From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 8 17:15:50 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AB5106305A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 17:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: from relay2.tomsk.ru (mail.sibptus.tomsk.ru [212.73.124.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077CE870BC for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2018 17:15:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Virus-Scanned: by clamd daemon 0.100.1 for FreeBSD at relay.sibptus.ru Received: from [212.73.125.240] (HELO admin.sibptus.transneft.ru) by relay2.tomsk.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTPS id 40073158; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 00:15:48 +0700 Received: from admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (sudakov@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w78HFmot068523; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 00:15:48 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) Received: (from sudakov@localhost) by admin.sibptus.transneft.ru (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w78HFhMp068517; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 00:15:43 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from vas@mpeks.tomsk.su) X-Authentication-Warning: admin.sibptus.transneft.ru: sudakov set sender to vas@mpeks.tomsk.su using -f Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 00:15:43 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ? Message-ID: <20180808171542.GA68317@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> References: <20180511090813.GA21919@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <1526039986.18202.5.camel@k1.com.br> <20180731014358.GA925@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180731195608.40cee639.freebsd@edvax.de> <20180801024324.GA20419@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180801165950.6bb77eabf97c862866d13ecf@sohara.org> <20180808161156.GA66626@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180808172413.9759288eaa75f6a8024417c8@sohara.org> <20180808163722.GA67368@admin.sibptus.transneft.ru> <20180808174651.5712b734d2bf158d8442a14c@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180808174651.5712b734d2bf158d8442a14c@sohara.org> Organization: AO "Svyaztransneft", SibPTUS X-PGP-Key: http://www.dreamwidth.org/pubkey?user=victor_sudakov X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.5 (2018-04-13) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:15:50 -0000 Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:37:22 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > > > > > No, this is not the way it works on Linux. Linux users don't run > > > > startx from a text session, nor do they switch between GUI sessions > > > > with Ctrl-Alt-Fn. They click "Switch user" and the graphical login > > > > screen appears where you can get authenticated. > > > > > > You can use startx and Ctrl-Alt-Fn in Linux to do this, at least > > > you could last time I used Linux and X. > > > > You can but nobody does because it's inconvenient and contraintuitive > > for the majority of users. > > I suspect I'm in a minority on FreeBSD too, but I find it handier. My wife always gets confused whether her X session is already running (and she should look for it by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F9, Ctrl-Alt-F10 until she eventually finds it) or she has to start a new one. Several times she has run startx from a text session, then got confused where her vt was and tried to run another startx... As I said, contraintuitive. -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN AS43859