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Date:      Wed, 8 Aug 2018 12:40:16 -0500
From:      Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Alternative to x11/gnome3 ?
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On 08/08/18 12:15, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 23:37:22 +0700
>> Victor Sudakov <vas@mpeks.tomsk.su> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, this is not the way it works on Linux. Linux users don't run
>>>>> startx from a text session, nor do they switch between GUI sessions
>>>>> with Ctrl-Alt-Fn.  They click "Switch user" and the graphical login
>>>>> screen appears where you can get authenticated.
>>>>
>>>> 	You can use startx and Ctrl-Alt-Fn in Linux to do this, at least
>>>> you could last time I used Linux and X.
>>>
>>> You can but nobody does because it's inconvenient and contraintuitive
>>> for the majority of users.
>>
>> 	I suspect I'm in a minority on FreeBSD too, but I find it handier.
> 
> My wife always gets confused whether her X session is already running
> (and she should look for it by pressing Ctrl-Alt-F9, Ctrl-Alt-F10
> until she eventually finds it) or she has to start a new one.
> 
> Several times she has run startx from a text session, then got
> confused where her vt was and tried to run another startx... As I said,
> contraintuitive.

Agree. The user needs to have some UNIX proficiency to go through 
routine starting X from console. Long ago people just starting to use 
UNIX (who, say, know only about 5 shell command), still were OK starting 
X from console, and then just keeping use X. These days we usually give 
them machine with display manager running ("graphic login"). So, Steve 
may be right: we are just a minority (sysadmins mostly) who more likely 
will use startx than running display manager process.

Valeri

> 

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