From owner-svn-src-all@freebsd.org Sun Mar 10 15:39:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAF815375B3 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x831.google.com (mail-qt1-x831.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::831]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F8BF821BE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x831.google.com with SMTP id d16so2428403qtn.10 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nvJyhHZ/w78LGkLYjLVCVOHai19jxzMWylihSgBN7YY=; b=rkXuEZkfQDtzmn9A9mspu8kyD5oZPWCxZeScCe2ykctpXRzeDO3ZK5wilESR0XHyPF 1+VW53wjepYC0jxKvibIP134EPWkhCVTdWf1HjBj8aIuCscHCSSKSsLrVws/QFuOdMpm UdfdIGs1mGfNdTzYNdUFMCWL5XV1K14xWaFiADUpCTdYOP5lzFQ6jrxVEQRwM6fXTVJV bjjEjROYsd2VjlXRyVeJn1Y4+0TRllQn9e4YpGYyIugwrkOxduffygb3VJ1dazBY9DLO OI2bCz6ziFxiwBawTg65v6R//kzZWaDzvc7wW+mSUCuFbgSQR1pH6guX4H/m3kl7ND1d Y6Tw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nvJyhHZ/w78LGkLYjLVCVOHai19jxzMWylihSgBN7YY=; b=TmCSFmjsxl2dPvaAFh56OSOHSkHISRWKaktMrJwfnRQjJg1Fptd6OVUbfictmSIVSG Q2oMg0gmRWblqqydVL4e3uE/Dz34OIi/i0iXs6X3v2UueCC6+EH7wcWGSkL7344EToaR VE5GD8k8FZr/3DGTTVGhLfaJK+nFmbd5hZT/ghLCe//SzkTvv3F9rvu1eYYRFAWP3Knt Tm1NoYFh//rYZcHaLvYmM2kNzeepke0QmW+5fSET3NFWCLGTcOerMewvvwzv3YQEgeCp 7EkmlaeDi/PZf6hbgktPZla/Q40o3Y19OFWovUdvFi6d7iKJs0xdmXFbOpCoIweEZGm4 dr8A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX8N18/9BXEo5v9EV7rzwePYS/eOkc3KDfi7IG7HY6GAh93N2nA JB1wsACLjdLX/KR/qaTXG5N663tcPDTpCm5sXxuES9oM X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyCvY0gsUw/EAgr6EXeSTA6SSiwPp7s787rvkgzQ4i4a4iEpB2QoTUSJE850zrdqy596cj7au4/Okik+OrJh9k= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3616:: with SMTP id m22mr10807872qtb.15.1552232345621; Sun, 10 Mar 2019 08:39:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201903091717.x29HHjcc069618@repo.freebsd.org> <201903092000.x29K0Rf6002120@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <20190310150728.GA97029@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20190310150728.GA97029@FreeBSD.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 09:38:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: svn commit: r344970 - head To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Warner Losh , svn-src-head , svn-src-all , src-committers X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6F8BF821BE X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=rkXuEZkf X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[svn-src-all@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: ALT1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[1.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.93)[-0.930,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; IP_SCORE(-2.77)[ip: (-9.00), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.73), asn: 15169(-2.06), country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 15:39:07 -0000 On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 9:07 AM Alexey Dokuchaev wrote: > On Sat, Mar 09, 2019 at 12:00:27PM -0800, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > New Revision: 344970 > > > URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/344970 > > > > > > Log: > > > Misc fixes based on upgrading a laptop from 11.1R to -current > > > > > > Add note about needing to start zfs because mount -a doesn't do that. > > > Add the word 'supported' before 'older branches' for older binaries. > > > Add note about options in custom config files as well. > > > > > > Modified: head/UPDATING > > > ... > > > binaries). Failure to do so may leave you with a system that is > > > hard to boot to recover. A GENERIC kernel will include suitable > > > - compatibility options to run binaries from older branches. > > > + compatibility options to run binaries from supported older > branches. > > > > This is probably not the best adjective here, supported only goes back to > > 11.x, there are COMPAT options that work all the way back to 4. > > I concur, this "supported" word sounds like we barely give a fuck. Being > able to run old (very old) binaries had always been one of our strengths, > and we should not suggest that it's not anymore. > It isn't saying we don't support older binaries. It sets the limits on what people can expect from GENERIC in this context. We may remove support for 4.x binaries from GENERIC at some later time, we may keep it. Either way, it doesn't affect upgrading. Part of the minimum upgrading guarantee is that we have old binary support in GENERIC for all branches we support upgrading from. We can (and do) support additional binaries, and having the clarification here doesn't change that. Warner