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Date:      Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:08:33 -0600
From:      James Gritton <jamie@freebsd.org>
To:        freebsd-jail@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: SHM objects cannot be isolated in jails, any evolution in future  FreeBSD versions?
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On 2016-03-15 06:33, Mark Blackman wrote:
> On 15 Mar 2016, at 08:34, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote:
>> Mark Felder wrote on 03/14/2016 22:07:
>>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, at 11:42, James Gritton wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-03-12 04:05, Simon wrote:
>>>>> The shm_open()(2) function changed since FreeBSD 7.0: the SHM 
>>>>> objects
>>>>> path are now uncorrelated from the physical file system to become 
>>>>> just
>>>>> abstract objects. Probably due to this, the jail system do not 
>>>>> provide
>>>>> any form of filtering regarding shared memory created using this
>>>>> function. Therefore:
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Anyone can create unauthorized communication channels between 
>>>>> jails,
>>>>> - Users with enough privileges in any jail can access and modify 
>>>>> any
>>>>> SHM objects system-wide, ie. shared memory objects created in any
>>>>> other jail and in the host system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've seen a few claims that SHM objects were being handled 
>>>>> differently
>>>>> whether they were created inside or outside a jail. However, I 
>>>>> tested
>>>>> on FreeBSD 10.1 and 9.3 but found no evidence of this: both version
>>>>> were affected by the same issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> A reference of such claim:
>>>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2015-July/312665.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> My initial post on FreeBSD forum discussing the issue with more
>>>>> details: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55468/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Currently, there does not seem to be any way to prevent this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm therefore wondering if there are any concrete plans to change 
>>>>> this
>>>>> situation in future FreeBSD versions? Be able to block the 
>>>>> currently
>>>>> free inter-jail SHM-based communication seems a minimum, however 
>>>>> such
>>>>> setting would also most likely prevent SHM-based application to 
>>>>> work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using file based SHM objects in jails seemed a good ideas but it 
>>>>> does
>>>>> not seem implemented this way, I don't know why. Is this planned, 
>>>>> or
>>>>> are there any greater plans ongoing also involving IPC's similar
>>>>> issue?
>>>> 
>>>> There are no concrete plans I'm aware of, but it's definitely a 
>>>> thing
>>>> that should be done.  How about filing a bug report for it?  You've
>>>> already got a good write-up of the situation.
>>> 
>>> Both this and SYSV IPC jail support[1] are badly needed.
>>> 
>>> [1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48471
>> 
>> Yes, it is very sad that original patch was not commited, nor 
>> commented or improved by core developers for long 13 years. I am not 
>> 100% sure but I thing there was some patch from PJD for SysV IPC too. 
>> There were EclipseBSD with resource limits in times of FreeBSD 3.4 and 
>> there is FreeVPS for 6.x with virtualized IPC...
>> 
>> So I really hope SysV IPC aware jails will become reality soon.
>> 
>> Miroslav Lachman
> 
> Do we have a feeling if this only a funding problem or is it an
> enthusiasm problem?
> 
> - Mark

More of an "I've been hearing about it being around the corner so 
haven't done anything" problem.  I guess that would file under 
enthusiasm.

- Jamie



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