Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:55:21 -0400 From: "Patrick Bihan-Faou" <patrick@mindstep.com> To: "Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group" <Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca>, <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG>, <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: make.conf options (was Re: package-like feature for the base distrib (was Re: FreeSSH)) Message-ID: <001101bf18b8$049e5e40$190aa8c0@local.mindstep.com> References: <011801bf159c$f80630e0$190aa8c0@local.mindstep.com> <199910161454.HAA46310@cwsys.cwsent.com>
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Hi, From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group <Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca> > > I was not talking about things that constitute the "real" core of the > > distribution (kernel, basic libraries etc.). I was more thinking about > > "userland" stuff that is included in the distribution but might not be > > required by everybody. Sendmail for example is something I don't want since > > I user qmail. However I have to remove it by hand... Other examples are bind > > or perl. > > You don't need to install them. Just put these in make.conf. > > NO_SENDMAIL= true > NOPERL= true > NOGAMES= true > > It might be a good idea to support NONAMED, NOUUCP, and NONFS, > defines in make.conf. Since some like to use Qmail, Postfix, SSH, and > Kerberos V, like BUILD_PORTS='postfix ssh krb5 XFree86' in make.conf > would fetch new copies of distfiles (if you don't have them), de-install > old versions, build and install the listed ports each time a make world > is performed. This is going in the right direction, but here is a question (and I don't have the answer). Is it so much more easier to create new compile time directive than to go the extra step and use packages where they are available ? For example "bind8" is available as a package. Why not have the base install process use that instead of using its own source ? After all the package system is good, and we should capitalize on it. For things that don't have an equivalent (yet) in the ports, then there are 2 approaches: - the component is "optional enough" that it could be made as a package - or it is really required, in which case it belongs to the core installation. By optional enough, I mean something that: (this is likely not complete) a/ is not required by everybody (UUCP, YP) nore by the kernel to run properly b/ does not rely on other kernel components to be built properly c/ ... Again, I think that "sendmail" definitelly falls in that category as well as "bind". As far as the BUILD_PORTS variable. This is a great idea... Again why not take it to the next level which could be to have a new "target" in the ports' makefile: something like "make pkg_update" which would go and build/install the new version of all the installed packages/ports ? If I can help moving things in that direction, I will hapily land a hand... Patrick. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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