From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Oct 24 19:41:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AB845287F for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c50004eb7e11.e708dbcf65fdaa635c9f457ce8fd14f1@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CJWgp4zFmz41ks for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c50004eb7e11.e708dbcf65fdaa635c9f457ce8fd14f1@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1603568498; x=1606160498; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=1jZWb7DxFknBv7uS41nciPTzlTAgPlwX7B/7M1IZh6Y=; b=kgvcnVCZkBRYkIHDv8HLNcq4gwyUmxfscFiOyUwIPwE4zteNZa/EtPEaJnwlJfvTWLeQnCWZbVmFV6y6LBUgpKwW5VWBiVnq/3Bj6hxcTnNCKY6Rwj+YqGNug3k4+zQNfiAq3hDHb1J2xbisnx+afilYWuyr80jt1nYAbFplEdU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjNTAwMDRlYjdlMTEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:41:32 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:42:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1kWPPx-0005O9-Vp; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:41:34 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 20:41:33 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: What is the "better / best " method to multi-boot different OSes natively WITHOUT VirtualBox(es) ? Message-Id: <20201024204133.5820dc79a75c02c3ff2c2da1@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20201024213211.065fdb26.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20201024111010.5c867e8540a369b826d26703@sohara.org> <8bfbda9f-79b9-5e45-7c00-de32da3f14ed@holgerdanske.com> <20201024213211.065fdb26.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4CJWgp4zFmz41ks X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=kgvcnVCZ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c50004eb7e11.e708dbcf65fdaa635c9f457ce8fd14f1@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c50004eb7e11.e708dbcf65fdaa635c9f457ce8fd14f1@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.22 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.983]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.495]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.043]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c50004eb7e11.e708dbcf65fdaa635c9f457ce8fd14f1@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c50004eb7e11.e708dbcf65fdaa635c9f457ce8fd14f1@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 19:41:43 -0000 On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 21:32:11 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:40:10 -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > On 2020-10-24 03:10, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 02:51:25 -0700 > > > TheBigBlue Guard wrote: > > > > > >> Yes ...everyone...What is the "better /best and least expensive " > > > > > > A [boot] swap drive bay is the most foolproof and reliable > > > method that ensures no OS no matter how buggy or misguided can mess > > > up another. > > > > > > Boot drive swap bay -- minimum effort, maximum reliability, and maximum > > expense. This is what I do. > > > > > > Multi-boot -- maximum effort, minimum reliability, and minimum expense. > > Add safety to the list - a disk that is not in the machine > cannot be messed up by a stupid installer program. :-) This is (an example of) what makes it the least expensive approach, anything else is bound to wind up costing you hours at some point. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith