From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 20 12:47:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A467837C6EF; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-2-55.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.133.55]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00466; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA01872; Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 15:34:29 -0500 From: Randall Hopper To: Cameron Grant Cc: Amancio Hasty , Conrad Sabatier , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Voxware is toast. Get used to it. (Re: Suggestions for improving newpcm performance?) Message-ID: <20000320153429.A1373@ipass.net> References: <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <000701bf91d5$4aebeb60$0304020a@NENYA> <001a01bf91c1$7f62a4b0$0304020a@NENYA> <200003191838.KAA40955@rah.star-gate.com> <20000319220453.A65973@ipass.net> <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <005d01bf9221$4660ac60$0304020a@NENYA>; from gandalf@vilnya.demon.co.uk on Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:03:39AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Cameron Grant: |Randall Hopper: |> - Have we identified exactly what functionality is missing in the new |> sound driver but supported by Voxware? | |to my knowledge, midi is the only functionality missing. also, multiple |opens of /dev/dsp are not yet implemented. both will be soon. From what I hear, it sounds like we need some more testing time too. |> - Have we got volunteers with time on their hands signed up to provide |> each piece of this functionality with estimated completion dates? |> |> IMO, the cut-over to PCM should be tied to the last of these completion |> dates, revised forward or backward as actual completion dates slip. |> |> Why would we transition any other way? | |because various functionality voxware uses is now optional What does this mean? |and will be gone in the coming weeks. the kernel does not revolve around |sound, Exactly. The kernel revolves around applications. And applications revolve around users and their needs. |and voxware is an acceptable loss. once the isa shims are gone, voxware |will not compile without being newbusified which is a task of great |magnitude. at this time, the point is moot. Is it? You own a 400 room apartment building. You've built a brand-spankin new 200 room apartment building with a pool. Cool. Now you say to the residents, "Everybody over to the new building with the pool. We're gonna blow the other one up!" Do you really think the residents in the other 200 rooms are going to sleep on the the street while you expand? There are other apartments.... |unless someone comes forward with a newbusified voxware, it will be |removed soon. i, and others, will want to see code, not promises. Sorry Fred. That line don't fly with me. I don't have to stand ready with coding time to fix anything you want to break or rip out. Randall To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message