From owner-freebsd-bugs Wed Nov 26 15:20:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA28803 for bugs-outgoing; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:20:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-bugs) Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28783 for ; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:20:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id AAA01264 for bugs@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:20:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA00984; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:13:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <19971127001311.18091@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 00:13:11 +0100 From: J Wunsch To: bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "make release" will fail because SGML tolls has moved to ports Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <199711261847.UAA13048@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> <347C8320.C7885DE4@dal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <347C8320.C7885DE4@dal.net>; from Studded on Wed, Nov 26, 1997 at 12:14:24PM -0800 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Studded wrote: > I have noticed that you get a lot more interest on the various > FreeBSD lists if you provide code, or at least a willingness to > help. However, there are plenty of people like me who are capable > of identifying problems, but not always capable of fixing them. Well, this particular problem is probably more of a ``it takes a d*mn fool to finally develop a strategy how to solve it'' one than something where you need much coding skills for. If someone comes up with a good strategy how this could be handled, but admits that he's missing the skills regarding how to edit a Makefile, so what, Jordan, or me, or Poul-Henning, could certainly do the dirty work of editing /usr/src/release/Makefile. Yet, it takes more than just an hour, and you simply need to understand what's going on, and when, and why, in order to realize that it's not as simple as stating the fact (that is very well known). (You probably also need to know what's required to rebuild the FAQ and handbook, and it will simplify your task if you've ever typed `make release' in that directory before. But that's not quite a prerequisite that you've done _this_.) > Working with several volunteer projects myself, I can understand why > the core team would be frustrated by people that only present problems > without solutions, since the implication is that someone ought to fix > them, and someone usually means them. :) Well, i wasn't even frustrated about it, it's merely this: ``Oh yeah, of course, you're telling us that Jesus has created the world and stopped on the sixth day, but waddayatellus, we do really know this already, oh, he should have gone further until the seventh day?, really?'' effect. It wasn't Jesus? Sowhaddayatellme, i'm not religious about it. :-)) > Doug (and yes, I'm aware of the irony in this letter :) Hmm, that's the first time you've told us your name. :) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-)