From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Apr 5 16: 0:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FA0152A0; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:59:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA05086; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:27:54 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id IAA09226; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:27:53 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19990406082753.U2142@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:27:53 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Greg Black Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Debug kernel by default (was: System size with -g) References: <19990331003535.E17547@futuresouth.com> <19990331165139.W413@lemis.com> <19990405012545.727.qmail@alpha.comkey.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990405012545.727.qmail@alpha.comkey.com.au>; from Greg Black on Mon, Apr 05, 1999 at 11:25:44AM +1000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Monday, 5 April 1999 at 11:25:44 +1000, Greg Black wrote: > Greg Lehey writes: > >> Interestingly enough, we are currently discussing this in -hackers. >> We're thinking about changing the way the kernel is built so that a >> debug kernel will be the default. > > I think this is a terrible idea, except possibly for -current. > I run a lot of FreeBSD machines, all of them -release (though > some might move to -stable if needed). They never crash and I > expect they never will, so debug kernels are just a waste of > resources as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure this applies to > lots of people who run production machines. That's the whole problem. Then you get a mystery crash which is never repeated, and because you don't have a debug kernel you can't analyse it. > At the very least, the decision to build a debug kernel should > be up to the installer Yes, we never disputed this. > and should default to non-debug. So far, you're the only person to voice this opinion. > After all, those people who might do anything with a debug kernel > can easily read the instructions on building/installing such a thing > and those people who just want to use FreeBSD won't be burdened with > the extra compilation time, disk space, memory waste during normal > operation, etc., associated with a debug kernel. I don't think you've read my proposition properly. You certainly haven't replied to the points I raised. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message