From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 26 13:46:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3143C37B401 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B4E43FAF for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from emerger.yogotech.com (emerger.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3p2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10057; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:46:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by emerger.yogotech.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) id h4QKkEdr045807; Mon, 26 May 2003 14:46:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16082.32022.793458.209912@emerger.yogotech.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 14:46:14 -0600 To: ticso@cicely.de In-Reply-To: <20030526165016.GB66136@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <20030526153641.GC55219@cicely12.cicely.de> <16082.16392.155803.403138@emerger.yogotech.com> <20030526165016.GB66136@cicely12.cicely.de> X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid cc: Nate Williams cc: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Subject: Re: jdk on alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Nate Williams List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:46:18 -0000 > > > What are the outstanding issues? > > > > > > I've read on http://kjkoster.org/java/content/newarch.jsp that > > > invokeNative_alpha.s needs to be done. > > > Is this still true? > > > > Yes. > > OK - that needs to be done. > > > > What is the best jdk version to start with? > > > > The only one available, which is the one released by DEC (prior to being > > Compaq, which happened prior to HPC) for Linux. > > > > > I've also read on that page that we need a working jdk to bootstrap > > > with an example on how to do this with help from another machine. > > > > No need, since the Linux native one works. > > Is it recent enough to build jdk14? Ahh, nope. > Otherwise I would prefer to go the i386 cross build way. > It's problematic in respect to ports, but from what I've heard > installaing the DEC binary is also manual work. Last I remember it was pretty easy. However, it's an older JDK, so yes, there will be issue. > > > Are there any ideas on how to handle this from ports? > > > E.g. can we distribute a native bootstrap jdk binary like it's done > > > for modula? > > > > No. However, in my opinion using the JVM, it's really a non-issue, > > Bad news, but I'd already expected this. > > > unless you're doing it for research purposes. My 486/66 box with 16MB > > of memory blows the doors off my 500Mhz Alpha with 256MB of memory. > > Java on the alpha is slow, piggy, and basically useless. > > Well - I can't argue on that, but having at least a runable java is > required today in many cases - even in simple one such as web browsing. Again, it's *SO SLOW* as to be complete unusable. Again, my 486/66 blows the doors off of the Alpha. Rendering a page on an Alpha using Java is simply way too slow and resource hungry. Nate