There is limited CUDA support w/in the linux emulation layer for nvidia/cuda, but the native nvidia blob for FreeBSD hasn't had this support for well over the ~20 years (or more) I've been using FreeBSD. That's an important distinction. Also, it's maybe true that they've added support within the past year to the native blob, but when I was building my machine not than a year ago, it wasn't there. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > It's not incorrect. The necessary bits to run anything related to CUDA > _are missing from_ FreeBSD's native nvidia blob. > > ~Paul > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:07 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > >> Again DO NOT TOP POST! >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. >>> There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu >>> offloading of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. >>> It's simply not possible. Full stop. >>> >> >> Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses >> how to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: >> >> "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, >> requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of >> the X >> server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some >> features >> may not be available." >> >> "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any >> mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended >> for >> use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as >> VNC >> or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." >> >> From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): >> >> "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. >> Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was >> dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation >> code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. 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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > It's not incorrect. The necessary bits to run anything related to CUDA > _are missing from_ FreeBSD's native nvidia blob. > You said "FreeBSD" does not support CUDA with *ANY* variation of the nvidia driver since it does support it with Linux emulation then it does in fact support it. Who gives a flying if it is native or not it is still possible and that's all that matters. What a strawman. > > ~Paul > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:07 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > >> Again DO NOT TOP POST! >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. >>> There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu >>> offloading of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. >>> It's simply not possible. Full stop. >>> >> >> Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses >> how to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: >> >> "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, >> requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of >> the X >> server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some >> features >> may not be available." >> >> "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any >> mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended >> for >> use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as >> VNC >> or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." >> >> From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): >> >> "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. >> Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was >> dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation >> code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 07:21:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707F84FBE1A for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYLDY3SFLz3q5C for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id q5so9898865ilc.10 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:21:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JMUUYgsiE/8Vp4n++hHn21cw9C+9z+PKyUTiCptsfEg=; b=c9pliHdTWdfGaBM1DdCy1qoqqRAlrRvj1v+tTbavL7UI5RhRzRmlItb4RS7/YXzRK4 3a1eR+LPHLKa84NDKtKLIydyK7FGyb/ROKZU8gHuzSvbO21Om+kwcIiLU1q4LeScgPAu 8JqDIW8TtGKqw89pOb0PSL/dP78qTJxjTaWW8bsZpc/l7jkv6C3Yg2avOJCB5Zh22CA+ 3dHEMUvHRyDZwMrNMP+HKMQM01RK7x52f5qzVij/7rgGfJp831wxbjbo36jAHnkaGbOg 7cpycACmFgiP/qL1BIDxDELoVzb0q5CF6RNIjd6tmn1hj7teZ2IFU3cOUZIQ9iTSmOTm m16Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JMUUYgsiE/8Vp4n++hHn21cw9C+9z+PKyUTiCptsfEg=; b=GKByIPp+3xnCNM642KS832rcarMtAty1Hc+SuN7BDXAkrEgdjGN3ZsFyT4qA4707w+ rzQ0gdX/FyxIsym4W7iagQtsA5qqif3yT0rBNqwzD7vnXsexNK69QTkHHDXijWDuTgUP aa6tkpc6nhL6hHmcEHYxYXFYfrwu9vbpkayV0rUYa5HST5lz4BMp8gTkXil22Q14Cd9V v8PyvntivCByi4pfdia7WwryS7Aw6oz8ibDRSTLgj62ud3U7/X4kmTIH/Rd28XF2kRYF EZQ1VFXKOc1z10HLHoLZG9fOGMr+qdZM2tIjZ6sb/avM3EuNOpksqLnDKGeDUF/E+oeh 4VdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531axXn8O0A9/DQlr+pHfOseB+6c1Qd5SoIbevKo8//xBIXyxskq F6t48sSiSJ+uzAQSIwoXw36xkyy/Tz6YeglTJrY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzsuO79BlDrf2v0B4q9sdYyfprHLc+2mkd4l0ovQuwOIX6OXVw+B8ImOjD2cg603lZczgnAfi87ntETQhQb0wU= X-Received: by 2002:a92:6a08:: with SMTP id f8mr139845ilc.119.1612682476347; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:21:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 02:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Paul Procacci Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYLDY3SFLz3q5C X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=c9pliHdT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.59 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.59)[-0.594]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:21:18 -0000 On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:17 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > > Also, it's maybe true that they've added support within the past year to > the native blob, but when I was building my machine not than a year ago, it > wasn't there. > The relevant documentation I was quoting from was from nvidia-driver-390 which came out Jan. 18th 2018. So it very much did support it as of that release and I remember seeing mentions of it in earlier driver versions also. -- Aryeh M. 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If you don't like it, you're free to not respond and ignore my messages. If you can't follow, that's on you. No, the support with linux emulation is extremely limited. It's not usable in the least. If you plan on using CUDA, use Linux. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:21 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:17 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> >> Also, it's maybe true that they've added support within the past year to >> the native blob, but when I was building my machine not than a year ago, it >> wasn't there. >> > > The relevant documentation I was quoting from was from nvidia-driver-390 > which came out Jan. 18th 2018. So it very much did support it as of that > release and I remember seeing mentions of it in earlier driver versions > also. > > > -- > Aryeh M. 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If you don't like it, you're free to not respond and > ignore my messages. > If you can't follow, that's on you. > > No, the support with linux emulation is extremely limited. It's not > usable in the least. > If you plan on using CUDA, use Linux. > Name one such limitation because in 25+ years of using FreeBSD and linux emulation I have never found a serious difference between what can be done in emulation vs. what can be done on an actual linux host (except for cases where the program in question wanted a newer kernel then the one being emulated but since CUDA has been around for a while now this is a non-issue). I even found a few workarounds posted on the net on how to get the nVidia driver to support CUDA natively (none of them official but they still exist). So I will ask again if it can be made to work in any way at all (even if a told hack) then it is incorrect to say CUDA is not possible with nVidia on FreeBSD (yes very hard but not impossible). -- Aryeh M. 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It never worked right. Ok, that's actually an overstatement. It worked sometimes. Compile something simple w/ nvcc and if it was simple enough, sure it would work. Try something a bit more complex, you were sh*t out of luck. Tell ya what, I still have my GTX in my machine doing nothing: # pciconf -vl | fgrep -iA 2 -B 1 GTX vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GM206 [GeForce GTX 950]' class = display subclass = VGA I'll go through the motions of getting the GPU offloading w/ the emulation layer working and if it does, I'll eat my words. ;) ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:46 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:27 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> I post how I like. If you don't like it, you're free to not respond and >> ignore my messages. >> If you can't follow, that's on you. >> >> No, the support with linux emulation is extremely limited. It's not >> usable in the least. >> If you plan on using CUDA, use Linux. >> > > Name one such limitation because in 25+ years of using FreeBSD and linux > emulation I have never found a serious difference between what can be done > in emulation vs. what can be done on an actual linux host (except for cases > where the program in question wanted a newer kernel then the one being > emulated but since CUDA has been around for a while now this is a > non-issue). I even found a few workarounds posted on the net on how to > get the nVidia driver to support CUDA natively (none of them official but > they still exist). So I will ask again if it can be made to work in any > way at all (even if a told hack) then it is incorrect to say CUDA is not > possible with nVidia on FreeBSD (yes very hard but not impossible). > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 14:14:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A407E52DB2A for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYWPm68ptz4gLh for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 117EEpeQ090833 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:14:51 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) From: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Re: Historical FreeBSD ISOs ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210120070927.GA16090@vagabond> <20210120073310.08a3bbe762ffea29c1091cb7@sohara.org> <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> Message-ID: <6f061d7c-6a22-fb1c-e93e-3cb438a9ab94@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:15:43 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYWPm68ptz4gLh X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 14:14:53 -0000 On 20/01/2021 07:38, Pierre DAVID wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 07:33:10AM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:09:27 +0100 >> Pierre DAVID wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for a study, I need ISO images for historical versions of FreeBSD, >>> such as 3.5-RELEASE, 4.11-RELEASE, and so on (i386 and/or amd64). >>> >>> I searched on ftp.freebsd.org, but the oldest one is 11.2-RELEASE. >> >>     Look here - it goes back to 1.0. >> >> http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ >> >> -- Steve O'Hara-Smith >> > On a related note, what's the definitive source for old source code? svn.freebsd.org/base/releng is patchy (especially with respect tor 3.x); /release will do for some of the gaps for my purposes, but some are missed out frmo there too (1.x for example). I can't find the source on the ftp-archive you've just mentioned, except as tarballs on the release media That's a lot of tar -x to get a working copy and seems somehow wrong, although the release process wasn't consistent . Someone, somewhere must have a complete set of sources in once place?!? Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 15:58:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1A753030B for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x635.google.com (mail-ej1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYYhr6Dstz4mJq for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x635.google.com with SMTP id b9so20728749ejy.12 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:58:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XvK5Rm/5EVs94r12FGRh4B0VwQk8PaCFbcbFHZcYc1c=; b=b8eFH3ARaMMNzdBgDbJyOIUuqavDidk+H+cGloRktJhgmhBkrRZrouUV5t0E/spi1u kqb+wj/mpszc4eZU5LORRUpBtYTUnEloA1dhlUaABRa/lUu+fqJQw/R28IgUSiNWtijS sLZGpHwBB+HSm6Cv4EnncfxGeqy/3l7foJe6kG7uBYP3uyXtqYS+2zgq+JscKY1+d/zh CiP+rbjvQC7EUP0VBl/sItJN7GCnIG2ltVodNEB0rv0+mSVHmVAn90RHbf+JrHb3zUYE KixbqdfU7IejGJm3C72z5KbDzanhHBkudzVpfpw+3uoj/z92r7yNhPBDFYtzai1bDLCG zTJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XvK5Rm/5EVs94r12FGRh4B0VwQk8PaCFbcbFHZcYc1c=; b=oEw89tmXaZTcQg4XRSuVBrh5dSPuskfEWRTLL9TBb2itpttTKNFSLkCtsbhPnnZqAH OJVfT95HqHh30ETxnnYC7rTcqbPEP5FvsHC78dR+7iJIuuEIvvhPW9Pezj6+INlGYO59 2TjkjNNU9cVe2+LSm52p74ch7xi+FXq6sg0ETGcKTDp3bJLbpMFWJoxhVRc6YYOKUNxc 14XjnQLwe0CUDXJMnOP1NugN+fu8EnqDBvJ+tC8XdytdusRoXFoGSIRkDMg0NA6nLndN bC9yX+5Rm8/Nv2i1ewCwS5JCIDwoqGZy0nLrutcuDPjsxvS9QwsCuf8euF/Ps0JAcWib 0C5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530c7JqIUiKAg+avbQrsbf+A+ml2gt879rFaIJZQJTy97/2eNO5O uaeRkjMyKljnl4ClFMtJs26GVIU3BAz1dQyvXcF78Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx7H6cmjcsqzJrDHKjhcOWH/IS0w+b6fSkW2hpxpff6S40DLbXyC3VNoLZMGIHq9YUSMrnmJOjrg+TsbLIcRX8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2f07:: with SMTP id v7mr13045197eji.343.1612713483077; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Patrick Mahan Cc: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYYhr6Dstz4mJq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=b8eFH3AR; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::635) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::635:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::635:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::635:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 15:58:05 -0000 On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 6:48 AM Patrick Mahan wrote: > So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I > thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for the > new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the > recommendations useful. Some time ago I have switched to GF1030 because it was silent (no fan) and low power (30W) and for display it was enough. However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or similar then forget nVidia. After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia does not. On the other hand the graphics stack destruction that comes from Linux KMS/DRM also impacts FreeBSD and it turns out that you neither can use OpenCL nor even stable efficient graphics because RX580 driver crashes my workstation. And since the time I have purchased RX580 until now its price went over 50% down and still I have no use of this card on FreeBSD :-( In this situation GF1030 seems inexpensive and reasonable solution. At least it works. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 16:16:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B603530B88 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYZ633t54z4n3j for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBBAF4E698; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 10:16:20 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 10:16:19 -0600 Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <689BA65A-1E05-43C3-9154-93689B187FAB@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: To: Tomasz CEDRO X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYZ633t54z4n3j X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 16:16:28 -0000 > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 6:48 AM Patrick Mahan = wrote: >> So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other = groups, I >> thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations = for the >> new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the >> recommendations useful. >=20 > Some time ago I have switched to GF1030 because it was silent (no fan) > and low power (30W) and for display it was enough. >=20 > However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so > you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob > driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or > similar then forget nVidia. And it has been so at least for as long as I dare to remember which is = some 20 years. > After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to > AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia > does not. >=20 And during all that 20 years AMD always was my savior=E2=80=A6 I second = what you say. Also, NVIDIA obsoletes hardware that is still decent, = which is another source of pain in you know where. Valeri > On the other hand the graphics stack destruction that comes from Linux > KMS/DRM also impacts FreeBSD and it turns out that you neither can use > OpenCL nor even stable efficient graphics because RX580 driver crashes > my workstation. And since the time I have purchased RX580 until now > its price went over 50% down and still I have no use of this card on > FreeBSD :-( >=20 > In this situation GF1030 seems inexpensive and reasonable solution. At > least it works. >=20 > --=20 > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 16:36:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB03531417 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYZXl1HFJz4p7y for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id hs11so20982583ejc.1 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M8CYyUihlQ1Mq5F6S0+4We8GEoGkHUse8brsGxLMFes=; b=DO5ivj7+lFKf2VsWwxxdscy99IIrdQQOwnAxqYQlDhRviIcyWoSCPLe8o4fWOIoyLw VZmrxHIjmR22ieIggnmtHO4disug6XCiARe49blTBeQy0S5WmyBTszoSzkAx4z2uKgGT imknTFuY9GgYSoD185IDa/Mn6JavsT/0Wgdhdk0uMECxHeDOkspo4LLuq+q+YWkAJXap VmxTU7o7MMON+ZuufIJetyd2uWf2U7D1aCYpDxeC+R2dG2EP2faKM1uirVjH39RDBKWp UJTysQ/1CNvRKb9ScKt2fbpgPVz3dgXmN5sn8GKAsaWWWm4ajKomeBKvFG/iTDjAk1Nb /k/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M8CYyUihlQ1Mq5F6S0+4We8GEoGkHUse8brsGxLMFes=; b=LxGWx5anZ2A7WthZp84R8rc1WF9jEj2VECbo22CY0+MtZhbstD7fxzcomjy/zpLuZL FIW0s/OK0AF3XRv8E6Dho+yDorBk3PGefvyJOURTLpPOm56SVdBQZdiiXYFVJYJpCcJf D0O+A++/EslVv+QONyk4W0j5QnI72iei1PU+7sEHLcxzy18A8G0zQtNajs7qp+w47XNy CpRKMUPwmcpxyThOLSJrpSMFaactqXklIyxmc8kz2dw09dsGHARH5ZTRaVt2c8L6EXRZ vr6PU1X5olNysszsBWt5D/uvDcE0wZ11pKW3mO5VKqso6BFyTHzkHwOO6DP1qFpUKBqp 318Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531MXfhjsNKKJMX7LF3Fo/aXGeabyE86EmVo4eKbPw7EavB535Zm qD+M0rHX8GTODZAg0uxEkP7kDnCxLccN0yAU/9m6nA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxHRhV4eDyZFEdUUgdtDvD1N1dfEig1ELEb93fMxqGtC4/ARqpPLOz0E2nz+GCOd6MgRgt1f8O5LSinvEH1fmI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:a00e:: with SMTP id p14mr13419755ejy.532.1612715765188; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <689BA65A-1E05-43C3-9154-93689B187FAB@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <689BA65A-1E05-43C3-9154-93689B187FAB@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:35:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYZXl1HFJz4p7y X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=DO5ivj7+; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::62b) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.10)[-0.095]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 16:36:07 -0000 On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 5:16 PM Valeri Galtsev w= rote: > And during all that 20 years AMD always was my savior=E2=80=A6 I second w= hat you say. Also, NVIDIA obsoletes hardware that is still decent, which is= another source of pain in you know where. I noticed Intel does the same with their integrated graphic adapters on windoze 10.. you cannot find working drivers anymore for a decent machines because they are too old.. what a crap :-) :-) :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 19:23:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E315347CD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYfFK4gzsz3FVh for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Historical FreeBSD ISOs ? 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Why would you think someone would? I'd guess what is available on the = ftp represents the best collection of what there is. --=20 Thanks to great leaders such as Ghengis Khan, Joan of Arc, and Socratic Method, the world is full of history. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 19:48:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774335353F4 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYfpQ0QJ5z3HGg for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.112.240]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MzQTm-1m47UB1U1Y-00vLiC; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 20:48:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:48:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 Message-Id: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:oRxKVmu5BQ2Fy29PXKYo5LWkugwDasRFjpUJGPleNV8fUPia3uF 6wll3PQ9CVRY8QsvM9P6hFNR+3l1QJpX8F3oiMmp6GkuCogseO91lXkVHI9SKiggA1KBq+5 RntZ4yOu2reIWj+V3lSuqSogOi1E+M2oKIjBBzbMDA5pVgeqTBjD68qDouP/JhrRZhCHTmN 43Vg+7bV/GP5P98VI7b9A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yyf7GIQsAIA=:pvw+mMCEMqauYX/D3fjHDu WxNX9sPNVHOYv6VsZbK/vCaVxSIYwaMLf9xZC5CrAoNyEa9KbM3HlfhguqjPUFsb2hwxWVmfz jU5gYfE3Wlbx1wJ91zAatUBmAJ7wLLATbSw7GyhwDJCDOdD8sd8KnDbUj56jQAzwpKRRgb9DJ zGdLs2cMp+HqmP9MG+rR9UWBpO2UDTxKtpRKZOryCx3TeouCWN4HKCSdVsMnR0+tOBI30AGBl yA3lqZ80tLuKXRORqT/e2ghqPdkONvVzDPodUHcpsjCKtE5g3PMKAadwowsBksy+T2xLMfufd DFJBjgtryLQayUArIHoTRMSdc+Hsj/JVDFrb+ngbJ0z/Mh+nhLZ4PMDXQiHaRqW2s1iHLAP/w z+parxFQevg9uN2VvgZ4a4Qz9fxw2Hx7V3rPU/qYriMNMNzxUIZvYR5lrTB/R X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYfpQ0QJ5z3HGg X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.24) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.45 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.112.240:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.932]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.987]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:48:15 -0000 On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so > you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob > driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or > similar then forget nVidia. That is also my individual experience with nVidia. While there are open source drivers, they're not as good as the binary ones supplied by nVidia, so if you expect 3D stuff to work (and most desktop environemnts today cannot work without them), you will have to use the original nVidia drivers, because neither "nv" nor "nouveau" would provide more functionality and performance than "vesa" (as "lowest common denominator") would. > After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to > AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia > does not. In the past, ATi had excellent open source support for all the features of the graphics card, and there was one (!) driver that supported them (named "ati"). Worked out of the box, no further fiddling with xorg.conf options or XML files... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 20:27:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC0B536887 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYggw6Gxlz3KtR for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D66A94E698; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:27:39 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:27:37 -0600 Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , Patrick Mahan , User Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D6F7A44-AEB9-418E-A0D1-3C77A4C1FD78@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYggw6Gxlz3KtR X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[cedro.info,gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 20:27:42 -0000 > On Feb 7, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so >> you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob >> driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or >> similar then forget nVidia. >=20 > That is also my individual experience with nVidia. While there > are open source drivers, they're not as good as the binary ones > supplied by nVidia, so if you expect 3D stuff to work (and most > desktop environemnts today cannot work without them), you will > have to use the original nVidia drivers, because neither "nv" > nor "nouveau" would provide more functionality and performance > than "vesa" (as "lowest common denominator") would. There is reason for that. Nvidia does not disclose much of chip = internals (like memory layout etc), so to write decent open source = driver is not possible, hence only generic functions are supported by = open source nv driver. Anything a step off usual, say dual screen with = different screen resolutions - quite often thing in the Department I = support - is not possible. You have to install Nvidia proprietary binary = driver (I often correct those who say =E2=80=9Ccompile nvidia driver=E2=80= =9D. Nope! What one is compiling is interface between proprietary binary = driver and specific kernel). >> After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to >> AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia >> does not. >=20 > In the past, ATi had excellent open source support for all the > features of the graphics card, and there was one (!) driver that > supported them (named "ati"). Worked out of the box, no further > fiddling with xorg.conf options or XML files... :-) Same observation here. ATI chip internals were decently described by = manufacturer in their documentation, so open source driver developers = can write excellent drivers supporting pretty much all capabilities of = the chip[set]. Such were my observations for a couple of decades, even = after AMD bought ATI. Someone, correct me if you noticed things changed, = which I hope they didn=E2=80=99t. Valeri > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 13:11:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AE652C3C9 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYV0t02hzz4cPq for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 117DBeg4076448 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:40 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Historical FreeBSD ISOs ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210120070927.GA16090@vagabond> <20210120073310.08a3bbe762ffea29c1091cb7@sohara.org> <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <56591189-eea9-917b-e892-785d46a0b169@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:12:33 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYV0t02hzz4cPq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank2@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank2@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:19:13 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 13:11:42 -0000 On 20/01/2021 07:38, Pierre DAVID wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 07:33:10AM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:09:27 +0100 >> Pierre DAVID wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for a study, I need ISO images for historical versions of FreeBSD, >>> such as 3.5-RELEASE, 4.11-RELEASE, and so on (i386 and/or amd64). >>> >>> I searched on ftp.freebsd.org, but the oldest one is 11.2-RELEASE. >> >>     Look here - it goes back to 1.0. >> >> http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ >> >> -- >> Steve O'Hara-Smith >> > On a related note, what's the definitive source for old source code? svn.freebsd.org/base/releng is patchy (especially with respect tor 3.x); /release will do for some of the gaps for my purposes, but some are missed out frmo there too (1.x for example). I can't find the source on the ftp-archive you've just mentioned, except as tarballs on the release media That's a lot of tar -x to get a working copy and seems somehow wrong, although the release process wasn't consistent . Someone, somewhere must have a complete set of sources in once place?!? Thanks, Frank. 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Well, I try to make it working :-) These are non-open-source and will not provide support for FreeBSD. Last time I have asked Xilinx it was over 10 years ago. Lattice support told me they will not release for FreeBSD. So I have to use Linux stuff. Xilinx has their installer weighting over 40GB, and after installation it is even bigger, a mix of Python Java and all sorts of stuff, dynaimc libraries and all dependencies included. Xilinx Vivado hangs at Java (11.0.2) loading GUI but nothing shows up except all my system resources are consumed. I have to use kill -9 to get rid of that guy. After several experiments with that Linuxlator (64-bit) I also noticed that MC (native FreeBSD's Midnight Commander) hangs on start. This does not happen before I start this Xilinx-Python-Java-Linux monster. I guess system runs out of some resource. There is a bit of free physical RAM and 20GB of swap. All CPU is consumed 100%. What other resources may have impact here? Any hints welcome :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 21:43:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B34E53A680 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYjMW4fzcz3htD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 66cb8079; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1aa280ba; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ac969044; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 7c823237 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:43:29 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 Message-ID: <20210207164329.3f0df00c@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYjMW4fzcz3htD X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:43:37 -0000 On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:48:10 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so > > you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob > > driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or > > similar then forget nVidia. >=20 > That is also my individual experience with nVidia. While there > are open source drivers, they're not as good as the binary ones > supplied by nVidia, so if you expect 3D stuff to work (and most > desktop environemnts today cannot work without them), you will > have to use the original nVidia drivers, because neither "nv" > nor "nouveau" would provide more functionality and performance > than "vesa" (as "lowest common denominator") would. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to > > AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while > > nVidia does not. >=20 > In the past, ATi had excellent open source support for all the > features of the graphics card, and there was one (!) driver that > supported them (named "ati"). Worked out of the box, no further > fiddling with xorg.conf options or XML files... :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 How is Intel support. I am looking for one old(er) computer and it has Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200 and another Intel HD Graphics 640. 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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:52:03 -0000 On 07.02.2021 22:43, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > How is Intel support. I am looking for one old(er) computer and it has > Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200 and another Intel HD Graphics 640. Are > they okay for Blender and FreeCAD, please? > Thank you. 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Having said that, the trailing dot after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? 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Having said that, the trailing dot > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? yes here's a longer quote: ------- begin ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:22 $ sudo make DESTDIR=/mnt install clean ===> Creating some important subdirectories ===> Starting chrooted make in /mnt... ===> drm-devel-kmod-5.4.92.g20210128_1 requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src. *** Error code 1 ------- end If yes, > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? > not that I know of: ------- begin ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:27:58 $ set | grep SRC ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:10 $ ------- end regards Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 10:25:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89C552C4FD for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZ2Gh6HtVz3G0q for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 118APMQq042122 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:25:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 118APMFp042121 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:25:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 12:25:21 +0200 Message-ID: <2672269.iL6vRArjjl@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZ2Gh6HtVz3G0q X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.27 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 10:25:34 -0000 On 2021 M02 8, Mon 09:01:26 EET Yuri Pankov wrote: > Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi, > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as /usr/src > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > running > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > uname: > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > amd64 > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? No. I don't how it happens but /usr/src/sys broken after system update # ls -al src.old/sys total 4 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 . drwxr-xr-x 26 root wheel 1024 Feb 6 11:02 .. dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 class dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 dev dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 devices dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 kernel Trying to reproduce it during the next system update > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 10:49:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6C452D5CB for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@yuripv.dev) Received: from new4-smtp.messagingengine.com (new4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZ2pY6VGjz3HZb for ; 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Mon, 8 Feb 2021 05:49:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src To: Michael Schuster Cc: freeBSD Mailing List References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 13:49:38 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZ2pY6VGjz3HZb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=AKXkUEGf; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=te3MLA9u; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 66.111.4.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; 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Having said that, the trailing dot >> after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there >> in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? > > > yes > > here's a longer quote: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:22 $ sudo make DESTDIR=/mnt install > clean > ===> Creating some important subdirectories > ===> Starting chrooted make in /mnt... > ===> drm-devel-kmod-5.4.92.g20210128_1 requires kernel source files in > SRC_BASE=/usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > ------- end > > If yes, >> check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? >> > > not that I know of: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:27:58 $ set | grep SRC > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:10 $ > ------- end Yep, '.' comes as a part of full message, sorry for the noise. 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(tried 0 configs) - 12.1-RELEASE-p7 To: Paul Procacci Thanks Paul, yes this is a Digital Ocean VM. Odd as i don't get the problem on my other VMs with DO. Appreciate the pointer, i'll look into cloud-init for issues. Best Regards, unixdude On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 7:07 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > The error message isn't found in the FreeBSD source code hence I'd > question this being a FreeBSD bug. > > cloud-init? > > ~Paul > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:31 PM UNIX Dude wrote: > >> Greetings >> >> I have an odd problem which I have not come across before, and does not >> occur on other systems with the same configuration in /etc/rc.conf >> >> Upon boot I receive the following message in /var/log/messages: >> >> Jan 29 06:59:30 db-1 kernel: WARN: no logging configured! (tried 0 >> configs) >> Jan 29 06:59:36 db-1 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> >> I have checked all the correct files exist (such as /etc/syslog.conf) and >> also tried using known good config files from other installs where the >> message does not appear. I have also checked to make sure there are no >> strange permissions set on all relevant files. >> >> db-1# ps axu|grep syslogd >> root 38104 0.0 0.1 11352 2728 - Ss Fri06 0:11.19 >> /usr/sbin/syslogd -ss >> >> /etc/rc.conf option: >> >> syslogd_flags="-ss" >> >> I was wondering if anyone is able to shed any light on this issue as I did >> not have much luck searching for other users with the same / similar >> problem. >> >> Thanks >> unixdude >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 15:29:44 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352F2536DD6 for ; 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It is based on QT4 so it was removed from ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - why don't we run macOS binaries??? These are also ELF, macOS uses lots of FreeBSD stuff, and the packages are self contained with all libraries, so it should be even easier than running Linux stuff (that always has some dependency issues like I am experiencing right now running closed-source FPGA toolchains). Did anyone consider running macOS programs on FreeBSD? Do you know how good it would be to run macOS quality software on FreeBSD and not really depend on Linux alternatives? :-) Hints and comments are welcome :-) Tomek [1] https://github.com/Qucs/ -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 15:54:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E856B537A98 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZ9Z45zT1z4R23 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1612799661; x=1615391661; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=9HI1Jl+mqjh0Yle0j9NPlSAmRNFkXg0U2ymmE9IjqeU=; b=FV+eGHSxHTA8Bk4PZLlk0Zjj/jQBkRKuWHIqwF+AFukX5akgVJ03cBI/viUL6sCdm2y298QWRY3TqGDxnHa7IpXvG23yTtLmtZT2EZmBS+BIF49U0MYc36Q1KqWRgNE2R9+NN1A9/dD/tkbSSZuxUFK/Piu0/W8QZh/RHY4y93k= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZDAwMDI3NTEwNjIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:54:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:54:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1l98ra-000MeE-4E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 15:54:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:54:09 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [maqulator] FreeBSD running macOS binaries :-) Message-Id: <20210208155409.e297a2e43748f79c150df46f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZ9Z45zT1z4R23 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=FV+eGHSx; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 15:54:22 -0000 On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:29:34 +0100 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > Hello world :-) > > There is a nice QUCS [1] electronics simulation program (SPICE with GUI > that works out of thebox). It is based on QT4 so it was removed from > ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. > > The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - why > don't we run macOS binaries??? I believe the main problems will be anything that depends on Aqua and other proprietary Apple interfaces or directly uses the Mach kernel interface. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 16:40:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C2F538ECD for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZBbc4C3Pz4TnG for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 118GeeKM043486 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:40:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 118GeeOF043485 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:40:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 18:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: <5583583.Zv9zXsTiuT@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZBbc4C3Pz4TnG X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:40:46 -0000 On 2021 M02 8, Mon 11:32:30 EET Michael Schuster wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 8:01 AM Yuri Pankov wrote: > > Michael Schuster wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as > > > /usr/src > > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > > > running > > > > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > > > uname: > > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > > > amd64 > > > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? > > yes > > here's a longer quote: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:22 $ sudo make DESTDIR=/mnt install > clean > ===> Creating some important subdirectories > ===> Starting chrooted make in /mnt... > ===> drm-devel-kmod-5.4.92.g20210128_1 requires kernel source files in > SRC_BASE=/usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > ------- end > > If yes, > > > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? > > not that I know of: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:27:58 $ set | grep SRC > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:10 $ > ------- end Michael, Could you please run ls -dli /usr/src/sys ? Mine is # ls -dli /usr/src/sys 2 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 18:37 /usr/src/sys Please note inode number 2 and the size of directory Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 17:08:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1A353A1A2 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZCCL4KlVz4X6w for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 118H8Ao3043584 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:08:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 118H8AUv043583 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:08:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 19:08:10 +0200 Message-ID: <2281312.bDOn7JOVgO@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZCCL4KlVz4X6w X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.49 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.210]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 17:08:15 -0000 On 2021 M02 8, Mon 09:01:26 EET Yuri Pankov wrote: > Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi, > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as /usr/src > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > running > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > uname: > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > amd64 > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? It is a bug in /etc/rc.d/linux script linux_start() { local _emul_path _tmpdir _emul_path="$(sysctl -n compat.linux.emul_path)" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Attempt to use of "sysctl -n compat.linux.emul_path" value when it is not available because we are loading 'linux64.ko' later. It means that _emul_path contains empty data. load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in amd64) load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actual load of linux64 kernel module ................................. and later.. if checkyesno linux_mounts_enable; then mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _emul_path is empty so it will run mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "/sys" while # ls -dl /sys lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 Jun 4 2018 /sys -> usr/src/sys symlink to /usr/src/sys It will effectively hide actual content of /usr/src/sys if you have linux_enable="YES", causing build failure of any port with kernel modules. 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