From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 19 22:17:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857441065672; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1065E8FC19; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghbz22 with SMTP id z22so5967772ghb.13 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:17:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZVP6BLzbGPrS+c8i/WwZ/Rcvp34fZeUgqEhz1Ytzm+4=; b=gkTLw1fmrVpFq0m8qcz2H7uEvTJDZfsNMHXdlMX4Bm8tKPzk755dsEhgFUrQZwyQWg 731bvkSKKOSeN+TM5cCC2N9yspqKhzeLFriEBy+AX/KMv9CIVWlX2ziA606tyQUmm7Qb M54ePqo8Toi05OT0vdQ4JTHyym8uXPLHUPR1w8iNGlplScIiM7MwkFcisS74tlRgETCW RCYWXkiSd9Bf/lmhBGi2ALhgSHMNF+y4b1qRCOlmAlDajoxOgRcuPRCqdR2n3UnrrCd+ 4cHs6PgkLiU2eYg20hl9Iq4fUj9JfcZN3ozcBGb7x+WgRCA/3+gQquHapnDHc4v/3Acf WpgQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.172.209 with SMTP id be17mr3832830oec.16.1340144265101; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.98.77 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:17:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FE0F773.1080403@gentoo.org> References: <20120615124849.GI96212@ass.kameli.org> <20120618081140.GK96212@ass.kameli.org> <4FDF6177.5050608@unsane.co.uk> <4FDF6586.9060501@gentoo.org> <4FDFB166.2040709@FreeBSD.org> <4FDFB44D.9090308@gentoo.org> <4FE0ADCD.9010109@FreeBSD.org> <4FE0C123.8030301@gentoo.org> <4FE0F773.1080403@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:17:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Garrett Cooper To: Richard Yao Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Doug Barton , "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org" , Vincent Hoffman , Nathan Whitehorn , Outback Dingo , openrc@gentoo.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Atte_Peltom=E4ki?= Subject: Re: Replacing rc(8) (Was: FreeBSD Boot Times) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:17:46 -0000 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Richard Yao wrote: > On 06/19/2012 04:12 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >>> On 06/19/2012 12:50 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On 6/18/2012 4:05 PM, Richard Yao wrote: >>>>> Doug, we already have OpenRC implemented. You can install Gentoo Free= BSD >>>>> in a jail, install regular FreeBSD in another jail and do your own >>>>> performance comparisons. >>>> >>>> Bzzzzzzzzt! Thanks for playing. :) =A0You're the one proposing the cha= nge, >>>> YOU get to do the performance comparisons. If you want a rough idea of >>>> what I personally would consider to be a robust test, don't hesitate t= o >>>> ask. I'm sure others would have ideas as well. >>> >>> Would you elaborate on what you consider to be a robust test? I really >>> have no idea. >> >> =A0 =A0 It might be an ok smoke test, but it's hardly a realistic >> test/comparison as the pseudo startup for a jail and a real system >> aren't close to being the same (this is in part because of how jails >> function). > > Would you elaborate on what you consider to be acceptable? Honestly, I > am not certain if you will appreciate any tests unless you do them yourse= lf. Change /etc/rc to use OpenRC in the base system. -Garrett