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Date:      Wed, 29 Oct 1997 14:12:29 +0000 (GMT)
From:      Mr M P Searle <csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
To:        kline@thought.org (Gary Kline)
Cc:        csubl@csv.warwick.ac.uk, jkh@time.cdrom.com, asami@cs.berkeley.edu, ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: 3.0-packages seem to be out of date.
Message-ID:  <199710291412.OAA09603@crocus.csv.warwick.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <199710290546.VAA24761@tao.thought.org> from Gary Kline at "Oct 28, 97 09:46:08 pm"

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> According to Mr M P Searle:
> > > 
> > > For the next release, it's going to be one of the 3 following choices
> > > for me:
> > > 
> > > 1. I take over the building of packages myself so that I have more control
> > >    over when/where/how the packages are built.
> > > 
> > > 2. This system of building packages is automated in a similar fashion
> > >    to the current.freebsd.org server so that some FTP site can simply
> > >    be mirrored by anyone wishing to build a CD (and as I'm not the only
> > >    person building CDs, this would probably be the most general solution).
> > > 
> > > 3. We stop distributing packages and distfiles on CD, doing just the
> > >    ports collection and letting folks use the net to grab packages
> > >    or distfiles.
> > 
> > Not everyone can do that though - it's a LOT easier installing xemacs from
> > a CD than over a modem... (it probably takes a while to compile on a slow
> > machine as well, although that isn't so much of a problem.)
> > 
> > > 
> > > The current system is no longer workable, I'm no longer willing to do
> > > things "the old way" - it's going to be one of these 3 options for 3.0
> > > / 2.2.6.
> > > 
> > > 					Jordan
> 
> 		What about a comprimise on #3; that any 
> 		binary/distfile in excess of 5MB be included
> 		on the CDROM?  Anything less than this can
> 		eaily be built by the port.  

I'd rather keep all the distfiles, just remove packages. Anything over 1MB
is difficult to get over a modem, and anything of any size is difficult to
get by floppy net. (I had suggested using a better compressor a while ago,
this was not done because of the large amount of CPU and memory used. Bzip2
is quite a lot faster than bzip and has a low-memory mode (using 2500k),
so you may want to have another look at this. Compared to other high
performance compressors, it is one of the fastest, and unpacking (of a
distfile anyway) has got to be much faster than the actual build.)

> 
> 		Whenever I find something in ports that I
> 		want, I download the portfile and a simple
> 		``make install'' does it all.  In a few 
> 		months the CDROM is passe... .
> 
> 		gary 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
>   Gary D. Kline         kline@tao.thought.org          Public service uNix
> 




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