From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 29 17:59:43 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BDC6949 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (nk11p04mm-asmtpout002.mac.com [17.158.236.237]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.me.com", Issuer "VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL SGC CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 071662F46 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.163] ([24.237.133.115]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.10(7.0.4.27.9) 64bit (built Jun 6 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0N9G00G91TT5GP60@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:48:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.12.52,1.0.14,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-07-29_02:2014-07-28,2014-07-29,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1402240000 definitions=main-1407290110 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: deciding UFS vs ZFS From: Peter Giessel In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 00:48:40 -0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <20140713190308.GA9678@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <20140714071443.42f615c5@X220.alogt.com> <53C326EE.1030405@my.hennepintech.edu> <20140714111221.5d4aaea9@X220.alogt.com> <20140715143821.23638db5@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140716143929.74209529@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140718180416.715cdc0b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140722133305.228a1690@gumby.homeunix.com> <8699AF5D2BE8E9EBCFFEEE17@192.168.1.50> <20140722222722.70f13ec9@gumby.homeunix.com> <20140724002912.5eda1757@gumby.homeunix.com> <98DFE7A36ED2EBA26E6C710C@192.168.1.50> To: krad X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:59:43 -0000 On 2014, Jul 29, at 0:23, krad wrote: > you are correct, however if you can afford to put big drives like that = one > a system you can afford to match up a far more modern cpu with the = drives > with a decent amount of ram. Something like the hp microserver is = little > more than =A3100 and is more than capable of handling zfs. 5-6 year = old 2nd > had kit is as well and it probably cheaper. Also your going to have to = get > pretty creative to get a modern sata/sas drive to work in an = ((e)*isa|mca) > based board, which will nullify any cost saving of using decades old > hardware. That is simply not true. At our government surplus store, I can get Pentium 4 computers with 2 GB = of RAM for $25. They have SATA ports on the motherboard, so (2) 3TB = SATA Seagate ST3000DM001 are $99.99 each on Amazon right now with free = shipping. For under $250, I can put together redundant server with 3TB = RAID 1 storage. Assuming you mean ProLiant 712317-001 Ultra Micro Tower Server, those = cost around $400 with 2GB of RAM. 1GB/TB of RAM to storage, it will = need more RAM according to: "A general rule of thumb is 1GB of RAM for every 1TB of storage.=94 https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/filesystems-zfs.html=