Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:10:36 +0100 From: Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be> To: Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, Greywolf <greywolf@starwolf.com> Cc: Jeremy Lea <reg@FreeBSD.ORG>, Kris Kirby <kris@catonic.net>, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, netbsd-advocacy@NetBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did NetBSD and FreeBSD diverge? Message-ID: <v0422080db68e224e9576@[172.17.1.121]> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010119092858.048f5d40@localhost> References: <Pine.NEB.4.21.0101182302040.583-100000@starwolf.com> <Pine.NEB.4.21.0101182302040.583-100000@starwolf.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010119092858.048f5d40@localhost>
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At 9:32 AM -0700 2001/1/19, Brett Glass wrote: > Wrong. What has happened is that certain people in the group, obsessed with > power and ego, see certain people with innovative or novel ideas as a threat. > They therefore attempt to brand them as whackos, and the more conformist > members of the group, and/or those who think they might have >something to gain > by doing so, go along and join the "pile-on." Right, everyone who opposes or disagrees with Brett is inherently evil. I think we've heard this somewhere before. I won't make any claim as to whether or not I am "obsessed with power and ego", because I obviously would not be qualified to answer that question in the negative. However, I think I can safely say that I am not one of "the more conformist members of the group". I am certainly not "piling on". My personal reason for opposing you most of the time is that I find you an excessively annoying and tedious person to deal with, and you never seem willing to be able to actually listen and hear what other people have to say on the subject -- instead, you try to drown them out by droning on. Sadly, more often than not, this has exactly the desired effect, and drives a lot of people away from the FreeBSD project. Fortunately, there are a few more determined types that stick around anyway, although most of them seem to do so by killfile-ing everything you say and everything on any thread in which you have ever had anything to say. I recognize that you do occasionally have something useful to say, or something novel to add to the discussion. However, I find that this doesn't come anywhere close to making up for the sort of thing we typically hear from you -- your paranoid delusional ramblings, your extremely vocal opposition and personal attacks towards anyone who disagrees with you, and your cries of "poor pitiful me". And with that, I think I'm about ready to killfile you, too. I believe that I am a rather tolerant person, and I've only ever killfiled two other people in my whole life with Unix (dating back to 1984), but there's only so much from you that even I am willing to put up with. The worst of it is, in this particular case I think you have a valid point about there being a certain atmosphere of hazing with regards to the FreeBSD project -- maybe not from the committers themselves, but certainly by other people who are on the mailing lists and presumably have been on the mailing lists for some time. Sadly, this point has now gotten lost in the noise that you have generated about yourself. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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