From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 29 19:34:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FDC16A4CE for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:34:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854E643D1D for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:34:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jsconiers@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so910270wra for ; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:34:41 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EBLbNz926X3Ned8+Bbn+1Y9yCbR5w/UQo8jW6Quyh6jK+ehgFZFEyIOaybcpb27GUHKroxW0edI4DvjWQc3uf4M9UDwkl+TA8K7q+XzGCbjd4EzZhNBSp9D8XihHrMFe4rXntDK8ciZ7iubHGZNCoZZw2yDAnEXKV7NETGdE7vE= Received: by 10.54.121.14 with SMTP id t14mr1524775wrc; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.5.75 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 12:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:34:40 -0500 From: John Sconiers To: Guido Falsi In-Reply-To: <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050426233321.084e9210@cobalt.antimatter.net> <51899.216.177.243.42.1114584317.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050427001118.0327cd50@cobalt.antimatter.net> <52515.216.177.243.42.1114586501.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <61359.216.177.243.35.1114722481.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> cc: /dev/null cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Sconiers List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:34:45 -0000 What is the goal of FreeBSD, it's user community, it's developer and it's supporting companies / businesses , etc? FreeBSD offers advanced networking, performance, security and compatibility features today ....or at least that's whats on the web page but is one of the goals to increase it's user and developer base? Is this happening? Several years ago after being a FreeBSD fan / contributor since ~1995 I left FreeBSD because I didn't have the time with kids and all. During that time I was a unix / storage ps guy for two fortune 500 companies (One was a vendor of another Unix OS). I was also "forced" to work with Linux in production settings. I come back ~three years later and on the surface things haven't changed. The boot banner, installation program, etc, etc, hasn't changed. I know there have been many updates and advanced features added to FreeBSD. Plainly put we need to include items such as the boot banner not only becasue it can be done but because it can attract and keep more users. Adding less then a meg here or there is not bloat. Unless of course the goal is to create an advanced operating system unable to get / keep users. My $.02 On 4/29/05, Guido Falsi wrote: > On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 02:08:00PM -0700, /dev/null wrote: > > Hello, > > As this is an RFC (I'm sure you already know that). > > > > Long answer: > > I'm not quite sure. It will depend on the amount and content > > of the comments. Technically, it may not start ever (because > > everyone/ or nearly everyone says it SUX). > > > > Short answer: > > Too early for me to say. >=20 > On this proposal, I think that some graphic banner while booting could > be beautiful to the eye, but quite void in usefullness. I'm not against > it, but can't see any real advantage. Anyway if someone feels like > spending some time on this feature and the results does not bring any > regression to the system I don't see why it should not be offered as an > option. >=20 > On the other hand I think some tidying up in the rc sctripts boot > messages would really REALLY be a good idea. I don't mean anything > drastic, just that in 5.x(as was altready pointed out) the output is a > bit messy, and even if I can sort it out uite clearly out of habit, it > would be better if it was a bit more structured and ordered. >=20 > My 2 cents...nothing more, nothing less. >=20 > -- > Guido Falsi >=20 >=20 >