Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 20:11:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai <asmodai@wxs.nl> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: FreeBSD Advocacy <advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: PCWeek article by Anne Chen -- Comments Message-ID: <XFMail.990505201100.asmodai@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <199905051810.NAA25028@hostigos.otherwhen.com>
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On 05-May-99 Mike Avery wrote: > I don't think that if someone were to criticize FreeBSD technically > people would seriously tell them to "write your own OS". It's not > easy. And we know FreeBSD wasn't the product of one person in > their basement. Similarly, advocacy isn't a one person job. > > As a FreeBSD newbie, I probably should look more before speaking, > but advocacy and development require different skills. That isn't to > say one person can't have both, but most often they don't. It seems > that there should be a separate group handling publicity, evangalism, > advocacy, and so on. And the group should be more open than the > existing structure seems to be. Sorry if I am going to step on people's toes with this post and use a few french words every now and then, but I am getting fucking tired of this whole useless debate by now. It seems that the people with the biggest complaints are doing NOTHING about their situation in order to add something to the project. BULLSHIT about core picking on you and rejecting your ideas on forehand. Simply send-pr yer patches, suggestions etc and no-one can decline/reject them if they are technically sound or otherwise undeniably good. Core are not the only committers... Also, as a couple of people by now know (like Eivind, Jordan, Adrian, Mike, and a few others) I am a kernel hacker wannabe, yet I lack the skill(s) at this point to contribute majorly, so instead I focus on getting other things off the ground in order to enlargen my knowledge in order to contribute as soon as possible... Also I have been busy getting support for FreeBSD from a few companies as well as making FreeBSD a well known word wherever I have a chance... Also, speaking on advocacy and getting an income, just look at what Jim Mock & Robert Garrett managed to pull off in their _spare_ time for advocacy (http://advocacy.freebsd.org for the unaware). Advocacy can be done on multiple levels... So the argument that advocacy is a PR job is bullshit... PR only gets to suits... It's the techies and users one ultimately has to please and granted managers do have to be influenced, but then again, I have always `served' under a management that was reasonable for well explained decisions about OS implementations... So get off your fucking moaning/whining/bitching pedestal and CONTRIBUTE damnit... --- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The FreeBSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist <http://home.wxs.nl/~asmodai>; *BSD: Accept no limitations... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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