From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 21 19:32:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526AC16A4B3; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D22943FB1; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 19:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from judmarc@fastmail.fm) Received: from mail.messagingengine.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758BB1FB076; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.202.2.150 ([10.202.2.150] helo=mail.messagingengine.com) by messagingengine.com with SMTP; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:32:30 -0400 X-Epoch: 1064197950 X-Sasl-enc: pZ+3NIvVCJ9XpEwDIJEcVw Received: from jud.dyndns.org (dialup-63.214.210.202.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net [63.214.210.202]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461781FB092; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:32:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey , Timothy Luoma References: <000001c37f81$94517160$6501a8c0@athlon> <20030920210753.GA38330@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030921005404.GR16686@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: From: Jud Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 22:32:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20030921005404.GR16686@wantadilla.lemis.com> User-Agent: Opera7.20/FreeBSD M2 build 465 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SCO Group X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:32:34 -0000 On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 10:24:04 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 20 September 2003 at 17:16:59 -0400, Timothy Luoma wrote: >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 14:07:53 -0700, Kris Kennaway >> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Sep 20, 2003 at 10:15:01AM -0400, Ryck wrote: [snip] >>>> Does Free BSD have anything to worry about regarding SCO Group and >>>> would >>>> Free BSD users be harmless from SCO Group's litigation threats? >>> >>> Not likely. See the mailing list archives for further discussion. >> >> I tried to find some information and had no luck. I was also looking >> for >> any conversation as to whether this situation with SCO was related at >> all >> to the problems BSD had with... was it AT&T? .... some years back. > > The short answer: SCO's predecessors sued the BSDs for much the same > issue over ten years ago. The matter was settled out of court. If > you believe this view, then the BSDs have nothing more to fear. > > On the other hand, the way SCO is handling the current issue suggests > that they have lost their minds. They have presented no proof for > their claims While generally agreeing with the view that SCO appear to "have lost their minds," as a lawyer in the U.S. I did want to note that it's not customary to present proof at this stage of a lawsuit. > (well, they produced some BSD code purported to be in > Linux, and claimed that it was System V code; see > http://www.lemis.com/grog/SCO/code-comparison.html#BPF for more > details). As a result, there's no reason to believe that they > wouldn't make similar claims about the BSDs. After all, the code in > that example *is* in FreeBSD. I agree with your general point that SCO hasn't given us any reason to suppose they'd treat the BSDs - or more specifically, BSD users - differently than in the case of Linux. However, if you don't work for a fairly large company and don't have untold personal wealth, there seems little reason to suppose SCO would waste time pursuing you or your employer. Jud