From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 27 16:56:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7D1151D2 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:56:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-15-72.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.15.72]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA27468; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:56:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA44170; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:23:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199906272323.SAA44170@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Igor Roshchin Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: 3.2-RELEASE Feedback In-reply-to: Message from Igor Roshchin of "Sat, 26 Jun 1999 23:15:29 CDT." <199906270415.XAA27664@alecto.physics.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:23:05 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Igor Roshchin writes: > Regarding SCSI drives recognition in NT with that particular ASUS motherboard: > Use those 3 NT installation floppy drives instead of the CD, > and the floppy drive with the SCSI-U2 driver for that board. [...] > If you need further details, feel free to ask me - otherwise it's > not in the scope of this list. Re-reading what I wrote, I agree as the tone was a bit wrong. The intent was, "Another victory for FreeBSD where the 'standard' software fails." Have dropped -stable from the distribution. It appears there are at least two ways to install NT on this system. Having read cover to cover the MB manual, the Adaptec manual, and all the README's I could find, and a couple of hours at Microsoft.com, all to no luck. A mention on some FreeBSD lists and a search at www.deja.com result in several suggestions to do the same thing, start the NT install from floppy, or use the F6 key to break into the CDROM boot to feed it the special driver floppy. However the FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE CDROM was no where near this much hassle. And easily proved my new hardware is healthy. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 27 19:10:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat197.79.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.197.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8C0150F3; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA46836; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:10:12 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:10:11 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: 3.2-STABLE unable to stably run NEWEST INN Code... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Due to heavy usage of MMAP() in the newest INN's, 3.2-STABLE is unable to handle the load of a full news server :( The last I heard, Matt Dillon knew about and was planning on working on ~6 MMAP() related race conditions...with the latest decision by "the Core" concerning his commit privileges, I'm not sure how enthusiastic Matt is going to be towards working on these, and am working if there is anyone else out there that is going to be able to handle these problems? There have been several other admin's out there that have reported the same problems with 3.2-STABLE+INN-CURRENT, as regards to hanging, so it isn't an isolated "hardware-related" problem... Matt...is this something you are still planning on addressing? Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 27 21:10:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4B1150FB for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id AAA27247; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:12:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199906280412.AAA27247@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: Of SDSL, speed and bad ISPs In-Reply-To: <199906260408.AAA10300@arutam.inch.com> from Francisco Reyes at "Jun 26, 99 00:09:13 am" To: freyes@inch.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Francisco Reyes wrote, > And for those in the NorthEast... Avoid using Verio as an ISP.. not > only it took them a long time to get things done, but they totally > ignored our calls and we had to call their main office (in the west > coast I believe) to get things done.... and in the end it turned out > that the installation was done by another company (northpoint) which > makes me think Verio may be just a reseller... At least in this area. We were with a local ISP, GES (I can't seem to remember what it stood for "Global..."), in NJ. They were bought up by Verio about a year or two ago. When there were some problems getting a service upgrade, it was mostly with Bell Atlantic working the phone lines, not Verio. Our experience has not been exceptionally wonderful, but there are no problems to report. Low maintanance is what is most important to me. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 27 21:27:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5011D152FE for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 21:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (207-172-143-251.s60.as3.hgt.md.dialup.rcn.com [207.172.143.251]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA10134; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:27:16 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Phil Regnauld Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, brett@lariat.org, zen@buddhist.com, Terry Lambert Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25-Jun-99 Phil Regnauld wrote: > Terry Lambert writes: >> > >> > Do we get their reputation, also ? >> >> Mult-ibillion-dollar corporations who are willing to go out of their >> way to avoid alienating the majority of people because that's how >> they ensure that they will be around in the future? >> >> I hope so... > > It's called pleasing the masses -- not quite the FreeBSD approach. Well, you kind of got the point. Try reading the last part of Terry's sentence and the last part of yours... Eventually, FreeBSD is going to have to tailor to a wide base of people, not just Unix hackers if it wants to leave its mark. While it's still being developed, we don't every Joe Schmoe, I agree. It will have to change sometime though. I think the first group we should target (and I think FreeBSD should be heavily targeting them now) is Universities, before they all end up using Linux and leaving BSD out in the cold. Somehow, we need to make BSD attractice to researchers. I wish I knew more of how to do this. --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 27 22: 1:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from corsair.highperformance.net (S8-37-26.student.washington.edu [128.208.37.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C934214F2C for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:01:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) Received: from localhost (jcw@localhost) by corsair.highperformance.net (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00838 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcwells@u.washington.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: corsair.highperformance.net: jcw owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:06:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcw@corsair.highperformance.net Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Data Manipulation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, i think hexdump is the answer but I still need help from someone who knows zeros and ones. I have a collection of geo data. It is 16bit signed integer data, no headers, no trailers, little endian, there are 10800 columns and 6000 rows. Would someone please point me to a reference on converting data between formats? How can I convert this data to human usable format? Thank You, | "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither Jason Wells | freedom nor security." - Benjamin Franklin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jun 27 22:44:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C4A150D9 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:43:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA16808 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:13:10 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id PAA44128; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:11:54 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:11:54 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jesus Monroy Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Mad cows? (was: FreeBSD CD's second source) Message-ID: <19990628151153.K43194@freebie.lemis.com> References: <19990628010614.689.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990628010614.689.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net>; from Jesus Monroy on Sun, Jun 27, 1999 at 06:06:14PM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 27 June 1999 at 18:06:14 -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Someone sent me this link. > Maybe someone should help them. > > I;m not sure about this "FREE BSE" version. ;-> > http://www.auctioner.net/bsd32.html Yes, I would strongly recommend not getting BSE, even if it's free. I'm told it's a horrible way to die. > Price is listed here. > http://www.auctioner.net/application2.html The wages of sin are death? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 1:28:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD3E14E1E for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 01:28:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA76358; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:28:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? References: <199906271714.KAA49471@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3776DC65.47670121@glue.umd.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 28 Jun 1999 10:28:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: Brandon Fosdick's message of "Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:22:29 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon Fosdick writes: > "Life is short, so have fun, play hard, and leave a good looking corpse" Speaking of quotes, I'm sure I'm not the only one annoyed at how often this one is misquoted... The correct quote, from Nicholas Ray's 1949 movie _Knock On Any Door_ starring Humnphrey Bogart, is "Live fast, die young, and make a nice-looking corpse". DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 2:48:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (mail.palmerharvey.co.uk [62.172.109.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F7B14C96 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Dom.Mitchell@palmerharvey.co.uk) Received: from ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk (unverified) by mail.palmerharvey.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:48:00 +0100 Received: from voodoo.pandhm.co.uk (VOODOO [10.100.35.12]) by ho-nt-01.pandhm.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id NHL6LYGQ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:39:01 +0100 Received: from dom by voodoo.pandhm.co.uk with local (Exim 2.10 #1) id 10yY1C-000CIy-00; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:48:02 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:48:02 +0100 To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: FreeBSD-chat Subject: Re: Data Manipulation Message-Id: <19990628104801.B45679@palmerharvey.co.uk> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Jason C. Wells on Sun, Jun 27, 1999 at 03:06:40PM -0700 From: Dominic Mitchell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 27, 1999 at 03:06:40PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > Well, i think hexdump is the answer but I still need help from someone who > knows zeros and ones. > > I have a collection of geo data. It is 16bit signed integer data, no > headers, no trailers, little endian, there are 10800 columns and 6000 > rows. > > Would someone please point me to a reference on converting data between > formats? How can I convert this data to human usable format? Your best bet would be to use perl and it's pack/unpack functions. See perlfunc(1) and possibly also perlfaq(1). -- Dom Mitchell -- Palmer & Harvey McLane -- Unix Systems Administrator "Always think very hard before messing with TCP. And then don't." -- MC -- ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ********************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 2:57:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280F014C96 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 02:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id TAA28042; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:27:24 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA19187; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:27:24 +0930 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:27:24 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Alan Cox Cc: alc@cs.rice.edu, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Improving the Unix API In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alan Cox, meet Alan Cox. *bzzzzzt* *KA-BOOM!!* Uh-oh. Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 3:35: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from titan.metropolitan.at (mail.metropolitan.at [195.212.98.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3A414C39 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mladavac@metropolitan.at) Received: by TITAN with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:37:57 +0200 Message-ID: <55586E7391ACD211B9730000C11002761796AC@r-lmh-wi-100.corpnet.at> From: Ladavac Marino To: "'Jason C. Wells'" , FreeBSD-chat Subject: RE: Data Manipulation Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:30:19 +0200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason C. Wells [SMTP:jcwells@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Monday, June 28, 1999 12:07 AM > To: FreeBSD-chat > Subject: Data Manipulation > > Well, i think hexdump is the answer but I still need help from someone > who > knows zeros and ones. > > I have a collection of geo data. It is 16bit signed integer data, no > headers, no trailers, little endian, there are 10800 columns and 6000 > rows. > > Would someone please point me to a reference on converting data > between > formats? How can I convert this data to human usable format? [ML] Please define "human usable". A Perl 10-liner can do it. /Marino > Thank You, | "Those who would trade freedom for security deserve > neither > Jason Wells | freedom nor security." - Benjamin Franklin > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 3:48: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851E214F48 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 03:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id UAA22559; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:47:52 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990628204744.00607@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:47:44 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: speaker tunes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone happen to have a nice collection of speaker tunes that they'd be willing to share? -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 4:36:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from FergInc.com (toth.ferginc.com [205.139.23.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8421614FC6 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:36:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from branson@FergInc.com) Received: from belmakor.hq.ferg.com (belmakor.hq.ferg.com [172.16.74.60]) by FergInc.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA51191 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from branson@localhost) by belmakor.hq.ferg.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id HAA83532 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:36:45 -0400 From: Branson Matheson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Pics from Usenix Message-ID: <19990628073645.A83488@belmakor.hq.ferg.com> Reply-To: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i Organization: Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know lots of people took them .. was wondering if anyone had put them up on the net yet? - branson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Branson Matheson " If you are falling off of a mountain, Unix Systems Manager You may as well try to fly." Ferguson Enterprises, Inc. - Delenn, Minbari Ambassador ( $statements = ) !~ /Corporate Opinion/; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 4:59:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0FA14C13 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 04:59:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) Received: from localhost (neon.enveng.titech.ac.jp [131.112.148.211]) by nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24814; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:53:40 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp) To: phbof@bof.de Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Improving the Unix API In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:50:39 +0200 (MEST)" <199906281150.NAA02869@oknodo.bof.de> References: <199906281150.NAA02869@oknodo.bof.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990628210322P.masao@nf.enveng.titech.ac.jp> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:03:22 +0900 From: UEBAYASHI Masao X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 15 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > 'Portable Runtime Operation Control' might be a useful name expansion, Where can I know these acronyms or abbreviations used in OS? Recently I've heard that usr is not abbrev of user but maybe ``User Sources and Resources''. (<- not confident) Masao --- |- _|_ -|- -|- /|\ /|\ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 5: 3:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D2414C13 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:03:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20740; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Dan Strick Cc: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Con In-Reply-To: <199906270341.UAA11156@math.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My brother has been trying to get me to get a "Chucky" the Daemon tattoo for almost a year now..... he even insisted on choosing the pseudonym "BSDaemon" for me on his album (I'm helping to produce the thing) heh.... ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Dan Strick wrote: > > Is it too early to start planning meetings and gatherings around the > > FreeBSD Con ()? > > > > I'm planning on being in the area from the 16th until the 24th of October. > > Any FreeBSD users in the area fancy meeting up for dinner, sight-seeing, > > and so on? > > > > Any recommendations for things to do over there, or places to avoid? > > The San Francisco Bay Area is a sightseer's paradise. > You have to decide for yourself what kind of sights you want to see. > Would you like to take a cable car to fisherman's warf? > Visit Alcatraz island? Take a glass walled elevator to the top > of a tall building? Check out a tattoo museum? Go to Muir woods > or to the top of Twin Peaks or Mt. Tamalpais and look down on > the city and the bay? Go for a walk along the east bay ridge? > > I recommend against actually getting a tattoo, unless is says > "Powered by FreeBSD". > > Dan Strick > dan@math.berkeley.edu > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 5: 9:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35A514C13 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20811; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: spork Cc: Francisco Reyes , FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: Of SDSL, speed and bad ISPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Being right oputside of NJ, is it actually possible to get a DSL line outside of the areas Bell Atlantic says its not possible, or is it the combination of bad copper/distance from the CO? I know next to nothing about DSL (I'm a systems administrator, not a network engineer Jim!) and I need some kind of faster access here ....and well the best I've been able to get is a dedicated 56k modem for a couple hundred a month *sigh* -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, spork wrote: > On Sat, 26 Jun 1999, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > After almost 3 months, about 2 longer than expected, I finally got a > > working SDSL line. > > For New York City, that's pretty good. Of course a nice local ISP like > the one you use (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) would have given you a better > estimate of how long you would have to wait... > > > Getting it installed involved a lot of calling the ISP and just > > constantly finding a person higher up in the food chain to call. This > > line is at one of my clients and he basically ended up talking to some > > pretty high up people and this was the only way we got the dam thing > > installed. > > This is because EVERYONE (Verio included) uses either: > > the local telco > Northpoint > Covad > > in NYC. There's RedConnect, but they are a whole other story... > > > It is scary that with all the pushing it took us almost 3 months. Don't > > want to think how long it takes if one doesn't call daily. We did > > waited a little over a month before we started calling daily. > > Originally they promissed in 2 to 3 weeks. > > At least they're optimistic ;) > > > It is a 200K line, however did a couple of simple downloads and was > > only getting 4K to 6K downloading. > > I had to leave shortly after having got the line up, but plan to do > > further testing soon. > > > > What kind of thoughtput should I see in a 200K line? > > A 200 kilobit line should give you about 23 KiloBytes (what Netscape and > most ftp clients report in) to a well-connected site (taking out a bit of > the ATM overhead). > > > And for those in the NorthEast... Avoid using Verio as an ISP.. not > > only it took them a long time to get things done, but they totally > > ignored our calls and we had to call their main office (in the west > > coast I believe) to get things done.... and in the end it turned out > > that the installation was done by another company (northpoint) which > > makes me think Verio may be just a reseller... At least in this area. > > They are a reseller everywhere, but they do have a TV ad campaign. The > cost involved in putting DSL in every CO is very high, especially if you > want to cover the 5 boroughs of NYC, so there is really only Covad, > Northpoint, Bell ATlantic, and Red in the COs. In less populated areas > you might see a smaller ISP trying this on their own, but going through a > reseller (we use Covad) eliminates the need for us to roll trucks for > installs or battle with Bell Atlantic over getting a decent copper pair > for a customer. While I've seen some of our SDSL installs go very slowly, > Covad is good enough to uptdate the ISP partner and customer on a regular > basis. The delays are usually: > > Covad can't get the copper > Bell Atlantic gives them an unusable line > > Both of these result in a lengthy and painful series of trouble tickets > between Bell and Covad. However, all our DSL customers do seem to be > happy customers once it works... > > Charles > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 5:12:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A548214F67 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:12:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20852; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:11:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: spork Cc: Francisco Reyes , FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: Of SDSL, speed and bad ISPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thats should have read "just outside on NYC", I'm in Lodi, NJ Speaking of which, who is actually interested in getting together from the NYC/NJ area? I tried this once before, for the Users Group...I'd like to have another meeting soon, but I want to drum up as many users as possible. -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 5:14:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [208.243.107.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA4714DEC for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 05:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 429EF4152; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F2F49B2D; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Pat Lynch Cc: spork , Francisco Reyes , FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: Of SDSL, speed and bad ISPs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Pat Lynch wrote: :Being right oputside of NJ, is it actually possible to get a DSL line :outside of the areas Bell Atlantic says its not possible, or is it the :combination of bad copper/distance from the CO? I would guess it's a question of BA's switch capabilities (or lack thereof) in your service area. :I know next to nothing about DSL (I'm a systems administrator, not a :network engineer Jim!) and I need some kind of faster access here ....and :well the best I've been able to get is a dedicated 56k modem for a couple :hundred a month *sigh* Look for alternatives. You're paying way too much for your connection. Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 6: 3:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C16814BF9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:03:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA09061; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA55009; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:03:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:03:19 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com>; from John Baldwin on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 12:27:16AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 12:27:16AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > Well, you kind of got the point. Try reading the last part of > Terry's sentence and the last part of yours... > > Eventually, FreeBSD is going to have to tailor to a wide base of > people, not just Unix hackers if it wants to leave its mark. While > it's still being developed, we don't every Joe Schmoe, I agree. It > will have to change sometime though. I think the first group we > should target (and I think FreeBSD should be heavily targeting them > now) is Universities, before they all end up using Linux and leaving > BSD out in the cold. Somehow, we need to make BSD attractice to > researchers. I wish I knew more of how to do this. (1) Replace CVS with something that supports full branching and renames. (2) Replace CVS with something that supports full branching and renames. (3) Stabilize the kernel API (this should probably be done by going through the API we have and evaluating each function in a public forum, and then committing to keeping the ones we deem OK for a certain number of years - three years would probably be a good first start). (4) Replace CVS with something that supports full branching and renames. (5) Document the APIs and programming models used everywhere, to make it easy to throw students at the code. (6) Replace CVS with something that supports full branching and renames. (7) Replace CVS with something that supports full branching and renames. (8) Have somebody become the 'academic contact' for FreeBSD, attemting to provide the services academics need to use the codebase, and to contact the projects that already use (and don't use) the FreeBSD codebase and find out why they made the choice they did, and make FreeBSD adapt to this. (9) Create a formal policy for how to handle submissions, in order to avoid the submissions falling through the cracks and thus discouraging submitters from sending in anything again. Difficulty in getting things integrated *do* block researchers from building on previous research, and disheartens them. (10) Replace CVS with something that supports full branching and renames. Did I mention getting rid of CVS? Ah, yes, I think I did. (It is necessary in order to get a decent handle on branched development - and you need branched development if you're going to do research.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 6:41:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hostigos.otherwhen.com (dialin2017.pernet.net [205.229.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1381B14DA6 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:41:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mavery@mail.otherwhen.com) Received: from mail.otherwhen.com (mail.2.229.205.in-addr.arpa [205.229.2.19] (may be forged)) by hostigos.otherwhen.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02722 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:41:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from PORKY/SpoolDir by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45); 28 Jun 99 08:41:29 -0600 Received: from SpoolDir by PORKY (Mercury 1.45); 28 Jun 99 08:41:16 -0600 Received: from francis.otherwhen.com (12.65.147.224) by mail.otherwhen.com (Mercury 1.45) with ESMTP; 28 Jun 99 08:41:06 -0600 From: "Mike Avery (on the road)" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:40:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? In-reply-to: <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12) Message-ID: <2C7D22A698B@mail.otherwhen.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28 Jun 99, at 0:27, John Baldwin wrote: > Eventually, FreeBSD is going to have to tailor to a wide base of people, not > just Unix hackers if it wants to leave its mark. While it's still being > developed, we don't every Joe Schmoe, I agree. It will have to change sometime > though. I think the first group we should target (and I think FreeBSD should > be heavily targeting them now) is Universities, before they all end up using > Linux and leaving BSD out in the cold. Somehow, we need to make BSD attractice > to researchers. I wish I knew more of how to do this. I somehow doubt every Joe Schmoe will be using any flavor of Unix any time soon. It's gotten too much of a "hard to learn, hard to use" reputation. Undoing that reputation will take some real work. However, I find the idea of "while it's still being developed" to be an interesting one. When FreeBSD is no longer being developed, it will be dead. Just like any other OS that is no longer being developed. Times change. Hardware platforms change. People's needs change. And a living OS has to change to accomodate that. I hope no one is waiting until FreeBSD is "done" to start promoting it.... Mike ====================================================================== Mike Avery MAvery@mail.otherwhen.com (409)-842-2942 (work) ICQ: 16241692 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Product Warning WARNING: This product attracts every other piece of matter in the universe, including the products of other manufacturers, with a force proportional to the product of the masses and inversely proportional to the distance between them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 6:45: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from arutam.inch.com (ns.inch.com [207.240.140.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34A4914DA6 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:44:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freyes@inch.com) Received: from your-name (TC4-dial-225-215.oldslip.inch.com [207.240.215.225]) by arutam.inch.com (8.9.1a/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA20248; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906281343.JAA20248@arutam.inch.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "Pat Lynch" , "spork" Cc: "FreeBSd Chat list" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:45:15 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Professional (2.01.1600) For Windows 98 (4.10.1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:11:23 -0400 (EDT), Pat Lynch wrote: >Speaking of which, who is actually interested in getting together from the >NYC/NJ area? I tried this once before, for the Users Group...I'd like to >have another meeting soon, but I want to drum up as many users as >possible. -Pat I tried once to find people and only found one other person in the NY/NJ area using FreeBSD. Perhaps we should put up a web site and try to get names for a month or two till we have a reasonable group. Alternatively we could start with just a handfull of people (at least 4) and try to organize a FreeBSD user's group. I honestly don't know why it is so hard to find other FreeBSD users in the NY/NJ area. Heck we could make it BSD in case we find some NetBSD or OpenBSD users. If someone gives me space in their server I could start working in a NY/NJ user group site. In a month or two after I have become a junior sysadmin I would not mind putting it in my lowly 200k SDSL... but for now till I have the basics down I am not going to put anything there. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 8:39:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cgc.ns.ca (mail.cgc.ns.ca [142.176.88.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EDE14D96 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@cgc.ns.ca) Received: from pcglenn (h138045.cgc.dfo.ca [142.2.138.45]) by mail.cgc.ns.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA02597 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:39:06 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990628123905.0093ed20@mail.cgc.ns.ca> X-Sender: glenn@mail.cgc.ns.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:39:05 -0300 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Glenn Campbell Subject: FTPD & chroot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am presently running a 2.2.6 box and I am having a problem with my ftpd. I am using the daemon that came with the distribution. According to the man page on ftpd if I place a users name in /etc/ftpchroot the user will be chroot'd to his/her login dir. This is working only for my anonymous ftp. My user accounts can cd right to the / filesystem. Does anyone out there know why the chroot is not happening with the name in /etc/ftpchroot? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 8:57:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from imap0.glue.umd.edu (imap0.glue.umd.edu [128.8.10.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E339714C0E for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (ppp-27-121.tidalwave.net [208.220.27.121]) by imap0.glue.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01822; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37779A76.C688F633@glue.umd.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:53:26 -0400 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? References: <199906271714.KAA49471@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3776DC65.47670121@glue.umd.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Brandon Fosdick writes: > > "Life is short, so have fun, play hard, and leave a good looking corpse" > > Speaking of quotes, I'm sure I'm not the only one annoyed at how often > this one is misquoted... The correct quote, from Nicholas Ray's 1949 > movie _Knock On Any Door_ starring Humnphrey Bogart, is "Live fast, > die young, and make a nice-looking corpse". > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no Is it a misquote of Nicholas Ray if I quoted someone else? :) I got this from one of the characters in a TV series that was run for one season a few years back. I forget what it was called, "Kindred" I think. It was about vampires and had the "noxema girl" in it (thats why I watched it :) It also had that guy that now plays the hybrid hunter on the X-Files. -Brandon -- bfoz@glue.umd.edu "Lead, follow, or get run over" "In life there are those who steer, and those who push" "I'm not impatient, the world is too slow" "Life is short, so have fun, play hard, and leave a good looking corpse" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 9: 3:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (D5625.DIALUP.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.49.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5E815143 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) Received: from localhost (cjc26@localhost) by tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA63284 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc26@cornell.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: tankgrrl.bridget.mindriot.net: cjc26 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:05:13 +0000 (GMT) From: a disembodied voice emerging from the chaos of reality X-Sender: cjc26@tankgrrl To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Silicon Valley Tarot In-Reply-To: <37779A76.C688F633@glue.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is great. :) http://www.svtarot.com/ Cliff Crawford http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/cjc26/ -><- i l i k e o a t m e a l )O( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 9:21: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C3715143 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA87054; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:20:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Brandon Fosdick Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? References: <199906271714.KAA49471@cwsys.cwsent.com> <3776DC65.47670121@glue.umd.edu> <37779A76.C688F633@glue.umd.edu> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 28 Jun 1999 18:20:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: Brandon Fosdick's message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:53:26 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brandon Fosdick writes: > I got this from one of the characters in a TV series that was run for one season > a few years back. I forget what it was called, "Kindred" I think. It was about > vampires and had the "noxema girl" in it (thats why I watched it :) It also had > that guy that now plays the hybrid hunter on the X-Files. Well, now you know where *they* got it from :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 10: 1:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA8615304 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:01:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id TAA87957; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:01:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "Francisco Reyes" Cc: "Pat Lynch" , "spork" , "FreeBSd Chat list" Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ References: <199906281343.JAA20248@arutam.inch.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 28 Jun 1999 19:01:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes"'s message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 09:45:15 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Francisco Reyes" writes: > Perhaps we should put up a web site and try to get names for a month or > two till we have a reasonable group. Alternatively we could start with > just a handfull of people (at least 4) and try to organize a FreeBSD > user's group. http://www.funy.org/ DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 10:37:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A899A1539D for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23085; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Francisco Reyes , spork , FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep, thats what I was just about to say...we *started* one...its a little dead right now...and we need some people to breath some life into it...wanna help out ;) -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On 28 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > "Francisco Reyes" writes: > > Perhaps we should put up a web site and try to get names for a month or > > two till we have a reasonable group. Alternatively we could start with > > just a handfull of people (at least 4) and try to organize a FreeBSD > > user's group. > > http://www.funy.org/ > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 11:29:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF6514C15 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.54.32]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAD1699; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:29:18 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15051; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:25:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:25:58 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Alan Cox , alc@cs.rice.edu, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Improving the Unix API Message-ID: <19990628202558.C14987@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 07:27:24PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Kris Kennaway (kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) [990628 14:47]: > Alan Cox, meet Alan Cox. > > *bzzzzzt* *KA-BOOM!!* Ye know, it scared the hell out of me first when I saw Alan Cox on CVS-all untill I realised 't was another fox by the same name ;) (No offense Alan, errm, the other one =) Just didn't expect a Linux commiter on a BSD commiter list, and I was also proven wrong) -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at it's best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 12:22: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (unknown [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75A514CCA for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.82]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990628192439.QMAO1400.mta2-rme@wocker>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:24:39 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Branson Matheson Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 07:21:55 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Pics from Usenix Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990628073645.A83488@belmakor.hq.ferg.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990628192439.QMAO1400.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28 Jun 99, at 7:36, Branson Matheson wrote: > I know lots of people took them .. was wondering if anyone had put > them up on the net yet? I still have bookmarks to http://www.freebsd.org/~unfurl/usenix/ and http://www.freebsd.org/~jkh/helicopter/ -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 13:52:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (mail1.atl.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051F714D6E for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wghicks@bellsouth.net) Received: from wghicks.bellsouth.net (host-209-214-68-198.atl.bellsouth.net [209.214.68.198]) by mail1.atl.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16248; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wghicks (wghicks@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wghicks.bellsouth.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA91956; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:55:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net) Message-Id: <199906282055.QAA91956@bellsouth.net> To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: speaker tunes In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:47:44 +1000." <19990628204744.00607@welearn.com.au> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:55:28 -0400 From: W Gerald Hicks Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Does anyone happen to have a nice collection of speaker tunes > that they'd be willing to share? Umm, well I don't suppose you mean my mp3 collection... :-) The wmsound port includes a few that are useful for binding to window manager actions (close, open, shade, etc). These are in .wav format, you can use waveplay or sox to convert them to a desired format. The Window Maker developers are developing sound theme support for Window Maker so you'll probably be able to start getting custom sound sets from wm.themes.org Cheers, Jerry Hicks wghicks@bellsouth.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 14:35:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AFC15455 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA08063 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:35:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 8CC548837; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:31:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:31:01 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pics from Usenix Message-ID: <19990628203101.B53828@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <19990628073645.A83488@belmakor.hq.ferg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990628073645.A83488@belmakor.hq.ferg.com>; from Branson Matheson on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 07:36:45AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5423 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Branson Matheson: > I know lots of people took them .. was wondering if anyone had put > them up on the net yet? Mine are still in the camera, I should get them developed. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #71: Sun May 9 20:16:32 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 15:23:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5609714CE3 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-216.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.216]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA07635 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3777AF9F.5ECFCF38@airnet.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:23:43 +0000 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: 100 Mbps Ethernet? (fxp, xl performance) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got a crossover cable running between a P5/166 (fxp0) and a K6/2-350 (xl0). It's negotiated at 100Mbps. I'm seeing ~3.5 MB/s from the P5 to the K6-2, and 5.7[12] MB/s in the reverse direction. Is this about right? The network is taking almost 50% of the CPU of the P5. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 15:49:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from 001101.zer0.org (001101.zer0.org [206.24.105.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3352414F8A; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:48:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@001101.zer0.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by 001101.zer0.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA27910; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:48:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:48:44 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Eivind Eklund Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org> References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:03:19PM +0200 Organization: Zer0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:03:19PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > Did I mention getting rid of CVS? Ah, yes, I think I did. (It is > necessary in order to get a decent handle on branched development - > and you need branched development if you're going to do research.) Perforce, perchance? Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter "Software is like sex; it's better mailto:gsutter@pobox.com when it's free." -- Linus Torvalds http://www.pobox.com/~gsutter/ PGP DSS public key 0x40AE3052 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 16:22:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from paris.dppl.com (paris.dppl.com [205.230.74.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B237315499 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yds@ingress.net) Received: (qmail 144 invoked from network); 28 Jun 1999 23:22:31 -0000 Received: from ichiban.ingress.com (HELO ichiban) (205.230.64.31) by paris.dppl.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 1999 23:22:31 -0000 Message-ID: <00c201bec1bd$1b4eee90$1f40e6cd@ingress.com> From: "Yarema" To: "Pat Lynch" Cc: "FreeBSd Chat list" References: Subject: Re: Of SDSL, speed and bad ISPs Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:22:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Thats should have read "just outside on NYC", I'm in Lodi, NJ > > Speaking of which, who is actually interested in getting together from the > NYC/NJ area? I tried this once before, for the Users Group...I'd like to > have another meeting soon, but I want to drum up as many users as > possible. -Pat IngressNet, the ISP I work for sells both Covad and NorthPoint DSL in the NYC/NJ area. If an area is covered by both companies I'll choose Covad over NorthPoint in every case unless a customer demands otherwise. Covad is more responsive and has a much better support infrastructure for the ISPs than NorthPoint. If you are in Hudson County though, your choices are BellAtlantic and Northpoint. BellAtlantic should be avoided at all costs. Yes I'm biased. Not because I perceive them as competitors, rather cuz BellAtlantic has given me too much grief as a vendor to ever trust them. For home use I recently subscribed to Comcast@Home cable service. IMO, the best deal around where available. I've hit download speeds of >200KBps (yes, I did mean bytes not bits per second) and it's only $40/month including $10 to lease the cable modem and a static IP is included. latencies are a bit high sometimes, but otherwise the speed is more than acceptable for the price. Also next time there's a FUNY get-together, could someone let me know directly? I'd like to attend, but if it's only announced on one of these FreeBSD lists I might miss it. Thanks. -- Yarema SysAdmin IngressNet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 16:25:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B389514C23 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id JAA25063; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:25:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990629092527.11568@welearn.com.au> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:25:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: W Gerald Hicks Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, wghicks@wghicks.bellsouth.net Subject: Re: speaker tunes References: <19990628204744.00607@welearn.com.au> <199906282055.QAA91956@bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <199906282055.QAA91956@bellsouth.net>; from W Gerald Hicks on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 04:55:28PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 04:55:28PM -0400, W Gerald Hicks wrote: > > > Does anyone happen to have a nice collection of speaker tunes > > that they'd be willing to share? > > Umm, well I don't suppose you mean my mp3 collection... :-) > > The wmsound port includes a few that are useful for binding to > window manager actions (close, open, shade, etc). > > These are in .wav format, you can use waveplay or sox to convert > them to a desired format. > > The Window Maker developers are developing sound theme support for > Window Maker so you'll probably be able to start getting custom > sound sets from wm.themes.org Thanks, but this is for my server which does not have a sound card, just the PC speaker. Try spkrtest(8) to see what I mean. I thought some of the old fogeys here might have a secret collection stashed away as memorabilia with their fountain pens and whale bone corsets. If not I might have to write some myself to save a dying art. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 16:37: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DF21508C; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA97124; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:36:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Pat Lynch Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Francisco Reyes , spork , chat@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Jun 1999 01:36:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: Pat Lynch's message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pat Lynch writes: > Yep, thats what I was just about to say...we *started* one...its a little > dead right now...and we need some people to breath some life into > it...wanna help out ;) Well, as much as I'd love to help I'm a little "geographically challenged", to be politically correct :) Not to mention that I have my own user group to care for. I'm sorry to hear FUNY hasn't worked out so far... maybe you should try to make more aggressive use of the FreeBSD mailing lists? Hmm... Jordan, what do you think about putting in a blurb about user groups in /stand/sysinstall? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 16:40:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B33815145; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:40:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00787; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Pat Lynch , Francisco Reyes , spork , chat@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ In-reply-to: Your message of "29 Jun 1999 01:36:49 +0200." Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <783.930613148@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hmm... Jordan, what do you think about putting in a blurb about user > groups in /stand/sysinstall? I think it's a slippery slope into the deepest bowels of hell. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 16:47: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F071548E; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA97361; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:46:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Gregory Sutter Cc: Eivind Eklund , John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net> <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Jun 1999 01:46:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: Gregory Sutter's message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:48:44 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gregory Sutter writes: > On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:03:19PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > Did I mention getting rid of CVS? Ah, yes, I think I did. (It is > > necessary in order to get a decent handle on branched development - > > and you need branched development if you're going to do research.) > Perforce, perchance? OVCS. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 17:10:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cheddar.netmonger.net (cheddar.netmonger.net [209.54.21.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477D61548D; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@cheddar.netmonger.net) Received: (from chris@localhost) by cheddar.netmonger.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA25181; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990628201042.B24066@netmonger.net> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:10:42 -0400 From: Christopher Masto To: Gregory Sutter , Eivind Eklund Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? Mail-Followup-To: Gregory Sutter , Eivind Eklund , John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net> <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org>; from Gregory Sutter on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:48:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:48:44PM -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:03:19PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > > Did I mention getting rid of CVS? Ah, yes, I think I did. (It is > > necessary in order to get a decent handle on branched development - > > and you need branched development if you're going to do research.) > > Perforce, perchance? I would hate to see FreeBSD's source code locked up in closed-source, proprietary software. Particularly given the quote in your signature.. > Gregory S. Sutter "Software is like sex; it's better > mailto:gsutter@pobox.com when it's free." -- Linus Torvalds -- Christopher Masto Senior Network Monkey NetMonger Communications chris@netmonger.net info@netmonger.net http://www.netmonger.net Free yourself, free your machine, free the daemon -- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 17:20: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from web206.mail.yahoo.com (web206.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DD2A01548D for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjrm@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <19990629001830.26747.rocketmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [169.71.1.10] by web206.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:18:30 PDT Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Francisco Reyes Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ To: Pat Lynch , Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Francisco Reyes , spork , FreeBSd Chat list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --- Pat Lynch wrote: > Yep, thats what I was just about to say...we > *started* one...its a little > dead right now...and we need some people to breath > some life into > it...wanna help out ;) > -Pat > > http://www.funy.org/ > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no I would love to help. Quick questions. -Is there a mailing list for the group? -Was an organization/structure ever stablished? -Was a statement of purpose ever done? -Where is the site hosted? I could work on the site if I am given FTP rights. It is nice to see you also have the bsdunix.net domain... we could do something with that in the future... -After the initial meeting how many people have stated they are still interested? My suggestions for the group are in order of relevance: 1- Create a list 2- Stablish what the goals for the group will be 3- Create an organization structure where volunteers have clearly defined duties. It may sound like a lot of work, but it really doesn't have to be. Also for the goals for the group it could be something as simple as "promote FreeBSD in the tri-state and help fellow FreeBSD users in the area". Also it is nice to actually meet people but I think that the biggest force behind such group, at least initially, will be the mailing list and the site. When meetings do occur they should have a purpose and even if it is just for 20 to 30 minutes the purpose of the meeting shoudl be met. After taking care of business we could all just talk about our favorite topics or just bash MS for the rest of the night. :-) Till soon. Francisco francisco@natserv.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 17:27:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from idiotswitch.org (cr575310-a.shprd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.185.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11E1615031 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:27:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dark@idiotswitch.org) Received: (qmail 5581 invoked from network); 28 Jun 1999 20:26:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a11.idiotswitch.org) (10.0.0.11) by 10.0.0.1 with SMTP; 28 Jun 1999 20:26:24 -0000 From: Rod Taylor To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Users in Toronto Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:59 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99062820293400.01009@a11.idiotswitch.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A while ago I contacted a few people regarding their announcement about putting together a Toronto Users group. Just wondering what happened with that? Anyhow, I'm still interested, and am hoping those people read this mailing list, as I've lost the address. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 18: 7:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thelab.hub.org (nat197.79.mpoweredpc.net [142.177.197.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A42014E96 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (scrappy@localhost) by thelab.hub.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA62245; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:08:02 -0300 (ADT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: thelab.hub.org: scrappy owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:08:01 -0300 (ADT) From: The Hermit Hacker To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: sandman@hub.org, samba@samba.org Subject: Linux vs NT: a new test Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't know how many ppl saw/read the following: http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1015266,00.html One of the comments on Slashdot was the question as to how well 4.4lite would have done in the same tests, as they "theorize" that alot of the problems revolve around Linux's IP stack... Now if only we had a working MMAP, we'd be all set... Marc G. Fournier ICQ#7615664 IRC Nick: Scrappy Systems Administrator @ hub.org primary: scrappy@hub.org secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 18:24: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CC514EF8 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id VAA00559; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:25:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199906290125.VAA00559@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ In-Reply-To: from Dag-Erling Smorgrav at "Jun 28, 99 07:01:39 pm" To: des@flood.ping.uio.no (Dag-Erling Smorgrav) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freyes@inch.com, lynch@bsdunix.net, spork@super-g.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote, > "Francisco Reyes" writes: > > Perhaps we should put up a web site and try to get names for a month or > > two till we have a reasonable group. Alternatively we could start with > > just a handfull of people (at least 4) and try to organize a FreeBSD > > user's group. > > http://www.funy.org/ *Pulls up site in browser... picture materializes...* AAHH!!! Wow, jeez. You need to warn people before sending them to something like that. *Thinks for a minute...* Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't say things like that. I'm in Princeton, NJ, am in NYC all of the time, and would be interested in hearing about what's up with the group... Which means they might see _me_ (and be close enough to take a swing for any comments I make[0]). *Thinks...* How do you get emacs to quit without sending? ^C ^Z ^D^D ^C^C^C^C^X -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com [0] *Looks again at picture...* I could take 'em. ;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 18:49:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cygnus.rush.net (cygnus.rush.net [209.45.245.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81D3914BFE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@rush.net) Received: from localhost (bright@localhost) by cygnus.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01526; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:52:38 -0500 (EST) From: Alfred Perlstein To: The Hermit Hacker Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, sandman@hub.org, samba@samba.org Subject: Re: Linux vs NT: a new test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > Don't know how many ppl saw/read the following: > > http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/news/0,4153,1015266,00.html > > One of the comments on Slashdot was the question as to how well 4.4lite > would have done in the same tests, as they "theorize" that alot of the > problems revolve around Linux's IP stack... > > Now if only we had a working MMAP, we'd be all set... Do you have any URLs or tests that show the flaws in FreeBSD's mmap? Just interested to know what they are. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 19:30: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D5214C23 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:30:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA10672; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906290228.TAA10672@implode.root.com> To: Kris Kirby Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 100 Mbps Ethernet? (fxp, xl performance) In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:23:43 -0000." <3777AF9F.5ECFCF38@airnet.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:28:33 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I've got a crossover cable running between a P5/166 (fxp0) and a >K6/2-350 (xl0). It's negotiated at 100Mbps. I'm seeing ~3.5 MB/s from >the P5 to the K6-2, and 5.7[12] MB/s in the reverse direction. Is this >about right? The network is taking almost 50% of the CPU of the P5. For 50% CPU, yes, that's about right. You can do about 11MB/sec on a typical P5 system (100% CPU). It looks like the K6 is throttling the speed potential or the test you're doing is slowing it down (perhaps involving file I/O?). -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org Creator of high-performance Internet servers - http://www.terasolutions.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 19:41:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368E914FBE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:41:18 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: , "Kris Kirby" Cc: Subject: RE: 100 Mbps Ethernet? (fxp, xl performance) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 19:41:18 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bec1d8$dd6c6dc0$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <199906290228.TAA10672@implode.root.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Small writes can hurt too. As can just generally bad design (like waiting for one type of I/O before doing another). How are you measuring these numbers? With ftp/ftpd? DS > >I've got a crossover cable running between a P5/166 (fxp0) and a > >K6/2-350 (xl0). It's negotiated at 100Mbps. I'm seeing ~3.5 MB/s from > >the P5 to the K6-2, and 5.7[12] MB/s in the reverse direction. Is this > >about right? The network is taking almost 50% of the CPU of the P5. > > For 50% CPU, yes, that's about right. You can do about 11MB/sec on a > typical P5 system (100% CPU). It looks like the K6 is throttling the > speed potential or the test you're doing is slowing it down (perhaps > involving file I/O?). > > -DG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 20:32:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6D014DA6 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:46603 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:31:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:31:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Rod Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto In-Reply-To: <99062820293400.01009@a11.idiotswitch.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > A while ago I contacted a few people regarding their announcement > about putting together a Toronto Users group. Just wondering what happened > with that? > > Anyhow, I'm still interested, and am hoping those people read this mailing > list, as I've lost the address. I have a feeling it went AWOL. Bummer. Maybe we should start one without whoever was organizing that previous attempt.. Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 20:35:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ayukawa.aus.org (ayukawa.aus.org [199.166.246.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B371C14D6C for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lh@aus.org) Received: from PHOENIX.ZER0.NET (lh@PHOENIX.ZER0.NET [199.166.246.189]) by ayukawa.aus.org (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24485; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906290335.XAA24485@ayukawa.aus.org> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-10 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: lh@aus.org From: Luke To: Alex Perel Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Rod Taylor Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -------------Original message follows---------------------- On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > A while ago I contacted a few people regarding their announcement > about putting together a Toronto Users group. Just wondering what happened > with that? > > Anyhow, I'm still interested, and am hoping those people read this mailing > list, as I've lost the address. I have a feeling it went AWOL. Bummer. Maybe we should start one without whoever was organizing that previous attempt.. I just sent the original poster a message, I would be interested. maybe a mailing list & link at the appropriate place on the freebsd www would be a good start to creating it? ( assuming I get no response ). Luke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 20:37:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from idiotswitch.org (cr575310-a.shprd1.on.wave.home.com [24.112.185.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B6CE14E23 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dark@idiotswitch.org) Received: (qmail 13470 invoked from network); 28 Jun 1999 23:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO a11.idiotswitch.org) (10.0.0.11) by 10.0.0.1 with SMTP; 28 Jun 1999 23:36:38 -0000 From: Rod Taylor To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:36:00 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: Cc: Alex Perel MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99062823395000.01652@a11.idiotswitch.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm game... Though, am not the most qualified person around :) What do we need for these things... Location with computers, time and a reason for people to go? (The latter probably being the hardest). > > A while ago I contacted a few people regarding their announcement > > about putting together a Toronto Users group. Just wondering what happened > > with that? > > > > Anyhow, I'm still interested, and am hoping those people read this mailing > > list, as I've lost the address. > > I have a feeling it went AWOL. Bummer. > Maybe we should start one without whoever was organizing that previous > attempt.. -- Some people say that I must be a horrible person, but that's not true. I have the heart of a young boy - in a jar on my desk. -Stephen King ---- Rod Taylor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 20:50:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F00314FC6 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:49931 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:50:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Rod Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto In-Reply-To: <99062823395000.01652@a11.idiotswitch.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > I'm game... > > Though, am not the most qualified person around :) Hah, you think I am? > What do we need for these things... > > Location with computers, time and a reason for people to go? For now, probably just a place to meet for coffee or whatnot. Maybe hold discussions or presentations.. Maybe Josef can put in some ideas, seeing as he's got a fair amount of experience in this sort of thing. Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 21:26:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ftf.dk (mail.ftf.net [129.142.64.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D9D1508D for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:26:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from regnauld@ftf.net) Received: from ns.int.ftf.net (fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged)) by mail.ftf.dk (8.9.3/8.9.3/gw-ftf-1.2) with ESMTP id GAA03083; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:27:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.ftf.dk: Host fw2.ftf.dk [192.168.1.2] (may be forged) claimed to be ns.int.ftf.net Received: (from regnauld@localhost) by ns.int.ftf.net (8.9.2/8.9.3) id GAA83251; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:38:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19990629063807.42978@ns.int.ftf.net> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:38:07 +0200 From: Phil Regnauld To: Branson.Matheson@FergInc.com Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pics from Usenix References: <19990628073645.A83488@belmakor.hq.ferg.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990628073645.A83488@belmakor.hq.ferg.com>; from Branson Matheson on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 07:36:45AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386 Organization: FTFnet Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Branson Matheson writes: > I know lots of people took them .. was wondering if anyone had put > them up on the net yet? Still not out of the chemical world :-) -- Pingouins dans les champs, hiver méchant. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jun 28 21:31:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from python.shoal.net.au (python.shoal.net.au [203.26.44.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3939E14D5B for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 21:31:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@python.shoal.net.au) Received: from localhost (andrew@localhost) by python.shoal.net.au (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA22452; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:30:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:30:51 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Perry To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Brandon Fosdick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've heard another variation, seen on a Mambo T-shirt not certain of the exact quote. live fast, die young, wearing a nice/cool/good pair of shorts. Andrew Perry On 28 Jun 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Brandon Fosdick writes: > > I got this from one of the characters in a TV series that was run for one season > > a few years back. I forget what it was called, "Kindred" I think. It was about > > vampires and had the "noxema girl" in it (thats why I watched it :) It also had > > that guy that now plays the hybrid hunter on the X-Files. > > Well, now you know where *they* got it from :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 1:18:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049D414C1D for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:18:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA20427; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:18:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA60534; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:18:46 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Gregory Sutter Cc: John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990629101846.F56075@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net> <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org>; from Gregory Sutter on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:48:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:48:44PM -0700, Gregory Sutter wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 03:03:19PM +0200, Eivind Eklund wrote: > > > > Did I mention getting rid of CVS? Ah, yes, I think I did. (It is > > necessary in order to get a decent handle on branched development - > > and you need branched development if you're going to do research.) > > Perforce, perchance? Perforce would be an improvement for the developers that presently have commit privileges. I believe it would significantly speed up FreeBSD development. The main reason we're not using it as of today is that we do not want our development process to be dependent on closed source software. However, Perforce wouldn't be a direct improvement for the people that do not have commit privs. They would get indirect benefits from the changes that Perforce supports, but they wouldn't get the direct benefits. I believe FreeBSD needs something that allows external parties to create branches/Lines of Development (for their own use) as easily as the FreeBSD committers can. There are no present alternatives that cover this well; I know of two systems at various stages of development with this capability, but none that are finished. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 1:27:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (ontario.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6624C14C1D for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:27:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id BAA46594; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:27:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 01:27:01 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Pat Lynch Cc: Dan Strick , nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Con Message-ID: <19990629012701.A46455@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com References: <199906270341.UAA11156@math.berkeley.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Pat Lynch on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 08:02:46AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 08:02:46AM -0400, Pat Lynch wrote: > My brother has been trying to get me to get a "Chucky" the Daemon tattoo > for almost a year now..... > > he even insisted on choosing the pseudonym "BSDaemon" for me on his album > (I'm helping to produce the thing) I know several people who have "Chuck" tats. Been thinking about getting one myself. If you make it to FreeBSD Con and want one I know this tattoo artist in Fremont who has done all the ones I have seen. His work is very good, his office is clean like a doctors office, he is not very expensive and the karma is good. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.2 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 5:16:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beelzebubba.sysabend.org (beelzebubba.sysabend.org [208.243.107.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CDC14C39 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E394169; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beelzebubba.sysabend.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 832979B37; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:16:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Greg Lehey Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: environment strings In-Reply-To: <19990629141057.I85121@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: :I think that, for FreeBSD, the source is the only place you'll find :it. There's a brief description in "Porting UNIX Software" :(http://www.ora.com/catalog/port/noframes.html), but that's not :specific to FreeBSD. Gee, I wonder who wrote that? Jamie Bowden -- If we've got to fight over grep, sign me up. But boggle can go. -Ted Faber (on Hasbro's request for removal of /usr/games/boggle) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 5:45:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cgc.ns.ca (mail.cgc.ns.ca [142.176.88.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9E614EAB for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@cgc.ns.ca) Received: from pcglenn (h138045.cgc.dfo.ca [142.2.138.45]) by mail.cgc.ns.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA28499 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:45:18 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629094302.00953560@mail.cgc.ns.ca> X-Sender: glenn@mail.cgc.ns.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:43:02 -0300 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Glenn Campbell Subject: ftpchroot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone out there used /etc/ftpchroot for users on your system. My system refuses to do a chroot when users ftp into their home dirs. Only my anonymous login seems to work. I am using a fresh install of 2.2.6. Any ideas? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 5:52: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318DC14EAB for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 05:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00911; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:51:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Ollivier Robert Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Pics from Usenix In-Reply-To: <19990628203101.B53828@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes you should!, none of ours came out because our camera was broken! *sigh* -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Branson Matheson: > > I know lots of people took them .. was wondering if anyone had put > > them up on the net yet? > > Mine are still in the camera, I should get them developed. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #71: Sun May 9 20:16:32 CEST 1999 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6: 6:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EE414BCE for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01036; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Francisco Reyes Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Francisco Reyes , spork , FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ In-Reply-To: <19990629001830.26747.rocketmail@web206.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Francisco Reyes wrote: > --- Pat Lynch wrote: > > Yep, thats what I was just about to say...we > > *started* one...its a little > > dead right now...and we need some people to breath > > some life into > > it...wanna help out ;) > > -Pat > > > http://www.funy.org/ > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > I would love to help. > > Quick questions. > -Is there a mailing list for the group? Yes, there is a list....members@funy.org > -Was an organization/structure ever stablished? Yes and no, right now we are a lossely confedrated group of people who like to have Indian food. > -Was a statement of purpose ever done? Yes, we discussed it, but it never made it to an actual concrete statement of purpose... > -Where is the site hosted? I could work on the site if > I am given FTP rights. It is nice to see you also have > the bsdunix.net domain... we could do something with > that in the future... The site is hosted on my machine...could be hosted alsewhere as well if need be (Chris Masto said something about having a dedicated box for FUNY stuff.....) > -After the initial meeting how many people have stated > they are still interested? everyone, even DES who is in .no =) DES was at our first meeting, he rocks. can't wait to see him at FreeBSDcon =) > > My suggestions for the group are in order of > relevance: > 1- Create a list > 2- Stablish what the goals for the group will be > 3- Create an organization structure where volunteers > have clearly defined duties. > > It may sound like a lot of work, but it really doesn't > have to be. Yeah, our biggest problem has been the distance between all of us, Chris Masto and Jordan Coleman are out on Long Island, Nathan Dorfman is in Noew York State (Orangeburg), I'm in Lodi, NJ (Hoboken NJ for work...) I"m thinkign of maybe having one major meeting a month, and several "chapter" meetings locally, where we can drum up support locally. The major meetings can be in NYC , since thats pretty central... > > Also for the goals for the group it could be something > as simple as "promote FreeBSD in the tri-state and > help fellow FreeBSD users in the area". A couple people have discussed making it *BSD (which would change our name to BUNY...ummm.... > > Also it is nice to actually meet people but I think > that the biggest force behind such group, at least > initially, will be the mailing list and the site. When > meetings do occur they should have a purpose and even > if it is just for 20 to 30 minutes the purpose of the > meeting shoudl be met. After taking care of business > we could all just talk about our favorite topics or > just bash MS for the rest of the night. :-) > Actually dinner is a great purpose as well, you should see pics at www.funy.org/www.bsdunix.net. > Till soon. > Francisco > francisco@natserv.com > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6: 6:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C9414EB1 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01069; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:06:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Alex Perel Cc: Rod Taylor , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you do, get in touch with pjp@bsd-daemon.net ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Alex Perel wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: > > > A while ago I contacted a few people regarding their announcement > > about putting together a Toronto Users group. Just wondering what happened > > with that? > > > > Anyhow, I'm still interested, and am hoping those people read this mailing > > list, as I've lost the address. > > I have a feeling it went AWOL. Bummer. > Maybe we should start one without whoever was organizing that previous > attempt.. > > > > Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 > veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com > > Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD > == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6:11:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD28814BCE for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01145; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Glenn Campbell Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftpchroot In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990629094302.00953560@mail.cgc.ns.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, the format of the file should be like this : @user @user2 remember when you chroot like that, you need to have at least a skeleton filesystem in each homedire like the original anonymous ftp directory. -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Glenn Campbell wrote: > Has anyone out there used /etc/ftpchroot for users on your system. My > system refuses to do a chroot when users ftp into their home dirs. Only my > anonymous login seems to work. I am using a fresh install of 2.2.6. > Any ideas? > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6:20:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEEE01517F for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:10247 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:19:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Pat Lynch Cc: Rod Taylor , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Pat Lynch wrote: > If you do, get in touch with pjp@bsd-daemon.net > Sure! But.. umm.. why? Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6:20:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD721514E for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:20:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA15629; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:19:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Pat Lynch Cc: Francisco Reyes , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Francisco Reyes , spork , FreeBSd Chat list Subject: Re: FreeBSD users in NY/NJ References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Jun 1999 15:19:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: Pat Lynch's message of "Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:04:40 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pat Lynch writes: > On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > -After the initial meeting how many people have stated > > they are still interested? > everyone, even DES who is in .no =) > DES was at our first meeting, he rocks. can't wait to see him at > FreeBSDcon =) Man, if I spend too much time around you guys, all kinds of weird shit is gonna happen to my ego :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6:31:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADADE14C56 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:31:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01349; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Alex Perel Cc: Rod Taylor , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org he was interested in a Toronto users grou....I think a friend of his was going to try to start one as well ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Alex Perel wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Pat Lynch wrote: > > > If you do, get in touch with pjp@bsd-daemon.net > > > > Sure! But.. umm.. why? > > Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 > veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com > > Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD > == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6:36:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB2114F16 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA15993; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:36:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Pat Lynch Cc: Glenn Campbell , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftpchroot References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Jun 1999 15:36:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: Pat Lynch's message of "Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pat Lynch writes: > remember when you chroot like that, you need to have at least a skeleton > filesystem in each homedire like the original anonymous ftp directory. Not if you compile ftpd with INTERNAL_LS and don't mind numeric user / group IDs... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 6:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from reliant.nielsenmedia.com (reliant.nielsenmedia.com [205.129.32.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41951514E for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 06:51:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from David_W_Gray@tvratings.com) Received: from nielsenmedia.com (ibis.nielsenmedia.com [10.9.42.160]) by reliant.nielsenmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24595 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nmrusdunsxg0.nielsenmedia.com (nmrusdunsxg0.nielsenmedia.com [10.9.11.120]) by nielsenmedia.com (8.8.7/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16817 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nmrusdunsxg0.nielsenmedia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: <01D4D419B1A4D111A30400805FE65B133B0D60@nmrusdunsx1.nielsenmedia.com> From: "Gray, David W." To: "'FreeBSD Chat List'" Subject: distro? Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:52:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At the computer show this weekend, saw a FreeBSD 3.2 cdrom set at a local vendor's stand. Didn't look exactly like the set I got on subscription, so I took a second look. Who is Greenbay Software? This was a knock-off of the Walnut Creek distribution, all 4 disks of it. I didn't buy it (Hey, I already HAVE 3.2), but it appears to be a close clone of the WC set. Does not Walnut Creek have a compilation copyright on the distribution? I'm glad to see FreeBSD out there (scads of RedHat and Caldera around), but this is a little too close to the bone. (They wanted $29.95 for it, so its not even a Cheapbytes sort of thing.) Anybody know about this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 8:20:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from november.jaded.net (november.jaded.net [216.94.113.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353DB152B0 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@november.jaded.net) Received: (from dan@localhost) by november.jaded.net (8.9.3/8.9.3+trinsec_nospam) id LAA65905; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:31:22 -0400 From: Dan Moschuk To: Rod Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Users in Toronto Message-ID: <19990629113122.E65599@trinsec.com> References: <99062820293400.01009@a11.idiotswitch.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <99062820293400.01009@a11.idiotswitch.org>; from Rod Taylor on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 08:27:59PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | A while ago I contacted a few people regarding their announcement | about putting together a Toronto Users group. Just wondering what happened | with that? | | Anyhow, I'm still interested, and am hoping those people read this mailing | list, as I've lost the address. Yup! Still here, although I rarely give -chat any more than a quick skim in the morning. We have a machine setup (gtafug.org) that will likely host a mailing list and a website. I guess starting off with the mailing list would be the best idea, and seeing where things go from there. Cheers! Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 8:39:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCE914F54 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02409; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: "Gray, David W." Cc: "'FreeBSD Chat List'" Subject: Re: distro? In-Reply-To: <01D4D419B1A4D111A30400805FE65B133B0D60@nmrusdunsx1.nielsenmedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, but I'm tempted to order it to see how close to the copyrighted compilation it is... http://st3.yahoo.com/greenbaycdrom/freebsd.html its evidently sold by Yahoo??!?! maybe someone else knows more... -Pat ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Gray, David W. wrote: > At the computer show this weekend, saw a FreeBSD 3.2 cdrom set at a local > vendor's stand. Didn't look exactly like the set I got on subscription, so I > took a second look. > > Who is Greenbay Software? This was a knock-off of the Walnut Creek > distribution, all 4 disks of it. I didn't buy it (Hey, I already HAVE 3.2), > but it appears to be a close clone of the WC set. Does not Walnut Creek have > a compilation copyright on the distribution? I'm glad to see FreeBSD out > there (scads of RedHat and Caldera around), but this is a little too close > to the bone. (They wanted $29.95 for it, so its not even a Cheapbytes sort > of thing.) Anybody know about this? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 9:34:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A28561549E for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:34:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id SAA20122; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:34:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Pat Lynch Cc: "Gray, David W." , "'FreeBSD Chat List'" Subject: Re: distro? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 29 Jun 1999 18:34:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: Pat Lynch's message of "Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:39:05 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pat Lynch writes: > No, but I'm tempted to order it to see how close to the copyrighted > compilation it is... > > http://st3.yahoo.com/greenbaycdrom/freebsd.html > > its evidently sold by Yahoo??!?! I think it's a coincidence. The server apparently belongs to Viaweb Corporation (based in Cambridge, MA), and serves both the Yahoo Store (store.yahoo.com) and the GreenBay CD site (www.greenbaycd.com). I don't know what kind of web server they use, but it's apparently either poorly designed or poorly configured, since it does not separate the sites from eachother. It does run FreeBSD, though. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 10:56:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.click2net.com (mail.click2net.com [216.94.59.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD281153F8 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoff@click2net.com) Received: from click2net.com (sparrow.click2net.com [216.94.59.226]) by mail.click2net.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22807; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:57:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from geoff@click2net.com) Message-ID: <37790933.A51548C0@click2net.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:58:11 -0400 From: Geoffrey Robinson Organization: Click2net inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: dark@idiotswitch.org, veers@disturbed.net, lh@aus.org, lynch@bsdunix.net, Dan Moschuk Subject: Greater Toronto Users Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, first off I apologize for getting behind on the GTAFUG project. I've been very busy lately and couldn't do much work on it. However I was able to secure a domain name (gtafug.org) and get a dedicated server on-line connected to a T1. The only thing holding the project back is content for the web site but I've got somebody lined up to work on it. To speed things up I'll get a mailing list setup today. -- Geoffrey Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 10:59:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cgc.ns.ca (mail.cgc.ns.ca [142.176.88.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6923815463 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glenn@cgc.ns.ca) Received: from pcglenn (h138045.cgc.dfo.ca [142.2.138.45]) by mail.cgc.ns.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA07134 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:59:36 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990629145704.008959b0@mail.cgc.ns.ca> X-Sender: glenn@mail.cgc.ns.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:57:04 -0300 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Glenn Campbell Subject: Upgrading to 3.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all .. In addressing my ftpchroot problem I was thinking of upgrading to 3.2. Will I have to backup all of my filesystems for a fresh new fs wipe and create or can I preserve the existing contents easily and upgrade? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 11:47:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE62514F95; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:47:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.198.93]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA50AF; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:47:03 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30564; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:36:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:36:25 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Gregory Sutter , Eivind Eklund , John Baldwin , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? Message-ID: <19990629203625.A30104@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: <19990625235045.49711@ns.int.ftf.net> <199906280427.AAA10134@smtp3.erols.com> <19990628150318.A54807@bitbox.follo.net> <19990628154844.A25356@001101.zer0.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Dag-Erling Smorgrav on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 01:46:42AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Dag-Erling Smorgrav (des@flood.ping.uio.no) [990629 02:47]: > > OVCS. I came _this_ close to give you a hug *evil grin* Anyways where are _YOUR_ postings on the list DES? *G* ha det! -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at it's best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 12:35:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F6614D5B for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:35:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marko@globalnet.co.uk) Received: from pf6s02a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.210.247] helo=marder-1.) by sand4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10z3fC-0005H8-00; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:35:26 +0100 Received: (from marko@localhost) by marder-1. (8.9.2/8.8.8) id UAA00296; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:31:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from marko) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:31:35 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Gray, David W." Cc: "'FreeBSD Chat List'" Subject: Re: distro? Message-ID: <19990629203135.A253@marder-1> References: <01D4D419B1A4D111A30400805FE65B133B0D60@nmrusdunsx1.nielsenmedia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <01D4D419B1A4D111A30400805FE65B133B0D60@nmrusdunsx1.nielsenmedia.com>; from Gray, David W. on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 09:52:22AM -0400 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 09:52:22AM -0400, Gray, David W. wrote: > At the computer show this weekend, saw a FreeBSD 3.2 cdrom set at a local > vendor's stand. Didn't look exactly like the set I got on subscription, so I > took a second look. > > Who is Greenbay Software? This was a knock-off of the Walnut Creek > distribution, all 4 disks of it. I didn't buy it (Hey, I already HAVE 3.2), > but it appears to be a close clone of the WC set. Does not Walnut Creek have > a compilation copyright on the distribution? I'm glad to see FreeBSD out > there (scads of RedHat and Caldera around), but this is a little too close > to the bone. (They wanted $29.95 for it, so its not even a Cheapbytes sort > of thing.) Anybody know about this? > http://www.auctioner.net/bsd32.html although the page says "FREE BSE Version 3.2" :-/ Maybe they think Chuck's a mad cow? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > -- FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~markov _______________________________________________________________ Mark Ovens, CNC Apps Engineer, Radan Computational Ltd. Bath UK CAD/CAM solutions for Sheetmetal Working Industry mailto:markov@globalnet.co.uk http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 12:48:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gdead.adm.ispchannel.net (gdead.adm.ispchannel.net [208.138.36.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97E0153B6 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@gdead.adm.ispchannel.net) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by gdead.adm.ispchannel.net (8.9.3/8.9.2) id MAA05644; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:48:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:48:08 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Mark Ovens Cc: "Gray, David W." , "'FreeBSD Chat List'" Subject: Re: distro? Message-ID: <19990629124808.A5618@gdead.adm.ispchannel.net> Reply-To: jgrosch@ispchannel.com References: <01D4D419B1A4D111A30400805FE65B133B0D60@nmrusdunsx1.nielsenmedia.com> <19990629203135.A253@marder-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990629203135.A253@marder-1>; from Mark Ovens on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 08:31:35PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 08:31:35PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 09:52:22AM -0400, Gray, David W. wrote: > > At the computer show this weekend, saw a FreeBSD 3.2 cdrom set at a local > > vendor's stand. Didn't look exactly like the set I got on subscription, so I > > took a second look. > > > > Who is Greenbay Software? This was a knock-off of the Walnut Creek > > distribution, all 4 disks of it. I didn't buy it (Hey, I already HAVE 3.2), > > but it appears to be a close clone of the WC set. Does not Walnut Creek have > > a compilation copyright on the distribution? I'm glad to see FreeBSD out > > there (scads of RedHat and Caldera around), but this is a little too close > > to the bone. (They wanted $29.95 for it, so its not even a Cheapbytes sort > > of thing.) Anybody know about this? > > Yea, saw that at the Install-A-Thon, bought a copy. It has no image of "chuck" so there is no copyright issue there. It looks like they are claiming copyright for FreeBSD but maybe I'm being a little sensitive. The funny thing is they list www.freebsd.org for support. Hav'nt tried to use it to install yet. Maybe I can find time tonight. Josef -- Josef Grosch | FreeBSD 3.2 | Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group jgrosch@ispchannel.com | www.freebsd.org | www.bafug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 13:34:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781E814EBD; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:34:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19331; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:34:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd019149; Tue Jun 29 13:34:10 1999 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24772; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:34:07 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199906292034.NAA24772@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: PR broken? was Re: Linux not FreeBSD? To: eivind@FreeBSD.ORG (Eivind Eklund) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:34:07 +0000 (GMT) Cc: gsutter@pobox.com, jobaldwi@vt.edu, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990629101846.F56075@bitbox.follo.net> from "Eivind Eklund" at Jun 29, 99 10:18:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Did I mention getting rid of CVS? Ah, yes, I think I did. (It is > > > necessary in order to get a decent handle on branched development - > > > and you need branched development if you're going to do research.) > > > > Perforce, perchance? [ ... ] > I believe FreeBSD needs something that allows external parties to > create branches/Lines of Development (for their own use) as easily as > the FreeBSD committers can. There are no present alternatives that > cover this well; I know of two systems at various stages of > development with this capability, but none that are finished. Larry McVoy's BitKeeper is finished. It's currently in beta, but this is supposedly just because of the license writeup issues, not for code reasons: http://www.bitkeeper.com/bk06.html Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 14:35: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EAA14BE5 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:35:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id XAA09385 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:35:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 8E4358837; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:43:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:43:09 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs NT: a new test Message-ID: <19990629224309.A62723@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Alfred Perlstein on Mon, Jun 28, 1999 at 08:52:38PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5423 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Alfred Perlstein: > Do you have any URLs or tests that show the flaws in FreeBSD's mmap? Download the "current" version of INN (through CVSup) and run it on a busy server (for readers). The new reader code extensively uses mmap() and it seems to trigger problems in our mmap (I'm on the inn-workers list like Marc). -=-=- # This file represents the standard CVSup distribution file # for the INN CVSup server # # Defaults that apply to all the collections *default host=inn-cvs.isc.org *default compress *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix *default tag=. # base directory points to where CVSup will store its 'bookmarks' file(s) *default base=/users/sup/inn # prefix directory points to where CVSup will store the actual distribution(s) *default prefix=/src/inn-current # complete distribution, including all below inn -=-=- -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #71: Sun May 9 20:16:32 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 16: 4:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CD7152F1 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:04:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:27400 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:04:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:04:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Geoffrey Robinson Cc: chat@freebsd.org, dark@idiotswitch.org, lh@aus.org, lynch@bsdunix.net, Dan Moschuk Subject: Re: Greater Toronto Users Group In-Reply-To: <37790933.A51548C0@click2net.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Geoffrey Robinson wrote: > Okay, first off I apologize for getting behind on the GTAFUG project. > I've been very busy lately and couldn't do much work on it. > > However I was able to secure a domain name (gtafug.org) and get a > dedicated server on-line connected to a T1. The only thing holding the > project back is content for the web site but I've got somebody lined up > to work on it. To speed things up I'll get a mailing list setup today. DAMN! You beat me to the mailing list punch! Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 17:11:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F016C151C7 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:11:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id JAA11585; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:41:21 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA28466; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:41:20 +0930 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:41:19 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Glenn Campbell Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Upgrading to 3.2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990629145704.008959b0@mail.cgc.ns.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Glenn Campbell wrote: > In addressing my ftpchroot problem I was thinking of upgrading to 3.2. Will > I have to backup all of my filesystems for a fresh new fs wipe and create > or can I preserve the existing contents easily and upgrade? Barring act of god, you can upgrade your system 'online' without needing to wipe partitions. It is always smart to back up before doing major upgrades, of course, but thousands of people have done exactly this without incident (some of us developers upgrade our systems almost daily :-). Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 17:13:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avarice.riverstyx.net (hq-port-97.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987A415384 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from avarice (unknown@avarice [207.23.37.97]) by avarice.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22037; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:10:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:10:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tani Hosokawa To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Glenn Campbell , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrading to 3.2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > In addressing my ftpchroot problem I was thinking of upgrading to 3.2. Will > > I have to backup all of my filesystems for a fresh new fs wipe and create > > or can I preserve the existing contents easily and upgrade? > Barring act of god, you can upgrade your system 'online' without needing to > wipe partitions. It is always smart to back up before doing major upgrades, of > course, but thousands of people have done exactly this without incident (some > of us developers upgrade our systems almost daily :-). Instead of actually upgrading your entire system just to fix one niggling problem, why not just try a new FTP server? You might have better luck with, say, ProFTPD... upgrading seems like overkill IMHO. --- tani hosokawa river styx internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 18: 8: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C35914F73 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vanderh@ecf.toronto.edu) Received: from localhost.nowhere (ppp18358.on.bellglobal.com [206.172.130.38]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA27116; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by localhost.nowhere (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA49171; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:08:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tim) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:08:13 -0400 From: Tim Vanderhoek To: Alex Perel Cc: Geoffrey Robinson , chat@freebsd.org, dark@idiotswitch.org, lh@aus.org, lynch@bsdunix.net, Dan Moschuk Subject: Re: Greater Toronto Users Group Message-ID: <19990629210812.C34991@mad> References: <37790933.A51548C0@click2net.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: ; from Alex Perel on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 07:04:17PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 07:04:17PM -0400, Alex Perel wrote: > > > to work on it. To speed things up I'll get a mailing list setup today. > > DAMN! You beat me to the mailing list punch! Not yet; I'm still whatching for someone to announce the actual list address for me. :-) -- This is my .signature which gets appended to the end of my messages. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 18: 9:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1558515448 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:09:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:41480 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:09:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:09:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: Tim Vanderhoek Cc: Geoffrey Robinson , chat@freebsd.org, dark@idiotswitch.org, lh@aus.org, lynch@bsdunix.net, Dan Moschuk Subject: Re: Greater Toronto Users Group In-Reply-To: <19990629210812.C34991@mad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, Tim Vanderhoek wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 07:04:17PM -0400, Alex Perel wrote: > > > > > to work on it. To speed things up I'll get a mailing list setup today. > > > > DAMN! You beat me to the mailing list punch! > > Not yet; I'm still whatching for someone to announce the actual list > address for me. :-) If I see nothing by 11 PM, I'm putting one up myself. Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 20:15:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47FC1549E for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:58120 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:14:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Greater Toronto Area FreeBSD mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, it's past my 11 PM deadline. I've put up a mailing list for those of us interested in having a FreeBSD Users Group in Toronto. To subscribe, send mail to majordomo@disturbed.net with 'subscribe gtafug' in the body. Regular majordomo list, no surprises. Cheers! Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jun 29 23:59: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193F14C4B for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 23:58:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id QAA14996; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:28:45 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA06323; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:28:44 +0930 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:28:44 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Mark Newton Cc: chat@freebsd.org, cpiazza@home.net Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports LEGAL In-Reply-To: <199906300649.QAA34222@atdot.dotat.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Mark Newton wrote: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Joking aside, does this port really do anything other than spit newlines to > > the terminal? If so, I'm not sure it warrants being an entire port. > > Yeah, you're right. We should wait 'til the GNU version comes out, > with 75 command-line options... Then commit it to the base distribution. You mean `gcls --color-clear --black-clear --depth=25 --smooth-scroll=on --tune=stairway_to_heaven.mp3 --nice=-20`? It's indispensable! :) Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 0: 7:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.click2net.com (mail.click2net.com [216.94.59.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E48C14D1E for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:07:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoff@click2net.com) Received: from click2net.com (sparrow.click2net.com [216.94.59.226]) by mail.click2net.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA25290; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:08:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from geoff@click2net.com) Message-ID: <3779C292.9152CC33@click2net.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:09:06 -0400 From: Geoffrey Robinson Organization: Click2net inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: veers@disturbed.net, vanderh@ecf.utoronto.ca Subject: GTAFUG mailling list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay the list is up. Do the usual majordomo subscribe thing to majordomo@gtafug.org. The one and only list right now is chat. -- Geoffrey Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 0:18:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868F114E0D for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11507; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 02:17:57 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Chris Piazza , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Useful aliases (was Re: cvs commit: ports LEGAL) Message-ID: <19990630021757.E26878@futuresouth.com> References: <19990629235629.A36035@norn.ca.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Kris Kennaway on Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 04:35:09PM +0930 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 04:35:09PM +0930, a little birdie told me that Kris Kennaway remarked > > I'd hate to see this set a precedent for committing things as ports which are > much better as trivial shell aliases or 1-line scripts. Maybe instead we could > create a page of 'useful aliases' or something to which people could make > their contributions. Hey, here's one [0] ;> (ttyp4):{143}% grep formatc .tcshrc alias formatc 'cat \!* | pr -t -e4 -n" "4' Most useful as 'formatc program.c | lpr', as it numbers the lines and whacks your tabs down to 4-char (like all sane tabstops should be [1] ). [0] I know cat isn't necessary. I'm too lazy to change it. [1] Note that I locally have a hacked copy of pico (yeah, but some of my collaborators use it) that, instead of the default hard-coded 8-char tabstops uses slightly less-hard-coded 4-char tabstops. The things I do... -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Matthew Fuller MF4839 http://www.over-yonder.net/ | * fullermd@futuresouth.com fullermd@over-yonder.net * | UNIX Systems Administrator Specializing in FreeBSD | * FutureSouth Communications ISPHelp ISP Consulting * | "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, | * is because I haven't figured out how to light the * | middle yet" | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 0:19:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from atdot.dotat.org (atdot.dotat.org [150.101.89.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBAA14E0D for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from newton@atdot.dotat.org) Received: (from newton@localhost) by atdot.dotat.org (8.9.3/8.7) id QAA34412; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:47:12 +0930 (CST) From: Mark Newton Message-Id: <199906300717.QAA34412@atdot.dotat.org> Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports LEGAL To: kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Kris Kennaway) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:47:11 +0930 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org, cpiazza@home.net In-Reply-To: from "Kris Kennaway" at Jun 30, 99 04:28:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Mark Newton wrote: > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Joking aside, does this port really do anything other than spit newlines to > > > the terminal? If so, I'm not sure it warrants being an entire port. > > > > Yeah, you're right. We should wait 'til the GNU version comes out, > > with 75 command-line options... Then commit it to the base distribution. > > You mean `gcls --color-clear --black-clear --depth=25 --smooth-scroll=on > --tune=stairway_to_heaven.mp3 --nice=-20`? It's indispensable! :) You forgot "--mailbox=/var/mail/newton". Remember that all free software projects develop ultimately to the point where they can read email. It'd be written with a modular architecture too, so that it'd start your windscreen wipers if you ran it on your car's MP3 player. - mark :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------- I tried an internal modem, newton@atdot.dotat.org but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton ----- Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 ------------- Fax: +61-8-82231777 ----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 0:49:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.36.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C52C514D77 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 00:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au) Received: from bragg (bragg [129.127.36.34]) by adelphi.physics.adelaide.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/UofA-1.5) with SMTP id RAA15478; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:19:01 +0930 (CST) Received: from localhost by bragg; (5.65/1.1.8.2/05Aug95-0227PM) id AA31748; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:19:00 +0930 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:19:00 +0930 (CST) From: Kris Kennaway X-Sender: kkennawa@bragg To: Mark Newton Cc: chat@freebsd.org, cpiazza@home.net Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports LEGAL In-Reply-To: <199906300717.QAA34412@atdot.dotat.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Mark Newton wrote: > > You mean `gcls --color-clear --black-clear --depth=25 --smooth-scroll=on > > --tune=stairway_to_heaven.mp3 --nice=-20`? It's indispensable! :) > > You forgot "--mailbox=/var/mail/newton". Remember that all free > software projects develop ultimately to the point where they can read > email. I normally use --mailbox=imap://mailserv/kris > It'd be written with a modular architecture too, so that it'd start > your windscreen wipers if you ran it on your car's MP3 player. :-) Kris ----- "Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes, because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." -- Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 3:32: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D7D14D9A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 03:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id UAA01320; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:31:47 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990630203138.26441@welearn.com.au> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:31:39 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Jesus Monroy Cc: Konrad Heuer , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Re: [FreeBSD Man Pages]] References: <19990630100355.2966.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990630100355.2966.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net>; from Jesus Monroy on Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 03:03:55AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [This has nothing to do with -advocacy] On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 03:03:55AM -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > Sue Blake wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 02:28:16AM -0700, Jesus Monroy wrote: > > > Konrad Heuer wrote: > > > > > > > > To my mind *one* of the points where FreeBSD is really good are > > > > the man > > > > pages. I don't have a proposal how to use this fact for promoting > > > > FreeBSD, > > > > but my intention is to mention that strength of FreeBSD here. > > > > > > > Very incorrect. Just a few days ago I show that 15% > > > of the online whatis(1) and man(1) records where > > > incorrect. > > > > For one definition of "incorrect". What you showed does not detract > > from the point that Konrad is making. > > > > > Wait a minute. Where is this arrogant attitude coming from! That's what I was wondering, but I wasn't going to mention it. > The results plainly should wrong pages index, bad references > and missing descriptions. > > Please explain your idea (or definition of "correct"). > (Please note I know where all the IEEE papers are on > correct. So think this through before you popoff.) The only person I can see popping here is you. Relax! Life's too short to stress out. You're sure to get a bit one day. -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 9:44:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (KievglavArhit-UTC.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADC915537 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (kulshedra [10.0.1.99]) by gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA31047 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:38:24 +0300 Message-ID: <377A4A1F.5D20AE23@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:47:27 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: page with traceroute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are anybody remember URL for page with traceroute web access from different places in the net ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 10: 8:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (mailstop.cstone.net [205.197.102.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D5F15567 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:07:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from fieldeng (fieldeng.cstone.net [205.197.102.253]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with SMTP id net; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:00:04 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990630131025.02ff6a30@cstone.net> X-Sender: highway@cstone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:10:25 -0400 To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua From: Sean Michael Whipkey Subject: Re: page with traceroute Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <377A4A1F.5D20AE23@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:47 PM 6/30/99 +0300, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: >Are anybody remember URL for page with traceroute web access from >different places in the net ? Well, you do have: http://www.samspade.org/ http://beacon.webtv.net/ Those are two I can think of off the top of my head. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - Cornerstone Networks Engineering - highway@cstone.net Report received spam to: spam-report@cstone.net with the full headers Cornerstone Networks - 804.817.7000 or 800.325.9848 - http://www.cstone.net "Linux is only free if your time has no value." - Jamie Zawinksi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 10:10:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (KievglavArhit-UTC.ukrtel.net [195.5.25.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A001557A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ruslan@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA) Received: from Shevchenko.Kiev.UA (kulshedra [10.0.1.99]) by gvinpin.grad.kiev.ua (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA31165; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:03:54 +0300 Message-ID: <377A5019.99B8992C@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:12:57 +0300 From: Ruslan Shevchenko Reply-To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: rssh@grad.kiev.ua, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: page with traceroute References: <3.0.6.32.19990630131025.02ff6a30@cstone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > > At 07:47 PM 6/30/99 +0300, Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > >Are anybody remember URL for page with traceroute web access from > >different places in the net ? > > Well, you do have: > http://www.samspade.org/ > http://beacon.webtv.net/ > > Those are two I can think of off the top of my head. > I'am idiot. www.traceroute.org ;) > SeanMike > > -- > SeanMike Whipkey - Cornerstone Networks Engineering - highway@cstone.net > Report received spam to: spam-report@cstone.net with the full headers > Cornerstone Networks - 804.817.7000 or 800.325.9848 - http://www.cstone.net > "Linux is only free if your time has no value." - Jamie Zawinksi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 12:32:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.click2net.com (mail.click2net.com [216.94.59.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89CF155DA for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 12:32:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geoff@click2net.com) Received: from click2net.com (sparrow.click2net.com [216.94.59.226]) by mail.click2net.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27469; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:33:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from geoff@click2net.com) Message-ID: <377A7112.35B8C25A@click2net.com> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:33:38 -0400 From: Geoffrey Robinson Organization: Click2net inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: Dan Moschuk , Chris Montgomery , veers@disturbed.net, bryanf@samurai.com, dgilbert@velocet.ca, skeezix@skeleton.org, paulg@interlog.com, dharvey@netcom.ca, apfortin@cyberbeach.net, webangel@netscape.net, fabio@guglielf.com, dark@idiotswitch.org, edward.ing@utoronto.ca, lh@aus.org Subject: Greater Toronto Area FreeBSD Users Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This email is being send to those who filled out the GTAFUG sign-up form. If you are watching freebsd-chat you will already know that GTAFUG just got its mailing list up. Unfortunately there is no web site yet as content is harder that created than I expected. You will also notice that some people got ticked off that it took so long and have started their own list. I'm hoping that these two efforts get unified in the near future since non-profit organizations competing with each other is ridiculous. To join the mailing list send the usual subscribe message (subscribe chat) to majordomo@gtafug.org. Sorry for the delay folks. --- Geoffrey Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 13:54:16 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fep09-svc.tin.it (mta09-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93AD15748 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from molter@tin.it) Received: from nympha.ecomotor.it ([212.216.61.92]) by fep09-svc.tin.it (InterMail v4.0 201-221-105) with SMTP id <19990630205343.MDOZ9464.fep09-svc@nympha.ecomotor.it> for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:53:43 +0200 Received: (qmail 1228 invoked by uid 1000); 30 Jun 1999 20:51:51 -0000 From: "Marco Molteni" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 22:51:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: molter@localhost To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Coming to San Francisco :-) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I am a student at the University of Milan, Italy. Next week I'll do my thesis exam on "Multicast cryptographic key distribution in an IPsec environment". Obviously the operating system I used is FreeBSD :-) I got two one-year job/internship offers in the SF Bay Area, one from Cisco and one from SRI International. I'd like *very* *very* much to do an experience like this (my gosh, I can't believe I'm so lucky: I read a map of the SF area and found so many cities tied to the history of computing and BSD :-). Now the hard part: I'd like to bring with me my fiancee, Francesca, who has a peculiar job: she's an art restorer. I'd like to find her a decent job (not necessarily related to arts). We already contacted many museums (eg SFMOMA, UC Berkeley Art Museum, Fine Arts Museum, etc) but got no positive replies so far. So I'm asking you some suggestions: who/what organization could I contact to find her a job (full-time, part-time, free-lance, whatever) in the SF Bay Area? Thanks a lot for your help Marco "I got an american dream" Molteni --- If we want to avoid zombies, we have to wait for our children. -- W. R. Stevens To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 18:54:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D156F14CBE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:54:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11170; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 20:53:57 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Doug Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports LEGAL Message-ID: <19990630205357.I26878@futuresouth.com> References: <19990701084530.A60540@gurney.reilly.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Doug on Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 04:13:29PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Deflect another ravel of this thread to -chat ] On Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 04:13:29PM -0700, a little birdie told me that Doug remarked > On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Andrew Reilly wrote: > > > > Why would any cls implementation be any nicer than the "clear" > > command that's been in Unix since we graduated from hardcopy > > terminals? (Well, maybe not that long, but it's been a while.) > > This whole concept originated from a discussion on the -newbies > list about how to clear the scroll back buffer from a console terminal. > The 'clear' command does not do that. I, for one, don't consider 'filled with blanks' == 'cleared'. I have a special option on my xterm menus to clear the scrollback, and it empties it out. And it'll take a lot of {1...100} to fill up 4096 lines of scrollback, as well. > Also, I agree that a collection of "Stupid user tricks" (sorry > Dave :) like this would be a good thing, however I don't think that the > ports are the place for it. How about some handbook pages? /me refrains from commenting in the interest of protecting his self-esteem. -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Matthew Fuller MF4839 http://www.over-yonder.net/ | * fullermd@futuresouth.com fullermd@over-yonder.net * | UNIX Systems Administrator Specializing in FreeBSD | * FutureSouth Communications ISPHelp ISP Consulting * | "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, | * is because I haven't figured out how to light the * | middle yet" | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jun 30 19:43:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A481569A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 19:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id EAA25743 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 04:43:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 5158D8837; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:39:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 00:39:46 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports LEGAL Message-ID: <19990701003946.A29628@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <199906300717.QAA34412@atdot.dotat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199906300717.QAA34412@atdot.dotat.org>; from Mark Newton on Wed, Jun 30, 1999 at 04:47:11PM +0930 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5431 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Mark Newton: > It'd be written with a modular architecture too, so that it'd start > your windscreen wipers if you ran it on your car's MP3 player. Just don't expect fairings :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #71: Sun May 9 20:16:32 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 1:56:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E8B156B1; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 01:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA75551; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:56:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Bill Fumerola , "Rodney W. Grimes" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc services References: <74233.930773582@zippy.cdrom.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 01 Jul 1999 10:56:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Wed, 30 Jun 1999 13:13:02 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > Bah, don't make me come over there and slap you unconscious with a > fresh halibut. :) ...a pet *choke*alibut named Eric? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 7:43:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515E157A4 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ben@scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from rainbow5.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.1.2] ident=exim) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10zhk0-0004hT-00; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 15:23:04 +0100 (envelope-from ben@rainbow5.scientia.demon.co.uk) Received: from rainbow5.scientia.demon.co.uk (ident=ben) by rainbow5.scientia.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 10zhjx-0002CY-00; Thu, 01 Jul 1999 15:23:01 +0100 (envelope-from ben@rainbow5.scientia.demon.co.uk) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:23:01 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: rssh@grad.kiev.ua Cc: Sean Michael Whipkey , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: page with traceroute Message-ID: <19990701152301.A8458@rainbow5.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.19990630131025.02ff6a30@cstone.net> <377A5019.99B8992C@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377A5019.99B8992C@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: >> >> Well, you do have: >> http://www.samspade.org/ >> http://beacon.webtv.net/ > > www.traceroute.org ;) A couple I know of: http://maps.vix.com/cgi-bin/nph-trace http://as5388.net/lg.html -- Ben Smithurst | PGP: 0x99392F7D ben@scientia.demon.co.uk | key available from keyservers and | ben+pgp@scientia.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 12:15:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0C815550; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19427; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Bill Fumerola , "Rodney W. Grimes" , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc services In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need a fish license!! for my pet halibut named eric.. and my half-a-bee named eric.... ___________________________________________________________________________ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net Systems Administrator Rush Networking ___________________________________________________________________________ On 1 Jul 1999, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > Bah, don't make me come over there and slap you unconscious with a > > fresh halibut. :) > > ...a pet *choke*alibut named Eric? > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 12:27:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (unknown [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EA714C14 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 12:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.13]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990701193107.CBEN3789.mta1-rme@wocker> for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:31:07 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 07:27:47 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: uptime (just rebooted) Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990701193107.CBEN3789.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just wish to announce that I've had to reboot my workstation. It had an uptime of 43 days. Oh, it's running NT. The real box has : 7:27AM up 113 days, 14:22, 4 users, load averages: 1.06, 1.01, 1.00 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 13:16:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8B514C4A for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 13:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA44383; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:16:37 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Message-Id: <199907012016.OAA44383@panzer.kdm.org> Subject: Re: uptime (just rebooted) In-Reply-To: <19990701193107.CBEN3789.mta1-rme@wocker> from Dan Langille at "Jul 2, 1999 07:27:47 am" To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 14:16:36 -0600 (MDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: "Kenneth D. Merry" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dan Langille wrote... > I just wish to announce that I've had to reboot my workstation. It had an > uptime of 43 days. > > Oh, it's running NT. > > The real box has : > > 7:27AM up 113 days, 14:22, 4 users, load averages: 1.06, 1.01, 1.00 $ uname -rs FreeBSD 2.1.7.1-RELEASE $ uptime 4:15PM up 282 days, 3:24, 4 users, load averages: 0.19, 0.05, 0.02 Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@plutotech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 16:17:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp11.bellglobal.com (smtp11.bellglobal.com [204.101.251.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896161504B for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 16:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.genkin@utoronto.ca) Received: from main.wgaf.net (HSE-TOR-ppp22907.sympatico.ca [209.226.71.197]) by smtp11.bellglobal.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA26419; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from antipode by main.wgaf.net with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 10zqaY-00006t-00; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 19:49:54 -0400 To: Geoffrey Robinson Cc: chat@freebsd.org, dark@idiotswitch.org, veers@disturbed.net, lh@aus.org, lynch@bsdunix.net, Dan Moschuk Subject: Re: Greater Toronto Users Group References: <37790933.A51548C0@click2net.com> From: Arcady Genkin Date: 01 Jul 1999 19:49:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: Geoffrey Robinson's message of "Tue, 29 Jun 1999 13:58:11 -0400" Message-ID: <87oghwq6al.fsf@main.wgaf.net> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070089 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.89) XEmacs/21.1 (20 Minutes to Nikko) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Geoffrey Robinson writes: > Okay, first off I apologize for getting behind on the GTAFUG project. > I've been very busy lately and couldn't do much work on it. > > However I was able to secure a domain name (gtafug.org) and get a > dedicated server on-line connected to a T1. The only thing holding the > project back is content for the web site but I've got somebody lined up > to work on it. To speed things up I'll get a mailing list setup today. Hi. I'm asked for a password when I go to gtafug.org. Are the FBSD User Groups open or closed? -- Arcady Genkin "... without money one gets nothing in this world, not even a certificate of eternal blessedness in the other world..." (S. Kierkegaard) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jul 1 17: 9:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shattered.disturbed.net (shattered.disturbed.net [205.236.147.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98FC14D09 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 17:09:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veers@disturbed.net) Received: from shattered.disturbed.net ([205.236.147.18]:15117 "EHLO shattered.disturbed.net") by disturbed.net with ESMTP id ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:09:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 20:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Alex Perel To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: That Other GTAFUG mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, This is to announce the formal death of the gtafug@disturbed.net mailing list. It seems that Geoffery Robinson got his list up and going, and that's going to be the formal home. To subscribe, pop an email to majordomo@gtafug.org with 'subscribe chat' in the body. Those few of you who got on my mailing list, you might want to do that right away. Cheers! Happy Canada Day! Alex G. Perel -=- AP5081 veers@disturbed.net -=- veers@samurai.com Disturbed Networks - Powered exclusively by FreeBSD == The Power to Serve -=- http://www.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 3:57:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE4314DE2 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 03:57:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) id UAA10797; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:57:32 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <19990702205727.33231@welearn.com.au> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:57:27 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: See, miracles can happen! :-) References: <19990702102934.8F805151CF@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <19990702102934.8F805151CF@hub.freebsd.org>; from thepinkpages@email.com on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 03:29:34AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 03:29:34AM -0700, thepinkpages@email.com wrote: > > >Number: 12486 > >Category: docs > >Synopsis: listing of (56) utilities in /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin without whatis(1) information Aaah, echoes of John 11:33-35 -- Regards, -*Sue*- (with apologies to those who see more there than literature) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 4:53:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8D814CCE for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 04:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA15655; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:53:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: Sue Blake Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: See, miracles can happen! :-) References: <19990702102934.8F805151CF@hub.freebsd.org> <19990702205727.33231@welearn.com.au> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 02 Jul 1999 13:53:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: Sue Blake's message of "Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:57:27 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue Blake writes: > On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 03:29:34AM -0700, thepinkpages@email.com wrote: > > > Number: 12486 > > > Category: docs > > > Synopsis: listing of (56) utilities in /bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin without whatis(1) information > Aaah, echoes of John 11:33-35 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. I don't quite see the connection... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 6: 9:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8EB14F3A; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 06:09:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id PAA17662; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:09:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: ofug-chat@ofug.org Subject: IETF 45 From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 02 Jul 1999 15:09:01 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Bcc: to hackers, Cc: to ofug-chat] As you may be aware of, IETF 45 will be held in Oslo, Norway the week after next. If any of you are going, or know of FreeBSD people who are going, and are interested in getting together with norwegian FreeBSD users and developers in a social context, don't hesitate to contact the Oslo FreeBSD User Group (http://www.ofug.org/). DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 6:23: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92CD14C18 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 06:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA11751; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:23:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA99890; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:23:01 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:23:00 +0200 From: Eivind Eklund To: Ollivier Robert Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs NT: a new test Message-ID: <19990702152300.Y92508@bitbox.follo.net> References: <19990629224309.A62723@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990629224309.A62723@keltia.freenix.fr>; from Ollivier Robert on Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 10:43:09PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 29, 1999 at 10:43:09PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Alfred Perlstein: > > Do you have any URLs or tests that show the flaws in FreeBSD's mmap? > > Download the "current" version of INN (through CVSup) and run it on > a busy server (for readers). The new reader code extensively uses > mmap() and it seems to trigger problems in our mmap (I'm on the > inn-workers list like Marc). Do the problems also occur under FreeBSD-current? Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 9:35:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from o-o.org (o-o.org [207.252.201.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C999B14C42 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from licia@o-o.org) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by o-o.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09512 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:35:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from licia@o-o.org) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:35:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Licia To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: kernel-hacker's guide? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A while back someone mentioned that work was being done on a sort of FreeBSD Kernel Hacker's Guide. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the status of this? I'm looking at working on a few odd things for my own use, and some solid documentation on the FreeBSD kernel (how to add system calls, the exact process needed to fork a process (not "use fork1" but the steps fork1 itself must do to start a process, how they are scheduled, where the code that currently performs these operations is located, etc, etc)) would be a life saver, not to mention the years of studying the source code it would save me ;) [ EMail : licia@o-o.org ] [ Name : Christine (Licia) Maxwell ] [ Home : http://www.o-o.org/~licia/ ] [ Hobbies : write, program, web, chat ] [ BBS : http://www.o-o.org/bbs/ ] [ Handles : Licia / LadyWolf / Sysop ] [ OS : http://www.freebsd.org/ ] [ Profiled: finger profiled@o-o.org ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 9:51:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E3714FD7 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 09:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r42.bfm.org [208.18.213.138]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id MAA10949 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990702115124.0099b480@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 11:51:24 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Shut up and show them the code Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just discovered Eric Raymond's new article where he sums up nicely what's wrong with RMS rhetoric: http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/shut-up-and-show-them.html Adam --- Gracula v3.0 just released. Don't miss it. Visit Count Gracula's Gallery: http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/gallery/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 10:30:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B7F1562C for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:30:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.1/frmug-2.3/nospam) with UUCP id TAA06236 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:30:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id DEA1D8837; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:28:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roberto) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:28:54 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux vs NT: a new test Message-ID: <19990702192854.A45414@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990629224309.A62723@keltia.freenix.fr> <19990702152300.Y92508@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990702152300.Y92508@bitbox.follo.net>; from Eivind Eklund on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 03:23:00PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF ctm#5431 AMD-K6 MMX @ 200 MHz Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Eivind Eklund: > Do the problems also occur under FreeBSD-current? I seem to recall that Marc is running 3.2-STABLE so the problem may be fixed in CURRENT. The best would be to contact him. I don't really have a busy machien on which I could run CURRENT versions of both FreeBSD and INN... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #71: Sun May 9 20:16:32 CEST 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:30:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B90F14CE0; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA001865068; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:17:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:38:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from umd5.umd.edu (umd5.umd.edu [128.8.10.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805E414CE0 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from frost.umd.edu (frost.umd.edu [128.8.10.186]) by umd5.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA31800; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by frost.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22993; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: frost.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@frost.umd.edu To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 I just bid $10.50 for a friend. She wants to know if it will bother him that she is married. She also wants to know if he can cook and vacuum. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:41:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from icicle.winternet.com (icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC72C14CE0 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com) Received: from tundra.winternet.com (nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19560; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:41:21 -0500 (CDT) SMTP "HELO" (ESMTP) greeting from tundra.winternet.com But _really_ from :: nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11] SMTP "MAIL From" = nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com (Nathan Ahlstrom) SMTP "RCPT To" = Received: (from nrahlstr@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19743; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:41:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19990702134120.P17905@winternet.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:41:20 -0500 From: Nathan Ahlstrom To: James Howard , Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) Mail-Followup-To: James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from James Howard on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 02:38:06PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James Howard wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > I just bid $10.50 for a friend. She wants to know if it will bother him > that she is married. She also wants to know if he can cook and vacuum. We know that he can serve canned food, change the litter box, etc. -- Nathan Ahlstrom FreeBSD: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ nrahlstr@winternet.com PGP Key ID: 0x67BC9D19 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:43: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail-out.visi.com (tele.visi.com [209.98.98.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8D515300 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:42:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mestery@visi.com) Received: from isis.visi.com (isis.visi.com [209.98.98.8]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF07A1F82C; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (mestery@localhost) by isis.visi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20982; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:42:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: isis.visi.com: mestery owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:42:34 -0500 (CDT) From: To: Nathan Ahlstrom Cc: James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990702134120.P17905@winternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: > James Howard wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > > > I just bid $10.50 for a friend. She wants to know if it will bother him > > that she is married. She also wants to know if he can cook and vacuum. > > We know that he can serve canned food, change the litter box, etc. > And from the looks of the picture, he's good with his hands. -- Kyle Mestery | StorageTek's Storage Networking Group mestery@visi.com | http://www.freebsd.org/ mestery@netwinder.org | http://www.netwinder.org/ Protect your right to privacy: www.freecrypto.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:50:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (erie.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3A614D10 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:50:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA20089; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:48:43 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: mestery@visi.com Cc: Nathan Ahlstrom , James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) Message-ID: <19990702114842.A19995@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com References: <19990702134120.P17905@winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from mestery@visi.com on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 01:42:34PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 01:42:34PM -0500, mestery@visi.com wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: > > > James Howard wrote: > > > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > > > > > I just bid $10.50 for a friend. She wants to know if it will bother him > > > that she is married. She also wants to know if he can cook and vacuum. > > > > We know that he can serve canned food, change the litter box, etc. > > > And from the looks of the picture, he's good with his hands. And a charming personality. Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.2 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:51:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from icicle.winternet.com (icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAFC14D10 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:51:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com) Received: from tundra.winternet.com (nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22454; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:51:32 -0500 (CDT) SMTP "HELO" (ESMTP) greeting from tundra.winternet.com But _really_ from :: nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11] SMTP "MAIL From" = nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com (Nathan Ahlstrom) SMTP "RCPT To" = Received: (from nrahlstr@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA19818; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:51:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <19990702135131.S17905@winternet.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:51:31 -0500 From: Nathan Ahlstrom To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com, mestery@visi.com Cc: James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) Mail-Followup-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com, mestery@visi.com, James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <19990702134120.P17905@winternet.com> <19990702114842.A19995@ontario.mooseriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990702114842.A19995@ontario.mooseriver.com>; from Josef Grosch on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 11:48:43AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wonder who is cashing in on the sale of Jordan? Hopefully the proceeds will go to the FreeBSD project (and the therapy Jordan will have to go through ;-) -- Nathan Ahlstrom FreeBSD: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ nrahlstr@winternet.com PGP Key ID: 0x67BC9D19 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:54:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from janus.syracuse.net (janus.syracuse.net [205.232.47.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C0114D10 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from green@unixhelp.org) Received: from localhost (green@localhost) by janus.syracuse.net (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04307; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:54:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian F. Feldman" X-Sender: green@janus.syracuse.net To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > Haha! Get him while the getting's good! > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > Brian Fundakowski Feldman _ __ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ green@FreeBSD.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \ FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! _ __ | _ \._ \ |) | http://www.FreeBSD.org/ _ |___/___/___/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 11:56:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (erie.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A800815731 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:56:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA20170; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 11:55:15 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Nathan Ahlstrom Cc: jgrosch@mooseriver.com, mestery@visi.com, James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) Message-ID: <19990702115515.A20145@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com References: <19990702134120.P17905@winternet.com> <19990702114842.A19995@ontario.mooseriver.com> <19990702135131.S17905@winternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990702135131.S17905@winternet.com>; from Nathan Ahlstrom on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 01:51:31PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 01:51:31PM -0500, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: > > I wonder who is cashing in on the sale of Jordan? Hopefully the proceeds > will go to the FreeBSD project (and the therapy Jordan will have to go > through ;-) Jordan does'nt need therapy, he owns cats. Which means either has accepted the Zen-like nature of cats and is at peace or he is beyond help ;-) Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.2 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 12: 6:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from umd5.umd.edu (umd5.umd.edu [128.8.10.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9836A15728 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:06:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from frost.umd.edu (frost.umd.edu [128.8.10.186]) by umd5.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29447; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (howardjp@localhost) by frost.umd.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21147; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:06:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: frost.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:06:46 -0400 (EDT) From: James Howard X-Sender: howardjp@frost.umd.edu To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Cc: Nathan Ahlstrom , mestery@visi.com, Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990702115515.A20145@ontario.mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 01:51:31PM -0500, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: > > I wonder who is cashing in on the sale of Jordan? Hopefully the proceeds > will go to the FreeBSD project (and the therapy Jordan will have to go > through ;-) I dunno, I just put down 800, I do hope this isn't being taken seriously. I just want to see him become a hot item on Ebay. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 12: 8:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-3.enteract.com (pop3-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 740AD15728 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:08:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: (qmail 54246 invoked from network); 2 Jul 1999 19:08:02 -0000 Received: from shell-2.enteract.com (dscheidt@207.229.143.41) by pop3-3.enteract.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 1999 19:08:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (dscheidt@localhost) by shell-2.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id OAA29301; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:07:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) X-Authentication-Warning: shell-2.enteract.com: dscheidt owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 14:07:59 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: jgrosch@mooseriver.com Cc: Nathan Ahlstrom , mestery@visi.com, James Howard , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990702115515.A20145@ontario.mooseriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Josef Grosch wrote: > On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 01:51:31PM -0500, Nathan Ahlstrom wrote: > > > > I wonder who is cashing in on the sale of Jordan? Hopefully the proceeds > > will go to the FreeBSD project (and the therapy Jordan will have to go > > through ;-) > > Jordan does'nt need therapy, he owns cats. Which means either has accepted > the Zen-like nature of cats and is at peace or he is beyond help ;-) He is getting bloddy expensive. $550 for a used Unix hacker? They used to be a dimebag a dozen! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 12:11:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9F115728 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from semuta.feral.com (semuta [192.67.166.70]) by feral.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22504; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:11:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 12:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's very cute :-) On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 13: 2:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9D814BF2 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:02:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu) Received: from pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (pegasus.cc.ucf.edu [132.170.240.30]) Ident [ewayte] by pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 92EEE3421 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Wayte To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The Complete FreeBSD, 3rd ed. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I noticed that the third edition of this tome is now available on www.freebsdmall.com. Besides to support Greg, why should I run out and buy the new edition? (I already have the second edition). You know, what's new and improved, what got chopped out of the old edition. At least they kept the 'classic' daemon on the cover.. Eric Wayte, DBA Univ. of Central Florida ewayte@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 13:14: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DC41506D for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:13:57 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "G. Adam Stanislav" , Subject: RE: Shut up and show them the code Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:13:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bec4c7$6a0597c0$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990702115124.0099b480@mail.bfm.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sounds to me like he's simply advocating intellectual dishonesty. The thrust of his article is that RMS's rhetoric sounds communistic to people, so even if you agree with him, you shouldn't talk about it. You should instead pretend that you don't agree. That way you'll bring more people into the Open Source movement. This same sort of dishonesty is what disgusted me in the Libertarian movement. Advocates of absolute property rights instead claimed that they believed that "force and fraud are wrong". A tactical decision, allgedly. But, of course, "force and fraud" are incomprehensible without property rights. I eat a banana, is that force? Yes if it's your banana. If you agree with RMS's principles, then you can find your own way of expressing it. But an attempt to hide it by not talking about principles is worse than nothing. DS > Just discovered Eric Raymond's new article where he sums up nicely what's > wrong with RMS rhetoric: > > http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/shut-up-and-show-them.html > > Adam > --- > Gracula v3.0 just released. Don't miss it. > Visit Count Gracula's Gallery: > http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/gallery/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 13:18:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from magnesium.net (toxic.magnesium.net [204.188.6.238]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDA321509A for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:18:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unfurl@magnesium.net) Received: (qmail 12996 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Jul 1999 20:18:12 -0000 Date: 2 Jul 1999 13:18:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:18:12 -0700 From: Bill Swingle To: Eric Wayte Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The Complete FreeBSD, 3rd ed. Message-ID: <19990702131812.E7184@dub.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Eric Wayte on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 04:02:05PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 04:02:05PM -0400, Eric Wayte wrote: > I noticed that the third edition of this tome is now available on > www.freebsdmall.com. > > Besides to support Greg, why should I run out and buy the new edition? (I > already have the second edition). You know, what's new and improved, what > got chopped out of the old edition. The 3rd edition has been updated for the 3.x series. The 2nd edition only covered up to 2.2.6 IIRC. > At least they kept the 'classic' daemon on the cover.. And his tail made it thought the printing proccess! -Bill -- -=| Bill Swingle - unfurl@dub.net - unfurl@freebsd.org - bill@cdrom.com -=| "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers" Pablo Picasso To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 16:56: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (dyn1-tnt1-20.chicago.il.ameritech.net [199.179.160.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB44514D31 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 16:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.stox.sa.enteract.com [127.0.0.1]) by m4.stox.sa.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01543; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:55:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from ken@stox.sa.enteract.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:55:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kenneth P. Stox" Reply-To: stox@enteract.com To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $10,000,000, sounds like a deal to me!! ;-) On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 17:20:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA3714D37 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:20:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id UAA24767; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:22:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199907030022.UAA24767@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Kenneth P. Stox" at "Jul 2, 99 06:55:46 pm" To: stox@enteract.com Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: billf@chc-chimes.com, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenneth P. Stox wrote, > > $10,000,000, sounds like a deal to me!! ;-) I guess he's a lynx user. > On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 17:57:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCB814CF9 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 17:57:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA14701; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:27:24 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA02339; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:27:22 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 10:27:22 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) Message-ID: <19990703102722.A2321@freebie.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Bill Fumerola on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 10:17:48AM -0400 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 2 July 1999 at 10:17:48 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - Interesting. How did you do it? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 18: 3: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avarice.riverstyx.net (hq-port-97.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3713915114 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from avarice (unknown@avarice [207.23.37.97]) by avarice.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28916; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:00:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:00:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Tani Hosokawa To: Greg Lehey Cc: Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990703102722.A2321@freebie.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 2 July 1999 at 10:17:48 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > Interesting. How did you do it? That type of information is reserved for the initiated. (and presumably anyone else who is signed up with eBay). --- tani hosokawa river styx internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 18: 7:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435D7151BA; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:07:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) id VAA24907; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:08:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) From: "Crist J. Clark" Message-Id: <199907030108.VAA24907@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs FreeBSD In-Reply-To: from Paul Anderson at "Jul 1, 99 02:47:58 am" To: paul@geeky1.ebtech.net (Paul Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ulairi@jps.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Reply-To: cjclark@home.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [This has completely diverged to -chat. Redirected there.] Paul Anderson wrote, > On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Ulairi wrote: > > > NT is about 7 years old. Give it time, > > perhaps it'll grow up a tad. > > > And it's already a huge kludge. NT suffers from two _major[0]_ faults: 1) It is meant to be the end-all, be-all for every customer. i.e. a single distribution of the OS is meant to serve every possible contigency for the user. This is the conceptual design which leads to rampant featurism[1]. 2) Marriage to a GUI. Once anyone has used a CLI for a while realizes how frightfully inefficient the GUI is for the experienced user. By the time any administrator has learned the ins-and-outs of NT, they have had more than enough time to graduate from the awkwardness of GUI to the CLI. That said, I still have trouble with this remark, > The problem is that Microsoft won't admit to itself that UNIX is, in > fact, the pinnacle of operating system interface design. [snip some mostly valid statements about UNIX vs. NT.] To me, saying UNIX is "The Operating System" is almost hypocritical. As my reason (1) claims, the primary flaw of NT is that it wants to be the OS for everyone all of the time[2]. The power of UNIX is flexibility, but surely, it is not the OS for every situation. Also, saying UNIX is the 'pinnacle' seems to say there is nothing better in the future. This I find hard to believe. Whether the next step(s) are evolutionary or revolutionary diversions from UNIX, I think there _is_ a next step (who knows, maybe a Microsoft broken up by the Feds finds the Next Best Thing). I feel about UNIX how I feel about democratic government, "UNIX is the absolute worst operating system there is. Except for all of the others." There must be something better down the road. Even if there is no factual basis for that belief, I must believe it to keep going in the computing field. [0] NT suffers from a broad range of problems, but most can be tracked down to these two major ideological flaws. [1] Which in turn is what leads to the contradiction that the supposedly easy to admin system becomes impossibly complex. A personal example is doing something simple like getting a "shared" directory's permissions right. There are at _least_ 3 overlapping permission systems that all must agree for things to work. The GUI does _not_ make it easier. [2] If anything in here is going to catch flames... Well, I'll just say it: The current primary UNIX offerings, FreeBSD, the other *BSDs, and the Linuxes are still not the best option for the luser who just wants to use Outlook, M$ Word, PowerPoint, etc. The Win9x OS's, or say an iMac, are still a good choice (today) for someone who wants to use a computer without really caring to understand how it works. The ol' analogy being someone who wants a nice cute car that will get them around town without having to build it or maintain it themselves. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 20:43:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E13151ED for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:43:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r47.bfm.org [208.18.213.143]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA02945 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990702224334.009d1100@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 22:43:34 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Jordan for sale at eBay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fascinating. That picture is Jordan's? Wow, I knew he was young, but not that young! Adam --- Gracula v3.0 just released. Don't miss it. Visit Count Gracula's Gallery: http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/gallery/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 20:55:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (unknown [203.96.92.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E651501E for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.13]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990703035826.WPCM112692.mta2-rme@wocker>; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:58:26 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:56:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Jordan for sale at eBay Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <3.0.6.32.19990702224334.009d1100@mail.bfm.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990703035826.WPCM112692.mta2-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2 Jul 99, at 22:43, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > Fascinating. That picture is Jordan's? Wow, I knew he was young, but not > that young! [insert sound of rummaging in pockets] Hmmm, I got $1.25 in change. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 21: 0:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08C71501E for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zen@buddhist.com) Received: from WhizKid (r47.bfm.org [208.18.213.143]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA04561; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990702230012.009bf100@mail.bfm.org> X-Sender: stanislav@mail.bfm.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:00:12 -0500 To: "David Schwartz" , From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: RE: Shut up and show them the code In-Reply-To: <000001bec4c7$6a0597c0$021d85d1@youwant.to> References: <3.0.6.32.19990702115124.0099b480@mail.bfm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 13:13 02-07-1999 -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > > Sounds to me like he's simply advocating intellectual dishonesty. > > The thrust of his article is that RMS's rhetoric sounds communistic to >people, so even if you agree with him, you shouldn't talk about it. You >should instead pretend that you don't agree. That way you'll bring more >people into the Open Source movement. I had to re-read the article, but I do not see that in there. I get the impression he agrees with RMS on some points but really disagrees on others. He also wrote it as a reaction to RMS's articles in which RMS clearly states there are essential differences between his ideas and goals and those of Open Software. I don't know, but I do not see the intellectual dishonesty in Eric Raymond's article. > > This same sort of dishonesty is what disgusted me in the Libertarian >movement. Well, as chairman of Democratic Party in my county, I prefer not to get into this. :-) Adam --- Gracula v3.0 just released. Don't miss it. Visit Count Gracula's Gallery: http://www.whizkidtech.net/gcl/gallery/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 2 23:59:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (unknown [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FE214D14 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 23:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06818; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 00:59:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <377DB4DC.BF198669@softweyr.com> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 00:59:40 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Fumerola wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 Wow! Jordan, you're rich! ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://softweyr.com/ wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 3:20:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75CF614F2D for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA48924; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:20:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des) To: "David Schwartz" Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" , Subject: Re: Shut up and show them the code References: <000001bec4c7$6a0597c0$021d85d1@youwant.to> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Jul 1999 12:20:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: "David Schwartz"'s message of "Fri, 2 Jul 1999 13:13:56 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "David Schwartz" writes: > [...] I eat a banana, is that force? Yes if it's your banana. ...or if you're the banana. DES (soooorryyyyy!) -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 3:47:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DBF14DFF for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asmodai@wxs.nl) Received: from daemon.ninth-circle.org ([195.121.55.8]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAB5B71; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:47:08 +0200 Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by daemon.ninth-circle.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA62351; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:15:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:15:40 +0200 From: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai To: Licia Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel-hacker's guide? Message-ID: <19990703121540.F61399@daemon.ninth-circle.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Licia on Fri, Jul 02, 1999 at 11:35:38AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Licia (licia@o-o.org) [990702 22:47]: > > A while back someone mentioned that work was being done on a sort of FreeBSD > Kernel Hacker's Guide. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the > status of this? I'm looking at working on a few odd things for my own use, > and some solid documentation on the FreeBSD kernel (how to add system calls, > the exact process needed to fork a process (not "use fork1" but the steps > fork1 itself must do to start a process, how they are scheduled, where the > code that currently performs these operations is located, etc, etc)) would be > a life saver, not to mention the years of studying the source code it would > save me ;) Well that's all plans for the Documentation Project I am working on (see .sig). I don't know of any other resources being planned for this. Submissions are, offcourse, welcome (thanks Narvi)... -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven asmodai(at)wxs.nl The BSD Programmer's Documentation Project Network/Security Specialist BSD: Technical excellence at it's best Cum angelis et pueris, fideles inveniamur. Quis est iste Rex gloriae...? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 8:30:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freedom.cybertouch.org (freedom.cybertouch.org [216.183.2.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F5114D92; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@freedom.cybertouch.org) Received: from localhost (lnb@localhost) by freedom.cybertouch.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA35492; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:30:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Lanny Baron To: cjclark@home.com Cc: Paul Anderson , ulairi@jps.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <199907030108.VAA24907@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Message-ID: City: Thorhill Province: Ontario Postal: L4J 6X4 Tel: 905-763-1900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I must disagree with you with respect to business's and the use of NT combined with FreeBSD or with Window 9.x or MAC's. The reason is as follows. If I have a small office or even an office with 50+ workstations and happen to be in the financial industry, I would want my staff to do their work without having to spend countless hours trying to teach them FreeBSD. If they are already comfortable with MS OFFICE or whatever MAC uses ( I know nothing of MAC's) then why the need for the "pain". Face it, most people who work for organizations like banks or law firms etc; will use windows based programs for their day to day work. From the security standpoint, NT does offer ways in which a logon will only let you see what ever the sys admin has allowed for a particular user. With Win 9.x the same thing is basically do-able. However you need to know the ins and outs of the win 9.x OS and well. The other (and really good approach) way is to implement Samba. With Samba running, all machines can be forced to use the same Profiles for desktops and shares can easily be set up, allowing the System Admin to control who sees what, where and when. This also gives a boost for those that can "sell" their services to a firm and thereby become the sysadmin. As we all know, you need not send a cheque to anyone for the amount of users accessing the file server. Windows, as I have written an article about in with respect to Samba, is great. What I like best is that it really shows (and proves beyond a shadow of doubt) that FreeBSD is a fantastic OS. Going back to security for a sec. We all know how well FreeBSD works with security. There will be no contention here for dispute. The way I see it, is to get business IT department heads to implement FreeBSD. In the local papers here (Toronto, Canada) recently, there have been quite a few articles by journalists regarding linux and how "good" it is. Some of these journalists have been criticizing the Gov't here for needlessly spending money on Microsoft products when they could implement linux for print and file sharing services. In addition to FreeBSD being rock solid, it has the right to claim that it is a one distribution OS. Unlike linux which has several. Well, enough said on that point. Have a great day :-) Lanny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 17: 1: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bootes.ebtech.net (bootes.ebtech.net [142.250.0.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A87314CC8; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 17:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul@geeky1.ebtech.net) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bootes.ebtech.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with UUCP id TAA19695; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:03:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (paul@localhost) by geeky1.ebtech.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA03637; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:05:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Anderson To: Lanny Baron Cc: cjclark@home.com, ulairi@jps.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs FreeBSD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Lanny Baron wrote: > > In addition to FreeBSD being rock solid, it has the right to claim that it > is a one distribution OS. Unlike linux which has several. > Multiple distributions is a good thing, IMHO. You can pick and choose which one you want, and how you want the system setup. You can't do that with FreeBSD. One thing that must be remembered about Windows, is that it's NOT a multi-user OS. Any support of multiple users is only very vague, and practically unenforceable. It's a kludge that microsoft added on when they started to realize that Windows wasn't just going to be a toy OS to run on the desktop. Unfortunately, it still is a toy, just like Microsoft's favourite language, Visual Basic. WinNT is only suitable for individual desktop machines that do not have multiple users and are in non-critical situations. At Cisco, the 10% or so of employees using Windows account for over 90% of the help desk calls. Not only is it a buggy OS, it encourages users to be dependant on tech support. Now, which is more expensive - a half-hour run through of Linux put together by one employee at $40/hr, or 15 people running a help desk at $30/hr for the rest of the company's life. TTYL! --- Paul Anderson - Self-employed Megalomaniac paul@geeky1.ebtech.net Member of the Sarnia Linux User's Group http://www.sar-net.com/slug http://zephyr.sellad.on.ca/~paul Activating user acumen teleperception subsystem, please stand by... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 19:18:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DC214F69 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:18:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA047109526; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:05:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:05:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: Greg Lehey Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: eBay Listing confirmation - Item 125965474: Jordan K. Hubbard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990703102722.A2321@freebie.lemis.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Friday, 2 July 1999 at 10:17:48 -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=125965474 > > > > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > Interesting. How did you do it? If you are rerfering to the picture, then thank the USENIX web-cam and an IRC session. - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 19:20:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hp9000.chc-chimes.com (hp9000.chc-chimes.com [206.67.97.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8CB14F69; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:20:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: from localhost by hp9000.chc-chimes.com with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA048799667; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:07:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fumerola To: chat@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 Pacific Daylight Time From: ended@ebay.com To: billf@hp9000.chc-chimes.com Subject: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing Dear Bill Fumerola (billf@chc-chimes.com), The following auction(s): 125965474 Jordan K. Hubbard has been ended early. The content of your auction has been deemed inappropriate for inclusion in the eBay forum. In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any questions about listing procedures. For more information on infringing or illegal items or for information on other eBay listing violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: http://pages.ebay.com/aw/help/topics-png-items.html Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Respectfully , Tyler (ended@ebay.com) eBay Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 19:53:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.webmaster.com (mail.webmaster.com [209.133.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8DB14ED1; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from davids@webmaster.com) Received: from whenever ([209.133.29.2]) by shell.webmaster.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id com; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:53:31 -0700 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Bill Fumerola" , , Subject: RE: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:53:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000101bec5c8$667ea720$021d85d1@youwant.to> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Next time, list him under 'Miscellaneous/Metaphysical'. They seem to let *anything* be listed there! I would argue for 'Antiques/Primitives' or 'Collectibles/Limited Editions', but that's another post. DS David Schwartz http://www.gpsclock.com/view.shtml > The following auction(s): > > 125965474 Jordan K. Hubbard > > has been ended early. The content of your auction has been > deemed inappropriate for > inclusion in the eBay forum. > > In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct > categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any > inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any > auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor > investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any > questions about listing procedures. > For more information on infringing or illegal items or for > information on other eBay listing > violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 21:28:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (unknown [203.96.92.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C582D14C59 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:28:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from junkmale@pop3.xtra.co.nz) Received: from wocker ([210.55.152.47]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v04.00.02.07 201-227-108) with SMTP id <19990704043138.NBKC282564.mta1-rme@wocker>; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:31:38 +1200 From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary To: Bill Fumerola Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:28:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) Reply-To: junkmale@xtra.co.nz Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990704043138.NBKC282564.mta1-rme@wocker> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Jul 99, at 18:07, Bill Fumerola wrote: > Dear Bill Fumerola (billf@chc-chimes.com), > > The following auction(s): > > > 125965474 Jordan K. Hubbard > > > > has been ended early. The content of your auction has been deemed > inappropriate for inclusion in the eBay forum. Oh. So eBay have heard about the love-ewes? -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/freebsd/ NZ FreeBSD User Group - http://www.nzfug.nz.freebsd.org/ The Racing System - http://www.racingsystem.com/racingsystem.htm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 21:28:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0064B14C59; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 21:28:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@airnet.net) Received: from airnet.net (tc14-216-180-35-192.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.35.192]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA05366; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:28:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <377EE2ED.B99A0D11@airnet.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:28:29 -0500 From: Kris Kirby Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.2-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Schwartz Cc: Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) References: <000101bec5c8$667ea720$021d85d1@youwant.to> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Schwartz wrote: > > Next time, list him under 'Miscellaneous/Metaphysical'. They seem to let > *anything* be listed there! I would argue for 'Antiques/Primitives' or > 'Collectibles/Limited Editions', but that's another post. > > DS > > David Schwartz > http://www.gpsclock.com/view.shtml > > > The following auction(s): > > > > 125965474 Jordan K. Hubbard > > > > has been ended early. The content of your auction has been > > deemed inappropriate for > > inclusion in the eBay forum. > > > > In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct > > categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any > > inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any > > auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor > > investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any > > questions about listing procedures. > > For more information on infringing or illegal items or for > > information on other eBay listing > > violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message And I never got to see it/him listed. -- Kris Kirby ------------------------------------------- TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 22: 6: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B1314C30; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt4-208-166-127-207.dialup.HiWAAY.net [208.166.127.207]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA32399; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 00:05:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29384; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:53:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199907040453.XAA29384@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Lanny Baron Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs FreeBSD In-reply-to: Message from Lanny Baron of "Sat, 03 Jul 1999 11:30:26 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:25 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Lanny Baron writes: > If they are already comfortable with MS OFFICE or whatever MAC uses ( I > know nothing of MAC's) then why the need for the "pain". Face it, most > people who work for organizations like banks or law firms etc; will use > windows based programs for their day to day work. I can't find the reference, but recently saw some statistics claiming DOS was still the leader in law offices. MacOS was a close 2nd. Altho NT was gaining ground. This past week I purchased a demo 21" monitor from MaxVision, a high end PC-based value added CAD shop. The nice lady who took my money bantered the president of MaxVision for selling me this 21" monitor when she only had a 15" on her desk. OTOH the application she was running to print my invoice was in 80x25 text mode. Likely DOS, maybe SCO. Little good a 21" monitor would do her. I almost fell out of my chair laughing the first time I saw the BIOS messages and FreeBSD's kernel init messages in 80x25 mode on a 21" monitor. My point is a commercial environment is often a production shop. The computer on desktops has a specific purpose, usually not including web surfing or word processing. The application is tailored to that environment. "Windows skills" have little to do with the ability to get the job done. I doubt I would have been able to coax an invoice out of the above application without quite a number of iterations of trial and error. In an engineering shop there will also be a core application or suite of applications. The OS matters less than the application. For the past 10 years I have used a Macintosh for schematic and PCB design. The applications I have been using have been getting long in the tooth and its time to consider replacing them. It appears the only productive choices I have are NT based. Those running on HP or Sun workstations are beyond my price range. I'd sure like to find something I could run under FreeBSD as I'm not a "production" computer user, I use my computers as general purpose multi-tools. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 23: 6: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9A214C59; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA19613; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:35:59 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id PAA10520; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:35:58 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:35:57 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Kris Kirby Cc: David Schwartz , Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) Message-ID: <19990704153557.Y709@freebie.lemis.com> References: <000101bec5c8$667ea720$021d85d1@youwant.to> <377EE2ED.B99A0D11@airnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <377EE2ED.B99A0D11@airnet.net>; from Kris Kirby on Sat, Jul 03, 1999 at 11:28:29PM -0500 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 3 July 1999 at 23:28:29 -0500, Kris Kirby wrote: > David Schwartz wrote: >> >> Next time, list him under 'Miscellaneous/Metaphysical'. They seem to let >> *anything* be listed there! I would argue for 'Antiques/Primitives' or >> 'Collectibles/Limited Editions', but that's another post. >> >> DS >> >> David Schwartz >> http://www.gpsclock.com/view.shtml >> >>> The following auction(s): >>> >>> 125965474 Jordan K. Hubbard >>> >>> has been ended early. The content of your auction has been >>> deemed inappropriate for >>> inclusion in the eBay forum. >>> >>> In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct >>> categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any >>> inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any >>> auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor >>> investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any >>> questions about listing procedures. >>> For more information on infringing or illegal items or for >>> information on other eBay listing >>> violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: > > And I never got to see it/him listed. Did anybody save the page? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 23:43:44 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B5F14CB0; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA07847; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:43:34 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:43:34 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: > - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - > - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 Pacific Daylight Time > From: ended@ebay.com > To: billf@hp9000.chc-chimes.com > Subject: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing > > Dear Bill Fumerola (billf@chc-chimes.com), > > The following auction(s): > > > 125965474 Jordan K. Hubbard > > > > has been ended early. The content of your auction has been deemed inappropriate for > inclusion in the eBay forum. > > In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct > categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any > inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any > auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor > investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any > questions about listing procedures. > For more information on infringing or illegal items or for information on other eBay listing > violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: > > http://pages.ebay.com/aw/help/topics-png-items.html > So is he illegal or infringing? > Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. > > Respectfully , > > Tyler (ended@ebay.com) > eBay Inc. > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 23:50:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from avarice.riverstyx.net (hq-port-97.harbour-dhcp-pool.infinetgroup.com [207.23.37.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC99A14CC7; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unknown@riverstyx.net) Received: from avarice (unknown@avarice [207.23.37.97]) by avarice.riverstyx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10187; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:48:08 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tani Hosokawa To: Narvi Cc: Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Narvi wrote: > > In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct > > categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any > > inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any > > auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor > > investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any > > questions about listing procedures. > > For more information on infringing or illegal items or for information on other eBay listing > > violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: > > > > http://pages.ebay.com/aw/help/topics-png-items.html > > > > So is he illegal or infringing? I don't see why. There were a set of programmers up for auction on eBay pretty recently, and they got a bunch of publicity. Of course, they put themselves up for auction; slave trading is probably not allowed :) --- tani hosokawa river styx internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 3 23:59:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A823C14CC7; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 23:59:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (haldjas.folklore.ee [172.17.2.1] (may be forged)) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.8.8/8.8.4) with SMTP id JAA07991; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:59:31 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:59:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Narvi To: Tani Hosokawa Cc: Bill Fumerola , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NOTICE: eBay Auction(s) Ended - Item Deemed Inappropriate for eBay Listing (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, Tani Hosokawa wrote: > On Sun, 4 Jul 1999, Narvi wrote: > > > > In an ongoing effort to conserve system resources and maintain the correct > > > categorization of all items listed for auction, we will end any > > > inappropriately listed auction or move, to an appropriate category, any > > > auction listed in an inappropriate category, pending Safe Harbor > > > investigation. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any > > > questions about listing procedures. > > > For more information on infringing or illegal items or for information on other eBay listing > > > violations, we urge you to visit the following eBay web page: > > > > > > http://pages.ebay.com/aw/help/topics-png-items.html > > > > > > > So is he illegal or infringing? > > I don't see why. There were a set of programmers up for auction on eBay That's why I asked. > pretty recently, and they got a bunch of publicity. Of course, they put > themselves up for auction; slave trading is probably not allowed :) > Note that nobody has ever questioned the various kinds of sport clubs buying/selling "athletes" to/from each other... > --- > tani hosokawa > river styx internet > Sander There is no love, no good, no happiness and no future - all these are just illusions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message