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Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:56:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:56:20 -0000 I added a device to the ZFS pool with 'zpool add' command, and now while trying to remove it I am getting: > # zpool remove xpool ada1 > cannot remove ada1: only inactive hot spares, cache, top-level, or log devices can be removed Some messages from 2008 suggest that this can't be undone, and "work is being done to add this capability". So is it still irreversible, or maybe FreeBSD just has an version of ZFS? This is very surprising that something as simple as that can't be undone. I admit I don't know much about ZFS, only use it one one disk. FreeBSD 10.3 Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 12 21:58:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A15AF15E2 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f53.google.com (mail-it0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2B1229E4 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:58:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f53.google.com with SMTP id a5so35346163ita.1 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:58:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=Su6jbrN1x2Tj9l5dTLgs97uUqeCoQoI42iXCpJo+pYA=; b=bBxJl3mke8EtCgMWoZl1wxFzv5frqvBJsTQQcnHjEAxlUassRj4GeDbxdoqYrRr5DV DJexJBzdpkOjm36AWhBki+cvksEiM6EREjDnlI8xpxOJ2APbcr8YXVgs/NFTqCBAw9Xe omdr5AIM028D4KushvliDR121j+MngzjCWZ45z5UbqDwKdJXiLXLoj9goVqyCMX4f2XY GPyqk2moAx1iXQijsYt0tiARxcn0DRr0tD2Dt3EclIBsw5sRQe4aOkSLUJRSpFngFFWb 0KotZUpBg847zHf4VWQP+bq9ejtKu43pJze5VpyBsRDaYAUBqFbDp30nN3Epr4Ee6DuX 68+A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLbHbWzwgz7uXT7uC9TH6Cea2K+v6kKP5I8DiR2tNFQ1y8adNKLsV8E59ZGNlfMKA== X-Received: by 10.36.214.4 with SMTP id o4mr12989729itg.14.1465768701528; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-251-248.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.251.248]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p199sm4930728itc.2.2016.06.12.14.58.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:58:20 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Yuri Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? In-reply-to: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 16:58:19 -0500 Message-ID: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 21:58:29 -0000 Yuri writes: > This is very surprising that something as simple as that can't be undone. `zpool add` adds *virtual* devices to a *pool*, while `zfs attach` adds physical devices to a mirrored device. So individual disks can be added to and removed from mirrored virtual devices, but virtual devices cannot be removed from a pool. A ZFS pool is striped across all virtual devices included in the pool, with data and metadata in the pool distributed across the physical devices that make up those virtual devices, in order to improve performance, redundancy, or both. Adding a virtual device doesn't merely make more space available---that virtual device is actually in use from the moment it is added, beginning with a resilver operation. >From the perspective of ZFS, removing a virtual device would be similar in effect to removing a drive from your machine, sawing it in half, and putting it back in. There's still data on that half-disk, but you'll never get to it. ZFS tries the same thing every time a pool is imported, searching for all devices that belong to it and panicking when devices/data that should exist do not. So yes, once you've added a virtual device to a pool it is a permanent part of the pool. You should plan out your storage to accommodate your needs for the foreseeable future---typically, you would actually make the pool larger than what you need right now in anticipation of eventially adding more data. ZFS was essentially designed as a long-term use, "archival" filesystem; shrinking a pool isn't something that would ever really happen in situations where ZFS is appropriate. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 12 22:14:14 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13E1AF19B8 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell1.rawbw.com (shell1.rawbw.com [198.144.192.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9126921CC for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:14:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from yuri.doctorlan.com (c-24-5-143-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.5.143.190]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell1.rawbw.com (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id u5CMEDxx047862 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:14:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shell1.rawbw.com: Host c-24-5-143-190.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.5.143.190] claimed to be yuri.doctorlan.com Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" References: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Cc: FreeBSD Questions From: Yuri Message-ID: <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 15:14:12 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:14:14 -0000 On 06/12/2016 14:58, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > `zpool add` adds*virtual* devices to a*pool*, while `zfs attach` adds > physical devices to a mirrored device. So individual disks can be added > to and removed from mirrored virtual devices, but virtual devices cannot > be removed from a pool. Thank you for your answer. I see that ZFS is designed this way. But I can't say I like this part of ZFS design. Because this isn't a physical disk with the set size, but a combination of disks. People may reasonably want to remove some disks in some layouts, due to failures, etc, and ZFS just lacks the flexibility to do that. Thanks! Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 12 22:50:36 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB046AF010D for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4ADAE2ECB for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (CPE00180a85ab9a-CMbc4dfb2fc1a0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [174.112.18.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E486040BB for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 22:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/E486040BB; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? 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References: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> In-Reply-To: <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> --Xo2max1P0fP3ReMaEeAQc5H5rrm62jthQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12/06/2016 18:14, Yuri wrote: > On 06/12/2016 14:58, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >> `zpool add` adds*virtual* devices to a*pool*, while `zfs attach` adds= >> physical devices to a mirrored device. So individual disks can be adde= d >> to and removed from mirrored virtual devices, but virtual devices cann= ot >> be removed from a pool. >=20 >=20 > Thank you for your answer. I see that ZFS is designed this way. >=20 > But I can't say I like this part of ZFS design. Because this isn't a > physical disk with the set size, but a combination of disks. People may= > reasonably want to remove some disks in some layouts, due to failures, > etc, and ZFS just lacks the flexibility to do that. You should have seen Matt Ahren's talk at BSDCan this year. (It might be available on YouTube in the next few days -- depends if it was livestreamed or not. Unfortunately, while there were lecture 4 tracks, there was only one set of video kit to livestream with...) Suffice it to say though that there is already fix for those 'Oh No! I really didn't mean to type "zfs add" there' moments in the upstream OpenZFS repo, which will be coming to a FreeBSD repository near you Real Soon Now. You get a grace period within which you can undo that sort of mistake. Cheers, Matthew --Xo2max1P0fP3ReMaEeAQc5H5rrm62jthQ-- --xltGncTbbcbUDH6eXBomWTXanUvTV2u6g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJXXec3XxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQ2NTNBNjhCOTEzQTRFNkNGM0UxRTEzMjZC QjIzQUY1MThFMUE0MDEzAAoJELsjr1GOGkAT/JsQAJG3iotDrvsxmPuXTEw1VBy+ xs+l7Ut8pyRKtRCU1kh5NpKbtYy7rKNqFfMEqQBtbgOjPrh8hHGCznB+uvTtFrSw PE6Put2whxrKEcPzApRFL1UzE9U+lJKYgH263cC/SiR8Nqbv3JYbnGHSi1kz/S4+ cYSDahhe4o5nRIJioJ5NRYvd2BClfktOswdiVEhEdMXcJ3ODkEVTNMamwNofEbAY L2yG3I4e6PlNfQ7BPxZqZ8JYh98uLHdkrgl2aYwBgvgmjknX6jeswL8rbp5WxhNI IVukhdPe8x8cIFZVymVI9LeVqkHENJ8JKIdUihPU6VjWt50HSobeuMAtcTaR3ZrY JsoquNDDXBIvaLM9P1XLfyYu5FwqqDCiN/6iMCKETQZEafd3q2Boxuwq+fpBBa3I 1gY32fsg6C0iGH/H54vA1+lDxqq1bTFQPHQ+mv49/aHkNFWlLUs9DlLrpe7A6ok1 Y1pv07Xj/378tCEengzdyxhMoODHvAqS41JTxcNF61PwVIHKRj+eldt8T1GAK1IB KOeT+D6c0riFb8Rs8hFGcbic+9yqG6Mdq8qUvpS3NfE0lcyTqZ6jxutxE0UkNAfN 2tYeBtxz1PieG4pwM/dBIJNkZAql7X4Ym6SZoHh90dy6ldyqsj6rJQABUdePnuHZ eGDIipVguuJ1zfSK8naw =FUG7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xltGncTbbcbUDH6eXBomWTXanUvTV2u6g-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 13 00:55:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5E7AF1BC8 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-f43.google.com (mail-it0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1713F2B63 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:55:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-f43.google.com with SMTP id z189so37301717itg.0 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:55:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=TqxwgYEvk2KZuzeDp8s+rO68IQTNb1zA7XU73/8E2pc=; b=RmgZYsQ8CC9p1J/97yqANQcjjPd+lFBQe2l27vDHa4n1akWyMXhJW564qwIPYRSxT2 XSKjiNr5eHuqCYzLJ9YmmLvHDsc+hGjd5SeDd+2P8JRtkhAQ/IOdfcArl1Zlt0etgQF6 6AnqUaOUwbncrS5CtnwOUztPUFtnX6AYMAVt7EIq3AdgiyGzSIlnH8FAAJAMTvzrM78T JuYt0xbUHdo8JxETZRKAsB9su9/uN2vptIeYbCSySHr75rFt+VvLAmIzLo7+Nzs3henl +xgIG9GZhGgIk1Zzh6rd+UeJSvarX62KcT5baYW8H0ln7QBWGX5aM4VdbzdsQ/dYsTcx Gb4w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLzuLBKx3Lomq/XJMrrPwKMawR9kSZDTlnVCNzaUpZmZrLZ1AzvBqIhB3IB2ebb0A== X-Received: by 10.36.60.20 with SMTP id m20mr14011970ita.81.1465778836583; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-251-248.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.251.248]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h193sm4190683ioe.40.2016.06.12.17.47.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 12 Jun 2016 17:47:15 -0700 (PDT) References: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Yuri Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? In-reply-to: <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:47:17 -0500 Message-ID: <864m8xewyy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:55:05 -0000 Yuri writes: > People may reasonably want to remove some disks in some layouts, due > to failures, etc, and ZFS just lacks the flexibility to do that. Obviously, if you're dealing with any sort of RAID you'll occasionally be replacing failed disks; ZFS is no different, and you can swap out disks while the system is running. You just can't remove a *virtual device*. You can't just shuffle disks around willy-nilly, because you'd effectively destroy the storage pool in the process. There's a minimum number of disks that need to be attached, and that minimum changes as you add virtual (not necessarily physical) devices to a pool. Traditional RAID has the same sort of limitation: create a RAID 5 array out of three disks, then remove two disks. You've just destroyed the array. If you want to temporarily add a single disk to a system, you can just create a second pool on it. There's no arbitrary limit to how many pools a system can have. ZFS has real limitations, but they're not that strict. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 13 02:07:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A313AF0B33 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:07:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sm@ara-ler.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22e.google.com (mail-io0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0A9C21E0 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sm@ara-ler.com) Received: by mail-io0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id n127so108759694iof.3 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:07:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ara-ler-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ptxYyhqNP4eIH2URPC2Av/gp7tdEQk6wVJV4xXOB5/Y=; b=rr+WxVj/RTC7sqXYxmA0DA7PgNNJ3ZxOd8LFPu1PMfWMVXaAJ341M6TQK2MeQKVAIg ywxt7RsEt7HuQQchV/r4gahN2GafPsEJXNU/RtBYiNoK5T9EkvKO+Ph0yoqTPO89msVE 8ZjT6c+qq0WMoMDflTW75/ie5WSWWQAZLDp3aa8hiNbgl32KO1Jk7OadBWNe7E0wHmhW +1uVeXb/2UlBDQYFyc5fFFjF+wKZ6MU0Aq6ETb0XHd7w/JoPFGE6/mXCE5fJZ+arJD/x 5/cbTwuGqy/SX6uzrPxa3iijCdXvrhs9qba2QLfgrXKvzuXo9jkRqceLSn3LPfPQajg/ lxaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=ptxYyhqNP4eIH2URPC2Av/gp7tdEQk6wVJV4xXOB5/Y=; b=Pdh7tEYDLDlJXpTKJWF9akcjI/Rtg3boQyOKAyxSZswBgwqsAgWUrHgzR4coGXsWf2 7Syx/EitkWdFx/YxbaNFBtZIfaiTJLm/ZtWBXch1hJQwQiOCs7Xb3WSDRL+Iqmds6sKG CXZIjDrNh7YYZ2OgALPEjzbJj14xT0aK/dkZU+68kfYZlYai3+HiqBytjaDLlEgPF5IM LFLeVuLx0LMsMYTbmtBkJv7KUz7YdJXwS7LCk3ts4L+VXzrNG4zhf81ZqIYoQYzmWSXb 1PjpB2vmDdo3krz2KLsY+6ofKxWHVDK2kiszSBNxN0KIM5jweGJU3nzJfkRQiOiKLxLh YTHg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLvUcdKICRQrTtbjO8Mw5s/oB7b8cHwUs0cmZduHVQ8FLpx/5Y6CMiQWaAq5C1e2Q== X-Received: by 10.107.44.71 with SMTP id s68mr9954732ios.174.1465783664228; Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dendrobates.araler.com (97-124-183-156.hlrn.qwest.net. [97.124.183.156]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p3sm4494894iod.43.2016.06.12.19.07.43 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 12 Jun 2016 19:07:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 20:07:41 -0600 From: Sergey Manucharian To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Message-ID: <20160613020741.GU4587@dendrobates.araler.com> References: <2A9191BF-029B-4728-AE90-B3EF8689A8FC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2A9191BF-029B-4728-AE90-B3EF8689A8FC@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.0 (2016-04-01) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 02:07:45 -0000 Excerpts from Manas B's message from Wed 08-Jun-16 17:13: > Lenovo's T430s is a good laptop. I haven't used it with FreeBSD but I have been running Debian on it for over a year. I am running Debian testing on it now, with KDE. It works generally well, krunner crashes frequently and I recently had to get drivers for the bluetooth card but otherwise it is stable and reliable. I'm using Thinkpad T430 with FreeBSD 11-CURRENT for almost a year, everything works fine. 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[108.168.15.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k101sm7591762ioi.9.2016.06.13.05.47.53 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> <5022693a-b2e9-70d4-352b-121a116a0e20@FreeBSD.org> From: Jeremy Faulkner Message-ID: <3e2d24a8-edb6-0272-3248-dba2da6fa561@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 08:47:52 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5022693a-b2e9-70d4-352b-121a116a0e20@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 12:47:55 -0000 On 2016-06-12 6:50 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 12/06/2016 18:14, Yuri wrote: >> On 06/12/2016 14:58, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >>> `zpool add` adds*virtual* devices to a*pool*, while `zfs attach` adds >>> physical devices to a mirrored device. So individual disks can be added >>> to and removed from mirrored virtual devices, but virtual devices cannot >>> be removed from a pool. >> >> >> Thank you for your answer. I see that ZFS is designed this way. >> >> But I can't say I like this part of ZFS design. Because this isn't a >> physical disk with the set size, but a combination of disks. People may >> reasonably want to remove some disks in some layouts, due to failures, >> etc, and ZFS just lacks the flexibility to do that. > > You should have seen Matt Ahren's talk at BSDCan this year. (It might > be available on YouTube in the next few days -- depends if it was > livestreamed or not. Unfortunately, while there were lecture 4 tracks, > there was only one set of video kit to livestream with...) > > Suffice it to say though that there is already fix for those 'Oh No! I > really didn't mean to type "zfs add" there' moments in the upstream > OpenZFS repo, which will be coming to a FreeBSD repository near you Real > Soon Now. You get a grace period within which you can undo that sort of > mistake. > > Cheers, > > Matthew It appears that multiple days of videos got merged as there are talks from the devsummit merged with talks from day one of BSDCan. Here's Matt's talk: https://youtu.be/AOidjSS7Hsg?t=6h50m3s Jeremy Faulkner From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jun 13 14:25:40 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70625AF15AA for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3D4B2275 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F1B7439D for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/6F1B7439D; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> <5022693a-b2e9-70d4-352b-121a116a0e20@FreeBSD.org> <3e2d24a8-edb6-0272-3248-dba2da6fa561@gmail.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <7262391c-51d3-5487-3c17-6f1d710d3848@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:25:21 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3e2d24a8-edb6-0272-3248-dba2da6fa561@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S8EtVUiiUg4BsmRhw8ObHcpPHLL2EFDE4" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:25:40 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --S8EtVUiiUg4BsmRhw8ObHcpPHLL2EFDE4 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tbs3g0GwCuchndtgTj8MFMCNFkeKO70GP" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <7262391c-51d3-5487-3c17-6f1d710d3848@FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? References: <86shwiax38.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <22e9b8aa-3171-f399-f3a8-b71eb92210f5@rawbw.com> <5022693a-b2e9-70d4-352b-121a116a0e20@FreeBSD.org> <3e2d24a8-edb6-0272-3248-dba2da6fa561@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3e2d24a8-edb6-0272-3248-dba2da6fa561@gmail.com> --tbs3g0GwCuchndtgTj8MFMCNFkeKO70GP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 13/06/2016 13:47, Jeremy Faulkner wrote: > It appears that multiple days of videos got merged as there are talks > from the devsummit merged with talks from day one of BSDCan. Here's > Matt's talk: >=20 > https://youtu.be/AOidjSS7Hsg?t=3D6h50m3s >=20 Of course, I'm mixing my events up. Matt's talk was great, but didn't cover the OP's point. That was actually the ZFS BoF hosted by Matt Ahrens and Allan Jude. (I blame an unholy mix of conference derived sleep deprivation and jey lag...) 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[63.231.155.110]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w10sm2349689itc.1.2016.06.14.10.59.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:59:48 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Manish Jain Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Anything special to do moving to SSD? In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 12:59:48 -0500 Message-ID: <8637ofy7l7.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:07:09 -0000 Manish Jain writes: > Hi, > > I use FreeBSD 10.2 amd64 as my primary OS. > > I just purchased a Samsung EVO 500 GB Solid State disk, and shall be > migrating to it in the next few days. Just wanted to know whether I > can use it out-of-the-box, pretty much like an IDE/SATA hard disk, or > is there anything special/nice to do for SSD ? > > I presume I shall have to reinstall the OS over again. In case it is > possible to migrate 'in-place' (data copy), please let me know about > that too. If you're using UFS, you can clone your existing installation by piping dump(8) straight into restore(8).[1] If you're using ZFS then you'd use `zfs send | zfs receive` instead, sending your filesystems straight to the new disk/pool instead of backing up and then restoring. Or you could just use some other reliable tool like rsync. Whatever the case, you should certainly already have a backup on-hand anyway, just in case. What is important no matter what is that when creating new UFS filesystems on an SSD, you need to use the `-t` flag to enable TRIM. TRIM is enabled by default on ZFS. [1]: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_copying_filesystems -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 14 18:17:50 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B2AEAF20B9 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:17:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.brinkhaus@t-online.de) Received: from mailout08.t-online.de (mailout08.t-online.de [194.25.134.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mailout00.t-online.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C63EA21B0 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:17:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.brinkhaus@t-online.de) Received: from fwd11.aul.t-online.de (fwd11.aul.t-online.de [172.20.27.152]) by mailout08.t-online.de (Postfix) with SMTP id 8385441D56FC; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:17:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esprimo.local (GoCtZUZp8hcZeLA3p+apdn9wVDkHTh3WDSYjjTAOCSj5FyDme6nbebiUHjSIWqPw7R@[217.81.142.145]) by fwd11.t-online.de with (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted) esmtp id 1bCsu6-2EBtr60; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:17:34 +0200 Received: from esprimo.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by esprimo.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9686D45CD8A; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by esprimo.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u5EIHXiG059465; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:17:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:17:33 +0200 From: Christoph Brinkhaus To: Manish Jain Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Anything special to do moving to SSD? Message-ID: <20160614181733.GA51517@esprimo.local> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-ID: GoCtZUZp8hcZeLA3p+apdn9wVDkHTh3WDSYjjTAOCSj5FyDme6nbebiUHjSIWqPw7R X-TOI-MSGID: 5ee538cf-bf55-43c4-9218-628a4549d427 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:17:50 -0000 On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 05:43:05PM +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > > Hi, > > I use FreeBSD 10.2 amd64 as my primary OS. > > I just purchased a Samsung EVO 500 GB Solid State disk, and shall be > migrating to it in the next few days. Just wanted to know whether > I can use it out-of-the-box, pretty much like an IDE/SATA hard disk, > or is there anything special/nice to do for SSD ? I have followed http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ssd.html with success. > > I presume I shall have to reinstall the OS over again. > In case it is possible to migrate 'in-place' (data copy), > please let me know about that too. I have copied the UFS file system by dump and restore in single user mode and adjusted /etc/fstab. For other file systems a data copy should work as well. > > > Thanks for any replies. > > Manish Jain Good luck, Christoph From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 14 18:35:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BE2AF2785 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp3.irishbroadband.ie (smtp3.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BB7F2DCC for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp3.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bCsvV-0007l5-Ru; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:19:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.86_2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bCsvd-0003Tr-IX; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:19:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:19:00 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Manish Jain Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Anything special to do moving to SSD? Message-Id: <20160614191900.c70ccf60478738d0a8b0e44f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:35:11 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 17:43:05 +0000 Manish Jain wrote: > > Hi, > > I use FreeBSD 10.2 amd64 as my primary OS. > > I just purchased a Samsung EVO 500 GB Solid State disk, and shall be > migrating to it in the next few days. Just wanted to know whether I can > use it out-of-the-box, pretty much like an IDE/SATA hard disk, or is > there anything special/nice to do for SSD ? Just one thing, use the -t flag to newfs (along with whatever others you use) when you initialise the filesystems to enable TRIM support, other than that it's just a (fast) drive. > I presume I shall have to reinstall the OS over again. In case it is > possible to migrate 'in-place' (data copy), please let me know about that > too. Provided the existing filesystems will fit on the SSD a migrate in place is quite easy. I have done this quite recently based on the excellent write up here http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ssd.html - don't treat it as a step-by-step adapt it to your setup (not hard). -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 14 18:35:19 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F455AF279D for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3ABC52E08 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:35:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Anything special to do moving to SSD? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <57604E69.5090805@holgerdanske.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:35:21 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 18:35:19 -0000 On 06/14/2016 10:43 AM, Manish Jain wrote: > I use FreeBSD 10.2 amd64 as my primary OS. > > I just purchased a Samsung EVO 500 GB Solid State disk, and shall be migrating to it in the next few days. Just wanted to know whether I can use it out-of-the-box, pretty much like an IDE/SATA hard disk, or is there anything special/nice to do for SSD ? > > I presume I shall have to reinstall the OS over again. In case it is possible to migrate 'in-place' (data copy), please let me know about that too. What kind of machine -- laptop, desktop, server? What do you use the machine for? What disk(s) does it already heave? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 14 19:24:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F135FB724E7 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_postfix@bluerosetech.com) Received: from echo.brtsvcs.net (echo.brtsvcs.net [208.111.40.118]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF10F2881 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:24:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from list_postfix@bluerosetech.com) Received: from chombo.houseloki.net (unknown [IPv6:2601:1c2:1402:3a86:21c:c0ff:fe7f:96ee]) by echo.brtsvcs.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E05525001D for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2601:1c2:1402:3a86:a5d9:ec3d:8722:ad2f] (unknown [IPv6:2601:1c2:1402:3a86:a5d9:ec3d:8722:ad2f]) by chombo.houseloki.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5205B1CEA for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 12:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611193225.GB2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611200448.GC2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> From: Mel Pilgrim Message-ID: <90dd080e-f3d2-2d30-d10c-7b68ec0680be@bluerosetech.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 12:24:36 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160611200448.GC2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:24:33 -0000 On 2016-06-11 13:04, Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff wrote: > Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-11 21:32 +0200] : > >> in rc.conf because the public IPv4 is assigned by the router. >> However, changing it to SYNCDHCP helped only partly. Now, >> tincd starts but both postfix and sshd still fail. > > Additionally to SYNCDHCP, I added the following three lines: > > netwait_enable="YES" > netwait_if="" > netwait_ip="" > > This solves the problem. But this also requires me to predict > the IPv6 that the server gets from the router. In this special > case I know it because my provider will only assign me one in > particular. But maybe there's something like SYNCDHCP for IPv6 > too? Statically configure the interface in rc.conf. You already have it statically configured elsewhere in the system, so save yourself the race condition headache and make it static in rc.conf, too. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jun 14 19:59:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBE8B72B19 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3F9272B for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:59:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 76F3533C26; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? References: <20160611174849.GA2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611193225.GB2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> <20160611200448.GC2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Reply-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:59:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20160611200448.GC2453@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> (Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff's message of "Sat, 11 Jun 2016 22:04:48 +0200") Message-ID: <44a8inh78l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 19:59:30 -0000 Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff writes: > Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff [2016-06-11 21:32 +0200] : > >> in rc.conf because the public IPv4 is assigned by the router. >> However, changing it to SYNCDHCP helped only partly. Now, >> tincd starts but both postfix and sshd still fail. I think you'd need the ports version of the DHCP client for working with IPv6. > Additionally to SYNCDHCP, I added the following three lines: > > netwait_enable="YES" > netwait_if="" > netwait_ip="" > > This solves the problem. But this also requires me to predict > the IPv6 that the server gets from the router. No, it doesn't. You're supposed to put a *remote* address in that variable, not a local one. You can list any remote IP addresses in the variable that you want, including, for example, public DNS servers. In particular, you should do it for both IPv4 and IPv6. Just out of interest, where did you get the idea of doing it this way? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20160614191900.c70ccf60478738d0a8b0e44f@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:16:53 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 02:16:55 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Manish Jain wrote: >> Provided the existing filesystems will fit on the SSD a migrate in >> place is quite easy. I have done this quite recently based on the >> excellent write up here >> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ssd.html - don't treat it as >> a step-by-step adapt it to your setup (not hard). >> > > I am bothered by this thought. Let's say my old SATA disk is da0 and I > attach the SSD as da1 for copying the filesystem via dump+restore. Next > I remove the SATA entirely and reboot. Now will the SSD still be da1 ? > If not, then I have no way of knowing how to configure /etc/fstab for > the SSD. Use GPT labels. Or UFS filesystem labels: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/labels.html Even on single-disk systems, labels make it easier to deal with partitions. > Incidentally, I don't know whether this is relevant - my system will be > a dual boot PC, with Win XP as secondary OS. I think that means that I > cannot use GPT and I will have to use MBR for partitioning. Am I right > about that ? Yes. But unless you have a strong requirement to run XP on bare hardware (like for games), install VirtualBox and run it as a VM. That makes it easy to transplant elsewhere when the need arises. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 05:46:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EAF5B7242D for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 05:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: from box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu [IPv6:2a02:2770:15:0:21a:4aff:feaa:e902]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA19128CD for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 05:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stdin@niklaas.eu) Received: by box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3230C38551A; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:46:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:46:55 +0200 From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When your server boots too fast: How to slow it down? Message-ID: <20160615054655.GA76679@box-hlm-03.niklaas.eu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <90dd080e-f3d2-2d30-d10c-7b68ec0680be@bluerosetech.com> <44a8inh78l.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 05:46:58 -0000 --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lowell Gilbert [2016-06-14 15:59 -0400] : > > Additionally to SYNCDHCP, I added the following three lines: > > > > netwait_enable=3D"YES" > > netwait_if=3D"" > > netwait_ip=3D"" > > > > This solves the problem. But this also requires me to predict > > the IPv6 that the server gets from the router. >=20 > No, it doesn't. You're supposed to put a *remote* address in that > variable, not a local one. I don't know why but I couldn't think about that option at all. That makes totally sense. > Just out of interest, where did you get the idea of doing it this way? Since it had something to do with the boot process I skimmed a bit over /etc/rc.d/* and stumbled upon /etc/rc.d/netwait and read it. Although it says that one should prefer SYNCDHCP (actually it says synchronous_dhclient=3D"YES") at the very beginning, I gave it a shot. Mel Pilgrim [2016-06-14 12:24 -0700] : > Statically configure the interface in rc.conf. You already have it=20 > statically configured elsewhere in the system, so save yourself the race= =20 > condition headache and make it static in rc.conf, too. That's a good point too. Niklaas --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXYOvIAAoJEG2fODeJrIU/fNUQAISriVuNxxVQnQZ7WQswu8Ba 1bEM4e4b1aMfsN6aH7qyKpzsFQd+o97akYrsdYmRzgVTODzjhFAe5pVny2PrnVgm d/VT+ykCbIcLEcjshdsdTqry6RRnyJEtJH7PcF4BwxwBg9qC+Q0SrZEdctXMFxmv v34Yd07YqUZM7N1A/YZE9fl5smWAPMpoPv7k1vaLu2AtKXnpChi6gzYvejVJfJlP 6/RNeWmysAJC8YChcpSp0X4SSodkKZLD894VN8HGo6ufhv4r+elHqBgDir4OYM3X tvPJNeq385W+1xZcz3VlcfxOHHXQ/WSeKjpYC+Yv/vN4WK7syK9GEKjCCF4IHvk+ 3CxbQH9tR3dGAvzJzoqCA3P1LW+dDdrC0mv++dv8nso4Tw1MLO92F69/9ThvcDQM 0ciBiqjxzL1PlneweOa9ydusq4ut7+8GXIzFIWLRKN+MNSR4HpQcJdAFVqcxdUEf A0jTQz6/F50mW6boudCEUaOZOSo4JW/i+kMbkOk2RAT/ZffnrvL7/7xex0P5Q9R6 9ZWEWsNoFJPpAUvM8rDw365/Yersyupo9Au8hnaMrdNYgjkF2PmTgcsBSysFS7dq cbk6fkYtir6ckK3VaqL3rs8h7rGEQ6hohVdX3u+2+SaTr+rES8rVhvjGYiGWElf5 LwVCYBfMJkpCSGw6mzOE =do77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 08:28:31 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D8AA09AA1 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:28:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B585123D for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:28:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-96-188.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.96.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BFCB3CF2F; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:28:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u5F8SLUa002032; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:28:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:28:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Cc: Manish Jain , User Questions Subject: Re: Anything special to do moving to SSD? Message-Id: <20160615102821.3621f8ce.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20160614191900.c70ccf60478738d0a8b0e44f@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:28:31 -0000 On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 20:16:53 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2016, Manish Jain wrote: > > >> Provided the existing filesystems will fit on the SSD a migrate in > >> place is quite easy. I have done this quite recently based on the > >> excellent write up here > >> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/ssd.html - don't treat it as > >> a step-by-step adapt it to your setup (not hard). > >> > > > > I am bothered by this thought. Let's say my old SATA disk is da0 and I > > attach the SSD as da1 for copying the filesystem via dump+restore. Next > > I remove the SATA entirely and reboot. Now will the SSD still be da1 ? > > If not, then I have no way of knowing how to configure /etc/fstab for > > the SSD. > > Use GPT labels. Or UFS filesystem labels: > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/labels.html A very important advice. Labels make it easier to recognize the purpose of partitions by name (instead of number), and they also "survive" if a disk gets moved from system to system. > Even on single-disk systems, labels make it easier to deal with > partitions. Even on single-disk systems, device names might change due to a system update: A disk that has been known as ad4 could come up as ada0 after an improved "controller" has been introduced to the kernel. :-) > Yes. But unless you have a strong requirement to run XP on bare > hardware (like for games), install VirtualBox and run it as a VM. That > makes it easy to transplant elsewhere when the need arises. And it saves you a lot of trouble getting "drivers" for hardware that has been considered "outdated" and isn't supported anymore by "Windows" or by its manufacturer. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 11:25:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C2CA317A7 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nan@chinadtrace.org) Received: from cp-41.webhostbox.net (cp-41.webhostbox.net [209.99.16.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 098D5147F for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:25:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nan@chinadtrace.org) Received: from ztxe01hpics305.austin.hp.com ([15.65.252.15]:52978 helo=XIAONA1) by cp-41.webhostbox.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bD87X-004DIJ-Gg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 10:32:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:32:32 +0800 From: "Nan Xiao" To: freebsd-questions Subject: How to use sqlite3 in python on FreeBSD 10.3? 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Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: Eir Nym X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <2016061518322497404919@chinadtrace.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:13:08 +0200 Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <2016061518322497404919@chinadtrace.org> To: Nan Xiao X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:13:12 -0000 Hi, Nan, > On 15 Jun 2016, at 12:32, Nan Xiao wrote: >=20 > Hi all, >=20 > Greetings from me! I am a newbie of FreeBSD, and want to use sqlite3 = in python on my FreeBSD 10.3. After installing python, it prompts I = should install the following additional packages: >=20 > ...... > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > Note that some standard Python modules are provided as separate ports > as they require additional dependencies. They are available as: > bsddb databases/py-bsddb > gdbm databases/py-gdbm > sqlite3 databases/py-sqlite3 > tkinter x11-toolkits/py-tkinter > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= > =46rom this post, it seems after installing above 4 packages, the = sqlite3 should be able to work. But "impore sqlite3" still reports = following errors: >=20 >>>> import sqlite3 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 24, in = > from dbapi2 import * > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 28, in = > from _sqlite3 import * > ImportError: No module named _sqlite3 >=20 > Could anyone help on this issue? Thanks very much in advance! >=20 You should install databases/py-sqlite3 port for your system. This port = as any other python library depends on python versions installed. You = can read about specifying python version to build this library for in = Handbook. > Have a nice day! >=20 > P.S., I also submit this issue on SO, but unfortunately, I can't get = any help from there, so I repost the question here, thanks!=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Best Regards > Nan Xiao (=E8=82=96=E6=A5=A0) > Skype: xiaonan19830818 > Jabber/XMPP: nanxiao@xmpp.ru.net=20 > Telegram: nanxiao > Personal website (Chinese): http://nanxiao.me/=20 > Personal website (English): http://nanxiao.me/en=20 > Chinese DTrace website: http://chinadtrace.org/=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 12:57:29 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B136BA1DB2C; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:57:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.net (24-240-198-188.static.stls.mo.charter.com [24.240.198.188]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90A9B1C85; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:57:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: from webmail.dweimer.local (localhost [10.9.5.2]) by webmail.dweimer.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id u5FCudK5036081 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:56:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.dweimer.local (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id u5FCudX7036080; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:56:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dweimer@dweimer.net) X-Authentication-Warning: webmail.dweimer.local: www set sender to dweimer@dweimer.net using -f To: Nan Xiao Subject: Re: How to use sqlite3 in python on FreeBSD 10.3? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 07:56:39 -0500 From: "Dean E. Weimer" Cc: freebsd-questions , owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Organization: dweimer.net Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net Mail-Reply-To: dweimer@dweimer.net In-Reply-To: <2016061518322497404919@chinadtrace.org> References: <2016061518322497404919@chinadtrace.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: dweimer@dweimer.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:57:29 -0000 On 2016-06-15 5:32 am, Nan Xiao wrote: > Hi all, > > Greetings from me! I am a newbie of FreeBSD, and want to use sqlite3 > in python on my FreeBSD 10.3. After installing python, it prompts I > should install the following additional packages: > > ...... > =========================================================================== > Note that some standard Python modules are provided as separate ports > as they require additional dependencies. They are available as: > bsddb databases/py-bsddb > gdbm databases/py-gdbm > sqlite3 databases/py-sqlite3 > tkinter x11-toolkits/py-tkinter > =========================================================================== > From this post, it seems after installing above 4 packages, the > sqlite3 should be able to work. But "impore sqlite3" still reports > following errors: > >>>> import sqlite3 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/sqlite3/__init__.py", line 24, in > > from dbapi2 import * > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/sqlite3/dbapi2.py", line 28, in > > from _sqlite3 import * > ImportError: No module named _sqlite3 > > Could anyone help on this issue? Thanks very much in advance! > > Have a nice day! > > P.S., I also submit this issue on SO, but unfortunately, I can't get > any help from there, so I repost the question here, thanks! > use "pkg info | grep py" and verify that the packages did install correctly, from one of my systems running Python with py-sqlite3, it works fine. I am running WeeWX on this system which even though I am using mySQL for most of the data, it still has some dependency on sqlite3, so not only does it import, but I have applications using py-sqlite3. pkg info | grep py py27-Babel-2.3.4 Collection of tools for internationalizing Python applications py27-Jinja2-2.8 Fast and easy to use stand-alone template engine py27-MarkupSafe-0.23 Implements XML/HTML/XHTML Markup safe string for Python py27-MySQLdb56-1.2.5 Access a MySQL database through Python py27-alabaster-0.7.6 Modified Kr Sphinx theme py27-cheetah-2.4.4_1 HTML template engine for Python py27-configobj-5.0.6_1 Simple but powerful config file reader and writer py27-dnspython-1.12.0 DNS toolkit for Python py27-docutils-0.12 Python Documentation Utilities py27-imagesize-0.7.1 Python image size library py27-markdown-2.6.5 Python implementation of Markdown py27-pillow-3.1.1_1 Fork of the Python Imaging Library (PIL) py27-pip-8.0.2 Tool for installing and managing Python packages py27-pycurl-7.21.5 Python interface to libcurl py27-pygments-2.1.3 Syntax highlighter written in Python py27-pystemmer-1.3.0_1 Snowball Stemming Algorithms for Information Retrieval py27-pytz-2016.4,1 World Timezone Definitions for Python py27-setuptools27-20.0 Python packages installer py27-six-1.10.0 Python 2 and 3 compatibility utilities py27-snowballstemmer-1.2.0_1 Snowball stemming library collection for Python py27-sphinx-1.4.1 Python documentation generator py27-sphinx_rtd_theme-0.1.9 Mobile-friendly py-sphinx theme py27-sqlite3-2.7.11_7 Standard Python binding to the SQLite3 library (Python 2.7) py27-tkinter-2.7.11_6 Python bindings to the Tk widget set (Python 2.7) py27-usb-1.0.0b1_1 Python wrapper around libusb pyephem-3.7.6.0,1 Scientific-grade astronomical computations for Python python-2.7_2,2 The "meta-port" for the default version of Python interpreter python2-2_3 The "meta-port" for version 2 of the Python interpreter python27-2.7.11_2 Interpreted object-oriented programming language python3-3_3 The "meta-port" for version 3 of the Python interpreter python34-3.4.4_2 Interpreted object-oriented programming language root@weewx:/ # python Python 2.7.11 (default, Jun 10 2016, 09:38:24) [GCC 4.2.1 Compatible FreeBSD Clang 3.4.1 (tags/RELEASE_34/dot1-final 208032)] on freebsd10 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import sqlite3 >>> make sure that the py27_sqlite3 or py34-sqlite3 depending on which you are trying to use is installed. I have Python 2.7 set as system default do to some requirements on the software. But also have Python 3.4 installed for some custom system maintenance scripts I have written, those fortunately don't require any other python dependencies so it seems to work OK having both installed. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 14:53:51 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C78BA44C0D for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:53:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E62001F24 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:53:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDCCL-0004L3-GQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:53:41 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:53:41 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:53:41 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: List etiquette Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:53:21 +0200 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <5759EA5D.3050501@nofroth.com> <303A1925-FBA8-4AAD-B466-2F2BCE8D37F4@doraji.xyz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <303A1925-FBA8-4AAD-B466-2F2BCE8D37F4@doraji.xyz> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:53:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 06/10/16 16:28, Byung-Hee HWANG (황병희) wrote: Hello Byung! > Really i agree to Matthew's opinion that nobody can insist to reply > for. And then, Chris your message topic (proper laptop for freebsd) > was so good to me of non-technical user. I'll risk being called dumb here. :-) Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to tell me - with either sentence. I get the topic you are addressing, but I am not sure what you wanted to tell us (me). Not trying to be a jerk here, I genuinely want to know! Best, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldha+FfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7LeCgD/aiusW6nO6JaTl/RnQ7ou/jfq gUq8mhS5xiaFRYpEHnUBAKR23ZsVejeQS8VSeZ2MSTcpcopvUHplhbVWiegE4Mnu =ijgN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 15:00:07 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C42EA44D96 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03128134C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDCIU-0000sE-S7 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:00:02 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:00:02 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:00:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Getting to Pi3 to work Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:57:09 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de X-Mozilla-News-Host: news://news.gmane.org:119 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:00:07 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Hey everyone! Has anyone here ever gotten a Pi3 to work with FreeBSD or NetBSD? I bought two of the little critters last week and have been trying to get either FreeBSD (which I use on my desktop and server @home) or NetBSD (because the ARM-port seems to be more mature) to run on them. However, with both images I can't get beyond the rainbow-screen. Will I be stuck with Raspbian or Arch for a while or is was there some memo with a trick that I didn't get? Kind regards, Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldhbMVfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7JWHAEAj81cGtJsbcdBGsn6sCMzU0Hq 197jSCxSJEGh/rKtmQUA/0vHcUsqFA1aVYVJtGL/2xCXCyZ/wGIvcV3eNDiZj1kP =SV9C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 15:05:06 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7863A31030 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8608F1863 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:05:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDCNL-0004lm-4e for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:05:03 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:05:03 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:05:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:03:27 +0200 Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4dnq5q1uOUtg29SwUxAwCMuXQ3GJDisi5" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:05:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4dnq5q1uOUtg29SwUxAwCMuXQ3GJDisi5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="SLkqCETaweWveLpi0F5hrIVrO6wkgIOxc" From: Christian Baer Newsgroups: g,m,a,n,e,.,o,s,.,f,r,e,e,b,s,d,.,q,u,e,s,t,i,o,n,s Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop References: In-Reply-To: --SLkqCETaweWveLpi0F5hrIVrO6wkgIOxc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/09/16 16:41, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> I wouldn't want to work with this on a daily basis, but having one of >> these laptops would definitely be cool and wonderfully nerdy! :-P >> > Search and you will find. Search where and for what? I went over the site pretty much but didn't find anything. I even wrote them an email but so far there was not answer= =2E Regards, Chris --SLkqCETaweWveLpi0F5hrIVrO6wkgIOxc-- --4dnq5q1uOUtg29SwUxAwCMuXQ3GJDisi5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iL4EAREKAGYFAldhbj9fFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7IV2AEAxidTTvw47SKSYy61SjnJgbc8 DZA2q1Vrs5KxZCxhM7kA/Au6E7oG2SlTUfPVHhbv1uwJUjgOIKRsA/BgSqPZXDVF =ArZJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4dnq5q1uOUtg29SwUxAwCMuXQ3GJDisi5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 15:10:05 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49BBA311E1 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A3EA1AB0 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:10:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDCSB-0000Ap-5c for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:10:03 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:10:03 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:10:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:05:22 +0200 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:10:05 -0000 On 06/09/16 20:43, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > If you're reading this message, then you can be absolutely certain that > the Intel Centrino 6205 chip---the kind shipped in the exact make and > model of the laptop the OP is interested in---works just fine with > FreeBSD. The 10.1-RELEASE installer automatically detected and > configured it. Did it require any additional firmware as another person stated? Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 15:34:58 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C01A318AF for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22c.google.com (mail-ob0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC685197A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:34:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ob0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id wj2so1377066obc.0 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:34:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jdlhvg3NJe0jSVMkIcJeBEYDCDiZN10q9hIGX/fUioM=; b=XmdELxk1Wev9KiUe9wdZfTd9dKlqZ1Kk9RQoJJn+v0t1ydb3O6N1nozDnylk/J/9lh ZtVNcL8tucm93VIiTYcDz/BC+K5FwGR/Rd5HD5H3gK/ZYhpNlLNhjxf5lKdHRPXwOkRL DCn3G0JyhzYdTodWfxW3PJky1DStmWzMtt/nqJ1q5XipK0I5ZCvj+3VuG7F5VvYvw826 4noPvd5J+8kez4Y1nGigXiz48FlBMLelY5KTwTf7BCDfHxomeNCrLbRGFtkL1YP318Fx zkqYVGixVhApvMSlFBWnUBZodDFCkoGey8HjYypL26g6trdLN3MDVQ42z9zYu6ogdNW9 35Eg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jdlhvg3NJe0jSVMkIcJeBEYDCDiZN10q9hIGX/fUioM=; b=OMut85V8IkwJ7QwYy8sNWJXLVNLGDRqceOYVBkHF9K0Q/oao+rJuTuSJF92qnh21tk NW2U/JLOQxcWPXw4mwKQEJIYrt3Jw+k7tb4VNsCqn9NZMqPhk1nuTkCFl6t94kLqMQaB aBG7zo/qYtcmFgTHPzz+I7j+1Ia521BEOEZPC5wqI8jVpcu5kB19ho6H8MuYO/jcpo7H OGmcEr/QUYsff9B7J5DjMBYR+E7SUo1E6zEi0Ux9QYqY5tVGswTudlXmcldYvaayHDPC EsKfMb/8PQ826aTT/1OGP4a3szeMdLZCOVWIwZsrQLEK4tThVL0lwFeKRhpyW21CmibY 3aLg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIaNdXXa63xxSHcMHt46X7FLDxYnmSU9EYXI/VS87pc+2hYhc/fiYrkBFYmi8oIcgPAF9dj0S9VjOM5dQ== X-Received: by 10.202.54.84 with SMTP id d81mr14613571oia.70.1466004894493; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.47.66 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:34:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Getting to Pi3 to work To: Christian Baer Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:34:59 -0000 On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 7:57 AM, Christian Baer < christian.baer@uni-dortmund.de> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hey everyone! > > Has anyone here ever gotten a Pi3 to work with FreeBSD or NetBSD? > > I bought two of the little critters last week and have been trying to > get either FreeBSD (which I use on my desktop and server @home) or > NetBSD (because the ARM-port seems to be more mature) to run on them. > However, with both images I can't get beyond the rainbow-screen. > > Will I be stuck with Raspbian or Arch for a while or is was there some > memo with a trick that I didn't get? > > Kind regards, > Chris > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) > > iL4EAREKAGYFAldhbMVfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl > bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDgzRDQzNjY2NUYzMDVBMTYxMDY0ODYwNzMy > MDIxMzQyODdFMUJGQjIACgkQMgITQofhv7JWHAEAj81cGtJsbcdBGsn6sCMzU0Hq > 197jSCxSJEGh/rKtmQUA/0vHcUsqFA1aVYVJtGL/2xCXCyZ/wGIvcV3eNDiZj1kP > =SV9C > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > > If you search the following phrases in Google separately , you will get many links : Pi3 to work with FreeBSD or NetBSD install freebsd on raspberry pi freebsd raspberry pi 3 netbsd raspberry pi 3 install netbsd on raspberry pi Perhaps some of links may be useful for you . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 15:35:45 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862B9A31942 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 408951A3F for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:35:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6C004F03 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/E6C004F03; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: Getting to Pi3 to work To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <108e755e-dba0-a564-35cc-9e05169dc25d@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:35:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bnc4ui7VmpOrulFVA5g3RRcNNLFr2lO7V" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:35:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --bnc4ui7VmpOrulFVA5g3RRcNNLFr2lO7V Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="DXnPKb8of0pUl4UVHlxs4KrK1P7cHhcaQ" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <108e755e-dba0-a564-35cc-9e05169dc25d@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Getting to Pi3 to work References: In-Reply-To: --DXnPKb8of0pUl4UVHlxs4KrK1P7cHhcaQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/15/16 15:57, Christian Baer wrote: > Has anyone here ever gotten a Pi3 to work with FreeBSD or NetBSD? >=20 > I bought two of the little critters last week and have been trying to > get either FreeBSD (which I use on my desktop and server @home) or > NetBSD (because the ARM-port seems to be more mature) to run on them. > However, with both images I can't get beyond the rainbow-screen. >=20 > Will I be stuck with Raspbian or Arch for a while or is was there some > memo with a trick that I didn't get? It's known not to work with FreeBSD (yet). There was talk at BSDCan and one of the people involved in a lot of the ARM64 related work was intending to look at getting FreeBSD to work on the RPi3. No idea about NetBSD. Cheers, Matthew --DXnPKb8of0pUl4UVHlxs4KrK1P7cHhcaQ-- --bnc4ui7VmpOrulFVA5g3RRcNNLFr2lO7V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXYXXGAAoJEABRPxDgqeTn+GAP/i2tSdErye8zXH22XBjdLxp3 oip5MA+zJ8ZgbrUo6RLqD4w1IIYZvC4bOczFUXMSe6QPW4J6DqNdnAfHgV+JprR+ 9gXrWXTe63WSs3aYsleme2F1FAkmzhYsPKBMEeMIPxv7o7CkJj61zKOjwBSWDVpW F2QjGQ1kM3LWRdSxNqaUj7G+1WI74mSw+4Q8abxm4dQoy/RxkxnudTKIsE+fchVC HjTdvDVE81firCnyaqk188TUx40sDt8DE7kCX8820uOrFXatyN14AsG1G5AEI9pu tX22G3f1onlK2AQeNCVkmBk8LAyrnSXUqHtupA5mofZ5GyKu9QfOENg4ZAai8+7D yjai0kgtyqWfGzV83OEMGGhXIOEsmOaN8d6UHgkFpat79TmS5+jELeKqpsg03uS5 Sqro8WAvakzVnLneiaQYByvouODJHLyyF10b85b/MfQyJFhVISnSSfPOnHsIc00f Peho4wnXBmvBECPMeeFy3ux6UOw2AzgEP1YPuSTpgRnXk2QxANYg6iw3YIAr/iXT DgCx1YdKHo6MJuE0RvdbGmN/7fhf2ycoAS4OV4Z7PHfHjSdbAdUgTC/TUQP3iTMJ Ip/vWc82f6qOQXpyHazF/vlXC18xtc6y71RwKFL40vI8kCk/lBWLCAcwxnmTy5qd LhcF3iNBwdE7Bd4nDVOa =yovr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bnc4ui7VmpOrulFVA5g3RRcNNLFr2lO7V-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 16:14:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FD7A455F3 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bshires@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x235.google.com (mail-qk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB00614EB for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bshires@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk0-x235.google.com with SMTP id s186so25412206qkc.1 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:message-id:date:to :mime-version; bh=O60Tlt2brp+5fU2sNRMUVq9z7hXNulavsk67m7quxJs=; b=Jzpni30WnhY4SYqyXfqNFM9vuJaJuK4wBBrIBsCd0autRASQT3cF1eWuLv33q54gzz ULRf3CiHKOVhby+dvVFB7O+CRwwp62J2yYDz1NLL4BATL9eSCZP8+cvQFr2wkAXR7Eft vysi391TOysuG8sMNEGr/GcDx+NdFta/uQ6bkgh9C0nGIWbRwnkEQPKq6ya0RLGtodP9 NQi66K6SwHtE6S9YG2FQgg+BtrGE4FV0WYvL87okfmVLge5dnQ2Mpx6TP//O6YvbsA9m WbPWQ6jBygXTGzML9iVmk/LaKNqnxmJZOWQ/bVT4repJmy/UN4qEll1SiGO/qoSGVhf8 kp6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:subject :message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=O60Tlt2brp+5fU2sNRMUVq9z7hXNulavsk67m7quxJs=; b=bhmx2uxL/laK3hTANU/t4KXy+/SnTKkbXLY0ZhsLsvHmaVkKdYRs6Zl1LrxefFWtzJ dOu+GhuGCccjsOk1MNZxkrsuNAELeuN7XKLk1KsrlbWMrv8AmzWOif2AbJAniXGdIOWy VvU61bOb+3yDRD1ee5iLAYQiAdaz7LOHhwYA2QakmEKabWH67en3aKrTcD+wdpVcbI2E ll2XGSULIkIYuwOzwr9AO+7nhxRuQzOgdsgRsLhtO/8qU8t39TMqVS7M0xrGMa1OlIeE 9SiCMZzqe1WyWELn7UaUw365ByDov7Zg/khlvpf4xgeAqYdboOfzl6lPdtZiJE5Uz980 CAIA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKoWCMDUIVqq1g2KjgJAxzo83H4PISAypiMXI0Ppe0WRSpnFNAfLfGl8Xzs2Z28Vg== X-Received: by 10.55.143.196 with SMTP id r187mr27274905qkd.128.1466007271072; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.7.13] (static-184-80-30-166.t1.cavtel.net. [184.80.30.166]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e3sm1927649qge.2.2016.06.15.09.14.30 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Bobb Shires Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: How to flush/clear dns cache? Message-Id: <7912A649-58D5-47A9-8FD5-816E5CE5F3C8@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:14:29 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:14:32 -0000 Hi, What is the FreeBSD equivalent of the windows command =E2=80=98ipconfig = /flushdns=E2=80=99? Thank you!= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 16:35:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4193FA45997 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:35:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.117.100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA4AD1DE4 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (unknown [85.199.232.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7B2414F63 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/7B2414F63; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: How to flush/clear dns cache? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7912A649-58D5-47A9-8FD5-816E5CE5F3C8@gmail.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:35:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7912A649-58D5-47A9-8FD5-816E5CE5F3C8@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NNRvwGKr7vbe0D22de0HMgihgjOj0UKks" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.99.2 at smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE, SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:35:23 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --NNRvwGKr7vbe0D22de0HMgihgjOj0UKks Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="O6axGjH2VT7bgr5FoJ08WuHxhsEg5KB3E" From: Matthew Seaman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to flush/clear dns cache? References: <7912A649-58D5-47A9-8FD5-816E5CE5F3C8@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7912A649-58D5-47A9-8FD5-816E5CE5F3C8@gmail.com> --O6axGjH2VT7bgr5FoJ08WuHxhsEg5KB3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/15/16 17:14, Bobb Shires wrote: > What is the FreeBSD equivalent of the windows command =E2=80=98ipconfig= /flushdns=E2=80=99? It depends. If you're running the local_unbound service[*], then you can achieve a similar effect by: # service local_unbound restart Otherwise: nothing. Unless you run some additional software specifically for this purpose, FreeBSD doesn't keep a local cache of DNS lookups, so there's nothing to do. Unless you want to start chasing the operators of the recursive resolvers you're using and ask them to flush their caches. (Hint: the answer will be 'no' unless you can show a good reason, like their caches having been poisoned or old data affecting a service that a lot of people use.) Cheers, Matthew [*] local_unbound is what is commonly used as it comes with the system but there's a number of alternatives you could use from ports. --O6axGjH2VT7bgr5FoJ08WuHxhsEg5KB3E-- --NNRvwGKr7vbe0D22de0HMgihgjOj0UKks Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXYYPAAAoJEABRPxDgqeTnzsIP/iX+cBG5DUzXvEv2AJ2ur4b3 HCCQ93k+V07r+nBjjClXv93zZe/iRXFY0Ypo2MEbM3+dl2iMI094xvqiJmS9L7ka vc47XScecZjC4orcTSsjzvJ815gaY5td9VYilcmNu7MHQ20s+hM6pWrf9dpnlysL lRScUcdyheVNatW32zNhRRtX7S80uCK9ZmT21wy+96ZPIjO+q1A6sVknW73jqxct RigA+nMtbGCYa4pzhNG8+Pdhu1NV43iJUaC0XTIJdPOFVn1fE+EyYdCGFRm9GIaF l7aIaWE21eXcfVmznStIOOig8IBonBHSL95nUHWBJ7yaAnR+aZyjl6wARpWKpw1n awEQakuO8Ci007PbdeuvNnSpBAoY/HDx29y01gGoPWQrV2ywEXDhsHmm6TQ2jlYu Twev3af8vS3nfs8FwqVwyESJZzhJ0mcY9ZjAgmbDczbI1Rji5LdYFLcadyYXBKSs iSv69ePJSSVLydv4FFmrq5ag3YIn0Gd63hIAp+jXpFKY0RIjVEgAnCc94+Pl8ugW Foub/5DU86TDj3f3q5Lq2nQvSk4lF6tB+K6uzyd3QNkn3inG8dO70iIGOgiePNi/ ulVzV4C4p1FSkvsqI2DHExiUrcxrGNuoQ/Jhc6Co8diZzIMfzVHtf8FTqXUDCAtE g8SSiqSAUCNYLGyP/C+5 =0UZU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NNRvwGKr7vbe0D22de0HMgihgjOj0UKks-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 16:55:32 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9DDA45F7E for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hopelife367@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU004-OMC4S17.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s17.hotmail.com [65.55.111.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "Microsoft IT SSL SHA2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93AA719C3 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 16:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hopelife367@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU436-SMTP103 ([65.55.111.136]) by BLU004-OMC4S17.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:54:25 -0700 X-TMN: [QW6vzUThBT9M+lKRUV9yY9mJSGq9UKm44JkCwVEpABo=] X-Originating-Email: [hopelife367@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Opinion Outpost Subject: Online Survey....Apply Now!!! 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U.S.A Attn: Robert Walsh From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 17:02:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21785A471B5 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:02:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB0311EB1 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDECy-0002RR-Ou for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:02:28 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:02:28 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:02:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:02:15 +0200 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> <5759E44E.1020402@holgerdanske.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <5759E44E.1020402@holgerdanske.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:02:33 -0000 On 06/09/16 23:49, David Christensen wrote: > My comment is based on my experiences with desktops and servers. I > discovered HDD mobile racks years ago, and have not dual booted since. > My laptop has an easily-accessible HDD bay (2 screws), so I use the same > strategy. (Note that laptop HDD bays and connectors are not designed > for frequent drive swapping. Second HDD caddies that fit into the > optical drive bay are usually recommended for this use case.) I have actually never seen any of these caddies in action. But I may quite frequently change from on OS to another which is why I didn't like the concept of changing the HDs. As you stated, they are not made for this kind of wear. > If you're happy with dual-boot, then go for it. Maybe happy isn't the word of choice, but thusfar, it has worked for me. >> May I ask why you went to all the trouble researching the hardware an >> then never bought that laptop your wanted? > I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 that I bought in 2007. Mine came with a > 32-bit processor, and, as best I could tell, they all did. I wanted > 64-bit. So, I started looking for a replacement laptop. STFW I found > out that certain later model 64-bit Core Duo processors were known to > work in that laptop. I bought a Intel Core Duo T7400, installed it, and > it works. Ok, that is a way of doing it, I guess. Could you also enlarge the RAM to really profit from the 64 bit CPU? > I can only infer that the leaders of most for-profit corporations > believe that the best way to monetize their intellectual property > investments is by treating them as trade secrets. "You want to use our > hardware? Sign the NDA, License, and Support agreements, and write a > check." > Even if a company (such as NVIDIA) releases a binary driver that "works" > for their engineers on a given computer (proprietary software and/or > FOSS), getting and keeping the hardware working in the general case > without unencumbered vendor assistance is difficult at best. So what you are saying is that nVidia Chips will work fine with the drivers provided by nVidia but I am at the mercy of them, should they decide to drop the support? > Intel makes it less difficult by releasing reference source code for > some of their hardware. So, more software works on that Intel hardware. AMD is following a similar strategy - if you believe the press releases. Although their opensource drivers have been in the works for a while now (with AMD working on them too), they are still a fair bit away from where nVidia is with their closedsource drivers. I would actually also prefer an open driver, because then older hardware will be supported for much longer and an update of X will usually not break the system (or the driver), however, the drivers for AMD cards were not really ready for production when I bought my last graphics board. > One alternative to the trade secret approach is open-source hardware: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_hardware_projects#Computer_systems Nothing too spectacular in that list. Actually, there isn't even anything really current. :-( > (I'm in the market for an open-source hardware SOHO router that runs > pfSense, if anyone knows of such.) I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. :-) Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 17:57:11 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36089A47CD3 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:57:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFCFC1C83 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:57:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bDF3s-0004X8-2M for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:57:08 +0200 Received: from p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([80.153.186.48]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:57:08 +0200 Received: from christian.baer by p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:57:08 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Baer Subject: Re: Getting Pi3 to work with BSD Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 19:57:02 +0200 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5099ba30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 17:57:11 -0000 On 06/15/16 17:34, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > If you search the following phrases in Google separately , you will get > many links : > > Pi3 to work with FreeBSD or NetBSD > install freebsd on raspberry pi > freebsd raspberry pi 3 > netbsd raspberry pi 3 > install netbsd on raspberry pi > > > Perhaps some of links may be useful for you . If there had been something useful, I wouldn't have asked here... As Matthew wrote, FreeBSD currently does not work on a Pi3. There was no such definite statement behind any of the links I ran into. Regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jun 15 18:12:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D173A4708B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 406081684 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from ::ffff:99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:11:49 -0700 Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <57586E36.40509@holgerdanske.com> <5759E44E.1020402@holgerdanske.com> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <57619A65.5030801@holgerdanske.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:11:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:12:04 -0000 On 06/15/2016 10:02 AM, Christian Baer wrote: > On 06/09/16 23:49, David Christensen wrote: >> I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 that I bought in 2007. Mine came with a >> 32-bit processor, and, as best I could tell, they all did. I wanted >> 64-bit. So, I started looking for a replacement laptop. STFW I found >> out that certain later model 64-bit Core Duo processors were known to >> work in that laptop. I bought a Intel Core Duo T7400, installed it, and >> it works. > > Ok, that is a way of doing it, I guess. Could you also enlarge the RAM > to really profit from the 64 bit CPU? I upgraded the RAM to 2 @ 1 GB modules several years ago, which was the Dell specified maximum. (STFW there are rumors that 2 @ 2 GB works.) There are other aspects that I'd like to improve, but I've reached the point of diminishing returns. The laptop works well enough for e-mail, browsing, office applications, and light tinkering, so I just keep using it. > So what you are saying is that nVidia Chips will work fine with the > drivers provided by nVidia but I am at the mercy of them, should they > decide to drop the support? The NVIDIA drivers should work with the hardware and software systems NVIDIA has designed and tested them for. If/ when you find yourself outside that scope of support, then your NVIDIA hardware cannot be expected to work. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 00:18:04 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F57A47BAB for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:18:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nan@chinadtrace.org) Received: from cp-41.webhostbox.net (cp-41.webhostbox.net [209.99.16.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D7481773 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:18:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nan@chinadtrace.org) Received: from ztxe01hpics305.austin.hp.com ([15.65.252.15]:57022 helo=XIAONA1) by cp-41.webhostbox.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bDL0G-000taU-2W; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:17:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:17:48 +0800 From: "Nan Xiao" To: dweimer , eirnym Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Re: How to use sqlite3 in python on FreeBSD 10.3? 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Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 In-Reply-To: <108e755e-dba0-a564-35cc-9e05169dc25d@freebsd.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:25:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Lck284V0oXXe1VePrln1AxF5wEmWqIC8f Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="uQRR4HbvITxiu8Pl6v9tAxq6pFrw7lkWa" From: Christian Baer Newsgroups: g,m,a,n,e,.,o,s,.,f,r,e,e,b,s,d,.,q,u,e,s,t,i,o,n,s Subject: Re: Getting to Pi3 to work References: <108e755e-dba0-a564-35cc-9e05169dc25d@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <108e755e-dba0-a564-35cc-9e05169dc25d@freebsd.org> --uQRR4HbvITxiu8Pl6v9tAxq6pFrw7lkWa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/15/16 17:35, Matthew Seaman wrote: > It's known not to work with FreeBSD (yet). There was talk at BSDCan an= d > one of the people involved in a lot of the ARM64 related work was > intending to look at getting FreeBSD to work on the RPi3. No idea abou= t > NetBSD. Thanks for the info, Matt! In that case I will stop trying so hard. :-) Cheers! 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[79.219.187.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ae10sm24284wjc.13.2016.06.16.06.25.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jun 2016 06:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: vt console To: Stari Karp , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5524302.HdIPqapjz5@lumiwa.farm.net> From: cpghost Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:25:57 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5524302.HdIPqapjz5@lumiwa.farm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:26:02 -0000 On 06/04/16 13:14, Stari Karp wrote: > Hi! > > My system: > FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Sat May 28 12:23:44 UTC 2016 root@amd64- > builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC > > I am searching still on web for the answer why I cannot have the same > resolution in console as I have on KDE when I swith from KDE to console (I had > on FreeBSD 10.2). In /boot/loader.conf I have: > kern.vty="vt" On my system, I have this in my /boot/loader.conf: kern.vty="vt" kern.vt.fb.default_mode="1280x1024" The console switches to higher resolution as soon as I *manually* # kldload radeonkms which pulls in this, among others: 13 1 0xffffffff82039000 1165b3 radeonkms.ko 18 1 0xffffffff821a9000 1070 radeonkmsfw_RS780_pfp.ko 19 1 0xffffffff821ab000 5b6e radeonkmsfw_RS780_me.ko 20 1 0xffffffff821b1000 1369 radeonkmsfw_R600_rlc.ko after this, I can freely switch from X to console, and the console stays in high res mode too. 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[79.219.187.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h8sm44037470wjg.9.2016.06.16.07.56.23 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 16 Jun 2016 07:56:23 -0700 (PDT) To: FreeBSD Questions From: cpghost Subject: ZFS forensics (mapping sector # to file name) Message-ID: <2b478742-ba3a-7f05-56ea-88f6aca1a9db@cordula.ws> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:56:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 14:56:26 -0000 Hello ZFS gurus/admins, how do you map a sector # to a ZFS object? Or, more concretely: Suppose I'm inspecting a disk /dev/ada0p4[.eli] that belongs to a zpool, and there's something interesting in sector #123456. How do I determine to which file, directory, etc... on which ZFS dataset this sector belongs, or if this sector belongs to a deleted file (unallocated sector), or to something that was there all along before the disk got reformatted to ZFS? Any ideas? Forensics tools? Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 16:10:26 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBA1A73F4B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:10:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew.ahrens@delphix.com) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D98B01E26 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:10:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew.ahrens@delphix.com) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id h190so48976415ith.1 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:10:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=delphix.com; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MsopEnsiHiwfrOOTZUHDvWxKduSe6MeH7dQDkQW4qlk=; b=bDImkbkb5ERtaWwEP1uTEcWr4scLWV0ryyDfb3IwHYYc/GBe/qJn2R6Tsdxl/xPhss hFxpCDeVupgnhLgXRgp3g2jmR2PNj5ouxiMaX67FsvKl9BIljDEX/OGuD/rhUwScWvMC t954EhhzcAhtY/FpKu5WA8yQFRM5Fk3qdgk1A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MsopEnsiHiwfrOOTZUHDvWxKduSe6MeH7dQDkQW4qlk=; b=RBy0EwVkwPr3/Kn5utx9c4+Bih5a0WstQmM2azmXOnQumdhOb/BlwtTl3hVft664G1 XuCwN1jD3+6x42/cw49Gl2lIBritsUne7a5Gg79OyG8O+X1cUdA8n1La0mSgUyGISTHf 7SpSHVntm+j3mNM7WHFKWLbD4m6ROezaamGZ4I+6pRGDFlqQuHJtIPZ7mqyskXQwFfKH WySPG6PE5F2xnLtEQBlwsT7Ykj2cY1a62AtrV1olhD4GmZTJgAyLp3dD3DMGqoHOn8w7 dhYC6B+xH4NJ0EO79Qqv03muZd699jpOriWWU2TMnA79yVZHd7Bi5QW0b5bgYqsSD3VP ECaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIkF7p+Ij1VyghDLJeoz7uNYfYyx5XwLUHPdJi90Mgod+Kf8DVBrxG+ytnGWFf2cJdxGBVHS9/dkb2I6YsH X-Received: by 10.36.50.10 with SMTP id j10mr9420406ita.27.1466093424940; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:10:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.103.140 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Ahrens Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:10:26 -0000 *Matthew Seaman Wrote:* > Suffice it to say though that there is already fix for those 'Oh No! I > really didn't mean to type "zfs add" there' moments in the upstream > OpenZFS repo > That's unfortunately not the case. Device removal has been implemented in Delphix but not yet upstreamed to OpenZFS / illumos. We hope to upstream it in the next 6 months. > You get a grace period within which you can undo that sort of > mistake. > With device removal, there is no pre-set "grace period"; you can remove a device even long after it has been added (though of course it might have more data stored on it which will take longer to move). --matt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 17:34:33 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD259A76A9B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp1.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89ACC1661 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:34:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1bDawT-00033l-SI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:18:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.86_2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bDawc-000PVV-FR for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:19:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:18:56 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS: Is 'zpool add' really irreversible? Message-Id: <20160616181856.caac932154898e8e7f5d93c5@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.24.29; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:34:33 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:10:24 -0400 Matthew Ahrens wrote: > *Matthew Seaman Wrote:* > > > Suffice it to say though that there is already fix for those 'Oh No! I > > really didn't mean to type "zfs add" there' moments in the upstream > > OpenZFS repo > > > > That's unfortunately not the case. Device removal has been implemented in > Delphix but not yet upstreamed to OpenZFS / illumos. We hope to upstream > it in the next 6 months. Very nice, now all we need is extending raidz(x) vdevs with some kind of background restripe of existing data and all sane manipulations are possible. I'm not holding my breath for that one, and would not be surprised if it never happens, but it would be handy. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 18:06:08 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CD6A7742F for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com (mail-io0-f177.google.com [209.85.223.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5651E53 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-f177.google.com with SMTP id f30so49205219ioj.2 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=vnpqpaZXHqukEbspHE+Ll8igA47/qNPve6NSNO4sn0o=; b=KGHq4LLC6/DZd+7xe3EtqifJdIVrWDanxko30RRHCvOuM0fvIuAWydaUyUnB3lnKdD xzgX6CMIqnQfFJiWOlxkUIR7hcCi/B3okF1BRFOjwQ2CYGRBFVPqOtglYnnocQyO9d7O UTnzlXXfljLm2EX4tO0BfLvhiQTd3ZYwXyKlACVAwR3NsyzyR5AcBMqT700MBX5rdI7L 7MdOYNbLDDGif4yp78XXRy859mZqNm1PvwIf3RCV+oGUveWgsTN09YaQ6HJ+ZSUmtLGz eo9t3mXmZ4nE40hZm8cDjdui+baTCOSntYtpW3n/xRbXkIdulnEb8fobA/YKRIiP10zf sBwQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tK+HvNMk6Y9ImAlzjnGnlO9l3RHzNo9dgUuZ8UGdI/sEBT7WUQKuau8jaQVVqC8KA== X-Received: by 10.107.205.8 with SMTP id d8mr9895557iog.113.1466100361912; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (63-231-155-110.mpls.qwest.net. [63.231.155.110]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t73sm7285556ita.12.2016.06.16.11.06.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT) References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Christian Baer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:06:00 -0500 Message-ID: <86fusdj9fb.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:06:09 -0000 Christian Baer writes: > On 06/09/16 20:43, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > >> If you're reading this message, then you can be absolutely certain that >> the Intel Centrino 6205 chip---the kind shipped in the exact make and >> model of the laptop the OP is interested in---works just fine with >> FreeBSD. The 10.1-RELEASE installer automatically detected and >> configured it. > > Did it require any additional firmware as another person stated? No, it's handled by the iwn(4) driver. -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 18:32:25 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9762DA77C2B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7620D2FA2 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:32:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 9D87DCB8C9C; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.52.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <55352.128.135.52.6.1466101939.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <86fusdj9fb.fsf@WorkBox.Home> References: <861t478ppu.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <45577.128.135.52.6.1465422185.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <19828.128.135.52.6.1465484549.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <864m9242zh.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <86fusdj9fb.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:32:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: advice for buying a laptop From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" Cc: "Christian Baer" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:32:25 -0000 On Thu, June 16, 2016 1:06 pm, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > Christian Baer writes: > >> On 06/09/16 20:43, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: >> >>> If you're reading this message, then you can be absolutely certain that >>> the Intel Centrino 6205 chip---the kind shipped in the exact make and >>> model of the laptop the OP is interested in---works just fine with >>> FreeBSD. The 10.1-RELEASE installer automatically detected and >>> configured it. >> >> Did it require any additional firmware as another person stated? > > No, it's handled by the iwn(4) driver. > I've seen Intel Centrino 6205 with this driver working happily (under FreeBSD 9.3) with whatever firmware comes with that system, whereas 6235 not. That was what that other person could have mean (or was I that other person?) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 22:49:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45EFA77238 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-f169.google.com (mail-io0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB7D62D37 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:49:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io0-f169.google.com with SMTP id f30so55198486ioj.2 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:49:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:references:user-agent:from:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=YF7LYPp7NBdymQJC+qOZgm1uaiqxiGnHvBVwKe4JItY=; b=Hk8l2OBsOHMwVXeVE1hb3/dXqMIsXCeC6Rgs+2Iz3QTB352pqlh2ZkpJfP1M26g++a xBtU0IdYkvDD9hlG0ZwZi+xA9Sqjj7PQj0eQhbSX5mLa0TBv1FtL0lX91QCUSgXyy6dd hNzcL0NS5lO/aTybJax5gxaaf3C69cVAisB6/lKGjLYy2ib5cBfympTZffRU3obE5qGK GrZHPFJv1CH6vKj1BBw2CIZLaOWzlphrSp2RU0yYbH6Bx6qrJDCJ4+BStF+dqkv2I0iW LcBGGLT8T6eYyfarJZzDGCbLc98XGsL8uapckHWAmI5KD7IKagTecqpqBegPWGsbAP1p 4pFg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKSLll4eW6qMKaNVRmC2tlYdzw8wg/739BZTP2wZj/FM+m7O71VL+e1avpgratrvA== X-Received: by 10.107.39.144 with SMTP id n138mr11609508ion.145.1466117057475; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (63-231-155-110.mpls.qwest.net. [63.231.155.110]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z134sm4794862iod.41.2016.06.16.15.44.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:44:16 -0700 (PDT) References: User-agent: mu4e 0.9.16; emacs 24.5.1 From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: jungle Boogie Cc: Luca Ferrari , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: rsync or git backups? In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:44:16 -0500 Message-ID: <86d1ngkb3z.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:49:53 -0000 jungle Boogie writes: > On 1 June 2016 at 01:35, Luca Ferrari wrote: >> >> Any suggestion? > > > Obviously the first choice is zfs snapshots but if you're like me, > that's not a choice. > > I'd recommend something like borg backup: > https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/ > http://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ > > It's a python written app that will dedup your data so there's a > chance it can compress and dedup your large datasets very nicely. > > The maintainer is very active with keeping it current and 1.0.3 is > available in ports/pkg: > http://www.freshports.org/archivers/py-borgbackup/ > > As you will see in the documentation, you can make a script and call > it with cron however often/irregular you would like and have it also > prune. > > I think it's worth trying out for your use case. I'd like to add my thanks to this thread. I didn't know about Borg, but after a week of using it I have to say I'm very impressed. It should be noted that Borg currently only builds from ports on systems that have Python 3 set as the default (which is not the default on a vanilla FreeBSD install), so there is no package avaiable for it (the official Poudriere build server just ignores it). If you're running a 64-bit system and don't want to mess around with potentially rebuilding a bunch of ports with non-default settings, you can download a pre-built binary for it from the project's GitHub page: https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/releases -- :: Brandon J. Wandersee :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: -------------------------------------------------- :: 'The best design is as little design as possible.' :: --- Dieter Rams ---------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 22:59:13 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C67A77616 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:59:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from forward4h.cmail.yandex.net (forward4h.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f35::14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Yandex CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B23DE12C7 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from starikarp@yandex.com) Received: from smtp4h.mail.yandex.net (smtp4h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.186.21]) by forward4h.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id D66CE21386; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:58:59 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp4h.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 651A82C128A; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:58:59 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp4h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id 6hBsxnFO03-wvo4E9Vc; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:58:58 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1466117938; bh=VZG9JEzgPwelHObsoXyKmxz+0uAgNPSGEoFlSA8Ow6I=; h=Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References: Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ZMGydAt5/NIh7PZCR06F1FfCYlqpaX2f/wwwHkC/aVSVo5q/SkPxWRuP42UtQDTuh 3HqHsafPQNWL3F6YlpwqK+7rFdLCheliAOLDE6/FLiwSbggNuoTft9bqAmPc5OOAHy wn+/irZXCEdh1N0mMGaUsVX+B0nzHUNiZGSZwdfE= Authentication-Results: smtp4h.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0,1 0 Message-ID: <1466117935.8068.2.camel@yandex.com> Subject: Re: vt console From: Stari Karp To: cpghost , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:58:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <5524302.HdIPqapjz5@lumiwa.farm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 22:59:13 -0000 On Thu, 2016-06-16 at 15:25 +0200, cpghost wrote: > On 06/04/16 13:14, Stari Karp wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > My system: > > FreeBSD 10.3-RELEASE-p5 #0: Sat May 28 12:23:44 UTC 2016     root@a > > md64- > > builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  > > > > I am searching still on web for the answer why I cannot have the > > same  > > resolution in console as I have on KDE when I swith from KDE to > > console (I had  > > on FreeBSD 10.2). In /boot/loader.conf I have: > > kern.vty="vt" > On my system, I have this in my /boot/loader.conf: > > kern.vty="vt" > kern.vt.fb.default_mode="1280x1024" > > The console switches to higher resolution as soon as I *manually* > > # kldload radeonkms > > which pulls in this, among others: > > 13    1 0xffffffff82039000 1165b3   radeonkms.ko > 18    1 0xffffffff821a9000 1070     radeonkmsfw_RS780_pfp.ko > 19    1 0xffffffff821ab000 5b6e     radeonkmsfw_RS780_me.ko > 20    1 0xffffffff821b1000 1369     radeonkmsfw_R600_rlc.ko > > after this, I can freely switch from X to console, and the console > stays in high res mode too. > > Hope it helps... > > -cpghost. > I had default_mode also in the /boot/loader.conf but didn't work.  I didn't have problem on FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE (amd64) but when I  upgrade to 10.3-RELEASE stopped working. I did new install of FreeBSD 10.3- RELEASE(amd64) and result is the same: doesn't work. Thank you anyway. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 23:38:23 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E1DA77EBA for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from diewolfsschanze@yahoo.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06952265E for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from diewolfsschanze@yahoo.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 05FBEA77EB9; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A77A77EB8 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from diewolfsschanze@yahoo.com) Received: from nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm24-vm4.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.136.217.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2FEA265D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:38:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from diewolfsschanze@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1466120137; bh=Usq6fQEh8NhWGbyV3dUgoRxVQfaBQjV54C9BSxgkTUQ=; h=From:Date:Subject:To:From:Subject; b=hDoAH41wF9h8wTWhHvPXDpnoAWo10K9TDokvgyQNbNZoNuRqVlG5KPUQVcvVKHMkg4ilCpjTxQD1E1reAfwqCopDxq7lRav9SutzzLyZB+Q+MsOWb67Y6SyIfKHXGeNqC+MBB0RIMxw4HVXShvypNW0DcWVjM83RO7hROPWgOOm3c8S3WWLp6hByHbMTlxGAypzRnyvRJyDhoehqVfdByEVF7D6oiDnBE06Q46wiR/hA8mpTd397e+F7WNOZu1ZgexZ/jEoMuZ1ZdwqSeVRIx34R2nBck7Eukfa5FVn4raxMWSpDGQqtMxzpGNwsRIi4j4asFRWgjz/6JEsqdt5xCQ== Received: from [98.137.12.191] by nm24.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2016 23:35:37 -0000 Received: from [98.136.164.76] by tm12.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2016 23:35:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp238.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2016 23:35:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 852311.83944.bm@smtp238.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: I4QqufgVM1njPdo6SiPkLAnEdBAnc1R4Cn_QrV9PwMtIybh .ufO6x4IvohijXOGTDjxqzeiK2P_STegOUzAQRsn12_CdWhMUD.8oozOv2X1 ctMMzLaEEFZh8_c4wic5f2tXH1ldBmHkV9Lez0ncEfY.BqQG_EWWJkKsvWOL VZ1CGYkdc11Gnvmdk0iMvpX8gjKh3uif6yPlLxdFNYfjuCH5A6MCVg05Xg0E 0e.TZpkcdW5I88o4LDBSwfrvVVq4TiH3MvlLYjQM3Y938yshS5U8JXPqNIWF uAT3LRZlcISQyKSClsjF3yflkqslE3cf5BofdZrzcLesml1ivFQ4h6IqqV6J pNChgBCz9R9t4vY9BFCsBsCICs7X7Mjcejp75OXED8laqMoA1Y3bK2Vv86CI X4_6AThMK0vRm16NwVKxXF.n09XRvGCYO_nTMMYZUs186_nxJOZrhR45VvRG 3q..YA6jSNHSd1GSW92fteg8r0tgsUs0K3_NWWkWrP5tzj1Qxwa3n0hFnl1H 6RRK1Vgpfeg7nQklX1twA1saUVqgg9HJs_kdZieU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: XBx8IYmswBAYat9zyH8yWVx0IFLnT93Ea1Hvaw-- From: john drake Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:35:37 -0700 Subject: gcc-4.8.4_3 Message-Id: <78CEDABA-2A7F-4361-B626-D05CB2F966A0@yahoo.com> To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13F69) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:38:23 -0000 Am running FreeBSD 10.2 and installed gcc-4.8.4_3 After installation received the following message from bcc: for linking use -Wl,=20 -rparh=3D/usr/local/lib/gcc48 For ports leveraging USE_GCC,=20 USES=3Dcompiler, or USES=3Dfortran, this happens transparently. (1). What does this mean, and how do I make it happen transparently? How do= I actually implement the USE approach? (2). Can I make this transparent by altering the path command by adding /usr= /local/lib/gcc48? (3) Please supply me with answers to both approaches and their relative ad= vantages/disadvantages? (4). Also, supply me with the best approach. Sent from my iPhone= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 00:48:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E111CA4430D for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christofer.c.bell@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk0-x22a.google.com (mail-vk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A6501F8E for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christofer.c.bell@gmail.com) Received: by mail-vk0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id d185so96426917vkg.0 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:48:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=HQfrd4nacS7jvuvXlvoKIbcIicgCJjJAYh8qDvvx8x0=; b=v0czHBQeHu1ExXELlT8qcw/PsUg7LoUgXjPm/5vd4nKMixJbo5tZu64shy82dkWfHm bjUgJlW75AeM6ooK72mwZemUzPjOdoZzsQSYTLc5tV6ndpLbsITnIW8o5B4ZRoTBO+MB DmGL3Nyd/kqnnUfCPaW/RTFkKHtf6PVSUnDPA+0Pg/TOmhhS7XWtLi+GxVIQ0A/k8WiN zmaCHRWCdX507fhl+Mz1SGJ+XiIc0wns9zQzxuBYpM9YgXF9oGkR16QiDs/bcykKxfP3 qgfpeNyE4nJRfEDN2qZPL0H1VXbr/ZyOUpmyQT/MMOk+U1E5WPH700S8EUeVDRDxTB6N 2D/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=HQfrd4nacS7jvuvXlvoKIbcIicgCJjJAYh8qDvvx8x0=; b=C4KUa6CNGYwPS1U9o/ySKYojBFUDBjpFRLpXq4qzpsA+a9YOmp+Sz8PT6V3dcOdj+d rZauXu1eoT1pv4+636kF1gGYgdDJBZuDVxjmboRmKZwCBKE/v9n3+mU/AHU9e2xT+TU4 RYB5Xo34p5GyEqbD0UWyobLpDWFfegZFQxDJHF2u1LTHiFwDbI+ytaBafwVhN/NiXYV5 uhT7m++GWBywP2S9MZ/CiUP9mu3ofq/d6JY4bMK+I0XwZA0+eyS8Of4MUI1bXVbJQZaY Kw+jQt6JyYOVAU4gXdp7NneRhMsUr4AJ4hHa1ty4a/9pw1NfxQMTwv5UICDTs+96Drdr OAEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKmjM2bwPbG8O2L+usoGCNszlPq42A63Rsvf0kEEUc+OpfZX19dpSgHuoOtntWzfUTyprWOPQuFtwz8Iw== X-Received: by 10.31.200.196 with SMTP id y187mr3431131vkf.125.1466124525165; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:48:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.46.18 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:48:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2016061617295799990412@chinadtrace.org> References: <2016061617295799990412@chinadtrace.org> From: "Christofer C. Bell" Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:48:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A question about using portsnanp to upgrade ports tree To: Nan Xiao , FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:48:47 -0000 You will still need to do the extract. If you try to upgrade a ports tree that has not previously been installed by portsnap, it will give you an error message telling you to do an extract. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:30 AM, Nan Xiao wrote: > Hi all, > > Greetings from me! I have a question about using portsnap. > > After reading Using the Ports Collection in handbook, per my > understanding, if /usr/ports/* is not empty > after installing FreeBSD: > > /usr/ports # ls > .arcconfig Mk audio distfiles hebrew > multimedia print x11 > .gitignore README benchmarks dns hungarian > net russian x11-clocks > ..... > > I only need to use "portsnanp fetch update" to upgrade ports tree, no > necessary to do "portsnanp fetch extract". > > Is my understanding right? Thanks very much in advance! > > > > Best Regards > Nan Xiao (=E8=82=96=E6=A5=A0) > Skype: xiaonan19830818 > Jabber/XMPP: nanxiao@xmpp.ru.net > Telegram: nanxiao > Personal website (Chinese): http://nanxiao.me/ > Personal website (English): http://nanxiao.me/en > Chinese DTrace website: http://chinadtrace.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --=20 Chris "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the Universe." -- Carl Sagan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 02:39:46 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A60FA47C7A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2C9137D for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 05D25A47C79; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031FEA47C78 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAAA137C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp14-2-37-105.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([14.2.37.105]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 17 Jun 2016 12:03:02 +0930 Subject: Re: gcc-4.8.4_3 To: john drake , questions@freebsd.org References: <78CEDABA-2A7F-4361-B626-D05CB2F966A0@yahoo.com> From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <5763615C.70900@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:03:00 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <78CEDABA-2A7F-4361-B626-D05CB2F966A0@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:39:46 -0000 On 17/06/2016 09:05, john drake via freebsd-questions wrote: > Am running FreeBSD 10.2 and installed gcc-4.8.4_3 > > After installation received the following message from bcc: > for linking use -Wl, > -rparh=/usr/local/lib/gcc48 > > For ports leveraging USE_GCC, > USES=compiler, or > USES=fortran, > this happens transparently. Firstly this only applies to using the FreeBSD ports system. For a project that you manually compile within your home folder this will not help. See the porters handbook for help creating a port - https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/ > (1). What does this mean, and how do I make it happen transparently? > How do I actually implement the USE approach? In a port's Makefile you can add USE_GCC=4.8+ and the port will be built using gcc v4.8 or higher. The ports infrastructure adds the relevant settings to environment variables for this to work. See /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gcc.mk There is also USE=compiler:ARGS for a more flexible approach. This allows a port to specify it needs a compiler that supports C++11 and a version of gcc or clang that supports c++11 will be chosen. See /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/compiler To work, both of these options rely on the projects build system respecting environment variables such as CC CXX CFLAGS CXXFLAGS... patches sometimes need to be applied otherwise. USE=fortran is similar but only applies to using gcc or ifort as the compiler when the project uses fortran. > (2). Can I make this transparent by altering the path command by > adding /usr/local/lib/gcc48? In most cases, adding one of the above options to a port's Makefile is all that is needed. > (3) Please supply me with answers to both approaches and their > relative advantages/disadvantages? USE_GCC - specifies that only gcc can be used on this project. USE=compiler - is more flexible as gcc or clang may be used as long as it supports the features you need for the project. The USE=compiler also allows a user to set FAVORITE_COMPILER in their make.conf to influence the compiler chosen. > (4). Also, supply me with the best approach. That's a matter of opinion with some dependency on the way the project is compiled. I would say USE=compiler is a better option but some projects will only compile with gcc so need to have USE_GCC -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 02:54:30 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AA4A771B9 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:54:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nan@chinadtrace.org) Received: from cp-41.webhostbox.net (cp-41.webhostbox.net [209.99.16.15]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EDE281DE0 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nan@chinadtrace.org) Received: from ztxe01hpics305.austin.hp.com ([15.65.252.15]:53991 helo=XIAONA1) by cp-41.webhostbox.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1bDjvH-0033G8-3x; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:54:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:54:19 +0800 From: "Nan Xiao" To: "Christofer C. 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Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:37:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: A question about using portsnanp to upgrade ports tree To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <2016061617295799990412@chinadtrace.org> From: Steve Burton Message-ID: <76c65abc-0c59-6798-58e6-bc53a6b18885@sliderule.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 06:38:07 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2016061617295799990412@chinadtrace.org> X-MDF-HostID: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:44:36 -0000 On 16/06/2016 10:30, Nan Xiao wrote: > Hi all, > > Greetings from me! I have a question about using portsnap. > > After reading Using the Ports Collection in handbook, per my understanding, if /usr/ports/* is not empty > after installing FreeBSD: > > /usr/ports # ls > .arcconfig Mk audio distfiles hebrew multimedia print x11 > .gitignore README benchmarks dns hungarian net russian x11-clocks > ..... > > I only need to use "portsnanp fetch update" to upgrade ports tree, no necessary to do "portsnanp fetch extract". > > Is my understanding right? Thanks very much in advance! > > > > Best Regards > Nan Xiao (肖楠) > Skype: xiaonan19830818 > Jabber/XMPP: nanxiao@xmpp.ru.net > Telegram: nanxiao > Personal website (Chinese): http://nanxiao.me/ > Personal website (English): http://nanxiao.me/en > Chinese DTrace website: http://chinadtrace.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi, you need to run 'portsnap fetch update' once only to populate the ports. Thereafter, run 'portsnap fetch update' to keep them up to date. Steve. 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Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:55:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF60F1292 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:55:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-96-188.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.96.188]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CA8F3D8ED; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:54:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id u5HFsqNC003479; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:54:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:54:52 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Manish Jain Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: USB scanner under Virtualbox Message-Id: <20160617175452.a3591e39.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:55:03 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:41:33 +0000, Manish Jain wrote: > I have a USB scanner (Canon MG2470 All In One printer, which I use > purely as a scanner) which is software-triggered - the software is > for Windows only. I also have three scanners where the software is for "Windows" only, and I use them with FreeBSD software. :-) Have you checked if you can use the scanner with CUSE directly from FreeBSD? I know the "things" manufactured by Canon often don't play nice regarding that task. > What are the chances that I will be able to get the scanner to work > under Virtualbox XP? Basic USB 1.0 support (probably sufficient for the scanner) should be provided by Virtualbox without problems. Just make sure the user you're running Virtualbox from is a member of the "vboxusers" group. In the Virtualbox configuration dialog, check "Enable USB Controller". The device should then be listed. Attention! I do not know if there are conflicts when accessing the same USB device both from the host and the VM instance that runs the guest OS... you need to actually verify this. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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I just hit the 'y' to fast so that was my error. To correct this I deleted the package and then did an autoremove so the xfce install would bring back any updates. So was my thinking anyway. gtk3 and webkit came back as: gtk-xfce-engine-3.2.0 gtk2-2.24.29_2 gtk3-3.18.8_3 webkit2-gtk3-2.8.5_3 Installing firefox got firefox-47.0_1,1. Runing firefox or any package with a gtk3 dependency gets /usr/local/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: Undefined symbol "g_param_spec_get_name_quark" libgtk-3.so.0 is a symlink to libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8. A diff shows this module is identical to one on another system that works. On that system we gtk-xfce-engine-3.2.0 gtk2-2.24.29_2 gtk3-3.18.8_3 webkit2-gtk3-2.8.5_2 lastly the symbol g_param_spec_get_name_quark is in the module and using libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8 from the working system makes no difference. I do not know how to procede. _____ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com doug@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 19:38:57 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8150A78BE1 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [198.74.231.69]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B30297B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35B0B46B55 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id u5HJcu95081615 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u5HJcuPl081612 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Undefined symbol in gtk3-3.18.8_3 was pkg error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (fledge.watson.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:38:57 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:38:58 -0000 A spectacularly bad subject corrected. On Fri, 17 Jun 2016, doug@safeport.com wrote: > I tried to install a package that ended up uninstalling xfce and all packages > using gtk3 and/or webkit. I just hit the 'y' to fast so that was my error. > > To correct this I deleted the package and then did an autoremove so the xfce > install would bring back any updates. So was my thinking anyway. gtk3 and > webkit came back as: > > gtk-xfce-engine-3.2.0 > gtk2-2.24.29_2 > gtk3-3.18.8_3 > webkit2-gtk3-2.8.5_3 > > Installing firefox got firefox-47.0_1,1. Runing firefox or any package with a > gtk3 dependency gets > > /usr/local/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: Undefined symbol "g_param_spec_get_name_quark" > > libgtk-3.so.0 is a symlink to libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8. A diff shows this module > is identical to one on another system that works. On that system we > > gtk-xfce-engine-3.2.0 > gtk2-2.24.29_2 > gtk3-3.18.8_3 > webkit2-gtk3-2.8.5_2 > > lastly the symbol g_param_spec_get_name_quark is in the module and using > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8 from the working system makes no difference. > > I do not know how to procede. > My facts were okay but this has nothing to do with pkg per se except dependency errors in some ports maybe. Using ld to generate a map of libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8 gets ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address //lib/libc.so.7: undefined reference to `__progname' //usr/local/lib/libgdk-3.so.0: undefined reference to `XRRFreeMonitors' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_attr_foreground_alpha_new' //usr/local/lib/libgdk-3.so.0: undefined reference to `XRRGetMonitors' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `g_param_spec_get_name_quark' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_fc_font_map_config_changed' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_set_alpha' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_get_alpha' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_attr_font_features_new' libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_attr_background_alpha_new' //usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `environ' So in my working system the reference to g_param_spec_get_name_quark is resolved dynamically or it is not used the firefox et all. It is still true I do not know what do do about this. Any thoughts welcomed From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 19:57:47 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0601A783AF for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm0-x22a.google.com (mail-wm0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74D041A65 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek.cedro@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wm0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id m124so2108876wme.1 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc; bh=J3dLXyMt2NeYh5DvzuWJb5TyVWRhnQLxKIO36adpZaA=; b=0hXHDSY7u9BVN0Sskx5I3GeFLQuNPSVlb07LA0tSWJJRD8HnJg8BjClKugmd+1m0R0 iueyuEh90PKcBqNWrIlFEFHtzXB3izJDtqdfbx5xynXvzqpHui6/AGm9nBZU2TjljI6a iKENHcDY4pJH/fWiP2M1032gE9EFU2wVlyYgNUkeoDaP436hClvBe4qHqTkdoiGT7Usz tyaDPRJRAHoGzYWz2XRXZLHaUS9NqLeq5QK6XQgW4Dx/u5fNdLz0NKESKukf2mzHskyp yX3TkfRB6TrO+OCzlURuwfiIhiS5FnpLdRi6IDLL0RMp44kxbt4nOcinewcuh+hybewx Vyxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=J3dLXyMt2NeYh5DvzuWJb5TyVWRhnQLxKIO36adpZaA=; b=fu+WRDLvk01+8lVNrJJSzxhyldkiI8AvAjrTKd+RpDTumtDr7UsvxHerOditWR2XdK 32X1Wue+yvH4lTp83fSdnSIciQcLTSkSYGSYnVxg4VWf3aGbX6rfV7Wqx/BLneazrgMN kcSj89JP0Pf6evvqUR1yYx+NPLxZx3E8UQWnuPxQfTkG8bP1vGh+lgZnxwrCo4atY7M/ ZqLOB37xMCKTh2JSWvy9YoJnGX9y3llFZQsrwpzaCmqz/tDN9ZPjS7a7bTmlQFoOdwAx DLcdR97CkYgttrgeSSarPZa3TTMRw/ysKF5s1KQfVNKCv8BmO82unRO7kebNq8+FlS27 3M0g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIgBFFOWHKoxuBqC7kW5GzPU9Q7mn6Fu7DXfz85NeN3Ns48Wj/dnbrT847AfzazfzI0mfVU5q6fxKq6NA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.39.202 with SMTP id r10mr3695354wjk.93.1466193463022; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: tomek.cedro@gmail.com Received: by 10.28.158.150 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.158.150 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 12:57:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 21:57:41 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Z-MAEUlGHuvfus6PjIkreQV1zZI Message-ID: Subject: Re: USB scanner under Virtualbox From: CeDeROM To: Manish Jain Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.22 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:57:48 -0000 You can also try SANE which for me gives native access to USB scanners that are not supported on Windows for a long time :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 22:08:15 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663D2A782CB for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailblastingservice@us98.emailblastingonline.com) Received: from us98.emailblastingonline.com (us98.emailblastingonline.com [47.88.24.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333181954 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:08:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emailblastingservice@us98.emailblastingonline.com) Received: from us98.emailblastingonline.com (unknown [118.184.25.50]) by us98.emailblastingonline.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 33A07DEBA3 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2016 06:00:13 +0800 (CST) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.1 us98.emailblastingonline.com 33A07DEBA3 Authentication-Results: us98.emailblastingonline.com; dmarc=none header.from=us98.emailblastingonline.com Authentication-Results: us98.emailblastingonline.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=emailblastingservice@us98.emailblastingonline.com DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 us98.emailblastingonline.com 33A07DEBA3 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=us98.emailblastingonline.com; s=us98; t=1466200814; bh=XIyhuw8aqAO9G8Blx82h3aIuRlCPqTN2U1a/DIGg/x0=; h=Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=BoK8gszqxfu70CGN65Ln1oRajOcWzFrOea1mIDJ7YOlyGF/EaxOoESRrWdxrryQRG gZEEMFu120dM0nsvi5FgN0a2VA5w19WKYCg0o8QyZ+z1dtufj/XnbFW+qFHQbvIpKi jmx1h7SHt4wRibeKNyKL5+rEZ2DBTBRczHIip5JA= Reply-To: Message-ID: <69D16A2A6CAD3526C61EE3CBF5A26405@us98.emailblastingonline.com> From: "SMTP service" To: Subject: Re:SMTP server for email marketing/special offer now! 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I just hit the 'y' to fast so that was >> my error. >> >> To correct this I deleted the package and then did an autoremove so the >> xfce install would bring back any updates. So was my thinking anyway. gtk3 >> and webkit came back as: >> >> gtk-xfce-engine-3.2.0 >> gtk2-2.24.29_2 >> gtk3-3.18.8_3 >> webkit2-gtk3-2.8.5_3 >> >> Installing firefox got firefox-47.0_1,1. Runing firefox or any package with >> a gtk3 dependency gets >> >> /usr/local/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: Undefined symbol >> "g_param_spec_get_name_quark" >> >> libgtk-3.so.0 is a symlink to libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8. A diff shows this >> module is identical to one on another system that works. On that system we >> >> gtk-xfce-engine-3.2.0 >> gtk2-2.24.29_2 >> gtk3-3.18.8_3 >> webkit2-gtk3-2.8.5_2 >> >> lastly the symbol g_param_spec_get_name_quark is in the module and using >> libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8 from the working system makes no difference. >> >> I do not know how to procede. >> > > My facts were okay but this has nothing to do with pkg per se except > dependency errors in some ports maybe. Using ld to generate a map of > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8 gets > > ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address > //lib/libc.so.7: undefined reference to `__progname' > //usr/local/lib/libgdk-3.so.0: undefined reference to `XRRFreeMonitors' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to > `pango_attr_foreground_alpha_new' > //usr/local/lib/libgdk-3.so.0: undefined reference to `XRRGetMonitors' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `g_param_spec_get_name_quark' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to > `pango_fc_font_map_config_changed' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_set_alpha' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_renderer_get_alpha' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to `pango_attr_font_features_new' > libgtk-3.so.0.1800.8: undefined reference to > `pango_attr_background_alpha_new' > //usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: undefined reference to `environ' > > So in my working system the reference to g_param_spec_get_name_quark is > resolved dynamically or it is not used the firefox et all. > > It is still true I do not know what do do about this. Any thoughts welcomed Gotta love the internet. Okay, older versions of packages are in /var/cache/pkg. So for firefox the answer was remove the current version and do a 'pkg add' on and older version. In my case firefox-43.0.4_1,1 works with the version of gtk3 and firefox-47.0_1,1 does not. 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[184.56.210.236]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p21sm11191105iop.0.2016.06.18.10.45.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 10:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <576588D6.6050803@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 13:45:58 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd Questions CC: "freebsd-jail@freebsd.org" Subject: 11.0-ALPHA4 and VIMAGE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:45:50 -0000 Hello list; I have installed 11.0-ALPHA4-i386-20160617-r301975 to test VIMAGE. I have read previous list posts saying vimage was going to be part of the base system in 11.0. When I configure a jail with vnet I get a error typical of vimage not being compiled into the kernel. To me it looks like vimage is not part of the base system in 11.0. What is the status of vimage in 11.0? 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[184.56.210.236]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p102sm22502834ioi.7.2016.06.18.11.34.59 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2016 11:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57659462.1090004@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:35:14 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd Questions Subject: console in 11.0-ALPHA4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:35:01 -0000 I have installed 11.0-ALPHA4-i386-20160617-r301975. The console looks very different from all previous releases. I find it to be harder to read. This manifests it self with the boot log messages and the normal behavior of the virtual consoles. But the real problem is in the notable hesitation when switching between virtual consoles. From the boot log (ie: dmesg) I see this VT(vga): resolution 640x480 This must be what is making the console display so different from previous releases. Can VT be configured to default to present the same console behavior as previous releases before this version of 11.0 gets published as RELEASE? About the "hesitation when switching between virtual consoles" I am thinking that this reduced performance may be caused by WITNESS being enabled in the ALPHA series of releases. Can anyone verify that this hesitation will not exist in the published RELEASE? In the boot log I get this message 16 times. "vicontrol: setting cursor type: Inappropriate ioctl for device" They don't seem to cause any problems that I have stumbled across. Is anyone else getting these "NOTICE" type messages?