From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 3 18:37:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3902916A41A; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241C013C459; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:37:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:65077) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1IzGAU-000J9U-Fj; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 10:37:22 -0800 Message-Id: <05565EA0-357D-42AC-BEA1-A9F7A9796B40@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: Aryeh M. Friedman In-Reply-To: <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:37:21 -0800 References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> <47543109.3050303@gmail.com> <7957A7E2-3ADA-4BD5-934C-F10A1F08F72F@FreeBSD.org> <47544020.5090605@gmail.com> <47544727.9030209@gmail.com> <34531C67-A2F9-48DB-8161-34593AC0C481@FreeBSD.org> <475449B9.1010002@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:37:23 -0000 On Dec 03, 2007, at 10:23 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Only 2 are self-reported maintainers and at least 5 admit to not being > maintainers... I think your main issue is you are 100% in "there is > nothing wrong" camp and for what ever reason want to convience > everyone else any effort to say/do differently is misguided. Please cite where I stated that, or post a retraction. I'll thank you for not putting words into my mouth. You seem unable to grasp even basic statistical fundamentals of what a survey entails, and have repeatedly worked on the basis that somehow anyone who even points out the simplest of flaws is part of the "them" camp. This is not "us vs them". You've decided to take on, as countless others before you have done, an attempt at changing status quo without providing even the basics, let alone prototypes, as to how it *might* be done. Quite frankly, this appears to be nothing more than random thoughts, with not even an iota of concrete information to back it up. Naturally, I can't speak for the FreeBSD community at large, but from this keyboards perspective, you're doing nothing other than wasting time. Prove me wrong. Consider it a challenge. But for now, I certainly see nothing that even merits further responses. -aDe