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Date:      Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:55:58 -0700 (PDT)
From:      Matthew Dillon <>
To:        "Brian F. Feldman" <green@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        Nate Williams <>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ipfw@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: securelevel and ipfw zero
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:On Wed, 28 Jul 1999, Nate Williams wrote:
:> > 
:> > These were changes that were necessary to make ipfw readable enough that
:> > I could work with it in this area. They aren't just to clean it up, or
:> > just for change's sake. They need to stay in.
:> C'mon now, re-ording the lines is *certainly* not necessary to work.
:That's true. I sure didn't do that.
:> *rant on*
:> Brian, FreeBSD isn't your private playground for playing around, this is
:> a group project, and you gotta follow the rules, or you don't get to
:> play with the rest of the folks....
:The rules don't say "leave the code that you work with in a bigger mess than
:when you started." Cleaning up code is a fact of life, and it _NEEDS_ to be
:done to get work done, very often. You have to learn to deal with that.
:> *rant off*
:> Nate
: Brian Fundakowski Feldman      _ __ ___ ____  ___ ___ ___  
:                   _ __ ___ | _ ) __|   \ 

    Side note:  I do the same thing:  clean up certain portions of the code
    in order to make them more readable while I'm working on the module.  And
    while I tend to agree that it would be nice to commit the bug fixes
    separately, it just isn't practical most of the time because one might
    have already spent too big a chunk of one's own time to do the work in 
    the first place.

    And I get the same sort of crap from certain core members, too.  It's 
    truely annoying when you've spent the time ( sometimes a whole LOT of
    time ) and trouble to fix something and all some people can do is 
    complain about extremely trivial elements of the work.

					Matthew Dillon 

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