From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 26 14:32:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B4310656F8 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:32:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E746E8FC21 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanefbsd@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so31064fgb.35 for ; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fbYW54ebdkdJSAHAwGdnRVHlEBFW+VWxYfXI5hb6udg=; b=ueiBbcPAhaQ/NlZO1wO5IwKud6sWZbYEgfTaG53vXPtHvafUba0/nt0T4wfXa/avsm /NQ2hPu9ezhuOIUilATFBkcxZ57JN0+C8IOchpGNYTkmEC//KvbCze0d+fFgwmBrV4D9 +6KoJLuVmSZk3d1Sos4sjDjqiM4BsU+CXjD6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FJNbcIYMhkaKnLZtIqKgzy2ZANjWDc8+vaHE85HUseO4F3o9rETPw7N13PW13wlJzQ ClOlofisB/nWO4CEcymm+0yVeIz4PQuqhbdZYo+ZA9XYByE9IXFDIMf5s0bgSEsPYvII nPx6Eqr48axp7QeYk/cWFUpQIyeSUzsisxuDI= Received: by 10.86.49.3 with SMTP id w3mr235880fgw.14.1214490733682; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.51.1 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0806260732w588ed266ve519449f132f90b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:32:13 -0700 From: "Garrett Cooper" To: "Mike Meyer" In-Reply-To: <20080625151706.1de6e32d@mbook.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080619135114.Y1807@kozubik.com> <1214322926.1505.65.camel@scotth.emsphone.com> <7d6fde3d0806241040x6ed9dea6y79d2c2d62ff1b30f@mail.gmail.com> <200806250006.06789.thierry@herbelot.com> <47d0403c0806251000q66162234nac5c0b1f7bf9b64c@mail.gmail.com> <20080625151706.1de6e32d@mbook.local> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Ben Kaduk , thierry@herbelot.com Subject: Re: 3D for AMD64 (was Re: Lack of Flash support is no longer acceptable. Bounty established...) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:32:15 -0000 On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Mike Meyer wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:00:09 -0400 "Ben Kaduk" wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Thierry Herbelot wrote: >> > >> > is there any hope for having the newly open-sourced radeon/radeon-hd AMD >> > drivers (and the related 3D acceleration) to work under FreeBSD-AMD64 ? >> > >> >> Well, I'm using radeonhd right now on a >> [kaduk@periphrasis /usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public]$ uname -a >> FreeBSD periphrasis.mit.edu 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed May >> 14 00:27:26 EDT 2008 >> root@periphrasis.mit.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PERIPHRASIS amd64 > > I'm not sure those are the drivers Theierry wants. The proprietary > driver was called fglrx, not "radeon" or "radeonhd". Those two drivers > have been in the X open source trees for quite a while now. I first > started using the radeon driver on amd64 in late 2006. The versions I > have checked out for FreeBSD are documented as > > Radeonhd has no 2d or 3d acceleration. > Radeon has both, but only works for older cards. > > That is also on 7-stable, but I haven't updated the sources in a > while. fglrx is the only way that anyone's going to get true 3D OpenGL support, and the last time I checked that wasn't available except for ancient cards on FreeBSD. AMD was supposed to be helping ATI, but it appears that after the merger all that's happened is a website change and ATI's drivers have gotten worse... last time I tried x64 support with Linux I was sadly shocked by the poor programming that went into the driver and the difficulty I had trying to get it to work with X11. Then again things may have changed since that time too... My 2 cents, -Garrett