Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:20:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Baldur Gislason <baldur@foo.is> To: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: misc/43373: Your installation sucks Message-ID: <200209252220.g8PMK40v049245@freefall.freebsd.org>
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The following reply was made to PR misc/43373; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Baldur Gislason <baldur@foo.is> To: Kris Springer <kris@freelanceadmin.net> Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: misc/43373: Your installation sucks Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:11:19 +0000 I do assume this is a pure flame bait, but I decide to flame you anyways. FreeBSD has the best installation program of all operating systems, even if it didn't, it wouldn't matter cause you won't use it often, you generally install a box once and never again, after that you just cvsup and recompile every so often. I recall a bug in Red Hat's installer causing it to freeze on some computers, leaving the user in a blank blue screen (Yes, a BSOD on Deadrat Linsux! Hahahaha). Use custom installation, that allows you to have full control over the installation process (and correct your idiotic mistakes) I'd rather have a installer that WORKS on any god damned platform and in any god damned situation, rather than a fancy bloated graphical installer that wastes valuable resources (and time therefore) when I'm installing, plus a graphical installer would eliminate a lot of nice features of our current installer, you couldn't install by any other means than from a CD/DVD since no graphical installer will fit on a single floppy with everything it needs, the current installer is about 500kB, allowing the user to add more stuff to the installation root floppy (like extra kernel modules or even an IRC client to nag people about help while installing...) I like to be able to install with a serial console, since I frequently use my laptop to setup machines so I don't have to carry a monitor and keyboard with me when the machines are located away from such things, or even don't have a video card for the sake of saving slots, power and increasing reliability. (You can hardly get AGP cards that aren't designed for gaming and therefore eat a huge amount of energy, dissipate a lot of heat and require a cooling fan, if the fan fails, the card can fail, and bring the machine down.) Conclusion: A graphical installer is a huge compromise, with no real comfort. Baldur Gislason baldur@foo.is - baldur@bsd.is http://foo.is On Wednesday 25 September 2002 21:16, you wrote: > >Number: 43373 > >Category: misc > >Synopsis: Your installation sucks > >Confidential: no > >Severity: critical > >Priority: high > >Responsible: freebsd-bugs > >State: open > >Quarter: > >Keywords: > >Date-Required: > >Class: sw-bug > >Submitter-Id: current-users > >Arrival-Date: Wed Sep 25 14:20:00 PDT 2002 > >Closed-Date: > >Last-Modified: > >Originator: Kris Springer > >Release: 4.6 > >Organization: > > FreelanceAdmin.net > > >Environment: > >Description: > > Your installation sucks! It's worse than DOS. Every OS on the market has > a graphical installation except you. What is the deal??? The ease of > installation is the single reason that I use Linux over BSD. It's the year > 2002 and you clowns are still in the dark ages of archaic command prompts > for installation. I use the command line to admin my UNIX machines but > your installation is simply unacceptable. Do you realize that you lose > more business because of this one issue than all the others combined? Your > OS is so diffucult to install that I have given up trying and I switched to > Linux, because it WORKS!! Get your act together. Once your OS is loaded > it works great, but I have never gotten it to load without hours upon hours > of headaches and stupid text mode BS. I can go through all the options for > loading Redhat Linux in literally 5 minutes; yours takes hours to do > anything and then it doesn't even work. You don't even have a "Back" > option so you can change configs that you may have messed up. You're a > joke. How hard is it to do a simple graphical installation option? > > >How-To-Repeat: > > > >Fix: > > Design and supply a graphical installation option with your OS. > > >Release-Note: > >Audit-Trail: > >Unformatted: > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message
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