From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Mar 28 7:19: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988B437C115 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E6C7197; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:18:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:18:57 -0800 From: Ron Rosson To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Onboard Intel NIC Message-ID: <20000328071857.A21087@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson References: <20000327152840.A8310@lunatic.oneinsane.net> <38E04C8F.3213BC43@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <38E04C8F.3213BC43@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Mon, Mar 27, 2000 at 11:09:19PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.4-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Crescent (45% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane2-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 7:04AM up 5 days, 8:57, 1 user, load averages: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Wes Peters was heard blurting out: > Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > > > > Ummm.... This is getting a little old. I am no programmer but read this > > list to get insight on what things may not work or what might work.. It > > has saved my BACKSIDE many times. I am also a user of ETinc hardware and > > am aware of Dennis. I am also like I said someone who does not code. So > > go FIX IT yourself attitude gets kinda old. It happens on #FreeBSD on > > efnet all too much. > > So you agree that you and Dennis have some legal and/or moral ground to > stand on in DEMANDING that I and others donate our own personal time to > you for free, simply because you're incapable of fixing something your- > self? > > This argument has NOT been about whether the fxp driver needs to be fixed, > but rather whether Dennis or anyone can DEMAND time from FreeBSD developers > as opposed to asking them politely or proposing some remuneration so they > can afford to dedicate time to an individual problem. > > I think my stance on this is pretty clear, but just in case you haven't > gotten the message, those of you who think you have some RIGHT to DEMAND > my time can stuff it. > I guess my wording was off a little. I guess the point I was tring to make was missed. It is the go fix it yourself attitude I guess that gets me sometimes in both the mailing lists and IRC. There is some people in the user base that can not code but are able to find issues on there systems and would like to share them with either of the forums mentioned. I guess the better answer than the "Go fix it yourself" would be "Please submit a PR". This way both the project and the party involved can track the progress. TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice on telephone to man seated at his computer: Thank you for calling the tech support hotline. If your computer becomes obsolete while you're holding, press 1 to reach our sales department. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message