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Date:      Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:42:45 +0200
From:      Max Laier <max@love2party.net>
To:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
Subject:   Re: network slowness/freez-up since update 10/11
Message-ID:  <200410151943.01797.max@love2party.net>
In-Reply-To: <20041014203132.GA54873@nagual.pp.ru>
References:  <20041014000822.GA30887@nagual.pp.ru> <20041014182715.GB665@empiric.icir.org> <20041014203132.GA54873@nagual.pp.ru>

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On Thursday 14 October 2004 22:31, Andrey Chernov wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 11:27:15AM -0700, Bruce M Simpson wrote:
> > > similar others, nothing brings special attention to be aware of. I'll
> > > expect special 'WARNING: de owners' message to current in such
> > > situations, i.e. if something is not fixed to work together.
> >
> > I think your expectations of support are unrealistic here.
> > FreeBSD is a largely unfunded volunteer open source project.
> > de(4) has no official maintainer(s).  Patches are welcome.
> >
> > On the other hand, if you want a commercial level of support, consider
> > paying for it.
>
> All this suggestions really surprise me. Patches? Pay? Another one was to
> buy different card, from somebody other...
>
> I know myself well how to _handle_ it now, please don't try to suggest. My
> problem was that REASON of hang was UNCLEAR for me for two months.
>
> People, I not expecting that you'll fix this if_de and not even demand it
> in any form! If you actually read what I write I expect only 'WARNING'
> mail to current@ list in case some dangerous commits made. What is
> unrealistic in this expecation?

Such as:
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-March/024239.ht=
ml
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/htdig/freebsd-current/2004-July/031839.html
=2E..

Anyway, let's end this and get on to fixing it - shall we?

Could reporters please try to backout the ALTQ patches:
 http://people.freebsd.org/~mlaier/if_de.c.backout.diff
or check if reducing the driver managed queue length allready helps:
 http://people.freebsd.org/~mlaier/if_de.c.drvlen.diff

Please tell me if it helps. TIA.

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