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Gerd Knops <gerti@bitart.com> types:
> Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Chris Fedde <chris@fedde.littleton.co.us> types:
> > > On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:27:38 -0600 (CST)  Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > | Anyone out there got a FreeBSD daemon image suitable for use as
> > > an | icon (i.e. - 16x16)?
> > > |
> > > | 	Thanx,
> > > | 	<mike
> > > There is a small image if chuck in the fbsd-icons port.
> > It's not quite small enough (25x28). I've actually got an icon; now
> > the problem is turning it into a .ico file on FreeBSD. There don't
> > seem to be any tools for that.
> /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm amongst others. It's huge though.

Argh. I've already installed netpbm, but stopped checking it when I
saw the pbmtoicon tool.  I hate it when that happens.

I'm sending your answer to -questions so that others might benefit
from your wisdom!

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 told me to use RedHat. It was the easiest. I went to 
   > RedHat and they told me everything I already knew. Here's 
   > something I don't know. How do you get a fucking program to load 
   > at startup on freebsd? Where on your fucking website do you have 
   > that. I want to set up a Unix POP3 server. The instructions tell 
   > me how to compile. Then they tell me to move the fucking file to 
   > a directory in my path. I can do that. Now what, the fucking end. 
   > They say I'm done. I can't get any mail. They don't tell me how 
   > to configure it. They fucking make me wonder what the fuck they 
   > have up there ass to make me psychic. How about putting that on 
   > your website. 
   > > 
   > > The only thing I've found on your website is how great freebsd 
   > is and you can do it but it depends on your version. I know my 
   > version... how do I fucking do it? 

You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by the Windows congolomorate.

Learn about something before you install it, bro. 

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i sonam singh installed the freebsd 4.0 on the compaq pIII . i want to install the postgresql7.0 & jdk2.0.
can you  tell me how to install these software. i want to to use java as front end & postgresql as backend
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This is a windows problem I am thinking.  If the FBSD box can see the 
windows box, then the fact that the windows box can't see the router seems 
to me that the problem lies in the win box.  That is just a quick thought 
at a quick glance at your problem.  Someone else here might be able to give 
you some helpful info.

At 01:06 AM 11/26/2000 -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
>I am running FBSD3.4R as a gateway/router with a Win98 box connected on
>a local LAN. The gateway machine can see the internet and the Win98 box,
>but the Win98 box cannot ping the gateway nor see beyond it.
>
>Below is some specific setup info:
>
>The Kernel file contains:
>
># Added by JDF
>options         IPFIREWALL              #firewall
>options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE      #log dropped packets
>options         "IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100"  #limit verbosity
>#options                IPFILTER_LOG            # turn on logging
>options         IPDIVERT                #divert ip's
>options         "ICMP_BANDLIM"
>
>
>The network layout:
>
>ISP(dns1=24.5.116.15,dns2=24.5.116.17)
>               |
>               |
>           cable-modem
>               |
>               |
>         (DHCP) (eeyore1)
>          router/gateway
>       192.168.1.1 (eeyore)
>               |
>               X (cross-over cable)
>               |
>           192.168.1.2
>            Win98Box
>
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 16 -> cat /etc/hosts
>127.0.0.1               localhost localhost.home.com
>24.9.218.175            eeyore1 CI590846-B lxintn1.ky.home.com
>24.5.116.15             dns1
>24.5.116.17             dns2
>192.168.1.1             eeyore
>192.168.1.2             rabbit
>(looks the same on windows)
>
>
>root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 5 -> sh /etc/rc.firewall
>Flushed all rules.
>00000 divert 8668 ip from any to any via vx0
>00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
>00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
>65000 allow ip from any to any
>(temporarily turned off)
>
>root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 15 -> netstat -r
>Routing tables
>
>Internet:
>Destination        Gateway            Flags     Refs     Use     Netif
>Expire
>default            24.9.218.1         UGSc       12        0      vx0
>24.9.218/24        link#1             UC          0        0      vx0
>24.9.218.1         0:50:f:0:3c:70     UHLW       13        0      vx0
>791
>localhost          localhost          UH          0        8      lo0
>192.168.1          link#2             UC          0        0      al0
>rabbit             0:a0:cc:78:23:95   UHLW        0        9      al0
>586
>
>root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 16 -> cat /etc/resolv.conf
>search lxintn1.ky.home.com
>nameserver 24.5.116.17
>nameserver 24.5.116.15
>
>
>root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ifconfig -a
>vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>         inet 24.9.218.175 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.9.218.255
>         ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
>al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>         inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
>         ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>         media: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)
>         supported media: autoselect 100baseTX <full-duplex> 100baseTX
><half-duplex> 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP
><half-duplex>
>lp0: flags=8810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>tun0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>sl0: flags=c010<POINTOPOINT,LINK2,MULTICAST> mtu 552
>ppp0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
>         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
>
>root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 18 -> cat /etc/rc.conf
># This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf
># please make all changes to this file.
>
># -- sysinstall generated deltas -- #
>ifconfig_ppp0="inet   netmask 255.255.255.0"
>network_interfaces="lo0 vx0 al0"
>ifconfig_lo0="inet  127.0.0.1"
>ifconfig_vx0="inet   netmask 255.255.255.0"
>ifconfig_al0="inet   192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0"
>ifconfig_vx0="DHCP"
>gateway_enable="YES"
>hostname="eeyore1"
>firewall_enable="YES"           # Set YES to enable firewall functionality
>#firewall_type="client"         # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall)
>#firewall_type="simple"         # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall)
>firewall_type="open"            # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall)
>firewall_quiet="NO"             # Set to YES to supress rule display
>natd_enable="YES"               # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES)
>natd_interface="vx0"            # Public interface or IPaddress to use
>natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf"  # Additional flags for natd
>
>The Win98 Network settings are:
>
>TCP/IP -> NETGEAR FA311 FastEthernet PCI Adapter
>  - Properties
>  - IP:192.168.1.2
>  - Subnet: 255.255.255.0
>  - WINS: disabled
>  - Gateway: 192.168.1.1
>  - DNS:
>    - Host: rabbit
>    - Domain: (I don't know what to put here. I have tried
>               leaving it blank and 192.168.1.1)
>    - DNS: 24.5.116.15
>    - DNS: 24.5.116.17
>  - Binding: Microsoft Family Logon (I unchecked Client for Microsoft
>Networks)
>
>------Testing the network -------
>
> >From FreeBSD all seems to work.
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 12 -> ping localhost
>PING localhost (127.0.0.1): 56 data bytes
>64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=1.008 ms
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 13 -> ping eeyore1
>PING eeyore1 (24.9.218.175): 56 data bytes
>64 bytes from 24.9.218.175: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.106 ms
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 14 -> ping eeyore
>PING eeyore (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
>64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=0.098 ms
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 15 -> ping rabbit
>PING rabbit (192.168.1.2): 56 data bytes
>64 bytes from 192.168.1.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=128 time=0.252 ms
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ps waux | grep natd
>root      173  0.0  0.2   432   96  ??  Ss   10:44PM   0:00.23 /sbin/natd
>-f /etc/natd.conf -n vx0
>
>jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 19 -> cat /etc/natd.conf
>interface vx0
>use_sockets yes
>same_ports yes
>dynamic yes
>
>
>--------From Win98--------
>ping localhost works (127.0.0.1)
>ping rabbit works    (192.168.1.2)
>ping eeyore (192.168.1.1) - gives Request timed out.
>
>
>
>Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong here?
>Thanks!
>
>===========================
>Jim Freeze
>jim@freeze.org
>===========================
>
>
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Hehehe...this was actually quite amusing. :)  I haven't read this much 
cursing since I was in high school.

=O

- Jim

At 12:09 AM 11/26/2000 -0600, R.Munden wrote:
>Don't worry about it;  call me I'll only charge you 250 f**king dollars per
>hour to f**king fix it
>
>"... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that,
>lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C
>programs."
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kenneth Wayne
> > Culver
> > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 11:35 PM
> > To: mattman@mattcave.net
> > Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: The real Unix problem
> >
> >
> > Well, maybe if you'd get a f***ing clue and actually search the
> > mailing lists (on the webpage) and look at the handbook (again on the
> > webpage) you could figure it out. This isn't point 'n click winblows for
> > idiots, this is FreeBSD; you actually have to LEARN something to use it.
> >
> >
> > =================================================================
> > | Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade    |
> > | Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
> > | and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
> > | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
> > | College Park.                     | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
> > =================================================================
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 mattman@mattcave.net wrote:
> >
> > > The biggest problem with fucking unix and fucking unix cloned
> > turds is there is no god damn help file that makes any sense. It
> > will tell you what you need and how to do and then at the end you
> > will have to send off for a fucking acme esp fuck your mind kit
> > and hope you can figure out what the gay ass unix admin meant.
> > How about some fucking help for more than than version it might
> > work for. You want to beat Microsoft??? You never will, because
> > unix guys are stupid faggots that think everyone should already
> > know what they have stuck up there ass. Fuck Unix, Unix sucks.
> > Someone told me to use RedHat. It was the easiest. I went to
> > RedHat and they told me everything I already knew. Here's
> > something I don't know. How do you get a fucking program to load
> > at startup on freebsd? Where on your fucking website do you have
> > that. I want to set up a Unix POP3 server. The instructions tell
> > me how to compile. Then they tell me to move the fucking file to
> > a directory in my path. I can do that. Now what, the fucking end.
> > They say I'm done. I can't get any mail. They don't tell me how
> > to configure it. They fucking make me wonder what the fuck they
> > have up there ass to make me psychic. How about putting that on
> > your website.
> > >
> > > The only thing I've found on your website is how great freebsd
> > is and you can do it but it depends on your version. I know my
> > version... how do I fucking do it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be sure and forward this to all you freebsd experts out there.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Hey Cliff,

I work for a telecommunications company and we use a TON of Solaris.  But 
really, if you just need to know the basic of Unix, any unix-alike can 
provide that.  I started with Linux, moved over to FreeBSD, and then not 
too long after that got into DEC, HP, Solaris, and AIX.  Now, I mostly work 
with Solaris.  There are subtle differences between the various 
flavors.  The bigger differences don't become apparent until you start 
coding in the various environments.  The way these flavors perform memory 
management, swapping, etc.  So, I can safely suggest (from personal 
experience) that FreeBSD would be fine to study...but I truly think for 
beginners that some flavor of Linux is best.  I don't know how many others 
on this list would back me on that, but as a personal thought, I offer you 
that.

Happy Unix'ing :)  UNIX RULES!  WINDBLOWZ...er eh hem...nevermind.

- Jim

At 07:17 AM 11/26/2000 +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
>On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 03:56:37PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
> > raf ar wrote:
> > >
> > > with the different flavors of unix, i dont know which one to learn, im a
> > > telecommunications student at devry and i know sooner or later i will be
> > > working on unix systems whether i like it or not, i have been reading the
> > > handbook in freebsd.org AND I FIND FREEBSD VERY INTERESTING, NOW MY 
> QUESTION
> > > IS, WHAT FLAVOR OF UNIX WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME TO LEARN, IS FREE 
> BSD THE
> > > CHOICE? KINDLY REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL, THNX...THEEO
> >
> >       If you write to a freebsd list, what do you think we're going to
> > recommend, linux? :)
> >
>Give the guy a break ! He is asking for information not
>smart-ass remarks.
>
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Make sure your securelevel is not > 1 :)

- Jim

At 11:26 PM 11/25/2000 -0800, Roop Nanuwa wrote:

>Are you sure you're logged in (or su'd) as root?
>
>RSN
>
>On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 mike@hyperreal.org wrote:
>
> > I rolled the dice and it looks like I can use 2 NICs in the old doorstop
> > after all, so I'll still be working on trying to configure NAT.
> >
> > I compiled a new kernel to support the second NIC, and now I'm having a
> > more fundamental problem: I cannot touch the old/current kernel.
> >
> > # make install
> > chflags noschg /kernel
> > chflags: /kernel: Operation not permitted
> > *** Error code 1 (ignored)
> > mv /kernel /kernel.old
> > mv: rename /kernel to /kernel.old: Operation not permitted
> > *** Error code 1
> >
> > What is this a symptom of?
> >
> > It's not covered in the Handbook and I have never had it happen before.
> > The default kernel was removed just fine. Doesn't matter if I'm in
> > single-user mode or not; the kernel is untouchable.
> >
> > -Mike
> >
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Hi!

I've upgraded 4.1-RELEASE to 4.2-RELEASE via make world.
All was fine, but now when I try to run mc (Midnight
Commander 4.5.51) under screen 3.9.8 (text mode multiscreen
manager) the latest dies with signal 6 or 11.

I've been using FreeBSD versions from 2.2.5 to 4.1,
but there was no problem like described until 4.2.

I tried to recompile screen and mc with ncurses or slang -
no change. Note: I'm using cons25/cons25r term. When
I set, for example, ansi or vt100 before starting the
screen, all is fine. Further, the cons25r-m (cons25-m)
terminal is also OK, and running mc -c (force color mode)
does not follow to crash. But I think it is not right.

What's the reason? What can I do with that?
Please, cc your reply to my email.

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:23:54AM -0500, Erik Rothwell wrote:
> You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why
> not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really
> effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so
> childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating
> system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and
> for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by
> the Windows congolomorate.
> Learn about something before you install it, bro. 

To those who took the time to read this reply in this rather
unseemingly thread, my gratitude for you taking the time to
read my perhaps controversial opinions on it instead of
skipping over it based on header :)

Unfortunately, he has a point which seems to be escaping almost
everyone who has replied to this thread:

Ever since the adaptation of Microsoft Windows as the "standard"
for the "home user", the very nature in the design of such
software has taken the "oldschool" hackers (I mean MSDOS
or PCDOS, OS/9, PC-MOS386, etc) and turned him/her into the
lowest common denominator for those who don't have the time
nor the inclination to learn.

All in the name of "convienience" and "ease of use".

Some of my clients can't even navigate their way around Windows
itself because they simply don't have the aptitude to assimilate
the information in a coherent manner (whether it be some deep
seated fear of computers -- as odd as that sounds, I still meet
some people who are afraid of computers) and thus OS's such
as FreeBSD seem completely alien to them (afterall, there's
no place to click to install this or that)

The fault doesn't lie with the user, in this case, a very
distraught and upset person who for all we know, care barely
find the "Start" button. I'll bet he barely understands the
"dos prompt" in Windows much less then how to compile a kernel.

I don't mean this to add to the already numerous insults he's
received, I emphasize it to illustrate that not everyone out
there in computer-land is from the days when some of us used
Radiation King monitors and machines that weren't even measured
in MHz.

The true culprit is monolithic corporations such as Microsoft
who in what I'm sure was originally once a noble idea to make
computers easier to use, has sacrificed the control some of us
DEMAND from our operating systems to fit into a world costantly
in a hurry to get somewhere and shit-canned everyone into the
same mould and thus produces users who end up getting
frustrated because they only think on the one wavelength in
which they were "educated" into.

The end result is we who understand and can sit on this side
of the fence look down on those on the other side of the fence
who simply don't know any better. Instead of retorting back
with insults, perhaps it would have been a better avenue to
suggest help in a more helpful manner.

I realize to some of you, you might be thinking, "we don't
need his kind anyways". It's unlikely to me that any of us
were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went
about learning and asking questions in a much more
acceptable manner.

The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD
(anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition
to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals
here people, yes?

</ramble>

My 2 cents...
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 11:21:03AM +0200, Oleg Semyonov wrote:
> Hi!
>=20
> I've upgraded 4.1-RELEASE to 4.2-RELEASE via make world.
> All was fine, but now when I try to run mc (Midnight
> Commander 4.5.51) under screen 3.9.8 (text mode multiscreen
> manager) the latest dies with signal 6 or 11.

See PR ports/23059. It is a bug in the screen port, not a bug in
FreeBSD.

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HERE HERE!!  :)  But, yes, I think your statement was a bit not strong 
enough...

<clip>

>were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went
>about learning and asking questions in a much more
>acceptable manner.

</clip>

Anybody could have asked the very same question in a much more acceptable 
manner...especially from the start.  I have to admit, that the ONE thing 
that drives me NUTTY are those who when they first get asked a question 
their first response is : RTFM!! But on the flip side of that, I can't 
stand people who just ask questions ALL the time and aren't willing to try 
and find a less convenient (perhaps) more reliable (most likely) avenue of 
getting their questions answered.  So it goes both ways and this argument 
could go on forever.  So, in the interest of time...mr mouth (below) should 
have been way more tact when he asked his question...er did he ask?!  :)

- Jim

At 02:22 AM 11/26/2000 -0700, Chris Wasser wrote:
>On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:23:54AM -0500, Erik Rothwell wrote:
> > You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why
> > not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really
> > effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so
> > childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating
> > system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and
> > for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by
> > the Windows congolomorate.
> > Learn about something before you install it, bro.
>
>To those who took the time to read this reply in this rather
>unseemingly thread, my gratitude for you taking the time to
>read my perhaps controversial opinions on it instead of
>skipping over it based on header :)
>
>Unfortunately, he has a point which seems to be escaping almost
>everyone who has replied to this thread:
>
>Ever since the adaptation of Microsoft Windows as the "standard"
>for the "home user", the very nature in the design of such
>software has taken the "oldschool" hackers (I mean MSDOS
>or PCDOS, OS/9, PC-MOS386, etc) and turned him/her into the
>lowest common denominator for those who don't have the time
>nor the inclination to learn.
>
>All in the name of "convienience" and "ease of use".
>
>Some of my clients can't even navigate their way around Windows
>itself because they simply don't have the aptitude to assimilate
>the information in a coherent manner (whether it be some deep
>seated fear of computers -- as odd as that sounds, I still meet
>some people who are afraid of computers) and thus OS's such
>as FreeBSD seem completely alien to them (afterall, there's
>no place to click to install this or that)
>
>The fault doesn't lie with the user, in this case, a very
>distraught and upset person who for all we know, care barely
>find the "Start" button. I'll bet he barely understands the
>"dos prompt" in Windows much less then how to compile a kernel.
>
>I don't mean this to add to the already numerous insults he's
>received, I emphasize it to illustrate that not everyone out
>there in computer-land is from the days when some of us used
>Radiation King monitors and machines that weren't even measured
>in MHz.
>
>The true culprit is monolithic corporations such as Microsoft
>who in what I'm sure was originally once a noble idea to make
>computers easier to use, has sacrificed the control some of us
>DEMAND from our operating systems to fit into a world costantly
>in a hurry to get somewhere and shit-canned everyone into the
>same mould and thus produces users who end up getting
>frustrated because they only think on the one wavelength in
>which they were "educated" into.
>
>The end result is we who understand and can sit on this side
>of the fence look down on those on the other side of the fence
>who simply don't know any better. Instead of retorting back
>with insults, perhaps it would have been a better avenue to
>suggest help in a more helpful manner.
>
>I realize to some of you, you might be thinking, "we don't
>need his kind anyways". It's unlikely to me that any of us
>were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went
>about learning and asking questions in a much more
>acceptable manner.
>
>The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD
>(anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition
>to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals
>here people, yes?
>
></ramble>
>
>My 2 cents...
>Chris Wasser
>
>
>
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Hello,

In the past I've submitted a couple of patches for problems within
FreeBSD (kern/17539, conf/17699, bin/22787) and ports (ports/22776,
ports/22903). Up to now I've heard nothing of them and am a little
bit starting to loose my faith in ever getting them processed [but
not enough yet to take me away from FreeBSD :-)].

Clearly, submitting a patch hasn't been enough, are there other
trees I should bark against to get these things implemented?

Edwin, always willing to help in these cases.

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hi all
bad news for me, eh?

heres what happened. i cvsuped last night to RELENG_4
i did a make buildworld and that went fine
then i did the make installworld and it quit at some point not to long
after it started. unfortunately, i dont have the specific error.

so then i went back and tried to do a fresh make buildworld. now i get
this:

cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile;  make obj;  make depend;  make
all;  make install
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile created for
/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
rm -f .depend
mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include
/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make _EXTRADEPEND
echo strfile: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a  >> .depend
cc -O -pipe -Wall   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c
/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
cc -O -pipe -Wall   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  -o strfile
strfile.o  
/usr/lib/crtbegin.o: In function `_init':
/usr/lib/crtbegin.o(.init+0x0): multiple definition of `_init'
/usr/lib/crti.o(.init+0x0): first defined here
/usr/lib/crtbegin.o: In function `_fini':
/usr/lib/crtbegin.o(.fini+0x0): multiple definition of `_fini'
/usr/lib/crti.o(.fini+0x0): first defined here
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile.
*** Error code 1

and a make most produces:

make: don't know how to make
/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/param.h. Stop

and /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys doesn't exist

any clues to whats happened here?

please cc me on any replies, as i dont folow the list these days

chuck



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	Hello,

	I have quite an annoying problem that is (presumably )
not directly related to FreeBSD, but I hope somebody here will
have a clue about what's going on.

	I connect to the Internet through a phone line on which
I run kernel ppp. My IP address is dynamically assigned every
time I call my ISP. Simple as it sounds, from time to time packets
stop coming in through the modem. I can see how packets still go
out, but they never get a reply from outside. It seems this
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Hi

I am running 3.3 and have done a cvsup to 3.4.
However, when I try to make buildworld, I 've the
following error:

make -j4 -DNOPROFILE=true buildworld
.
.    # A few compiling stuff going on here.
.
.
cc -O -pipe   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  -o yacc closure.o error.o lal
r.o lr0.o main.o mkpar.o output.o reader.o skeleton.o symtab.o verbose.o warshal
l.o
sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -c -o root -g wheel -m 555  /usr/src/usr.bin/yacc/y
yfix.sh /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin/yyfix
/usr/src/tools/install.sh: Can't open /usr/src/tools/install.sh
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2
1 error
*** Error code 2

As far as I can see, there is no install.sh in /usr/src/tools even with the
existing
3.3R version I am running. Any idea ?




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i'm having trouble mounting a floppy drive...
 
the command "mount /floppy" produces the error message:
mount: /dev/fd0.1440 on /floppy: incorrect super block

my fd0 entry in fstab is as follows:
/dev/fd0.1440		/floppy		ufs	rw,noauto	1	1

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=== bwolter@thesadmachine.org escribia
(Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 11:14:11AM -0000):

> i'm having trouble mounting a floppy drive...
>  
> the command "mount /floppy" produces the error message:
> mount: /dev/fd0.1440 on /floppy: incorrect super block
> 
> my fd0 entry in fstab is as follows:
> /dev/fd0.1440		/floppy		ufs	rw,noauto	1	1
> 
> anyone have any idea what i'm doing wrong?

	Looks like the floppy has no filesystem on it, or
maybe it's not a ufs one. If the floppy has been formatted
under some sort of MS/DOS you should have 'msdos' instead
of 'ufs' as the filesystem type.


						Manuel Garcia




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Is there a way to force a 3c574-TX PCMCIA NIC into half-duplex mode? 
The ep driver doesn't seem to allow this.  My problem is that my
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cable, and its a half-duplex connection, things work just fine.  Any
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hi sris,

am using 4.1-stable freebsd

i've just finished cvsup stable-supfile and started make world.
what i get is a message says

cc: internal comiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal  10
*** error code 1

stop in /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl
*** error code 1

i try another repeating cvsup with ended successfully.
now i try another make world and get the same result.

my other machine has finished cvsup stable for 4.2-stable two hours ago 
and run smoothly now.

just a few seconds later can't get the same outcome.

any hints.

thanks in advance.

with best regards,
psr




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As by now, (I'm sure), you've received many other insults and complaints,
I won't add my two cents worth to that (even though I'd love to).  I agree
with an earlier posting which points the finger directly at Micro$oft.  I
too have worked with people who don't even know how to use a mouse
properly.  To try to have them read a manual, FAQ, etc., would be
impossible.

If you are really interested in learning how software and hardware
interact, you will FIRST of all read all you can.  If you still do not
understand, THEN post your question to the appropriate newsgroup POLITELY
and you may get a response.  Be specific in asking.

There are many experts here who like helping out newbies.  (I have
first-hand knowledge of that!)  However, most of what I have learned has
been found by reading man pages, FAQ's, books, and OLD NEWSGROUP ARCHIVES
(hint-hint).  If I still cannot find the answer to my problem after doing
all that, THEN I ask for help here...NICELY.

I've been in your shoes as well...very frustrated when first learning this
OS.  Just push back from your computer, take several deep breaths, (or one
LONG break), and start at it again.

If, on the other hand, you are one of those people who needs their hand
held while they do everything (as someone else has mentioned), then you
may be better off staying with Windbloz.


On Nov 25, mattman@mattcave.net enlightened us with the following:

> The biggest problem with fucking unix and fucking unix cloned turds is th=
ere is no god damn help file that makes any sense. It will tell you what yo=
u need and how to do and then at the end you will have to send off for a fu=
cking acme esp fuck your mind kit and hope you can figure out what the gay =
ass unix admin meant. How about some fucking help for more than than versio=
n it might work for. You want to beat Microsoft??? You never will, because =
unix guys are stupid faggots that think everyone should already know what t=
hey have stuck up there ass. Fuck Unix, Unix sucks. Someone told me to use =
RedHat. It was the easiest. I went to RedHat and they told me everything I =
already knew. Here's something I don't know. How do you get a fucking progr=
am to load at startup on freebsd? Where on your fucking website do you have=
 that. I want to set up a Unix POP3 server. The instructions tell me how to=
 compile. Then they tell me to move the fucking file to a directory in my p=
ath. I can do that. Now what, the fucking end. They say I'm done. I can't g=
et any mail. They don't tell me how to configure it. They fucking make me w=
onder what the fuck they have up there ass to make me psychic. How about pu=
tting that on your website.=20
>=20
> The only thing I've found on your website is how great freebsd is and you=
 can do it but it depends on your version. I know my version... how do I fu=
cking do it?
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Be sure and forward this to all you freebsd experts out there.
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I have successfully cvsup'd to 4.2-STABLE.  However, in trying to complete
the update in  /dev and /stand, I get the following errors:

For /dev:
   MyFreeBSD# ./MAKEDEV all

   /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
   mknod: klog: No space left on device
   /sbin/mknod klog

...(repeated many times)...

For /stand:
   /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
   install: /stand/sysinstall: No space left on device
   *** Error code 71

Diskspace looks as follows:
   MyFreeBSD# df -h
   Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
   /dev/ad0s1a   242M   175M    48M    78%    /
   /dev/ad0s1e   7.3G   2.3G   4.4G    34%    /usr
   procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc

Any ideas, suggestions, links, etc. about what is going on would be
greatly appreciated.  (BTW...I was using the Make World example found at
www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd which has worked great as a general
guideline up until now.)

Steve



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Steve wrote:
> 
> I have successfully cvsup'd to 4.2-STABLE.  However, in trying to complete
> the update in  /dev and /stand, I get the following errors:
> 
> For /dev:
>    MyFreeBSD# ./MAKEDEV all
> 
>    /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
>    mknod: klog: No space left on device
>    /sbin/mknod klog
> 
> ...(repeated many times)...
> 
> For /stand:
>    /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
>    install: /stand/sysinstall: No space left on device
>    *** Error code 71
> 
> Diskspace looks as follows:
>    MyFreeBSD# df -h
>    Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
>    /dev/ad0s1a   242M   175M    48M    78%    /
>    /dev/ad0s1e   7.3G   2.3G   4.4G    34%    /usr
>    procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
> 
> Any ideas, suggestions, links, etc. about what is going on would be
> greatly appreciated.  (BTW...I was using the Make World example found at
> www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd which has worked great as a general
> guideline up until now.)

It sounds like you have run out of inodes on the file system. You can
see what is being used by typing "df -i".

Kent

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FreeBSD-stable with wu-ftpd port installed.

wu-ftpd was asked to send notification about
uploads by e-mail. All was ok for some weeks.
But once the following error began to follow
each attempt to send e-mail notification:

<ftp.err> ftpd[407]: Can't connect to a mailserver.

Reboots, deinstall/install of wu-ftpd port
did not help.

Both sendmail and procmail are working normally
as before. No changes of configuration happened.

What might be wrong?
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Thanks for the quick response.  Output is:

MyFreeBSD# df -i
Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity iused   ifree  %iused
Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a    248047   178899    49305    78%   62462       0   100%   /
/dev/ad0s1e   7627012  2396559  4620293    34%  158662 1753912     8%
/usr
procfs              4        4        0   100%      44     488     8%
/proc

Is the procedures outlined at http://www.freebsddiary.org/inodes.html the
correct way to fix this problem?  Also, what would cause this and is there
a quick fix to prevent it from happening again?

On Nov 26, Kent Stewart enlightened us with the following:

> 
> 
> Steve wrote:
> > 
> > I have successfully cvsup'd to 4.2-STABLE.  However, in trying to complete
> > the update in  /dev and /stand, I get the following errors:
> > 
> > For /dev:
> >    MyFreeBSD# ./MAKEDEV all
> > 
> >    /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
> >    mknod: klog: No space left on device
> >    /sbin/mknod klog
> > 
> > ...(repeated many times)...
> > 
> > For /stand:
> >    /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
> >    install: /stand/sysinstall: No space left on device
> >    *** Error code 71
> > 
> > Diskspace looks as follows:
> >    MyFreeBSD# df -h
> >    Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> >    /dev/ad0s1a   242M   175M    48M    78%    /
> >    /dev/ad0s1e   7.3G   2.3G   4.4G    34%    /usr
> >    procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
> > 
> > Any ideas, suggestions, links, etc. about what is going on would be
> > greatly appreciated.  (BTW...I was using the Make World example found at
> > www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd which has worked great as a general
> > guideline up until now.)
> 
> It sounds like you have run out of inodes on the file system. You can
> see what is being used by typing "df -i".
> 
> Kent
> 
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
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> -- 
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I'm running FreeBSD 4.1.1R with KDE.  My system is an i386 200Mhz AMD K-6
with 64MB of RAM.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

Mark

Mark Hummel wrote:

> I've tried to install Netscpae and Communicator several times via the
> ports collection, but to no avail.  When I ftp'd the links found in the
> Makefiles (I've tried more than one version), I noticed they are
> different.
>
> Is it possible the Netscape site webmaster moved them?  Anyway, I tried
> to perform a manual install according to the readme files of the
> versions I attempted.
>
> Using ns-install (the automatic install program that comes with the full
> download versions) everthing seemed to work as advertised, but when I
> try to run Netscape, nothing happens.
>
> What can I do to solve my challenge? Any suggestions would be greatly
> appreciated.
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I tried 
 tcpdump -eni al0 
but got an error.


root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 24 -> tcpdump -eni al0
tcpdump: /dev/bpf1: No such file or directory

Could this be related to the problem?

Thanks
Jim

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:06:51AM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > I am running FBSD3.4R as a gateway/router with a Win98 box connected on
> > a local LAN. The gateway machine can see the internet and the Win98 box,
> > but the Win98 box cannot ping the gateway nor see beyond it.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> The configs look OK. But...
> 
> > root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ifconfig -a
> > vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> >         inet 24.9.218.175 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.9.218.255
> >         ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
> > al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> >         inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
> >         ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> This does not look at all right.
> 
> >         media: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)
> >         supported media: autoselect 100baseTX <full-duplex> 100baseTX
> > <half-duplex> 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP
> > <half-duplex>
> > lp0: flags=8810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > tun0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > sl0: flags=c010<POINTOPOINT,LINK2,MULTICAST> mtu 552
> > ppp0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
> >         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> 
> If you do a 'tcpdump -eni al0' while you try both the ping from the
> gateway to the Win98 box and the other way, what do you see?
> -- 
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> 
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i formatted the disk with fdformat /dev/fd0 and it (appeared to) work...
i'm assuming that it would be formatted as a ufs filesystem.  am i
incorrect?


peace,
brian


		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Manuel Enrique Garcia Cuesta wrote:

>
>
> === bwolter@thesadmachine.org escribia
> (Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 11:14:11AM -0000):
>
> > i'm having trouble mounting a floppy drive...
> >
> > the command "mount /floppy" produces the error message:
> > mount: /dev/fd0.1440 on /floppy: incorrect super block
> >
> > my fd0 entry in fstab is as follows:
> > /dev/fd0.1440		/floppy		ufs	rw,noauto	1	1
> >
> > anyone have any idea what i'm doing wrong?
>
> 	Looks like the floppy has no filesystem on it, or
> maybe it's not a ufs one. If the floppy has been formatted
> under some sort of MS/DOS you should have 'msdos' instead
> of 'ufs' as the filesystem type.
>
>
> 						Manuel Garcia
>
>
>
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Chris,

I use Outlook as my MUA of choice.  It's not about eye candy, it's not
sub-standard.  While outlook does have it's limitations, I can live with
those.  What I can't live with, are the limitations I've found in pine, elm,
and mutt (to name 3 of the Unix MUAs that I've used).  With a combination of
procmail and imap, Outlook serves every need I have.  Personally, I'm
waiting for evolution to get stable, at which time, I'll give great
consideration to switching my desktop enviornment to X (assuming there's a
reasonable browser for X by then).

Back to Outlook.  Setting the default format to plain text is simple enough,
but has absolutely nothing to do with those headers.  I have similar headers
in every message I send, and I've never had one complaint about the format
of my messages sent to this, or any other list.

If those headers bother you, perhaps you should fix your MUA.  Any header
prefixed with a X- is /experimental/ and should be ignored by any MUA that
doesn't understand what that header is.

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** like these into
** your mail:
**
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**
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**
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Janet,
I have the same card, but can't test it because it's linked to a
switch. I need full-duplex. Try using the mediaopt flag. ifconfig ep0
a.b.c.d mediaopt half-duplex netmask 255.x.y.z should do it. The
mediaopt flag is mentioned in the ifconfig man page.
-Otter

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}
}Is there a way to force a 3c574-TX PCMCIA NIC into half-duplex mode?
}The ep driver doesn't seem to allow this.  My problem is that my
}3c574-TX in my laptop will not work when plugged in to my
}10/100 switch
}- all the lights are on, but no traffic is ever sent or
}received.  When
}I plug the same NIC directly into another system with a cross over
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 07:10:18AM -0600, brian william wolter wrote:
> i formatted the disk with fdformat /dev/fd0 and it (appeared to) work...
> i'm assuming that it would be formatted as a ufs filesystem.  am i
> incorrect?

man fdformat:

    Note that fdformat does only perform low-level formatting.  In case you
    wish to create a file system on the medium, see the commands newfs(8) for
    an ufs file system, or newfs_msdos(8) for an MS-DOS (FAT) file system.

Now you can only use it to tar files to it (if I'm not mistaken).

Edwin

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:04:23PM +0530, Rajesh Chopra wrote:
> 
You lost your way somewhere pal..
> 
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> http://www.liveindia.com/priyanka/index.html
> 
> Femina Miss India World 2000 Priyanka Chopra
> will be the candidate for Miss World pageant-2000.
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Hey Jim,
Errm. The enquiry over which UNIX to learn was not from me..
I have worked on UNIX systems for about 25 years ... :)
I was objecting to an unfriendly response the enquirer got..
isn't there something called FreeBSD advocacy ? 

Cliff

On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 04:19:33AM -0500, Jim Conner wrote:
> Hey Cliff,
> 
> I work for a telecommunications company and we use a TON of Solaris.  But 
> really, if you just need to know the basic of Unix, any unix-alike can 
> provide that.  I started with Linux, moved over to FreeBSD, and then not 
> too long after that got into DEC, HP, Solaris, and AIX.  Now, I mostly work 
> with Solaris.  There are subtle differences between the various 
> flavors.  The bigger differences don't become apparent until you start 
> coding in the various environments.  The way these flavors perform memory 
> management, swapping, etc.  So, I can safely suggest (from personal 
> experience) that FreeBSD would be fine to study...but I truly think for 
> beginners that some flavor of Linux is best.  I don't know how many others 
> on this list would back me on that, but as a personal thought, I offer you 
> that.
> 
> Happy Unix'ing :)  UNIX RULES!  WINDBLOWZ...er eh hem...nevermind.
> 
> - Jim
> 
> At 07:17 AM 11/26/2000 +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> >On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 03:56:37PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
> > > raf ar wrote:
> > > >
> > > > with the different flavors of unix, i dont know which one to learn, im a
> > > > telecommunications student at devry and i know sooner or later i will be
> > > > working on unix systems whether i like it or not, i have been reading the
> > > > handbook in freebsd.org AND I FIND FREEBSD VERY INTERESTING, NOW MY 
> > QUESTION
> > > > IS, WHAT FLAVOR OF UNIX WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME TO LEARN, IS FREE 
> > BSD THE
> > > > CHOICE? KINDLY REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL, THNX...THEEO
> > >
> > >       If you write to a freebsd list, what do you think we're going to
> > > recommend, linux? :)
> > >
> >Give the guy a break ! He is asking for information not
> >smart-ass remarks.
> >
> >Cliff
> >
> >
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> - Jim
> - NOTJames
> - jconner@enterit.com
> 
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 02:35:32AM -0500, mike johnson wrote:
> 
> Read the release notes , if you see nothing you need in 4.2 that is in 4.0 ,
> then you wont have to upgrade. 
> releasenotes are in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/
> 
Ok. 
I forgot to mention next year i will be getting an ASDL (or
do I mean ADSL ..:) ) connection,
is the support for this shaken down so to speak ?
Pointing me at a document to read will be ok ..

Thanks

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 05:33:51AM -0600, Steve wrote:
> As by now, (I'm sure), you've received many other insults and complaints,
> I won't add my two cents worth to that (even though I'd love to).  I agree
> with an earlier posting which points the finger directly at Micro$oft.  

Mmm. I was going to keep out of this.
The guy's language and disgustingly homophobic remarks in my
view make him beyond redemption.
He needs to get his medication checked, and his attitude
examined.
On the other hand, I suppose by posting all that nonsense to this
newsgroup maybe he didn't shout at anyone in his personal life
that day. You never know the therapeutic effect of screaming
rage at a bunch of people you don't know who are just trying to get
along and be helpful..

*sigh*

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Subject: RE: make buildworld from 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2-STABLE fails miserably
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Chuck,
Go take a read into /usr/src/UPDATING. I gave up on your way of
upgrading as it only works SOME of the time. When I do it the new way,
it seems to work ALL of the time. Try doing:
cvsup your source (using tag=RELENG_4 will get you 4.2-STABLE source)
cd /usr/src
make buildworld
make buildkernel KERNEL=GENERIC (or whatever config you're using)
make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC (whatever kernel config file you're
using above)
make installworld
mergemaster (make sure you back up your /etc dir first, in case you're
not comfortable with mergemaster changes)
reboot
uname -r should yield 4.2-STABLE
Now go crack open a cold one. It isn't Monday yet.
-Otter


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}From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
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}Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 5:12 AM
}To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}Subject: make buildworld from 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2-STABLE
}fails miserably
}
}
}hi all
}bad news for me, eh?
}
}heres what happened. i cvsuped last night to RELENG_4
}i did a make buildworld and that went fine
}then i did the make installworld and it quit at some point
}not to long
}after it started. unfortunately, i dont have the specific error.
}
}so then i went back and tried to do a fresh make buildworld.
}now i get
}this:
}
}cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile;  make obj;  make depend;  make
}all;  make install
}/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile created for
}/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
}rm -f .depend
}mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include
}/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
}cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make _EXTRADEPEND
}echo strfile: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a  >> .depend
}cc -O -pipe -Wall   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c
}/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
}cc -O -pipe -Wall   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  -o strfile
}strfile.o
}/usr/lib/crtbegin.o: In function `_init':
}/usr/lib/crtbegin.o(.init+0x0): multiple definition of `_init'
}/usr/lib/crti.o(.init+0x0): first defined here
}/usr/lib/crtbegin.o: In function `_fini':
}/usr/lib/crtbegin.o(.fini+0x0): multiple definition of `_fini'
}/usr/lib/crti.o(.fini+0x0): first defined here
}*** Error code 1
}
}Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile.
}*** Error code 1
}
}and a make most produces:
}
}make: don't know how to make
}/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/param.h. Stop
}
}and /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys doesn't exist
}
}any clues to whats happened here?
}
}please cc me on any replies, as i dont folow the list these days
}
}chuck
}
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Joe,
That all depends on your versions of FreeBSD and XFree86. In
4.2-RELEASE and using XF86-4.0.1_8 (I'd guess 3.3.6 to be about the
same requirements), the only thing you need to do is edit /etc/ttys
(assuming you want xdm to start at boot, otherwise, just type "xdm" at
the prompt). Anything prior to that, I've found also requires a tweak
of xdm-config. I use wdm, but it works just the same for setup
(xdm/wdm/kdm/etc). In /etc/ttys, change the one line to look like
mine:

ttyv8   "/usr/X11R6/bin/wdm -nodaemon"  xterm   on secure

Of course, you'll need to reinit/reboot to get that to take effect. If
it still doesn't work, modify /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config (or wherever it
might be) to look like:

DisplayManager.errorLogFile:    /var/log/xdm-errors
DisplayManager.pidFile:         /var/run/xdm-pid
DisplayManager.keyFile:         /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-keys
DisplayManager.servers:         /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers
DisplayManager.accessFile:      /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xaccess
DisplayManager.willing:         su -fm nobody -c
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xwilling
! All displays should use authorization, but we cannot be sure
! X terminals will be configured that way, so by default
! use authorization only for local displays :0, :1, etc.
DisplayManager._0.authorize:    true
DisplayManager._1.authorize:    true
! The following three resources set up display :0 as the console.
DisplayManager._0.setup:        /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsetup_0
DisplayManager._0.startup:      /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/GiveConsole
DisplayManager._0.reset:        /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/TakeConsole
!
DisplayManager*resources:       /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources
DisplayManager*session:         /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xsession
DisplayManager*authComplain:    false
! SECURITY: do not listen for XDMCP or Chooser requests
! Comment out this line if you want to manage X terminals with xdm
DisplayManager.requestPort:     0

As I recall, I think there was only one line to change to get it to
work. I put all my values up so that you could compare them to yours.
Hope this helps. Feel free to email me with any other questions you
might have, but this is all it took to get it working...
-Otter


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}
}Is there  a document (advice is welcome also) that explains
}how to get
}XDM working with FreeBSD? A sample config would be greatly
}appreciated.
}
}Thanks!
}
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If your ADSL provider uses PPPoE, you'll probably want to look into
netgraph. Mine doesn't. The only thing I needed was support for a
network card, and then use the default DHCP client, dhclient. Next
year could be a month away or twelve months away. Ifd it's going to be
awhile, I'd wait until you get it before making any major purchasing
choices. Right now, you

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}
}
}On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 02:35:32AM -0500, mike johnson wrote:
}>
}> Read the release notes , if you see nothing you need in
}4.2 that is in 4.0 ,
}> then you wont have to upgrade.
}> releasenotes are in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/
}>
}Ok.
}I forgot to mention next year i will be getting an ASDL (or
}do I mean ADSL ..:) ) connection,
}is the support for this shaken down so to speak ?
}Pointing me at a document to read will be ok ..
}
}Thanks
}
}Cliff
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oops! slip of the hand sent before i was done.
}
}If your ADSL provider uses PPPoE, you'll probably want to
}look into netgraph. Mine doesn't. The only thing I needed
}was support for a network card, and then use the default
}DHCP client, dhclient. Next year could be a month away or
}twelve months away. Ifd it's going to be awhile, I'd wait
}until you get it before making any major purchasing choices.
}Right now, you should be in good shape as FreeBSD 4.0 will get you
online. Go read the release notes to see if you need an upgrade, as
Mike mentioned. If you need to upgrade, it's no big deal. You can do
it later after you get the OS installed.
-Otter

}
}}-----Original Message-----
}}From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}}[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
}}Cliff Sarginson
}}Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 8:12 AM
}}To: mike johnson
}}Cc: Cliff Sarginson; questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}}Subject: Re: FreeBSD Version Question
}}
}}
}}On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 02:35:32AM -0500, mike johnson wrote:
}}>
}}> Read the release notes , if you see nothing you need in
}}4.2 that is in 4.0 ,
}}> then you wont have to upgrade.
}}> releasenotes are in http://www.freebsd.org/releases/
}}>
}}Ok.
}}I forgot to mention next year i will be getting an ASDL (or
}}do I mean ADSL ..:) ) connection,
}}is the support for this shaken down so to speak ?
}}Pointing me at a document to read will be ok ..
}}
}}Thanks
}}
}}Cliff
}}
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Jason,
When I was in college, I chose to skip Mind Reading 1101 classes and
smoke weed instead, I have no idea what term settings you have
currently. Maybe you could provide that info or find someone who
attended the classes.
-Otter


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}
}when i ssh to our linux machines at work and try editing/viewing
}something in vi, it all goes to shit.  (everything is on 1 line) i
}know this is not an ssh problem, but something i need to do with
}my term i persume.  any help would be mucho appreciated.
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I'd suggest reading the handbook, though I'm not sure how much there
is to document about it. Make sure you have the fd device(s) in your
kernel. Make sure dmesg shows the box recognizing it. Pop in a floppy
disk and mount it to a dir you've made for it. It's not exactly
quality documentation, but it's a point in the right drection.
-Otter


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}Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2000 10:13 PM
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}Subject: floppy drive
}
}
}can anyone point me towards some documentation regarding
}adding a floppy
}drive under FreeBSD 4.1?  i don't have much experience working with
}hardware, etc. any help would be appriciated.
}
}thanks.
}
}peace,
}brian
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I've implemented several different solutions for this.  The easiest, is to
give your IPs to your news provider and point your customers directly to
their server.

Another solution, rather poor, is to use netcat in combination with tcpd.
You don't want to have the relay wide open, else people will find it, and
get your service turned off.

A good combination of this, would be to use something like nntpcache.  This
requires a bit of a machine, but nothing compared to running your own
full-blown server.

Enjoy,

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** From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
** [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Matt Rudderham
** Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:41 PM
** To: Tony Kuta; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
** Subject: RE: News Relay
**
**
** Well, I don't know if this is what you're looking for or if it's proper
** "technique", but ibelieve if you have a domain you could just point
** news.yourdomain.com to UUNet's IP Address. You should probably check with
** them first, but it shouldn't be a problem. Is this what you're
** looking for?
** I'd be interested to hear opinions on this technique as well
** from others on
** this list.
**
** -Matt
**
** Heya all I am perplexed on how to setup a news relay since I am only on a
** T-1 and we all know that isn't enough bandwidth to do that so as Matt
** Heckman suggested maybe  "What if you set up a divert/tunnel for
** news? Ie,
** they would connect to your news server, which would then forward the
** connection to uunet's" "Something like an IPFW divert or natd
** redirect? So
** that a connection to you:119 would forward to uunet:119 so you
** could be sure
** the connection came from an allowed IP address..." some of that
** makes sense
** to me but I am a fairly new BSD person. Any suggestions?
**
**
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Hi!

How do I startup SNMP? Does it come along with the default installation or
is there a port I can use? Which version should I use of SNMP on fbsd?

What I would like to do is monitoring nat servers(fbsd) remote.

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Jung,

To prevent multiple logins, you'll need to use a radiusd that supports this.
For FreeBSD, you can use cistron radiusd, which can be found in
/usr/ports/net/radiusd-cistron/

Please see http://www.freeradius.org/ for help in setting this up.  The FAQ
is terse, but very helpful.



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** From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
** [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Zero Sum
** Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 12:19 AM
** To: Jung-an Fan
** Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
** Subject: Re: radius & limit login times
**
**
** On Friday 24 November 2000 15:06, Jung-an Fan wrote:
** > On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Zero Sum wrote:
** >
** > > On Thursday 23 November 2000 20:56, Jung-an Fan wrote:
** > > > If user A dialed up, then no one can use User A's password
** to dialup
** > > > when user A is online.
** > > > How to achieve this ?
** > > > thx.
** > > >
** > > In the system profile, check to see if the user has another
** login shell
** > > (this will be prefaced by a '-').  If they have, then exit.
** Since the
** > > system profiles are (or should be) dot executed, the shell will then
** exit
** > > and the next thing seen should be the login prompt (or connection
** dropped
** > > by foreign host for telnet).
** > >
** > > That should do the trick...
** > >
** > > Geoff
** > Uh...I mean if someone use USER A's password to dialup,
** > then no one can use USER A's password to dialup again
** > (when USER A is using dialup)
**
** Yes, I understood.  How does that I suggested nfail to give you what you
** want?
**
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On Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 01:34:09PM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote:
> I can't get the splash screen in 3.1 to work at greater than 320x200
> resolution (it works fine at 320x200).
<SNIP>
> Has anyone any idea what's wrong??. Thanks
> 
> My /boot/loader.rc:
> 
> 	load /kernel
> 	load -t userconfig_script /kernel.config
> 	load -t splash_image_data /dawn.bmp
> 	load vesa
> 	load splash_bmp
> 	autoboot

This is just a wild guess, but maybe you should try loading the splash
image AFTER vesa, like this:

       load /kernel
       load vesa
       load -t userconfig_script /kernel.config 
       load -t splash_image_data /dawn.bmp 
       load splash_bmp
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No, the original message just has a missing space between the end of
the URL and the next sentence.  Try this one:

               http://www.teleport.com/~schwartz

On Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 02:56:15PM -0500, Kerberus wrote:
> if ya click the link you get a 404 error requested page not found, i
> think chuck has moved
> 
> dougg conley wrote:
> 
> > Chuck the BSDaemon is on http://www.teleport.com/~schwartz.Is he
> > supposed to be there?
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You have to specify which version of FBSD you are using, as the
solution to your problem is version dependant.

On Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 09:04:45PM +0000, Owner wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm having teething problems setting up a Creative Labs AWE 32 soundcard
> on my FreeBSD box. The card setup on IRQ 10 and DMAs 3 and 7 works
> fine on my Windows drive, but seems to come to a halt when it comes to
> FreeBSD. The following bits of text are cuttings from a) dmesg and b) my kernel
> config file.
> 
> a)
> sb0 at 0x220 irq 10 drq 3 on isa
> 
> NOTE! SB Pro support required with your soundcard!
> snd0: <SoundBlaster 16 4.13> 
> awe0 not found at 0x620
> 
> b)
> controller      snd0
> device sbxvi0   at isa? drq 3
> device sbmidi0  at isa? port 0x330
> device awe0     at isa? port 0x620
> options SBC_IRQ=10
> options SB16_DMA=3
> 
> When I re-compile the kernel, it states that the commands "SBC_IRQ" and
> "SB16_DMA" are unknown, yet those are the commands that I copied from
> the main handbook on FreeBSD.ORG.
> 
> I'd be very appreciative of any help on the subject.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Sebastian
> 
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:45:07 -0500
From: "Donald J . Maddox" <dmaddox@conterra.com>
To: Mark Ovens <marko@uk.radan.com>
Cc: Chris Landauer <cal@rush.aero.org>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: 2.2.8 boot still wants sysinstall - answered
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On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 07:43:29AM +0000, Mark Ovens wrote:
> Chris Landauer wrote:
> > 
> > I recently asked why the sysinstall menu came up when i booted 2.2.8,
> > and i now see in my kernel configuration file that i enabled
> >         USERCONFIG_BOOT
> > 
> > which i presume causes exactly that behavior
> 
> No. USERCONFIG_BOOT causes the kernel to read /kernel.config at boot
> time, and execute any commands in there as if you had done ``boot -c''
> and typed them manually. It even echoes them to the screen the way you
> would type them in. You could check if there is anything in
> /kernel.config (I don't know if there is a boot option to start
> sysinstall).

No, actually, USERCONFIG_BOOT just causes the kernel config editor
to be entered at boot time, and sources the /kernel.config...  If
your /kernel.config doesn't end with 'quit' or 'q', or if you don't
actually have a /kernel.config, you would simply find yourself in
the config editor at boot, much like the original poster describes.



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From: "Donald J . Maddox" <dmaddox@conterra.com>
To: Doug White <dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu>
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On Fri, Apr 09, 1999 at 04:10:53PM -0700, Doug White wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 1999, Shawn Leas wrote:
> 
> > I'm a little new at the FBSD bootloader scheme.
> > Having said that, I cpio'ed my / over to a different
> > partition with softupdates enabled.
> > 
> > Now, I need to have a bootloader on wd0s4e, and
> > I want it to boot wd0s4e:/kernel by default.
> > 
> > Right now, I have to boot the old root, interrupt it,
> > and set currdev=disk1s4e, then boot.
> 
> There's a neat file called /boot/boot.conf you stuff this into.  See 'man
> boot' or 'man btx' for info.

Don't do that.  /boot/boot.conf is deprecated.  Use /boot/loader.rc
instead.  If it's a -current system, the mechanism has changed
considerably, and you should have /boot/loader.conf.local that
handles this type of thing.



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From: "Donald J . Maddox" <dmaddox@conterra.com>
To: Doug White <dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu>
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Sorry, Doug, but I'm not the one changing it around...  Just trying to
keep up with it all, like yourself.

On Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 11:00:50AM -0700, Doug White wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> > 
> > Don't do that.  /boot/boot.conf is deprecated.  Use /boot/loader.rc
> > instead.  If it's a -current system, the mechanism has changed
> > considerably, and you should have /boot/loader.conf.local that
> > handles this type of thing.
> 
> Stop changing the config filenames!  Even I'm getting confused, much less
> the rest of the world!

Are you really that much less confusable than the rest of the world? ;-)



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To: Kevin Weiss <kevin.weiss@mail.utexas.edu>
Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: x11amp 0.8 and standard freebsd drivers
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On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 01:21:08PM -0500, Kevin Weiss wrote:
> Ok, I'm a little confused.
> 
> Does x11amp work with the Voxware drivers?

Yes.

> If so, do I need to run Linux emulation first, and then load x11amp?

If you're using a Linux binary, yes, of course.  X11amp is also
available in a FreeBSD-native format.



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A good place to start would be:

             http://www.neosoft.com/~conrads/awepnp-freebsd.html

This is a good tutorial written by Conrad Sabatier that contains pretty
much all the info you should need to get your AWE working.

On Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:41:50PM -0500, Joseph T. McDonald wrote:
> I need help on how to get my Soundblaster AWE 64 to work under FreeBSD,
> I'm not sure what lines to put into the kernel config file...  If anyone
> out there can help me with this problem, reply to this msg, thank you..
> 
> Sincerly,
> Joseph T.
> 
> 
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 13:13:44 -0400
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Is there a way to suppress the copyright info?  This is pretty much
a dead giveaway (At least that it's *BSD), huh?   See lines 14-15 below:

$ telnet dmaddox.conterra.com
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.

dmaddox.conterra.com
Access Restricted

Today is Sun Sep 12 13:09:57 EDT 1999

login: myself
Password:
Last login: Sun Sep 12 13:07:17 from localhost
Copyright (c) 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994
        The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.

Welcome to BogoDOS!
You have mail.
$ 


On Sun, Sep 12, 1999 at 12:56:39PM -0400, Hector Colmenares wrote:
> 
> 
> 	If you dont want people to know what OS are you running 
> 	when they telnet into your box just change to this the  info in
> 	/etc/gettytab 
> 
> default:\
>    :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:im=\r\n\%h\r\nAccess Restricted\
>    r\n\r\nFor info, email admin@%h\r\nToday is %d\r\n\r\n
> 
> 
> 	;-)
>  
> cheers !!
> 
> On Sun, 12 Sep 1999, Will Andrews wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On 12-Sep-99 Ben Smithurst wrote:
> > > Jeremy L. Ramirez wrote:
> > > 
> > >> telnet  stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/libexec/telnetd    telnetd -h
> > >> 
> > >> what you are doing is adding the -h at the end of the line which prevents
> > >> a user from seeing the OS before even logging in.
> > > 
> > > An even better way is to disable telnet completely, and use ssh like you
> > > should. Note that people can still use nmap or something to guess at
> > > your OS.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Ben Smithurst            | PGP: 0x99392F7D
> > > ben@scientia.demon.co.uk |   key available from keyservers and
> > >                          |   ben+pgp@scientia.demon.co.uk
> > > 
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You can use /usr/sbin/pppctl for this purpose...

On Sun, Sep 26, 1999 at 10:05:04PM +0100, Richard Morte wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When using ppp in -auto mode the socket receives the request (for
> example from Netscape) and dials out OK.
> 
> When closing Netscape the connection to the ISP remains open until the
> timeout interval is reached. Has anyone discovered an automatic way to
> force a disconnection as soon as an application closes without having to
> issue command line prompts to ppp? I don't wan't to reduce the timeout
> below the current 5 minutes otherwise I get disconnected in the middle
> of browsing.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Richard Morte
> 
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Hi!

1) How to i turn off ATA HDD on a MB which has power management? Is there
a utility or any sample C code?

2) Is there a utility to control FM card (packard bell one)?

3) How to i access port in C in FreeBSD (programmer's question)

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Dear Sirs.
I just received ncarg-4.2.2 as sourcecode and ncarg-4.2.1 as Linux tarball.
We want to use NCAR Graphics libraries for some Fortran projects and Fortran
on FreeBSd ist Portland group (PGI) Fortran 90 for Linux, running sucessful
under Linux emulation.

Because these libraries will be used from PGI Fortran I'm a little bit 
confused whether it is a good task to compile sources under FreeBSD.
On the other hand, I run into minor trouble when trying to install the 
Linux distribution, because the INSTALL routine messed up some things,
so I simply untared the TAR files into the destination and hope now
that all the stuff finds its way. Some minor modifications to some
specific shell scripts were made already.

So, primary question is: installing Linux libraries being used by a
Fotran compiler used by Linux emulation seems more reasonable than
compiling sources under FreeBSD and then using them by an Linux Fortran
compiler. Is this right? Has anybody installed and used successfully
NCARG libraries?

Thanks in advance, 

O. Hartmann

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A few years ago we needed to recover some data from a disk which had been
reformated.  This cost us about $500 to fix since we sent the disk away to
one of those labs which can read the last n layers of magnetism on the disk
or something along those lines, and recover data.

Now something similar has happened at home.  The old computer I used as a
server for our little network (an NT job) finally packed up.  The old
machine had no tape drive so - naturally - no tape backups.  This I have
remedied in the new machine.  Now I have tried to load the SCSI disk in
another old computer also running NT, which suggested, when it came in
contact with the old disk that there was something corrupt about it, and it
created a new root directory structure based on what it thought it had
found.  I would really like to get back as much as possible of my old disk
which now sits in a FreeBSD (4.1) machine but I don't have $500 to spend on
it.  FreeBSD sees the new root directory structure.

I am wondering whether there is any software in the public domain - or
relatively cheap shareware - which I can use for the purpose of trying to
recover the information on this disk.  I don't believe the guys who did the
recovery job at work opened the disk itself, so this had to be a software
solution.

mvh/regards

James

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>A few years ago we needed to recover some data from a =
disk which had been reformated.&nbsp; This cost us about $500 to fix =
since we sent the disk away to one of those labs which can read the =
last n layers of magnetism on the disk or something along those lines, =
and recover data.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Now something similar has happened at home.&nbsp; The =
old computer I used as a server for our little network (an NT job) =
finally packed up.&nbsp; The old machine had no tape drive so - =
naturally - no tape backups.&nbsp; This I have remedied in the new =
machine.&nbsp; Now I have tried to load the SCSI disk in another old =
computer also running NT, which suggested, when it came in contact with =
the old disk that there was something corrupt about it, and it created =
a new root directory structure based on what it thought it had =
found.&nbsp; I would really like to get back as much as possible of my =
old disk which now sits in a FreeBSD (4.1) machine but I don't have =
$500 to spend on it.&nbsp; FreeBSD sees the new root directory =
structure.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am wondering whether there is any software in the =
public domain - or relatively cheap shareware - which I can use for the =
purpose of trying to recover the information on this disk.&nbsp; I =
don't believe the guys who did the recovery job at work opened the disk =
itself, so this had to be a software solution.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>mvh/regards</FONT>
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It looks like you need to make sure that bpf is compiled into your
kernel.  If you have compiled, say 4 buffers, then go to /dev and
MAKEDEV bpf3, this will make bpf0..bpf3.  You need to have Berkeley
Packet Filters compiled into your kernel for this stuff to work.  And
you need the corresponding devices in /dev.

If you have any questions about adding bpf into your kernel, search
the freebsd.org list archives for copious instructions.  Or read the
manual.

Gene

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jim Freeze
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 6:58 AM
> To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu
> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need help with natd and connecting Windows to LAN
>
>
> I tried
>  tcpdump -eni al0
> but got an error.
>
>
> root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 24 -> tcpdump -eni al0
> tcpdump: /dev/bpf1: No such file or directory
>
> Could this be related to the problem?
>
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:06:51AM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > > I am running FBSD3.4R as a gateway/router with a Win98
> box connected on
> > > a local LAN. The gateway machine can see the internet and
> the Win98 box,
> > > but the Win98 box cannot ping the gateway nor see beyond it.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > The configs look OK. But...
> >
> > > root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ifconfig -a
> > > vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > >         inet 24.9.218.175 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast
> 24.9.218.255
> > >         ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
> > > al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > >         inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast
> 192.168.1.255
> > >         ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > This does not look at all right.
> >
> > >         media: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)
> > >         supported media: autoselect 100baseTX
> <full-duplex> 100baseTX
> > > <half-duplex> 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex>
> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP
> > > <half-duplex>
> > > lp0: flags=8810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > > tun0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > > sl0: flags=c010<POINTOPOINT,LINK2,MULTICAST> mtu 552
> > > ppp0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > > lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
> > >         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> >
> > If you do a 'tcpdump -eni al0' while you try both the ping from
the
> > gateway to the Win98 box and the other way, what do you see?
> > --
> > Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu
> >
> >
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> ---------------------------
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> No. More like a webslave.
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Hi, I'm using 3.5-stable and i coundn't compile the mysql323-server port:
#cd /usr/ports/databases/mysql323-server
#make
...compile..compile
#make install
...compile..compile
slave.o(.text+0x16f3): undefined reference to
`I_List_iterator<i_string_pair>::operator++(int)

I had already installed:
34upgrade-2000.02.02 A convenience package to upgrade your 3.3 or 3.4 system to 3
34upgrade-2000.08.25 A convenience package to upgrade your 3.3 or 3.4 system to 3

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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Chris Wasser <cwasser@v-wave.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:22:23 -0700

>On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:23:54AM -0500, Erik Rothwell wrote:
>> You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why
>> not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really
>> effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so
>> childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating
>> system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and
>> for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by
>> the Windows congolomorate.
>> Learn about something before you install it, bro. 
>
>To those who took the time to read this reply in this rather
>unseemingly thread, my gratitude for you taking the time to
>read my perhaps controversial opinions on it instead of
>skipping over it based on header :)

lol ;-)

>Unfortunately, he has a point which seems to be escaping almost
>everyone who has replied to this thread:
>
>Ever since the adaptation of Microsoft Windows as the "standard"
>for the "home user", the very nature in the design of such
>software has taken the "oldschool" hackers (I mean MSDOS
>or PCDOS, OS/9, PC-MOS386, etc) and turned him/her into the
>lowest common denominator for those who don't have the time
>nor the inclination to learn.
>
>All in the name of "convienience" and "ease of use".
>
>Some of my clients can't even navigate their way around Windows
>itself because they simply don't have the aptitude to assimilate
>the information in a coherent manner (whether it be some deep
>seated fear of computers -- as odd as that sounds, I still meet
>some people who are afraid of computers) and thus OS's such
>as FreeBSD seem completely alien to them (afterall, there's
>no place to click to install this or that)
>
>The fault doesn't lie with the user, in this case, a very
>distraught and upset person who for all we know, care barely
>find the "Start" button. I'll bet he barely understands the
>"dos prompt" in Windows much less then how to compile a kernel.
>
>I don't mean this to add to the already numerous insults he's
>received, I emphasize it to illustrate that not everyone out
>there in computer-land is from the days when some of us used
>Radiation King monitors and machines that weren't even measured
>in MHz.
>
>The true culprit is monolithic corporations such as Microsoft
>who in what I'm sure was originally once a noble idea to make
>computers easier to use, has sacrificed the control some of us
>DEMAND from our operating systems to fit into a world costantly
>in a hurry to get somewhere and shit-canned everyone into the
>same mould and thus produces users who end up getting
>frustrated because they only think on the one wavelength in
>which they were "educated" into.
>
>The end result is we who understand and can sit on this side
>of the fence look down on those on the other side of the fence
>who simply don't know any better. Instead of retorting back
>with insults, perhaps it would have been a better avenue to
>suggest help in a more helpful manner.
>
>I realize to some of you, you might be thinking, "we don't
>need his kind anyways". It's unlikely to me that any of us
>were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went
>about learning and asking questions in a much more
>acceptable manner.
>
>The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD
>(anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition
>to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals
>here people, yes?
>
></ramble>
>
>My 2 cents...
>Chris Wasser

Some good food for thought! You make several good points throughout, and I agree with much of it.

On a side note:

I'm well aquainted with the [flame]War of the OSes, being an "ex"-Macintosh user, I'd get them all the time from MSDOS/Windows users who felt they owned the world with their "superior OS." 

So, perhaps participating in this thread is a bit old school coming from that perspective ;-) yanno, a bit o' nostalgia ;-)

At any rate, it's not a stupid question, that he asked. I would not have known the answer for instance, if I had freshly installed BSD and had never previously used any flavour of Unix. What irked me was the fact that he was rude, insulting, and hostile. Perhaps responding rudely, with insults and hostility was a bit tacky, nonetheless the deed is done ;-)

Erik.


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I am writng this from an NT box - please no flames - I love FreeBSD and
unix in general precisely because it can be set-up to just about what
ever I want - But the central problem has been and continues to be the
need to get certain kinds of work done, so-called office apps etc. The
sad truth is that most people seem unwilling to learn even these
"office-apps" let alone the arcana of Windows (which IMHO is vastly more
difficult precisely because so much is hidden) or "gasssppp" unix (in
any form). The bottom line for me is so what? I need to get work done
and really don't care which system I use as long as the WORK GETS DONE.
If some folks aren't, can't or won't learn (or read or put up with the
occasional rudeness of some of these lists) oh well. If MS is some kind
of de facto standard then who do we look to for that fiasco (since it is
in the last analysis our money we give to MS)?????
Please no flames as this is merely my 2 cents.  Jeff Phillips

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To: Chris Wasser
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Chris Wasser <cwasser@v-wave.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 02:22:23 -0700

>On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:23:54AM -0500, Erik Rothwell wrote:
>> You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why
>> not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really
>> effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so
>> childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating
>> system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and
>> for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by
>> the Windows congolomorate.
>> Learn about something before you install it, bro.
>
>To those who took the time to read this reply in this rather
>unseemingly thread, my gratitude for you taking the time to
>read my perhaps controversial opinions on it instead of
>skipping over it based on header :)

lol ;-)

>Unfortunately, he has a point which seems to be escaping almost
>everyone who has replied to this thread:
>
>Ever since the adaptation of Microsoft Windows as the "standard"
>for the "home user", the very nature in the design of such
>software has taken the "oldschool" hackers (I mean MSDOS
>or PCDOS, OS/9, PC-MOS386, etc) and turned him/her into the
>lowest common denominator for those who don't have the time
>nor the inclination to learn.
>
>All in the name of "convienience" and "ease of use".
>
>Some of my clients can't even navigate their way around Windows
>itself because they simply don't have the aptitude to assimilate
>the information in a coherent manner (whether it be some deep
>seated fear of computers -- as odd as that sounds, I still meet
>some people who are afraid of computers) and thus OS's such
>as FreeBSD seem completely alien to them (afterall, there's
>no place to click to install this or that)
>
>The fault doesn't lie with the user, in this case, a very
>distraught and upset person who for all we know, care barely
>find the "Start" button. I'll bet he barely understands the
>"dos prompt" in Windows much less then how to compile a kernel.
>
>I don't mean this to add to the already numerous insults he's
>received, I emphasize it to illustrate that not everyone out
>there in computer-land is from the days when some of us used
>Radiation King monitors and machines that weren't even measured
>in MHz.
>
>The true culprit is monolithic corporations such as Microsoft
>who in what I'm sure was originally once a noble idea to make
>computers easier to use, has sacrificed the control some of us
>DEMAND from our operating systems to fit into a world costantly
>in a hurry to get somewhere and shit-canned everyone into the
>same mould and thus produces users who end up getting
>frustrated because they only think on the one wavelength in
>which they were "educated" into.
>
>The end result is we who understand and can sit on this side
>of the fence look down on those on the other side of the fence
>who simply don't know any better. Instead of retorting back
>with insults, perhaps it would have been a better avenue to
>suggest help in a more helpful manner.
>
>I realize to some of you, you might be thinking, "we don't
>need his kind anyways". It's unlikely to me that any of us
>were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went
>about learning and asking questions in a much more
>acceptable manner.
>
>The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD
>(anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition
>to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals
>here people, yes?
>
></ramble>
>
>My 2 cents...
>Chris Wasser

Some good food for thought! You make several good points throughout, and
I agree with much of it.

On a side note:

I'm well aquainted with the [flame]War of the OSes, being an
"ex"-Macintosh user, I'd get them all the time from MSDOS/Windows users
who felt they owned the world with their "superior OS."

So, perhaps participating in this thread is a bit old school coming from
that perspective ;-) yanno, a bit o' nostalgia ;-)

At any rate, it's not a stupid question, that he asked. I would not have
known the answer for instance, if I had freshly installed BSD and had
never previously used any flavour of Unix. What irked me was the fact
that he was rude, insulting, and hostile. Perhaps responding rudely,
with insults and hostility was a bit tacky, nonetheless the deed is done
;-)

Erik.


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Hi,

Can anyone recommend any good laptops that will work with freeBSD?? (Sound,
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Price is not an issue here people :)

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It is not a big question, rather it is a stupid one I guess!!
I have a problem with my Free.BSD release 3.2, I forgot my root
password, so I can't access to my Freebsd,,, Nowadays I would
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Jamie Heckford wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Can anyone recommend any good laptops that will work with freeBSD?? (Sound,
> Video - the whole lot)
> 
> Price is not an issue here people :)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  -- 
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> Chief Network Engineer
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Steve wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the quick response.  Output is:
> 
> MyFreeBSD# df -i
> Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity iused   ifree  %iused
> Mounted on
> /dev/ad0s1a    248047   178899    49305    78%   62462       0   100%   /
> /dev/ad0s1e   7627012  2396559  4620293    34%  158662 1753912     8%
> /usr
> procfs              4        4        0   100%      44     488     8%
> /proc
> 
> Is the procedures outlined at http://www.freebsddiary.org/inodes.html the
> correct way to fix this problem?  Also, what would cause this and is there
> a quick fix to prevent it from happening again?

I've never had it happen but I think Dan's write up is correct for his
situation. My system's are typically setup like

Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity iused   ifree 
%iused  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s2a     99183    49143    42106    54%    2510   22576   
10%   /
/dev/ad0s2f   1488607    16996  1352523     1%    1319  371671    
0%   /tmp
/dev/ad0s2g  10517574  5262140  4414029    54%  292511 2342239   
11%   /usr
/dev/ad0s2e    496111    14604   441819     3%    1588  123338    
1%   /var
procfs              4        4        0   100%      45     487    
8%   /proc

My big system also has sufficient inodes. It looks like

Filesystem  1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity iused   ifree 
%iused  Mounted on
/dev/ad0s1a     99183    37998    53251    42%    2071   23015    
8%   /
/dev/ad3s1f    992239      524   912336     0%     205  249649    
0%   /tmp
/dev/ad0s1e  11934818  3973876  7006157    36%  264733 2719201    
9%   /usr
/dev/da0s1e   4102037   511023  3262852    14%   46190  985488    
4%   /usr1
/dev/ad1s1e   2999774  1259377  1500416    46%    5057  724541    
1%   /usr3
/dev/ad3s1e    496111    26861   429562     6%    1387  123539    
1%   /var
/dev/ad3s1g  11442450  5259025  5268029    50%  144888 2720006    
5%   /usr2
procfs              4        4        0   100%      50     482    
9%   /proc

I didn't do anything special when I created them. These are the
defaults from when I created the filesystems using sysinstall. The way
the usage is going, I think I'm going to run out of HD before I run
out of inodes.

You can see that I don't have a lot of small files on /. I'm guessing
here but it looks to me like you have a lot of files in /root.
Otherwise you would have a usage like mine. You need to mv them to
something like /usr/root/dir and then link it to /root/dir. 

The space allocated to /tmp, and /var is the same on all systems. What
ever is left is allocated to /usr. I would think that you could move
what is causing you to run out of inodes on to /usr as a link. To
recreate a file system such as /, you have to reinstall. I have
rearranged things by shutting down to single user mode (shutdown now)
and mv'ed things /var to a different HD. Create the link and exit to
multi-user mode. You have to check link permissions.

Kent

> 
> On Nov 26, Kent Stewart enlightened us with the following:
> 
> >
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > I have successfully cvsup'd to 4.2-STABLE.  However, in trying to complete
> > > the update in  /dev and /stand, I get the following errors:
> > >
> > > For /dev:
> > >    MyFreeBSD# ./MAKEDEV all
> > >
> > >    /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
> > >    mknod: klog: No space left on device
> > >    /sbin/mknod klog
> > >
> > > ...(repeated many times)...
> > >
> > > For /stand:
> > >    /: create/symlink failed, no inodes free
> > >    install: /stand/sysinstall: No space left on device
> > >    *** Error code 71
> > >
> > > Diskspace looks as follows:
> > >    MyFreeBSD# df -h
> > >    Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> > >    /dev/ad0s1a   242M   175M    48M    78%    /
> > >    /dev/ad0s1e   7.3G   2.3G   4.4G    34%    /usr
> > >    procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
> > >
> > > Any ideas, suggestions, links, etc. about what is going on would be
> > > greatly appreciated.  (BTW...I was using the Make World example found at
> > > www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd which has worked great as a general
> > > guideline up until now.)
> >
> > It sounds like you have run out of inodes on the file system. You can
> > see what is being used by typing "df -i".
> >
> > Kent
> >
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
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> >
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> >

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, ouaaba khalid wrote:

> It is not a big question, rather it is a stupid one I guess!!
> I have a problem with my Free.BSD release 3.2, I forgot my root
> password, so I can't access to my Freebsd,,, Nowadays I would
> like to uninstall it and reinstall it from the beginning, 
> How could you advice me?

You dont have to reinstall it, check:
www.freebsd.org/FAQ/admin.html#FORGOT-ROOT-PW
Also, you can upgrade your current system to a new version (search for
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Otter wrote:
> 
> Chuck,
> Go take a read into /usr/src/UPDATING. I gave up on your way of
> upgrading as it only works SOME of the time. When I do it the new way,
> it seems to work ALL of the time. Try doing:
> cvsup your source (using tag=RELENG_4 will get you 4.2-STABLE source)
> cd /usr/src
> make buildworld
> make buildkernel KERNEL=GENERIC (or whatever config you're using)
> make installkernel KERNEL=GENERIC (whatever kernel config file you're
> using above)
> make installworld
> mergemaster (make sure you back up your /etc dir first, in case you're
> not comfortable with mergemaster changes)
> reboot
> uname -r should yield 4.2-STABLE
> Now go crack open a cold one. It isn't Monday yet.

This one isn't going to go away doing this. It was caused by O'Brien
having to fix that way crt... is handled. It doesn't bite everyone.

Your /usr/src/gnu/lib/csu

ruby# ll
total 2
-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  1963 Oct 30 17:46 Makefile

Needs to only contain the makefile. People have then done some "make
cleandir"'s and then a make and make install. I only had to do the
make and make install when I encountered it. Then redo the buildworld.

Kent

> -Otter
> 
> }-----Original Message-----
> }From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> }[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of chuck sumner
> }Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 5:12 AM
> }To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> }Subject: make buildworld from 4.1.1-STABLE to 4.2-STABLE
> }fails miserably
> }
> }
> }hi all
> }bad news for me, eh?
> }
> }heres what happened. i cvsuped last night to RELENG_4
> }i did a make buildworld and that went fine
> }then i did the make installworld and it quit at some point
> }not to long
> }after it started. unfortunately, i dont have the specific error.
> }
> }so then i went back and tried to do a fresh make buildworld.
> }now i get
> }this:
> }
> }cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile;  make obj;  make depend;  make
> }all;  make install
> }/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile created for
> }/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile
> }rm -f .depend
> }mkdep -f .depend -a    -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include
> }/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
> }cd /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile; make _EXTRADEPEND
> }echo strfile: /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib/libc.a  >> .depend
> }cc -O -pipe -Wall   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -c
> }/usr/src/games/fortune/strfile/strfile.c
> }cc -O -pipe -Wall   -I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include  -o strfile
> }strfile.o
> }/usr/lib/crtbegin.o: In function `_init':
> }/usr/lib/crtbegin.o(.init+0x0): multiple definition of `_init'
> }/usr/lib/crti.o(.init+0x0): first defined here
> }/usr/lib/crtbegin.o: In function `_fini':
> }/usr/lib/crtbegin.o(.fini+0x0): multiple definition of `_fini'
> }/usr/lib/crti.o(.fini+0x0): first defined here
> }*** Error code 1
> }
> }Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/strfile.
> }*** Error code 1
> }
> }and a make most produces:
> }
> }make: don't know how to make
> }/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys/param.h. Stop
> }
> }and /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/sys doesn't exist
> }
> }any clues to whats happened here?
> }
> }please cc me on any replies, as i dont folow the list these days
> }
> }chuck
> }
> }
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	Norton Disk Doctor Version 2 (or maybe 8) use to be fairly good at
getting stuff back. I've never found anything since that did what it
could. There is some high level Government stuff that I once played with
though that could do that, though you had to pay about $10k for the
licence, plus be involved with law enforcement somehow... :)

			Rick


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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, James Wilde wrote:

> A few years ago we needed to recover some data from a disk which had been
> reformated.  This cost us about $500 to fix since we sent the disk away to
> one of those labs which can read the last n layers of magnetism on the disk
> or something along those lines, and recover data.
> 
> Now something similar has happened at home.  The old computer I used as a
> server for our little network (an NT job) finally packed up.  The old
> machine had no tape drive so - naturally - no tape backups.  This I have
> remedied in the new machine.  Now I have tried to load the SCSI disk in
> another old computer also running NT, which suggested, when it came in
> contact with the old disk that there was something corrupt about it, and it
> created a new root directory structure based on what it thought it had
> found.  I would really like to get back as much as possible of my old disk
> which now sits in a FreeBSD (4.1) machine but I don't have $500 to spend on
> it.  FreeBSD sees the new root directory structure.
> 
> I am wondering whether there is any software in the public domain - or
> relatively cheap shareware - which I can use for the purpose of trying to
> recover the information on this disk.  I don't believe the guys who did the
> recovery job at work opened the disk itself, so this had to be a software
> solution.
> 
> mvh/regards
> 
> James
> 



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I have an old HP T-1000 internal tape drive I want to install in a spare
FreeBSD server.  This device uses the floppy controller.  I am running
4.2-STABLE.  When I inspected the manual for configuring QIC-40/80 drives, I
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controller  fdc0  at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 flags 0x1 vector
fdintr

Where as the config file refers to it using the "device" syntax:

device          fdc0    at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2

I guess it should be OK to use the manual's line, but substitute "device"
for "controller"?  

device fdc0    at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 flags 0x1 vector fdintr

Is this correct?

Many Thanks,

                Gene Harris
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Has anyone had any luck playing AVIs encoded with the DivX ;-) codec?

I installed the avi-file port, and it does okay with small AVIs, but it
just hangs there with the really big (500-600MB) ones.

The problem output reads:

--

Set_LDT
TSC Available
MMX Available
Initializing registry
202ee59a 00000000 Chunk 'LIST', length 0000227e
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'avih', length 00000038
Found main header, size 56
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'LIST', length 00001094
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'LIST', length 0000108a
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'LIST', length 00000104
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'JUNK', length 00000566
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'LIST', length 200a3782
Found MOVI chunk. Position 280c
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk '?wV', length 00000d9c
202ee59e 00000000 Chunk 'ú	', length 63643030
Invalid AVI file
Initializing cache
Cache: Adding stream 0, table 80976F0 ( 0 entries )
Cache: Adding stream 1, table 80978A0 ( 0 entries )
Cache:   Creating cache for file descriptor 10
Successfully opened
Successfully initialized stream 0
Chunk table size 65536, format size 40
Successfully initialized stream 1
Chunk table size 0, format size 30
Successfully opened /usr/local/mp3-files/MOVIES (DivX)/Test [DivX].avi.
1 video streams, 1 audio streams
Length 99737
File /usr/local/mp3-files/MOVIES (DivX)/Test [DivX].avi successfully
opened
2 streams
Audio in MPEG Layer-3 format
src [wFormatTag=85, nChannels=2, nSamplesPerSec=44100,
nAvgBytesPerSec=15963, nBlockAlign=1, wBitsPerSample=16, cbSize=12]
dst [wFormatTag=1, nChannels=2, nSamplesPerSec=44100,
nAvgBytesPerSec=176400, nBlockAlign=4, wBitsPerSample=16, cbSize=0]
AviReadStreamA::SeekToTime

--

At which point I usually have to suspend and kill it, it sucks like a
bunch of CPU time, though, but it really doesn't do anything no matter
how much time I leave it.

System info:

FreeBSD brx.no-ip.com 4.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Thu Nov 23
15:13:58 EST 2000    
bacchusrx@brx.no-ip.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/SANDOZ-BRx  i386

It's an AMD Duron 700, 128MB RAM, so it oughtta be able to hack the
codec, so I don't think it's the machine per se.

Has anyone had more positive experiences or had this problem and
corrected it?

Are there any alternatives to avifile?

BRx.


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> If you do a 'tcpdump -eni al0' while you try both the ping from the
> gateway to the Win98 box and the other way, what do you see?

Here is what I get when pinging from W98(192.168.1.2) to
FreeBSD(192.168.1.1) - W98 ping reports "Request timed out" as before:

root@eeyore1 ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze 1 -> tcpdump -eni al0
tcpdump: listening on al0
13:15:16.269835 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:15:16.269892 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
13:15:20.553363 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:15:20.553390 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
13:15:25.052420 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:15:25.052442 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
13:15:29.551832 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:15:29.551857 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 

And the other way around
jfreeze@eeyore1 ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze 1 -> ping rabbit
PING rabbit (192.168.1.2): 56 data bytes
ping: sendto: Permission denied
ping: sendto: Permission denied
ping: sendto: Permission denied


Oops, the firewall is up. Let me turn it to simple and ping from FBSD to
W98.

root@eeyore1 ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze 2 -> tcpdump -eni al0
tcpdump: listening on al0
13:21:21.742700 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:22.749242 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:23.759253 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:24.769284 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:25.779287 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:26.789296 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:27.799311 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:28.809331 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
13:21:29.819347 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0800 98: 192.168.1.1 >
192.168.1.2: icmp: echo request
...and on and on

Now ping from the pc again with the "open" firewall setting:

root@eeyore1 ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze 3 -> tcpdump -eni al0
tcpdump: listening on al0
13:22:16.269514 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:22:16.269546 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
13:22:20.488485 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:22:20.488514 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
13:22:24.987795 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:22:24.987828 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
13:22:29.486987 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
13:22:29.487017 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff  

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:06:51AM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > I am running FBSD3.4R as a gateway/router with a Win98 box connected on
> > a local LAN. The gateway machine can see the internet and the Win98 box,
> > but the Win98 box cannot ping the gateway nor see beyond it.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> The configs look OK. But...
> 
> > root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ifconfig -a
> > vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> >         inet 24.9.218.175 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.9.218.255
> >         ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
> > al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> >         inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
> >         ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> This does not look at all right.
> 
> >         media: autoselect (100baseTX <full-duplex>)
> >         supported media: autoselect 100baseTX <full-duplex> 100baseTX
> > <half-duplex> 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP
> > <half-duplex>
> > lp0: flags=8810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > tun0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > sl0: flags=c010<POINTOPOINT,LINK2,MULTICAST> mtu 552
> > ppp0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
> >         inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
> 
> -- 
> Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu
> 
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On 26 Nov 2000, Andrey Hardy wrote:

> I was wondering if FreeBSD supports Blowfish encryption for
> password files and the like.  I've been through your site, and
> haven't found any reference to it.

This will end up in -CURRENT sometime.  If you can't wait, you can
download the patch set:

  http://www.frenchfries.net/paul/freebsd/blowfish.passwd.patch.gz

It's patched against -CURRENT from a about month ago, but might also
patch cleanly against -STABLE.

-Paul.



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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:16:47PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> 
> > If you do a 'tcpdump -eni al0' while you try both the ping from the
> > gateway to the Win98 box and the other way, what do you see?
> 
> Here is what I get when pinging from W98(192.168.1.2) to
> FreeBSD(192.168.1.1) - W98 ping reports "Request timed out" as before:
> 
> root@eeyore1 ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze 1 -> tcpdump -eni al0
> tcpdump: listening on al0
> 13:15:16.269835 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> 13:15:16.269892 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 13:15:20.553363 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> 13:15:20.553390 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 13:15:25.052420 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> 13:15:25.052442 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 13:15:29.551832 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> 13:15:29.551857 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 

There is something pretty funky going on here. The first thing, and I
think it is the cause of the problem, is what I pointed out in the
previous mail. It looks like your al0 NIC seems to believe that its
MAC address is ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, the broadcast address. And it looks
like the Win98 machine is not buying that. Now, the Win98
machine... what kind of card does it have? I can't seem to find a
manufacturer who has the 19:02:16 prefix. Something weird is going on.

All of this is a problem at the data layer and has nothing to do with
your IP settings, NAT, etc.

> On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:06:51AM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:

[snip]

> > The configs look OK. But...
> > 
> > > root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ifconfig -a
> > > vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > >         inet 24.9.218.175 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.9.218.255
> > >         ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
> > > al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > >         inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
> > >         ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> >                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > This does not look at all right.
-- 
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Hi Crist:

My gateway inside nic is a LinkSys network card.
The pc nic is a Netgear FA311 card.

What other info do you need?

Jim


On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:16:47PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > 
> > > If you do a 'tcpdump -eni al0' while you try both the ping from the
> > > gateway to the Win98 box and the other way, what do you see?
> > 
> > Here is what I get when pinging from W98(192.168.1.2) to
> > FreeBSD(192.168.1.1) - W98 ping reports "Request timed out" as before:
> > 
> > root@eeyore1 ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze 1 -> tcpdump -eni al0
> > tcpdump: listening on al0
> > 13:15:16.269835 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> > 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> > 13:15:16.269892 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> > 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > 13:15:20.553363 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> > 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> > 13:15:20.553390 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> > 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > 13:15:25.052420 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> > 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> > 13:15:25.052442 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> > 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > 13:15:29.551832 19:2:16:8:1:2 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
> > 192.168.1.1 tell 192.168.1.2
> > 13:15:29.551857 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 19:2:16:8:1:2 0806 60: arp reply
> > 192.168.1.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 
> 
> There is something pretty funky going on here. The first thing, and I
> think it is the cause of the problem, is what I pointed out in the
> previous mail. It looks like your al0 NIC seems to believe that its
> MAC address is ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, the broadcast address. And it looks
> like the Win98 machine is not buying that. Now, the Win98
> machine... what kind of card does it have? I can't seem to find a
> manufacturer who has the 19:02:16 prefix. Something weird is going on.
> 
> All of this is a problem at the data layer and has nothing to do with
> your IP settings, NAT, etc.
> 
> > On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:06:51AM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > > The configs look OK. But...
> > > 
> > > > root@eeyore1 ('tty') ~ 17 -> ifconfig -a
> > > > vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > > >         inet 24.9.218.175 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 24.9.218.255
> > > >         ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
> > > > al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> > > >         inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
> > > >         ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > >                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > This does not look at all right.
> -- 
> Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu
> 


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> Anybody could have asked the very same question in a much more acceptable 
> manner...especially from the start.

Oh, come on - it was clearly a troll. It worked, to - I wasted time
reading the replies, and making this one :-(.

> I have to admit, that the ONE thing 
> that drives me NUTTY are those who when they first get asked a question 
> their first response is : RTFM!!

That depends on how accurate a pointer they provide you to the FM in
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:58:20PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> Hi Crist:
> 
> My gateway inside nic is a LinkSys network card.
> The pc nic is a Netgear FA311 card.
> 
> What other info do you need?

If you go to the WinBox, what does it say for, 'arp -a'?

What does your dmesg(8) output for your NIC look like?

I must say that I have never seen anything like this before. As I tell
the guys I work with (the network group), at the physical layer if the
problem is more invloved than making sure that the wires go to the
right places and straight-through versus cross-over, I call them. If
there is a data layer issue, I'll handle getting the UNIX-boxes to do
whatever they need to[0], but as for the switches, VLANs, etc., I call
them.

[0] It is fun to play with MACs on Suns. Actually what is fun is the
absolute befuddled expression PC-centric types get when you explain to
them that all of the interfaces on a Sun have the same MAC address in
their default configuration. I wish some of the people who post to
this list asking why they get funny messages when they plug multiple
NICs from one machine into a hub or switch would try that with a
Sun. You can really have fun.
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O. Hartmann <ohartman@ipamzlx.physik.uni-mainz.de> types:
> Dear Sirs.
> So, primary question is: installing Linux libraries being used by a
> Fotran compiler used by Linux emulation seems more reasonable than
> compiling sources under FreeBSD and then using them by an Linux Fortran
> compiler. Is this right? Has anybody installed and used successfully
> NCARG libraries?

Yes, I have installed used them successfully. But we're using g77
native, not a commercial product running under Linux emulation.

I'd say that if you can't get the libraries to compile using the
Fortran compiler you're going to be using for development, then you
should reevaluate what you're doing. However, I was never able to find
sources for the NCSA_HDF part of the package, so I had to use FreeBSD
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Jamie,
I'm not sure what you need in a laptop. I just picked up a Toshiba
330CDS (266MHz) that needs some RAM added to make it run a bit
smoother, but for the money, I think it's great! 32mb ram onboard (but
can add up to 128mb for a total of 160mb), floppy, cd, 4gb hd, 2mb
video w/ 800x600 res, 10/100 pcmcia network card (plus a free slot for
me to buy a modem card later!), opl-3ax audio (supported under pcm).
-Otter
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On 25 Nov 00 at 23:08, Jim Durham wrote:

>Duke Normandin wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> I realize that my scenario is not the *usual* way! However, I use a free
>> ISP that insists in having users run his proprietary win95-only software.
>> His dialer does not even show up in $MS DUN window. So Internet
>> connections have to happen from the win95 side -- as far as I can tell. It
>> would be great if I could run Lynx from the FBSD box and trigger a
>> connection in the win95 box - but I've been told that win95 can't do that
>> ( I believe that the correct terminology is that it cannot "route").
>> 
>Well, that's a bummer... but OK, I understand...
>> 
>> >What does the ep0 interface connect to?
>> 
>> It connects to my win95 NIC via a x-over cable. As of 11:57:35 PM last
>> night, I am now able to successfully ping from both ends.
>
>That is a good sign... Now I'm getting the picture. I thought you
>were doing "lap link".
>
>> 
>> ep0: flags=8843<UP.BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>>         inet 10.0.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.0.0.255
>>         ether 00:60:97:0c:c4:5e
>> tun0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>>          inet 10.0.0.1 --> 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffff00
>> 
>
>So, does "ps ax" shows an instance of PPP running that is being started
>by some means that you don't know, if I get the picture?

Exactly....

>Did you look for a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d ?  . Any script in
>there is run at boot time.

>The 10.0.0.1 / 10.0.0.2 address pair are probably being assigned in
>/etc/ppp/ppp.conf. It just sounds like something is starting up
>ppp. If you don't have it started in /etc/rc.conf, then it's gotta
>be in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. 

I never did! but I will.... Other that "un-hooking" ppp from IP addresses 
and having it use tun0 only, I'm in "high-cotton", cuz once I kill the ppp 
PID, I can now telnet/ftp from my win95 box to the FBSD one. ;))

There should be a way to set thingd up on the FBSD side so that if I want 
to dial out to your system e.g. (on which you have given me a temp. shell 
account) I can do so; AND have Samba do it's thing across my LAN with no 
interference from ppp/tun0. Am I correct in assuming this possibility?

>The only other possibility I can think of is that someone modified
>/etc/defaults/rc.conf so that it enables it by default. You might
>look at that file.

I checked that as well....no joy.

{snip}

>I don't know if it would help you, but there is some sort of gatewaying
>available in Win98. One of my clients that I built a server for used it
>to connect his office computers to the internet. He must not have been
>all that thrilled with it, because he bought a server from me, but I
>guess it worked. Maybe it would somehow work with the stuff your ISP has 
>you running.

I'll be searching the 'net for a solution. Thanks!

-duke
Calgary,Alberta, Canada


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On 25 Nov 00 at 17:57, Chris Fedde wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 15:47:34 mst7mst  "Duke Normandin" wrote:
> +------------------
> | I realize that my scenario is not the *usual* way! However, I use a free 
> | ISP that insists in having users run his proprietary win95-only software. 
> | His dialer does not even show up in $MS DUN window. So Internet 
> | connections have to happen from the win95 side -- as far as I can tell. It 
> | would be great if I could run Lynx from the FBSD box and trigger a 
> | connection in the win95 box - but I've been told that win95 can't do that 
> | ( I believe that the correct terminology is that it cannot "route").
> +------------------
>
>There is routing software that runs on windows 95.  And you are
>going to need that if you want to forward data through the windows
>box.  But it is pretty unlikely that any routing software will work
>given that your "ISP insists in having users run his proprietary
>win95-only software."  Most of this stuff depends on things following the
>normal conventions.

I can live without win95 routing capabilities. If I can get rid of the 
ppp/tun0 problems on the BSD side I'll be satisfied until Samba arouses my 
curiosity.

>If I were you I'd be looking for a different ISP.

If i was in a position to do so, I would -- all on my own even ;)

-duke
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On 24 Nov 00 at 21:13, Rick Hamell wrote:

>
>> > I realize that my scenario is not the *usual* way! However, I use a free
>> > ISP that insists in having users run his proprietary win95-only software.
>> > His dialer does not even show up in $MS DUN window. So Internet
>> > connections have to happen from the win95 side -- as far as I can tell. It
>> > would be great if I could run Lynx from the FBSD box and trigger a
>> > connection in the win95 box - but I've been told that win95 can't do that
>> > ( I believe that the correct terminology is that it cannot "route").
>> > 
>> Well, that's a bummer... but OK, I understand...
>
>    There is some third party software that loads on to Win95 that
>does this. Unluckily I do not remeber any names, though Mercury 32 comes
>to mind, I remeber it being a bit flakey though.
>
>                        Rick

So I understand.... I'll be searching! Thanks!

-duke
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:55:17 -0600 (CST)  Mike Meyer wrote:
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 | Chris Fedde <chris@fedde.littleton.co.us> types:
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 | >  | Anyone out there got a FreeBSD daemon image suitable for use as an
 | >  | icon (i.e. - 16x16)?
 | >  | 
 | >  | 	Thanx,
 | >  | 	<mike
 | > There is a small image if chuck in the fbsd-icons port.
 | 
 | It's not quite small enough (25x28). I've actually got an icon; now
 | the problem is turning it into a .ico file on FreeBSD. There don't
 | seem to be any tools for that.
 +------------------

It's pretty easy making images smaller using something like xv.
What's a .ico file?

--
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> How do you get a fucking program to load at startup on freebsd? Where on
your fucking website do you have that.

http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/admin.html#STARTUP-CONFIG-FILES

>I want to set up a Unix POP3 server. The instructions tell me how to
compile. Then they tell me to move the fucking file to a directory in my
path. I can do that. Now what, the fucking end. They say I'm done. I can't
get any mail.

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ports-using.html

cd /usr/ports/mail/imap-uw  (go to the program you want to install)
make install (download compile and install it automatically)
man imap (read the manual for it so you can configure it)

How much more fucking easy can we make it ?

> The only thing I've found on your website is how great freebsd is and you
can do it but it depends on your version. I know my version... how do I
fucking do it?

www.freebsd.org/handbook

Maybe you should fucking read a little more carefully.

> Be sure and forward this to all you freebsd experts out there.

If you can't navigate a simple webpage, find the handbook, READ the
handbook, and maybe ask a few questions without throwing a fucking fit,
maybe you're not intelligent enough to use and sort of Unix or Linux.  Try
Windows NT 4 with a couple of MCSE manuals.  If that's too much for you, use
Windows 95 with the shareware from www.download.com




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Jim Conner wrote:
> 
> Hey Cliff,
> 
> I work for a telecommunications company and we use a TON of Solaris.  But
> really, if you just need to know the basic of Unix, any unix-alike can
> provide that.  I started with Linux, moved over to FreeBSD, and then not
> too long after that got into DEC, HP, Solaris, and AIX.  Now, I mostly work
> with Solaris.  There are subtle differences between the various
> flavors.  The bigger differences don't become apparent until you start
> coding in the various environments.  The way these flavors perform memory
> management, swapping, etc.  So, I can safely suggest (from personal
> experience) that FreeBSD would be fine to study...but I truly think for
> beginners that some flavor of Linux is best.  I don't know how many others
> on this list would back me on that, but as a personal thought, I offer you
> that.
> 
> Happy Unix'ing :)  UNIX RULES!  WINDBLOWZ...er eh hem...nevermind.
> 
> - Jim


I agree with what Jim has stated. I started with Jim's suggestion and
coming from a previous career as a Machinist I knew "NOT" to get stuck
in the Linux box. I am currently sending this from a Solaris-8 box here
at home, sitting next to my FreeBSD-4.1 box, sitting next to 3 different
Linux boxes.

<no_flame_please>

Unix is Unix is Unix and I feel that anything forward slash is included.
I tell my Linux co-workers that the reason I have (at work too) an
OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Solaris box at my workstation is that the Unix
"engine" may differ as in the "starter" may be on the right side of the
engine on one Unix and the battery on the left vs another Unix engine,
they all are more or less the same and it pays to "pop the hood" on all
the vehicles ON A REGULAR BASIS so if one drive into your shop looking
for a mechanic you not sitting there stumped.

</no_flame_please>

I keep an account at San Francisco's City College which give me access
to HP-UX. I envy Jim for the ability to be exposed to "popping the hood"
on an AIX and DEC. Trust me, if they made Intel versions of their builds
I'd go out an buy extra boxes to run there here at home in unison.

I've seen people limit themselves in the steel industry with: "I don't
silver solder, that's for plumbers....." or "I don't braze, I'm a
welder...." and those poor bastards were left collecting un-employment
an getting their seniority bounced by individuals who took the time to
do "different platforms".

I got stumped this weekend on a "VMware on FreeBSD" but will keep
hacking. They had a saying at the Naval shipyards I used to do cetified
welding at and it went like this: "If you haven't flunked a welding
test, you haven't been welding long enough !!"

Happy "Holidays/Hacking"

-- 
Bill Schoolcraft
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On W98

c:\>arp -a
No ARP Entries Found

jfreeze@eeyore1
('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze/web/www.freebsdportal.com/htdocs 11 -> dmesg |
grep al0
al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
al0: promiscuous mode enabled
al0: promiscuous mode enabled
al0: promiscuous mode enabled

Jim


On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 01:58:20PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > Hi Crist:
> > 
> > My gateway inside nic is a LinkSys network card.
> > The pc nic is a Netgear FA311 card.
> > 
> > What other info do you need?
> 
> If you go to the WinBox, what does it say for, 'arp -a'?
> 
> What does your dmesg(8) output for your NIC look like?
> 
> I must say that I have never seen anything like this before. As I tell
> the guys I work with (the network group), at the physical layer if the
> problem is more invloved than making sure that the wires go to the
> right places and straight-through versus cross-over, I call them. If
> there is a data layer issue, I'll handle getting the UNIX-boxes to do
> whatever they need to[0], but as for the switches, VLANs, etc., I call
> them.
> 
> [0] It is fun to play with MACs on Suns. Actually what is fun is the
> absolute befuddled expression PC-centric types get when you explain to
> them that all of the interfaces on a Sun have the same MAC address in
> their default configuration. I wish some of the people who post to
> this list asking why they get funny messages when they plug multiple
> NICs from one machine into a hub or switch would try that with a
> Sun. You can really have fun.
> -- 
> Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu
> 
> 
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Chris Fedde <chris@fedde.littleton.co.us> types:
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 01:55:17 -0600 (CST)  Mike Meyer wrote:
>  +------------------
>  | Chris Fedde <chris@fedde.littleton.co.us> types:
>  | > On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 00:27:38 -0600 (CST)  Mike Meyer wrote:
>  | >  | Anyone out there got a FreeBSD daemon image suitable for use as an
>  | >  | icon (i.e. - 16x16)?
>  | >  | 
>  | >  | 	Thanx,
>  | >  | 	<mike
>  | > There is a small image if chuck in the fbsd-icons port.
>  | 
>  | It's not quite small enough (25x28). I've actually got an icon; now
>  | the problem is turning it into a .ico file on FreeBSD. There don't
>  | seem to be any tools for that.
>  +------------------
> It's pretty easy making images smaller using something like xv.

I used the gimp on one of the larger images I already had.

> What's a .ico file?

A Windows Icon file. IE5 tries to get favicon.ico from a site every
time a user bookmarks a site. I wanted something to get the cruft out
of my log files, and figured I might as well be-daemon the IE users
while I was at it.

	<mike
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Disk recovery softwareDoes anyone know if it is possible to get Answerbook
for Solaris x86 to work under FreeBSD.

I have a desperate need of Answerbook at work but am having trouble getting
Solaris to load and work comfortably with W2K.  FreeBSD can do it as easy as
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	"Jim Conner" <jconner@enterit.com>
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> Anybody could have asked the very same question in a much more acceptable
> manner...especially from the start.  I have to admit, that the ONE thing
> that drives me NUTTY are those who when they first get asked a question
> their first response is : RTFM!! But on the flip side of that, I can't
> stand people who just ask questions ALL the time and aren't willing to try
> and find a less convenient (perhaps) more reliable (most likely) avenue of
> getting their questions answered.  So it goes both ways and this argument
> could go on forever.  So, in the interest of time...mr mouth (below)
should
> have been way more tact when he asked his question...er did he ask?!  :)

I don't believe in attacking the ignorant or innocent.  Even if someone asks
a question a hundred times in #freebsdhelp, even though I get insanely
frustrated, I don't chew the guy out.  I try to walk him through it.  But
when people throw out the word 'fuck' 50 times in an email expressing how
stupid a Unix class operating system is simply because that person cannot
understand it, that person doesn't need FreeBSD help, they need mental help.
That person is closed minded and unwilling to listen, and truly undeserving
of help.  I don't believe in screaming RTFM to calm (although repeated)
questions, from newbies.  You sit and think THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED
1,000,000 TIMES.  But from the other point of view, that person has only
asked the question once, and is honestly trying to become a new member of
the FreeBSD community.  I respect that, because I was there, as was most
everyone else.  People who are hostile however, do not deserve assistance,
because how can they master FreeBSD when they have not mastered themselves ?
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I am trying to find out why I get:

	# cat /dev/kbd0
	cat: /dev/kbd0: Device busy

on a 'headless' machine; i.e. ttyv0 .. ttyvX are all 'Off'; there is no
getty running except for the serial port I booted on (and I guess that is
not needed either); the flags for the sio0 device are set to 0x20 in the
devices hint file (and the machine boots/consolse fine from the serial
port). This is on 5.0-CURRENT as of two weeks ago.

Any hints,

Tha !

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ifconfig tun0 now gives me several IP addresses;

tun0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        inet 10.0.0.1 --> 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 216.191.74.173 --> 192.168.70.16 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 216.191.61.93 --> 192.168.70.7 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 207.245.46.138 --> 192.168.70.2 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 216.191.75.35 --> 192.168.70.17 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 216.191.75.242 --> 192.168.70.19 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 216.191.61.208 --> 192.168.70.8 netmask 0xffffffff 
        inet 216.191.74.104 --> 192.168.70.15 netmask 0xffffffff 
        Opened by PID 99

Why so many?



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Otter wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> That all depends on your versions of FreeBSD and XFree86. In
> 4.2-RELEASE and using XF86-4.0.1_8 (I'd guess 3.3.6 to be about the
> same requirements), the only thing you need to do is edit /etc/ttys
> (assuming you want xdm to start at boot, otherwise, just type "xdm" at
> the prompt). Anything prior to that, I've found also requires a tweak
> of xdm-config. I use wdm, but it works just the same for setup
> (xdm/wdm/kdm/etc). In /etc/ttys, change the one line to look like
> mine:
> 
> ttyv8   "/usr/X11R6/bin/wdm -nodaemon"  xterm   on secure
> 
> Of course, you'll need to reinit/reboot to get that to take effect.

	No, you don't have to reboot. Just 'kill -1 1' to get init to reread
that file. 

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Where can I download it ????

Gareth Cox
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Sun Nov 26 12:58:37 2000
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:41:25 -0600 (CST)  Mike Meyer wrote:
 +------------------
 | Chris Fedde <chris@fedde.littleton.co.us> types:
 | > What's a .ico file?
 | 
 | A Windows Icon file. IE5 tries to get favicon.ico from a site every
 | time a user bookmarks a site. I wanted something to get the cruft out
 | of my log files, and figured I might as well be-daemon the IE users
 | while I was at it.
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Wonderfull.  I guess that no other existing format could posibly
have worked in this case.  Obviously the only thing that could be
done is to invent yet another incompatable file format.   :-<

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* Riverdusty <riverdusty@yahoo.com> [001126 12:55] wrote:
> Where can I download it ????

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/

-- 
-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
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> su-2.04# netstat -m
> 999/1088/4096 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
>         995 mbufs allocated to data
>         4 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> 154/230/1024 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> 732 Kbytes allocated to network (23% of mb_map in use)
> 0 requests for memory denied
> 0 requests for memory delayed
> 0 calls to protocol drain routines


indeed I get this too, here's my netstat -m

93/528/18432 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
        67 mbufs allocated to data
        26 mbufs allocated to packet headers
64/186/4608 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
504 Kbytes allocated to network (3% of mb_map in use)
0 requests for memory denied
0 requests for memory delayed
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I confess, I've always been a bit of a Windows bigot.  For various =
reasons, I'm now trying to learn more about open source.  I see three =
major "providers" in the open source movement:  Linux, BSD and Apple, =
which incorporates a lot of Mach and BSD into their Darwin OS.  There =
seems to be several sources for Linux, Red Hat being the leader by =
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long demonstrated technology loses to marketing.

I understand and agree with the reasons that are spurring growth in the =
open source movement.  My concern is along different lines than those I =
see discussed in the trade rags, however. =20

Microsoft may (ok, does) engage in inappropriate behavior in the market =
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debates about algorithms and mechanisms, they have built a comprehensive =
and consistent software architecture that extends from handhelds to =
clustered multi-processor behemoths.  In addition, they pour more into =
R&D than the GDP of a lot of small countries.  They have a vision, =
whether original or appropriated, of how the world should work and they =
are driving fanatically in that direction.  Most of the rest of the =
industry, more or less reluctantly aids them or competes with them, =
spurring development.

But what if?  Supposing some marketing miracle were to occur and =
Microsoft had the economic slats kicked out from under them.  Its easy =
to rally the troops against a common enemy.  If Microsoft were to =
suddenly lose the impetus, would we continue to see the evolution in =
software architectures that we've seen the past twenty years?    =
Microsoft made about $10B last year on applications, about $10B on OS =
products and a few billion on MSN and other stuff.  What would likely be =
the impact of them making their OS products open source?  How much would =
that cost them?  Would they be able to sustain their momentum on non-OS =
products without the monopoly money they get from the OS stuff?  Used to =
be, if IBM sneezed, the industry caught a cold.  Suppose Microsoft came =
down with pneumonia?  What would happen in the rest of the industry?  Is =
NASDAQ going to lose another 30%?

Suppose Microsoft were motivated to make a future version of Windows, =
Whistler for example, open source.  What would happen?  Would we see a =
normalization of the all the best features in Linux, BSD, Darwin and =
Whistler or would we see the open source community fracture along lines =
drawn between the Unix derivatives and the Windows camp?  What about all =
the application folk, would they be forced to maintain two versions of =
their applications, one for Linux, one for Windows? =20

Ninety percent or more of the world's microcomputers run Windows, but =
ninety percent or more of the world's inhabitants don't use a =
microcomputer.  Suppose that were to change dramatically and rapidly.  =
Is the open source community ready to accommodate that level of =
adoption?  How long would it take for sufficient applications to appear =
to make Linux as functional and full featured, application wise, as =
Windows?

I would appreciate any input you could offer along these lines.  Pass =
this along to anyone else you think might have the time and inclination =
to respond.  Point me to sources of information along these lines if you =
can.  I'm less concerned with the technical merits of the two camps as I =
am with the industry's and the market's response to a sudden and =
dramatic change from Windows to Linux.


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comprehensive and consistent software architecture that extends from =
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marketing miracle=20
were to occur and Microsoft had the economic slats kicked out from under =

them.&nbsp; Its easy to rally the troops against a common enemy.&nbsp; =
If=20
Microsoft were to suddenly lose the impetus, would we continue to see =
the=20
evolution in software architectures that we've seen the past twenty=20
years?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Microsoft made about $10B last year on =
applications,=20
about $10B on OS products and a few billion on MSN and other =
stuff.&nbsp; What=20
would likely be the impact of them&nbsp;making their OS products open=20
source?&nbsp; How much would that cost them?&nbsp; Would they be able to =
sustain=20
their momentum on non-OS products without the monopoly money they get =
from the=20
OS stuff?&nbsp; Used to be, if IBM sneezed, the industry caught a =
cold.&nbsp;=20
Suppose Microsoft came down with pneumonia?&nbsp; What would happen in =
the rest=20
of the industry?&nbsp; Is NASDAQ going to lose another 30%?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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to&nbsp;make a=20
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would=20
happen?&nbsp; Would we see a normalization of the all the best features =
in=20
Linux, BSD, Darwin and Whistler or would we see the open source =
community=20
fracture along lines drawn between the Unix derivatives and the Windows=20
camp?&nbsp; What about all the application folk, would they be forced to =

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Windows?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ninety percent or more of the=20
world's&nbsp;microcomputers run Windows, but ninety percent or more of =
the=20
world's inhabitants don't use a microcomputer.&nbsp; Suppose that were =
to change=20
dramatically and rapidly.&nbsp; Is the open source community ready to=20
accommodate that&nbsp;level of adoption?&nbsp; How long would it take =
for=20
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featured,=20
application wise, as Windows?</FONT></DIV>
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offer along=20
these lines.&nbsp; Pass this along to anyone else you think might have =
the time=20
and inclination to respond.&nbsp; Point me to sources of information =
along these=20
lines if you can.&nbsp; I'm less concerned with the technical merits of =
the two=20
camps as I am with the industry's and the market's response to a sudden =
and=20
dramatic change from Windows to Linux.</FONT></DIV>
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> James Wilde wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if it is possible to get Answerbook for Solaris x86
> to work under FreeBSD.
> 
> I have a desperate need of Answerbook at work but am having trouble
> getting Solaris to load and work comfortably with W2K.  FreeBSD can do
> it as easy as pi.
> 
> mvh/regards
> 
> James


Hello, whenever the topic of partitioning Solaris comes up, I prefer to
use the tutorial
at http://math.uwb.edu.pl/~mariusz/multiboot/ for it covers just about
everything
one could think of when it comes to this topic. There are real good
links there
too.

  
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I will preface this by saying I am no authority in this field, but I
have seen a few posts on this subject and hope this may help someone
else in a simular situation.

To the matter at hand.  I had several production servers running
3.X-stable. All of these were running apache-ssl-php3-frontpage with php3
and frontpage compiled into the binary and ssl as DSO. This presented a
problem in upgrading to php4.  You may have noticed that there are a lot
of new DSO modules in /usr/ports/www.  The problem is that some, such as
mod_ssl, are  only available from RELENG_4, and seem to be 4.X dependent.

After building Apache a *lot* of different ways, including from
source, I have come to this conclusion.  This task can be done easily with
the ports collection, even for the 3.X platform.

First, you must download and install the FreeBSD version of frontpage
extensions into /usr/local.  They may be found at,
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/languages/fp/2000/unixfpse.asp

Now, we can easily adapt /usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl.  This can be done
by copying two files already present on the machine and making one entry
in the Makefile.  Php4 "/usr/ports/www/mod_php4" can be added after apache
has been compiled.

The first file:

Copy the apache frontpage patch "fp-patch-apache_1.3.12" from
/usr/local/frontpage/version4.0/apache-fp/ to 
/usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl/files/ and rename it patch-aj

The second file:

$ cd /usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl
$ cp ../apache13-fp/files/mod_frontpage.c \
> files/mod_frontpage.c

Edit the Makefile:

Place "--add-module=mod_frontpage.c" near the bottom of the CONFIGURE_ARGS
section.

Mine looks like this.

CONFIGURE_ARGS= --prefix=${PREFIX} \    
                --server-gid=nogroup \
                --with-perl=${PERL} \
                --with-layout=${FILESDIR}/FreeBSD.layout:FreeBSD \
                --suexec-docroot=${PREFIX}/www/data \ 
                --without-confadjust \
                --enable-module=most \
                --enable-module=auth_db \
                --enable-module=mmap_static \
                --disable-module=auth_dbm \
                --enable-shared=max \
                --enable-module=ssl \
                --add-module=mod_frontpage.c \
                --enable-module=define

Finish up:

$ make
$ make certificate
$ make install
$ make clean

$ cd ../mod_php4
$ make
$ make install
$ make clean

Appropriate entries for enabling mod_php4 will automatically be added to
httpd.conf when the module is built.  You may need to add frontpage
yourself.  Just add "AddModule mod_frontpage.c" to the AddModule list.

Good luck,

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:38:56PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> On W98
> 
> c:\>arp -a
> No ARP Entries Found
> 
> jfreeze@eeyore1
> ('tty') /usr/home/jfreeze/web/www.freebsdportal.com/htdocs 11 -> dmesg |
> grep al0
> al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)

Something is not right here. I don't really know what to tell
you. Maybe try -hardware? Or the name on the al(4) manpage, Bill Paul
<wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu>?

Maybe try reading the page? See if anything rings a bell?
-- 
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I already posted in Deja, but just in case...try using a straight
cable between your FreeBSD and Win98 boxes.  You might also edit out
the 24.xxx.xxx.xxx entries in your host files.  I have a similar setup
with a DSL modem plugging my boxes into a hub with straight cables.

Kelly Hendrix

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
> Crist J . Clark
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 5:07 PM
> To: Jim Freeze
> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Need help with natd and connecting Windows to LAN
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:38:56PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > On W98
> >
> > c:\>arp -a
> > No ARP Entries Found
> >
> > jfreeze@eeyore1
> > ('tty')
> /usr/home/jfreeze/web/www.freebsdportal.com/htdocs 11 -> dmesg |
> > grep al0
> > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
>
> Something is not right here. I don't really know what to tell
> you. Maybe try -hardware? Or the name on the al(4) manpage,
> Bill Paul
> <wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu>?
>
> Maybe try reading the page? See if anything rings a bell?
> --
> Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu
>
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 05:10:16PM -0500, Kelly Hendrix wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
> > Crist J . Clark
> > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 5:07 PM
> > To: Jim Freeze
> > Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Need help with natd and connecting Windows to LAN
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:38:56PM -0500, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > > On W98
> > >
> > > c:\>arp -a
> > > No ARP Entries Found
> > >
> > > jfreeze@eeyore1
> > > ('tty')
> > /usr/home/jfreeze/web/www.freebsdportal.com/htdocs 11 -> dmesg |
> > > grep al0
> > > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> >
> > Something is not right here. I don't really know what to tell
> > you. Maybe try -hardware? Or the name on the al(4) manpage,
> > Bill Paul
> > <wpaul@ctr.columbia.edu>?
> >
> > Maybe try reading the page? See if anything rings a bell?
>
> I already posted in Deja, but just in case...try using a straight
> cable between your FreeBSD and Win98 boxes.  You might also edit out
> the 24.xxx.xxx.xxx entries in your host files.  I have a similar setup
> with a DSL modem plugging my boxes into a hub with straight cables.

If it was a cable problem, straight-through versus cross-over, he
would not be getting as far as he is. His NIC shouldn't even be able
to autonegotiate. It looks like he has a good full-duplex connection
with a cross-over... Did you tell me that or did I just assume it?
Anyway, we can see the who-has ARPs from the WinBox coming into the
FreeBSD machine. That would tell me all is probably well at the
physical layer.
-- 
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I have noticed that when my freebsd computer boots it says "file system clean
skipping scan" or something to that effect.  with windoze computers I regulary
scan disk and defrag, is that something I need to worry about with freebsd?
is there some utility that I should be running that I'm not aware of? currently
I have 2 freebsd machines a firewall and a webserver.

thank you,
Tony


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Crist J . Clark wrote:
> natd(8) was not designed to work with one physical interface. It may
> work, but if it doesn't you're kind of on your own. You might say it is
> not a supported configuration.

OK, I'm still confused about NAT setup. I have successfully
installed a 2nd NIC in the FreeBSD box and now have the
following connections:

[private_box_1]----[ unmanaged ]
                   [  switch   ]---[FreeBSD_box]---[DSL modem]
[private_box_2]----[           ]

The kernel is configured with:
  options IPFIREWALL
  options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD
  options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
  options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=50
  options IPDIVERT
  options IPFILTER
  options IPFILTER_LOG

/etc/rc.conf contains:
  ifconfig_rl0="inet 216.241.42.159  netmask 255.255.255.0"
  ifconfig_dc0="inet 10.0.0.1  netmask 255.255.255.0"
  defaultrouter="216.241.42.1"
  gateway_enable="YES"
  natd_enable="YES"
  natd_interface="rl0"
  natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf"
  firewall_type="open"

/etc/natd.conf contains:
  log yes
  use_sockets yes
  same_ports yes
  redirect_address 10.0.0.2 216.241.42.159
  redirect_address 10.0.0.3 216.241.42.159

rl0 is the public interface. The NIC for that interface is physically
connected to the DSL modem. dc0 is physically connected to the switch.

The kernel's boot messages indicate that both links are up and active,
and "IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based
forwarding enabled, default to deny, logging limited to 50 packets/
entry by default" and "IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized.  Default = pass
all, Logging = enabled" ... everything as expected, I think.


First question:

Before, when I connected the DSL modem to the switch, I had to use
the switch's uplink port. Connecting the modem to the other ports
does not work (no link lights on the NIC or the switch).

Now, when I connect the dc0 NIC to the switch, I have to use one of
the regular ports in order to get link lights. If I connect to the
uplink port, no link.

Why would I get no link lights in the case of DSL modem <-> regular
port, or dc0 NIC <-> uplink port? Do I need to use the uplink port
at all in the new configuration?


Question 2:
From what I've read and what I've seen in rc.firewall, the above
kernel and rc.conf configuration should be sufficient to have an
open firewall. However, after boot, it appears that rc.firewall is
not being run at all:

# ipfw list
65535 deny ip from any to any

And indeed, no packets go anywhere. If I go ahead and run
rc.firewall, I get

# sh /etc/rc.firewall
Flushed all rules.
00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
65000 allow ip from any to any
# ipfw list
00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
65000 allow ip from any to any
65535 deny ip from any to any

which looks about right.

Why is /etc/rc.firewall not running on startup? Is this expected?


Question 3:

After running rc.firewall, the FreeBSD box and a private box
can ping each other at 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2, respectively. Each
can also ping themselves at 127.0.0.1. So good, the local network
is functional.

However, none of the boxes can ping the ISP's router at the other end
of the DSL link (216.241.42.1).

What should I look at next?

TIA,
Mike


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>[Please wrap your lines at about 70 columns or so for 
>those of us with RFC compliant MUAs. All of your 
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Sorry about that; using iname's webmail client.

>> "Nov 25 13:44:47 saucer natd[147]: failed to write
>> packet back (Permission denied)
>> 
>> Nov 25 13:44:53 saucer last message repeated 4 times
>> "
>> 
>> My questions are: What's up with this? Is this due
>> to my firewall rules, or something else? I have log 
>>no set in /etc/natd.conf, and I'd rather not see
>> this message if it's not affecting performance. I 
>> never saw this before on my 3.4 system.

> This is due to a packet that was processed by >natd(8) being dropped later in the firewall rules.

>> If there are some relevant files I can attach to 
>> help troubleshooting, please let me know.

>For the 'failed to write packet back' problem, a copy
> of both
>rc.firewall and output of 'ipfw show' are good if you >still need help
>with those.

Well...after poking around a bit, I've determined that 
the 'natd failed to write packet back' messages occur
whenever there's a hit (from the outside world) on any 
of the websites hosted on this machine.

But, I don't know why natd is seeing these. 

I've attached my rc.firewall (note, the outside IP isn't my real IP) and the output of 'ipfw show' (at the bottom of rc.firewall).

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/sbin/ipfw -f flush
/sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via rl0
/sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any

############
# Setup system for firewall service.
# $FreeBSD: src/etc/rc.firewall,v 1.19.2.2 1999/08/29 14:18:55 peter Exp $

# Suck in the configuration variables.
#if [ -f /etc/defaults/rc.conf ]; then
#	. /etc/defaults/rc.conf
if [ -f /etc/rc.conf ]; then
	. /etc/rc.conf
fi

############
# Define the firewall type in /etc/rc.conf.  Valid values are:
#   open     - will allow anyone in
#   client   - will try to protect just this machine
#   simple   - will try to protect a whole network
#   closed   - totally disables IP services except via lo0 interface
#   Unknown  - disables the loading of firewall rules.
#   filename - will load the rules in the given filename (full path required)
#
# For ``client'' and ``simple'' the entries below should be customized 
# appropriately.

############
#
# If you don't know enough about packet filtering, we suggest that you
# take time to read this book:
#
#	Building Internet Firewalls
#	Brent Chapman and Elizabeth Zwicky
#
#	O'Reilly & Associates, Inc
#	ISBN 1-56592-124-0
#	http://www.ora.com/
#
# For a more advanced treatment of Internet Security read:
#
#	Firewalls & Internet Security
#	Repelling the wily hacker
#	William R. Cheswick, Steven M. Bellowin
#
#	Addison-Wesley
#	ISBN 0-201-6337-4
#	http://www.awl.com/
#

if [ "x$1" != "x" ]; then
	firewall_type=$1
fi

############
# Set quiet mode if requested
if [ "x$firewall_quiet" = "xYES" ]; then
	fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw -q"
else
	fwcmd="/sbin/ipfw"
fi

############
# Flush out the list before we begin.
$fwcmd -f flush

############
# These rules are required for using natd.  All packets are passed to
# natd before they encounter your remaining rules.  The firewall rules
# will then be run again on each packet after translation by natd,
# minus any divert rules (see natd(8)).
if [ "X${natd_enable}" = X"YES" ]; then
        $fwcmd add divert natd all from any to any via ${natd_interface}
fi

############
# If you just configured ipfw in the kernel as a tool to solve network
# problems or you just want to disallow some particular kinds of traffic
# they you will want to change the default policy to open.  You can also
# do this as your only action by setting the firewall_type to ``open''.

# $fwcmd add 65000 pass all from any to any

############
# Only in rare cases do you want to change these rules
$fwcmd add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0
$fwcmd add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8


# Prototype setups.
if [ "${firewall_type}" = "open" -o "${firewall_type}" = "OPEN" ]; then

	$fwcmd add 65000 pass all from any to any

elif [ "${firewall_type}" = "client" ]; then

    ############
    # This is a prototype setup that will protect your system somewhat against
    # people from outside your own network.
    ############

    # set these to your network and netmask and ip
    net="192.168.4.0"
    mask="255.255.255.0"
    ip="192.168.4.17"

    # Allow any traffic to or from my own net.
    $fwcmd add pass all from ${ip} to ${net}:${mask}
    $fwcmd add pass all from ${net}:${mask} to ${ip}

    # Allow TCP through if setup succeeded
    $fwcmd add pass tcp from any to any established

    # Allow setup of incoming email 
    $fwcmd add pass tcp from any to ${ip} 25 setup

    # Allow setup of outgoing TCP connections only
    $fwcmd add pass tcp from ${ip} to any setup

    # Disallow setup of all other TCP connections
    $fwcmd add deny tcp from any to any setup

    # Allow DNS queries out in the world
    $fwcmd add pass udp from any 53 to ${ip}
    $fwcmd add pass udp from ${ip} to any 53

    # Allow NTP queries out in the world
    $fwcmd add pass udp from any 123 to ${ip}
    $fwcmd add pass udp from ${ip} to any 123

    # Everything else is denied as default.


elif [ "${firewall_type}" = "simple" ]; then

# 'simple' firewall taken from www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd

# Outside interface network and netmask and ip
             oif="rl0"
             onet="212.17.132.0"
             omask="255.255.255.0"
             oip="212.17.132.172"

             # Inside interface network and netmask and ip
             iif="xl0"
             inet="192.168.1.0"
             imask="255.255.255.0"
             iip="192.168.1.1"

             # My ISP's DNS servers
             dns1="206.17.140.161"
             dns2="191.164.246.5"
	     

             # Stop spoofing
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from ${inet}:${imask} to any in via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from ${onet}:${omask} to any in via ${iif}

             # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface
             ${fwcmd} add deny all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 out via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 out via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 out via ${oif}

             # Stop draft-manning-dsua-01.txt nets on the outside interface
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add deny log all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via ${oif}

             # Allow established connections
             ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any established

             # Allow IP fragments to pass through
             ${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any frag


             ### TCP SETUP RULES

             # HTTP - Allow access to our web server
             ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any 80 setup
	    
             # POP - Allow access to our POP3 server
	     ${fwcmd} add pass log tcp from any to any 110 setup

             # SMTP - Allow access to sendmail for incoming e-mail
             ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any 25 setup

             # FTP - Allow incoming data channel for outgoing connections, 
             # Reject&Log all incoming control connections
             ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any 20 to any 1024-65535 setup
             ${fwcmd} add pass log tcp from any to any 21 in via ${oif} setup

             # SSH Login - Allow & Log all incoming
             ${fwcmd} add pass log tcp from any to any 22 in via ${oif} setup

             # IDENT - Reset incoming connections 
             ${fwcmd} add reset tcp from any to any 113 in via ${oif} setup

             # Reject&Log all setup of incoming connections from the outside
             ${fwcmd} add deny log tcp from any to any in via ${oif} setup

             # Allow setup of any other TCP connection
             ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any setup


             ### UDP RULES

             # DNS - Allow queries out in the world
	     #${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to any 53
	     #${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 53 to any
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to ${dns1} 53
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to ${dns2} 53
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${dns1} 53 to any
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${dns2} 53 to any

             # SMB - Allow local traffic
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to any 137-139 via ${iif}

             # NTP - Allow server-to-server on outside interface, client-to-server
             # on inside interface
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 123 to any 123 via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any 123 to any via ${iif}
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to any 123 via ${iif}

             # TRACEROUTE - Allow outgoing, but not incoming
             ${fwcmd} add pass udp from any to any 33434-33523 out via ${oif}


             ### ICMP RULES

             # ICMP packets
             # Allow all ICMP packets on internal interface
             ${fwcmd} add pass icmp from any to any via ${iif}  

             # Allow outgoing pings, but not incoming
             ${fwcmd} add pass icmp from any to any icmptypes 8 out via ${oif}
             ${fwcmd} add pass icmp from any to any icmptypes 0 in via ${oif}           

             # Allow Destination Unreachable, Source Quench, Time Exceeded, and Bad Header
             ${fwcmd} add pass icmp from any to any icmptypes 3,4,11,12 via ${oif}

             # Deny the rest of them
             ${fwcmd} add deny icmp from any to any


             ### MISCELLANEOUS REJECT RULES

             # Reject broadcasts from outside interface
             ${fwcmd} add 63000 deny ip from any to 0.0.0.255:0.0.0.255 in via ${oif}

             # Reject&Log SMB connections on outside interface
             ${fwcmd} add 64000 deny log udp from any to any 137-139 via ${oif}

             # Reject&Log all other connections from outside interface
             ${fwcmd} add 65000 deny log ip from any to any via ${oif}

fi




--output of 'ipfw -show--

00100   0     0 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
00100   0     0 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200   0     0 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
00300   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 192.168.1.0/24 to any in recv rl0
00400   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 212.17.132.0/24 to any in recv xl0
00500   0     0 deny ip from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via rl0
00600   0     0 deny ip from any to 10.0.0.0/8 out xmit rl0
00700   0     0 deny ip from 172.16.0.0/12 to any via rl0
00800   0     0 deny ip from any to 172.16.0.0/12 out xmit rl0
00900   0     0 deny ip from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via rl0
01000   0     0 deny ip from any to 192.168.0.0/16 out xmit rl0
01100   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via rl0
01200   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via rl0
01300   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 169.254.0.0/16 to any via rl0
01400   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to 169.254.0.0/16 via rl0
01500   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via rl0
01600   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via rl0
01700   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via rl0
01800   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via rl0
01900   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via rl0
02000   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via rl0
02100   0     0 allow tcp from any to any established
02200   0     0 allow ip from any to any frag
02300   0     0 allow tcp from any to any 80 setup
02400   0     0 allow log logamount 100 tcp from any to any 110 setup
02500   0     0 allow tcp from any to any 25 setup
02600   0     0 allow tcp from any 20 to any 1024-65535 setup
02700   0     0 allow log logamount 100 tcp from any to any 21 in recv rl0 setup
02800   0     0 allow log logamount 100 tcp from any to any 22 in recv rl0 setup
02900   0     0 reset tcp from any to any 113 in recv rl0 setup
03000   0     0 deny log logamount 100 tcp from any to any in recv rl0 setup
03100   0     0 allow tcp from any to any setup
03200   0     0 allow udp from any to 206.17.140.161 53
03300   0     0 allow udp from any to 191.164.246.5 53
03400   0     0 allow udp from 206.17.140.161 53 to any
03500   0     0 allow udp from 191.164.246.5 53 to any
03600   0     0 allow udp from any to any 137-139 via xl0
03700   0     0 allow udp from any 123 to any 123 via rl0
03800   0     0 allow udp from any 123 to any via xl0
03900   0     0 allow udp from any to any 123 via xl0
04000   0     0 allow udp from any to any 33434-33523 out xmit rl0
04100   0     0 allow icmp from any to any via xl0
04200   0     0 allow icmp from any to any out xmit rl0 icmptype 8
04300   0     0 allow icmp from any to any in recv rl0 icmptype 0
04400   0     0 allow icmp from any to any via rl0 icmptype 3,4,11,12
04500   0     0 deny icmp from any to any
63000   0     0 deny ip from any to 0.0.0.255:0.0.0.255 in recv rl0
64000   0     0 deny log logamount 100 udp from any to any 137-139 via rl0
65000   0     0 deny log logamount 100 ip from any to any via rl0
65535 357 56075 allow ip from any to any

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Tony -

Unix filesystems are better organized, and don't seem to suffer from
the fragmentation that FAT and FAT32 do, and so don't need this kind
of maintenance.  I don't fully understand the internals, however, and
would love to hear from someone who does ...

As for "scandisk", the Unix equivalent is fsck, and it's normally only
necessary when the system was shut down improperly (as happens to me
frequently, because I really shouldn't be running two space heaters
and five computers on the same circuit =).  In such a case, fsck will
run on bootup before the filesystems are mounted.  You shouldn't run
fsck on a mounted filesystem.

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Tony wrote:

>I have noticed that when my freebsd computer boots it says "file system clean
>skipping scan" or something to that effect.  with windoze computers I regulary
>scan disk and defrag, is that something I need to worry about with freebsd?
>is there some utility that I should be running that I'm not aware of? currently
>I have 2 freebsd machines a firewall and a webserver.
>
>thank you,
>Tony
>
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Hi, folks...

i'm running 4.2-STABLE with an updated sendmail.cf file, and i'm getting
some strange things going on...

here's a message i get a lot:

Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916: ruleset=check_mail,
arg1=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net
[209.226.175.139], reject=451 4.1.8 <paulf@canadianalliance.ca>... Domain
of sender address paulf@canadianalliance.ca does not resolve
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proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]

What exactly can it not resolve? I resolve canadianalliance.ca just fine on
that machine...



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I don't have anything important to add, but Chris' message 

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Chris Wasser wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 03:23:54AM -0500, Erik Rothwell wrote:
> > You are *such* a fucking tool, sorry to say, but uhm... why
> > not try /etc/rc.local or /usr/local/etc/rc.d ??? I really
> > effin' hate these windows vs. BSD debates, because they are so
> > childish. . . but, your inadequacy does not make an operating
> > system suck. BSD allows vast amounts of configuration, and
> > for that, you must pay the price of not being pampered by
> > the Windows congolomorate.
> > Learn about something before you install it, bro. 
> 
> To those who took the time to read this reply in this rather
> unseemingly thread, my gratitude for you taking the time to
> read my perhaps controversial opinions on it instead of
> skipping over it based on header :)
> 
> Unfortunately, he has a point which seems to be escaping almost
> everyone who has replied to this thread:
> 
> Ever since the adaptation of Microsoft Windows as the "standard"
> for the "home user", the very nature in the design of such
> software has taken the "oldschool" hackers (I mean MSDOS
> or PCDOS, OS/9, PC-MOS386, etc) and turned him/her into the
> lowest common denominator for those who don't have the time
> nor the inclination to learn.
> 
> All in the name of "convienience" and "ease of use".
> 
> Some of my clients can't even navigate their way around Windows
> itself because they simply don't have the aptitude to assimilate
> the information in a coherent manner (whether it be some deep
> seated fear of computers -- as odd as that sounds, I still meet
> some people who are afraid of computers) and thus OS's such
> as FreeBSD seem completely alien to them (afterall, there's
> no place to click to install this or that)
> 
> The fault doesn't lie with the user, in this case, a very
> distraught and upset person who for all we know, care barely
> find the "Start" button. I'll bet he barely understands the
> "dos prompt" in Windows much less then how to compile a kernel.
> 
> I don't mean this to add to the already numerous insults he's
> received, I emphasize it to illustrate that not everyone out
> there in computer-land is from the days when some of us used
> Radiation King monitors and machines that weren't even measured
> in MHz.
> 
> The true culprit is monolithic corporations such as Microsoft
> who in what I'm sure was originally once a noble idea to make
> computers easier to use, has sacrificed the control some of us
> DEMAND from our operating systems to fit into a world costantly
> in a hurry to get somewhere and shit-canned everyone into the
> same mould and thus produces users who end up getting
> frustrated because they only think on the one wavelength in
> which they were "educated" into.
> 
> The end result is we who understand and can sit on this side
> of the fence look down on those on the other side of the fence
> who simply don't know any better. Instead of retorting back
> with insults, perhaps it would have been a better avenue to
> suggest help in a more helpful manner.
> 
> I realize to some of you, you might be thinking, "we don't
> need his kind anyways". It's unlikely to me that any of us
> were not at one time in his shoes, albeit perhaps went
> about learning and asking questions in a much more
> acceptable manner.
> 
> The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD
> (anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition
> to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals
> here people, yes?
> 
> </ramble>
> 
> My 2 cents...
> Chris Wasser
> 
> 
> 
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 12:47:57PM -0800, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> of help.  I don't believe in screaming RTFM to calm (although repeated)
> questions, from newbies.  You sit and think THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED
> 1,000,000 TIMES.  
I believe that point people at manuals and sources of more lengthy
explanations is a good thing to do.
Saying RTFM is offensive, trite and arrogant.
People who feel compelled to say it should stay out of news groups
whee Newbies are likely to ask questions, or not say anything at all.

> But from the other point of view, that person has only
> asked the question once, and is honestly trying to become a new member of
> the FreeBSD community.  
Exactly !

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Hi,

I do not lnow how to unpack the *.iso file and make a CD.
What do I do to unpack the *.iso file before making the CD?.
Or, Should I unpack after making the CD ?.

Thanks,

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For the connection [FreeBSD_box]---[DSL modem], you may need a cross over
cable to connect the NIC to the DSL modem.  Some NIC's and some modems will
auto negotiate polarity, but yours may not.  That is why the lights are not
on.

Unless you need to perform static NAT, you do not need to redirect any
addresses.  My natd.conf looks like:
log                     yes
use_sockets             yes
same_ports              yes
unregistered_only       yes
interface               xl0

For the firewall to become active, you need to add firewall_enable="YES" to
your /etc/rc.conf

So, to recap, you are almost there.  First, reverse your cable polarity with
a crossover cable, and then make sure you add the line shown above to your
/etc/rc.conf file. The reason you are not "NATing" is that you have not
specified an interface for the NAT to watch, and you are manually
redirecting packets, called static nat, which is not what you want.

Gene

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> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
> mike@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 4:53 PM
> To: freebsd-questions
> Subject: Re: natd basic setup help
> 
> 
> Crist J . Clark wrote:
> > natd(8) was not designed to work with one physical interface. It may
> > work, but if it doesn't you're kind of on your own. You 
> might say it is
> > not a supported configuration.
> 
> OK, I'm still confused about NAT setup. I have successfully
> installed a 2nd NIC in the FreeBSD box and now have the
> following connections:
> 
> [private_box_1]----[ unmanaged ]
>                    [  switch   ]---[FreeBSD_box]---[DSL modem]
> [private_box_2]----[           ]
> 
> The kernel is configured with:
>   options IPFIREWALL
>   options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD
>   options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
>   options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=50
>   options IPDIVERT
>   options IPFILTER
>   options IPFILTER_LOG
> 
> /etc/rc.conf contains:
>   ifconfig_rl0="inet 216.241.42.159  netmask 255.255.255.0"
>   ifconfig_dc0="inet 10.0.0.1  netmask 255.255.255.0"
>   defaultrouter="216.241.42.1"
>   gateway_enable="YES"
>   natd_enable="YES"
>   natd_interface="rl0"
>   natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf"
>   firewall_type="open"
> 
> /etc/natd.conf contains:
>   log yes
>   use_sockets yes
>   same_ports yes
>   redirect_address 10.0.0.2 216.241.42.159
>   redirect_address 10.0.0.3 216.241.42.159
> 
> rl0 is the public interface. The NIC for that interface is physically
> connected to the DSL modem. dc0 is physically connected to the switch.
> 
> The kernel's boot messages indicate that both links are up and active,
> and "IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based
> forwarding enabled, default to deny, logging limited to 50 packets/
> entry by default" and "IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized.  Default = pass
> all, Logging = enabled" ... everything as expected, I think.
> 
> 
> First question:
> 
> Before, when I connected the DSL modem to the switch, I had to use
> the switch's uplink port. Connecting the modem to the other ports
> does not work (no link lights on the NIC or the switch).
> 
> Now, when I connect the dc0 NIC to the switch, I have to use one of
> the regular ports in order to get link lights. If I connect to the
> uplink port, no link.
> 
> Why would I get no link lights in the case of DSL modem <-> regular
> port, or dc0 NIC <-> uplink port? Do I need to use the uplink port
> at all in the new configuration?
> 
> 
> Question 2:
> From what I've read and what I've seen in rc.firewall, the above
> kernel and rc.conf configuration should be sufficient to have an
> open firewall. However, after boot, it appears that rc.firewall is
> not being run at all:
> 
> # ipfw list
> 65535 deny ip from any to any
> 
> And indeed, no packets go anywhere. If I go ahead and run
> rc.firewall, I get
> 
> # sh /etc/rc.firewall
> Flushed all rules.
> 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
> 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
> 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
> 65000 allow ip from any to any
> # ipfw list
> 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
> 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
> 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
> 65000 allow ip from any to any
> 65535 deny ip from any to any
> 
> which looks about right.
> 
> Why is /etc/rc.firewall not running on startup? Is this expected?
> 
> 
> Question 3:
> 
> After running rc.firewall, the FreeBSD box and a private box
> can ping each other at 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2, respectively. Each
> can also ping themselves at 127.0.0.1. So good, the local network
> is functional.
> 
> However, none of the boxes can ping the ISP's router at the other end
> of the DSL link (216.241.42.1).
> 
> What should I look at next?
> 
> TIA,
> Mike
> 
> 
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P Chandrasena wrote:
> I do not lnow how to unpack the *.iso file and make a CD.
> What do I do to unpack the *.iso file before making the CD?.
> Or, Should I unpack after making the CD ?.

No unpacking.

Your CD writer software should give you the option of creating a CD from
the ISO image file. In Easy CD Creator (Windows), it's in the File menu.


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The mediaopt half-duplex flag doesn't work with ep, at least on
4.2-STABLE from a couple of days ago.  The ep man page also does not
state it supports the full and half duplex mediaopt flags.  I tried that
before posting. ;-)

I had some time to do some further investigations with a cross over
cable and another FreeBSD box.  The ep0 in my laptop correctly auto
sensed both full and half-duplex at both 10baseT and 100baseTX speeds
when plugged into the other NIC (rl).  I'm now suspecting that there is
some kind of compatability problem between the 3c574-TX and my little
Linksys switch.  Unfortunately, its an unmanaged (dumb) switch that only
auto senses things, so I can't set anything on the switch side.  It also
looks like the 3c574-TX wants to be "auto only".  :-(  I decided to try
another OS on the laptop to see if the problem was the same, and it also
exists with SuSE 7.0 and Win98, neither of which lets you set the card
to anything but "auto" when it comes to speed and duplex.  So, at this
point it looks like the two "auto sensing only" pieces of hardware just
don't like each other.

My solution for now has been to go back to SuSE which supports my
Sohoware CardBus card.  I'd really rather run FreeBSD though.  Is anyone
out there using a 3c574-TX with a LinkSys 10/100 switch?

Otter wrote:
> 
> Janet,
> I have the same card, but can't test it because it's linked to a
> switch. I need full-duplex. Try using the mediaopt flag. ifconfig ep0
> a.b.c.d mediaopt half-duplex netmask 255.x.y.z should do it. The
> mediaopt flag is mentioned in the ifconfig man page.
> -Otter
> 
> }-----Original Message-----
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> }
> }
> }Is there a way to force a 3c574-TX PCMCIA NIC into half-duplex mode?
> }The ep driver doesn't seem to allow this.  My problem is that my
> }3c574-TX in my laptop will not work when plugged in to my
> }10/100 switch
> }- all the lights are on, but no traffic is ever sent or
> }received.  When
> }I plug the same NIC directly into another system with a cross over
> }cable, and its a half-duplex connection, things work just fine.  Any
> }suggestions?
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1- Hi. Do you know of a good and easy to follow manual for FreeBSD?
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Hi,
I was wondering if someone could recommend some tools for reporting usage of
sendmail and apache. Preferably something that can create a html document
with a graph of the amout of mail for sendmail or requests for Apache that
have been processed. Logs are great, but they can be time consuming when
loads get up.  I'd prefer something free and open source. Thanks

- Matt



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At 00:45 27/11/00 +0000, you wrote:

>1- Hi. Do you know of a good and easy to follow manual for FreeBSD?
>thanks, bye.

www.freebsd.org/handbook

"The Complete FreeBSD", Grey Lehey.

Also, this is a very BSDish and excellent book:

"Unix System Administration Handbook" Nemeth, Snyder, Seebass, Hein, 
publisher Prentice-Hall.

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Hello Rick,

Sunday, November 26, 2000, 21:14:42, you wrote:

RG> I confess, I've always been a bit of a Windows bigot.

that's OK, we understand. Would you, please, kindly resend
the troll anthem #n in plain text format?

that's for starters :)

then you can go do dejanews or bsd sites and browse through archives.
then... you painfully start thinking for yourself.
And we'll talk about mechanisms and algorythms for 1001 nights.

As for MSFT and NASDAQ, they are irrelevant. ( I am a derivative
trader by profession, so it makes harder for you start anything on
that front)


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A question like this belongs in advocacy lists, not freebsd-questions.
Freebsd-questions is for technical questions about the freebsd operating
system.  Try freebsd-advocacy or the newsgroups like
comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc 
For a good article by one of the FreeBSD developers see:
http://www.salon.com/tech/review/2000/11/17/hubbard_osx/index.html
it was oriented towards Mac OSX, but has good points.
	Another place to go to find out for yourself is www.tuxedo.org

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Howdy,

I posted a questions about a week ago. At that time, I installed
FreeBSD, but was stuggling. I got pretty frustrated and reinstalled
Linux thus about 400 emails got reformatted :-(

I have been using Debian for over a year, and Linux off and on for 3. I
have to admin a few BSD boxes as well as Linux boxes so wanted to learn
more about FreeBSD. I have got my hands the Handbook, and will try again
after redaing more. 

Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?

Thanks,
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Hi All and thanks for the pointers, but I still have a few problems.

my new perl script gets rid of the PCL code but I loose the
FORMAT.(spacing)

I'm using in my script 

s/\033.*?[A-Z]//g;

anybody got a PCL to text or PCL to html program ?


Thanks for all the help to date.


Steve.


On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Joel Mc Graw wrote:

> Steve the teco wrote:
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I have about 200 files to convert to plain text or better still html.
> > 
> > The problem is the text is full of printer codes
> > <SNIP>
> > ^[^[&a8R^[^[&f0S^[^[&a4C^[^[&f0S^[*c2221A^[*c95B^[*c15G^[*c2P^[*c4A^[*c1852B^[*c0P^[*c2221A^[*c4B^[*c0P^[*p+59Y^[*p
> > +200X^[^[(s0p10h0s3b4099TPROJECT
> > COST^[*p+330X^[*p-20Y^[^[(s0p17h0s3b4099T1999^[*p+40Y^[*p-85XActual^[*p-40Y^[*p+70
> > X2000^[*p+40Y^[*p-89XBudget^[*p-40Y^[^[&f0S
> > </SNIP>
> > 
> > Do I need a port or something to clean up this mess.
> > 
> > hope someone can help.
> > 
> > Thanks for your time.
> > 
> > Steve Hutson.
> > 
> 
> Steve,
> 
> These appear to be PCL codes--which is HP's printer control language
> (kinda like PostScript).  Notice that they appear to always begin with
> an escape character and end with a capital letter.
> 
> Using this info, writing a program/script to remove the codes should be
> fairly trivial.
> 



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David Banning wrote:
> 
> ifconfig tun0 now gives me several IP addresses;
> 
> tun0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>         inet 10.0.0.1 --> 10.0.0.2 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 216.191.74.173 --> 192.168.70.16 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 216.191.61.93 --> 192.168.70.7 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 207.245.46.138 --> 192.168.70.2 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 216.191.75.35 --> 192.168.70.17 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 216.191.75.242 --> 192.168.70.19 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 216.191.61.208 --> 192.168.70.8 netmask 0xffffffff
>         inet 216.191.74.104 --> 192.168.70.15 netmask 0xffffffff
>         Opened by PID 99
> 
> Why so many?

I would guess that you didn't finish the ppp installation and create a
ppp.linkup and ppp.linkdown that clear the old stuff.

Kent

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Hello,

I recently purchased a copy of the FreeBSD Toolkit v5.0. 
I wanted to try the version of StarOffice-3.1 that comes with the disks in
the Toolkit. I understand that i need to run the linux KLD in order to
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When I installed the FreeBSD operating system on my computer it asked if I
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I also checked my rc.conf file and it said LINUX_ENABLE = "NO". I changed it
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I then ran the kldstat program to see if the linux module was loaded but it
didn't appear to be.

I then typed the following:
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And the system responded with "No such command".

Can you please tell me what I need to do to get linux compatibility to work?
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Gene Harris wrote:
> For the connection [FreeBSD_box]---[DSL modem], you may need a cross
> over cable to connect the NIC to the DSL modem. 

Oh I think you misunderstood, and I didn't clarify about the cabling. The
connection between the BSD box and the DSL modem is fine, using the cable
that came with the DSL modem. The link failures occur when it's:

[DSL modem]-----[regular port on switch] using DSL modem's cable
or
[FreeBSD_box]---[uplink port on switch] using different cable

I hadn't tried every possible cable combination. I also think these
results are to be expected.

> Unless you need to perform static NAT, you do not need to redirect any
> addresses.

Ah, OK. You're right, I have no need to initiate connections to the boxes
behind the firewall, so no need for redirects.

>  My natd.conf looks like:
> log                     yes
> use_sockets             yes
> same_ports              yes
> unregistered_only       yes
> interface               xl0

Does the interface line here supercede natd_interface="xl0" in rc.conf?

> For the firewall to become active, you need to add
> firewall_enable="YES" to your /etc/rc.conf

Yeesh, can't believe I missed that. Thanks! This, plus making my natd.conf
look like yours did the trick. I also added 10.0.0.* entries in my
/etc/hosts file.

All seems to be well, at least with the open firewall. All boxes including
the BSD box can talk to the outside world, and to each other.

I appreciate the help here, especially in light of the fact that
the Complete FreeBSD, the Handbook and the man pages don't quite cover
everything one needs to do...

Thanks again.

-Mike


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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 02:53:17PM -0800, mike@hyperreal.org wrote:
> Crist J . Clark wrote:
> > natd(8) was not designed to work with one physical interface. It may
> > work, but if it doesn't you're kind of on your own. You might say it is
> > not a supported configuration.
> 
> OK, I'm still confused about NAT setup. I have successfully
> installed a 2nd NIC in the FreeBSD box and now have the
> following connections:
> 
> [private_box_1]----[ unmanaged ]
>                    [  switch   ]---[FreeBSD_box]---[DSL modem]
> [private_box_2]----[           ]
> 
> The kernel is configured with:
>   options IPFIREWALL
>   options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD

You probably do not need IPFIREWALL_FORWARD.

>   options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
>   options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=50
>   options IPDIVERT

>   options IPFILTER
>   options IPFILTER_LOG

These two are for IPFilter (ipf(8)), not the native FreeBSD IPFirewall
(ipfw(8)).

> /etc/rc.conf contains:
>   ifconfig_rl0="inet 216.241.42.159  netmask 255.255.255.0"
>   ifconfig_dc0="inet 10.0.0.1  netmask 255.255.255.0"
>   defaultrouter="216.241.42.1"
>   gateway_enable="YES"
>   natd_enable="YES"
>   natd_interface="rl0"
>   natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf"
>   firewall_type="open"

You are missing,

  firewall_enable="YES"

Which is the answer to your "Question 2."

> /etc/natd.conf contains:
>   log yes

Ouch. This can get big. You probably want to turn it off once you are
up and going.

>   use_sockets yes
>   same_ports yes
>   redirect_address 10.0.0.2 216.241.42.159
>   redirect_address 10.0.0.3 216.241.42.159

Hmmm... Do you really mean to have these redirect_address lines?

> rl0 is the public interface. The NIC for that interface is physically
> connected to the DSL modem. dc0 is physically connected to the switch.
> 
> The kernel's boot messages indicate that both links are up and active,
> and "IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based
> forwarding enabled, default to deny, logging limited to 50 packets/
> entry by default"

Great, everything is "go" with your kernel.

> and "IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized.  Default = pass
> all, Logging = enabled" ... everything as expected, I think.

As pointed out, this is a whole other dealie.

> First question:
> 
> Before, when I connected the DSL modem to the switch, I had to use
> the switch's uplink port. Connecting the modem to the other ports
> does not work (no link lights on the NIC or the switch).
> 
> Now, when I connect the dc0 NIC to the switch, I have to use one of
> the regular ports in order to get link lights. If I connect to the
> uplink port, no link.
> 
> Why would I get no link lights in the case of DSL modem <-> regular
> port, or dc0 NIC <-> uplink port? Do I need to use the uplink port
> at all in the new configuration?

Probably because the xmit and recv pairs on your DSL modem are
designed for it to be plugged into a NIC with a straight-through cable
or into an uplink port. The other possibility might be that it has the
normal xmit and recv pairs, but you are using a crossover cable to
hook it to the hub and now the NIC.

> Question 2:
> >From what I've read and what I've seen in rc.firewall, the above
> kernel and rc.conf configuration should be sufficient to have an
> open firewall. However, after boot, it appears that rc.firewall is
> not being run at all:
> 
> # ipfw list
> 65535 deny ip from any to any
> 
> And indeed, no packets go anywhere. If I go ahead and run
> rc.firewall, I get
> 
> # sh /etc/rc.firewall
> Flushed all rules.
> 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
> 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
> 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
> 65000 allow ip from any to any
> # ipfw list
> 00050 divert 8668 ip from any to any via rl0
> 00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
> 00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
> 65000 allow ip from any to any
> 65535 deny ip from any to any
> 
> which looks about right.
> 
> Why is /etc/rc.firewall not running on startup? Is this expected?

Got it above, missing 'firewall_enable="YES"'.

> Question 3:
> 
> After running rc.firewall, the FreeBSD box and a private box
> can ping each other at 10.0.0.1 and 10.0.0.2, respectively. Each
> can also ping themselves at 127.0.0.1. So good, the local network
> is functional.
> 
> However, none of the boxes can ping the ISP's router at the other end
> of the DSL link (216.241.42.1).
> 
> What should I look at next?

Run tcpdump on each interface when you are doing the pings from the
internal machine. Where are the packets getting lost? And to be safe,
is natd(8) running?

  $ ps axu | grep natd

You would have to start it manually since it won't run without
'firewall_enable' set.
-- 
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> >[Please wrap your lines at about 70 columns or so for 
> >those of us with RFC compliant MUAs. All of your 
> >paragraphs are on one line.]
> 
> Sorry about that; using iname's webmail client.
> 
> >> "Nov 25 13:44:47 saucer natd[147]: failed to write
> >> packet back (Permission denied)
> >> 
> >> Nov 25 13:44:53 saucer last message repeated 4 times
> >> "
> >> 
> >> My questions are: What's up with this? Is this due
> >> to my firewall rules, or something else? I have log 
> >>no set in /etc/natd.conf, and I'd rather not see
> >> this message if it's not affecting performance. I 
> >> never saw this before on my 3.4 system.
> 
> > This is due to a packet that was processed by >natd(8) being dropped later in the firewall rules.
> 
> >> If there are some relevant files I can attach to 
> >> help troubleshooting, please let me know.
> 
> >For the 'failed to write packet back' problem, a copy
> > of both
> >rc.firewall and output of 'ipfw show' are good if you >still need help
> >with those.
> 
> Well...after poking around a bit, I've determined that 
> the 'natd failed to write packet back' messages occur
> whenever there's a hit (from the outside world) on any 
> of the websites hosted on this machine.
> 
> But, I don't know why natd is seeing these. 

The divert(4) is your first rule. Any packet coming in the external
interface goes through natd(8).

> I've attached my rc.firewall (note, the outside IP isn't my real IP) and the output of 'ipfw show' (at the bottom of rc.firewall).

Looking at your 'ipfw show' output, I must say I am a bit puzzled. It
looks like everything is falling through the firewall? The only rule
with any matches is your 'DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT' rule at the end. You got
that from the running system with the 'permission denied' messages?
-- 
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what does all this mean though? 

Why is it after about 10days of uptime , alot of programs dont work right? 

On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:

> > su-2.04# netstat -m
> > 999/1088/4096 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> >         995 mbufs allocated to data
> >         4 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > 154/230/1024 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > 732 Kbytes allocated to network (23% of mb_map in use)
> > 0 requests for memory denied
> > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> 
> 
> indeed I get this too, here's my netstat -m
> 
> 93/528/18432 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
>         67 mbufs allocated to data
>         26 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> 64/186/4608 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> 504 Kbytes allocated to network (3% of mb_map in use)
> 0 requests for memory denied
> 0 requests for memory delayed
> 0 calls to protocol drain routines
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Kevin G. Eliuk wrote:

> 
> I know that this is more of an X question but I hope that someone may
> be able to help shed some preliminary information on this for me. 
> 
> The video hardware in question is an ASUS V6600 GeForce 256 Deluxe.
> 
> I am searching for the logistics of using this for strictly a TV-Out
> service for a looping memoboard application, and is the XFree86
> support currently going to do it for me. 
> 
> I have searched a number of lists and this specific topic is not
> discussed very much. 

I'll offer an expensive solution, since nobody has addressed the
question yet.

If you can find a way to get what you want on-screen with a normal VGA
card - perhaps a powerpoint-like solution such as StarOffice - you can
then use hardware to convert it down to video for distribution. 

To do this, you would use a "scan converter" box; it takes a VGA input
and produces a composite (NTSC, PAL, SECAM) video output. Such a box
will usually cost between $1000 and $10000US. Some vendors I know that
make such hardware:

Extron - Good stuff, but just a bit pricey.  Excellent tech support. 
Most equipment manuals available as PDFs on web site. 
http://www.extron.com/

Inline - As good as Extron, but costs less.  Most equipment manuals
available as PDFs on web site. http://www.inlineinc.com/

Analog Way - Gorgeous European equipment, costs more than Inline or
Extron. Data sheets available as PDFs on web site. 
http://www.analogway.com/ -> click on "Scan Converters."

Folsom Research - High end, near-mil-spec grade equipment. Works right
and doesn't break, but it will cost you. Data sheets available as PDFs
on web site. http://www.folsom.com/

Communications Specialties - "Scan Do" line has worked well for me. Data
sheets available as PDFs on web site.  http://www.commspecial.com/ These
guys also have a decent discussion of the issues at
http://www.commspecial.com/6misconc.htm, though it suffers from "MS Font
Syndrome." 

Disclaimer: I do this for a living. My employer sells some of the
equipment mentioned above.

HTH.

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Janet,
Sorry, no help from me on testing. I have an unmanaged switch also,
but mine's a D-Link. These NIC's aren't expensive. If you talk around
with others who have similar hardware, find out what pccard nic's they
use and buy one of those. You can find them on Ebay pretty cheap. Your
OS of choice should not be limited to what hardware you have in front
of you. If Linux does it for you, so be it. If you prefer FreeBSD, I
think you'll find a replacement NIC to be an investment, not an
expense.
-Otter


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}From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
}Janet Sullivan
}Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 7:10 PM
}To: Otter
}Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}Subject: Re: 3c574-TX PCMCIA NIC
}
}
}
}The mediaopt half-duplex flag doesn't work with ep, at least on
}4.2-STABLE from a couple of days ago.  The ep man page also does not
}state it supports the full and half duplex mediaopt flags.
}I tried that
}before posting. ;-)
}
}I had some time to do some further investigations with a cross over
}cable and another FreeBSD box.  The ep0 in my laptop correctly auto
}sensed both full and half-duplex at both 10baseT and 100baseTX speeds
}when plugged into the other NIC (rl).  I'm now suspecting
}that there is
}some kind of compatability problem between the 3c574-TX and my little
}Linksys switch.  Unfortunately, its an unmanaged (dumb)
}switch that only
}auto senses things, so I can't set anything on the switch
}side.  It also
}looks like the 3c574-TX wants to be "auto only".  :-(  I
}decided to try
}another OS on the laptop to see if the problem was the same,
}and it also
}exists with SuSE 7.0 and Win98, neither of which lets you
}set the card
}to anything but "auto" when it comes to speed and duplex.
}So, at this
}point it looks like the two "auto sensing only" pieces of
}hardware just
}don't like each other.
}
}My solution for now has been to go back to SuSE which supports my
}Sohoware CardBus card.  I'd really rather run FreeBSD
}though.  Is anyone
}out there using a 3c574-TX with a LinkSys 10/100 switch?
}
}Otter wrote:
}>
}> Janet,
}> I have the same card, but can't test it because it's linked to a
}> switch. I need full-duplex. Try using the mediaopt flag.
}ifconfig ep0
}> a.b.c.d mediaopt half-duplex netmask 255.x.y.z should do it. The
}> mediaopt flag is mentioned in the ifconfig man page.
}> -Otter
}>
}> }-----Original Message-----
}> }From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}> }[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
}> }Janet Sullivan
}> }Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 6:14 AM
}> }To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}> }Subject: 3c574-TX PCMCIA NIC
}> }
}> }
}> }Is there a way to force a 3c574-TX PCMCIA NIC into
}half-duplex mode?
}> }The ep driver doesn't seem to allow this.  My problem is that my
}> }3c574-TX in my laptop will not work when plugged in to my
}> }10/100 switch
}> }- all the lights are on, but no traffic is ever sent or
}> }received.  When
}> }I plug the same NIC directly into another system with a cross over
}> }cable, and its a half-duplex connection, things work just
}fine.  Any
}> }suggestions?
}> }
}> }
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or if you have another bsd box to install from, just mount the image.
no need to even burn the cd! not everyone has the resources to do
this, but the option exists. man vn.
-Otter


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}
}
}P Chandrasena wrote:
}> I do not lnow how to unpack the *.iso file and make a CD.
}> What do I do to unpack the *.iso file before making the CD?.
}> Or, Should I unpack after making the CD ?.
}
}No unpacking.
}
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>Here's my dilemma... I have a server that was running some chat scripts
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I have just installed two machines with FreeBSD 4.1.1. I'm trying to
set up SSH for my account (not root). When I installed FreeBSD I set
the security level to "medium" so I could telnet in while I figure
things out. It appears that the sshd for the "medium" setting uses
SSH1. Does the "high" security setting use SSH2? Should I care?

So far I have done the following to allow ssh connections from host A
to host B.

  * I ran 'ssh-keygen' on host A. I accepted the default file names. I
    entered a pass phrase when prompted. 

    What's the purpose of the passphrase? Do I need one?

  * I copied the contents of A:~/.ssh/identity.pub into
    B:~/.ssh/authorized_keys. 
  
The first time I ran 'ssh B' on host A I got the following:

  The authenticity of host 'B' can't be established.
  RSA key fingerprint is xx:xx:xx:....
  Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
  Warning: Permanently added 'B' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
  Enter passphrase for RSA key 'tayers@A.foo.net': 

and then I was logged into B. Is the "The authenticity of host 'B'"
message of any concern? Does it always say that when you connect to a
machine for the first time? Is there another step I should do to avoid
this warning?

Then I disconnect from B and connect again: 'ssh B'. It works without
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type the passphrase in all the time? Having to type the passphrase
makes doing 'ssh B <command>' from a script kind of troublesome.

Thanks a lot for your help and
Hope you have a very nice day, :-)
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Hi,

I have a Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B PCI Fast Ethernet Card and would like
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What version of FreeBSD is that?  It's probably no longer necessary to
type "linux" at the prompt (or it's out of date).  If you type 
kldstat, you should see
linux.ko.  If not, as root, load the kernel module, linux, with the
command kldload linux.  Then kldstat should see it loaded.

Then your linux stuff should work, without any special references to
the linux compat stuff in /usr/compat/linux.

So, you've done everything right, just something more to do.

Annelise


On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Matthew Peacock wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I recently purchased a copy of the FreeBSD Toolkit v5.0. 
> I wanted to try the version of StarOffice-3.1 that comes with the disks in
> the Toolkit. I understand that i need to run the linux KLD in order to
> achieve this.
> 
> When I installed the FreeBSD operating system on my computer it asked if I
> wanted linux compatibility and I said yes. After installation I checked the
> /usr/compat/linux directory and it seemed to have quite a few directories
> including lib, bin, sbin...
> 
> I also checked my rc.conf file and it said LINUX_ENABLE = "NO". I changed it
> to "YES" and rebooted.
> I then ran the kldstat program to see if the linux module was loaded but it
> didn't appear to be.
> 
> I then typed the following:
> #linux
> 
> And the system responded with "No such command".
> 
> Can you please tell me what I need to do to get linux compatibility to work?
> I think I have done everything right. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Matthew Peacock
> 
> 
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* Michael J. Ruhl <mruhl@cips.nokia.com> [001124 21:38]:
> Netscape.  When I run Netscape, it will load my home page, and then
> "hang".  Looking at top, I see that Netscape is using 99% of the cpu.

I recall that I had the same problem back to 4.0. That was the problem
of netscape itself, I remember somebody answered so in the Newsgroup.

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IF you mean you were dropped into single mode, then it will be simple.
Just to 'mount -u /' and then use vi to edit the fstab again.

Chen

* Travis Troyer <tmtroyer@hotmail.com> [001124 23:49]:
> I edited my fstab file to mount a second hard drive I have.  I made a 
> mistake, typing "/dec" instead of "/dev", now the system will not boot.  I 
> remember having a problem like this before, and somehow I got into a mode, 
> even though the os wouldn't load, where I typed "edit" and it allowed me to 
> edit the file, and reboot..  I absolutely cannot remember, or find how I did 
> this.  Anybody have any ideas?
> 
> Also, this is another problem I have fixed awhile ago, but forgot how :)  
> When I connect to telnet or the ftp server, it takes forever for the login 
> to come up.  Before I was told to comment out a line, I beleive, that had to 
> do with resoliving the hostname?
> 
> Any help with either problem would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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P Chandrasena writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I do not lnow how to unpack the *.iso file and make a CD.
> What do I do to unpack the *.iso file before making the CD?.
> Or, Should I unpack after making the CD ?.

No unpacking. Its not a bad idead to use md5 to make sure the big file 
isn't broken.

If you are already running FreeBSD and have an ATAPI/IDE CD-R then 
something like this will create the cd:

# burncd -f /dev/acd0c data 4.2-install.iso fixate

Probably want to read the burncd manpage as I am not sure what happens
when you fail to specify -s speed. I've only burned one, and at 12x with
the "-s 12" option, and it worked perfectly the first time. And yes, I 
saw 1.79MB/sec on the device using "systat -v" during the burn.

If you have a scsi CD-R then you need the cdrecord port. The command 
line is different but the idea is the same.

If you have Windows or Mac then you need the appropriate utilities for 
thost machines.

As others have mentioned if you have a FreeBSD machine, and if it has 
the vn device compiled in the kernel (GENERIC as of recently) the you 
can:

# vnconfig vn0c 4.2-install.iso
# mount -t cd9669 /dev/vn0c /mnt

And play with the contents that way. For example I wasn't sure my new 
CD-RW and $0.13/disc media really worked. So I mounted the image, and 
the new CD-R, and let "diff -r --brief /mnt /cdrom" crunch for 20 
minutes or so until I realized its probably walking thru all of 
packages/All and packages/*/* because it doesn't know about hard links 
and that those files are the same and about 3/4 of the disc.

Did find the CHECKSUM.TXT file listed a thing or two that wasn't there, 
and at least one thing that was there. Jordan said on the second roll 
of 4.2.0-RELEASE that he was adding something. Apparently in the haste 
CHECKSUM.TXT didn't get updated.

Then to clean up what you just did first unmount the filesystem, then
unconfigure the vnode to detach the file you attached to it earlier:

# umount /mnt
# vnconfig -u vn0c


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Jack Morgan writes:
> Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
> System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?

Linux is not based on anything, but most try to keep Linux in adherence
to POSIX standards. But the fact most all Linux distributions use a
Sys-V-like init, one could say Linux most closely resembles Sys-V. Once
Upon A Time, Slackware used to provide an option for either init.

FreeBSD *is* BSD. The real thing. Not a clone.

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I keep getting these messages in the /var/log/message output:

Nov 25 15:12:30 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
from 127.0.0.1:2844
Nov 25 15:13:54 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
from 127.0.0.1:2851


I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is
"biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail
?  I dont see biff running in the process list.


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Hi all. I've just had to go to Linsux, uhm, Linux due to some compatibility 
issues. I've tried mandrake and redhat but it seems they are too unstable to 
use.

I'm thinking of going back to freebsd but there are certain issues that 
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1) I need to do some serious software development with JBuilder. I've only 
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I have to use some sort of linux emulation? If yes, how fast and reliable is 
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2) How good is KDE 2 support in FreeBSD 2?

3) I am using a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. Is FreeBSD compatible with that?

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Cliff

Hmm....I apologize for my lack of attention to the message then.  I see now 
what I did.  Sorry about that. :)  Unix is great though eh?

- Jim


At 02:18 PM 11/26/2000 +0100, you wrote:
>Hey Jim,
>Errm. The enquiry over which UNIX to learn was not from me..
>I have worked on UNIX systems for about 25 years ... :)
>I was objecting to an unfriendly response the enquirer got..
>isn't there something called FreeBSD advocacy ?
>
>Cliff
>
>On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 04:19:33AM -0500, Jim Conner wrote:
> > Hey Cliff,
> >
> > I work for a telecommunications company and we use a TON of Solaris.  But
> > really, if you just need to know the basic of Unix, any unix-alike can
> > provide that.  I started with Linux, moved over to FreeBSD, and then not
> > too long after that got into DEC, HP, Solaris, and AIX.  Now, I mostly 
> work
> > with Solaris.  There are subtle differences between the various
> > flavors.  The bigger differences don't become apparent until you start
> > coding in the various environments.  The way these flavors perform memory
> > management, swapping, etc.  So, I can safely suggest (from personal
> > experience) that FreeBSD would be fine to study...but I truly think for
> > beginners that some flavor of Linux is best.  I don't know how many others
> > on this list would back me on that, but as a personal thought, I offer you
> > that.
> >
> > Happy Unix'ing :)  UNIX RULES!  WINDBLOWZ...er eh hem...nevermind.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> > At 07:17 AM 11/26/2000 +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > >On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 03:56:37PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
> > > > raf ar wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > with the different flavors of unix, i dont know which one to 
> learn, im a
> > > > > telecommunications student at devry and i know sooner or later i 
> will be
> > > > > working on unix systems whether i like it or not, i have been 
> reading the
> > > > > handbook in freebsd.org AND I FIND FREEBSD VERY INTERESTING, NOW MY
> > > QUESTION
> > > > > IS, WHAT FLAVOR OF UNIX WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME TO LEARN, IS FREE
> > > BSD THE
> > > > > CHOICE? KINDLY REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL, THNX...THEEO
> > > >
> > > >       If you write to a freebsd list, what do you think we're going to
> > > > recommend, linux? :)
> > > >
> > >Give the guy a break ! He is asking for information not
> > >smart-ass remarks.
> > >
> > >Cliff
> > >
> > >
> > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
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> >
> >
> > - Jim
> > - NOTJames
> > - jconner@enterit.com
> >
> > - 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> contrast:                                           |
> > - | Windows - "Invalid page fault in module kernel32.dll at 
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> > - | UNIX    - "segmentation fault - core 
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Jason,

For grins and giggles...try this before starting vi

export TERM=vt100

unless your shell (echo $SHELL) is [t]csh.  If it is then you should try

setenv TERM vt100

Im not guaranteeing that that this will work, but its a start.
- Jim



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>Jason,
>When I was in college, I chose to skip Mind Reading 1101 classes and
>smoke weed instead, I have no idea what term settings you have
>currently. Maybe you could provide that info or find someone who
>attended the classes.
>-Otter
>
>
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>}Subject: ssh / linux and of course.. vi..
>}
>}
>}when i ssh to our linux machines at work and try editing/viewing
>}something in vi, it all goes to shit.  (everything is on 1 line) i
>}know this is not an ssh problem, but something i need to do with
>}my term i persume.  any help would be mucho appreciated.
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Jung,

Also, make sure that the terminal server doesn't have a setting that will 
disallow such a thing.  There are terminal servers that will automagically 
disallow multiple logins.

- Jim

At 09:53 AM 11/26/2000 -0500, Troy Settle wrote:

>Jung,
>
>To prevent multiple logins, you'll need to use a radiusd that supports this.
>For FreeBSD, you can use cistron radiusd, which can be found in
>/usr/ports/net/radiusd-cistron/
>
>Please see http://www.freeradius.org/ for help in setting this up.  The FAQ
>is terse, but very helpful.
>
>
>
>--
>   Troy Settle
>   Pulaski Networks
>   540.994.4254
>
>It's always a long day, 86400 doesn't fit into a short.
>
>
>
>** -----Original Message-----
>** From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>** [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Zero Sum
>** Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 12:19 AM
>** To: Jung-an Fan
>** Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>** Subject: Re: radius & limit login times
>**
>**
>** On Friday 24 November 2000 15:06, Jung-an Fan wrote:
>** > On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Zero Sum wrote:
>** >
>** > > On Thursday 23 November 2000 20:56, Jung-an Fan wrote:
>** > > > If user A dialed up, then no one can use User A's password
>** to dialup
>** > > > when user A is online.
>** > > > How to achieve this ?
>** > > > thx.
>** > > >
>** > > In the system profile, check to see if the user has another
>** login shell
>** > > (this will be prefaced by a '-').  If they have, then exit.
>** Since the
>** > > system profiles are (or should be) dot executed, the shell will then
>** exit
>** > > and the next thing seen should be the login prompt (or connection
>** dropped
>** > > by foreign host for telnet).
>** > >
>** > > That should do the trick...
>** > >
>** > > Geoff
>** > Uh...I mean if someone use USER A's password to dialup,
>** > then no one can use USER A's password to dialup again
>** > (when USER A is using dialup)
>**
>** Yes, I understood.  How does that I suggested nfail to give you what you
>** want?
>**
>** --
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On Monday 27 November 2000 00:32, Roop Nanuwa wrote:
> I don't have anything important to add, but Chris' message
>

snip
> >
> > The way I see it, every user I help introduce into FreeBSD
> > (anything to break the hold of the Borg) is one more addition
> > to the cause... Which to my understaning is one of our goals
> > here people, yes?
> >
> > </ramble>
> >
> > My 2 cents...
> > Chris Wasser
> >

Nope.. there are some people I just do not want to be sharing bandwidth with 
and screaming petulant toddlers are high on the last.....I can get that at 
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Ryan,

    Biff, from my understanding, is simply the notice you recieve that says
you have new e-mail when you receive e-mail. I have yet to see it running,
but I am not usually around to see it.

    I personally have it blocked off via ipfirewall and haven't seen a
problem yet.

-jwp

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> I keep getting these messages in the /var/log/message output:
>
> Nov 25 15:12:30 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> from 127.0.0.1:2844
> Nov 25 15:13:54 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> from 127.0.0.1:2851
>
>
> I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is
> "biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail
> ?  I dont see biff running in the process list.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
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>I have a Intel EtherExpress Pro/100B PCI Fast Ethernet Card and would like
>it to run on FreeBSD 2.2.2. How can i get hold of the friver for this
>product? Please advice.

   The card works with the "fxp" driver, which comes with FreeBSD 2.2.2.

-DG

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Matthew Peacock <Mattp@innerrange.com.au> types:
> Hello,
> 
> I recently purchased a copy of the FreeBSD Toolkit v5.0. 
> I wanted to try the version of StarOffice-3.1 that comes with the disks in
> the Toolkit. I understand that i need to run the linux KLD in order to
> achieve this.
> 
> When I installed the FreeBSD operating system on my computer it asked if I
> wanted linux compatibility and I said yes. After installation I checked the
> /usr/compat/linux directory and it seemed to have quite a few directories
> including lib, bin, sbin...

Was there anything in them?

> I also checked my rc.conf file and it said LINUX_ENABLE = "NO". I changed it
> to "YES" and rebooted.
> I then ran the kldstat program to see if the linux module was loaded but it
> didn't appear to be.

Huh - that should have been fixed at install time.

> I then typed the following:
> #linux
> 
> And the system responded with "No such command".

That's right, there is no such command. Linux "emulation" is a
misnomer; there isn't a program you run that "emulates" linux; instead
there is a layer in the kernel that emulates the linux system
calls. It should be called Linux "compatability" mode, as that's all
that's really going on.

> Can you please tell me what I need to do to get linux compatibility to work?
> I think I have done everything right. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Looks like you've done everything you need to. Linux binaries should
now run as well as they do on a Linux distro consisting of what you
have installed in /usr/compat/linux. StarOffice seems to be
someone flaky when installing it as a port, though - lots of people
have problems getting it to work. However, if you haven't, you should
try installing it.

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On Sunday, 26 November 2000 at 22:18:19 -0600, David Kelly wrote:
> Jack Morgan writes:
>> Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
>> System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?
>
> Linux is not based on anything, but most try to keep Linux in adherence
> to POSIX standards.

Linux does have some foundations in Minix, but I'm not sure how far
they go.  I think things like the Linux device driver interface may be
related to Minix.  They're definitely very different from the System V
and BSD interface.

> But the fact most all Linux distributions use a Sys-V-like init, one
> could say Linux most closely resembles Sys-V.

I've heard this before, but I think it's bogus.  Most users don't even
know what init is.

> FreeBSD *is* BSD. The real thing. Not a clone.

Correct.

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At 12:35 AM 11/27/2000 +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
>On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 12:47:57PM -0800, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> > of help.  I don't believe in screaming RTFM to calm (although repeated)
> > questions, from newbies.  You sit and think THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED
> > 1,000,000 TIMES.
>I believe that point people at manuals and sources of more lengthy
>explanations is a good thing to do.
>Saying RTFM is offensive, trite and arrogant.
>People who feel compelled to say it should stay out of news groups
>whee Newbies are likely to ask questions, or not say anything at all.


This is exactly what I was *trying* to say but didn't quite say it 
correctly :)  Heh, newbies will most likely ask what the heck RTFM means!! :)


> > But from the other point of view, that person has only
> > asked the question once, and is honestly trying to become a new member of
> > the FreeBSD community.
>Exactly !
>
>Cliff


We should never lose sight of the fact that we will NEVER learn everything 
about the computer.  We should try to remain humble about what we do know 
and we should always endeavor to learn more about computers.  I mean 
EVERYTHING about the computer; past, present, and  future.  I really 
honestly feel that a previous point about M$ making everything so "simple" 
for the end user has truly blemished our society when it comes to the end 
user and the computer.

I was one of those who's first computer was a Commodore Vic 20!  My first 
PC was a Dos 3.3 machine.  It was a tandy 8086 just after the trash 80.  I 
will never forget the time I had trying to learn DOS.  I didn't ask 
anyone...I just tinkered and it took me a good few days before I actually 
got the computer to do something recognizable to a beginner.  I had the DOS 
books there but didn't quite understand them.  Of course I was only in 8th 
grade in Jr high at the time.  But time went on.  I learned DOS and Windows 
3.0, then 3.1, on up to Windows 95 (which I hesitated to do).  Then I was 
exposed to this telnet thing :).  Telnet was a Unix thing, I learned.  I 
bought my first Unix book "Unix for Dummies".  Now, here I am and my only 
regret is that I didn't start with Unix as a young child.

People these days are spoiled...and it really chaps my hide when I realize 
that the usual computer end user refuses to learn why a computer does what 
it does.  They take on this attitude of "I just want it to work" and "I 
don't care how it works, I just want to use it".  What this tells me is 
that people don't care what happens as long as they are capable of 
remaining in their own little bubble and it doesn't matter at who's 
expense.  It isn't the people who try that bother me.  It is the people 
that don't put forth any effort whatsoever in learning even their own 
bubble.  They rely on others to fix their own problems.  Perhaps this is 
one of the most frustrating things to me.

I didn't mean to make this big to do on this subject as it does not even 
pertain to the mailing lists subject matter anymore...so without further 
delay I close this and say...its my  $(echo "\$ $(echo "1 - .98" | bc)") 
cents worth.


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At 05:01 PM 11/27/2000 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
>On Sunday, 26 November 2000 at 22:18:19 -0600, David Kelly wrote:
> > Jack Morgan writes:
> >> Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
> >> System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?
> >
> > Linux is not based on anything, but most try to keep Linux in adherence
> > to POSIX standards.
>
>Linux does have some foundations in Minix, but I'm not sure how far
>they go.  I think things like the Linux device driver interface may be
>related to Minix.  They're definitely very different from the System V
>and BSD interface.
>
> > But the fact most all Linux distributions use a Sys-V-like init, one
> > could say Linux most closely resembles Sys-V.

I agree with this.  I haven't heard it from anyone, I made this decision on 
my own.  I have worked with BSD and Sys-V machines and I think Linux most 
closely resembles the Sys-V like init at least in the way startup scripts 
are run and where they are kept, Init run levels, and the like...etc.

- Jim


>I've heard this before, but I think it's bogus.  Most users don't even
>know what init is.
>
> > FreeBSD *is* BSD. The real thing. Not a clone.
>
>Correct.
>
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* Alexander Batzios <alex_b@MailAndNews.com> [001126 21:44] wrote:
> Hi all. I've just had to go to Linsux, uhm, Linux due to some compatibility 
> issues. I've tried mandrake and redhat but it seems they are too unstable to 
> use.
> 
> I'm thinking of going back to freebsd but there are certain issues that 
> concern me. 
> 1) I need to do some serious software development with JBuilder. I've only 
> seen JBuilder and Java for Linux. Is there a chance they'll run on FreeBSD? Do 
> I have to use some sort of linux emulation? If yes, how fast and reliable is 
> it?
> 
> 2) How good is KDE 2 support in FreeBSD 2?
> 
> 3) I am using a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. Is FreeBSD compatible with that?

1) good, let us know if you have any problems though
2) good
3) i remeber seeing some mail that it is.

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        I have a SkyStar1 antenna and I want to put this under FreeBSD.
Are you have drivers under FreeBsd for this ? If you have please tell me
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I am trying to update my website automatically, but
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On Monday 27 November 2000 03:45, mike johnson wrote:
> what does all this mean though?
>
> Why is it after about 10days of uptime , alot of programs dont work right?
>
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> > > su-2.04# netstat -m
> > > 999/1088/4096 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> > >         995 mbufs allocated to data
> > >         4 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > > 154/230/1024 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > > 732 Kbytes allocated to network (23% of mb_map in use)
> > > 0 requests for memory denied
> > > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> >
> > indeed I get this too, here's my netstat -m
> >
> > 93/528/18432 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> >         67 mbufs allocated to data
> >         26 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > 64/186/4608 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > 504 Kbytes allocated to network (3% of mb_map in use)
> > 0 requests for memory denied
> > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
>
long shot, but are you running an older version of fetchmail?. I had buffer 
problems prior to upgrading to fetchmail release 5.5.6


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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mark Rowlands wrote:
> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:49:35 +0100
> To: Jeremiah Gowdy <jgowdy@home.com>
> From: Mark Rowlands <mark.rowlands@minmail.net>
> Subject: Re: no buffer space?
> 
> On Monday 27 November 2000 03:45, mike johnson wrote:
> > what does all this mean though?
> >
> > Why is it after about 10days of uptime , alot of programs dont work
> right?
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> > > > su-2.04# netstat -m
> > > > 999/1088/4096 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> > > >         995 mbufs allocated to data
> > > >         4 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > > > 154/230/1024 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > > > 732 Kbytes allocated to network (23% of mb_map in use)
> > > > 0 requests for memory denied
> > > > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> > >
> > > indeed I get this too, here's my netstat -m
> > >
> > > 93/528/18432 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> > >         67 mbufs allocated to data
> > >         26 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > > 64/186/4608 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > > 504 Kbytes allocated to network (3% of mb_map in use)
> > > 0 requests for memory denied
> > > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> >
> long shot, but are you running an older version of fetchmail?. I had
> buffer 
> problems prior to upgrading to fetchmail release 5.5.6
> 

no im not. I dunno what the problem is. Why after aobut a week or so of
uptime all my sockets are like 'dead' 


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> > > indeed I get this too, here's my netstat -m
> > >
> > > 93/528/18432 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> > >         67 mbufs allocated to data
> > >         26 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > > 64/186/4608 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > > 504 Kbytes allocated to network (3% of mb_map in use)
> > > 0 requests for memory denied
> > > 0 requests for memory delayed
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> >
> long shot, but are you running an older version of fetchmail?. I had
buffer
> problems prior to upgrading to fetchmail release 5.5.6

Nope




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Thanks for all who posted, I will give FreeBSD another try after I read
the Handbook in more detail.


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On Monday 27 November 2000 06:43, Alexander Batzios wrote:
> Hi all. I've just had to go to Linsux, uhm, Linux due to some compatibility
> issues. I've tried mandrake and redhat but it seems they are too unstable
> to use.
>
> I'm thinking of going back to freebsd but there are certain issues that
> concern me.
> 1) I need to do some serious software development with JBuilder. I've only
> seen JBuilder and Java for Linux. Is there a chance they'll run on FreeBSD?


No idea but there is generic support for java.  

Port:   jdk-1.1.8
Path:   /usr/ports/java/jdk
Info:   Sun's Java Developers Kit
Maint:  nate@FreeBSD.org - maybe this guy can help you more



> Do I have to use some sort of linux emulation? If yes, how fast and
> reliable is it?

Probably, reasonably,quite.


> 2) How good is KDE 2 support in FreeBSD 2?

/usr/ports/x11/kde2    Well I use it and it mostly works and I am mostly 	
happy with it


> 3) I am using a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. Is FreeBSD compatible with that?

Greg Lehey has got one...so it probably works

Hope that is of some use.


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On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 04:03:13PM -0800, Wahyudi Gunawan wrote:
> esd: Esound sound daemon already running or stale UNIX
> socket
> /home/wgunawan/.esd/socket
> This socket already exist indicating esd is already
> running
> Exiting...
rm -f /home/wgunawan/.esd/socket 

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Hi all,

   About softupdates: I've got softupdates running on my /usr partition
(using the instructions on mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/softup.html) and I
have a simple question:

	Is there any need to use softupdates on the / or the /var
partitions? I know there's very little I/O on these partitions compared to
/usr.. but still.. is there any necessity?

RSN



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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 11:26:20PM -0800, Roop Nanuwa wrote:
> 	Is there any need to use softupdates on the / or the /var
> partitions? I know there's very little I/O on these partitions compared to
_I_ use softupdates on all except /
Works fine, I mean no data loss etc. But, because /usr is virtually
ReadOnly (in my case) you will not receive many benefits from
SoftUpdates. /var have many writes/reads: log files, mail etc. Also
good candidate is /usr/home (or /home).

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well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V and the
closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.  Linux is based largely in
Posix.  You'll remember that BSD was originally developed using the AT&T
code and while it contains no AT&T code today, linux never did.


peace,
brian


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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Jack Morgan wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> I posted a questions about a week ago. At that time, I installed
> FreeBSD, but was stuggling. I got pretty frustrated and reinstalled
> Linux thus about 400 emails got reformatted :-(
>
> I have been using Debian for over a year, and Linux off and on for 3. I
> have to admin a few BSD boxes as well as Linux boxes so wanted to learn
> more about FreeBSD. I have got my hands the Handbook, and will try again
> after redaing more.
>
> Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
> System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?
>
> Thanks,
> --
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what about tru64? 
in the 'family tree' of unix its the only thing that doesnt branch off
On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, brian william wolter wrote:
> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:15:39 -0600 (CST)
> To: Jack Morgan <j-morgan@gol.com>
> From: brian william wolter <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> Subject: Re: Linux vs. FreeBsd (reposted)
> 
> well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V and the
> closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.  Linux is based largely in
> Posix.  You'll remember that BSD was originally developed using the AT&T
> code and while it contains no AT&T code today, linux never did.
> 
> 
> peace,
> brian
> 
> 
> 		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> 
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Jack Morgan wrote:
> 
> > Howdy,
> >
> > I posted a questions about a week ago. At that time, I installed
> > FreeBSD, but was stuggling. I got pretty frustrated and reinstalled
> > Linux thus about 400 emails got reformatted :-(
> >
> > I have been using Debian for over a year, and Linux off and on for 3. I
> > have to admin a few BSD boxes as well as Linux boxes so wanted to learn
> > more about FreeBSD. I have got my hands the Handbook, and will try
> again
> > after redaing more.
> >
> > Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
> > System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Jack Morgan		System Administrator, Exodus Communications
> > Phone/Fax:	        (03) 5334-1770/5334-1771
> > Email:		        j-morgan@gol.com
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
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On Monday, 27 November 2000 at  2:15:39 -0600, brian william wolter wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Jack Morgan wrote:
>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I posted a questions about a week ago. At that time, I installed
>> FreeBSD, but was stuggling. I got pretty frustrated and reinstalled
>> Linux thus about 400 emails got reformatted :-(
>>
>> I have been using Debian for over a year, and Linux off and on for 3. I
>> have to admin a few BSD boxes as well as Linux boxes so wanted to learn
>> more about FreeBSD. I have got my hands the Handbook, and will try again
>> after redaing more.
>>
>> Now, my question: How different are they? I beleive Linux is based on
>> System V and FreeBSd is based on 4.4 BSD, so what does that mean?
>
> well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V

No, this is not correct.  System V is closer to being a descendent of
BSD.  There was no feedback in the other direction.

> and the closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.

Well, no, that would be System V.

>  Linux is based largely in Posix.

It conforms largely to Posix.  So does System V.

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Chris,

I hope you don't mind me copying this back to -questions.  I feel that other
folks would benefit from this discourse.


** From: cfedde@fedde.littleton.co.us
** Subject: Re: Gentle request... FIX YOUR MUA!
**
**
** I'll agree that our opinions on this differ. MUA, like text-editors
** turn out to be an area that is fraught with personal preferences.
** Perhaps outlook provides all that you need in an MUA and with proper
** customization by competent individuals it can be made to send and
** view mail in a usable and polite way.  But the default settings
** as shipped are broken and exhibit an ignorance and disregard for
** community standards that borders on criminal.

Oh God that is so true.  Perhaps I should have stuck with a MUA under my
shell, but the ``experiment'' with Outlook got me hooked.  Besides, it only
takes about 2 minutes to change the defaults to reasonable settings (once
you figure out which menus to click on :).

**
** You, at least understand the limitations of your chosen environment.
** I applaud your willingness to adapt.  So often the first reaction
** is to quickly respond with denial that a problem exists.
**

Even though I use Outlook for email, I don't like HTML formatted mail at all
(let alone the poorly formatted crap that Exchange tends to spew).  The
absolute worst though, are the damned Word documents that my lawyers send me
(ok for real documents, but not general correspondence).

I don't get to gripe too often though.  Most people who email me directly
are my customers, and it's difficult to correct them when they're the one's
paying my bills and hopefully making me rich.  I just pray that they
eventually find a friend or relative that can lend them a clue.

**
** I should point out though that X- stands for extension not experimental.
** A quick glance at the RFC would have shown this.
**

Oops, my bad.  I've not actually needed to grok the RFC yet.  I actually
found `experimental' in another document.  It sounded good, so it got
inserted into my gray-matter dictionary.  Foul entry corrected.

ciao,

-Troy



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I wanted to do the same thing with a site I was working on and updating frequently.  Here's what I threw together:

On my workstation I have a shell script called syncronize.  Here it is:

#!/bin/sh
tar cvzf - directory_to_publish | ssh username@server ./server_sync

Keep in mind for this to work, the directory_to_publish must be a subdirectory of the directory syncronize is in.  You can change this as you like by altering the tar flags.

On the server I made a shell script in my home directory called server_sync:

#!/bin/sh
dd of=tmp.tar.gz
rm -R /path/to/website/root/directory/*
tar xvzf tmp.tar.gz -C /path/to/website/root/directory/
rm tmp.tar.gz

That's about it...  It's pretty crude, but it works for what I need it to do.

-Ben

On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 01:48:18AM -0500, David Banning wrote:
> I am trying to update my website automatically, but
> as far as I can see, there is no way to use ftp from a script.
> 
> Am am now looking at ssh/scp but I find it confusing.
> 
> Can anyone suggest how I can do what I want?
> 
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FTP from a script is easy

#!/bin/ksh

USER="whoever"
PASSWORD="whatever"

ftp_function() {
     # Connect with non-interactive ftp session (-i)
     # and restrain attempt to auto-login (-n)
     # ftp(1)
     ftp -ni << EOT

     # Login
     echo "$USER"
     echo "$PASSWORD"

     # change local dir (if necessary)
     echo "lcd $localDir"

     # change remote directory (if necessary)
     echo "cd $remoteDir"

     # change to binary transfer (use "as" for
     # an ascii transfer)
     echo "bi"

     # get your files.  Use echo "mput $files"
     # to put files to the remote side.
     echo "mget $files"

     # wave goodbye.
     echo "by"
EOT
}

files=$(ls /path/*.ext)
remoteDir="/PATH/To/REMOTE"
localDir="/PATH/TO/LOCAL"

ftp_function

Its late...so if I got anything wrong, I apologize.

- Jim


At 02:36 AM 11/27/2000 -0600, Ben Weaver wrote:
>I wanted to do the same thing with a site I was working on and updating 
>frequently.  Here's what I threw together:
>
>On my workstation I have a shell script called syncronize.  Here it is:
>
>#!/bin/sh
>tar cvzf - directory_to_publish | ssh username@server ./server_sync
>
>Keep in mind for this to work, the directory_to_publish must be a 
>subdirectory of the directory syncronize is in.  You can change this as 
>you like by altering the tar flags.
>
>On the server I made a shell script in my home directory called server_sync:
>
>#!/bin/sh
>dd of=tmp.tar.gz
>rm -R /path/to/website/root/directory/*
>tar xvzf tmp.tar.gz -C /path/to/website/root/directory/
>rm tmp.tar.gz
>
>That's about it...  It's pretty crude, but it works for what I need it to do.
>
>-Ben
>
>On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 01:48:18AM -0500, David Banning wrote:
> > I am trying to update my website automatically, but
> > as far as I can see, there is no way to use ftp from a script.
> >
> > Am am now looking at ssh/scp but I find it confusing.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest how I can do what I want?
> >
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Hello, 
Sybase just announced next release of ASE 11.0.3 for Linux. 
Also, they have tarballs for FreeBSD with Linux ABI with instructions.
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http://linux.sybase.com/ase/11033download.html

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Hello,

        I am a telecommunication engineering student from UPC
(Polytechnic University ofCatalonia). I am writing this mail to you
because I would like to get the FreeBSD 3.0 version. I have been
searching for it unsuccessfully through the
ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha
directory, and also through the
ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386 directory.
	It seems like the earlier Free BSD version I can get from those
directories is FreeBSD 3.4, so I would be very pleased if you could tell
me how can I get the 3.0 version.
 
        I would also like to ask two more questions:

        1) If some software runs correctly on FreeBSD 3.0, can I install
it on an upgraded FreeBSD version without any problems? 

        2) Which is the difference between the following:

                        "3.4.-Release"
                        "3.4.-Stable"


        Thank you.


                        Carles Gómez Montenegro
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 08:59:31PM -0800, Keatings wrote:
> hey im new to freebsd linux and i was wonderin the exact site or ftp where i can get all the files i need to start freebsd
Hello, 
Primo, 
there is not such beast as FreeBSD Linux :-) Ok, There is Linux
ABI layer in FreeBSD, so FreeBSD can _emulate_ Linux
Secundo, 
http://www.freebsd.org

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Dear Sirs,

I have a notebook of NEC PC-9821 Na12/H10.
Now i wann install freeBSD on it, so first i made a
boot floppies of 3.5"(1.44M),and booted up the computer,
and executed all boot files(two floppies),system prompted
to insert floppy disk to install OS.

Before above work done, i have downloaded bin98.inf and
bin98.aa , bin98.ab,....
and in our pure DOS environment, i used FDIMAGE command to
copy bin98.inf to floppy disk,and inserted it into floppy
drive. but system said "error mounting floppy fdo (/dev/fdo.1440)
on  /dist: Invalid argument"

I didn't know how to proceed further.

I can affirm it was ok to boot system before starting installation
from floppies, the problem is installation floppies.
it should be insert floppy contenting bin98.inf first ?
or first inserting floppy contenting bin98.aa?
Or is there has any other problems?

Thanks for your help in advance!

Yours sincerely,

Liu Qi Zhong
From China




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** Reply to note from Tim McMillen <timcm@umich.edu> Sun, 26 Nov 2000 17:50:39 -0500 (EST) 
 
 
> > >If you need to change the settings on the card you have to boot into dos   
> > >and use the 3COM utility (it is available on their website.)   
> >    
> > I tried this, I can set the card to full-duplex, but when I boot BSD the full-duplex LED   
on     
> > my switch is off.   
> > If I reboot into DOS and try the setup utility again, it still says that the card is     
> > configured for full-duplex.   
> > Any hint?   
>   
> Beyond that no.  Except have you tried forcing it to be full duplex with  
> ifconfig?  try the ifconfig man page.  I've never had to do that, so try  
> the manpage 
 
AFAIK ifconfig can't set a 3c509 to full-duplex, the only options the ep drivers allow are   
to select the connector to use. 
 
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** Reply to note from Ryan Breding <rbreding@drizzle.theriver.nu> Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:44:59   
-0600 (CST) 
 
 
> I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is  
> "biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail  
> ?  I dont see biff running in the process list. 
 
From "man mail.local": 
 
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So, I just got rid of this by commenting biff in /etc/services. 
 
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> * mattman@mattcave.net <mattman@mattcave.net> [001125 19:25] wrote:
> > The biggest problem with fucking unix and fucking unix cloned turds
>
> [snip]
>
> Did you eat paint chips when you were a child?
>
> I'm sorry if basic computer literacy is beyond your grasp, to cope
> I would suggest staying away from computers in general, the world
> would be much better off.
>
> best of luck,
> --
> -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
> "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk."
>
>

This isn't the first post like this that this guy has made to the
list...maybe someone should consider blocking him...for a real laugh, check
out his web page at www.mattcave.net.  He's not a very good speller, that's
for sure. (and he had an ugly baby as well.)  :)

Josh

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Hi Everyone,

I'm in a real bind here and hope someone can help me find my way out of
it.  I have a Dell Latitude CS laptop, on which I run WinNT and
4.0-RELEASE.  I went to upgrade some of the NT power management features,
and my system was totally hosed.  I went to boot back up, got BSOD, went
to boot up again, didn't even get that far: "missing kernel DLL."  To make
a long story short, my partition table seems to be fscked up in every
sense of the word, and I can't boot and I can't install anything.  I can
boot of a DOS floppy and see my precious D: drive where all my data is,
however.  I'm going to have to wipe the drive top to bottom and reinstall
everything from scratch, but before I do I'd really love to get the ~1GB
of data I have backed up.  Is there some way I can mount the FAT16 D:
drive and get a network connection up to copy everything (I have a
Megahertz PCMCIA 10BT NIC), all without writing anything to the hard disk?  
I have the 4.0 RELEASE CDROMs and the 9/99 FreeBSD toolkit.  One other
catch in this whole thing is that both the CD-ROM and Floppy drives are
external, and I can only plug one in at a time.  Any suggestions at all
would be greatly appreciated.

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-Tim
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> Dear Sirs,
>
> I have a notebook of NEC PC-9821 Na12/H10.
> Now i wann install freeBSD on it, so first i made a
> boot floppies of 3.5"(1.44M),and booted up the computer,
> and executed all boot files(two floppies),system prompted
> to insert floppy disk to install OS.
>
> Before above work done, i have downloaded bin98.inf and
> bin98.aa , bin98.ab,....
> and in our pure DOS environment, i used FDIMAGE command to
> copy bin98.inf to floppy disk,and inserted it into floppy
> drive. but system said "error mounting floppy fdo (/dev/fdo.1440)
> on  /dist: Invalid argument"
>
> I didn't know how to proceed further.
>
> I can affirm it was ok to boot system before starting installation
> from floppies, the problem is installation floppies.
> it should be insert floppy contenting bin98.inf first ?
> or first inserting floppy contenting bin98.aa?
> Or is there has any other problems?
>
> Thanks for your help in advance!
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Liu Qi Zhong
> >From China
>
>
I am pretty sure that the floppy you want to start with is the bin.aa
floppy.  I am also pretty sure that installing from floppies is the least
desirable way to install FreeBSD.  The chance of having a bad floppy is
pretty high.  If there is any way that you can get that laptop connected to
the internet you can do an FTP install instead.  (I think I would do that
rather than use floppies even on a 56k dial-up connection.)

Josh


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Does FreeBSD support Intel i810 hardware?

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 09:45:56AM +0800, T.K C.Chua wrote:
> Hi,
> How do I test the the mail server?
> The problem is who ever setup the server is no more with the company and I'm 
> new in FreeBSD. Need help.
> 
> Best regards,
> chua.

Depends of what you want to do with it, but, usually, the best test is to 
send a mail :P
If it does not goes through, look at the end of /var/log/maillog, see if there
is anything relevant. If you are sending from another machine on your lan,
check that sendmail is accepting mail by telnetting the server on port 25. If
it gives you a 'connection refused' error, the server is not even started.
If you know a bit of SMTP, you can try typing some commands directly there.
Try to see what exactly is wrong with the server: does it refuse your mails,
or accept then drop them?

After that, it depends a lot of what server you are using and what version of
it...
For sendmail, you will have to check the handbook, and possibly
/usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README. For qmail there is very
comprehensive documentation in /var/qmail/doc (including testing and
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Hello,

I have already wrote to you because my magazine is preparing an issue about 
FreeBSD. The work is done and it's a 4000 signs introduction, followed by two 
pages, almost three, explaning Windows users how to use FIPS to create free 
space for BSD and then follow a 76-snapshot installation explanation. I do 
regret that, because of space lack, my history of BSD has been removed (it 
was 30000 signs long) and I do think the whole article is too much dedicated 
to newbie users. Well, I am not the chief editor so I do as told to do, but 
at least FreeBSD will be on the CD :-)

My chief editor would like to add some software to the CD for other platforms 
we do cover on our magazine and I would like to know if I can remove the 
"src" folder without creating problems for a 'standard' installation. I have 
about 12 Mb free on the CD and they ask me for at least 50 Mb free. Can you 
help me? The CD I have is the 4.2 ISO download; MD5 is :

$ md5sum ./raw
be00f1e060e3e11548eb94b91fdac0ee  ./raw  

Can I remove that src folder? I could then put it on the next's issue CD for 
people who need it, of course.

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Hello

I can't find where I need to make an edit but here is the problem

I had an old 2.2.8 box which I upgraded via 3.2, 3.4, 4.1.1_RELEASE to
4.2_RELEASE (only real problem was that the old '/' default size is a
teensy bit tight at 4.* but I will rebuild one day...)

All is fine on a cold boot - i.e. all disks are using ad0 as per fstab
but if I reboot (i.e. warm) then '/' gets mounted on wd0s2a rather than
ad0s2a (and top won't run because of it - nlist errors).

I re-wrote the disklabel which has wd to ad as one guess
# /dev/ad0c:
type: ESDI
disk: ad0s2

installworld updated the /boot files (and of course all is well on a
hard boot). There is another partition with a minimal Linux distro on
it and I use the lilo boot manager (which speaks hda, etc).

Any ideas where the vestigal wd0 comes from? Can I still boot Linux as
the non-default if I use a different boot manager? Rarely use Linux but
sometimes I need to, could use a boot floppy I suppose.

Thanks
Neil


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On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:41:24 -0500 (EST), freebsduser wrote:

>Does FreeBSD have an IP failover solution?  I could really use one.
>Scott

There is a commercial product. Can't recall the name at the
moment. I think there is a demo/trial on one of the CDs of the
Walnut Creek distribution.



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Dear FreeBSD

I am a Verio.com reseller and they told me that their OS is FreeBSD, My =
question is can I install Jakarta Tomcat on the server to run JSP =
programs?

If yes, is it possible to send me a manual or instructions to do so =
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Hi all....

I was wondering if it was possible to mount an ISO image of a CD.. I've
seen it done in Linux.. Does BSD have an equivalent ability?

Ta
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Hi there,

I am trying to build a Netscape Client Kit and have 1 final problem.  You
take all the data from the user and write a perl script which passes it back
to the Netsape program.  I am not sure of how to begin with the perl script.
Is there anyone out there who can help.

The instructions from Netscape are as follows...
=======
The binary file format used by this MIME type is simple, yet extensible. It
consists of consecutive name/value pairs separated by 4 bytes of size
information:

| 4 bytes | ------ x bytes ------ | 4 bytes | ------ y bytes ------ |  (x)
(name)            (y)             (value)

The parser iterates as follows until it reaches the end of the stream:

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:25:24PM +0200, wibble wrote:
> Hi all....
> 
> I was wondering if it was possible to mount an ISO image of a CD.. I've
> seen it done in Linux.. Does BSD have an equivalent ability?
Yes, 
man vn
man vnconfig

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 03:25:05PM +0300, Amal Ismail wrote:
> Also tomcat requirement is to have JDK1.1 or Java2 SDK, does FreeBSD have it?
cd /usr/port/www/jakarta-tomcat
make
make install

THEN read Tomcat manuals in /usr/local/tomcat/doc 

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Dear FreeBSG.org

Among other things at Tangent Systems we distribute CDs containing the
written images of publicly available ISO images. We generally print a label
with our contact details, our company logo and a product description & logo
on it. We are currently extending our range to include the FreeBSD 4.2 ISO
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 Hi.
 I have tried to attatch 3com's 3C905BTX to COMPAQ presario 2298. But it 
won't work.
On booting, FreeBSD4.1 said "xl0 couldn't map /ports/memory". According to 
the complete FreeBSD, there is a builtin module in a GENERIC kernel to 
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What does this message mean in a 4.0_RELEASE system? I added
a second (slave) drive to the primary IDE controller just before.

Maybe it was there before but it came to my attention just
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>>>>> "D" == David Banning <david@www3.pacific-pages.com> writes:
D> I am trying to update my website automatically, but
D> as far as I can see, there is no way to use ftp from a script.

The command 'ncftpput' (in the ncftp package) was designed for ftp'ing
from a script. ncftp is a _highly_ recommended FTP package.

But more pertinent to your goal, to update a website you want to look
at 'rdist'. From the manpage

    Rdist is a program to maintain identical copies of files over
    multiple hosts.  It preserves the owner, group, mode, and mtime of
    files if possible and can update programs that are executing.

HTH and
Hope you have a very nice day, :-)
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Dear sirs.
    I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I must do 
on several operating systems. 
    Can free b.s.d. support a l.a.n. net?
    What protocols are needed to run a l.a.n. net with free b.s.d.? 
    What are the advantages, and or disadvantages of your operating system 
when used in a l.a.n.?  
                                            Thank you for your time.
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:04:16PM +0300, Igor' Robul' wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 03:25:05PM +0300, Amal Ismail wrote:
> > Also tomcat requirement is to have JDK1.1 or Java2 SDK, does FreeBSD have it?
> cd /usr/port/www/jakarta-tomcat
          ^^^^ ports


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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

> Mmm. I was going to keep out of this.
> The guy's language and disgustingly homophobic remarks in my
> view make him beyond redemption.
> He needs to get his medication checked, and his attitude

Cliff, I think you may be onto something...

> On the other hand, I suppose by posting all that nonsense to this
> newsgroup maybe he didn't shout at anyone in his personal life
> that day. You never know the therapeutic effect of screaming
> rage at a bunch of people you don't know who are just trying to get
> along and be helpful..
> 
> *sigh*

I've heard it said that computers are toys for smart people...I don't
know if this is true or merely a symptom of hubris on the part of the
person making this observation.  But I lean towards the former... ;-)

My 6 year old has tantrums similar to this fellow's initial offering.
(Although with less swearing as he is apparently more articulate...)
He gets a timeout to regain control and an opportunity to rephrase
his request/complain.  Generally, my son's behaviour seems more mature than 
this fellow.  At age 6.

If someone gets in my face, venting anger over their own stupidity (which I 
define as manifest ignorance) they get *nothing* back from me.  
** Negative attention simply reinforces the behaviour.

Finally, getting back to my original point (para 1):  I tend to agree
that some people should not own computers.  After all, I would not give
a lawnmower to the village idiot, for obvious reasons.  And as far as
helping this person:  silence would be very effective as an instrument
of instruction.  Engaging in a 'dialogue' would appear to be about as 
effective as entering into a peeing contest with a skunk.  The initial
post reminded me of the phenomenon known as 'road rage' - common here
in New York where some people can't control their vehicles or their
thought process.

Tom
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	Howdy fokes,
	I have been attempting to upgrade from FreeBSD3.4-release
	to 4.0-release and have made it almost threw the process
	except while in make installworld, I obtained the following
	error:
<more install binaries above here>
===> bin/sync
install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555   sync /bin
install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 sync.8.gz  /usr/share/man/man8
===> bin/test
install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555   test /bin
*** Signal 12

Stop.
*** Error code 1

	Now when I attempt to type make installworld again, I get
	the following:
"/usr/src/Makefile", line 101: warning: "LC_TIME=C date" returned non-zero
status
*** Signal 12

Stop.

	Any ideas on what could be the problem? We installed 3.4
	from a cd. This type of problem didnt occur last time.
	Hope you can help. Thanks...
	-anthony





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This question comes up every so often. I think the last time was about 
a month ago. I remember someone saying that you have to inform your 
cable modem provider with the MAC address of your external card, so 
that they can add it to their database.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robret Schilling" <friction@mediaone.net>
Date: Sunday, November 26, 2000 9:26 pm
Subject: DHCP problem?

> Hi everyone,
> 
> 
> A weeks ago I installed the newest release (4.1 I think) and have 
> had some wierd happenings since. I have a box with 2 nics. One for 
> internal traffic and one for the external. The external nic is 
> connected to a cable modem which has a dynamically assigned IP 
> (nothing special, dhclient seems to work fine), and the internal 
> is a static (192.168.100.XXX). I have the setup working, but it 
> seems that every so often I have to "reset" the external nic by 
> either A. running dhclient on the device again (ed0) or B. doing 
> an ifconfig ed0 IP_ADDR. either one gets be up and running for an 
> unknown amount of time. sometimes it will be 5 seconds, sometimes 
> days. This is becoming very frustrating. I have tried natd with 
> the -dynamic flag, and I did upgrade to the latest stable and the 
> problem still persists. Any help on this is appreciated. Thanks in 
> advance.
> 
> 



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>>>>> "C" == Craig Beasland <craig@hotmix.com.au> writes:

C> Hi there,
C> I am trying to build a Netscape Client Kit and have 1 final problem.  You
C> take all the data from the user and write a perl script which passes it back
C> to the Netsape program.  I am not sure of how to begin with the perl script.
C> Is there anyone out there who can help.

C> The instructions from Netscape are as follows...
C> =======
C> The binary file format used by this MIME type is simple, yet extensible. It
C> consists of consecutive name/value pairs separated by 4 bytes of size
C> information:

C> | 4 bytes | ------ x bytes ------ | 4 bytes | ------ y bytes ------ |  (x)
C> (name)            (y)             (value)

C> The parser iterates as follows until it reaches the end of the stream:

C>       Read 4 bytes of binary data and cast to int for size of Name in bytes
C>  (x)
C>       Read (x) bytes of ASCII data for the name
C>       Read 4 bytes of binary data and cast to int for size of Value in bytes
C> (y)
C>       Read (y) bytes of ASCII data for the value
C> ================

Here's a straight-forward perl script that will read this type of data
stream and print out the resulting values. You might need to tweak the
"L" in the unpack statement. "L" handles unsigned 32-bit integers. Do
'perldoc -f pack' for more info.

  #!/usr/bin/perl -w

  use strict;

  while (1) {
    for (1..2) {
      my ($len, $str);
      read(STDIN, $len, 4) or exit;
      $len = unpack("L", $len);   # convert len to a number
      read(STDIN, $str, $len) or exit;
      print "$len -> $str ";
    }
    print "\n";
  }

And here's a testing script that will generate such a stream.

  #!/usr/bin/perl -w

  use strict;

  $| = 1; # autoflush STDOUT

  open(WORDS, "</usr/share/dict/words") or die "Can't open 'dict/words': $!";
  while (<WORDS>) {
    next unless /\S/; #Skip blank lines (just in case)
    chop;
    my $l = length;
    my $f = pack("La$l", $l, $_);
    print $f;
  }

HTH and 
Hope you have a very nice day, :-)
Tim Ayers (tayers@bridge.com)



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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:25:24PM +0200, wibble wrote:
> Hi all....
> 
> I was wondering if it was possible to mount an ISO image of a CD.. I've
> seen it done in Linux.. Does BSD have an equivalent ability?
> 
> Ta
> Warren Bell
Not very difficult at all.  Here are the commands necessary to do
this:
vnconfig /dev/vn0a cd_image.iso
mount -t iso9660 /dev/vn0a /mnt/iso

And that's it!  There are a bunch of vn devices one could use. For
more info, 
man vn
man vnconfig

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:49:50AM -0800, timothyr@socrates.Berkeley.EDU wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I'm in a real bind here and hope someone can help me find my way out of
> it.  I have a Dell Latitude CS laptop, on which I run WinNT and
> 4.0-RELEASE.  I went to upgrade some of the NT power management features,
> and my system was totally hosed.  I went to boot back up, got BSOD, went
> to boot up again, didn't even get that far: "missing kernel DLL."  To make
> a long story short, my partition table seems to be fscked up in every
> sense of the word, and I can't boot and I can't install anything.  I can
> boot of a DOS floppy and see my precious D: drive where all my data is,
> however.  I'm going to have to wipe the drive top to bottom and reinstall
> everything from scratch, but before I do I'd really love to get the ~1GB
> of data I have backed up.  Is there some way I can mount the FAT16 D:
> drive and get a network connection up to copy everything (I have a
> Megahertz PCMCIA 10BT NIC), all without writing anything to the hard disk?  
> I have the 4.0 RELEASE CDROMs and the 9/99 FreeBSD toolkit.  One other
> catch in this whole thing is that both the CD-ROM and Floppy drives are
> external, and I can only plug one in at a time.  Any suggestions at all
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Tim
> timothyr@socrates.berkeley.edu

So let me get this straight - you have an NT machine and you want to
load FreeBSD - without writing anything to disk - to try to salvage
your data drive.  Is that correct?  If so...
To my knowledge, such a thing couldn't be done with the generic
FreeBSD - there may be some mini-distro such as PicoBSD(
http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/)  I don't know if it has FAT
support tho.  There are also other linux distros which fit on floppies
and may be useful...

My questions is - why not just reinstall NT to your C drive.  If your
partition table was messed up, you wouldn't be able to see your D
drive. (Or am I misguided?)  I know there are bootable CD's of NT...

In any case, good luck - hope you save your files!
isetr0


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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:25:04AM +0100, Carles G?mez Montenegro wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>         I am a telecommunication engineering student from UPC
> (Polytechnic University ofCatalonia). I am writing this mail to you
> because I would like to get the FreeBSD 3.0 version. I have been
<SNIP>
A question similar to this was recently posted to the forum at
freebsddiary.org.  The solution was to look at this webpage:
http://www.itworks.com.au/~gavin/FBSDsites.php3
Click on i386 releases available, then on 3.0-release, and you'll see
a list of servers which have this release.

>         I would also like to ask two more questions:
wonderful! :)
> 
>         1) If some software runs correctly on FreeBSD 3.0, can I install
> it on an upgraded FreeBSD version without any problems? 
I don't know the answer to this one, but my guess would be yes...
> 
>         2) Which is the difference between the following:
> 
>                         "3.4.-Release"
>                         "3.4.-Stable"
Take a look at the FreeBSD Handbook section 18.2.2
(http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/current-stable.html)



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Hello

Has anyone had any experience of getting the Xircom Realport combined
10/100 NIC - 56kbps modem working?

Its a type III pccard device

(I am currently running FreeBSD 4.1 - about to move to 4.2)

Any pointers appreciated

David  



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Thanks, that worked.   I thought I had checked that out before I even
started, but it looks like I didn't.

Thanks again!
David

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> 
> Turn off plug and play OS in CMOS :)
> 
> good luck 
> 
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Has anyone had any luck getting this printer to print under
unix?  lexmarks site has no *nix printer drivers for it yet (that
I can find).  It works perfecty doing this:

print to file in windows
xfer file
cat file > /dev/lpt0

It doesn't handle plain text from what I can tell
and I don't know what escape codes need to be sent to
it to make it print.  I can open notepad and type test
and send the resulting file if anyone wants to try thier
hand at it :).

It doesn't have to print under unix, I'm using the server
as a samba/print server actually.  Once I get this, I think
the printing will work from windows...dunno.

any thoughts?

TIA,
-
Daryl Chance       | And which parallel universe did
ValueData, LLC     | YOU crawl out of?
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Hello everyone

I am a newbie to Unix in general and FreeBSD in particular, but I have a =
lot of experience with all sorts of OS-es, dating back to the CDC-6400.  =
vi is not so strange, believe it or not :)=20

I recently bought BSD 4.1 Desktop Edition.  The install worked just fine, =
as far as it went, it just didn't go far enough.  I need to connect to my =
office network to do anything - print, surf, whatever - but I have an =
Olicom 3118 tokenring NIC in this box. =20

The Complete FreeBSD book that came with the package was written for =
version 3.x and the CDs do not have the CVS on it (at least, I couldn't =
find it and I have looked for it pretty darn hard).  Nonetheless, it =
covers most subjects well enough so that I can I generalize the info to my =
particular situation, I think.

I understand that to get the Olicom working, I need to build new kernel.  =
I created my own configuration file after studying LINT and starting with =
GENERIC.  I think I have the correct files in the correct places.  config, =
make depend, make and make install all work without any fatal or serious =
errors (an occasional warning comes up in make depend).

My question is this (and perhaps it is better addressed to the tokenring =
list, but I thought I should start here, being a newbie) - when I boot, =
all the devices I have defined in the config come up, except for the =
Olicom.  I get this instead=20

>>  unknown0: <Olicom Token-Ring ISA 16/4> at port 0xa00-0xa1f irq 3 drq1 =
on ISA0

Having browsed the tokenring mailing list archive, I have seen comments =
that the ISA cards have had support dropped, to be replaced later, when =
the PCI card drivers came out.  I hope this is not the case and that =
instead I am doing something stupidly wrong.  Conversely, must I do a =
MAKEDEV?  (which I have already tried to no success, because the code =
doesn't have any references to oltr in it)  or even a mknod ?  If so, =
could someone provide me with the parameters for it ?

I appreciate y'all (as they say down here in Texas) shedding some light on =
this for me.  Thanks !

Lawrence Kreitzer



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In the last episode (Nov 27), Igor' Robul' said:
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 11:26:20PM -0800, Roop Nanuwa wrote:
> > 	Is there any need to use softupdates on the / or the /var
> > partitions? I know there's very little I/O on these partitions

> _I_ use softupdates on all except /.  Works fine, I mean no data loss
> etc. But, because /usr is virtually ReadOnly (in my case) you will
> not receive many benefits from SoftUpdates. /var have many
> writes/reads: log files, mail etc. Also good candidate is /usr/home
> (or /home).

You could actually make an argument for mounting /var sync.  Of all the
partitions, that's the one where you don't want to lose data that has
been written (either logfiles or mailspool files).  If a system crashes
while delivering an email, softupdates might delete the message
completely rather than risk corrupting the filesystem (or the message
might not have even been written to disk).

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Hi, I havent be able to installing mysql-server from fbsd ports collection
(due compiling errors), so, I dled the version 3.23.28-gamma, i read the
docs about installing it and i did this:

#./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mit-threads --with-low-memory
#make
--> error compiling: "..undefined reference to thread_signal"

this neither works:
#./configure --with-native-threads

so, What others options do i have in order to install mysql on
freebsd-3.5-stable?

p.s. i found a file named freebsd-3.0-librc-1.1.diff, what is it for?

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hi,
if you run:
#./configure --with-low-memory 
#make
#make install
#./scripts/mysql_install_db <-- this will init databases, don't forget.
#cd /usr/local/share/mysql
#chmod 755 mysql.server
#cd /etc
#pico rc.local
put in there : /usr/local/share/mysql/mysql.server start
this will install mysql with native FreeBSD threads.

hth,
alex
p.s. there's more than one way to do this. you better check with
www.mysql.com ;-).


On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote:

> Hi, I havent be able to installing mysql-server from fbsd ports collection
> (due compiling errors), so, I dled the version 3.23.28-gamma, i read the
> docs about installing it and i did this:
> 
> #./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mit-threads --with-low-memory
> #make
> --> error compiling: "..undefined reference to thread_signal"
> 
> this neither works:
> #./configure --with-native-threads
> 
> so, What others options do i have in order to install mysql on
> freebsd-3.5-stable?
> 
> p.s. i found a file named freebsd-3.0-librc-1.1.diff, what is it for?
> 
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Alexander V P wrote:

> #./configure --with-low-memory 
> #make
at this point, the process stop due compile errors.

> #make install
> #./scripts/mysql_install_db <-- this will init databases, don't forget.
> #cd /usr/local/share/mysql
> #chmod 755 mysql.server
> #cd /etc
> #pico rc.local
> put in there : /usr/local/share/mysql/mysql.server start
> this will install mysql with native FreeBSD threads.
> 
> hth,
> alex
> p.s. there's more than one way to do this. you better check with
> www.mysql.com ;-).
> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote:
> 
> > Hi, I havent be able to installing mysql-server from fbsd ports collection
> > (due compiling errors), so, I dled the version 3.23.28-gamma, i read the
> > docs about installing it and i did this:
> > 
> > #./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mit-threads --with-low-memory
> > #make
> > --> error compiling: "..undefined reference to thread_signal"
> > 
> > this neither works:
> > #./configure --with-native-threads
> > 
> > so, What others options do i have in order to install mysql on
> > freebsd-3.5-stable?
> > 
> > p.s. i found a file named freebsd-3.0-librc-1.1.diff, what is it for?
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From: Horatiu Palivan <Horatiu.Palivan@unibas.ch>
Subject: Version 4.1 do not want to install....
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Dear sirs,

I have a Gateway P5-90 Pentium computer with the following
configuration:
- Pentium Processor 90 MHz (without fdiv bug).
- motherboard Intel Neptun (Zappa)
128 M memory (EDO memory: 4x32M)
floppy disks: 3.5" / 5 "
first IDE interface: hard disks: WD: 6400 G + 3200 G 
second IDE interface: CD-Rom (40x) + Iomega Zip (100M)
ISA SCSI controller (AVA1505: IRQ=11 I/O=0x340 DMA=0) with:
  - SCSI CD Writer Yamaha CDR8424S
  - SCSI Harddisk (Seagate Barracuda) 4.2 G
ISA Network card: NE2000+ (IRQ=10 I/O=0x300)
ISA Creative Sound Blaster 16 Card
    (usually: IRQ=5 I/O=0x220, 0x330, 0x388 DMA: 1,5)
ISA Modem Zoltrix (COM3)
- PCI have IRQ=9
PCI TsengLab (ET4000/W32p) video card (1M).
PCI Brooktree (BT848) video acquisition card
PCI Hauppauge TV/PCI(604) (BT878) TV card

I used once (in 1994) the 2.1 version of FreeBSD and I succedded
to install it. OK, I didn't use it too much, because at that time
I loaded the system from diskettes (I have had a CDROM IDE - the first
IDE version, a NEC one, but you didn't have support for the IDE CDrom,
only proprietary one... -> copy the distribution from CD to
diskettes, and so on... ). It was when the linux kernel was 1.1.59....
NOW:.....
On the computer there are installed (and working) the following
operating systems: Windows95, Novell 5.0, NT4.0, Dos6.2
                   Linux (kernel: 2.0.29).
The main boot loader is LILO (menu for 4 systems, except
Novell -> the DOS starting partition is a logical one).

I tried to install FreeBSD 4.1 on the computer, using the boot and
root diskette (I don't have a bootable CDROM in BIOS, then I generated
the diskettes from the CD), but I didn't succeed. It is the first time
when it happen this to me. The messages when the kernel (before the
installation menu) is booting are:
------------------------------------------------------------
avail memory: 124174336 (121264 K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc063e000
Preloaded mfs-root "/mfsroot" at 0xc063e084
Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug.
md0: Preloaded image </mfsroot> 2949120 bytes at 0xc036cd98
md1: Malloc disk.
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard.
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host on PCI bridge> om motherboard.
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
atapici0: <RZ100?ATA controller !Warning! buggy chip data loss possible>
         port 0x3f4-ox3f7, 0x1f0-0x1f7 at device 1.0 on pci0.
atapici0: Busmastering DMA not supported.
panic: resource_list_alloc: resource entry is busy
uptime: 0s
------------------------------------------------------------
On other systems where I tried, it seems to boot until the instalation
menu........ But because it seems that you do not have a possibility to
review the booting messages (like SHIFT-Pg.UP in Linux), I do not know
the exact boot messages and sequence on the other systems, bacause when
I quit the installation menu, the system want to reboot).
I tried the tricks with "flags npx0 1" (from trouble.txt), but it don't
work. In the configuration of kernel, I disabled all possible features -
in advanced mode - (except sc0 and keyboard), but the same things
happen.
If you need messages, I tried to obtain all possible messages:

Booting messages:
>> FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default: 0: fd(0,a)/boot/loader
boot:


BTX Loader 1.00 .......1.01
Console: internal video/keyboard
BIOS driveA: disk0
BIOS driveB: disk1
BIOS driveC: disk2
BIOS driveD: disk3
FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.8
(jk4@ref4.freebsd.org, fri jul 28 12:39:58 GMT 2000)
/kernel text=0x21e97e data=0x2cd8c+0x2068c
(boot prompt)
: ls mod:
0x100000: kernel (elf kernel, 0x26cd98)
0x36cd98: /mfsroot(mfs-root, 0x2d0000)
: heap:
Active Allocations: 455/457
155648 bytes reserved 64216 bytes allocated.
7 fragments (10868 bytes fragmented)
heap base at 0x28600, top at 0x4e600
: ls dev:
disk0: BIOS drive A:
  disk0a: FFS 1M (0-2880)
  disk0c: FFS 1M (0-2880)
disk1: BIOS drive B:
disk2: BIOS drive C:
  disk2s1: FAT-16 1004 MB (63-2056320)
  disk2s2: Unknown fs: 0x65 568 MB (2056320-3220560) <- Novell partition
  disk2s3: Unknown fs: 0x7 1380 MB (3220560-6048000) <- NTFS partition.
  disk2s5: FAT-16 494 MB (6048063-7061040)
  disk2s7: FAT-16 1004 MB (7061103-9117360)
OBS: here are missing some partitions... why ???
disk3: BIOS drive D:
  disk3s1: FAT-16 511 MB (63-1048320)
  disk3s2: ext2fs 66 MB (1048320-1185408)
  disk3s3: ext2fs 346 MB (1185408-1895040)
  disk3s5: Linux swap 122 MB (1895103-2145024)
  disk3s7: ext2fs 1204 MB(2145087-4612608)
OBS: also here are missing some partitions... why ???

The problemm is: what can I do ? How can I install the FreeBSD on the
computer ? I do not know the order for the kernel to load drivers and
probe them, then I could not figure out where the error is... (and in
principle it must not be any errors, because it is not the first time
when I install an operating system on it)....

If you have some ideeas how to work around this, please let me know...

Horatiu Palivan

PS. Maybe you need more messages (and a lot are not related to the
error), but it was the maximum I could obtain at this stage (and it was
not easy)...


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Back again after poking around....

I can now ping (both ways)/ftp/telnet (and no more ppp/tun0 problems) with 
the following setup:

FBSD3.3R < x-over cable > win95 < 33.6 dial-up > ISP

Folks on this list have advised me that win95 cannot "route". I discovered 
the following on my win95 box:

ROUTE [-f] [command destination] [MASK netmask] [gateway] [METRIC metric]
    -f  Clears the routing tables of all gateway entries. If this is used 
        in conjuction with one of the commands, the tables are cleared 
        prior to running the command.
    
    command     Must be one of four:
                    PRINT prints a route
                    ADD   adds a route
                    DELETE deletes a route
                    CHANGE modifies an existing route    
    destination     Specifies the destination host
    MASK            Specifies that the next parameter is the 'netmask' 
                    value.
    netmask         Specifies the subnet mask value to be associated with  
                    this entry. If not specified, it defaults to
                    255.255.255.255
    gateway         Specifies the gateway.
    METRIC          Specifies that the next parameter 'metric' is the cost
                    for this destination.
All symbolic names used for destination are looked up in the network 
database file NETWORKS. The symbolic names for gateway are looked up in 
the host name database file HOSTS.

So.....the output on my win95 box is:

C:\>route print

Active Routes:

Network Address      Netmask     Gateway Address     Interface    Metric
0.0.0.0           0.0.0.0           10.0.0.1         10.0.0.2        1
10.0.0.0          255.255.255.0     10.0.0.2         10.0.0.2        1
10.0.0.2          255.255.255.255   127.0.0.1        127.0.0.1       1
10.255.255.255    255.255.255.255   10.0.0.2         10.0.0.2        1
127.0.0.0         255.0.0.0         127.0.0.1        127.0.0.1       1
224.0.0.0         224.0.0.0         10.0.0.2         10.0.0.2        1
255.255.255.255   255.255.255.255   10.0.0.2         0.0.0.0         1

Can I infer from all the above that I can in fact coerse win95 to route 
for my LAN - such as it is? If so, do I need to do anything extra on the 
FBSD end? Tia...

-duke
Calgary,Alberta, Canada


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Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad T20 rejects FreeBSD
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At 6:17 AM +0100 11/23/00, Andrej Brodnik (Andy) wrote:
>  > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:27:07 -0500
>>  From: Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>
>>  Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad T20 rejects FreeBSD
>
>>  At 6:22 AM +0100 11/22/00, Andrej Brodnik (Andy) wrote:
>>  >
>>  >any progress/solution regarding this problem? My T20 doesn't
>>  >boot either if I label a partition as FreeBSD partition (type 165).
>>  >When I change the type of partition to 131 it works again
>>  >(unfortunatelly without FreeBSD booting).
>>
>>  I am afraid that we (here at RPI) haven't really investigated
>>  this all that much more.  For our purposes, we can dual-boot
>>  the original Win98 install and any FreeBSD install, and for
>>  most people that is "good enough".  We never have figured out
>>  how to dual-boot WinNT and FreeBSD, or if there is any way to
>>  have a T20 laptop which is only running FreeBSD.
>
>So, if I understand this correctly, you can dual-boot Win98 and
>FreeBSD on T20?

Yes.  We have something like 30 ThinkPad T20's which are working
quite well with a dual-boot setup.  That dual-boot setup is with
Win98 as the first partition, and FreeBSD (4.1.1, I think) in a
partition which was created by using partition magic to shrink
that first partition.

I do not know if we were "just lucky", or if there was some step
in what we did which solves the problem.

And as I said earlier, I do not have a laptop to test with, and
the people who DO have these working laptops are not in the mood
to run re-installs on them to discover what the magic is.
-- 
Garance Alistair Drosehn            =   gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu
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> well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V and the
> closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.  Linux is based largely in
> Posix.  You'll remember that BSD was originally developed using the
> AT&T code and while it contains no AT&T code today, linux never did.

You have it backwards. System V integrates things from 4.4BSD and from the
other branch of UNIX (System IV?). 



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I have changed succefully the passwd of root!
but the problem of this time is that I can't start any 
package or port, I mean I can't even start window manager
(by the way my first aim of using Freebsd is to program on C)
What can I do? 
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hi,
try to do make clean first, and then make.
sometimes, that helps. i never had any problem with mysql under FreeBSD
:(.
can you send us the exact error that is generated?
alex


On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Alexander V P wrote:
> 
> > #./configure --with-low-memory 
> > #make
> at this point, the process stop due compile errors.
> 
> > #make install
> > #./scripts/mysql_install_db <-- this will init databases, don't forget.
> > #cd /usr/local/share/mysql
> > #chmod 755 mysql.server
> > #cd /etc
> > #pico rc.local
> > put in there : /usr/local/share/mysql/mysql.server start
> > this will install mysql with native FreeBSD threads.
> > 
> > hth,
> > alex
> > p.s. there's more than one way to do this. you better check with
> > www.mysql.com ;-).
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi, I havent be able to installing mysql-server from fbsd ports collection
> > > (due compiling errors), so, I dled the version 3.23.28-gamma, i read the
> > > docs about installing it and i did this:
> > > 
> > > #./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mit-threads --with-low-memory
> > > #make
> > > --> error compiling: "..undefined reference to thread_signal"
> > > 
> > > this neither works:
> > > #./configure --with-native-threads
> > > 
> > > so, What others options do i have in order to install mysql on
> > > freebsd-3.5-stable?
> > > 
> > > p.s. i found a file named freebsd-3.0-librc-1.1.diff, what is it for?
> > > 
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[moved to -questions from -stable]

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Chris BeHanna wrote:

 >     It will be /dev/ad0s4, /dev/ad0s5, /dev/ad0s6, or /dev/ad0s7, I
 > think.  If you have given it a reasonable label, then you should be
 > able to mount it.

s4 is the extended partition itself.  s5, s6.. are the 'drives' within.

 >     Is it a UFS or an MSDOS filesystem?  Other?

Speaking of 'other', does anyone know about accessing HPFS filesystems?

I thought I saw mention of a port a while back, but after spending hours
searching through both lists and ports last night, I'm none the wiser.

r/o would be fine, but I've got 5 years work I need to bring along ..

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, ouaaba khalid wrote:

> I have changed succefully the passwd of root!
> but the problem of this time is that I can't start any 
> package or port, I mean I can't even start window manager

Remmenber that you sould *install* the packages before "run" then, that
is, if you want to run a windows manager, first:

#cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/<the wm you want>
#make
#make install

if you dont see any error, you now install it. Now run it. (in the case of
wm's, you should edit your $HOME/.xinitrc with something like "exec <your
wm bin>). You better look for documentation in freebsd.org,
freebsddiary.org or your window manager's website (eg, afterstep.org)

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> Yes, show us the error messages!

There arent any.  It boots peachy keen and fast, it just doesnt issue the
mount command.  Its very weird, and I have no idea where to look.  If you echo
out the case test in /etc/rc the mount command is returning null, which is
wacky!

-Crh

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 timothyr@socrates.Berkeley.EDU wrote:
> I'm in a real bind here and hope someone can help me find my way out of
> it.  I have a Dell Latitude CS laptop, on which I run WinNT and
> 4.0-RELEASE.  I went to upgrade some of the NT power management features,
> and my system was totally hosed.  I went to boot back up, got BSOD, went
> to boot up again, didn't even get that far: "missing kernel DLL."  To make
> a long story short, my partition table seems to be fscked up in every
> sense of the word, and I can't boot and I can't install anything.  I can
> boot of a DOS floppy and see my precious D: drive where all my data is,
> however.  I'm going to have to wipe the drive top to bottom and reinstall
> everything from scratch, but before I do I'd really love to get the ~1GB
> of data I have backed up.

	But you already have backups since it was important data right? :)
Use those.

>  Is there some way I can mount the FAT16 D:
> drive and get a network connection up to copy everything (I have a
> Megahertz PCMCIA 10BT NIC), all without writing anything to the hard disk?  

Can you boot into FreeBSD?  If not then try hooking the hd up to another
computer that is running FreeBSD and use mount_msdos -r  to mount the
drive read only in FreeBSD.  Then you can copy the data without writing to
it.  If you can't mount the partition you could use dd to make a disk
image copy of the drive and then deal with using it later.
	Or you could use fdisk /mbr to clear the boot sector, install the
freebsd boot loader to see if you can boot into FreeBSD and mount the
partition that way.

> I have the 4.0 RELEASE CDROMs and the 9/99 FreeBSD toolkit.  One other
> catch in this whole thing is that both the CD-ROM and Floppy drives are
> external, and I can only plug one in at a time.  Any suggestions at all
> would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Tim
> timothyr@socrates.berkeley.edu

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Ian Smith wrote:

> Speaking of 'other', does anyone know about accessing HPFS filesystems?
> 
> I thought I saw mention of a port a while back, but after spending hours
> searching through both lists and ports last night, I'm none the wiser.
> 
> r/o would be fine, but I've got 5 years work I need to bring along ..

Down towards the bottom of this page, you'll find links to HPFS for
FreeBSD stuff:

 http://www.penguin.cz/~mhi/fs/Filesystems-HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-4.html

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* Trikers3@aol.com <Trikers3@aol.com> [001127 05:46] wrote:
> Dear sirs.
>     I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I must do 
> on several operating systems. 
>     Can free b.s.d. support a l.a.n. net?

Yes.

>     What protocols are needed to run a l.a.n. net with free b.s.d.? 

ARP, and TCP/IP.

>     What are the advantages, and or disadvantages of your operating system 
> when used in a l.a.n.?  

It works, it works fast and it works good.  Not aware of any disadvantages
except lack of SACK.

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At 12:31 PM -0800 11/22/00, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>* Ed Hall <edhall@weirdnoise.com> [001122 12:28] wrote:
>  > We have a senior developer at Yahoo! who is complaining
>  > about FreeBSD's lack of support for wchar_t.  [...]
>  >
>  > Now, I've done a bit of digging in the FreeBSD archives,
>  > and discovered that Itojun and his group have announced
>  > that their support for wchar_t is ready for integration.
>  > This was a month ago--has there been any progress in
>  > getting this going?  Anything I can do to speed the
>  > process?
>
>Give me a url to the patches?
>
>:)
>
>The funny thing is that over a year ago I could have sworn
>I saw people almost completeing this project.  I'm going to
>dig around a bit and see what I can find.

The thing you're remembering is probably David Cross (RPI)
working on the wchar routines.  I *think* that what Itojun
has is David's code, plus some additional work.

It would obviously be nice to get this in.  Even if it is
not complete, the longer we go without it the more likely
someone is going to start from scratch because they won't
be aware of the work which is already done but not
committed.
-- 
Garance Alistair Drosehn            =   gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu
Senior Systems Programmer           or  gad@freebsd.org
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 On our FreeBSD 2.2.6 box, when new messages came in and I was logged onto
the server, I'd see who it was from and about the first two lines pop up on
my console.

 Since I put in the new server using FreeBSD 4.1.1-stable, I only see this:

marlo: {101} %
New mail for freymann@marlo.eagle.ca has arrived:
----

 I've read the man pages on biff and comsat but I don't see anything that
says how many lines of the incoming message will be displayed or how to
change it. Did I overlook the info I seek?

 I just issue a "biff n" command right now since the message alert is kinda
useless as it.

-Gerry



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> > Due to some problems with intermittent pccard identification delays, I
> > need to add a pause in the rc script. 5 seconds should be sufficient,
> > just not sure how to add it. I found WHERE, just not WHAT. It needs to
> > go after it calls rc.pccard, and before it runs rc.network. Thanks in
> > advance.
> 
> Personally, I think it would make more sense to put the delay in
> rc.pccard,
> 
> --- /etc/rc.pccard      Sun Aug  6 22:55:48 2000
> +++ rc.pccard   Sat Nov 25 12:44:33 2000
> @@ -23,5 +23,8 @@
>  
>         echo -n "Enable PC-card."
>         pccardd ${pccardd_flags} 2>&1 > /var/log/pccardd.debug
> +
> +       # Pause for PCCard to initialize
> +       sleep 5
>         ;;
>  esac

It's probably un-necessary if you pccardd_flags includes the '-z' flag.


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Hi,

I've got a Canon S10 Digital Camera. This model uses CompactFlash I
and II cards to store pictures (as jpeg or tiff files). Canon sells a
Pcmcia adapter to put a CF card. As far i've understood, the card is
viewed as a simple ram card : it's a great thing as there is no need
for further software.

I wonder if such an adapter would be supported by FBSD : if so, what
would be the correct entry in pccard.conf ?

        Thanks in advance,
-- 
Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1278711354 secondes.


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Hi All,
First of all, let me say "Yes, I read the Sendmail FAQ" and my question
is one of the most answered questions.  I am running FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE
and these are test hostnames.  I am testing on this box, and then moving
an outdated FBSD 3.2 box over to this one.  In addition to one other
box.  The outdated box runs sendmail 8.9.3, and I have never had any
problems like this.  Both of my 4.2-STABLE boxes are having this issue.
Now here is a transcript of my errors, and my (poor) interpretation of
the issue at hand.

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
553 5.3.5 mlss27.cl.msu.edu. config error: mail loops back to me (MX
problem?)
554 5.3.5 <marti259@mlss27.cl.msu.edu>... Local configuration error
=== End Transcript ===
cloudcity.cl.msu.edu is a nickname for mlss27.cl.msu.edu (that shouldn't
be important, but I'm just mentioning it, that I have aliased domains
listed on the DNS server)

Okay, in the FAQ it says that I have "asked mail to a domain (e.g.,
domain.net) to be forwarded to a specific host (in this case,
relay.domain.net) by using an MX record, but the relay machine doesn't
recognize itself as domain.net.  Add domain.net to
/etc/mail/local-host-names"

Well, I created that file and put in "cloudcity.cl.msu.edu"  Rebooted,
still the same problem.  One thing I'm curious about, is I don't recall
asking sendmail to forward any mail to a specific host, this is a out of
the box Sendmail 8.11.1.

Another item in the FAQ says "When relay.domain.net is a secondary
(etc.) MX, and the MX mistakenly points to a CNAME or other
"non-canonical" name [this gives "config error: mail loops back to me
(MX problem?)"]. The proper fix is to point the MX at the actual name, a
"work-around" to add the MX target to class w. "

That's all fine and dandy, but how do I add the MX target to class w?
What's class w?  And also, I a.) never asked sendmail to forward mail to
a certain host, and b.) am not aware of having a secondary MX (let alone
one).

There is one line that I read somewhere that said add your domain name
to the Cw line in /etc/mail/sendmail.cf  I tried that, and that still
did not work.  The line currently reads:
Cwlocalhost    but at one point read:
Cwlocalhost cloudcity.cl.msu.edu

I'm completely lost on this issue, I apologize for being confusing, but
I can try and explain it better if you wish to help me :)

Also I have this to contribute, if it is any help:
> echo '$=w' | sendmail -bt
ADDRESS TEST MODE (ruleset 3 NOT automatically invoked)
Enter <ruleset> <address>
> [fe80:7::1]
cloudcity
[35.9.4.127]
[fe80:1::250:4ff:fe7a:c938]
cloudcity.cl.msu.edu
localhost
[::1]
[127.0.0.1]
cloudcity.cl
> >


Thank you very very much for any information, or pointers on where to
look.  I appreciate it very much!!
./brm





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On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:17:44PM -0800, David Daugherty wrote:
> Yup
> 
> /usr/local/etc/rc.d [davidd]=> ls -al qmai*
> lrwxr-xr-x   1 root  wheel     13 Nov 25 14:54 qmail.sh@ -> /var/qmail/rc

Ok, you have a link from /usr/local/etc/rc.d/qmail.sh to /var/qmail/rc.

> ===[root] /usr/home/davidd # cat /var/qmail/boot/home
> #!/bin/sh
> 
> # Using splogger to send the log through syslog.
> # Using qmail-local to deliver messages to ~/Mailbox by default.
> 
> exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \
> qmail-start ./Mailbox splogger qmail&

Yes, yes. This is what /var/qmail/boot/home looks like.

But...

Tell us more about your /var/qmail/rc file.  This is the script that
/usr/local/etc/rc.d/qmail.sh points to.  From the maillog messages you sent to
another posting, I can safely assume that your /var/qmail/rc is trying to do
Maildir-delivery.  This means that your problem will most likely go away if
you go to each local user's HOME directory and do:

	# cd /home/user
	# /var/qmail/bin/maildirmake ./Maildir
	# chown -R user:user ./Maildir

To allow qmail to deliver mail to a local user's Maildir, things are a little
bit different than when you're using Sendmail-style Mailbox folders.  The
maildir *must* exist before mail gets delivered to it.  It will not be created
by qmail-local [the local delivery agent of qmail] if it does not exist.

Hope this helps,

- giorgos


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On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 03:16:32PM -0500, raf ar wrote:
> With the different flavors of unix, i dont know which one to learn, im a
> telecommunications student at devry and i know sooner or later i will be
> working on unix systems whether i like it or not, i have been reading the
> handbook in freebsd.org AND I FIND FREEBSD VERY INTERESTING, NOW MY QUESTION
> IS, WHAT FLAVOR OF UNIX WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME TO LEARN, IS FREE BSD THE
> CHOICE? KINDLY REPLY TO THIS E-MAIL, THNX...THEEO

A lot of people started on Linux, because thay's what they had available at
the time, then moved on to FreeBSD, or something else, or stayed with Linux.

The real problem when you're a newbie, though, is that at times you need a
'local guru' to show you the path from one place to some other.  I would
highly recommend that you start digging FreeBSD around, but... a more rational
thing to do would be to look around you.  See what people you know are using.
Find out if they can help you out when you desperately need someone to help
you boot that installation that you hosed last night.  And use what *they*
use.

If you have to travel 30 miles to find a 'local' FreeBSD expert, but you only
have to make a local call (and arrange for an afternoon's break over some
coffee or tea accompanied by your favorite cookies) to find a guy who feels
comfortable with Linux, then use Linux.  If you know some people who use
FreeBSD and you feel like they can help you a few times, then use FreeBSD.

About the telecom thing, now.  I think that most companies who do serious
telecom stuff are using Solaris, and you'll eventually have to give Solaris a
chance too.  But, starting with FreeBSD and trying Linux or Solaris, or AIX,
or HP/UX, or anything Unix, should not be too hard if you have spent a few
months learning all you can about FreeBSD.

I hope this helps a bit,

- giorgos

PS: Oh, and please don't write in all caps.  It's not impossible to read what
you're writing, but kind of harder.


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Hi,

Since I upgraded my Laptop (Acer Extensa 367T) 
from 4.1-stable to 4.2-stable, my laptop locks up hard after the second
suspend. This was not the case in 4.1-stable.
I tried to compile the kernel with the apm.c file from 4.1-stable,
but the problem was still there with the modified kernel. 
The problem looks very similar to 
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=20375 
 
Do you have any further information on the problem? 

Thanks in advance,

Johannes Hofmann






Output of dmesg:


Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #12: Sun Nov 26 23:02:40 CET 2000
    root@blob.holzstrasse.com:/mnt/usr/src/sys/compile/CUSTOM
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: Pentium/P55C (quarter-micron) (199.96-MHz 586-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x581  Stepping = 1
  Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>
real memory  = 50331648 (49152K bytes)
config> enable apm0
avail memory = 45969408 (44892K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0317000.
Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc031709c.
Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug
md0: Malloc disk
apm0: <APM BIOS> on motherboard
apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
isab0: <AcerLabs M1533 portable PCI-ISA bridge> at device 2.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
chip1: <PCI to CardBus bridge (vendor=1217 device=6832)> at device 5.0 on pci0
chip2: <PCI to CardBus bridge (vendor=1217 device=6832)> at device 5.1 on pci0
pci0: <NeoMagic model 0083 VGA-compatible display device> at 6.0 irq 9
atapci0: <AcerLabs Aladdin ATA33 controller> port 0xf000-0xf00f irq 15 at device 11.0 on pci0
atapci0: Busmastering DMA not supported
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
chip3: <AcerLabs M15x3 Power Management Unit> port 0xf140-0xf15f,0xf100-0xf13f at device 12.0 on pci0
fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
psm0: <PS/2 Mouse> irq 12 on atkbdc0
psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
pcic0: <Intel i82365> at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 10 on isa0
pcic0: management irq 10
pccard0: <PC Card bus -- kludge version> on pcic0
pccard1: <PC Card bus -- kludge version> on pcic0
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
unknown: <PNP0000> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0303> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0f13> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0400> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0501> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0700> can't assign resources
pccard: card inserted, slot 1
ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata1-slave: identify failed
ad0: 2061MB <HITACHI_DK226A-21U> [4188/16/63] at ata0-master BIOSPIO
acd0: CDROM <CD-220EA> at ata1-master using BIOSPIO
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a
WARNING: / was not properly dismounted
ed1 at port 0x240-0x25f irq 3 slot 1 on pccard1
ed1: address 00:00:e8:19:ce:f5, type NE2000 (16 bit) 
ed1: detached
pccard: card removed, slot 1
stray irq 3
pccard: card inserted, slot 1
ed1 at port 0x240-0x25f irq 3 slot 1 on pccard1
ed1: address 00:00:e8:19:ce:f5, type NE2000 (16 bit) 
   



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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 Trikers3@aol.com wrote:

> Dear sirs.
>     I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I must do 
> on several operating systems. 

I'm sorry if I've been smoking too much crack, but I understood the
general idea of a presentation was to relay your findings on a matter
you've done some research on. That doesn't include getting somebody else
to write it for you.

Try reading the website - www.freebsd.org

G

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:00:45AM -0600, Daryl Chance wrote:
> Has anyone had any luck getting this printer to print under
> unix?  lexmarks site has no *nix printer drivers for it yet (that
> I can find).  It works perfecty doing this:

They have Ghostscript 6.0 drivers for Linux for the Z52 but haven't
looked to see if its a precompiled binary or source.

--
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=====================================================================
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Do you support Macintosh System 7.5.5, 7.6, amd MacOS 8.x, 9.x and X??
Also do you support Novell IntraNetware Clients for Windows?




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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:03:32AM -0600, Lawrence Kreitzer wrote:
> Hello everyone
> 
> I am a newbie to Unix in general and FreeBSD in particular, but I have a lot of experience with all sorts of OS-es, dating back to the CDC-6400.  vi is not so strange, believe it or not :) 

Totally off-topic..

Hey I cannot answer your question..but the first program i ever
write was a Fortran one to run on a CDC 6400 .. so I thought I
would say Hi !

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:24:23AM -0500, Andrea Venturoli wrote:
> ** Reply to note from Ryan Breding <rbreding@drizzle.theriver.nu> Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:44:59   
> -0600 (CST) 
>  
>  
> > I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is  
> > "biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail  
> > ?  I dont see biff running in the process list. 
>  
> >From "man mail.local": 
>  
>  If  the  ``biff'' service is returned by getservbyname(3),         
>  the biff server is notified of delivered mail.                     
>                                                                     
>  
> So, I just got rid of this by commenting biff in /etc/services. 
>  
>  Bye 
> 	av. 
> 
Mmmm.
Generally speaking you shouldnt really fiddle in /etc/services.
Think of it as a sort of dictionary for applications.
The one to stop biff, as I stated before, is to disable comsat
in inetd.conf.

Cliff
> 
> 
> 
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On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 10:44:59PM -0600, Ryan Breding wrote:
> I keep getting these messages in the /var/log/message output:
> 
> Nov 25 15:12:30 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> from 127.0.0.1:2844
> Nov 25 15:13:54 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> from 127.0.0.1:2851
> 
> 
> I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is
> "biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail
> ?  I dont see biff running in the process list.
> 
biff n

will turn it off

or disable service "comsat" in inetd.conf

Cliff


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On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> About the telecom thing, now.  I think that most companies who do serious
> telecom stuff are using Solaris, and you'll eventually have to give Solaris a

Mostly, but lots of HP-UX as well.



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The Lexmark released drivers for Linux are binaries. The formatting of the
data for their printers is part of Lexmark's trade secrets.
There are however several reverse-engineered conversion utilities (with
src) for some older Lexmark printers. I know that one of the drivers is
black only.

Even with these, I think that gs is used.

The typical data path is:

Original Data --> Raster Data (via gs) --> Host Based Printing (HBP) aka
Printer ready data.

The last conversion (Raster->HBP) is the binary portion of the Linux
driver from Lexmark or you can get source from one of the
reverse-engineered filters.

Jim


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> I have a system that does that. Specifically, the *first* time I boot it
> after powering it on, the NFS mounts time out. If I interrupt them, the next
> thing that tries to use the network card times out. If I reboot it after
> having the network up, everything works fine.
> 
> I assume it's a problem with the card initialization, but haven't gotten
> around to looking into it. Are you seeing that kind of behavior by any
> chance.

Okay so I went through it again, and this time I noticed a error 'cant get
netid' message.  Based on what you suggested I placed a ifconfig ti0 up;sleep
2 in /etc/rc just before the call to the NFS mounts, which seems to have
patched the problem.  As you say, must be network initialization problems.

Thanks!

-Crh

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Ken Bolingbroke wrote:

 > Down towards the bottom of this page, you'll find links to HPFS for
 > FreeBSD stuff:
 > 
 >  http://www.penguin.cz/~mhi/fs/Filesystems-HOWTO/Filesystems-HOWTO-4.html

Thanks, Ken, just the ticket.

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coming from a world of proprietary unix and/or apple computers, i am
ignorant of what the best pc hardware choice would be given the following
criteria:

I'd like to install freebsd and run the following services on an eternet 
LAN:

-http
-postfix
-dns
-ftp
-samba (does this even run on freebsd?)

i would like to be able to order this box online.

url suggestions anyone?!

i have looked at the hardware compatibility list, but it is more
modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know of an existing box, 
NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just widely used in freebsd
community).

many thanks

--Joy



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Oh Knowledgable freebsd guru, how do i change the speed the cursor travels
across the screen when i press the arrow keys?

TIA

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 biz@bacon.cs.uchicago.edu wrote:

> I'd like to install freebsd and run the following services on an eternet 
> LAN:
> 
> -http
> -postfix
> -dns
> -ftp
> -samba (does this even run on freebsd?)

I have been using x86 hardware for years and they are common and cheap and
you can safely run http,dns,ftp and other network implementations.

> 
> i would like to be able to order this box online.
> 
> url suggestions anyone?!
> 
> i have looked at the hardware compatibility list, but it is more
> modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know of an existing box, 
> NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just widely used in freebsd
> community).

Take a copy of the hardware compatibility list and browse a online
computer shopping.

> many thanks
> 
> --Joy
> 
> 
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Hi,
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Working on a tigh schedule I was implementing a 4.2 host. Added
a couple of ports, most notably apache13+modssl. I didn't work.
Read some of the readme's and stuff, tried a few things and it
still didn't work. So, I thought ok, let's try apache13-ssl.

Unfortunately it was apache-1.3.12 while I was intending to
use apache-1.3.14 but moreover it didn't work either. Which
is weird indeed since apache-ssl has never failed me before.
Indeed, the 3.4 host happily runs it albeit with an outdated
'snake oil' certificate.

Hence I have two questions. First, I'm going to 'make delete'
every port that has to do with these things. Then I'm going
to reinstall them. I should end up with a reasonably clean
install, should I not? Or should I just wipe and reinstall ALL.

Then I'm planning to reinstall the mod_ssl. Does anyone know
the trick that I missed?

Roelof


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 > > What's a .ico file?
 
 > A Windows Icon file. IE5 tries to get favicon.ico from a site every
 > time a user bookmarks a site. I wanted something to get the cruft out
 > of my log files, and figured I might as well be-daemon the IE users
 > while I was at it.

:-)  Excellent!  Been wondering for ages what to do about these ..

Waiting on the 16 x 16 fempto-Chuck artistes with bated breath ..

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Hi.  I recently downloaded FreeBSD 4.2-install and I
installed it.  I managed to get it online, but have
been having a great deal of difficulty with the
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* biz@bacon.cs.uchicago.edu <biz@bacon.cs.uchicago.edu> [001127 11:28] wrote:
> coming from a world of proprietary unix and/or apple computers, i am
> ignorant of what the best pc hardware choice would be given the following
> criteria:
> 
> I'd like to install freebsd and run the following services on an eternet 
> LAN:
> 
> -http
> -postfix
> -dns
> -ftp
> -samba (does this even run on freebsd?)

  Yes it does.

> i would like to be able to order this box online.
> 
> url suggestions anyone?!

http://hardware.bsdi.com/cgi-bin/telenet.storefront 
http://www.bsdi.com/

> i have looked at the hardware compatibility list, but it is more
> modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know of an existing box, 
> NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just widely used in freebsd
> community).

We bought a BSDi/telenet box recently, it's fast stable and kicks
butt.  BSDi offers systems that will work with FreeBSD as they are
one of the major supporters of the project.

My only concern is that you want to run so many services on a single
box, for starting out I would split the DNS/mail off from the rest
of the services, run secondary dns and backup mail on the second
box along with the rest of the services you are interested in.

best of luck,
-- 
-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
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* Peter Brezny <peter@sysadmin-inc.com> [001127 11:36] wrote:
> Oh Knowledgable freebsd guru, how do i change the speed the cursor travels
> across the screen when i press the arrow keys?

Feed your cursor some amphetamines.

You owe the guru the rest of your stash.

Seriously, just add:

keyrate="fast"

to /etc/rc.conf

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hi,
download apache_1.3.14.tar.gz and mod_ssl-2.7.1-1.3.14.tar.gz
untar/zip'em and then go to mod_ssl dir.
# cd mod_ssl-2.7.x-1.3.x                                           
#./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.x 
              --with-crt=/path/to/your/server.crt \ <- optional
              --with-key=/path/to/your/server.key   <- optional
# cd ..
        [...Now add more Apache modules to the Apache source tree...]
# cd apache_1.3.x
#./configure  --enable-module=ssl \
              --prefix=/path/to/apache \

#make                                                             
#make certificate
#make install

hth ;-)
alex

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Roelof Osinga wrote:

> Working on a tigh schedule I was implementing a 4.2 host. Added
> a couple of ports, most notably apache13+modssl. I didn't work.
> Read some of the readme's and stuff, tried a few things and it
> still didn't work. So, I thought ok, let's try apache13-ssl.
> 
> Unfortunately it was apache-1.3.12 while I was intending to
> use apache-1.3.14 but moreover it didn't work either. Which
> is weird indeed since apache-ssl has never failed me before.
> Indeed, the 3.4 host happily runs it albeit with an outdated
> 'snake oil' certificate.
> 
> Hence I have two questions. First, I'm going to 'make delete'
> every port that has to do with these things. Then I'm going
> to reinstall them. I should end up with a reasonably clean
> install, should I not? Or should I just wipe and reinstall ALL.
> 
> Then I'm planning to reinstall the mod_ssl. Does anyone know
> the trick that I missed?
> 
> Roelof
> 
> 
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Hi,

We have a large network (300+) of FreeBSD machines. Most of these are
currently running FreeBSD 3.2. We have been trying out FreeBSD 4.1 on a
handful of machines and have been experiencing problems.

The machines we tested 4.1 on are really plain installs, and do nothing
but serve images. Only software on there is Apache 1.3.14 (problem appears
with 1.3.12 as well).

What happens is that Apache gets stuck on a read (apaches server-status
show all R's and a few W's), and spews out the following message (several
per seconds):

[Mon Nov 27 11:44:22 2000] [error] (54)Connection reset by peer:
getsockname


dmesg also has the following messages (tons):
arplookup xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx failed: could not allocate llinfo

Here's our system info
uname -a
FreeBSD cgfx2 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Mon Nov 13
10:36:38 PST 2000
root@cgfx2:/usr/src/sys/compile/ST-CGFX i386


Seems that this is a FreeBSD related problem since switching to a new
apache version didn't help any, and the fact that we have dozens of 3.2
boxes running the same setup but without problems.

The problem appears sporadic at times as to what machine it affects, but
once it's happened once it keeps on coming back. The only quick fix for
now is to do an 'apachectl restart'

I have seen other posts about this, and I know that other people are
experiencing the same problem. I would appreciate any input on this.


Thanks!

Atle Veka
Systems Administrator
Flying Crocodile Inc.



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I was in communication with Greg Lehey about this matter and at the time he 
had not come up with a solution since he had not yet received the Exabyte 
drives.  I am also still interested in a solution since I have yet to back 
up my system.

Thanks,
Eric


At 01:03 PM 11/24/2000 -0500, Paul Southworth wrote:

>[About a year ago there was a thread on freebsd-questions about Exabyte
>8200 drives which I would like to revive with the hope that someone found
>a solution.]
>
>On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:
>
>:On Thursday,  2 December 1999 at 15:17:47 -0600, Eric S. Nooden wrote:
>:> At 02:29 PM 12/2/99 -0600, Michael Hughes wrote:
>:>> Eric S. Nooden said in email to me:
>:>>>
>:>>> I am running into some problems trying to mount a tape drive.  When I 
>run:
>:>>>
>:>>> mt -f /dev/nrsa0 rewind   (or any command i.e. status)
>:>>>
>:>>> I get the following error message:
>:>>>
>:>>> (sa0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SENSE(06).  CDB:  1a 0 0 0 c 0
>:>>> (sa0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
>:>>>
>:>>> ***I did notice that when the command ran, the light on the tape 
>drive did
>:>>> flash.
>:>>>
>:>>> The file /var/log/messages reports the following about sa0:
>:>>>
>:>>> sa0: at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
>:>>> sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 2680> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device
>:>>> sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers
>
>I have what appears to be an almost identical drive.  Mine is reported
>as "<EXABYTE EXB-8200 IRM4> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device".
>
>This was a drive Exabyte made OEM for IBM and was sold in RS/6000s ten
>years ago, white faceplate and round blue eject button.  I am aware that
>it is a piece of crap - if I can make it work this whole machine is going
>to a charitable cause, otherwise the drive goes to the dumpster.
>
>I have it attached to a SCSI bus with a hard drive attached (id #0).  The
>tape is id #1.  The host adapter is an Adaptec 2930C at id #7.  I have
>verified no SCSI ID conflicts by removing each device and probing.
>
>I get the exact same error message when I 'mt -f /dev/rsa0 status'.
>
>I am running a 4.1.1 GENERIC kernel (freshly installed OS).
>
>:>>> Any help in mounting this beast and get backups done would be 
>appreciated.
>:>>
>:>>   Type changing dup switch 4 to on, on the MX Card.
>:>
>:> Thanks for replying.  I unfortunately must show my ignorance and ask "What
>:> is an MX Card?"  Are you referring to the SCCI controller or a card
>:> physically attached to the tape drive.
>:
>:I believe the MX board is the second from the back ot the unit.  You
>:should see an 8-position DIP switch on the right (looking from the
>:front).  Unfortunately, the units I have have special screws for which
>:I don't have any screwdrivers available here.  I'll see if I can
>:arrange something tomorrow.
>
>The small screws are Torx T-8 and the large are T-10.  Examining the MX 2
>card DIP block, factory settings were different from what I find on
>Exabyte's web site.  They say default is all switches "off".
>
>http://www.exabyte.com/suppserv/techsupp/8mm/fullhigh/in0011.html
>
>On mine, switches 2, 3, 4, 5, and 8 were on by default (ie, for use in an
>RS/6000).
>
>I tried moving all switches to off, and all switches off but 4 on.
>
>When switch 4 is _off_ the drive returns an error immediately after an
>'mt -f /dev/rsa0 status'.  If switch 4 is _on_ it takes about 10 seconds
>and then returns the same error, after blinking the drive lights and
>making it's little Exabyte tape tensioning noises.
>
>I realize that Exabyte shipped drives with insane firmware variations
>(especially OEM) but this drive previously worked (a while ago) in a Linux
>box (Intel hardware) with a 1.2 kernel, which seems like a good sign.
>
>If anyone has the dirt on this drive, please drop me a note.
>
>--Paul
>
>Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
>Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
>         The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
>FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE #0: Tue Sep 26 00:46:59 GMT 2000
>     jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC
>Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
>CPU: Pentium/P54C (99.87-MHz 586-class CPU)
>   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x526  Stepping = 6
>   Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8>
>real memory  = 33488896 (32704K bytes)
>config> di sn0
>config> di lnc0
>config> di le0
>config> di ie0
>config> di fe0
>config> di ed0
>config> di cs0
>config> di bt0
>config> di ata1
>config> di ata0
>config> di aic0
>config> di aha0
>config> di adv0
>config> q
>avail memory = 28614656 (27944K bytes)
>Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0416000.
>Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc041609c.
>Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug
>md0: Malloc disk
>npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
>npx0: INT 16 interface
>pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
>pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
>isab0: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0
>isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
>atapci0: <Intel PIIX4 ATA33 controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 
>on pci0
>atapci0: Busmastering DMA not enabled
>uhci0: <Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller> port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 11 
>at device 7.2 on pci0
>usb0: <Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller> on uhci0
>usb0: USB revision 1.0
>uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
>uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
>chip1: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> port 0xfcb0-0xfcbf at 
>device 7.3 on pci0
>ahc0: <Adaptec 2910/15/20/30C SCSI adapter> port 0xec00-0xecff mem 
>0xfebef000-0xfebeffff irq 9 at device 18.0 on pci0
>aic7850: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs
>pci0: <S3 Trio 64V2/DX/GX graphics accelerator> at 20.0 irq 11
>ep0: <3Com 3C509-Combo EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0
>ep0: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:4d:35:5f
>fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
>fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
>fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
>atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
>atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
>kbd0 at atkbd0
>vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
>sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
>sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
>sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
>sio0: type 16550A
>sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
>sio1: type 16550A
>ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
>ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
>ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold
>plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
>lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
>lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
>ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
>Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
>sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
>sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 IRM4> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device
>sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers
>da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
>da0: <SEAGATE ST15150N 0023> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
>da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
>da0: 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 522C)
>Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0
>(sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST



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I think I asked this once before but never got a response. Is there a
way to refresh the in-kernel slice table without rebooting?

I just resliced a disk on a running machine. Basically, I had set
aside some space for other OSes when I first set up the box a few
months ago. However, the role of the machine has changed and now I
might as well (need to, actually) give all of the space to FreeBSD. I
didn't touch slice 1, ad0s1, where FreeBSD lives, but expanded slice 2
to eat the whole disk and nuked slices 3 and 4.

Here is the old table,

  ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 *******
  parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
  cylinders=622 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

  parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
  cylinders=622 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

  Media sector size is 512
  Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
  Information from DOS bootblock is:
  The data for partition 1 is:
  sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
      start 63, size 4996152 (2439 Meg), flag 80 (active)
          beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1;
          end: cyl 310/ sector 63/ head 254
  The data for partition 2 is:
  sysid 130,(Linux swap or Solaris x86)
      start 4996215, size 192780 (94 Meg), flag 0
          beg: cyl 311/ sector 1/ head 0;
          end: cyl 322/ sector 63/ head 254
  The data for partition 3 is:
  sysid 131,(Linux filesystem)
      start 5188995, size 401625 (196 Meg), flag 0
          beg: cyl 323/ sector 1/ head 0;
          end: cyl 347/ sector 63/ head 254
  The data for partition 4 is:
  sysid 131,(Linux filesystem)
      start 5590620, size 4401810 (2149 Meg), flag 0
          beg: cyl 348/ sector 1/ head 0;
          end: cyl 621/ sector 63/ head 254

And the new,

  ******* Working on device /dev/ad0 *******
  parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are:
  cylinders=622 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

  parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are:
  cylinders=622 heads=255 sectors/track=63 (16065 blks/cyl)

  Media sector size is 512
  Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1
  Information from DOS bootblock is:
  The data for partition 1 is:
  sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
      start 63, size 4996152 (2439 Meg), flag 80 (active)
          beg: cyl 0/ sector 1/ head 1;
          end: cyl 310/ sector 63/ head 254
  The data for partition 2 is:
  sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD)
      start 4996215, size 4996215 (2439 Meg), flag 0
            beg: cyl 311/ sector 1/ head 0;
            end: cyl 621/ sector 63/ head 254
  The data for partition 3 is:
  <UNUSED>
  The data for partition 4 is:
  <UNUSED>

After I did the reslice, I wanted to put a FreeBSD disklabel on the
new slice so I ran,

  # disklabel -r -w ad0s2 auto

Which succeded with no errors, but when I check the label,

  # disklabel ad0s2
  # /dev/ad0s2:
  type: ESDI
  disk: ad0s2
  label: 
  flags:
  bytes/sector: 512
  sectors/track: 63
  tracks/cylinder: 255
  sectors/cylinder: 16065
  cylinders: 12
  sectors/unit: 192780
  rpm: 3600
  interleave: 1
  trackskew: 0
  cylinderskew: 0
  headswitch: 0           # milliseconds
  track-to-track seek: 0  # milliseconds
  drivedata: 0 

  8 partitions:
  #        size   offset    fstype   [fsize bsize bps/cpg]
    c:   192780        0    unused        0     0         # (Cyl.    0 - 11)

We see this is a lot smaller than the new big slice. If we examine
more closely, we see that this is what we would have expected for the
_old_ slice 2.

If I try manually edit the label to the new size I get,

  # disklabel -e ad0s2
  disklabel: No space left on device
  re-edit the label? [y]: 

I cannot write the correct label to the disk. It seems the kernel
remembers the old slice table, and I can't figure out how to load the
new one in there. I had this problem once in the past, but it was just
an annoyance since rebooting that machine was no problem. Rebooting
this machine is a pain since it has some things I'd rather not
interupt running.

Any solutions or workarounds?
-- 
Crist J. Clark                           cjclark@alum.mit.edu


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Alexander V P wrote:
> 
> hi,
> download apache_1.3.14.tar.gz and mod_ssl-2.7.1-1.3.14.tar.gz
> untar/zip'em and then go to mod_ssl dir.
> # cd mod_ssl-2.7.x-1.3.x
> #./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.x
>               --with-crt=/path/to/your/server.crt \ <- optional
>               --with-key=/path/to/your/server.key   <- optional
> # cd ..
>         [...Now add more Apache modules to the Apache source tree...]
> # cd apache_1.3.x
> #./configure  --enable-module=ssl \
>               --prefix=/path/to/apache \
> 
> #make
> #make certificate
> #make install
> 
> hth ;-)
> alex


Yeah, but ... <g> That's taking it out of the ports system. Which I
did not want to do. Besides, it doesn't explain why the port won't
work. I.e.

../apache13-modssl/work/apache_1.3.14# less config.status does have

"--prefix=/usr/local" \
"--server-gid=nogroup" \
"--with-perl=/usr/bin/perl" \
"--with-layout=/usr/ports/www/apache13-modssl/files/FreeBSD.layout:FreeBSD"
\
"--suexec-docroot=/usr/local/www/data" \
"--without-confadjust" \
"--enable-module=most" \
"--enable-module=auth_db" \
"--enable-module=mmap_static" \
"--disable-module=auth_dbm" \
"--enable-shared=max" \
"--enable-module=ssl" \
"--enable-module=define" \

The ../mod_ssl-2.7.1-1.3.14# less config.status does have

./configure \
"--with-apache=../apache_1.3.14" \
"--expert" \
"$@"

and the certificates were made. The httpd.conf looks good. A
ssl_engine.log
was made. So, all in all it looks like your steps are already present
in the port.

Also, I haven't rolled it manually since way back when. '97 or
something. In linux with a different directory structure. Stepping
out of the ports system also means losing CVSup benefits. OTOH, you
gain flexibility <g>. And work.

If at all possible I would like to stay within the ports confinement.
Though I will save your message, just in case <g>.

Thanks!

Roelof


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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:43:35PM -0600, Eric S. Nooden wrote:

FYI:

Nov 26 21:52:40 freebie /kernel: sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 2687> Removable
Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device

has been working well for me. Not that I use it very often, my DLT4000
is a lotter quicker/better.


> I was in communication with Greg Lehey about this matter and at the time he 
> had not come up with a solution since he had not yet received the Exabyte 
> drives.  I am also still interested in a solution since I have yet to back 
> up my system.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric
> 
> 
> At 01:03 PM 11/24/2000 -0500, Paul Southworth wrote:
> 
> >[About a year ago there was a thread on freebsd-questions about Exabyte
> >8200 drives which I would like to revive with the hope that someone found
> >a solution.]
> >
> >On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:
> >
> >:On Thursday,  2 December 1999 at 15:17:47 -0600, Eric S. Nooden wrote:
> >:> At 02:29 PM 12/2/99 -0600, Michael Hughes wrote:
> >:>> Eric S. Nooden said in email to me:
> >:>>>
> >:>>> I am running into some problems trying to mount a tape drive.  When I 
> >run:
> >:>>>
> >:>>> mt -f /dev/nrsa0 rewind   (or any command i.e. status)
> >:>>>
> >:>>> I get the following error message:
> >:>>>
> >:>>> (sa0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SENSE(06).  CDB:  1a 0 0 0 c 0
> >:>>> (sa0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> >:>>>
> >:>>> ***I did notice that when the command ran, the light on the tape 
> >drive did
> >:>>> flash.
> >:>>>
> >:>>> The file /var/log/messages reports the following about sa0:
> >:>>>
> >:>>> sa0: at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
> >:>>> sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 2680> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device
> >:>>> sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers
> >
> >I have what appears to be an almost identical drive.  Mine is reported
> >as "<EXABYTE EXB-8200 IRM4> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device".

-- 
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote:

:Nov 26 21:52:40 freebie /kernel: sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 2687> Removable
:Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device
:
:has been working well for me. Not that I use it very often, my DLT4000
:is a lotter quicker/better.


What version of FreeBSD are you running, what SCSI controller are you
using, and what are the DIP switch settings on the MX 2 card in your
Exabyte?

--Paul



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A quick glance in freebsd.org/ports comes up with:

/usr/ports/www/p5-Apache-ASP/

This should be what you're looking for.. assuming you're running Apache
as your web server

RSN

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Gary David Watson wrote:

> Maybe you can help me.
> 
> We are currently running Free BSD on our webserver.  I would like to
> impliment the ASP Script Engine on our server to support ASP pages.  Can you
> direct me to the location of where I can download this update for Unix Free
> BSD?
> 
> Thanks,
>     Gary D. Watson
>     Technical Manager
> 
> OBURG.NET INC.
> 1130 Summers Ave.
> Orangeburg, SC 29115
> Phone: (803)539-0095
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> Website: http://www.oburg.net
> 
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I'm just curious about something. I noticed the other day that the entire
linux kernel is compiled with options -O2 -m486. I was wondering if this
really causes any performance increase and was also wondering if there is
anywhere on the web that can show this. I am wondering because I was going
to use these options with FreeBSD (or -march=pentiumpro or -mpentiumpro,
and -Os instead of -O2). 

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:40:14PM -0500, Paul Southworth wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> 
> :Nov 26 21:52:40 freebie /kernel: sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 2687> Removable
> :Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device
> :
> :has been working well for me. Not that I use it very often, my DLT4000
> :is a lotter quicker/better.
> 
> 
> What version of FreeBSD are you running, what SCSI controller are you

4.2R / Adaptec 2940UW

> using, and what are the DIP switch settings on the MX 2 card in your
> Exabyte?

Dunno. It is built into a DEC StorageWorks brick (homebuiltin) and I cannot
check this without dismantling the whole thing.

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 biz@bacon.cs.uchicago.edu wrote:

> I'd like to install freebsd and run the following services on an eternet 
> LAN:
> 
> -http
> -postfix
> -dns
> -ftp
> -samba (does this even run on freebsd?)

Yes, and it runs well.. 

> 
> i would like to be able to order this box online.
> 
> url suggestions anyone?!
> 
> i have looked at the hardware compatibility list, but it is more
> modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know of an existing box, 
> NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just widely used in freebsd
> community).

*most* computers will work fine under FreeBSD... it's just a matter of how
much horsepower/money you want put in the box. There are a couple of
things to avoid (from my personal experience)..
1] Motherboards with onboard hardware (video/lan/sound) etc.
2] Unknown hardware (ie vendor just lists 'Video Card' instead of full
brand/model information)
3] Major Vendors (ie Dell,Gateway etc).. they may have superior support
(from what I've heard) but for the most part, the products are
too overpriced to justify that.

Hope that helps some...

RSN 



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- Hello
- I don't see why you are not using ports to install mysql
- It (ports) puts things in standard places
- It does everything for you automatically

- Unless your client / boss/ system administrator is giving you specific
installation methods

- You should install mysql from the ports .


On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote:
> Hi, I havent be able to installing mysql-server from fbsd ports collection
> (due compiling errors), so, I dled the version 3.23.28-gamma, i read the
> docs about installing it and i did this:
> 
> #./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mit-threads --with-low-memory
> #make
> --> error compiling: "..undefined reference to thread_signal"
> 
> this neither works:
> #./configure --with-native-threads
> 
> so, What others options do i have in order to install mysql on
> freebsd-3.5-stable?
> 
> p.s. i found a file named freebsd-3.0-librc-1.1.diff, what is it for?
> 
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* Kenneth Culver <culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu> [001127 13:47] wrote:
> I'm just curious about something. I noticed the other day that the entire
> linux kernel is compiled with options -O2 -m486. I was wondering if this
> really causes any performance increase and was also wondering if there is
> anywhere on the web that can show this. I am wondering because I was going
> to use these options with FreeBSD (or -march=pentiumpro or -mpentiumpro,
> and -Os instead of -O2). 

Yes, the optimization works, however because we still want to support
386s and because of bad experiances with the gcc optimizer in the
past we don't really like to debug problems with kernels that have
high levels of optimization because sometimes it's gcc's fault (or
at least it could be in the past).

If you want to compile the kernel and world like that edit /etc/make.conf
and add your options to CFLAGS:

CFLAGS= -O -pipe

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> Gary David Watson wrote:
> 
> Maybe you can help me.
> 
> We are currently running Free BSD on our webserver.  I would like to
> impliment the ASP Script Engine on our server to support ASP pages.
> Can you direct me to the location of where I can download this update
> for Unix Free BSD?

There is something in the ports collection called www/p5-Apache-ASP
and there is the Hot!Chili system. Don't know the quality of either.

HTH.

Roelof


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Hi All:

I am contemplating buying a Kingston Turbochip 400 upgrade CPU (that is
based on a K6-II 400 MHz. core), for a dual OS (Windows/FreeBSD) box
that currently is running a K6 233 MHz. with an Abit PX5 motherboard
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Are there any known problems with FreeBSD running on a TurboChip 400?
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Hi -
	(I've searched the lists and found nothing so here goes...)

I've dual booted before with win98/freebsd without problems, but win2k
seems a bit different...  I've got a 10GB drive with 2GB and 8GB
partitions (in that order).  I installed win2k on the 8GB part (it also
installed some files on the 2GB part -- ntldr, etc...).   I did it this
way to avoid the 8GB boundary.

According to win2k everything I do is on "D:".

Today I decided to try installing FreeBSD... so I put in the boot disks
and re-typed the partition, wrote it, installed the boot manager.  Then I
quit cause I needed to get back into windows for work (*sigh*) and
couldn't.  the boot manager didn't see anything but the FreeBSD partition.

Well, after mucking around a lot I got rid of the boot partitition, but
still no windows 2000.  I finally booted the CD in rescue mode and
formatted C: (2GB) and copied over the handful of files it needed.  Now
win2k boots.


Anyway, a kind of scary experience :)


So... can someone tell me how to get the two to co-exist?  And is it going
to even be possible to do it this way or am I going to need to put win2k
first, then freebsd?  Also, once I do this, win2k will think it's on
"C:" won't it?  What all will that mess up since it now thinks it's on
"D:"?

Thanks!

-philip



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hi.  i've searched the handbook, tutorial, FAQ, and parts of the
mailing list archives but haven't found direct answers to the
following questions.  i hope you don't mind answering them for me; it
will save me a lot of time looking through the code, and / or writing
test cases:

let's say i'm running 4.x-stable.

1. if i use the pthreads interface, is each thread a process that
   happens to share the same addr space (like linux), or are all the
   threads part of the same single process (same PID)?

2. is the threading preemptive?  or do i have to explicitly yield?

3. if preemptive, does that occur at user-level, or by the kernel?
   (and how costly is it?)

4. if one thread makes a system call that could block for some time,
   will another thread be automatically chosen?  or will the whole
   collection of threads sleep until the call returns?

5. if i signal a particular thread, is the signal delivered to one
   thread or to all the threads in the process?

6. if a thread or process (terminology sucks) enters the kernel, can
   the scheduler preempt it and select another thread / process to
   run?  (q.v., what many people call having kernel threads.)  or will
   that process / thread dominate the system until it voluntarily
   relinquishes the processor?

7. are there other threads interfaces besides pthreads that i should
   be aware of?  what are the differences?  e.g., assuming freebsd
   supports a clone()-like interface, do some threads packages use it
   while others do as much as they can without kernel support?

i'm probably forgetting some questions, but these are the bulk.  i'm
just wondering what the current thread model is as i contemplate
moving my development to FreeBSD.

thanks,
david

p.s.: please include me in any responses as i'm not subscribed to
FreeBSD lists at the moment.


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> So... can someone tell me how to get the two to co-exist?  And is it going
> to even be possible to do it this way or am I going to need to put win2k
> first, then freebsd?  Also, once I do this, win2k will think it's on
> "C:" won't it?  What all will that mess up since it now thinks it's on
> "D:"?

	I got around this this weekend by leaving the first partition
unassigned (according to FDISK,) and unformated. It actually took the 2nd
partition, assigned it c:\ and went from there... But I had to format it
first before loading Windows.


					Rick



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Hi,

I noticed that netcraft is keeping track of uptime information for
webservers now, but I was surprised somewhat to find out that FreeBSD
systems do not provide uptime information (at least to Netcraft)

Does anyone know specifically how Netcraft tracks this information?

Thanks,
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HI All,

I have a gateway box running 4.0-release. Everything is working fine
except one thing: when I telnet or ftp to the other LAN boxes, it looks
the  DNS first. I am positive that I have the /etc/hosts file set right
and /etc/host.conf in the right order -- hosts first then bind.

When I ping or ssh , it is right -- it does refer the /etc/hosts file.
But not telnet and ftp.

ANy ideas?



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It could be as simple as updating the ports with the upgrade kit here...

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/

There are many there, so choose the one for your version of FreeBSD.  Also
be sure to get the latest mysql port files.  You can either run cvs to get
the most recent or just download this port file.

ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/branches/-current/ports/databases/mysql322-server.tar

That should help you.

Let me know if it works out for you.  There are a couple other things to
try as well.  (Yo puedo entender espanol tambien.)

Brennan Stehling - web developer and sys admin
projects: www.greasydaemon.com | www.onmilwaukee.com | www.sncalumni.com

Do you ever find it is easier to explain an idea if you put it into
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Danny wrote:

> 
> - Hello
> - I don't see why you are not using ports to install mysql
> - It (ports) puts things in standard places
> - It does everything for you automatically
> 
> - Unless your client / boss/ system administrator is giving you specific
> installation methods
> 
> - You should install mysql from the ports .
> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Operador del sistema wrote:
> > Hi, I havent be able to installing mysql-server from fbsd ports collection
> > (due compiling errors), so, I dled the version 3.23.28-gamma, i read the
> > docs about installing it and i did this:
> > 
> > #./configure --prefix=/usr/local --with-mit-threads --with-low-memory
> > #make
> > --> error compiling: "..undefined reference to thread_signal"
> > 
> > this neither works:
> > #./configure --with-native-threads
> > 
> > so, What others options do i have in order to install mysql on
> > freebsd-3.5-stable?
> > 
> > p.s. i found a file named freebsd-3.0-librc-1.1.diff, what is it for?
> > 
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2000 at 10:44:59PM -0600, Ryan Breding wrote:
> > I keep getting these messages in the /var/log/message output:
> > 
> > Nov 25 15:12:30 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> > from 127.0.0.1:2844
> > Nov 25 15:13:54 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> > from 127.0.0.1:2851
> > 
> > I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is
> > "biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail
> > ?  I dont see biff running in the process list.

A quick search of the mail archives (something you should do before
posting to -questions) reveals that this question is asked many times.

sendmail(8) is trying to notify users about a mail delivery.  There are a
couple of ways to turn this feature off:

 - put FEATURE(`no_default_msa') in your sendmail.cf file and regenerate.
 - add -B to the LOCAL_MAILER_ARGS in sendmail.cf, regenerate.

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current software and o/s

FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE
sendmail 8.11.1
cyrus-sasl 1.5.24_4
libtool-1.3.4_1
m4-1.4
db3-3.1.17
autoconf-2.13
automake-1.4

here is what my site.config.m4 looks like with the added cyrus sasl taken
from http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html

APPENDDEF(`confENVDEF', `-DSASL')
APPENDDEF(`conf_sendmail_LIBS', `-lsasl')
APPENDDEF(`confLIBDIRS', `-L/usr/local/lib/sasl')
APPENDDEF(`confINCDIRS', `-I/usr/local/include/')

i've had a problem trying to configure sendmail with cyrus sasl .. i've
tried installing two ways.

one from the ports and modifying the ports site.config.m4 before building
so i can add the paths to find cyrus-sasl

or i manually configure and install sendmail and cyrus sasl.  no matter
which i do i always end up with this error:

root@vacant:// cd /usr/ports/mail/sendmail/
root@vacant:// make build
===>  Building for sendmail-8.11.1
Making all in:
/usr/ports/mail/sendmail/work/sendmail-8.11.1/libsmutil
Configuration: pfx=, os=FreeBSD, rel=4.2-STABLE, rbase=4,
rroot=4.2-STABLE, arch=i386, sfx=, variant=optimized
Making in ../obj.FreeBSD.4.2-STABLE.i386/libsmutil
Making all in:
/usr/ports/mail/sendmail/work/sendmail-8.11.1/libsmdb
Configuration: pfx=, os=FreeBSD, rel=4.2-STABLE, rbase=4,
rroot=4.2-STABLE, arch=i386, sfx=, variant=optimized
Making in ../obj.FreeBSD.4.2-STABLE.i386/libsmdb
Making all in:
/usr/ports/mail/sendmail/work/sendmail-8.11.1/sendmail
Configuration: pfx=, os=FreeBSD, rel=4.2-STABLE, rbase=4,
rroot=4.2-STABLE, arch=i386, sfx=, variant=optimized
Making in ../obj.FreeBSD.4.2-STABLE.i386/sendmail
cc -o sendmail  -L/usr/local/lib/sasl main.o alias.o arpadate.o bf_torek.o
clock.o collect.o conf.o control.o convtime.o daemon.o deliver.o domain.o
envelope.o err.o headers.o macro.o map.o mci.o milter.o mime.o parseaddr.o
queue.o readcf.o recipient.o savemail.o sfsasl.o shmticklib.o srvrsmtp.o
stab.o stats.o sysexits.o timers.o trace.o udb.o usersmtp.o util.o
version.o     -lsasl ../libsmutil/libsmutil.a  -lutil
/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lsasl
*** Error code 1

Stop in
/usr/ports/mail/sendmail/work/sendmail-8.11.1/obj.FreeBSD.4.2-STABLE.i386/sendmail.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/sendmail/work/sendmail-8.11.1.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/sendmail.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/sendmail.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/mail/sendmail.

i basically don't understand why its saying it can't find lsasl .. i ran
the command

/sbin/ldconfig -elf -m /usr/local/lib

it should have updated that so it knows that sasl is there.

anyway i'm stuck .. any help would be appreicated.

- Dan



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From owner-freebsd-questions  Mon Nov 27 15:42:35 2000
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Alright, I knew how to do it but thanks :-) Anyway, I compiled with -Os
-march=pentiumpro and my kernel started randomly panicing on heavy disk
activity (once starting netscape, and once syncing disks) so I think I'll
just stick with the defaults.


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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

> * Kenneth Culver <culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu> [001127 13:47] wrote:
> > I'm just curious about something. I noticed the other day that the entire
> > linux kernel is compiled with options -O2 -m486. I was wondering if this
> > really causes any performance increase and was also wondering if there is
> > anywhere on the web that can show this. I am wondering because I was going
> > to use these options with FreeBSD (or -march=pentiumpro or -mpentiumpro,
> > and -Os instead of -O2). 
> 
> Yes, the optimization works, however because we still want to support
> 386s and because of bad experiances with the gcc optimizer in the
> past we don't really like to debug problems with kernels that have
> high levels of optimization because sometimes it's gcc's fault (or
> at least it could be in the past).
> 
> If you want to compile the kernel and world like that edit /etc/make.conf
> and add your options to CFLAGS:
> 
> CFLAGS= -O -pipe
> 
> -- 
> -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
> "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk."
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hello,

i tried to install FreeBSD 2.2.5 on old 486sx33 and found out one
problem.
When i send mail from console ( #mail user) it takes 1 min to put it in
user's
mailbox. And when i send or get messages from Outlook Express or
Netscape Messanger it takes about 2 min to start delivery.
Why? What should i do?

thanks

P.S. please send to ivan@yakute.elektra.ru




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Look in /etc/inetd.conf for the comment about comsat (line 15).

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Gerald T. Freymann wrote:

>  On our FreeBSD 2.2.6 box, when new messages came in and I was logged onto
> the server, I'd see who it was from and about the first two lines pop up on
> my console.
> 
>  Since I put in the new server using FreeBSD 4.1.1-stable, I only see this:
> 
> marlo: {101} %
> New mail for freymann@marlo.eagle.ca has arrived:
> ----
> 
>  I've read the man pages on biff and comsat but I don't see anything that
> says how many lines of the incoming message will be displayed or how to
> change it. Did I overlook the info I seek?
> 
>  I just issue a "biff n" command right now since the message alert is kinda
> useless as it.
> 
> -Gerry
> 

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After returning 3 computers to CompUSA and a whole lot
of learning as to why they did not work when the
salespeople said it would, I have had a good experince
with ASA Computers.
http://www.asacomputers.com/
I had minor problems with them that they responed to
by email and voice very promptly. They seem to be very
resonably priced.

If you have an idea of what kind of performance you
want and budget, they can probably flesh things out.
Just make sure you get a video card in a slot.

I would definatly buy from them again. Jeff

ps. while getting back a $200 open box fee, I was
talking to the CompUSA store manager and he asked me
what kind of program UNIX was. Oh my....

> 
> > I'd like to install freebsd and run the following
> services on an eternet 
> > LAN:
> > 
> > -http
> > -postfix
> > -dns
> > -ftp
> > -samba (does this even run on freebsd?)
> 
> Yes, and it runs well.. 
> 
> > 
> > i would like to be able to order this box online.
> > 
> > url suggestions anyone?!
> > 
> > i have looked at the hardware compatibility list,
> but it is more
> > modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know
> of an existing box, 
> > NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just
> widely used in freebsd
> > community).
> 
> *most* computers will work fine under FreeBSD...
> it's just a matter of how
> much horsepower/money you want put in the box. There
> are a couple of
> things to avoid (from my personal experience)..
> 1] Motherboards with onboard hardware
> (video/lan/sound) etc.
> 2] Unknown hardware (ie vendor just lists 'Video
> Card' instead of full
> brand/model information)
> 3] Major Vendors (ie Dell,Gateway etc).. they may
> have superior support
> (from what I've heard) but for the most part, the
> products are
> too overpriced to justify that.


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> > Oh Knowledgable freebsd guru, how do i change the speed the cursor travels
> > across the screen when i press the arrow keys?
> 
> Feed your cursor some amphetamines.
> 
> You owe the guru the rest of your stash.
> 
> Seriously, just add:
> 
> keyrate="fast"
> 
> to /etc/rc.conf

Or you can do a "kbdcontrol -r fast" to avoid a reboot...

> 
> -- 
> -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
> "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk."
> 
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Mon Nov 27 16: 9:56 2000
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I just spent a bunch a time trying to get SKIP working on 4.2-RELEASE hoping
it had been fixed.  We have not been able to run it on anything after
4.0-RELEASE (including 4 Stable).

Everything operates correctly to authenticate for both the source and
destination hosts (source > 4.0, destination < = 4.0).  Packets are
correctly formed and sent to the destination host where they are unpacked
and decrypted properly - the destination machine encrypts and correctly
encapsulates the return packets (using ping) which are delivered back to the
source machine where they are correctly delivered to bpf (shown via
tcpdump).

Unfortunately at that point, I can't tell exactly what is going on.  Skiplog
on the source machine complains:

                Warning: destination.com (206.102.130.14) failed
authentication
                Its certificate/key id may be invalid

but skipd.log contains:

Nov 27 14:37:32 source skipd: Received encrypt key request for nsid=8
mkid=destination.key
Nov 27 14:37:33 source skipd: OK: kernel query nsid=8 mkid=destination.key

so the encryption key is found to be acceptable.

Strangest of all, packet 353 gets through and then every 257th packet after
that does, too.

Looks like something has happened to the bpf/skip/device_driver messaging
after 4.0-RELEASE.

Any ideas or observations will be appreciated.

Jim Flowers mailto:jflowers@ezo.net




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Hiyall!

I'm trying to install 4.1.1-release onto a 6gb ATA disk
(LBA geometry 776/240/63)
I fips'd a 1.8gb slice (ad0s3) from windows, used the
sysinstall fdisk to set it to type 165, and tried to
put a 100mb / partition on it.  But sysinstall's disklabel sez:

"This region cannot be used for your root partitions as the FreeBSD
boot code cannot deal with a root partition created in that location.
Please choose another location or smaller size for your root
partition and try again".

What's going on here??  I've found similar questions in the -questions
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Thanks for any help!!!!

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I managed to get my printer working (hp 5m network printer) under
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Hi Petar,

> My name is Petar Markov. I am system administrator. But I am beginner for
BSD :(
> I want to install FreeBSD on one of the computer in our firm and set up it
for Firewall and Viruswall.

> I want how install firewall and NAT. But I DON'T know how install
viruswall... Maybe I must install
> Proxy server first and then install software who will chek all e-mail
messages and web ....

I don?t know your viruswall program, but have a look in the mailing-list
archive on
http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists

There was a discussion about virus-checking on FreeBSD-servers some weeks
ago. Try "anti-virus" as search term for example.
Hopefully some other guy can help further, if you try a more explicit
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I built and installed a 4.2-RELEASE world with the following:

CFLAGS= -m486 -march=i486 -O2 -pipe
COPTFLAGS= -m486 -march=i486 -O2 -pipe

...mainly as an exercise in pain (it took about 26 hours :-)

Its a 486DX-66 with 32MB and has been working fine for the last 4 days.  I
doubt I can see any performance increase - the thing is gonna be slow no
matter what I do to it :-)


On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Kenneth Culver wrote:

> Alright, I knew how to do it but thanks :-) Anyway, I compiled with -Os
> -march=pentiumpro and my kernel started randomly panicing on heavy disk
> activity (once starting netscape, and once syncing disks) so I think I'll
> just stick with the defaults.
> 
> 
> =================================================================
> | Kenneth Culver              | FreeBSD: The best NT upgrade.   |
> | Unix Systems Administrator  | ICQ #: 24767726                 |
> | and student at The          | AIM: muythaibxr                 |
> | The University of Maryland, | Website: (Under Construction)   |
> | College Park.	              | http://www.wam.umd.edu/~culverk/|
> =================================================================
> 
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> > * Kenneth Culver <culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu> [001127 13:47] wrote:
> > > I'm just curious about something. I noticed the other day that the entire
> > > linux kernel is compiled with options -O2 -m486. I was wondering if this
> > > really causes any performance increase and was also wondering if there is
> > > anywhere on the web that can show this. I am wondering because I was going
> > > to use these options with FreeBSD (or -march=pentiumpro or -mpentiumpro,
> > > and -Os instead of -O2). 
> > 
> > Yes, the optimization works, however because we still want to support
> > 386s and because of bad experiances with the gcc optimizer in the
> > past we don't really like to debug problems with kernels that have
> > high levels of optimization because sometimes it's gcc's fault (or
> > at least it could be in the past).
> > 
> > If you want to compile the kernel and world like that edit /etc/make.conf
> > and add your options to CFLAGS:
> > 
> > CFLAGS= -O -pipe
> > 
> > -- 
> > -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
> > "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk."
> > 
> 
> 
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Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> types:
>  > > What's a .ico file?
>  > A Windows Icon file. IE5 tries to get favicon.ico from a site every
>  > time a user bookmarks a site. I wanted something to get the cruft out
>  > of my log files, and figured I might as well be-daemon the IE users
>  > while I was at it.
> :-)  Excellent!  Been wondering for ages what to do about these ..
> Waiting on the 16 x 16 fempto-Chuck artistes with bated breath ..

Well, you can look at my attempt (note: I am *not* an artist!) by
grabbing <URL: http://www.mired.org/favicon.ico >.

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Mark,

JBuilder 4 for Linux does not run on FreeBSD-4.1, but the Sun JDK 1.3 for 
Linux runs fine (after a minor obvious patch to the java script).  With some 
work I suspect th JBuilder package could run on FreeBSD;  I have no pressing 
need and investigated only out of curiosity.

Dave

>On Monday 27 November 2000 06:43, Alexander Batzios wrote:
>> Hi all. I've just had to go to Linsux, uhm, Linux due to some compatibility
>> issues. I've tried mandrake and redhat but it seems they are too unstable
>> to use.
>>
>> I'm thinking of going back to freebsd but there are certain issues that
>> concern me.
>> 1) I need to do some serious software development with JBuilder. I've only
>> seen JBuilder and Java for Linux. Is there a chance they'll run on FreeBSD?
>
>
>No idea but there is generic support for java.  
>
>Port:   jdk-1.1.8
>Path:   /usr/ports/java/jdk
>Info:   Sun's Java Developers Kit
>Maint:  nate@FreeBSD.org - maybe this guy can help you more
>
>
>
>> Do I have to use some sort of linux emulation? If yes, how fast and
>> reliable is it?
>
>Probably, reasonably,quite.
>
>
>> 2) How good is KDE 2 support in FreeBSD 2?
>
>/usr/ports/x11/kde2    Well I use it and it mostly works and I am mostly 
>	
>happy with it
>
>
>> 3) I am using a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. Is FreeBSD compatible with that?
>
>Greg Lehey has got one...so it probably works
>
>Hope that is of some use.
>
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 12:19:04PM -0500, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> > well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V and the
> > closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.  Linux is based largely in
> > Posix.  You'll remember that BSD was originally developed using the
> > AT&T code and while it contains no AT&T code today, linux never did.
> 
> You have it backwards. System V integrates things from 4.4BSD and from the
> other branch of UNIX (System IV?). 
> 
> 
Everyone is getting close.. but still no cigar .. lol

Long ago there was the 6th Edition of UNIX, the first available
outside of Bell Labs. It was cute, minute and very fast. It had
a handful of system calls, the original Bourne Shell (which had
a "goto" in it I recall, implemented as an external program).
Then there was the 7th Edition. Everything was made "bigger",
data structure sizes, system calls, tools (like make!) etc..
It ran like a dead pig on the PDP11's of the time.

At UCB they took this version and BSD started to grow...

The 7th Edition didn't last long. BSD Unix was starting to make a
noise, particularly on VAXes..later came AT&T System 3, there was
never a System 4, and then System 5.

System V integrated many of the things from BSD.

BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
the most awful Unix system ever let loose).

Most others got based loosely or otherwise on licensed code
from AT&T, and there was always obeissance to the Regents of
the University of California" in the copyright notices.
This is the basis for HP-UX, Dynix/PTX, SCO etc etc...

So ... without the BSD kernel stuff and other things UNIX would 
not be the system it is today.  

As to which one to learn. Well you are going to have to pay for
HP-UX as well as something to run on it on, so I would discount
that. Besides which RISC chips are on their downward spiral back
to the niche they were created for orginally (high-end grpahics)
and will continue to be used by Silicon Graphics I suppose for
making block busting movies.

Since RISC has been imho the biggest single barrier to the
development of a common operating platform, this may not
be a loss. I suspect proprietary version of UNIX as such will
eventually die out. Possibly not Solaris for a long while, but
Sun have always been en enfant terrible, refusing to accept standards
except their own for example.

BSD I gather contains no code from the orginal BSD Unix, but
my recent limited exposure to it has definitely given me the (old)
BSD impressions. I have no exposure to the other systems with
BSD in their name, so I will not comment.

Linux contains no UNIX code, but if it looks like anything it
looks like System V. It is also, in my view, easier to learn
for a beginner (no flames please). It comes in a Heinz like variety
of distributions which differ in system setup and system management,
often quite dramatically. 

If you are looking for this as a possible career enhancing
factor, again choose Linux. 

On the other hand if you are simply keen to get exposure to systems
predicated on things other than Microsoft's .. well it does not
matter so much. See whether the posts on the various newsgroups 
lean you one way or another...

Good Luck

Oh I forgot to mention AIX, IBM's Unix. There I've mentioned it.



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> Akshay Lamba wrote:
> 
> Hi!! I am a graduate student at university of michigan.  I have now
> been able to get my
> server up but with a few gliches. I have a freebsd server with 2
> network
> cards. I need that data packets should be interchanges between the 2
> cards
> so that the workstations (attached to one of the cards through a hub)
> can
> access the internet attached to the other card. Now, I did some
> reading on
> it and it seems i have to create a "bridge" between the 2 cards. I
> just
> wanted to confirm from you if this is right. Also.. the documentation
> gives
> the following lines about creating a bridge.

I think you might just want to add this to your /etc/rc.conf (create it
if it doesn't exist):

gateway_enable="YES"

This will allow packets to pass between your two cards.

Hope I was helpful.

> ----------------------------------------------
> 16.3.3.2. Kernel configuration changes
> To enable kernel support for bridging, add the
> 
>     options BRIDGE
> 
> statement to your kernel configuration file, and rebuild your kernel.
> -----------------------------------------------
> 
> Could you explain to me what it means. My main questions are:-
> 1. Which is the kernel configuration file.
> 2. How do i rebuild by kernel and then get it up and running.
> 
> Thanks a lot of your help.
> 
> Regards.
> Akshay Lamba

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 07:05:47PM +0000, George Reid wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 Trikers3@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Dear sirs.
> >     I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I must do 
> > on several operating systems. 
> 
> I'm sorry if I've been smoking too much crack, but I understood the
> general idea of a presentation was to relay your findings on a matter
> you've done some research on. That doesn't include getting somebody else
> to write it for you.
> 
> Try reading the website - www.freebsd.org
> 
> G
Nice one George, that was just a WONDERFUL piece of BSD
advocacy..NOT.
Maybe research includes asking a news group.

Jeez..


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GKenneth Wayne Culver <culverk@wam.umd.edu> types:
> > well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V and the
> > closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.  Linux is based largely in
> > Posix.  You'll remember that BSD was originally developed using the
> > AT&T code and while it contains no AT&T code today, linux never did.
> You have it backwards. System V integrates things from 4.4BSD and from the
> other branch of UNIX (System IV?). 

Integration of BSD code was an ongoing thing for SysIII/V. Since Unix
was originally available in only in source form (because AT&T wasn't
allowed to enter the computer market), there's been a lot of
cross-fertilization all along. The first BSDism in the
PWB/RT/USG/CB/SysIII/SysV family in or prior to SysIII. SysIV never
saw the light of day outside Bell Labs, and had little influence on
anything other than than SysV, again due to legal oddities.

FWIW, the "other" branch is the Unix Time Sharing System, aka
"research" Unix, from which all things Unix derive. It's just Unix v1
through v8, at which point it becomes Plan 9 [from Bell Labs, not
Outer Space].

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Hello Bernie,

Monday, November 27, 2000, you wrote:

BD> I am contemplating buying a Kingston Turbochip 400 upgrade CPU (that is
BD> based on a K6-II 400 MHz. core), for a dual OS (Windows/FreeBSD) box
BD> that currently is running a K6 233 MHz. with an Abit PX5 motherboard
BD> (so that I don't have to reinstall Winblows, because of new motherboard
BD> hardware).

Sorry, not an answer to your question exactly, somewhat relevant info:

K6-3 333 is $29 at Fry's, if your mobo supports it. It's a
"non-official" one, AMD does not list it, but it's real AMD K6-III
chip with 3.5 multiplier on 95 MHZ bus. It does not sweat 100 Mhz at
all :) and is very stable at x4. I just moved my multi OS hard drive
from older 266 P-II on PD440FX - it was too expensive to expand old
EDO RAM. They have a bundle at Fry's: 100 bucks gets you Soyo mobo
SY-5EMA+V1.1 (still in production), the K6-3 333 and an ATX case with
250 W PSU, plus a heatsink with a fan. mobo has three RAM banks , each
accepts up to 256 MB sticks of SDRAM, high quality(?) 256 sticks are
154 locally and 128s are $64.   Mobo does three layered caching
automagically.

(high quality for me is when you can mix 128/100 and 256/133 sticks
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Hello all, 

I am extremely new to FreeBSD, in fact, have not even purchased it
yet.  Background is in Linux, and schooling at the Univ on HP-UX, I
feel just as comfortable with the console as with a GUI.  I have been
reading about FreeBSD and it has an outstanding reputation on many
levels.  My needs are small - workstation and house network, with
maybe a web server later on. I am currently running SuSE.

Questions, can I use many of my Linux based rpms in BSD?  I guess you
folks call them porting, or some such. Also, is there support for
WinTV (bttv) in the GUI. I just joined the group, and am unsure how to
run the Linux end of it, if need be.  I would sincerely appreciate the
basics, as to what can be ported over from Linux in terms of programs
(although I must say, that on many occasions, I have seen builds for
FreeBSD), and whether the newer GUIs are supported, etc.  Any help is
sincerely appreciated.  I guess, I am trying to get a handle on
FreeBSD, other than using it for an excellent web server, but rather
more in the scope of everyday business use with WordPerfect,
StarOffice, maybe MySQL, a mail and fax server, using a NIC card to
network to a couple other computers, NFS, etc. I don't know if you
have an something similar to SAMBA, or is it SAMBA?

		Thanks for your help. 

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biz@bacon.cs.uchicago.edu types:
> i have looked at the hardware compatibility list, but it is more
> modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know of an existing box, 
> NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just widely used in freebsd
> community).

Well, the Sony VAIO is reported to work really well, but that's a
lousy config for a server.

Which is the problem with most "off-the-shelf" boxes. To get a
reasonable server config off the shelf, you'll have to buy hardware
you don't need (internal modem, high-performance video card, etc.).

If you want a high performance box, your best best is to order a
system from someone on the list at <URL:
http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html >. Yeah, it may be
custom, but some of them have standard configuration you can buy.  If
you poke around, you might even find someone who'll preinstall all the
software you need for your list of services.  I ordered from ASA, and
have been very happy with the hardware, though I reinstalled the OS
the day I got it (because that happened to be the day that 3.0-RELEASE
was released).

For a low-end server, it doesn't really matter. All you need is a
builtin ethernet that's supported, or a PCI slot for an ethernet
card. Everything else you're going to use is so standard as to be
immaterial: one IDE HD, one ATAPI cdrom, keyboard, mouse, and a video
card that isn't going to leave console mode. The builtin modem won't
be usable, but probably isn't avoidable. Don't pay extra for a DVD
drive or CDRW or USB or FireWire or ...), though you'll probably have
to buy one or more of them.  For my last such box, I bought a Toshiba
BookPC, because I wanted something to cram on a bookshelf and forget
about. The TV-out to a TV-in card saves the space of a monitor, even.

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will that work with a remote printer also?

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mikko Tyolajarvi wrote:

> In local.freebsd-questions you write:
>=20
> >I managed to get my printer working (hp 5m network printer) under
> >xfree. Printing text from word perfect or star office isnt a problem but
> >when i try to print graphics i get a lpr error stating the file is too
> >big.
>=20
>=20
> >I tried searching on how to increase the printer buffer but cant find an=
y
> >documentation on it. My question is: How do i increase the printer buffe=
r
> >size so i can print graphics from xfree.
>=20
> Change the "mx" capability for the printer.  Setting it to zero
> disables the check, and you are limited by diskspace on /var (or
> wherever the spool directory for the printer is configured to be).
> See printcap(5) for more info.
>=20
> Edit the printcap entry (we're talking /etc/printcap here) to include
> "mx#0", for example:
>=20
> lp|local line printer:\
>        :mx#0:\
>        :sh:\
>        :lp=3D/dev/lpt0:sd=3D/var/spool/output/lpd:lf=3D/var/log/lpd-errs:
>=20
> If you don't have enough space on /var, you can change the spool
> directory (the "sd" capability) to some partition with more
> space (or cheat and use a symlink).
>=20
>        $.02,
>        /Mikko
> --=20
>  Mikko Ty=F6l=E4j=E4rvi_______________________________________mikko@rsase=
curity.com
>  RSA Security
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Jeff T <jefft0086@yahoo.com> types:
> Hi.  I recently downloaded FreeBSD 4.2-install and I
> installed it.  I managed to get it online, but have
> been having a great deal of difficulty with the
> X-Server.  I have a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP.  I noticed that
> the latest Voodoo card that the X-Server supported was
> the Voodoo 3.  I can run the X-Server, but it is
> extremely pixilated and at 800x600 resolution only. 
> How can I fix this.  (I am using Window Maker)

I suspect that the version of XFree86 installed with FreeBSD doesn't
support the Voodoo 3. As root, *not* running inside of X, do the
following:

# cd /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4
# make
# rm -rf /usr/X11R6
# make install
# xf86config		# or use xf86cfg instead.

And don't do the rm if the first make fails.

This will update your XFree86 to a newer version. Note that you have
to do this interactively, as it warns you about the security problems
with this version of XFree86, and you have to acknowledge that.

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look, Ma one of the biggest Wintel names sez this:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
           The Linux before Linux

Here, then, was a full featured, cost-free implementation of Unix,
available in 1988. In some senses, BSD was the Linux _before Linux.
If it hadn't been for a bit of bad luck for BSD, then this might be a
book about BSD, and you'd never have heard about Linux.

Come to think of it, if there had been a reliable, inexpensive, 32-bit
version of Unix without any fear of lawsuits in 1988, you might have
never even heard of _NT. But that didn't happen.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ISBN: 0-7821-2730-4. Check this guy out, you won't believe your own
eyes, he, probably switched to tea :)

That Mr M&M himself, and he is definitely not a *nix advocacy
group subscriber.

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Can anyone confirm if the driver supplied by Equinox
SST MultiPort Serial Device for

BSD/OS will work on FreeBSD?

                                                                                
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Well, I was hoping someone who had more experience with ssh would get
to this one, but it hasn't happened. Take the following with more salt
than usual.

tayers@bridge.com types:
> The first time I ran 'ssh B' on host A I got the following:
>   The authenticity of host 'B' can't be established.
>   RSA key fingerprint is xx:xx:xx:....
>   Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
>   Warning: Permanently added 'B' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
>   Enter passphrase for RSA key 'tayers@A.foo.net': 

This is normal the first time you connect to a host. SSH keeps an
IP/host key mapping around. The first time you connect, it doesn't
have that, and wants you to know that it's trusting the remote host to
be who it claims to be.

> Then I disconnect from B and connect again: 'ssh B'. It works without
> the "authenticity" warning, but it prompts for the passphrase
> again. Blech. ;-p Is there a way to set this up so I don't have to
> type the passphrase in all the time? Having to type the passphrase
> makes doing 'ssh B <command>' from a script kind of troublesome.

I haven't fooled with passphrases. You may need to set things up
without one. However, according to the ssh-keygen man page, you need
to copy the .ssh/identity.pub key into .ssh/authorized_keys on the
remote machine. I'd try that first.

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> So... can someone tell me how to get the two to co-exist?  And is it going
> to even be possible to do it this way or am I going to need to put win2k
> first, then freebsd?  Also, once I do this, win2k will think it's on
> "C:" won't it?  What all will that mess up since it now thinks it's on
> "D:"?

I have Win2K on the first partition of Drive 0 and FreeBSD on Drive 1, and they
both work fine. Somewhere (I believe in the archives) there is a discussion of how
to create a file on the C: drive that boot.ini can find to boot FreeBSD when they
are on the same drive.

You may not be able to get around the C: D: problem without dumping the 8GB Win2K
installation and re-installing it on the first partition.  (I don't believe Win2K
really cares where the rest of its files are, as long as it can find its boot.ini
file, which it invariably expects to find on C: as the first partition -- not sure
whether ntldr, ntoskernl or the others even have to be on C: -- the boot.ini file
simply has to have an accurate ARC path to the other files.)

OTOH can you re-size the 8GB partition and leave yourself enough room for FreeBSD
on a new (third) partition?  Wouldn't that obviate the C: D: problem?

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have no trouble running Vodoo 3/3000 PCI on 4.2;
did not do anything during install, just picked Generic Vodoo
during graph installation.

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Please keep things on -questions on -questions. This means others can
see the answers, and possibly provide them if I can't.

Matthew Peacock <Mattp@innerrange.com.au> types:
> Thanks very much for your help. You mentioned that the StarOffice port was a
> bit flaky. All I really need is a basic word processor that lets me do some
> simple formatting for documents (eg - different size/type fonts,
> bold/italic/underlined, tables, bullet points)
> I need a spread sheet that's reasonably easy to learn and has a reasonable
> set of functions (a bit more than SUM, AVERAGE - possibly with text
> functions and binary and hex functions). I don't mind what I use as long as
> I get the basic functionality. If you know of any other Word Processors and
> Spread Sheet programms in theports collection that you think are good,
> please let me know.

Well, for word processors, read <URL:
http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/reviews/FreeBSD-WP.html >.

For spreadsheets, I can't really help much. I've looked at a few, but
it's not something I need very often.  However, you might note that
what's flaky about the StarOffice port is *installation*, not running
it, though I haven't exercised it thoroughly. If you're willing to
spend some $'s and want to support FreeBSD, Applixware Office from the
FreeBSD Mall runs native.

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Gerald Pottler <geraldp@tangent.co.za> types:
> Among other things at Tangent Systems we distribute CDs containing the
> written images of publicly available ISO images. We generally print a label
> with our contact details, our company logo and a product description & logo
> on it. We are currently extending our range to include the FreeBSD 4.2 ISO
> image. We would like to know if you have any images that we could use on our
> CD labels and if so, how we would go about getting permission to use these
> logos.

The image you want to use is the BSD Beastie. The copyright for that
is held by Kirk McKusick. You can look at some of the images, and find
the copyright notice, at <URL:
http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/index.html >

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using bellsouth.net as an isp gave me the same problems. make a cron
that pings 3 outside ip's and if all 3 are down, then run dhclient. i
ran this on an hourly basis.
-Otter

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Hi everyone,


A weeks ago I installed the newest release (4.1 I think) and have had
some wierd happenings since. I have a box with 2 nics. One for
internal traffic and one for the external. The external nic is
connected to a cable modem which has a dynamically assigned IP
(nothing special, dhclient seems to work fine), and the internal is a
static (192.168.100.XXX). I have the setup working, but it seems that
every so often I have to "reset" the external nic by either A. running
dhclient on the device again (ed0) or B. doing an ifconfig ed0
IP_ADDR. either one gets be up and running for an unknown amount of
time. sometimes it will be 5 seconds, sometimes days. This is becoming
very frustrating. I have tried natd with the -dynamic flag, and I did
upgrade to the latest stable and the problem still persists. Any help
on this is appreciated. Thanks in advance.



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On Monday, 27 November 2000 at 19:45:40 +0100, Eric Jacoboni wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Canon S10 Digital Camera. This model uses CompactFlash I
> and II cards to store pictures (as jpeg or tiff files). Canon sells a
> Pcmcia adapter to put a CF card. As far i've understood, the card is
> viewed as a simple ram card : it's a great thing as there is no need
> for further software.

Correct.

> I wonder if such an adapter would be supported by FBSD :

Yes.

> if so, what would be the correct entry in pccard.conf ?

That's the problem.  There may already be one in there, in which case
you may need to do nothing.  I can't see anything in there with the
name Canon, but the card doesn't have to have the Canon name.  A
typical entry might be like this:

# Non-brand Compact Flash Card(32MB)
card "       " "KCF 32M"
	config	0x1 "ata" ?

If your card isn't recognized, you'll get messages like this in the
/var/log/messages:

Nov 28 12:25:45 sydney /kernel: pccard: card inserted, slot 1
Nov 28 12:25:51 sydney pccardd[3279]: Card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  "("TIDALWV") [V1.01] [(null)] has function ID 4 
Nov 28 12:25:56 sydney pccardd[3279]: driver allocation failed for (null)((null)): Device not configured

In a case like this, you might create a new entry:

card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  " "TIDALWV" 
	config	0x1 "ata" ? 

This might still fail because of irq conflicts.  You can specify a
particular irq in place of the ?, for example 9 in this case:

card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  " "TIDALWV" 
	config	0x1 "ata" 9

Now you should get:

Nov 28 12:29:50 sydney pccardd[3286]: Card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  "("TIDALWV") [V1.01] [(null)] matched "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR " ("TIDALWV") [(null)] [(null)] 
Nov 28 12:29:55 sydney /kernel: ata4 at port 0x260-0x26f irq 9 slot 1 on pccard1
Nov 28 12:30:05 sydney /kernel: ata4-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
Nov 28 12:30:05 sydney /kernel: ata4-slave: identify failed
Nov 28 12:30:05 sydney /kernel: ad8: 7MB <LEXAR ATA FLASH> [251/2/32] at ata4-master using BIOSPIO
Nov 28 12:30:05 sydney pccardd[3286]: ata4: CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  (TIDALWV) inserted.

The device you get depends on what you have configured in the system,
but will typically be at least device 4.  In this case it's /dev/ad8.
Create device nodes:

  # cd /dev
  # ./MAKEDEV ad8s1

All compact flash cards I've seen have used slice 1, but you can use
fdisk to be sure.  To mount the card, 

  # mkdir /camera
  # mount -t msdos /dev/ad8s1 /camera

You can then use normal UNIX commands to manipulate the photos.  Don't
forget to umount before removing the card.

> Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1278711354 secondes.

You're getting younger all the time.  Well, no older...

Greg
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Whats the url to the mall?

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> Please keep things on -questions on -questions. This means others can
> see the answers, and possibly provide them if I can't.
> 
> Matthew Peacock <Mattp@innerrange.com.au> types:
> > Thanks very much for your help. You mentioned that the StarOffice port was a
> > bit flaky. All I really need is a basic word processor that lets me do some
> > simple formatting for documents (eg - different size/type fonts,
> > bold/italic/underlined, tables, bullet points)
> > I need a spread sheet that's reasonably easy to learn and has a reasonable
> > set of functions (a bit more than SUM, AVERAGE - possibly with text
> > functions and binary and hex functions). I don't mind what I use as long as
> > I get the basic functionality. If you know of any other Word Processors and
> > Spread Sheet programms in theports collection that you think are good,
> > please let me know.
> 
> Well, for word processors, read <URL:
> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/reviews/FreeBSD-WP.html >.
> 
> For spreadsheets, I can't really help much. I've looked at a few, but
> it's not something I need very often.  However, you might note that
> what's flaky about the StarOffice port is *installation*, not running
> it, though I haven't exercised it thoroughly. If you're willing to
> spend some $'s and want to support FreeBSD, Applixware Office from the
> FreeBSD Mall runs native.
> 
> 	<mike
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Hello, everyone,

I have installed FreeBSD installed now on several machines but today I got the following error I 
could not fix despite several hours of trail and error. 

I booted from the floppies, installed everything from a CDROM but when I reboot I get the following 
error:

No /boot/loader

>>FreeBsd/i386 Boot
Default: 0:da(0,a)/kernel
boot:
No /kernel

>>FreeBsd/i386 Boot
Default: 0:da(0,a)/kernel
boot:

Could anyone give me a hand with this? Is this a configuration problem or an incompatible harddisk 
(10 Gigas) or something else?

Many thanks in advance for your help!

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Mike Meyer wrote:
> tayers@bridge.com types:
> > Then I disconnect from B and connect again: 'ssh B'. It works without
> > the "authenticity" warning, but it prompts for the passphrase
> > again. Blech. ;-p Is there a way to set this up so I don't have to
> > type the passphrase in all the time? Having to type the passphrase
> > makes doing 'ssh B <command>' from a script kind of troublesome.
> 
> I haven't fooled with passphrases. You may need to set things up
> without one. However, according to the ssh-keygen man page, you need
> to copy the .ssh/identity.pub key into .ssh/authorized_keys on the
> remote machine. I'd try that first.

This is to get the RSA key working in the first place (identity.pub ->
authorized_keys is telling the server that they key can be used to
connect to that user's account).  What you're looking for is
ssh-agent(1) and ssh-add(1).

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Does FreeBSD, Inc. have some special deal set up with VMWare? AFAIK
VMWare has always been commercial (pay) software, yet it's in the ports
collection. I'm not complaining, but what's up with that? 

Also, there is a note on VMWare's web site stating "On Dec. 4 our
company will discontinue the current hobbyist pricing and begin charging
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effect on VMWare's existence as a port?

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> BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
> Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
> the most awful Unix system ever let loose).

Well, not exactly with sunos... sunos before like 4.x or something of that
nature was BSD based... their current implementation is SysV-ish with some
of the BSD left in.
 
> Most others got based loosely or otherwise on licensed code
> from AT&T, and there was always obeissance to the Regents of
> the University of California" in the copyright notices.
> This is the basis for HP-UX, Dynix/PTX, SCO etc etc...
> 
> So ... without the BSD kernel stuff and other things UNIX would 
> not be the system it is today.  
> 
> As to which one to learn. Well you are going to have to pay for
> HP-UX as well as something to run on it on, so I would discount
> that. Besides which RISC chips are on their downward spiral back
> to the niche they were created for orginally (high-end grpahics)
> and will continue to be used by Silicon Graphics I suppose for
> making block busting movies.
> 
> Since RISC has been imho the biggest single barrier to the
> development of a common operating platform, this may not
> be a loss. I suspect proprietary version of UNIX as such will
> eventually die out. Possibly not Solaris for a long while, but
> Sun have always been en enfant terrible, refusing to accept standards
> except their own for example.
> 
> BSD I gather contains no code from the orginal BSD Unix, but
> my recent limited exposure to it has definitely given me the (old)
> BSD impressions. I have no exposure to the other systems with
> BSD in their name, so I will not comment.
> 
> Linux contains no UNIX code, but if it looks like anything it
> looks like System V. It is also, in my view, easier to learn
> for a beginner (no flames please). It comes in a Heinz like variety
> of distributions which differ in system setup and system management,
> often quite dramatically. 
> 
> If you are looking for this as a possible career enhancing
> factor, again choose Linux. 
> 
> On the other hand if you are simply keen to get exposure to systems
> predicated on things other than Microsoft's .. well it does not
> matter so much. See whether the posts on the various newsgroups 
> lean you one way or another...
> 
> Good Luck
> 
> Oh I forgot to mention AIX, IBM's Unix. There I've mentioned it.
> 
> 



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Also, I tend to disagree about the career enhancer being linux. I got my
current job BECAUSE I know FreeBSD...


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At 2:02 PM -0500 11/27/00, Gene Rovang wrote:
>Do you support Macintosh System 7.5.5, 7.6, amd MacOS 8.x, 9.x and X??
>Also do you support Novell IntraNetware Clients for Windows?

You probably have to ask the person who maintains the
netatalk port.

My guess is that it can reliably export files to any MacOS except
maybe MacOS 10, and even the MacOS 10 problems are more likely to
be due to MacOS 10 and not due to netatalk.

I do not know if netatalk supports AppleshareIP protocols, which
may be important to you.  If you connect to servers by seeing them
in zones in the chooser, then you probably do not care.  If you
connect to appleshare servers by typing in a "server address" in
the Chooser, then you do care, and I do not know if netatalk
supports that.

I haven't the slightest idea if netatalk supports Novell
IntraNetware clients.
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Subject: RE: Please help with linux compatibility
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http://www.freebsdmall.com of course!
-Otter


}-----Original Message-----
}From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of User JOE
}Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:17 PM
}To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}Subject: RE: Please help with linux compatibility
}
}
}Whats the url to the mall?
}
}On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:
}
}> Please keep things on -questions on -questions. This means
}others can
}> see the answers, and possibly provide them if I can't.
}>
}> Matthew Peacock <Mattp@innerrange.com.au> types:
}> > Thanks very much for your help. You mentioned that the
}StarOffice port was a
}> > bit flaky. All I really need is a basic word processor
}that lets me do some
}> > simple formatting for documents (eg - different size/type fonts,
}> > bold/italic/underlined, tables, bullet points)
}> > I need a spread sheet that's reasonably easy to learn
}and has a reasonable
}> > set of functions (a bit more than SUM, AVERAGE -
}possibly with text
}> > functions and binary and hex functions). I don't mind
}what I use as long as
}> > I get the basic functionality. If you know of any other
}Word Processors and
}> > Spread Sheet programms in theports collection that you
}think are good,
}> > please let me know.
}>
}> Well, for word processors, read <URL:
}> http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/reviews/FreeBSD-WP.html >.
}>
}> For spreadsheets, I can't really help much. I've looked at
}a few, but
}> it's not something I need very often.  However, you might note that
}> what's flaky about the StarOffice port is *installation*,
}not running
}> it, though I haven't exercised it thoroughly. If you're willing to
}> spend some $'s and want to support FreeBSD, Applixware
}Office from the
}> FreeBSD Mall runs native.
}>
}> 	<mike
}> --
}> Mike Meyer
http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
> Independent WWW/Unix/FreeBSD consultant,	email for rates.
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  Ok I have a linux box that I have set up as a NFS server. I want to be
able to boot a non-linux non-dos box, with unix, and install unix over the
NFS.

Do you have any HOWTOs on this, or any ideas on how to set the boot/root
floppies to be the NFS client to this linux running NFS server?

I want to show the differents in the BOXes, WinNET to LinxNET to UnixNET,
etc.


Thanks

Sr. Assit. Network Admin.
Advanced Career Training
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>>>>> "D" == Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> writes:
D> Mike Meyer wrote:
>> tayers@bridge.com types:
>> > Then I disconnect from B and connect again: 'ssh B'. It works without
>> > the "authenticity" warning, but it prompts for the passphrase
>> > again. Blech. ;-p Is there a way to set this up so I don't have to
>> > type the passphrase in all the time? Having to type the passphrase
>> > makes doing 'ssh B <command>' from a script kind of troublesome.
>> 
>> I haven't fooled with passphrases. You may need to set things up
>> without one. However, according to the ssh-keygen man page, you need
>> to copy the .ssh/identity.pub key into .ssh/authorized_keys on the
>> remote machine. I'd try that first.

D> This is to get the RSA key working in the first place (identity.pub ->
D> authorized_keys is telling the server that they key can be used to
D> connect to that user's account).  What you're looking for is
D> ssh-agent(1) and ssh-add(1).

Thanks for the answers. stock@fishcracker.com and Dima suggested using
ssh-agent, but I don't think that is useful in my case. I have UNIX
servers that need to communicate with other servers. So I want server
A to be able to run a command on server B. I did not make this clear
in my original message.

Mike's implication is what allows this to work without a prompt. If
you create an SSH key without a passphrase it works like I want:
without prompting for a passphrase.

I'm still looking for the what/why of the passphrase. I assume it is
additional security, but haven't seen that printed anywhere.

Thanks and
Hope you have a very nice day, :-)
Tim Ayers (tayers@bridge.com)





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Hello,

I am not on the list so please CC any response.

I just did a clean install of 4.2, choosing the "Extreme" setting
for security, running PPP to my ISP, just as I was on my 4.0 system.

I was using postfix before, but I found sendmail installed and
decided to give it a shot.

After being unable to send email to anyone @yahoo.com, I decided to 
run a tcpdump trace.  

I found the problem:  sendmail was repeatedly sending tcp segments
with the TTL set to 0.  What would make it do this?  It works fine
for other email addresses, but not for some.  Any ideas?

I manually tried to get the MX records, telnet and send an email
the Telnet Way (R), it worked fine.

Thanks.

P.S.  I have attached a trace file (trace.1), with xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 
      being my computer, yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy being my domain server.

      And another trace file (trace.2), for another host where
      sendmail seems to work (someone @hotmail.com)

--gKMricLos+KVdGMg
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16:06:34.906810 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1263 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  40255+ ANY? yahoo.com. (27) (ttl 64, id 1488)

16:06:35.390863 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1263:  40255 q: yahoo.com. 5/3/3 yahoo.com. NS NS3.EUROPE.yahoo.com., yahoo.com. NS  (214) (ttl 44, id 61428)

16:06:35.450932 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1264 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  40256+ MX? yahoo.com. (27) (ttl 64, id 1489)

16:06:40.455423 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1265 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  40256+ MX? yahoo.com. (27) (ttl 64, id 1490)

16:06:40.780839 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1264:  40256 q: yahoo.com. 6/3/16 yahoo.com. MX mx6.mail.yahoo.com. 6, yahoo.com. MX  57548 (473) (ttl 44, id 62459)

16:06:40.780871 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy: icmp: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx udp port 1264 unreachable for yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1264:  1401 updateM+ [b2&3=0x6168] [867a] [28527q] [28525n] (473) (ttl 44, id 62459) (ttl 255, id 1491)

16:06:42.860490 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1265:  40256 q: yahoo.com. 6/3/16 yahoo.com. MX mx3.mail.yahoo.com. 3, yahoo.com. MX  58060 (473) (ttl 44, id 7197)

16:06:42.861464 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1266 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  40257+ AAAA? mx1.mail.yahoo.com. (36) (ttl 64, id 1492)

16:06:43.127923 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1266:  40257* q: mx1.mail.yahoo.com. 0/1/0 (111) (ttl 44, id 13411)

16:06:43.128246 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1267 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  40258+ A? mx1.mail.yahoo.com. (36) (ttl 64, id 1493)

16:06:43.502201 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1267:  40258 q: mx1.mail.yahoo.com. 13/3/3 mx1.mail.yahoo.com. A 128.11.22.91, mx1.mail.yahoo.com. A 227.204.34.58 (366) (ttl 44, id 13968)

16:06:43.502911 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: S 2522960054:2522960054(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1494)

16:06:43.664986 207.44.35.7 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp: time exceeded in-transit for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: [|tcp] (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1494, bad cksum 0!) (ttl 255, id 13690)

16:06:46.495428 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: S 2522960054:2522960054(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1495)

16:06:46.655448 207.44.35.7 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp: time exceeded in-transit for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: [|tcp] (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1495, bad cksum 0!) (ttl 255, id 13691)

16:06:52.495501 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: S 2522960054:2522960054(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1496)

16:06:52.651191 207.44.35.7 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp: time exceeded in-transit for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: [|tcp] (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1496, bad cksum 0!) (ttl 255, id 13692)

16:07:04.495627 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: S 2522960054:2522960054(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1497)

16:07:04.652191 207.44.35.7 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp: time exceeded in-transit for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1068 > 128.11.22.91.25: [|tcp] (DF) [ttl 0] (id 1497, bad cksum 0!) (ttl 255, id 13696)

--gKMricLos+KVdGMg
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16:36:48.614019 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1355 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  21995+ ANY? hotmail.com. (29) (ttl 99, id 2005)

16:36:48.960675 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1355:  21995 q: hotmail.com. 8/3/3 hotmail.com. NS ns3.hotmail.com., hotmail.com. NS ns1. (262) (ttl 44, id 16554)

16:36:49.035691 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1356 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  21996+ MX? hotmail.com. (29) (ttl 99, id 2006)

16:36:49.481874 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1356:  21996 q: hotmail.com. 10/3/12 hotmail.com. MX mc5.law5.hotmail.com. 10, hotmail.com. (496) (ttl 44, id 17536)

16:36:49.482893 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1357 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  21997+ AAAA? mc4.law5.hotmail.com. (38) (ttl 99, id 2007)

16:36:49.812122 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1357:  21997* q: mc4.law5.hotmail.com. 0/1/0 (107) (ttl 44, id 18901)

16:36:49.812473 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1358 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  21998+ A? mc4.law5.hotmail.com. (38) (ttl 99, id 2008)

16:36:50.125647 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1358:  21998 q: mc4.law5.hotmail.com. 1/4/4 mc4.law5.hotmail.com. A 216.33.151.136 (212) (ttl 44, id 19357)

16:36:50.126279 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1097 > 216.33.151.136.25: S 2988481275:2988481275(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) [ttl 0] (id 2009)

16:36:50.289063 207.44.35.7 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp: time exceeded in-transit for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1097 > 216.33.151.136.25: [|tcp] (DF) [ttl 0] (id 2009, bad cksum 0!) (ttl 255, id 13883)

16:36:53.125407 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1097 > 216.33.151.136.25: S 2988481275:2988481275(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) [ttl 0] (id 2010)

16:36:53.286960 207.44.35.7 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: icmp: time exceeded in-transit for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1097 > 216.33.151.136.25: [|tcp] (DF) [ttl 0] (id 2010, bad cksum 0!) (ttl 255, id 13884)

 < snip >
  A lot more of these unreachs... then.. magically...
 < snip >

16:38:05.126543 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1359 > yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53:  21999+ A? mc4.law5.hotmail.com. (38) (ttl 99, id 2014)

16:38:05.430958 yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy.53 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1359:  21999 q: mc4.law5.hotmail.com. 1/4/4 mc4.law5.hotmail.com. A 216.33.151.136 (212) (ttl 44, id 35498)

16:38:05.431181 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1098 > 216.33.151.136.25: S 3008235851:3008235851(0) win 16384 <mss 1460> (DF) (ttl 99, id 2015)

16:38:07.312190 216.33.151.136.25 > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1098: S 1252259530:1252259530(0) ack 3008235852 win 64240 <mss 1460> (DF) (ttl 239, id 43691)

16:38:07.312249 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx.1098 > 216.33.151.136.25: . 1:1(0) ack 1 win 17520 (DF) (ttl 99, id 2016)

  < snip >
  And it works ...
  < /snip >

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From owner-freebsd-questions  Mon Nov 27 19:23:23 2000
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I have Win2K and FreeBSD 4.1R coexisting, but not on the same drive. I had
two 2Gb drives, so I put Win2k on the master drive, and FreeBSD on the slave
drive. I use the boot manager from FreeBSD to control which disk boots. It
works pretty well.

BTW - I did the Win2k install first, and the FreeBSD install afterwards,
placing the boot manager on ad0 (the first disk). It went without a hitch.

Seth Henry
jshenry@net-noise.com

Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 14:38:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: Rick Hamell <hamellr@heorot.1nova.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 co-existing with FreeBSD?

> So... can someone tell me how to get the two to co-exist?  And is it going
> to even be possible to do it this way or am I going to need to put win2k
> first, then freebsd?  Also, once I do this, win2k will think it's on
> "C:" won't it?  What all will that mess up since it now thinks it's on
> "D:"?

I got around this this weekend by leaving the first partition
unassigned (according to FDISK,) and unformated. It actually took the 2nd
partition, assigned it c:\ and went from there... But I had to format it
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On Tuesday 28 November 2000 03:44, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> > BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
> > Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
> > the most awful Unix system ever let loose).
>
> Well, not exactly with sunos... sunos before like 4.x or something of that
> nature was BSD based... their current implementation is SysV-ish with some
> of the BSD left in.

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On Tuesday 28 November 2000 03:45, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
> Also, I tend to disagree about the career enhancer being linux. I got my
> current job BECAUSE I know FreeBSD...
>
Well, of course. I didn't mean to imply it was not valuable in
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Hi,

for an experiment, I'm writing a little tool that blasts large (9K) UDP
packets at another host. I'm using connected sockets and send(2). Very
quickly, send(2) returns  indicating that the socket send buffer is full.
So far, so good.

My question is: How do I detect that the socket buffer has sufficiently
emptied to resume sending? I tried setting the SO_SNDLOWAT to my message
size and checking with select(2) if the socket is writable. However,
select(2) always returns telling me it is, even though a following send(2)
results in ENOBUFS. This may in fact be a bug in FreeBSD, since the
setsockopt(2) man page seems to indicate that this should work:

  SO_SNDLOWAT is an option to set the minimum count for output operations.
  Most output operations process all of the data supplied by the call, de-
  livering data to the protocol for transmission and blocking as necessary
  for flow control.  Nonblocking output operations will process as much da-
  ta as permitted subject to flow control without blocking, but will pro-
  cess no data if flow control does not allow the smaller of the low water
  mark value or the entire request to be processed.  A select(2) operation
  testing the ability to write to a socket will return true only if the low
  water mark amount could be processed.  The default value for SO_SNDLOWAT
  is set to a convenient size for network efficiency, often 1024.


Any ideas? Spinning is not really an option...
 
Thanks,
Lars
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Mon Nov 27 19:30:57 2000
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     I have read the docs in the handbook and it does
not seem to explain how to upgrade your port make
macros after downloading the upgrade kit.
I have used tar xvzf 32upgrade.tgz from the root
directory.  It gives me to executable files that I
cannot seem to run.  Both begin with plus signs:
+INSTALL, and +REQUIRE.

1.) Is the root directory the correct place to extract
and gunzip this archive.  If not, what is.
2.) How do you run the install executables, if
+INSTALL and +REQUIRED are the executables.

Some extra info that may be useful...
I have not downloaded any ports thus far and have only
two packages on the system, lynx and less.  I
installed X 4.1 using tar files.
I do not have a /usr/ports directory as of right now.

If any more info is needed, or if I missed some docs
on how to do this let me know.

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I'm a newbie (I've been working at FreeBSD, my 1st Unix, for about 2 months 
now), so please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.  I originally 
started a plain "make install" for qt 2.2.1_1, realized I wanted the GIF 
option, and just exited the xterm where the compile was running.  Now when I 
try to build qt-2.2.1_1 (using make -DQT_GIF_AVAILABLE install), I immediately 
get an error code 1 due to a checksum mismatch.  I've deleted the files under 
the qt22 directory in /usr/ports and replaced them with files I just 
downloaded from www.freebsd.org, but still get the identical error.

Should I go ahead and build ignoring the checksum error, or is there a fix?  
(Directions to resources where I can learn fix for myself gratefully 
accepted.)

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> hi.  i've searched the handbook, tutorial, FAQ, and parts of the
> mailing list archives but haven't found direct answers to the
> following questions.  i hope you don't mind answering them for me; it
> will save me a lot of time looking through the code, and / or writing
> test cases:

john milford pointed me to the following web page that answers most of
my previous questions concerning the freebsd threading model and gives
a whole lot of other useful information on the topic.  i thought
there might be some others that don't know of it, so here it is:

http://people.freebsd.org/~jasone/refs/freebsd_kse/freebsd_kse.html

david


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You can DL VMWare freely.  But here is the catch.  You must
pay to get the KEY to use it.  That is the gotcha.

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:

> Does FreeBSD, Inc. have some special deal set up with VMWare? AFAIK
> VMWare has always been commercial (pay) software, yet it's in the ports
> collection. I'm not complaining, but what's up with that? 
> 
> Also, there is a note on VMWare's web site stating "On Dec. 4 our
> company will discontinue the current hobbyist pricing and begin charging
> a standard $299 fee..." Will this policy change on their part have any
> effect on VMWare's existence as a port?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Jud wrote:
> 
> I'm a newbie (I've been working at FreeBSD, my 1st Unix, for about 2 months
> now), so please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.  I originally
> started a plain "make install" for qt 2.2.1_1, realized I wanted the GIF
> option, and just exited the xterm where the compile was running.  Now when I
> try to build qt-2.2.1_1 (using make -DQT_GIF_AVAILABLE install), I immediately
> get an error code 1 due to a checksum mismatch.  I've deleted the files under
> the qt22 directory in /usr/ports and replaced them with files I just
> downloaded from www.freebsd.org, but still get the identical error.

You need to cvsup update your ports. Then, you will have the currend
MD5.

Kent

> 
> Should I go ahead and build ignoring the checksum error, or is there a fix?
> (Directions to resources where I can learn fix for myself gratefully
> accepted.)
> 
> Jud
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I am trying to install VMware on FreeBSD 4.2.  I have
compiled the bridge into the kernel and installed vmware.  However, when I
run vmware I am keep getting "Could not find device /dev/vmnet0"

HELP!!




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> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 00:43:11 -0500
> From: Alexander Batzios <alex_b@MailAndNews.com>
> Subject: JBuilder, Linux Compatibility
> 
> Hi all. I've just had to go to Linsux, uhm, Linux due to some compatibility 
> issues. I've tried mandrake and redhat but it seems they are too unstable to 
> use.
> 
> I'm thinking of going back to freebsd but there are certain issues that 
> concern me. 
> 1) I need to do some serious software development with JBuilder. I've only 
> seen JBuilder and Java for Linux. Is there a chance they'll run on FreeBSD? Do 
> I have to use some sort of linux emulation? If yes, how fast and reliable is 
> it?

FreeBSD has a Linux compatibility mode in which Linux libraries 
are installed and used by FreeBSD.  It probably isn't correct to 
call it "emulation".  Linux programs run at full speed because 
everything runs as normal compiled Linux code: there is no 
"emulation" layer to slow things down.  I don't know about 
JBuilder specifically, but most Linux code will run under 
FreeBSD.

> 
> 2) How good is KDE 2 support in FreeBSD 2?

I've never used it, but it is available and I've heard that 
it works.  I'm sure someone else can provide more detail.

> 
> 3) I am using a Dell Inspiron 7500 laptop. Is FreeBSD compatible with that?

I use FreeBSD on an Inspiron 7500 as my primary system.  It works 
quite well (suspend-to-disk for example is more reliable than 
under Windows 98).  You may want to take a look at my hints for 
FreeBSD on the 7500 at http://www.afn.org/~afn01750/inspiron.html.
In particular, the XF86Config file may help get you started, 
although I'm sure it isn't optimum.

> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.

I hope that helps.  Good luck.

> 
> Thanks in advance,
> alex

- Bob

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At 9:38 PM -0500 11/27/00, Chris Hill wrote:
>Does FreeBSD, Inc. have some special deal set up with VMWare?
>AFAIK VMWare has always been commercial (pay) software, yet
>it's in the ports collection. I'm not complaining, but what's
>up with that?
>
>Also, there is a note on VMWare's web site stating "On Dec. 4
>our company will discontinue the current hobbyist pricing and
>begin charging a standard $299 fee..." Will this policy change
>on their part have any effect on VMWare's existence as a port?

The port just gets the file from vmware's site.  If you go to
vmware's site, you can download a demo-version of vmware which
works for some period of time (30 days?).  If you buy a license
from them, all you get is something which prevents the "demo"
version from expiring.

freebsd's port is not doing anything to get around any of
vmware's licensing.

Similarly with the new policy.  As long as we can download
the "demo" version for free, the port does not have to change.
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Carles =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?G=3DF3mez?=3D Montenegro writes:
> =

> Hello,
> =

>         I am a telecommunication engineering student from UPC
> (Polytechnic University ofCatalonia). I am writing this mail to you
> because I would like to get the FreeBSD 3.0 version. I have been
> searching for it unsuccessfully through the
> ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha
> directory, and also through the
> ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386 directory.
> 	It seems like the earlier Free BSD version I can get from those
> directories is FreeBSD 3.4, so I would be very pleased if you could tel=
l
> me how can I get the 3.0 version.

In all honesty, unless you need 3.0 for historical research you don't =

want 3.0. The official advice of the time was that 3.0 was -CURRENT and =

would always be -CURRENT, and that the -STABLE branch of FreeBSD stayed =

with 2.2.8 until 3.1 came out. Remember, 3.0 was the first ELF FreeBSD. =

And FreeBSD 2.2.8 came out *after* 3.0.

>         I would also like to ask two more questions:
> =

>         1) If some software runs correctly on FreeBSD 3.0, can I instal=
l
> it on an upgraded FreeBSD version without any problems? =


Its everyone's intent that old software continue to run. Netscape
Communicator for FreeBSD is still in a.out format for FreeBSD 2.2.

>         2) Which is the difference between the following:
> =

>                         "3.4.-Release"
>                         "3.4.-Stable"

The -RELEASE is a snapshot of the instant the revision bumped to 3.4.
The -STABLE designator is everything between -RELEASEs. The development
of FreeBSD procedes on two tracks, -STABLE and -CURRENT. Everything is
supposed to be done first in -CURRENT and when it proves itself is moved
into -STABLE. Security fixes are generally applied to both at about the
same time.

I don't know what you are trying to do, but I'd try it with FreeBSD =

4.2-RELEASE or 4.2-STABLE before sweating too hard looking for 3.0. If =

you really really have to have a 3.0 then once you have 4.2 running you =

can use cvs to checkout a copy of the 3.0 source and have a go at =

building a release.

Believe on my archive shelf at work I have 2.2.8-R and 3.1.0-R as I =

opted to stay with 2.2.8 rather than be on the bleeding edge with 3.0.

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote:

> Jud wrote:
> > 
> > I'm a newbie (I've been working at FreeBSD, my 1st Unix, for about 2 months
> > now), so please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.  I originally
> > started a plain "make install" for qt 2.2.1_1, realized I wanted the GIF
> > option, and just exited the xterm where the compile was running.  Now when I
> > try to build qt-2.2.1_1 (using make -DQT_GIF_AVAILABLE install), I immediately
> > get an error code 1 due to a checksum mismatch.  I've deleted the files under
> > the qt22 directory in /usr/ports and replaced them with files I just
> > downloaded from www.freebsd.org, but still get the identical error.
> 
> You need to cvsup update your ports. Then, you will have the currend
> MD5.

It sounds like the download of the tarball was interrupted so you'll need
to clean out the distfiles directory:

 rm /usr/ports/distfiles/qt*

If that doesn't work, try:

 cd /usr/ports/distfiles
 rm bzip* gettext* gmake* libtool* Mesa* jpeg* png*

> 
> Kent
> 
> > 
> > Should I go ahead and build ignoring the checksum error, or is there a fix?
> > (Directions to resources where I can learn fix for myself gratefully
> > accepted.)
> > 
> > Jud
> > 
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> -- 
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the sony VAIO.  it is clearly the top design for a
 mobile device these days, but i am needing to configure network devices
 and so the old D9 serial port is a real necessity.  i wonder if there
 exists a tested methodology for using a usb to serial converter on a
vaio running FREEBSD.

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Tony wrote:

>thank you, that makes sense, any idea what the filesystem is called in unix?
>(such as fat32 for windows)

UFS is the filesystem used by FreeBSD.  Some other flavors of
Unix and friends differ (Linux uses ext2, for example, and I think
SGI and SCO use other types).  

Peace -d

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>>Tony -
>>
>>Unix filesystems are better organized, and don't seem to suffer from
>>the fragmentation that FAT and FAT32 do, and so don't need this kind
>>of maintenance.  I don't fully understand the internals, however, and
>>would love to hear from someone who does ...
>>
>>As for "scandisk", the Unix equivalent is fsck, and it's normally only
>>necessary when the system was shut down improperly (as happens to me
>>frequently, because I really shouldn't be running two space heaters
>>and five computers on the same circuit =).  In such a case, fsck will
>>run on bootup before the filesystems are mounted.  You shouldn't run
>>fsck on a mounted filesystem.
>>
>>- -d
>>
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>>Tony wrote:
>>
>>>I have noticed that when my freebsd computer boots it says "file system clean
>
>>>skipping scan" or something to that effect.  with windoze computers I regulary
>
>>>scan disk and defrag, is that something I need to worry about with freebsd?
>
>>>is there some utility that I should be running that I'm not aware of? currently
>
>>>I have 2 freebsd machines a firewall and a webserver.
>>>
>>>thank you,
>>>Tony
>>>
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Jeremy Vandenhouten writes:
> This question comes up every so often. I think the last time was about 
> a month ago. I remember someone saying that you have to inform your 
> cable modem provider with the MAC address of your external card, so 
> that they can add it to their database.

Cable modems have a MAC address of their own. That's all my installers
wanted. Once they have that I'm sure they can monitor the MAC addresses 
they see connected to it but am not sure why they would care but for 
nosyness.

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All,

Just curious, Is ORB is supported in FreeBSD or can
run with FreeBSD?

I am very good with SCSI peripherals so please forgive
me if this is a stupid question

Thanks in advance
-WG

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Sorry to bust your bubble , but FreeBSD is not linux. 


On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Robert Seeders wrote:
> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:15:10 -0800 (PST)
> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> From: Robert Seeders <rlsiii_2000@yahoo.com>
> Subject: 4-H and Linux
> 
> Hello, my name is Robert Seeders.  I am a student at
> Lovejoy High School, Georgia and a very active member
> of the local 4-H club.  
> 
> I am currently working on a 4-H computer project
> focusing on the Linux operating system.  That's right,
> 
> 4-H isn't just about cows or cooking.  We have many
> 4-H'ers who are into technology.  In fact, when the
> National 4-H Technology Team met this summer a large
> part of our discussion was centered on how to bring
> computer technology and Internet access to everyone. 
> That is one of the reasons I decided to do my project
> demonstration on Linux.  
> 
> Through competition, I will be able to reach many
> other senior level 4-H'ers who are interested in
> computer technology and I hope to convince the other
> 15 members of my state 4-H Technology Corps to explore
> the use of Linux.   It is also my goal to win at State
> Level competition this year, I placed third last year.
> 
> While I found your website useful, any additional
> information or materials regarding Linux, your
> company, and your role in the IT industry would be
> helpful to my project and your assistance would be
> greatly appreciated.  
> 
> I can be reached at:  rlsiii_2000@yahoo.com
> 
> You can also send information to the following
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Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> Long ago there was the 6th Edition of UNIX, the first available
> outside of Bell Labs. It was cute, minute and very fast. It had
> a handful of system calls, the original Bourne Shell (which had
> a "goto" in it I recall, implemented as an external program).
> Then there was the 7th Edition. Everything was made "bigger",
> data structure sizes, system calls, tools (like make!) etc..
> It ran like a dead pig on the PDP11's of the time.

v6 was very small enough that one person could understand the kernel,
and the source code fit in a book small enough to be xeroxed. I don't
know that anyone ever tried to do that with v7. But "you are not
expected to understand this."

> At UCB they took this version and BSD started to grow...
> 
> The 7th Edition didn't last long. BSD Unix was starting to make a
> noise, particularly on VAXes..later came AT&T System 3, there was
> never a System 4, and then System 5.

System IV was never released. Under the consent decree, AT&T couldn't
compete in the computer software market, which meant they only sold
Unix that was no longer being used internally. So while they were
selling System III, they were running System IV and V internally. When
they were broken up, they could compete, and started selling System V.

> System V integrated many of the things from BSD.

So did System III; just not as many.

> BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
> Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
> the most awful Unix system ever let loose).

Sun wins the award for the most confusing naming, hands down.

SunOS through and including 4.x is BSD-based (and fed stuff back to
BSD). SunOS 5.0 and beyond is SysV-based, but has a good mix of SunOS
4.x features.

The *windowing* system that is bundled with SunOS is called
Solaris. Solaris 1 was what went with SunOS 4. With SunOS 5, you can't
get SunOS by itself (at least not to my knowledge). So the SunOS
5/Solaris 2 combination is what people mean when they say
"Solaris". SunOS 5 and Solaris 2 are lockstepped - SunOS 5.x is
bundled with Solarix 2.x.

Of course, that's not confusing enough. With SunOS 5.7/Solaris 2.7,
Sun declared they weren't going to do another major release, so they
were going to drop the first digit. So if you run Solaris X (X >= 7),
you get SunOS 5.X and the Solaris 2.X windowing system.

People *hated* Solaris (the SunOS 5.x/Solaris 2.x bundle) when it
first came out. There were "Death to Solaris" BOFs at Usenix. I still
remember Solaris 2.3 panicing regularly when fed certain flags to
ps. Not only that, they flagged it as "unfixable; don't do that until
you get 2.4".  That kind of thing drove many people to Ultrix and
HP-UX.

Finally, Ultrix can only be considered the most awful Unix system ever
let loose if you don't consider AIX to be Unix. Having done my time in
h ... maintaining AIX systems, I won't argue with that position.

> Most others got based loosely or otherwise on licensed code
> from AT&T, and there was always obeissance to the Regents of
> the University of California" in the copyright notices.
> This is the basis for HP-UX, Dynix/PTX, SCO etc etc...

Yup - everybody but AT&T ships some mixture of AT&T and BSD. And even
AT&T uses BSD code.

> So ... without the BSD kernel stuff and other things UNIX would 
> not be the system it is today.  

The TCP/IP stack was probably the most important bit (that migrated to
other OS's), but csh and vi, and rogue rank right up there.

> Since RISC has been imho the biggest single barrier to the
> development of a common operating platform, this may not
> be a loss. I suspect proprietary version of UNIX as such will
> eventually die out. Possibly not Solaris for a long while, but
> Sun have always been en enfant terrible, refusing to accept standards
> except their own for example.

We have a common operating system. It's just not good enough for some
people; that's why we run FreeBSD.

More seriously, I think you've confused cause and effect. The reason
we don't have a common OS is because most vendors felt they had to
extend the standards to provide "extra value". Vendors who were trying
to make money selling software for CISC hardware played the same game.
That's why RISC became popular - because the vendors felt they could
provide more value than they could with CISC.

> BSD I gather contains no code from the orginal BSD Unix, but
> my recent limited exposure to it has definitely given me the (old)
> BSD impressions. I have no exposure to the other systems with
> BSD in their name, so I will not comment.

Did you mean to say "BSD Lite has no code from the original AT&T
Unix"? That's true. FreeBSD has code that shipped with BSD in it, and
BSD had AT&T code in it, *except* for the BSD Lite distribution.

> Oh I forgot to mention AIX, IBM's Unix. There I've mentioned it.

"It'll remind you of Unix."

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tayers@bridge.com types:
> I'm still looking for the what/why of the passphrase. I assume it is
> additional security, but haven't seen that printed anywhere.

It's in the ssh-keygen man page:

	[the] passphrase will be used to encrypt the private part of
	[the identity] file using 3DES.

I'd say you used a passphrase on goats and if you don't trust root not
to abuse the ability of reading the secret key.

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Tom, you mind if I use that one?  Properly attributed, of
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Hi
Tring to set up a mail server for the first time. I have a static ip but no
DNS is it possible for me to just have
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At 11:07 PM -0500 11/27/00, linhnam wrote:
>I am trying to install VMware on FreeBSD 4.2.  I have
>compiled the bridge into the kernel and installed vmware.
>However, when I run vmware I am keep getting "Could
>find device /dev/vmnet0"
>
>HELP!!

This sounds familiar, but it's been so long since I've
installed vmware2 that I forget the details.  [okay, it's
only been about 2 months, but my brain needs a much larger
cache...]

Did you read all the documentation that the port points
you at when you install it?  It puts some writeups in
something like /usr/local/share/doc/vmware .  Those may
be a little confusing, though.

Note that it's vmware itself which is looking for
vmnet devices, which is to say it's looking under
/usr/compat/linux/dev, and not /dev

If I remember right, vmware should not be referencing
/dev/vmnet0, it should be referencing /dev/vmnet1.  This
probably means you have the wrong networking setup in
the configurations of your virtual machine.  You want
"host-only" networking, even though you might be
tempted to think you want "bridged" networking.  Yes,
you do use the "bridge" option in the kernel to get
"host-only" networking to work right, but as far as
vmware is concerned, you want "host-only" networking.

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Pkantmala <Pkantamala@operamail.com> types:
> How to get your product manual in format .pdf ?

Print the manual to ps, then use ps2pdf from the ghostscript port. If
you're using a good WP, it'll provide support for doing pdf magic
(i.e. - creating bookmarks, setting info, and inserting raw raw
postscript to do pdfmarks).

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if you're going to do that you might as well just get a hotmail account or
something.  a domain is pretty cheap these days, you should just drop
about $30 for a couple years' registration.


peace,
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> Tring to set up a mail server for the first time. I have a static ip but no
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> alex
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George Reid wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 Trikers3@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Dear sirs.
>>     I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I must do 
>> on several operating systems. 
>
>I'm sorry if I've been smoking too much crack, but I understood the
>general idea of a presentation was to relay your findings on a matter
>you've done some research on. That doesn't include getting somebody else
>to write it for you.
>
>Try reading the website - www.freebsd.org

[treading lightly] Ok, not to contest your point, but ... it occurs to
me, having seen several innocent inquisitors bitten this way, that
many people may assume that "questions@freebsd.org" leads to a
vendor's help desk.  Given that assumption, and not knowing anything
about FreeBSD, or about open source software and the nature of its
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from an encounter like this with an awfully sour impression of
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hello,
I am running in to some odd problems with name resolution. Here is what I am
seeing:

ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> w
10:42PM  up 106 days, 23:24, 14 users, load averages: 0.75, 1.08, 0.94
USER             TTY      FROM              LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
ekholm           p0       bigone           Sun09PM    33 -ksh (ksh)
ekholm           p1       bigone           20Nov00     - -ksh (ksh)

ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> who
ekholm           ttyp0   Nov 26 21:46   (192.168.0.17)
ekholm           ttyp1   Nov 20 19:00   (192.168.0.17)

ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> last|more
ekholm           ttyp0    192.168.0.17     Sun Nov 26 21:46   still logged in
ekholm           ttyp1    192.168.0.17     Mon Nov 20 19:00   still logged in
ekholm           ttypc    isis.XXXX.XXX    Mon Nov 27 22:26   still logged in
ekholm           ttyp8    j1xsfw01.XXXX.XXX Mon Nov 27 08:05   still logged in


The question is, why does w show the name I am from, but who and last do not.

ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> host 192.168.0.17
17.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa. domain name pointer bigone.XXXX.XXX.

ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> host bigone
bigone.XXXX.XXX has address 192.168.0.17

This happens with almsot any host in my 192.168.0/24, but does NOT happen
with IPs in other blocks (as shown in the last).

Another problem is, this machine is running a IRC server, for some reeason
connecting clients are not resolving, shows user@ip instead od user@dom.com

Any ideas?


 -Mike Ekholm

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Gary writes:
[...]
> Questions, can I use many of my Linux based rpms in BSD?  I guess you
> folks call them porting, or some such.

Its possible to use binary Linux RPM's in FreeBSD. The RPM thing is
ported to a native FreeBSD binary in order to handle Linux things for
Linux "emulation" in Linux ports (its not really emulation, only an ABI
translation).

>Also, is there support for WinTV (bttv) in the GUI. 

Best to ask in freebsd-multimedia.

> I just joined the group, and am unsure how to
> run the Linux end of it, if need be. 

% su
# cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base
# make install && make clean

Or if you were to install any other FreeBSD port of a Unix binary (such 
as WordPerfect or Acrobat Reader) then the required Linux stuff will be 
installed also too.

There is a loadable kernel module required for support of Linux. If you 
forget to say you want Linux compatibility when installing then at 
worst you have to put
	linux_enable="YES"
in /etc/rc.conf for the next reboot, and "kldload linux" at the 
keyboard for immediate gratification.

[...]
> and whether the newer GUIs are supported, etc.

GNOME and KDE native for FreeBSD follow closely behind the very 
latest.

[...]
> I don't know if you
> have an something similar to SAMBA, or is it SAMBA?

Its Samba. The very same.

I get the impression from Linux users that they are used to collections
of precompiled binaries in rpm format. Much like traditional shareware
collections for DOS/Windows. When they look at FreeBSD there is 
confusion about our ports and packages. FreeBSD didn't have a marketing 
inspiration to give them catchy names such as RPM. And I sense a bit of 
this confusion from you. In FreeBSD when talking about an application, 
a "port" is a collection of Makefile rules and possibly patchfiles and 
scripts, which are able to download, patch, compile, and install, an 
application from its original sources with the command, "make install".
A package is nothing but a precompiled port. Often made with "make 
package".

I install most everything the "ports" way. In the event I suspect a 
FreeBSD upgrade needs recompiled applications I already have the source 
files in /usr/ports/distfiles and can built them very easily.

One thing in particular I avoid compiling myself, cvsup, as building
that binary requires building Modula-3 (if you don't have it the port
will automatically recurse, fetch, and start installing everything it
needs). Broke myself of building that way back when I was at sub-Pentium
speed.


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Gary <medmanks@mindspring.com> types:
> Hello all, 

Hello Gary,

Most of this stuff is in the hadnbook. You really need to read through
that, but i'll give you short answers.

> Questions, can I use many of my Linux based rpms in BSD?  I guess you
> folks call them porting, or some such.

You can run many rpm's under Linux compatibility mode, but it's
preferable to run native code if you can. Packages are the FreeBSD
equivalent of rpm's. Ports are *much* more flexible, and are used to
build packages.

> Also, is there support for WinTV (bttv) in the GUI.

The GUI is the same as Linux - XFree86 and associated window and
desktop managers.  There are applications for a number of TV cards in
the ports. Fxtv supports the Brooktree cards.

> I guess, I am trying to get a handle on
> FreeBSD, other than using it for an excellent web server, but rather
> more in the scope of everyday business use with WordPerfect,
> StarOffice, maybe MySQL, a mail and fax server, using a NIC card to
> network to a couple other computers, NFS, etc. I don't know if you
> have an something similar to SAMBA, or is it SAMBA?

Everything you just named is in the ports. WordPerfect and StarOffice
run under Linux compatibility, and the OpenOffice port (what they're
calling the open source version of StarOffice) is being worked on so
you'll have that native. Personally, I prefer Applixware Office as an
office suite, and that's available native.

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hi,
     I have a scsi driver "fd.ko", I can now use "kldload ./fd.ko" to load 
it and the scsi card can work.  However, I want to compile this "fd.ko" into 
kernel so it can be automatically loaded and it also make it possible for me 
to install my freebsd on the disks attched to the scsi card.  So I modify 
the file "/sys/modules/Makefile" & "/sys/conf/files", and the kernel can 
successful recompiled.  However, when the system reboot, it crashed.  It 
seemed that the system try to load the "fd.ko" too early and the bsd scsi 
subsystem has not initated. My questions is: how to compile a scsi drive 
module (I have no source) into the kernel and make it functional?

best regards,
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I made a simple mistake...I will fix that now...see below.


At 12:34 PM 11/27/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>My actually wish is just to update 1 file - index.html;
>
>So here is how I modified the script;
>
>#!/usr/local/bin/bash
>USER="myusername"
>PASSWORD="mypassword"
>
>ftp_function() {
>      # Login
>      echo "$USER"
>      echo "$PASSWORD"
>
>      # change local dir (if necessary)
>      echo "lcd /usr/david/web"

       # add this!
       echo "as"

>      # change to binary transfer (use "as" for
>      # an ascii transfer)
>      echo "put index.html"  <-- you really should make a practice of 
> placing the whole path here too.
>
>      # wave goodbye.
>      echo "by"
>EOT
>}



># Connect with non-interactive ftp session (-i)
># and restrain attempt to auto-login (-n)
># ftp(1)
>
>ftp_function | ftp -ni
>
>
>As mentioned - my error is;
>
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>?Invalid command.
>
>
>
>
>On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 04:07:48AM -0500, Jim Conner wrote:
> > FTP from a script is easy
> >
> > #!/bin/ksh
> >
> > USER="whoever"
> > PASSWORD="whatever"
> >
> > ftp_function() {
> >      # Connect with non-interactive ftp session (-i)
> >      # and restrain attempt to auto-login (-n)
> >      # ftp(1)
> >      ftp -ni << EOT
> >
> >      # Login
> >      echo "$USER"
> >      echo "$PASSWORD"
> >
> >      # change local dir (if necessary)
> >      echo "lcd $localDir"
> >
> >      # change remote directory (if necessary)
> >      echo "cd $remoteDir"
> >
> >      # change to binary transfer (use "as" for
> >      # an ascii transfer)
> >      echo "bi"
> >
> >      # get your files.  Use echo "mput $files"
> >      # to put files to the remote side.
> >      echo "mget $files"
> >
> >      # wave goodbye.
> >      echo "by"
> > EOT
> > }
> >
> > files=$(ls /path/*.ext)
> > remoteDir="/PATH/To/REMOTE"
> > localDir="/PATH/TO/LOCAL"
> >
> > ftp_function
> >
> > Its late...so if I got anything wrong, I apologize.
> >
> > - Jim
> >
> >
> > At 02:36 AM 11/27/2000 -0600, Ben Weaver wrote:
> > >I wanted to do the same thing with a site I was working on and updating
> > >frequently.  Here's what I threw together:
> > >
> > >On my workstation I have a shell script called syncronize.  Here it is:
> > >
> > >#!/bin/sh
> > >tar cvzf - directory_to_publish | ssh username@server ./server_sync
> > >
> > >Keep in mind for this to work, the directory_to_publish must be a
> > >subdirectory of the directory syncronize is in.  You can change this as
> > >you like by altering the tar flags.
> > >
> > >On the server I made a shell script in my home directory called 
> server_sync:
> > >
> > >#!/bin/sh
> > >dd of=tmp.tar.gz
> > >rm -R /path/to/website/root/directory/*
> > >tar xvzf tmp.tar.gz -C /path/to/website/root/directory/
> > >rm tmp.tar.gz
> > >
> > >That's about it...  It's pretty crude, but it works for what I need it 
> to do.
> > >
> > >-Ben
> > >
> > >On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 01:48:18AM -0500, David Banning wrote:
> > > > I am trying to update my website automatically, but
> > > > as far as I can see, there is no way to use ftp from a script.
> > > >
> > > > Am am now looking at ssh/scp but I find it confusing.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone suggest how I can do what I want?
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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> >
> > - Jim
> > - NOTJames
> > - jconner@enterit.com
> >
> > - 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > - | Today's errors, in 
> contrast:                                           |
> > - | Windows - "Invalid page fault in module kernel32.dll at 
> 0032:A16F2935" |
> > - | UNIX    - "segmentation fault - core 
> dumped"                           |
> > - | Humans  - "OOPS, I've fallen and I can't get 
> up"                       |
> > - 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > - (To view this properly use a non-proportional font in your MUA)
> >
> >
>
>--
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>you will look forward to the trip.


- Jim
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- jconner@enterit.com

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On Monday, 27 November 2000 at 19:22:07 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
>
> FWIW, the "other" branch is the Unix Time Sharing System, aka
> "research" Unix, from which all things Unix derive. It's just Unix v1
> through v8, at which point it becomes Plan 9 [from Bell Labs, not
> Outer Space].

No, this is incorrect.  The Seventh Edition was the last generally
available research UNIX, and the Eighth Edition derives from 4.1BSD,
not the Seventh Edition.  There were also Ninth and Tenth Editions of
Research UNIX, after which the project was scrapped.  Any UNIX code in
Plan 9 would be pure coincidence; the Plan 9 project was a fresh
start.

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On Tuesday, 28 November 2000 at  2:04:56 +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 12:19:04PM -0500, Kenneth Wayne Culver wrote:
>>> well, 4.4 BSD is (i believe) a direct descendant of System V and the
>>> closest you'll find to actual UNIX today.  Linux is based largely in
>>> Posix.  You'll remember that BSD was originally developed using the
>>> AT&T code and while it contains no AT&T code today, linux never did.
>>
>> You have it backwards. System V integrates things from 4.4BSD and from the
>> other branch of UNIX (System IV?).
>>
>>
> Everyone is getting close.. but still no cigar .. lol
>
> Long ago there was the 6th Edition of UNIX, the first available
> outside of Bell Labs. It was cute, minute and very fast. It had
> a handful of system calls, the original Bourne Shell (which had
> a "goto" in it I recall, implemented as an external program).
> Then there was the 7th Edition. Everything was made "bigger",
> data structure sizes, system calls, tools (like make!) etc..
> It ran like a dead pig on the PDP11's of the time.

There wasn't really that much difference between the Sixth and Seventh
Editions.

> At UCB they took this version and BSD started to grow...
>
> The 7th Edition didn't last long.

The Seventh Edition was still in use ten years later.  For many
people, it was the "last true UNIX".  It was certainly the last UNIX
developed entirely at Bell Labs.

> BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
> Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
> the most awful Unix system ever let loose).
>
> Most others got based loosely or otherwise on licensed code
> from AT&T, and there was always obeissance to the Regents of
> the University of California" in the copyright notices.
> This is the basis for HP-UX, Dynix/PTX, SCO etc etc...
>
> So ... without the BSD kernel stuff and other things UNIX would
> not be the system it is today.

You've omitted the big thing: the Berkeley IP stack.

> BSD I gather contains no code from the orginal BSD Unix, 

No, that's incorrect.  It contains no code from the original AT&T
Research UNIX.

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On Monday, 27 November 2000 at 22:22:52 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
>> BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
>> Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
>> the most awful Unix system ever let loose).
>
> Sun wins the award for the most confusing naming, hands down.

I don't know what's so confusing about that.  SunOS up to 4 was based
on BSD.  SunOS from 5 onward was based on System V.  Solaris is a name
they introduced towards the end of the life of SunOS 4 to represent
the "complete operating system".

> The *windowing* system that is bundled with SunOS is called Solaris.

I recall it being called openview.

>> Most others got based loosely or otherwise on licensed code
>> from AT&T, and there was always obeissance to the Regents of
>> the University of California" in the copyright notices.
>> This is the basis for HP-UX, Dynix/PTX, SCO etc etc...
>
> Yup - everybody but AT&T ships some mixture of AT&T and BSD. And even
> AT&T uses BSD code.

AT&T doesn't ship at all any more.  SCO has the code base, such as it
is.

>> Oh I forgot to mention AIX, IBM's Unix. There I've mentioned it.
>
> "It'll remind you of Unix."

It reminded me of MVS.

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, David Talkington wrote:
> George Reid wrote:
> >On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 Trikers3@aol.com wrote:
> >>     I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I
must do on several operating systems. 
> >
> >Try reading the website - www.freebsd.org
> 
> [treading lightly] Ok, not to contest your point, but ... it occurs to
> me, having seen several innocent inquisitors bitten this way, that
> many people may assume that "questions@freebsd.org" leads to a
> vendor's help desk.  Given that assumption, and not knowing anything
> about FreeBSD, or about open source software and the nature of its
> community, let alone the fact that email to that address was being
> broadcast to that community, an unsuspecting newcomer might come away

	Yes I agree.  I find it really strange that the freebsd-questions
address is listed all over the website with most places not even mentioning
that it is a public mailing list.  I used to get frustrated that people
would send SO many subscribe messages and such to Freebsd-questions, but
what can be expected if there is no mention of etiquette or method of
subscribing in 95% of the times the freebsd-questions list is mentioned?
It doesn't even mention how to subscribe at
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list
In fact, most of the places it is mentioned it says email any questions to 
freebsd-questions.   The way it is stated in many places seems like it is
the project's question list, not a public mailing list that everybody
gets.  If you hadn't noticed this check back through the webpages and
you'll see it.
	I would have just sent this to freebsd-doc  but I wanted to see if
there was some agreement before doing so.  I think three things would 
make an improvement.  1.  There should at least be a mention of etiquette
near any mention of sending questions and  2.  More prominent placement of
the instructions for subscribing and  3.  Say that it is a public mailing
list.
	Even though there will always be people that will not read
instructions, right now you can't fault anybody because the instructions
for subscribing and etiquette are hard to find even if you are looking
for them.  I think this would increase the quality of the list a bit.  I
mean there are at least 50 subscribe messages sent each week it seems.
Thanks for reading,
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 11:36:01PM -0500, alex wrote:
> Hi
> Tring to set up a mail server for the first time. I have a static ip but no
> DNS is it possible for me to just have
> username@ ipaddress, like you would with apache in a browser?
> alex
Also you can use some of free DNS providers: 
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Hi !
I've recently got a proplem. I am running Apache on FreeBSD and
maintaining virtual web-servers. For each server there is a specific
user, and using apache suexec, cgi cripts are running from those
specific users. One of them got a perl script with memory leak - so
script gets all the memory, than swap and hangs all the host at final.
Here is the question: is there any way to limit resourses via OS
(memory, cpu) for that specific user or group/class of users ?
I've tried to make a group in login.conf:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
webcl|Web clients:\       
        :cputime=30m:\    
        :datasize=8M:\    
        :stacksize=2M:\   
        :memorylocked=4M:\
        :memoryuse=8M:\
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
and assigning those users to login class webcl. This doesn't help -
again script tooks all the memory. Scripts are running from Apache, so
using nice and limit, I guess, is unappliable.

Maybe somebody has got a solution ???

Answer please direct, cause I am out of freebsd-questions now.
Thanks for any help.

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Gene Rovang wrote:

> Do you support Macintosh System 7.5.5, 7.6, amd MacOS 8.x, 9.x and X??

The question is not too clear, but FreeBSD can act as a netatalk server
certainly for 8.x and 9.x, and I'm pretty sure for the earlier ones too.
MacOS X will have real tcp/ip networking since it is based on a unix core
so it should network quite well with freebsd though I have not used the
beta.  In other words a FreeBSD machine can act as a server for those so
in that sense those operating systems are supported.  But programs written
for those OS's will not run on FreeBSD.  Well maybe some utilities from
OSX will.

> Also do you support Novell IntraNetware Clients for Windows?
	No idea, don't know anything about it.  search around at
www.freebsd.org   There's a lot of good information there.

> 
> Gene Rovang
> Lead Test Engineer
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Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> types:
> On Monday, 27 November 2000 at 22:22:52 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> >> BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
> >> Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
> >> the most awful Unix system ever let loose).
> > Sun wins the award for the most confusing naming, hands down.
> I don't know what's so confusing about that.  SunOS up to 4 was based
> on BSD.  SunOS from 5 onward was based on System V.  Solaris is a name
> they introduced towards the end of the life of SunOS 4 to represent
> the "complete operating system".

That may well be the case. I recall having to install SunOS and then
Solaris for 4.x, but that may have been a local oddity.

The real confusion is in the usage, not the naming - well, except for
Solaris 7 & 8. I don't know where the habit of using "Solaris" to
refer to Solaris 2.x/SunOS 5.x and "SunOS" to refer to Solaris
1.x/SunOS 4.x, but's a confusing habit.

Other companies that went through the BSD->SysV transition changed the
name of the OS: Ultrix turned into OSF (among other things), and MIPS
changed the name on theirs as well (though I don't recall both
names).

> > The *windowing* system that is bundled with SunOS is called Solaris.
> I recall it being called openview.

Wasn't it SunView, then OpenWindows? With NeWS or SunDEW or some such
in the middle?

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:17:10AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> >     What protocols are needed to run a l.a.n. net with free b.s.d.? 
> 
> ARP, and TCP/IP.
Also IPX and AppleTalk :-)

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On Monday, 27 November 2000 at 23:45:41 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> types:
>> On Monday, 27 November 2000 at 22:22:52 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
>>> Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
>>>> BSD became the basis for certain versions of UNIX, most notably
>>>> Sunos..aka these days Solaris, and Ultrix (DEC Unix of it's day,
>>>> the most awful Unix system ever let loose).
>>>
>>> Sun wins the award for the most confusing naming, hands down.
>>
>> I don't know what's so confusing about that.  SunOS up to 4 was based
>> on BSD.  SunOS from 5 onward was based on System V.  Solaris is a name
>> they introduced towards the end of the life of SunOS 4 to represent
>> the "complete operating system".
>
> That may well be the case. I recall having to install SunOS and then
> Solaris for 4.x, but that may have been a local oddity.
>
> The real confusion is in the usage, not the naming - well, except for
> Solaris 7 & 8. I don't know where the habit of using "Solaris" to
> refer to Solaris 2.x/SunOS 5.x and "SunOS" to refer to Solaris
> 1.x/SunOS 4.x, but's a confusing habit.
>
> Other companies that went through the BSD->SysV transition changed the
> name of the OS: Ultrix turned into OSF (among other things), 

Well, OSF definitely wasn't System V.  Quite the contrary.

>>> The *windowing* system that is bundled with SunOS is called
>>> Solaris.
>>
>> I recall it being called openview.
>
> Wasn't it SunView, then OpenWindows? With NeWS or SunDEW or some such
> in the middle?

Yes, I thought when I sent that that it was probably wrong, and I
didn't want to boot my ancient Sparc2 just to check.

Greg
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* Gary <medmanks@mindspring.com> [001127 17:37] wrote:
> Hello all, 
> 
> Questions, can I use many of my Linux based rpms in BSD?  I guess you
> folks call them porting, or some such. Also, is there support for
> WinTV (bttv) in the GUI. I just joined the group, and am unsure how to
> run the Linux end of it, if need be.  I would sincerely appreciate the
> basics, as to what can be ported over from Linux in terms of programs
> (although I must say, that on many occasions, I have seen builds for
> FreeBSD), and whether the newer GUIs are supported, etc.  Any help is
> sincerely appreciated.  I guess, I am trying to get a handle on
> FreeBSD, other than using it for an excellent web server, but rather
> more in the scope of everyday business use with WordPerfect,
> StarOffice, maybe MySQL, a mail and fax server, using a NIC card to
> network to a couple other computers, NFS, etc. I don't know if you
> have an something similar to SAMBA, or is it SAMBA?
> 
> 		Thanks for your help. 

You can get all this stuff for FreeBSD, see: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/
do a few searches and you'll see we have most of it, if not all the
apps you want.

best of luck,
-Alfred


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* Scott, David (ACT - ATL) <ScottD@actglobal.com> [001127 19:00] wrote:
> 
> 
>   Ok I have a linux box that I have set up as a NFS server. I want to be
> able to boot a non-linux non-dos box, with unix, and install unix over the
> NFS.
> 
> Do you have any HOWTOs on this, or any ideas on how to set the boot/root
> floppies to be the NFS client to this linux running NFS server?
> 
> I want to show the differents in the BOXes, WinNET to LinxNET to UnixNET,
> etc.

This is all I have:

http://people.freebsd.org/~alfred/pxe/

best of luck,
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* Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001127 19:31] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> for an experiment, I'm writing a little tool that blasts large (9K) UDP
> packets at another host. I'm using connected sockets and send(2). Very
> quickly, send(2) returns  indicating that the socket send buffer is full.
> So far, so good.
> 
> My question is: How do I detect that the socket buffer has sufficiently
> emptied to resume sending? I tried setting the SO_SNDLOWAT to my message
> size and checking with select(2) if the socket is writable. However,
> select(2) always returns telling me it is, even though a following send(2)
> results in ENOBUFS. This may in fact be a bug in FreeBSD, since the
> setsockopt(2) man page seems to indicate that this should work:
> 
>   SO_SNDLOWAT is an option to set the minimum count for output operations.
>   Most output operations process all of the data supplied by the call, de-
>   livering data to the protocol for transmission and blocking as necessary
>   for flow control.  Nonblocking output operations will process as much da-
>   ta as permitted subject to flow control without blocking, but will pro-
>   cess no data if flow control does not allow the smaller of the low water
>   mark value or the entire request to be processed.  A select(2) operation
>   testing the ability to write to a socket will return true only if the low
>   water mark amount could be processed.  The default value for SO_SNDLOWAT
>   is set to a convenient size for network efficiency, often 1024.
> 
> 
> Any ideas? Spinning is not really an option...

ENOBUFS doesn't indicate that the socketbuffer is full

     55 ENOBUFS No buffer space available.  An operation on a socket or pipe
             was not performed because the system lacked sufficient buffer
             space or because a queue was full.

opposed to:

     35 EAGAIN Resource temporarily unavailable.  This is a temporary condi-
             tion and later calls to the same routine may complete normally.

but when you xref against write(2) you'll see:

     [EAGAIN]           The file was marked for non-blocking I/O, and no data
                        could be written immediately.

What you need to do is increase the amount of bufferspace available in
the kernel because your program is exhausing all the network resources
available to it.

Raise maxusers or nmbclusters.

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 09:43:01AM +0000, Duke Normandin wrote:
> So.....the output on my win95 box is:
This is "host only". I think. It can't forward packets between network
interfaces. I think, you can have two netcards in Win95 box. You can
even "be in two networks" as client workstation, but  PC on 1st net
will not "see" PC on 2nd net.
With Unix or NT you can: 
                 PC_with_Unix_or_NT
PC1--PC2<------->NC1            NC2<--------------->PC3----PC4
you can use "ping" on PC1: ping PC4 and you'll get response (if you
have not setup firewall on "PC_with_Unix_or_NT")
But, in this configuration:
                        Windows_95_PC
PC1---PC2_with_UNIX<--->NC1       NC2<----->PC3-------PC4

you can use ping on Windows_95_PC: "ping PC1" or "ping PC4"
but on 
PC2_with_UNIX or PC1 you can't: ping PC4

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I have four older Prolinea machines that I'd like to run FreeBSD on as
both mail and SQL servers. These are rather old machines that were
acquired from Microsoft's surplus, and are still functioning quite well
under Windows 2000 Advanced Server. They have 128MB memory, EISA bus,
onboard NCR 8c510 SCSI-2 (I think that's the chipset), and four Pentium 66
CPUs.

I've been almost totally unable to install Linux on these machines, as it
has trouble using the installed ThunderLAN card (which IS supported by
RedHat at least) and had problems recognizing the CD-ROM. I tried
4.2-RELEASE on these machines, but the setup crashed after the hardware
selection screen.

Is this a problem with the SMP implementation on these machines? I beleive
that each individual P66 board has a separate APIC onboard (another large
Socket4-sized processor on the board, but definetely not a CPU), as
opposed to maybe a single on-board APIC. I'm not very knowledgable with
SMP, as this is my first multi-CPU system I've used.

I'm about to fall back to previous versions of FreeBSD, including 3.5, but
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soon, or I'll have to install Win2k, which is definetely not what I'd
prefer.

If anybody has used these systems and has any hints, please let me know by
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Mike Meyer wrote:

<humbly_snipped>

> The real confusion is in the usage, not the naming - well, except for
> Solaris 7 & 8. I don't know where the habit of using "Solaris" to
> refer to Solaris 2.x/SunOS 5.x and "SunOS" to refer to Solaris
> 1.x/SunOS 4.x, but's a confusing habit.

</humbly_snipped>

I have to thank everyone for the postings for it's being archived while
I'm beginning the new paperback I just bought "A Quarter Century of
UNIX" by Peter Salus.

I cannot tell you the caution I urge to anyone to who gets too
comfortable with the mouse clicking installs of Linux etc, I've been
having a sheer battle all night here with the Solaris-8 distro (work
related project) and long for just the knowledge of "HALF OF WHAT YOU
THREE HAVE FORGOTTEN" about Unix. I think a UNIX boot camp is needed
somewhere, somehow, to really make people appreciate what the
experienced Unix users have had to go through to get where we have got
to today.

I have gained much more respect for the old Unix people each and every
time I log into a new Unix distro. I don't know how I'm typing this
letter, for after my struggles tonight trying to splice Pine and
Fetchmail into Solaris-8 I've been reduced from 6'-2" to about '2-6".

Humbly Yours, Bill

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Would someone please enlighten me on just how I go about setting up keys =
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element that gets its thrills from wanton vandalism, however as with =
most=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>new things in unix&nbsp;the =
documentation quite=20
sparse as far as explaining </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>"exactly_how_do_I_do_this_from_scratch_when_I_&nbsp;only_first=20
_stumbled_across_ the beast_an_hour_ago"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've installed "TeraTerm" in the =
Windows systems,=20
(complete with the SSH patch), and its sorta talking to unix (its got no =

problem</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with regular telnet =
login),&nbsp;</FONT><FONT=20
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</FONT><FONT=20
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refuses to=20
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>private </FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
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the public keys that I copied from the FreeBSD /home/username=20
directory.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"man ssh" says "The user creates =
his/her RSA key=20
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directory on=20
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all very well=20
if the remote machine happens to be another unix box, but&nbsp;where on =
earth=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>one find a "HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys" =
file or=20
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????????=20
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authentication for=20
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FreeBSD=20
</FONT></DIV>
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just how I go=20
about setting up keys that are acceptable to both FreeBSD &amp; Windows, =

</FONT></DIV>
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pocus is=20
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Mon Nov 27 22:36:53 2000
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:36:46 -0800 (PST)
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Mike Ekholm wrote:
> 
> hello,
> I am running in to some odd problems with name resolution. Here is what I am
> seeing:
> 
> ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> w
> 10:42PM  up 106 days, 23:24, 14 users, load averages: 0.75, 1.08, 0.94
> USER             TTY      FROM              LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
> ekholm           p0       bigone           Sun09PM    33 -ksh (ksh)
> ekholm           p1       bigone           20Nov00     - -ksh (ksh)
>
<snip who(1) output>
> 
> ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> last|more
> ekholm           ttyp0    192.168.0.17     Sun Nov 26 21:46   still logged in
> ekholm           ttyp1    192.168.0.17     Mon Nov 20 19:00   still logged in
> ekholm           ttypc    isis.XXXX.XXX    Mon Nov 27 22:26   still logged in
> ekholm           ttyp8    j1xsfw01.XXXX.XXX Mon Nov 27 08:05   still logged in
> 
> 
> The question is, why does w show the name I am from, but who and
> last do not.

w(1) does a DNS lookup on all the hostnames it gets from the utmp
file.  last(1) and who(1) don't.

> This happens with almsot any host in my 192.168.0/24, but does NOT happen
> with IPs in other blocks (as shown in the last).

When who(1) and last(1) show hostnames, it is because whatever program
wrote to the utmp/wtmp files recorded the DNS entry in ut_host rather
than a numeric address.  As stated before, w(1) always does a DNS
lookup, so you always get a hostname from it if it can find it.

As to why some of your connections get recorded with numeric address
and others with DNS names, perhaps you're using different methods to
log in?  For example, IIRC, ftp records the DNS name in ut_host, while
telnetd records the numeric address.

> 
> Another problem is, this machine is running a IRC server, for some reeason
> connecting clients are not resolving, shows user@ip instead od
> user@dom.com

Can you resolve the name manually using host(1)?  Can you telnet or
ping the hostname?  If you answered yes to the former but no the
latter, you may want to check out /etc/resolv.conf or resolver(5).

Hope this helps

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On Tuesday 28 November 2000 05:15, Robert Seeders wrote:
> Hello, my name is Robert Seeders.  I am a student at
> Lovejoy High School, Georgia and a very active member
> of the local 4-H club.
>
> I am currently working on a 4-H computer project
> focusing on the Linux operating system.  That's right,
>
> 4-H isn't just about cows or cooking.  We have many
> 4-H'ers who are into technology.  In fact, when the
> National 4-H Technology Team met this summer a large
> part of our discussion was centered on how to bring
> computer technology and Internet access to everyone.
> That is one of the reasons I decided to do my project
> demonstration on Linux.
>
> Through competition, I will be able to reach many
> other senior level 4-H'ers who are interested in
> computer technology and I hope to convince the other
> 15 members of my state 4-H Technology Corps to explore
> the use of Linux.   It is also my goal to win at State
> Level competition this year, I placed third last year.
>
> While I found your website useful, any additional
> information or materials regarding Linux, your
> company, and your role in the IT industry would be
> helpful to my project and your assistance would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> I can be reached at:  rlsiii_2000@yahoo.com
>
> You can also send information to the following
> address:
> 12009 Scottish Court
> Fayetteville, GA 30215
>
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
> Robert Seeders
>
.....FreeBSD is not linux. Compare 
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/history.html  and
http://www.linuxdoc.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/x13.html#AEN15

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Tim McMillen wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, David Talkington wrote:
> > George Reid wrote:
> > >On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 Trikers3@aol.com wrote:
> > >>     I need to know the answers to some questions for a presentation I
> must do on several operating systems. 
> > >
> > >Try reading the website - www.freebsd.org
> > 
> > [treading lightly] Ok, not to contest your point, but ... it occurs to
> > me, having seen several innocent inquisitors bitten this way, that
> > many people may assume that "questions@freebsd.org" leads to a
> > vendor's help desk.  Given that assumption, and not knowing anything
> > about FreeBSD, or about open source software and the nature of its
> > community, let alone the fact that email to that address was being
> > broadcast to that community, an unsuspecting newcomer might come away
> 
> 	Yes I agree.  I find it really strange that the freebsd-questions
> address is listed all over the website with most places not even mentioning
> that it is a public mailing list.  I used to get frustrated that people
> would send SO many subscribe messages and such to Freebsd-questions, but
> what can be expected if there is no mention of etiquette or method of
> subscribing in 95% of the times the freebsd-questions list is mentioned?
> It doesn't even mention how to subscribe at
> http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list

AFAIK, support.html lists the methods of getting support and where to
get more information about them.  If you'll notice, the first two
words under the "mailing lists" subheading are a link to another page.
This page does talk about etiquette, reading the charters, how to
[un]subscribe, and the fact that it's a public list.

> In fact, most of the places it is mentioned it says email any questions to 
> freebsd-questions.   The way it is stated in many places seems like it is
> the project's question list, not a public mailing list that everybody
> gets.  If you hadn't noticed this check back through the webpages and
> you'll see it.

I guess you're referring to the footer on most of the pages:

:        For questions about FreeBSD, e-mail <questions@FreeBSD.org>.
:     For questions about this documentation, e-mail <doc@FreeBSD.org>.

I suppose it wouldn't hurt to be a little more verbose here, but
appending the equivilent of the mailing list section in the handbook
(which seems to be what you're advocating) would be a little too much.

Regards

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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:48:46PM -0600 or thereabouts, David Kelly wrote:
 
> Its possible to use binary Linux RPM's in FreeBSD. The RPM thing is
> ported to a native FreeBSD binary in order to handle Linux things for
> Linux "emulation" in Linux ports (its not really emulation, only an ABI
> translation).
 
> % su
> # cd /usr/ports/emulators/linux_base
> # make install && make clean
 
......(snip)

David, Mike, and Alfred,

Thank you for taking the time for your individual responses to my
questions.  You have answered them in enough depth for me to want to
sink my teeth into the power pack. Of course, I will be reading the
manual too.  I am looking forward to getting into this powerhouse
OS. It will be nice to be back in Unix again. 

> GNOME and KDE native for FreeBSD follow closely behind the very 
> latest.

Good news, I should have known.  

> I get the impression from Linux users that they are used to collections
> of precompiled binaries in rpm format. Much like traditional shareware
> collections for DOS/Windows. When they look at FreeBSD there is 
> confusion about our ports and packages. FreeBSD didn't have a marketing 
> inspiration to give them catchy names such as RPM. And I sense a bit of 
> this confusion from you. In FreeBSD when talking about an application, 
> a "port" is a collection of Makefile rules and possibly patchfiles and 
> scripts, which are able to download, patch, compile, and install, an 
> application from its original sources with the command, "make install".
> A package is nothing but a precompiled port. Often made with "make 
> package".

Interesting, yes to some degree, but I am used to building from both
source rpms and tar balls using ./configure - make - make install too
<g>  I think the BSD way of doing it is, well an elegant way of doing
it. I think my initial confusion was my own mental correlation of my
Linux experience to that of BSD.  Your above explanation is well
done, and extremely digestible.  
 
> I install most everything the "ports" way. In the event I suspect a 
> FreeBSD upgrade needs recompiled applications I already have the source 
> files in /usr/ports/distfiles and can built them very easily.

Excellent idea.
 
> One thing in particular I avoid compiling myself, cvsup, as building
> that binary requires building Modula-3 (if you don't have it the port
> will automatically recurse, fetch, and start installing everything it
> needs). Broke myself of building that way back when I was at sub-Pentium
> speed.

I will keep this in mind during my new adventure.  

Thank you all.

-- 
Best regards,
Gary             

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shoes.  That way if he gets angry he'll be a mile away -- and
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Hi there,

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    Hello...

    I have some problem. When I am installing FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE at the end
of installation process in the debug console appear some error messages
"Syntax error", "Bus error" and some others. I install FreeBSD from FTP at
Australia and from local FTP with the same copy of FreeBSD. When
installation process is complete, I am reboot OS. When FreeBSD boot first
time there are many errors at rc script with "Syntax error", "Bus error" and
etc. (something about ELF).

    What's happend?

    P.S. This problem is appear in a "Custom" mode and in the "Standart"
mode.

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In message <HLEDJBJKDDPDJBMGCLPPGEFMCKAA.otterr@telocity.com> "Otter" writes:
: an error message stating "/dev/card0: device not configured". What am

For some reason your cardbus/pccard controller isn't being
recognized.  The 574BT is a supported card.  I don't know why that is
the case.

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Please word wrap your emails....

>     In most UNIX system,if I you use command 'top',I will see status
> of processes marked 'S','I','Z',and so on,these marks could be found
> in unix manual---man,but in FreeBSD,the process is marked
> 'sbwait','piperd','select',and so on,what do they mean?

The man page for top(1) says that these values are similar to the ones
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>                     yours sincerely,
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: advance.

No you don't.  Just add -z to the command line for pccardd and it will
do the pausing for you.

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In message <20001125124630.W12190@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> "Crist J . Clark" writes:
: Personally, I think it would make more sense to put the delay in
: rc.pccard,

Bad idea.  Just add -z to pccardd_flags and it will wait until the
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Can anyone recommend a good bootable SCSI card that works with FreeBSD? 
I've been looking at an Adaptec AHA-2930U, but I don't know if it's
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Hi there,
I've been having problems with video cards all the time since i sold my
old PC.
Right now I have a NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2.
I tried both FreeBSD 4.1.1-R and FreeBSD 4.2-R.
I get an error when i try SuperProb.
The error message I get is:
SuperProbe: KDENABIO failed
SuperProbe: Cannot open video
I mean is it the card?
Could someone tell me what card should I get?
Thanks,

    --Nader



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I installed FreeBSD three months ago. I am using a Vanta too.
I didn't used Superprobe, I used XF86Setup (for Xfree 3.3.6). 
I specified there I have a RivaTNT2 card and it worked.
For Xfree 4.0.1 I used 'XFree86 -configure' and it found my card.
Regards,
Cip 

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Nader Turki wrote:

> Hi there,
> I've been having problems with video cards all the time since i sold my
> old PC.
> Right now I have a NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2.
> I tried both FreeBSD 4.1.1-R and FreeBSD 4.2-R.
> I get an error when i try SuperProb.
> The error message I get is:
> SuperProbe: KDENABIO failed
> SuperProbe: Cannot open video
> I mean is it the card?
> Could someone tell me what card should I get?
> Thanks,
> 
>     --Nader
> 
> 
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I'm currently running FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE and XFree86 3.36 on a
workstation with a NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2 with 16 megs of RAM.   
I've also run XFree86 4.01 with it.  I've never run SuperProbe on it,
but I never needed to.  The only OS I've found that doesn't like the
NVIDIA is Solaris.  Its a decent card, although my other boxen run with
somewhat older Matrox and ATI cards, which I both like.  There is a
NVidia Riva TNT2 driver with XFree86 3.3.6, and you can use the nv
driver (listed as NVidia GeForce) with the TNT2 if you want to use
XFree86 4.01. 

Nader Turki wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> I've been having problems with video cards all the time since i sold my
> old PC.
> Right now I have a NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2.
> I tried both FreeBSD 4.1.1-R and FreeBSD 4.2-R.
> I get an error when i try SuperProb.
> The error message I get is:
> SuperProbe: KDENABIO failed
> SuperProbe: Cannot open video
> I mean is it the card?
> Could someone tell me what card should I get?
> Thanks,
> 
>     --Nader
> 
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hi,
    does anyone know how to setup a callback connection to the isp.
    I have done it in the windows easily, it is little harder in Freebsd.
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Thanks for your reply.
Maybe one of you can help me.
I reinstalled FreeBSD few times and couldn't get it to work.
You see, every time i try the XFree86Setup. I wanna try the second time, it
fails :(
Anyway,
I have this Card:
Cardexpert TM64 Nvidia Riva TNT2 4xAGP 32MB VGA

And I think my other Problem is the Monitor, It's a ViewSonic PF970.

Hope one of you guys can help me and tell me which settings should I choose.
Now I feel stupid 'cause I sold my old PC. I had an old 8MB card on it. I
used to SuperProbe and use the XF86Config script.

Thanks,

--Nader


Janet Sullivan wrote:

> I'm currently running FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE and XFree86 3.36 on a
> workstation with a NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2 with 16 megs of RAM.
> I've also run XFree86 4.01 with it.  I've never run SuperProbe on it,
> but I never needed to.  The only OS I've found that doesn't like the
> NVIDIA is Solaris.  Its a decent card, although my other boxen run with
> somewhat older Matrox and ATI cards, which I both like.  There is a
> NVidia Riva TNT2 driver with XFree86 3.3.6, and you can use the nv
> driver (listed as NVidia GeForce) with the TNT2 if you want to use
> XFree86 4.01.
>
> Nader Turki wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> > I've been having problems with video cards all the time since i sold my
> > old PC.
> > Right now I have a NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2.
> > I tried both FreeBSD 4.1.1-R and FreeBSD 4.2-R.
> > I get an error when i try SuperProb.
> > The error message I get is:
> > SuperProbe: KDENABIO failed
> > SuperProbe: Cannot open video
> > I mean is it the card?
> > Could someone tell me what card should I get?
> > Thanks,
> >
> >     --Nader
> >
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kashmir% man ahc
AHC(4)                 FreeBSD Kernel Interfaces Manual
AHC(4)

NAME
     ahc - Adaptec VL/EISA/PCI SCSI host adapter driver
<snip>
DESCRIPTION
     This driver provides access to the SCSI bus(es) connected to
Adaptec
     AIC7770, AIC7850, AIC7860, AIC7870, AIC7880, AIC7890, AIC7891,
AIC7892,
     AIC7895, AIC7896, AIC7897 and AIC7899 host adapter chips.  These
chips
     are found on many motherboards as well as the following Adaptec
SCSI con-
     troller cards: 274X(W), 274X(T), 284X, 2910, 2915, 2920, 2930C,
2930U2,
     2940, 2940U, 2940AU, 2940UW, 2940UW Dual, 2940UW Pro, 2940U2W,
2940U2B,
     2950U2W, 2950U2B, 19160B, 29160B, 29160N, 3940, 3940U, 3940AU,
3940UW,
     3940AUW, 3940U2W, 3950U2, 3960, 39160, 3985, and 4944UW.

     Driver features include support for twin and wide busses, fast,
ultra or
     ultra2 synchronous transfers depending on controller type, tagged
queu-
     ing, SCB paging, and target mode.
<snip>

-Otter


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}Can anyone recommend a good bootable SCSI card that works
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}I've been looking at an Adaptec AHA-2930U, but I don't know if it's
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}I'm running FreeBSD 4.1
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I would appreciate help on getting a working connection between
a Win95 box (running as a vt100 terminal) and my laptop (running
FreeBSD 4.0)

What I did:

(1) changed /etc/ttys to read
ttyd0 "usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure
(I also tried "unknown" instead of "vt100" as well as some other getty
types like std.19200, etc)

(2) #kill -HUP 1

(3) connected null modem cable between Win95 COM 2 and Laptop Serial 1

(4) #ps -axww|grep getty   yields:
214  ??  I    0:0.0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600  ttyd0

when I started up HyperTerminal in Win95 and configured it for "Direct to COM
2"+
emulate vt100 terminal+9600bps 8-N-1 and tried to connect, the terminal
was locked up (no echo of keys typed on the screen).

What am I doing wrong?

I didn't stop there. I tried this (this was *not* from the handbook, I just
tried it
since it's what I've been doing to activate cuaa0 as my dialout modem on
Serial 1):
#ppp
ppp> set device /dev/ttyd0
ppp> term

this locked up the session, but I did #ps -axww|grep getty in a new session
and now got:
214  d0  Is+    0:0.0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600  ttyd0

(note the ?? changed to d0 as the Handbook section 14.3.4 suggests to look for)
When I tried reconnecting the Win95 HyperTerminal app, now as I typed in the
terminal window, the keystrokes were echoed back to me, but alas no login prompt
from FreeBSD.

Thanks for helping this newbie.

RAJ CHOUDHURY

PS: There seems to be a discrepancy between the Handbook (14.3.4) which
says the ps command yields:
22189  d1  Is+  0:0.3 /usr/libexec/getty  std.38400  ttyd1
(for example) and FAQ (11.8) which says you should see
747  ??  I  0:0.04 /usr/libexec/getty  std.57600  ttyd1.
Why does one show "??" and the other show "d1" ? Is the fact that I was
seeing the "??" initally linked to my problem?




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Hello, 

On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:23:54PM -0600, mattman@mattcave.net wrote:
>Here's something I don't know. How do you get a fucking program to load at 
>startup on freebsd? Where on your fucking website do you have that. 
There are 3 ways to load some program on startup:
1) create /etc/rc.local and add command to it, for example, I'll give
   full instructions:
      Make sure you are root, then
      cd /etc
      ls rc.local 
   If there is rc.local, then edit this file with your favorite
   text editor.
   If there is not rc.loc, then
      cat >rc.local
      #!/bin/sh
      echo Starting _some daemon_:
      /usr/local/sbin/daemon_name
   Of course, you need use _path to your daemon_ :-)
      Press ^D (This mean Press and don't release Ctrl key, then press D)
      chmod +x rc.local
2) Second way is more modern way (sorry for not good English) :-)
   Go to /usr/local/etc/rc.d directory
   Copy one of files you find in it to (for example) my_daemon.sh
   Then edit my_daemon.sh so it will start your daemon.
   Also, most ports intall daemon.sh.sample into /usr/local/etc/rc.d
   so you can use it. Of course, it will be named not daemon.sh :-)
   For example Samba port installs samba.sh.sample
3) This is not really "starting on system boot", but "starting on
   request". To do this edit /etc/inetd.conf (use command man inetd.conf
   to get help about inetd.conf structure) But you can just use
   entries in this file as example. Also don't forget restart inetd
   daemon after editing this file. Do "killall -HUP inetd" at shell
   prompt while you are "root" user.
   Yet again, most ports do this for you (except, maybe restarting
   inetd). 
   Most POP3 servers use this way to start.
>I want to set up a Unix POP3 server. The instructions tell me how to compile. 
After you install most POP3 servers just edit /etc/inetd.conf, add
this line at end of file. 

pop3    stream  tcp     nowait  root    /usr/local/libexec/popa3d popa3d

This is from my /etc/inetd.conf so in your case you maybe will need
other daemon name.

After you have edited /etc/inetd.conf restart inted daemon:

killall -HUP inetd       # This is for FreeBSD 4.x and most Linuxes
Or:
ps xa| grep inetd        # This will give you PID of inetd process
kill -HUP _PID_OF_INETD_ # Replace _PID_OF_INETD_ with real value

>The only thing I've found on your website is how great freebsd is 
>and you can do it but it depends on your version. I know my version... 
>how do I fucking do it?

Then you can check your setup. Do as normal user or as root:

telnet localhost 110
Trying 127.0.0.1...
Connected to localhost.rainbow.
Escape character is '^]'.
+OK
QUIT
+OK
Connection closed by foreign host.

This is of course in case of POP3 server. 

Also I recommend you read some good book about UNIX, for example:
"UNIX SECRETS" by James C. Armstrong, Jr.
IDG Books Worldwide, Inc

I have only Russian version of this book, so I can't give you ISBN
info.

Good luck! 

PS.
A lot of "f*ck" remembered me speach of some russian militaries :-)
But they had used Russian equivalents of course: ebat', huj, bljad', 
etc :-)))

-- 
Igor' Robul', Unix System Administrator & Programmer @ sanatorium "Raduga", 
Sochi, Russia
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On Tuesday 28 November 2000 09:51, Jeff Blaufuss wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good bootable SCSI card that works with FreeBSD?
> I've been looking at an Adaptec AHA-2930U, but I don't know if it's
> compatable with FreeBSD or not.
>
> I'm running FreeBSD 4.1
>
> Jeff Blaufuss
>
>
I run (non raid) qlogic qla1040 and (raid) mylex dac960PLT1  
I like mylex technical support...always had good responses from them.


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I haven't set up a serial link to my BSD boxen (though I should), but
this might be a helpful link:
http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/sercon.html

-Otter


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}From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
}raj.choudhury@de.opel.com
}Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:42 AM
}To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
}Subject: help with ttyd0 & serial-linking PC to BSD box
}
}
}
}
}I would appreciate help on getting a working connection between
}a Win95 box (running as a vt100 terminal) and my laptop (running
}FreeBSD 4.0)
}
}What I did:
}
}(1) changed /etc/ttys to read
}ttyd0 "usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure
}(I also tried "unknown" instead of "vt100" as well as some
}other getty
}types like std.19200, etc)
}
}(2) #kill -HUP 1
}
}(3) connected null modem cable between Win95 COM 2 and
}Laptop Serial 1
}
}(4) #ps -axww|grep getty   yields:
}214  ??  I    0:0.0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600  ttyd0
}
}when I started up HyperTerminal in Win95 and configured it
}for "Direct to COM
}2"+
}emulate vt100 terminal+9600bps 8-N-1 and tried to connect,
}the terminal
}was locked up (no echo of keys typed on the screen).
}
}What am I doing wrong?
}
}I didn't stop there. I tried this (this was *not* from the
}handbook, I just
}tried it
}since it's what I've been doing to activate cuaa0 as my
}dialout modem on
}Serial 1):
}#ppp
}ppp> set device /dev/ttyd0
}ppp> term
}
}this locked up the session, but I did #ps -axww|grep getty
}in a new session
}and now got:
}214  d0  Is+    0:0.0 /usr/libexec/getty std.9600  ttyd0
}
}(note the ?? changed to d0 as the Handbook section 14.3.4
}suggests to look for)
}When I tried reconnecting the Win95 HyperTerminal app, now
}as I typed in the
}terminal window, the keystrokes were echoed back to me, but
}alas no login prompt
}from FreeBSD.
}
}Thanks for helping this newbie.
}
}RAJ CHOUDHURY
}
}PS: There seems to be a discrepancy between the Handbook
}(14.3.4) which
}says the ps command yields:
}22189  d1  Is+  0:0.3 /usr/libexec/getty  std.38400  ttyd1
}(for example) and FAQ (11.8) which says you should see
}747  ??  I  0:0.04 /usr/libexec/getty  std.57600  ttyd1.
}Why does one show "??" and the other show "d1" ? Is the fact
}that I was
}seeing the "??" initally linked to my problem?
}
}
}
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Matt's Script Archive (http://www.worldwidemart.com/scripts/) has a lot of
nice perl scripts for stuff like that (for free)...  i'm sure that you
wouldn't have much trouble integrating one of them with majordomo.

peace,
brian


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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, William Wong wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm looking for recommendations on a WWW message board that works together
> with majordomo mailing lists.  Specifically something that will post
> messages to the mailing list "X" if someone posts something in the WWW forum
> "X" and vice versa.
>
> However if none exist, I wouldn't mind settling down on just a good free
> message board.
>
> Thanks,
> - Will
>
>
>
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Hiall,
	As part of my prefered setup I like to have top running on a
console when I boot my home pc. However, my attempts to get this task to
happen have been invain. I tried to convince init to run it via an entry
in /etc/ttys without success ( It would run but not display on the correct
console, or init would respawn on the selected console too fast ).

Next I tried a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which looks like:
#!/bin/sh
/usr/bin/top < /dev/ttyvb > /dev/ttyvb  &
echo -n " top"

Whilst " top" is echoed, the top process seems to be killed by the time I
get to log in.

I believe I can put it in /etc/rc.local but would prefer to avoid this and
get the init script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ to run it. I'm at a loss why
it is killed/terminated. I know the process started as I've checked it's
return value. But why doesn't it run?

Cheers,
	Benjamin




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- This question was typed to the mailing list only lastweek

- There are many free cgi's and php3 script on the internet so you can modifiy
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, William Wong wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I'm looking for recommendations on a WWW message board that works together
> with majordomo mailing lists.  Specifically something that will post
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> "X" and vice versa.
> 
> However if none exist, I wouldn't mind settling down on just a good free
> message board.
> 
> Thanks,
> - Will
> 
> 
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To: 'Philip Hallstrom' <philip@adhesivemedia.com>
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Subject: RE: Windows 2000 co-existing with FreeBSD?
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> Hi -
> 	(I've searched the lists and found nothing so here goes...)
> 
> I've dual booted before with win98/freebsd without problems, but win2k
> seems a bit different...  I've got a 10GB drive with 2GB and 8GB
> partitions (in that order).  I installed win2k on the 8GB 
> part (it also
> installed some files on the 2GB part -- ntldr, etc...).   I 
> did it this
> way to avoid the 8GB boundary.
> 
> According to win2k everything I do is on "D:".

not quite "everything":  you still have the first 2GB under a partition
named "C:" - where ntldr and other winboot stuff resides.

according with my experiences, at the install of an nt/win2k sys, it
try to fill ALL the partitions it can see:  that is, even if you said
it to install on "D:", it still put some files on "C:", because from
there it "knows" how to boot (is that some of the m$soft's policy,
something like "once you installed, you can't get rid of it ?!  I guess
it is ...)

> 
> Today I decided to try installing FreeBSD... so I put in the 
> boot disks
> and re-typed the partition, wrote it, installed the boot 

hehe .. you destroyed it's "C:" partition ... you made it *very* angry :)

> manager.  Then I
> quit cause I needed to get back into windows for work (*sigh*) and
> couldn't.  the boot manager didn't see anything but the 
> FreeBSD partition.
> 
> Well, after mucking around a lot I got rid of the boot 
> partitition, but
> still no windows 2000.  I finally booted the CD in rescue mode and
> formatted C: (2GB) and copied over the handful of files it 
> needed.  Now
> win2k boots.

lucky you :)

> 
> 
> Anyway, a kind of scary experience :)

yeah, i know ...

> 
> 
> So... can someone tell me how to get the two to co-exist?  
> And is it going
> to even be possible to do it this way or am I going to need 
> to put win2k
> first, then freebsd?  Also, once I do this, win2k will think it's on
> "C:" won't it?  What all will that mess up since it now thinks it's on
> "D:"?
> 
> Thanks!
> 


well, i don't see any easy solution for your situation.  you can do 2
things:

1.  backup your data, and reinstall win2k.  make sure that you don't have
more than one "visible" (fat/ntfs) partition when you install it.
you can install win2k first (let's say, a 7.9 GB partition), and FreeBSD
second,
or you can install BSD first, install win2k second, and (re)install some
boot
manager so that you can boot BSD too.

2. get a second harddisk, and install FreeBSD on it.


stefan


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Hi 
Where can I download the new driver for MENTOR TV Tuner and Radio FM card ?
Please reply me by email...
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Hi!

Is there a mail program with which i can use multiple smtp/pop3 adresses 
(it should be a faster program and should not core while scrolling over 
500 msgs - like Mozilla Mail)

any ideas?

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To whoever can help

I have version 4.0-Stable of FreeBSD and apon installing it onto my 500 =
Celeron (Compaq Presario) I encountered a problem
when configuring X through Xfree86 (I think its called) My Display card =
is the following: Intel 810 Chipset Graphics Driver (DC100)
or that is at least what Winblows is telling me at the moment and it =
seems to be runing fine through winblows.

When I got into Xfree86 the resolution was fine and I continued to setup =
my Card by selecting from the list the Intel ??? Generic
since I noticed that my videocard wasn't in the list, I then went to =
setup my screen and selected one of the 1024 x 768 screens
(the one matching my screen) I then went to select a resolution of 1024 =
x 768, when my X server tried to restart it went into the
resolution of 320 x 400, I then tried to use the resolution of 800 x 600 =
and still it went back into 320 x 400. Do you perhaps know
what I'm doing wrong?
This is my first time trying to install FreeBSD, I have managed to =
install quite a few distrobutions of Linux onto my machine, i.e
Linux Mandrake, Corel (yuck) and my GUI / X would run fine. I know that =
its me not understanding this whole Xfree86 setup, so
could you please tell me where Im going wrong?

Thanks, Yours Faithfully
Chris Grant (admin@nemasis.org)

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To whoever can help</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have version 4.0-Stable of FreeBSD =
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perhaps=20
know</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what I'm doing wrong?</FONT></DIV>
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FreeBSD, I=20
have managed to install quite a few distrobutions of Linux onto my =
machine,=20
i.e</FONT></DIV>
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/ X would=20
run fine. I know that its me not understanding this whole Xfree86 setup, =

so</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>could you please tell me where Im going =

wrong?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:06:25PM +0000, Sperber-M wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Is there a mail program with which i can use multiple smtp/pop3 adresses 
> (it should be a faster program and should not core while scrolling over 
> 500 msgs - like Mozilla Mail)
> 
> any ideas?
/usr/ports/mail/mutt 

But this is not GUI program

-- 
Igor' Robul', Unix System Administrator & Programmer @ sanatorium "Raduga", 
Sochi, Russia
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Hello,

I am using FreeBSD to develop an application to measure the performance
of high-speed networks conforming to IETF's IPPM specs.

I have difficulties, however, in understanding and making changes to
"if_fxp.c", the source code of the Intel EtherExpress Fast Ethernet
Driver.

Where can I get adequate help, like design documentation etc ? My main
objective is to be able to associate GPS timestamps to the data packets
right before they are sent on the wire and right after they are received
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** Reply to note from Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:43:37   
+0100 
 
 
> Mmmm.  
> Generally speaking you shouldnt really fiddle in /etc/services.  
> Think of it as a sort of dictionary for applications.  
> The one to stop biff, as I stated before, is to disable comsat  
> in inetd.conf. 
 
No. This way you disable the server, but the client will still try to "biff" you, and that's   
exactly why you will get those "Connection attempt" messages. 
 
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When I run mailq -v I see 5-6 stranded posts. They're there because from 
root I went "mail dnormandin" thinking that for local mail this is all 
that I needed for an address.
Doing "mail dnormandin@odie.rockind.calgary.ab.ca" works.
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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:11:33PM -0500, Jeff Gentry wrote:
> Mostly, but lots of HP-UX as well.
But it is too expensive learn HP-UX at home :-)
Even Solaris will cost you $75 for 8 disk set in USA. Unfortunatelly,
I, for example, can't pay for it in Russia. I have money :-) but I
don't have credit card for example :-)

-- 
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Sochi, Russia
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on a FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #5 dated Fri Nov 24 23:34:19 PST 2000 I was doing
a make world with source dated 11/27/2000 and I got this: And ideas ?

This is a Alphastation BTW.

-------------------------------

TH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/auth-rsa.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/auth-rh-rsa.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/pty.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/log-server.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/login.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/servconf.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/serverloop.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/auth.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/auth1.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/auth2.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/auth-options.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/session.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\" -c
/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login/login_access.c
cc -O -pipe -DLIBWRAP -DHAVE_LOGIN_CAP -DLOGIN_ACCESS
-I/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../usr.bin/login -DSKEY
-I/usr/obj/usr/src/alpha/usr/include
-DXAUTH_PATH=\"/usr/X11R6/bin/xauth\"  -o sshd sshd.o auth-rhosts.o
auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o auth-rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o
servconf.o serverloop.o auth.o auth1.o auth2.o auth-options.o session.o
login_access.o  -lopie -lmd
-L/usr/obj/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../lib/libssh -lssh -lcrypt
-lcrypto -lutil -lz -lwrap
gzip -cn /usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/sshd.8 >
sshd.8.gz
===> etc
===> etc/sendmail
rm -f freebsd.cf
(cd /usr/src/etc/sendmail &&  m4
-D_CF_DIR_=/usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/
/usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4 freebsd.mc) >
freebsd.cf
chmod 444 freebsd.cf
mkdir -p /tmp/install.55896
for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep
install ln make makewhatis mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl  test true uname
wc zic; do  cp `which $prog` /tmp/install.55896;  done
usage: cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f | -i] [-pv] src target
       cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f | -i] [-pv] src1 ... srcN directory
*** Error code 64

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1   

------------------------------------

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, David Talkington wrote:

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> Tom, you mind if I use that one?  Properly attributed, of
> course.  =)

Well Dave,

Go ahead but please don't attribute it to me!  I don't recall where 
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Igor' Robul' wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 02:11:33PM -0500, Jeff Gentry wrote:
> > Mostly, but lots of HP-UX as well.
> But it is too expensive learn HP-UX at home :-)
> Even Solaris will cost you $75 for 8 disk set in USA. Unfortunatelly,
> I, for example, can't pay for it in Russia. I have money :-) but I
> don't have credit card for example :-)

Kak dela Igor?

UnixWare is being open sourced according to friends of mine who work
for SCO.  This is part of the Caldera/SCO merger.  So, definitely,
learning System V at home is soon to be cost effective.

According to press releases SCO will be changing their name to 
Tarantella and hawking their web products whilst Caldera will acquire
the lion's share of the former SCO, including the Server Division
which means OpenServer and UnixWare...

UnixWare is similar to Solaris (using things like ttymon instead of
getty and so on...)  And it has a peppy file system.  In benchtesting
Postgres performance I found UW to be the fastest of those implementations
I had availble to me:  Solaris, FBSD, Slackware, OpenServer and UW.
The other advantage is:  there are lots of things in UW that one finds
in FBSD, only with diff names.  For example: setcolour <-> vidcontrol.
Most probably the renaming occurred during the creation of BSD Lite.

Tom

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Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> types:
> > Other companies that went through the BSD->SysV transition changed the
> > name of the OS: Ultrix turned into OSF (among other things), 
> Well, OSF definitely wasn't System V.  Quite the contrary.

True. OSF required a System III license, and tried to be all things to
all people. It did strange things like making "ps <flags>" use BSD
flags, but "ps -<flags>" use SysV flags. DEC went from there to DEC
Unix (whatever that is), but they *changed the name* when the Unix
they started from became radically different. Which is what Sun failed
to do.

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We've had VERY good luck with VA Linux rack mount systems.  You can use them
with linux installed or they take BSD very well.

http://www.valinux.com/

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coming from a world of proprietary unix and/or apple computers, i am
ignorant of what the best pc hardware choice would be given the following
criteria:

I'd like to install freebsd and run the following services on an eternet 
LAN:

-http
-postfix
-dns
-ftp
-samba (does this even run on freebsd?)

i would like to be able to order this box online.

url suggestions anyone?!

i have looked at the hardware compatibility list, but it is more
modular than what i need.  i'd like to just know of an existing box, 
NOT custom built, from a known vendor (or just widely used in freebsd
community).

many thanks

--Joy



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hi !
i download your last release (4.2) in one iso file

can i mount this file as file system ?
i read about it, but i can' remember how can i do this..

plz help me
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Hello,

    I have a Logicode's 28,8000bps V.34 internal FAX modem, it

works fine under Windows 98 on my computer. Recently I tried to setup

this modem under FreeBSD 3.1, my computer is dual bootable, but can't

get success. I don't know what's the syntex to specify the

modem's speed rate in the kernel configuration and what's the sequence

to make the device nodes, I mean what's the nodes name sio? or cuaa?,

after the kernel compiled and installed. I even read the book called

"The Complete FreeBSD", the FreeBSD Handbook and the manual pages but
I

still don't get it. I want to configure to COM3 and irq4 with my modem

because I see this configuration works fine under Windows 98 on my

computer.

    Another question is how to configure ppp, I tried something

but I don't know whether it is going to work or not. The
authentication

of my ISP uses is login, dytamic addressing is used.

The following are some output from execution of some cammands and

some configurations, if you need more infomation please let me know.

Thanks in advance,

Wei-hua Ni



1 the version of ppp

2 output of dmesg

3 the kernel configuration file(/sys/i386/conf/NOV2000)

4 the result of dialing out

5 output of stty -f /dev/cuaa0 -a

6 output of stty -f /dev/cuaa1 -a

7 output of netstat -r

8 the ppp configuration file(/etc/ppp/ppp.conf)

9 the ppp.linkup file (/etc/ppp/ppp.linkup)

------------------------------------------------------

17 /usr/X11R6/bin> ppp

Working in interactive mode

Using interface: tun0

ppp ON walter> show version

PPP Version 2.0 - $Date: 1998/12/14 01:15:34 $

ppp ON walter>

--------------------------

the output of dmesg as following:

------------------------------------------------------

6 /root> dmesg

Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc.

Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993

The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.

FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE #10: Wed Nov 22 18:43:26 EST 2000

root@walter.at.home:/usr/src/sys/compile/NOV2000

Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz

CPU: AMD-K6tm w/ multimedia extensions (233.03-MHz 586-class CPU)

Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x562 Stepping=2

Features=0x8001bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8,MMX>

real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes)

avail memory = 61952000 (60500K bytes)

Bad DMI table checksum!

Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf0338000.

Probing for devices on PCI bus 0:

chip0: <VIA 82C585 (Apollo VP1/VPX) system controller> rev 0x23 on
pci0.0.0

chip1: <VIA 82C586 PCI-ISA bridge> rev 0x27 on pci0.7.0

ide_pci0: <VIA 82C586x (Apollo) Bus-master IDE controller> rev 0x06 on
pci0.7.1

vga0: <S3 ViRGE DX/GX graphics accelerator> rev 0x01 int a irq 11 on
pci0.9.0

Probing for devices on the ISA bus:

sc0 on isa

sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0>

ed0 not found at 0x280

fe0 not found at 0x300

atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard

atkbd0 irq 1 on isa

sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0

sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa

sio0: type 8250

sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa

sio1: type 16550A

sio2: configured irq 5 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0x10

sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 5 on isa

sio2: type 16550A

fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa

fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold

fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in

wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa

wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): <FUJITSU MPD3084AT>

wd0: 8063MB (16514064 sectors), 16383 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S

wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 on isa

wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): <FUJITSU MPB3032ATU E>

wd2: 3093MB (6335280 sectors), 6704 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S

wdc1: unit 1 (atapi): <MATSHITA CR-585/ZM50>, removable, accel, dma,
iordis

acd0: drive speed 4125KB/sec, 128KB cache

acd0: supported read types: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA

acd0: Audio: play, 256 volume levels

acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray

acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm data disc loaded, unlocked

wt0 not found at 0x300

mcd0 not found at 0x300

matcdc0 not found at 0x230

scd0 not found at 0x230

ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa

ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode

nlpt0: <generic printer> on ppbus 0

nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port

ppi0: <generic parallel i/o> on ppbus 0

plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus 0

ie0: unknown board_id: f000

ie0 not found at 0x300

ep0 not found at 0x300

ex0 not found

le0 not found at 0x300

lnc0 not found at 0x280

ze0 not found at 0x300

zp0 not found at 0x300

cs0 not found at 0x300

adv0 not found at 0x330

bt0 not found at 0x134

aha0 not found at 0x134

vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa

npx0 on motherboard

npx0: INT 16 interface

changing root device to wd0s2a

WARNING: / was not properly dismounted

7 /root>

------------------------------------------------------

my configuration file as following:

#START the configuarion

#

# NOV2000 -- My configuration file, it's copied from GENERIC at the
same dir..

# GENERIC -- Generic machine with WD/AHx/NCR/BTx family disks

#

# For more information read the handbook part System Administration ->

# Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel -> The Configuration File.

# The handbook is available in /usr/share/doc/handbook or online as

# latest version from the FreeBSD World Wide Web server

# <URL:http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/>

#

# An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the

# device lines is present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are

# in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in
LINT.

#

# $Id: NOV2000,v 1.143.2.2 1999/02/15 02:50:07 des Exp $

machine "i386"

cpu "I586_CPU"

ident "NOV2000"

maxusers 5

options "CPU_WT_ALLOC"

options "NO_MEMORY_HOLE"

#options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation. Book Pg.254

options INET #InterNETworking. Book Pg. 256

options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem. Book Pg.267

options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!]

options MFS #Memory Filesystem. Book Pg. 268

options MFS_ROOT #MFS usable as root device, "MFS" req'ed

options NFS #Network Filesystem

options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, "NFS" req'ed

options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem. Book Pg. 267

options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem. Book Pg. 268

options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed

options PROCFS #Process filesystem. Book Pg. 268

options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]. Pg.254

options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device

options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console. Book Pg. 255

options FAILSAFE #Be conservative

options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor. Book Pg. 254

options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor. Book Pg. 254

config kernel root on wd0

# To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed

#options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel

#options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O

# Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown):

#options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs

#options NBUS=4 # number of busses

#options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs

#options NINTR=24 # number of INTs

# Basic Controllers and Devisces. Book Pg. 261

controller isa0

controller eisa0

controller pci0

# Disk controllers. Book Pg. 263

controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2

disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0

# by ni disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1

options "CMD640" # work around CMD640 chip deficiency

# controller wdc0. Book Pg. 263

controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14

disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0

disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1

controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15

disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0

disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1

options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus

options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM

device acd0 #IDE CD-ROM

device wfd0 #IDE Floppy (e.g. LS-120)

# A single entry for any of these controllers (ncr, ahb, ahc) is

# sufficient for any number of installed devices.

controller ncr0

controller ahb0

controller ahc0

controller isp0

# This controller offers a number of configuration options, too many
to

# document here - see the LINT file in this directory and look up the

# dpt0 entry there for much fuller documentation on this.

controller dpt0

###controller adv0 at isa? port ? cam irq ?

controller adw0

###controller bt0 at isa? port ? cam irq ?

###controller aha0 at isa? port ? cam irq ?

#controller aic0 at isa? port 0x340 bio irq 11

controller scbus0

device da0

device sa0

###device pass0

device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows

device wt0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 5 drq 1

device mcd0 at isa? port 0x300 bio irq 10

controller matcd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio

device scd0 at isa? port 0x230 bio

# atkbdc0 controlls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse

controller atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty

device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1

##device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12

##device mse0 at isa? port 0x23c tty irq 5

device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts

# splash screen/screen saver

pseudo-device splash

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console

device sc0 at isa? tty

# Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console
driver

#device vt0 at isa? tty

#options XSERVER # support for X server

#options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor

# If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the
PCVT lines

#options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std

device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX irq 13

#

# Laptop support (see LINT for more options)

#

device apm0 at isa? disable flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management

# PCCARD (PCMCIA) support

#controller card0

#device pcic0 at card?

#device pcic1 at card?

##device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4

##device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3

##device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5

##device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9

device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM3" tty irq 4

device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3

device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5

device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9

###device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM3" flags 0x10 tty irq 4

###device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3

###device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5

###device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9

###device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4

###device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3

###device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5

###device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9

###device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" flags 0x10 tty irq 4

###device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 5

###device sio2 at isa? disable port "IO_COM3" tty irq 5

###device sio3 at isa? disable port "IO_COM4" tty irq 9



# Parallel port

device ppc0 at isa? port? net irq 7

controller ppbus0

device nlpt0 at ppbus?

device plip0 at ppbus?

device ppi0 at ppbus?

#controller vpo0 at ppbus?

# Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not*
alphabetize

# this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed.

# Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See

# revision 1.20 of this file.

device ax0

device de0

device fxp0

device mx0

device pn0

device rl0

device tl0

device tx0

device vr0

device vx0

device wb0

device xl0

device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000

###device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd0000

###device ep0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10

###device ex0 at isa? port? net irq?

device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ?

###device le0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 5 iomem 0xd0000

###device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 10 drq 0

###device ze0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000

###device zp0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq 10 iomem 0xd8000

###device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 net irq ?

pseudo-device loop

pseudo-device ether

pseudo-device sl 1

pseudo-device ppp 1

pseudo-device tun 1

pseudo-device pty 16

pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's

# KTRACE enables the system-call tracing facility ktrace(2).

# This adds 4 KB bloat to your kernel, and slightly increases

# the costs of each syscall.

options KTRACE #kernel tracing

# This provides support for System V shared memory and message queues.

#

options SYSVSHM

options SYSVMSG

#

# Audio drivers: `snd', `sb', `pas', `gus', `pca'

#

# snd: Voxware sound support code

# sb: SoundBlaster PCM - SoundBlaster, SB Pro, SB16, ProAudioSpectrum

# sbxvi: SoundBlaster 16

# sbmidi: SoundBlaster 16 MIDI interface

# pas: ProAudioSpectrum PCM and MIDI

# gus: Gravis Ultrasound - Ultrasound, Ultrasound 16, Ultrasound MAX

# gusxvi: Gravis Ultrasound 16-bit PCM (do not use)

# mss: Microsoft Sound System

# css: Crystal Sound System (CSS 423x PnP)

# sscape: Ensoniq Soundscape MIDI interface

# sscape_mss: Ensoniq Soundscape PCM (requires sscape)

# opl: Yamaha OPL-2 and OPL-3 FM - SB, SB Pro, SB 16, ProAudioSpectrum

# uart: stand-alone 6850 UART for MIDI

# mpu: Roland MPU-401 stand-alone card

#

# Beware! The addresses specified below are also hard-coded in

# i386/isa/sound/sound_config.h. If you change the values here, you

# must also change the values in the include file.

#

# pcm: PCM audio through various sound cards.

#

# This has support for a large number of new audio cards, based on

# CS423x, OPTi931, Yamaha OPL-SAx, and also for SB16, GusPnP.

# For more information about this driver and supported cards,

# see the pcm.4 man page and /sys/i386/isa/snd/CARDS.

#

# The flags of the device tells the device a bit more info about the

# device that normally is obtained through the PnP interface.

# bit 2..0 secondary DMA channel;

# bit 4 set if the board uses two dma channels;

# bit 15..8 board type, overrides autodetection; leave it

# zero if don't know what to put in (and you don't,

# since this is unsupported at the moment...).

#

# This driver will use the new PnP code if it's available.

#

# pca: PCM audio through your PC speaker

#

# If you have a GUS-MAX card and want to use the CS4231 codec on the

# card the drqs for the gus max must be 8 bit (1, 2, or 3).

#

# If you would like to use the full duplex option on the gus, then
define

# flags to be the ``read dma channel''.

#

# options BROKEN_BUS_CLOCK #PAS-16 isn't working and OPTI chipset

# options SYMPHONY_PAS #PAS-16 isn't working and SYMPHONY chipset

# options EXCLUDE_SBPRO #PAS-16

# options SBC_IRQ=5 #PAS-16. Must match irq on sb0 line.

# PAS16: The order of the pas0/sb0/opl0 is important since the

# sb emulation is enabled in the pas-16 attach.

#

# To overide the GUS defaults use:

# options GUS_DMA2

# options GUS_DMA

# options GUS_IRQ

#

# The i386/isa/sound/sound.doc has more information.

# Controls all "VOXWARE" driver sound devices. See Luigi's driver

# below for an alternate which may work better for some cards.

#

controller snd0

device pas0 at isa? port 0x388 irq 10 drq 6

###device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1

###device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 5

device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330

device awe0 at isa? port 0x620

###device gus0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 12 drq 1

#device gus0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 12 drq 1 flags 0x3

###device mss0 at isa? port 0x530 irq 10 drq 1

###device css0 at isa? port 0x534 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x08

###device sscape0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 9 drq 0

###device trix0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 6 drq 0

device sscape_mss0 at isa? port 0x534 irq 5 drq 1

device opl0 at isa? port 0x388

###device mpu0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 6 drq 0

###device uart0 at isa? port 0x330 irq 5

# Luigi's snd code (use INSTEAD of snd0 and all VOXWARE drivers!).

# You may also wish to enable the pnp controller with this, for pnp

# sound cards.

#

#device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0

# Not controlled by `snd'

device pca0 at isa? port "IO_TIMER1" tty

# The `bpfilter' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. Be

# aware of the legal and administrative consequences of enabling this

# option. The number of devices determines the maximum number of

# simultaneous BPF clients programs runnable.

#pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter



# USB support

#controller uhci0

#controller ohci0

#controller usb0

#

# for the moment we have to specify the priorities of the device

# drivers explicitly by the ordering in the list below. This will

# be changed in the future.

#

#device ums0

#device ukbd0

#device ulpt0

#device uhub0

#device ucom0

#device umodem0

#device hid0

#device ugen0

#

#options USB_DEBUG

#options USBVERBOSE

##END the configuarion

-----------------------------

6 /root> ppp

Working in interactive mode

Using interface: tun0

ppp ON walter> dial uoft

ppp ON walter> Warning: Chat script failed

ppp ON walter> q

---------------------------------

22 /root> stty -f /dev/cuaa0 -a

speed 9600 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns;

lflags: -icanon -isig -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoke -echonl

-echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin

-nokerninfo -extproc

iflags: -istrip -icrnl -inlcr -igncr -ixon -ixoff -ixany -imaxbel -ign
brk

-brkint -inpck -ignpar -parmrk

oflags: -opost -onlcr -oxtabs

cflags: cread cs8 -parenb -parodd
hupcl -clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow

-dtrflow -mdmbuf

cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = <undef>;

eol2 = <undef>; erase = ^?; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V;

min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T;

stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W;

23 /root>

-----------------------------

23 /root> stty -f /dev/cuaa1 -a

speed 1200 baud; 0 rows; 0 columns;

lflags: -icanon -isig -iexten -echo -echoe -echok -echoke -echonl

-echoctl -echoprt -altwerase -noflsh -tostop -flusho -pendin

-nokerninfo -extproc

iflags: -istrip -icrnl -inlcr -igncr -ixon -ixoff -ixany -imaxbel
ignbrk

-brkint -inpck ignpar -parmrk

oflags: -opost -onlcr -oxtabs

cflags: cread cs7 -parenb -parodd hupcl
clocal -cstopb -crtscts -dsrflow

-dtrflow -mdmbuf

cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = <undef>;

eol2 = <undef>; erase = ^?; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V;

min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T;

stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W;

24 /root>

----------------------

24 /root>netstat -r

Routing tables

Internet:

Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire

localhost localhost UH 3 8 lo0

25 /root>

--------------------------

the following is my ppp configuration:

#################################################################

#

# PPP Sample Configuration File

#

# Originally written by Toshiharu OHNO

#

# $Id: ppp.conf.sample,v 1.33 1998/10/03 13:12:14 brian Exp $

#

#################################################################

# This file is separated into sections. Each section is named with

# a label starting in column 0 and followed directly by a ``:''. The

# section continues until the next section. Blank lines and lines

# beginning with ``#'' are ignored.

#

# Lines beginning with "!include" will ``include'' another file. You

# may want to ``!include ~/.ppp.conf'' for backwards compatibility.

#

# Default setup. Always executed when PPP is invoked.

# This section is *not* loaded by the ``load'' or ``dial'' commands.

#

# This is the best place to specify your modem device, it's DTR rate,

# and any logging specification. Logging specs should be done first

# so that subsequent commands are logged.

#

#default:

# set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command

# set device /dev/cuaa1

# set speed 115200

# set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK
ATE1Q0 OK# \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT"

default:

set device /dev/cuaa1

## set speed 57600

set speed 28800

set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK
ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT"

## set log -command +tcp/ip

## set reconnect 3 20

# Client side PPP

#

# Although the PPP protocol is a peer to peer protocol, we normally

# consider the side that makes the connection as the client and the

# side that receives the connection as the server. Authentication

# is required by the server either using a unix-style login proceedure

# or by demanding PAP or CHAP authentication from the client.

#

# An on demand example where we have dynamic IP addresses:

# If the peer assigns us an arbitrary IP (most ISPs do this) and we

# can't predict what their IP will be either, take a wild guess at

# some IPs that you can't currently route to.

#

# The /0 bit in "set ifaddr" says that we insist on 0 bits of the

# specified IP actually being correct, therefore, the other side can
assign

# any IP numbers.

#

# The forth arg to "set ifaddr" makes us send "0.0.0.0" as our
requested

# IP number, forcing the peer to make the decision.

#

# This entry also works with static IP numbers or when not in -auto
mode.

# The ``add'' line adds a `sticky' default route that will be updated
if

# and when any of the IP numbers are changed in IPCP negotiations.

# The "set ifaddr" is required in -auto mode.

#

# Finally, the ``enable dns'' bit tells ppp to ask the peer for the

# nameserver addresses that should be used. This isn't always
supported

# by the other side, but if it is, /etc/resolv.conf will automatically
be

# updated.

#

#pmdemand:

# set phone 1234567

# set login "ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: ppp word: ppp"

# set timeout 120

# set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0

# add default HISADDR

# enable dns

uoft:

set phone 1234567

set login "TIMEOUT 3 login:-\\r-login: ppp word: qqq"

set timeout 120

set ifaddr 0 0

add 0 0 HISADDR

disable chap

disable pap

# When we want to use PAP or CHAP instead of using a unix-style login

# proceedure, we do the following. Note, the peer suggests whether we

# should send PAP or CHAP. By default, we send whatever we're asked
for.

#

##PAPorCHAPpmdemand:

## set phone 1234567

## set login

## set authname MyName

## set authkey MyKey

## set timeout 120

## set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0

## add default HISADDR

## enable dns

# On demand dialup example with static IP addresses:

# Here, the local side uses 192.244.185.226 and the remote side

# uses 192.244.176.44.

#

# # ppp -auto ondemand

#

# With static IP numbers, our setup is similar to dynamic:

# Remember, ppp.linkup is searched for a "192.244.176.44" label, then

# a "ondemand" label, and finally the "MYADDR" label.

#

##ondemand:

## set phone 1234567

## set login "ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: ppp word: ppp"

## set timeout 120

## set ifaddr 192.244.185.226 192.244.176.44

## add default HISADDR

## enable dns

# Example segments

#

# The following lines may be included as part of your configuration

# section and aren't themselves complete. They're provided as examples

# of how to achieve different things.

##examples:

# Multi-phone example. Numbers separated by a : are used sequentially.

# Numbers separated by a | are used if the previous dial or login
script

# failed. Usually, you will prefer to use only one of | or :, but both

# are allowed.

#

## set phone 12345678|12345679:12345670|12345671

#

# Ppp can accept control instructions from the ``pppctl'' program.

# First, you must set up your control socket. It's safest to use

# a UNIX domain socket, and watch the permissions:

#

## set server /var/tmp/internet MySecretPassword 0177

#

# Although a TCP port may be used if you want to allow control

# connections from other machines:

#

## set server 6670 MySecretpassword

#

# If you don't like ppp's builtin chat, use an external one:

#

## set login "\"!chat \\\\-f /etc/ppp/ppp.dev.chat\""

#

# If we have a ``strange'' modem that must be re-initialized when we

# hangup:

#

## set hangup "\"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATZ OK"

#

# To adjust logging withouth blasting the setting in default:

#

## set log -command +tcp/ip

#

# To see log messages on the screen in interactive mode:

#

## set log local LCP IPCP CCP

#

# If you're seeing a lot of magic number problems and failed
connections,

# try this (see the man page):

#

## set openmode active 5

#

# For noisy lines, we may want to reconnect (up to 20 times) after
loss

# of carrier, with 3 second delays between each attempt:

#

## set reconnect 3 20

#

# When playing server for M$ clients, tell them who our NetBIOS name

# servers are:

#

## set nbns 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2

#

# Inform the client if they ask for our DNS IP numbers:

#

## enable dns

#

# If you don't want to tell them what's in your /etc/resolf.conf file

# with `enable dns', override the values:

#

## set dns 10.0.0.1 10.0.0.2

#

# If we're using the -alias switch, redirect ftp and http to an
internal

# machine:

#

## alias port 10.0.0.2:ftp ftp

## alias port 10.0.0.2:http http

#

# or don't trust the outside at all

#

## alias deny_incoming yes

#

# I trust user brian to run ppp, so this goes in the `default'
section:

#

## allow user brian

#

# But label `internet' contains passwords that even brian can't have,
so

# I empty out the user access list in that section so that only root
can

# have access:

#

## allow users

#

# I also may wish to set up my ppp login script so that it asks the
client

# for the label they wish to use. I may only want user ``dodgy'' to
access

# their own label in direct mode:

#

##dodgy:

## allow user dodgy

## allow mode direct

#

# If we don't want ICMP and DNS packets to keep the connection alive:

#

## set filter alive 0 deny icmp

## set filter alive 1 deny udp src eq 53

## set filter alive 2 deny udp dst eq 53

## set filter alive 3 permit 0 0

#

# And we don't want ICMPs to cause a dialup:

#

## set filter dial 0 deny icmp

## set filter dial 1 permit 0 0

#

# or any TCP SYN or RST packets (badly closed TCP channels):

#

## set filter dial 2 deny 0 0 tcp syn finrst

#

# Once the line's up, allow connections for ident (113), telnet (23),

# ftp (20 & 21), DNS (53), my place of work (192.244.191.0/24),

# ICMP (ping) and traceroute (>33433).

#

# Anything else is blocked by default

#

## set filter in 0 permit tcp dst eq 113

## set filter out 0 permit tcp src eq 113

## set filter in 1 permit tcp src eq 23 estab

## set filter out 1 permit tcp dst eq 23

## set filter in 2 permit tcp src eq 21 estab

## set filter out 2 permit tcp dst eq 21

## set filter in 3 permit tcp src eq 20 dst gt 1023

## set filter out 3 permit tcp dst eq 20

## set filter in 4 permit udp src eq 53

## set filter out 4 permit udp dst eq 53

## set filter in 5 permit 192.244.191.0/24 0/0

## set filter out 5 permit 0/0 192.244.191.0/24

## set filter in 6 permit icmp

## set filter out 6 permit icmp

## set filter in 7 permit udp dst gt 33433

## set filter out 7 permit udp dst gt 33433



# Server side PPP

# If you want the remote system to authenticate itself, you insist

# that the peer uses CHAP (or PAP) with the "enable" keyword. Both
CHAP and

# PAP are disabled by default (we usually only "enable" one of them if
the

# other side is dialing into our server).

# When the peer authenticates itself, we use ppp.secret for
verification.

#

# Ppp is launched with:

# # ppp -direct CHAPserver

#

# Note: We can supply a third field in ppp.secret specifying the IP
address

# for that user. We can even specify a forth field to specify the

# ppp.link{up,down} label to use.

#

##CHAPserver:

## enable chap

## enable proxy

## set ifaddr 192.244.176.44 292.244.184.31

## accept dns

# If we wish to act as a server, allowing PAP access according to

# accounts in /etc/passwd, we do this (Without `enable passwdauth',

# you may still enter ``*'' as the users password in ppp.secret and

# ppp will look it up in the passwd database. This is useful if you

# need to assign a special label or IP number or range):

#

##PAPServerwithPASSWD:

## enable pap

## enable passwdauth

## enable proxy

## set ifaddr 192.244.176.44 292.244.184.31

## accept dns



# Example to connect using a null-modem cable:

# The important thing here is to allow the lqr packets on both sides.

# Without them enabled, we can't tell if the line's dropped - there

# should always be carrier on a direct connection.

# Here, the server sends lqr's every 10 seconds and quits if five in a

# row fail.

#

# Make sure you don't have "deny lqr" in your default: on the client !

# If the peer denies LQR, we still send ECHO LQR packets at the given

# lqrperiod interval (ppp-style-pings).

#

##direct-client:

## set dial ""

## set line /dev/cuaa0

## set sp 115200

## set timeout 900

## set lqrperiod 10

## set log Phase Chat LQM

## set login "ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: ppp word: ppp
HELLO"

## set ifaddr 10.0.4.2 10.0.4.1

## enable lqr

## accept lqr


##direct-server:

## set timeout 0

## set lqrperiod 10

## set log Phase LQM

## set ifaddr 10.0.4.1 10.0.4.2

## enable lqr

## accept lqr



# Example to connect via compuserve (who insist on 7 bits even parity

# during the chat phase).

#

##compuserve:

## set phone 1234567

## set parity even

## set login "TIMEOUT 10 \"\" \"\" Name: CIS ID:
99999,9999/go:pppconnect \

## word: XXXXXXXX"

## set timeout 300

## set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0

## delete ALL

## add default HISADDR



# Example for PPP over TCP.

# We assume that inetd on tcpsrv.mynet has been

# configured to run "ppp -direct tcp-server" when it gets a connection
on

# port 1234. Read the man page for further details

#

# Note, we assume we're using a binary-clean connection. If something

# such as `rlogin' is involved, you may need to ``set escape 0xff''

#

##tcp-client:

## set device tcpsrv.mynet:1234

## set dial

## set login

## set ifaddr 10.0.5.1 10.0.4.1 255.255.255.0

##tcp-server:

## set ifaddr 10.0.4.1 10.0.5.1 255.255.255.0

# If you want to test ppp, do it through a loopback:

#

# Requires a line in /etc/services:

# ppploop 6671/tcp # loopback ppp daemon

#

# and a line in /etc/inetd.conf:

# ppploop stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/ppp ppp -direct loop-in

#

##loop:

## set timeout 0

## set log phase chat connect lcp ipcp command

## set device localhost:ppploop

## set dial

## set login

## set ifaddr 127.0.0.2 127.0.0.3

## set server /var/tmp/loop "" 0177


##loop-in:

## set timeout 0

## set log phase lcp ipcp command

## allow mode direct

# If you're going to create a tunnel through a public network, your
VPN

# should be set up something like this:

#

# /etc/ppp/secure (which should be executable) says:

# #! /bin/sh

# exec ssh whatevermachine /usr/sbin/ppp -direct loop-in

#

##sloop:

## load loop

## set device !/etc/ppp/secure

# If you wish to connect to a server that will dial back *without*
using

# the ppp callback facility (rfc1570), take advantage of the fact that

# ppp doesn't look for carrier 'till `set login' is complete:

#

# Here, we expect the server to say DIALBACK then disconnect after

# we've authenticated ourselves. When this has happened, we wait

# 60 seconds for a RING.

#

##dialback:

## set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" ATZ
OK-ATZ-OK \

## ATDT\\T TIMEOUT 60 CONNECT"

## set login "TIMEOUT 5 ogin:--ogin: ppp word: ppp TIMEOUT 15 DIALBACK
\

## \"\" NO\\sCARRIER \"\" TIMEOUT 60 RING ATA CONNECT"

# Alternatively, if the peer is using the PPP callback protocol, use

# normal dial and login scripts and add

#

## set callback auth cbcp e.164 1234567

## set cbcp 1234567

# If we're running a ppp server that wants to only call back microsoft

# clients on numbers configured in /etc/ppp/ppp.secret (the 5th
field):

#

## set callback cbcp

## set cbcp

## set log +cbcp

## set redial 3 1

## set device /dev/cuaa0

## set speed 115200

## set dial "TIMEOUT 10 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK ATDT\\T CONNECT"

# Or if we want to allow authenticated clients to specify their own

# callback number, use this ``set cbcp'' line instead:

#

## set cbcp *

# Multilink mode is available (rfc1990).

# To enable multilink capabilities, you must specify a MRRU. 1500 is

# a reasonable value. To create new links, use the ``clone'' command

# to duplicate an existing link. If you already have more than one

# link, you must specify which link you wish to run the command on via

# the ``link'' command.

#

# You can now ``dial'' specific links, or even dial all links at the

# same time. The `dial' command may also be prefixed with a specific

# link that should do the dialing.

#

##mloop:

## load loop

## set mode interactive

## set mrru 1500

## clone 1 2 3

## link deflink remove

# dial

# link 2 dial

# link 3 dial

##mloop-in:

## set timeout 0

## set log tun phase

## allow mode direct

## set mrru 1500

-------------------------------

######################################################################
###

#

# Example of ppp.linkup file

#

# This file is checked when ppp establishes a connection.

# ppp searches the labels in this file as follows:

#

# 1) The label that matches the IP number assigned to our side.

#

# 2) The label specified on the command line to ppp.

#

# 3) If no label has been found, use MYADDR if it exists.

#

#

# $Id: ppp.linkup.sample,v 1.14 1998/05/21 21:45:47 brian Exp $

#

######################################################################
###

# It is no longer necessary to re-add the default route here as our

# ppp.conf route is `sticky' (see the man page).

# If you're into sound effects when the link comes up, you can run

# ``auplay'' (assuming NAS is installed and configured).

#

MYADDR:

## !bg /usr/X11R6/bin/auplay /etc/ppp/linkup.au

delete ALL

add 0 0 HISDDR

# If we've got 192.244.176.32 as our address, then regard peer as a
gateway

# to 192.244.176.0 network. This may also be done in ppp.conf instead.

#

##192.244.176.32:

## add 192.244.176.0 0 HISADDR

#You may want to execute a script after connecting. This script can do

# nice things such as kick off "sendmail -q", "popclient my.isp" and

# "slurp -d news". It can be passed MYADDR, HISADDR and INTERFACE

# as arguments too - useful for informing a DNS of your assigned IP.

#

# You may also want some sound effects....

#

pmdemand:

!bg /etc/ppp/ppp.etherup.pmdemand

! sh -c "cat /etc/ppp/linkup.au >/dev/audio"

# If your minimum call charge is 5 minutes, you may as well stay on

# the line for that amount of time. If we want a 60 second subsequent

# timeout, set your timeout to 300 in ppp.conf and then do this:

#

min5minutes:

!bg sh -c "sleep 240; pppctl -p mypassword 3000 set timeout 60"

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where is the FreeBSD password shadow file at?  isn't it generally in
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:46:54AM -0600, brian william wolter wrote:
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Try /etc/master.passwd

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Doug Young <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au> types:
> "man ssh" says "The user creates his/her RSA key pair blah blah blah 
> ..... then copy the identity.pub to some directory on
> the remote machine."  Now thats all very well if the remote machine
> happens to be another unix box, but where on earth does
> one find a "HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys" file or directory in a Windows
> system ????????

That will depend on TERATERM. Check it's documentation.

SSH can be used in a mode that doesn't require user keys (just host
keys) on both ends. It sets up an encrypted channel and you do the
password query/response over that. You should get that if you don't
have a key. I don't use TERATERM on Windows; I use PuTTY, and just
installing then running it gets that mode.

Oh yeah - please set your mailer to *not* send HTML to this list.

	<mike

> I get a "fatal: Timeout before authentication for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" =
> message from FreeBSD, but I guess thats just the FreeBSD=20
> system spitting the dummy at a key it doesn't like.
> 
> Would someone please enlighten me on just how I go about setting up keys =
> that are acceptable to both FreeBSD & Windows,=20
> and if theres any sort of hocus pocus is involved in getting the key/s =
> from unix to windows without changing the things.
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> most=20
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>new things in unix&nbsp;the =
> documentation quite=20
> sparse as far as explaining </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>"exactly_how_do_I_do_this_from_scratch_when_I_&nbsp;only_first=20
> _stumbled_across_ the beast_an_hour_ago"</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've installed "TeraTerm" in the =
> Windows systems,=20
> (complete with the SSH patch), and its sorta talking to unix (its got no =
> 
> problem</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with regular telnet =
> login),&nbsp;</FONT><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2>but I've obviously not understood something =
> </FONT><FONT=20
> face=3DArial size=3D2>about this private / public keys stuff because it =
> refuses to=20
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>accept either&nbsp;the <FONT =
> face=3DArial=20
> size=3D2>private </FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
> face=3DArial size=3D2>or=20
> the public keys that I copied from the FreeBSD /home/username=20
> directory.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"man ssh" says "The user creates =
> his/her RSA key=20
> pair blah blah blah &nbsp;..... then copy the identity.pub to some =
> directory on=20
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the remote machine."&nbsp; Now thats =
> all very well=20
> if the remote machine happens to be another unix box, but&nbsp;where on =
> earth=20
> does</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>one find a "HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys" =
> file or=20
> directory in a </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Windows system =
> ????????=20
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get a "fatal: Timeout before =
> authentication for=20
> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" message from FreeBSD,&nbsp;but I guess thats just the =
> FreeBSD=20
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>system spitting </FONT><FONT =
> face=3DArial size=3D2>the=20
> dummy at a key it doesn't like.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would someone please enlighten me on =
> just how I go=20
> about setting up keys that are acceptable to both FreeBSD &amp; Windows, =
> 
> </FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and if theres any&nbsp;sort of hocus =
> pocus is=20
> involved in getting the key/s from unix to windows without changing the=20
> things.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> 
> - ------=_NextPart_000_0921_01C05959.1C090B10--
> 
> 
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/etc/master.passwd

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, brian william wolter wrote:

> where is the FreeBSD password shadow file at?  isn't it generally in
> /etc/shadow?
> 
> peace,
> brian
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Bill Woods wrote:
> 
> on a FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #5 dated Fri Nov 24 23:34:19 PST 2000 I was doing
> a make world with source dated 11/27/2000 and I got this: And ideas ?
> 
> This is a Alphastation BTW.
> 
> -------------------------------
<snip>
> auth-passwd.o auth-rsa.o auth-rh-rsa.o pty.o log-server.o login.o
> servconf.o serverloop.o auth.o auth1.o auth2.o auth-options.o session.o
> login_access.o  -lopie -lmd
> -L/usr/obj/usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../lib/libssh -lssh -lcrypt
> -lcrypto -lutil -lz -lwrap
> gzip -cn /usr/src/secure/usr.sbin/sshd/../../../crypto/openssh/sshd.8 >
> sshd.8.gz
> ===> etc
> ===> etc/sendmail
> rm -f freebsd.cf
> (cd /usr/src/etc/sendmail &&  m4
> -D_CF_DIR_=/usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/
> /usr/src/etc/sendmail/../../contrib/sendmail/cf/m4/cf.m4 freebsd.mc) >
> freebsd.cf
> chmod 444 freebsd.cf

End of Buildworld ^^^^

Start of Installworld 

> mkdir -p /tmp/install.55896
> for prog in [ awk cat chflags chmod chown date echo egrep find grep
> install ln make makewhatis mtree mv perl rm sed sh sysctl  test true uname
> wc zic; do  cp `which $prog` /tmp/install.55896;  done
> usage: cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f | -i] [-pv] src target
>        cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-f | -i] [-pv] src1 ... srcN directory
> *** Error code 64

The only time I ever got an error code 64 was when i didn't follow
/usr/src/UPDATING and build and install a proper kernel before I did
the installworld. In this case, it looks like you weren't using the
csh to do the build.

Kent

> 
> Stop in /usr/src.
> *** Error code 1
> 
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<snippety snip> (to avoid annoyance..

We are getting quite a history lesson in UNIX going here .. :)
Thanks for clarifying the Sun/Solaris names.
Hey I work on Solaris every day, I gave up trying to understand
Sun's mmm.. what shall we call it.. nameing conventions.

Is Bill Joy still meditating in the mountains ?

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I don't understand. You run XF86Setup ... And What happened?
Did you installed XF86_VGA16 and XF86_SVGA?


On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Nader Turki wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.
> Maybe one of you can help me.
> I reinstalled FreeBSD few times and couldn't get it to work.
> You see, every time i try the XFree86Setup. I wanna try the second time, it
> fails :(
> Anyway,
> I have this Card:
> Cardexpert TM64 Nvidia Riva TNT2 4xAGP 32MB VGA
> 
> And I think my other Problem is the Monitor, It's a ViewSonic PF970.
> 
> Hope one of you guys can help me and tell me which settings should I choose.
> Now I feel stupid 'cause I sold my old PC. I had an old 8MB card on it. I
> used to SuperProbe and use the XF86Config script.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Nader
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Hi all,

I will be reinstalling 4.2 from the CDs when they come out.  Nothing major
is wrong, except a problem with applix office, so I thought I would try a
fresh re-install and see if that fixes it.  Otherwise, the system runs
great. 

As usual, I am apprehensive because I have my system dialed in perfectly,
just how I like it.  I have /var and /home symlinked to /usr, and / is in
its own slice.  Can I just make 2 floppies and perform a scratch reinstall
without blowing away /home?  I will do a backup of course, but it would be
nice to not have to repeat all of those little annoying details of
installing from scratch.  Unless sysinstall has become the work of art we
have all been looking forward to, and can do a lot of this for me.  :)

Jonathon
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Hi there,
I hope I can get answ. rite a way

I'm writing a script that enable me to adduser from web, for that i used the
Crypt-passwd MD5 and MD5 (perl module) to do that, but still i guess i might
had some problem with the salt.
cause after i generate the passwd from the Crypt MD5 and replace my
/etc/passwd with that password, it's went wrong password

sorry for the bad english
but still can any one help me with it

Thanks in Advance

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 02:51:45AM -0600, Jeff Blaufuss wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good bootable SCSI card that works with FreeBSD? 
> I've been looking at an Adaptec AHA-2930U, but I don't know if it's
> compatable with FreeBSD or not.

Other than "bootable" you don't say much about what your goals are.
The 2930 is an ultra/narrow card selling in the $90 to $100 range.

Several years before Adaptec retailed the 2930 they OEM'ed the
card to a Mac clone maker by the name of Power Computing. That
card looks like the current card but isn't. At the least the
OEM card lacks FLASH BIOS and what it has is PowerPC Mac
specific. I have one. Works well in my PowerMac. Will probably
be the next thing I replace as Darwin and MacOS X will not
support it and a copy protected program I have won't install
(but will run if installed on another computer and moved.)

The Symbios/LSI/NCR based cards are usually a good value but not
in the top 1% as the top Adaptec cards (the 2930 is not a top Adaptec
card). http://www.centrix-intl.com/ has fast/wide Symbios SYM 8251S
cards for $39. The listing says its Ultra but its not. Have 
purchased from these people before and not had any disappointments.

My home system uses the Ultra version of this card (was $20 more
when they had them) but only a Fast/Wide 9G HD. Tempted to buy
some of the above while the gettin' is good.

Hmm, if I can get a Mac BIOS for that card, and if Darwin will
recognize it (won't recognize my 2930)...

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atom1 wrote:

> Hello there,
> 
> I would like to know what filesystem freebsd uses and how to set up my 
> partitions
> 
> for example windows uses fat32 dos fat16 and linux ext.2 or reiser fs.
> 
> I own partition magic 4.0. so installing up would be really simple 
> 
> thanks in advance
> 
> jeroen van maanen
> 
FreeBSD utilizes the Berkeley Fast Filesystem (FFS), a.k.a. ufs.
It was not supported by Partition Magic last time I checked.

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> Can anyone recommend a good bootable SCSI card that works with FreeBSD? 
> I've been looking at an Adaptec AHA-2930U, but I don't know if it's
> compatable with FreeBSD or not.

	I'm running an ASUS 875 and a Tekram 390F (?) both of which were
much cheaper then the equivilant Adaptec card, and both of which run a lot
better. :) 

					Rick

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From: Bernie Doehner <bad@wireless.net>
To: Y u r i <ure@home.com>
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Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Kingston TurboChip 400 K6-II 400 Mhz. upgrade CPU?
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Thanks for your response. If this was stricly a FreeBSD box, I'd agree
100% since BSD doesn't have a fit when you change hardware on it,
and wouldn't even have considered the Kingston TurboChip. 

But since Winblows is a requirement on this box, and Winblows blows big
time when you change motherboard hardware on it, it would mean I'd have to
reinstall winblows from scratch.

Setting aside my strong dislike for Winblows, there is also the time
factor involved in reinstalling everything from scratch. It literaly took
me a full week (40+ hours) to get Winblows fully installed and mostly 
working. Most of this time spent chasing an obscure Win98 related bug
which didn't let me run two IDE channels at the same time (and still
doesn't).

Bernie

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Y u r i wrote:

> Hello Bernie,
> 
> Monday, November 27, 2000, you wrote:
> 
> BD> I am contemplating buying a Kingston Turbochip 400 upgrade CPU (that is
> BD> based on a K6-II 400 MHz. core), for a dual OS (Windows/FreeBSD) box
> BD> that currently is running a K6 233 MHz. with an Abit PX5 motherboard
> BD> (so that I don't have to reinstall Winblows, because of new motherboard
> BD> hardware).
> 
> Sorry, not an answer to your question exactly, somewhat relevant info:
> 
> K6-3 333 is $29 at Fry's, if your mobo supports it. It's a
> "non-official" one, AMD does not list it, but it's real AMD K6-III
> chip with 3.5 multiplier on 95 MHZ bus. It does not sweat 100 Mhz at
> all :) and is very stable at x4. I just moved my multi OS hard drive
> from older 266 P-II on PD440FX - it was too expensive to expand old
> EDO RAM. They have a bundle at Fry's: 100 bucks gets you Soyo mobo
> SY-5EMA+V1.1 (still in production), the K6-3 333 and an ATX case with
> 250 W PSU, plus a heatsink with a fan. mobo has three RAM banks , each
> accepts up to 256 MB sticks of SDRAM, high quality(?) 256 sticks are
> 154 locally and 128s are $64.   Mobo does three layered caching
> automagically.
> 
> (high quality for me is when you can mix 128/100 and 256/133 sticks
> with AMD being overclocked a bit and AGP is not sweating either)
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Y
> 
> 
> 



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ah... thanks.


peace,
brian


		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 simond@irrelevant.org wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 08:46:54AM -0600, brian william wolter wrote:
> > where is the FreeBSD password shadow file at?  isn't it generally in
> > /etc/shadow?
>
> Try /etc/master.passwd
>
> --
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i have an orbs drive i setup to use as back ups.  works great, just make
sure the media is in the drive before you boot up

- Dan

On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Wahyudi Gunawan wrote:

> All,
> 
> Just curious, Is ORB is supported in FreeBSD or can
> run with FreeBSD?
> 
> I am very good with SCSI peripherals so please forgive
> me if this is a stupid question
> 
> Thanks in advance
> -WG
> 
> =====
> ======================
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> wgunawan92@yahoo.com
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I have searched a bit in the archive and could not find an explanation of
how to get through a Microsloth Proxy from my FreeBSD 4.1 Release box. It
seems that Socks is available for the FBSD client to use, but when I try to
access any web page, it tries to download the web page rather than load it
to the browser. I have tried Netscrape and the KDE browsers.

I seem to recall there was a little commentary a while back. Can someone
shed a little light on this for me?

Thanks much
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all
please check out http://potomacanglers.com/freebsd for message board as
well..  trying to get good help site up and going...  been up for 2 days and
looking pretty good so far..
lates

diesel

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Meyer
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Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> types:
>  > > What's a .ico file?
>  > A Windows Icon file. IE5 tries to get favicon.ico from a site every
>  > time a user bookmarks a site. I wanted something to get the cruft out
>  > of my log files, and figured I might as well be-daemon the IE users
>  > while I was at it.
> :-)  Excellent!  Been wondering for ages what to do about these ..
> Waiting on the 16 x 16 fempto-Chuck artistes with bated breath ..

Well, you can look at my attempt (note: I am *not* an artist!) by
grabbing <URL: http://www.mired.org/favicon.ico >.

	<mike
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> hi !
> i download your last release (4.2) in one iso file
>
> can i mount this file as file system ?
> i read about it, but i can' remember how can i do this..
>
> plz help me
> thanx
>
>

The .iso file is an image that is meant to be burned to a CD.  I don't know
of any way to use it other than to burn it to a CD.

Josh

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Close" <linux@senet.com.au>
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> Hiall,
> As part of my prefered setup I like to have top running on a
> console when I boot my home pc. However, my attempts to get this task to
> happen have been invain. I tried to convince init to run it via an entry
> in /etc/ttys without success ( It would run but not display on the correct
> console, or init would respawn on the selected console too fast ).
>
> Next I tried a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which looks like:
> #!/bin/sh
> /usr/bin/top < /dev/ttyvb > /dev/ttyvb  &
> echo -n " top"
>
> Whilst " top" is echoed, the top process seems to be killed by the time I
> get to log in.
>
> I believe I can put it in /etc/rc.local but would prefer to avoid this and
> get the init script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ to run it. I'm at a loss why
> it is killed/terminated. I know the process started as I've checked it's
> return value. But why doesn't it run?
>
> Cheers,
> Benjamin
>
>
I don't know of any good answers to your question, but here is a solution
that would probably work....even if it is ineligant.  You could write a
shell script to see if top is running and then start top if it is
not....then add that as a cron job that runs every minute or so.

Josh

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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> * Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001127 19:31] wrote:
...
> > My question is: How do I detect that the socket buffer has sufficiently
> > emptied to resume sending? I tried setting the SO_SNDLOWAT to my message
> > size and checking with select(2) if the socket is writable. However,
> > select(2) always returns telling me it is, even though a following send(2)
> > results in ENOBUFS. This may in fact be a bug in FreeBSD, since the
> > setsockopt(2) man page seems to indicate that this should work:
> 
> ENOBUFS doesn't indicate that the socketbuffer is full
> 
>      55 ENOBUFS No buffer space available.  An operation on a socket or pipe
>              was not performed because the system lacked sufficient buffer
>              space or because a queue was full.
> 
> opposed to:
> 
>      35 EAGAIN Resource temporarily unavailable.  This is a temporary condi-
>              tion and later calls to the same routine may complete normally.
> 
> but when you xref against write(2) you'll see:
> 
>      [EAGAIN]           The file was marked for non-blocking I/O, and no data
>                         could be written immediately.
> 
> What you need to do is increase the amount of bufferspace available in
> the kernel because your program is exhausing all the network resources
> available to it.
> 
> Raise maxusers or nmbclusters.

I am running this with maxusers=128, and as far as I can tell, mbufs are
not the problem:

[root@hbo: /nfs/ruby/larse/projects/thesis/bin] netstat -m
139/2192/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
        132 mbufs allocated to data
        7 mbufs allocated to packet headers
128/1166/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
2880 Kbytes allocated to network (37% of mb_map in use)
0 requests for memory denied
0 requests for memory delayed
0 calls to protocol drain routines

Looking at the send(2) man page, I agree that ENOBUFS doesn't mean that the
send buffer is full:

 [ENOBUFS]     The system was unable to allocate an internal buffer.
               The operation may succeed when buffers become avail-
               able.

 [ENOBUFS]     The output queue for a network interface was full.
               This generally indicates that the interface has
               stopped sending, but may be caused by transient con-
               gestion.

However, since a too low maxusers is not the problem, I'm still looking for
a way of detecting when to resume sending after ENOBUFS, without
spinning...

Thanks,
Lars
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Subject: Re: send(2) and resuming after ENOBUFS
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* Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001128 09:41] wrote:
> Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> I am running this with maxusers=128, and as far as I can tell, mbufs are
> not the problem:
> 
> [root@hbo: /nfs/ruby/larse/projects/thesis/bin] netstat -m
> 139/2192/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
>         132 mbufs allocated to data
>         7 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> 128/1166/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> 2880 Kbytes allocated to network (37% of mb_map in use)
> 0 requests for memory denied
> 0 requests for memory delayed
> 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> 
> Looking at the send(2) man page, I agree that ENOBUFS doesn't mean that the
> send buffer is full:
> 
>  [ENOBUFS]     The system was unable to allocate an internal buffer.
>                The operation may succeed when buffers become avail-
>                able.
> 
>  [ENOBUFS]     The output queue for a network interface was full.
>                This generally indicates that the interface has
>                stopped sending, but may be caused by transient con-
>                gestion.
> 
> However, since a too low maxusers is not the problem, I'm still looking for
> a way of detecting when to resume sending after ENOBUFS, without
> spinning...

You'll have to spin, or at least call nanosleep or something to back
off for a bit.  Are you getting full network utilization even when
getting ENOBUFS?  Like ~11MB/sec on 100mbit full duplex?  Or are
you falling short of full throughput?  What network card are you
using?

-- 
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"I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk."


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Hi Nader,

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Nader Turki wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
> I reinstalled FreeBSD few times and couldn't get it to work.

You don't need to reinstall to change XFree settings.  Just run
/stand/sysinstall from root and look for the options for Xfree
configuration.

> I have this Card:
> Cardexpert TM64 Nvidia Riva TNT2 4xAGP 32MB VGA

	I have that exact card but with 16MB memory.  The M64 is actually 
different than the ultra vanta, but my dmesg also incorrectly says ultra
vanta. I can only get the card working with 800x600 and 16 bit color.
XFree86 setup, the graphical program only works in that setting for me.
Try picking only that combination in Xfree86setup then test it.  If not,
try different combinations one at a time.

> And I think my other Problem is the Monitor, It's a ViewSonic PF970.

	I believe the monitor should work perfectly as long as you know
the exact vertical and horizontal scan rate ranges for it.  Somebody
correct me if I am wrong, but I hope that is the way it is.

> Hope one of you guys can help me and tell me which settings should I choose.
> Now I feel stupid 'cause I sold my old PC. I had an old 8MB card on it. I
> used to SuperProbe and use the XF86Config script.

	Apparently nvidia does not do a good job of giving out
documentation to their cards so the drivers for their cards are not the
best.  Possibly as a result, superprobe does not work on this card.  

	Does anybody have Xfree 3.3.6 with this card running at a higher
resolution?  I was once able to get a higher resolution to run using the 
text configure program instead of the graphical setup.(I think
1280x1024) but the edges were warped beyond what my monitor could adjust
for (it has a lot of adjustments for shape and things.)
	The monitor is a Proview 19inch that I got for $200.  Is it
possible that it is the monitor is causing the problems or that its manual
was incorrect when specifying the scan rates?  Unfortunately I don't have
another monitor I can use to test the card at high resolutions.
	Even though the card was only $80, and I could get another one, I
want to get this one to work.  It is frustrating to have a card and a
monitor that can do 1600x1200 but be stuck at 800x600

						Thanks a lot,
							Tim



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i have a Riva TNT2 32 meg  running at 10204X768 @32bpp
sync rates for my multisyn fe700 are set at 31.5-70  and 55-120


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Hi Nader,

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Nader Turki wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
> I reinstalled FreeBSD few times and couldn't get it to work.

You don't need to reinstall to change XFree settings.  Just run
/stand/sysinstall from root and look for the options for Xfree
configuration.

> I have this Card:
> Cardexpert TM64 Nvidia Riva TNT2 4xAGP 32MB VGA

	I have that exact card but with 16MB memory.  The M64 is actually
different than the ultra vanta, but my dmesg also incorrectly says ultra
vanta. I can only get the card working with 800x600 and 16 bit color.
XFree86 setup, the graphical program only works in that setting for me.
Try picking only that combination in Xfree86setup then test it.  If not,
try different combinations one at a time.

> And I think my other Problem is the Monitor, It's a ViewSonic PF970.

	I believe the monitor should work perfectly as long as you know
the exact vertical and horizontal scan rate ranges for it.  Somebody
correct me if I am wrong, but I hope that is the way it is.

> Hope one of you guys can help me and tell me which settings should I
choose.
> Now I feel stupid 'cause I sold my old PC. I had an old 8MB card on it. I
> used to SuperProbe and use the XF86Config script.

	Apparently nvidia does not do a good job of giving out
documentation to their cards so the drivers for their cards are not the
best.  Possibly as a result, superprobe does not work on this card.

	Does anybody have Xfree 3.3.6 with this card running at a higher
resolution?  I was once able to get a higher resolution to run using the
text configure program instead of the graphical setup.(I think
1280x1024) but the edges were warped beyond what my monitor could adjust
for (it has a lot of adjustments for shape and things.)
	The monitor is a Proview 19inch that I got for $200.  Is it
possible that it is the monitor is causing the problems or that its manual
was incorrect when specifying the scan rates?  Unfortunately I don't have
another monitor I can use to test the card at high resolutions.
	Even though the card was only $80, and I could get another one, I
want to get this one to work.  It is frustrating to have a card and a
monitor that can do 1600x1200 but be stuck at 800x600

						Thanks a lot,
							Tim



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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> * Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001128 09:41] wrote:
> > Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> >
> > I am running this with maxusers=128, and as far as I can tell, mbufs are
> > not the problem:
> >
> > [root@hbo: /nfs/ruby/larse/projects/thesis/bin] netstat -m
> > 139/2192/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> >         132 mbufs allocated to data
> >         7 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > 128/1166/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > 2880 Kbytes allocated to network (37% of mb_map in use)
> > 0 requests for memory denied
> > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> >
> > Looking at the send(2) man page, I agree that ENOBUFS doesn't mean that the
> > send buffer is full:
> >
> >  [ENOBUFS]     The system was unable to allocate an internal buffer.
> >                The operation may succeed when buffers become avail-
> >                able.
> >
> >  [ENOBUFS]     The output queue for a network interface was full.
> >                This generally indicates that the interface has
> >                stopped sending, but may be caused by transient con-
> >                gestion.
> >
> > However, since a too low maxusers is not the problem, I'm still looking for
> > a way of detecting when to resume sending after ENOBUFS, without
> > spinning...
> 
> You'll have to spin, or at least call nanosleep or something to back
> off for a bit.  Are you getting full network utilization even when
> getting ENOBUFS?  Like ~11MB/sec on 100mbit full duplex?  Or are
> you falling short of full throughput?  What network card are you
> using?

Some sender host/card info:

CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (731.47-MHz 686-class CPU)
xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> 

I'm seeing about 96Mb/s on a 100Mb/s full-duplex link, so I'm at link
capacity.

The problem with using nanosleep() is that I have no idea how long to sleep
for in the general case. (Sure, I can pick good value based on the link
speed/message size, but not if those vary.)

Lars
-- 
Lars Eggert <larse@isi.edu>                 Information Sciences Institute
http://www.isi.edu/larse/                University of Southern California
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* Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001128 10:21] wrote:
> Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > 
> > * Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001128 09:41] wrote:
> > > Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > >
> > > I am running this with maxusers=128, and as far as I can tell, mbufs are
> > > not the problem:
> > >
> > > [root@hbo: /nfs/ruby/larse/projects/thesis/bin] netstat -m
> > > 139/2192/10240 mbufs in use (current/peak/max):
> > >         132 mbufs allocated to data
> > >         7 mbufs allocated to packet headers
> > > 128/1166/2560 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max)
> > > 2880 Kbytes allocated to network (37% of mb_map in use)
> > > 0 requests for memory denied
> > > 0 requests for memory delayed
> > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines
> > >
> > > Looking at the send(2) man page, I agree that ENOBUFS doesn't mean that the
> > > send buffer is full:
> > >
> > >  [ENOBUFS]     The system was unable to allocate an internal buffer.
> > >                The operation may succeed when buffers become avail-
> > >                able.
> > >
> > >  [ENOBUFS]     The output queue for a network interface was full.
> > >                This generally indicates that the interface has
> > >                stopped sending, but may be caused by transient con-
> > >                gestion.
> > >
> > > However, since a too low maxusers is not the problem, I'm still looking for
> > > a way of detecting when to resume sending after ENOBUFS, without
> > > spinning...
> > 
> > You'll have to spin, or at least call nanosleep or something to back
> > off for a bit.  Are you getting full network utilization even when
> > getting ENOBUFS?  Like ~11MB/sec on 100mbit full duplex?  Or are
> > you falling short of full throughput?  What network card are you
> > using?
> 
> Some sender host/card info:
> 
> CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (731.47-MHz 686-class CPU)
> xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> 
> 
> I'm seeing about 96Mb/s on a 100Mb/s full-duplex link, so I'm at link
> capacity.
> 
> The problem with using nanosleep() is that I have no idea how long to sleep
> for in the general case. (Sure, I can pick good value based on the link
> speed/message size, but not if those vary.)

Well the idea is to yeild for a small time and just try again.

Another option would be to keep track of how much data is actually
being sent per-interval and do some sliding based on time.

-- 
-Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

 > > Waiting on the 16 x 16 fempto-Chuck artistes with bated breath ..
 > 
 > Well, you can look at my attempt (note: I am *not* an artist!) by
 > grabbing <URL: http://www.mired.org/favicon.ico >.

Thanks Mike, installed already; I look forward to seeing less 'errors'.

Maybe there'll be a competition?  :-)

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 bob@sfcei.com wrote:

> I have searched a bit in the archive and could not find an explanation of
> how to get through a Microsloth Proxy from my FreeBSD 4.1 Release box. It
> seems that Socks is available for the FBSD client to use, but when I try to
> access any web page, it tries to download the web page rather than load it
> to the browser. I have tried Netscrape and the KDE browsers.
> 
> I seem to recall there was a little commentary a while back. Can someone
> shed a little light on this for me?

I'll try, but it always seems to be hit and miss with MS Proxy. If all you
want to do is surf or ftp, you shouldn't have to mess with Socks; just
point your browser to the IP address of the MS Proxy. If you get an
authentication error message, uncheck the NTCR box in the WWW service of
the ISM and just use anonymous (if the NT administrator will let you do
that). Whether this actually works or not depends on what version of
Service Pack is on the NT server and whether or not they have applied the
Proxy server service pack.

If you want to do anything else through the MS Proxy (e.g. get email, ICQ,
etc.), you'll have to muck about with the Socks service which I can't help
you with as I haven't been that brave yet :)

Dru



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Hello,

In addition to the message I posted yesterday:

When I reboot after the install it (4.1R on 10 Gig disk) will not boot properly.

I get:
Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x10040)
No /boot/loader

>>FreeBsd/i386 Boot
Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x10040)
Default: 0:da(0,a)/kernel
boot:
No /kernel

>>FreeBsd/i386 Boot
Disk error 0x1 (lba=0x10040)
Default: 0:da(0,a)/kernel
boot:
...

What does these error 0x1 mean? What to do to boot manually? My disk is on "ad0".

Many thanks in advance for your help!

Regards,

-brt


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Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> 
> * Lars Eggert <larse@ISI.EDU> [001128 10:21] wrote:
> > The problem with using nanosleep() is that I have no idea how long to sleep
> > for in the general case. (Sure, I can pick good value based on the link
> > speed/message size, but not if those vary.)
> 
> Well the idea is to yeild for a small time and just try again.
> 
> Another option would be to keep track of how much data is actually
> being sent per-interval and do some sliding based on time.

I've implemented a scheme where the sender sleeps on each failed send(),
and for each two consecutive failed send()s, the sleep time is doubled. It
seems to work pretty well, instead of hogging the CPU, the process now uses
around 3%, while throughput is still up at 95Mb/s. (The sleep time
stabilizes at about 16msec for my link, which is about right considering
large socket and card buffers.)

Thanks for the help!

Lars 
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Hello,

Tuesday, November 28, 2000, 15:46:49 zulu, Bernie wrote:


BD> But since Winblows is a requirement on this box, and Winblows blows big
BD> time when you change motherboard hardware on it, it would mean I'd have to
BD> reinstall winblows from scratch.

          not at all, in NT start in VGA mode and reinstall services
          and device drivers if necessary, in W95/98 just delete
          devices before you you move your HDD or change the mobo.
          Hey, you are risking just a few US dollars :), but will
          learn yet another unnecessary skill.


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Is their any way to make it so ps -awx as a normal
user only shows their processes ie ps -wux or
something close to that. I've seen another server
do that I was wondering how to do it for my box.








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Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wrote:

> In a case like this, you might create a new entry:
> 
> card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  " "TIDALWV" 
> 	config	0x1 "ata" ? 
> 
> This might still fail because of irq conflicts.  You can specify a
> particular irq in place of the ?, for example 9 in this case:
> 
> card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  " "TIDALWV" 
> 	config	0x1 "ata" 9

     One minor nit: if the above still doesn't work (unlikely), you
might also have to change the config number, e.g.:

card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  " "TIDALWV" 
	config 0x2 "ata" ?

If "0x2" doesn't work, try "0x0" (I'm not sure this is legal, though).

     Oh, wait -- I've got an entry for a Lexar 16MB card.  Here it is
(this is for FreeBSD 4.1, though):

# Lexar ata flash
card "CL ATA FLASH CARD LEXAR  " "TIDALWV"
	config	0x1 "ata2" ?
	insert	logger -t pccard:$device -s Lexar ata FLASH inserted
	remove	logger -t pccard:$device -s Lexar ata FLASH removed

In case anyone's interested, here are a couple more entries for CF
cards (I'm still using 4.1, and so these may already be present in
-stable or -current):

# Simple Technology ata flash (64MB)
card "STI" "Flash 5.0"
	config	0x1 "ata2" ? iosize 16
	insert	logger -t pccard:$device -s Simple Technology ata FLASH inserted
	remove	logger -t pccard:$device -s Simple Technology ata FLASH removed

# Simple Technology ata 16MB flash
card "CF" "016MB"
	config	0x1 "ata2" ? iosize 16
	insert	logger -t pccard:$device -s Compact Flash Card 16MB inserted
	remove	logger -t pccard:$device -s Compact Flash Card 16MB removed

-- 
	Darryl Okahata
	darrylo@soco.agilent.com

DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not
constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or
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Hello all!

I'm having a pretty hard time configuring the sound card of a compaq presario 5240 with FreeBSD 4.2 release.  I have recompiled the kernel with "device pcm" and rebooted.  No pcm device seems to be found.

I'm not 100% sure what kind of sound chip it has, but by looking at the motherboard I noticed an ESS Audiodrive chip.  I believe that to be the sound chip.  I'm wondering if that sound chip is supported.  According to the pcm manpage, ESS sound chips are supported. Although, I didn't see any mention of the Audiodrive specifically (did I miss it?).  I'm trying to find more technical information on the Compaq site concerning this model.

One of things that I have seen in the past on this mailinglist is that sometimes the pcm driver won't find the audio device if the BIOS is set to PNP OS = Yes.  I'd check the BIOS but I have no clue how to get past the COMPAQ boot up screen and into the BIOS, but I'm also doing a lookup on that on the Compaq website.  In case you know how to get into the BIOS, please let me know.

Another thing I was thinking about was maybe the boot.conf or kernel.conf (forgot the name) file that sets device settings on bootup.  Maybe I have to tweak that?  I wouldn't think so, because I would still get something showing up in my dmesg concerning the audio device.  Maybe a device unknown or something at least.

Other than that, I don't know what else to tell ya.  If you need my kernel config and my dmesg output I'll gladly post that as well.

Please keep me posted! :)

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Presario 53xx's have an ESS Solo-1 chipset.
Use F10 to get to setup.

Regards,
Jeff Fulton

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> Hello all!
>
> I'm having a pretty hard time configuring the sound card of a compaq
presario 5240 with FreeBSD 4.2 release.  I have recompiled the kernel with
"device pcm" and rebooted.  No pcm device seems to be found.
>
> I'm not 100% sure what kind of sound chip it has, but by looking at the
motherboard I noticed an ESS Audiodrive chip.  I believe that to be the
sound chip.  I'm wondering if that sound chip is supported.  According to
the pcm manpage, ESS sound chips are supported. Although, I didn't see any
mention of the Audiodrive specifically (did I miss it?).  I'm trying to find
more technical information on the Compaq site concerning this model.
>
> One of things that I have seen in the past on this mailinglist is that
sometimes the pcm driver won't find the audio device if the BIOS is set to
PNP OS = Yes.  I'd check the BIOS but I have no clue how to get past the
COMPAQ boot up screen and into the BIOS, but I'm also doing a lookup on that
on the Compaq website.  In case you know how to get into the BIOS, please
let me know.
>
> Another thing I was thinking about was maybe the boot.conf or kernel.conf
(forgot the name) file that sets device settings on bootup.  Maybe I have to
tweak that?  I wouldn't think so, because I would still get something
showing up in my dmesg concerning the audio device.  Maybe a device unknown
or something at least.
>
> Other than that, I don't know what else to tell ya.  If you need my kernel
config and my dmesg output I'll gladly post that as well.
>
> Please keep me posted! :)
>
> Joey Garcia
>
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> http://shop.storerunner.com/nettaxi/
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>
>
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Hi,

I have a FreeBSD machine runnig samba, and I have a NT server with a
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Has anyone had any experience with this problem?

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odie[v0]:root@/etc# dmesg|less
[snip]
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
sio1: type 16550A

I have a problem according to the first sio1: line above, but I don't know 
what it is. I was having trouble cutting & pasting with my 3 button serial 
mouse - maybe I don't know how ;,) - so I looked first at hardware probs.
Any ideas on the above sio1 deal? Tia...




-duke
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On 27 Nov 00 at 22:36, Dima Dorfman wrote:

>Mike Ekholm wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> I am running in to some odd problems with name resolution. Here is what I am
>> seeing:
>> 
>> ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> w
>> 10:42PM  up 106 days, 23:24, 14 users, load averages: 0.75, 1.08, 0.94
>> USER             TTY      FROM              LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
>> ekholm           p0       bigone           Sun09PM    33 -ksh (ksh)
>> ekholm           p1       bigone           20Nov00     - -ksh (ksh)
>>
><snip who(1) output>
>> 
>> ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> last|more
>> ekholm           ttyp0    192.168.0.17     Sun Nov 26 21:46   still logged in
>> ekholm           ttyp1    192.168.0.17     Mon Nov 20 19:00   still logged in
>> ekholm           ttypc    isis.XXXX.XXX    Mon Nov 27 22:26   still logged in
>> ekholm           ttyp8    j1xsfw01.XXXX.XXX Mon Nov 27 08:05   still logged in
>> 
>> 
>> The question is, why does w show the name I am from, but who and
>> last do not.
>
>w(1) does a DNS lookup on all the hostnames it gets from the utmp
>file.  last(1) and who(1) don't.
>
>> This happens with almsot any host in my 192.168.0/24, but does NOT happen
>> with IPs in other blocks (as shown in the last).
>
>When who(1) and last(1) show hostnames, it is because whatever program
>wrote to the utmp/wtmp files recorded the DNS entry in ut_host rather
>than a numeric address.  As stated before, w(1) always does a DNS
>lookup, so you always get a hostname from it if it can find it.
>
>As to why some of your connections get recorded with numeric address
>and others with DNS names, perhaps you're using different methods to
>log in?  For example, IIRC, ftp records the DNS name in ut_host, while
>telnetd records the numeric address.
>
>> 
>> Another problem is, this machine is running a IRC server, for some reeason
>> connecting clients are not resolving, shows user@ip instead od
>> user@dom.com
>
>Can you resolve the name manually using host(1)?  Can you telnet or
>ping the hostname?  If you answered yes to the former but no the
>latter, you may want to check out /etc/resolv.conf or resolver(5).

Just lurking & learning.....;)

Seems that I'm having a similar problem, I think. With "w" and "who" show 
nothing in the FROM field except when I ftp/telnet from my win9x box I 
see mandy or 10.0.0.2 in there. Is this correct behavior?

/etc/hosts

127.0.0.1   localhost
127.0.0.1   odie.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca     odie
10.0.0.1    odie.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca     odie
10.0.0.2    mandy.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca     mandy

Do I have the correct format/syntax for /etc/hosts?

/etc/resolv.conf is empty - I think that this is correct.
odie[v0]:root@/etc# hostname
odie.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca

Tia....

-duke
Calgary,Alberta, Canada


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Hello all !

I'm trying to setup my hp deskjet 815C printer. I am following the handbook
instructions. But when I did:
lptest > /dev/lpt0
I got:
/dev/lpt0    device busy
Can someone help me please?


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Thanks for the response Mike

I eventually discovered where I was going wrong ..... apparently the private
key generated on the Unix system needs to be copied / renamed to another
location there & then there doesn't appear to be any need for an
"authorized_keys" on the Windows system. Well at least that works for me.
After having got it working I can sorta see that "man ssh" is saying to do
what I've done, but like virtually all man pages its quite useless as a
:howto".

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> Doug Young <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au> types:
> > "man ssh" says "The user creates his/her RSA key pair blah blah blah
> > ..... then copy the identity.pub to some directory on
> > the remote machine."  Now thats all very well if the remote machine
> > happens to be another unix box, but where on earth does
> > one find a "HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys" file or directory in a Windows
> > system ????????
>
> That will depend on TERATERM. Check it's documentation.
>
> SSH can be used in a mode that doesn't require user keys (just host
> keys) on both ends. It sets up an encrypted channel and you do the
> password query/response over that. You should get that if you don't
> have a key. I don't use TERATERM on Windows; I use PuTTY, and just
> installing then running it gets that mode.
>
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> <mike
>
> > I get a "fatal: Timeout before authentication for xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" =
> > message from FreeBSD, but I guess thats just the FreeBSD=20
> > system spitting the dummy at a key it doesn't like.
> >
> > Would someone please enlighten me on just how I go about setting up keys
=
> > that are acceptable to both FreeBSD & Windows,=20
> > and if theres any sort of hocus pocus is involved in getting the key/s =
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> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm trying to configure SSH login to a
=
> > 4.2 RELEASE=20
> > system from various Windows machines. It certainly appears to be a =
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>step forward in securing servers from =
> > the moron=20
> > element that gets its thrills from wanton vandalism, however as with =
> > most=20
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>new things in unix&nbsp;the =
> > documentation quite=20
> > sparse as far as explaining </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >
size=3D2>"exactly_how_do_I_do_this_from_scratch_when_I_&nbsp;only_first=20
> > _stumbled_across_ the beast_an_hour_ago"</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've installed "TeraTerm" in the =
> > Windows systems,=20
> > (complete with the SSH patch), and its sorta talking to unix (its got no
=
> >
> > problem</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>with regular telnet =
> > login),&nbsp;</FONT><FONT=20
> > face=3DArial size=3D2>but I've obviously not understood something =
> > </FONT><FONT=20
> > face=3DArial size=3D2>about this private / public keys stuff because it
=
> > refuses to=20
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>accept either&nbsp;the <FONT =
> > face=3DArial=20
> > size=3D2>private </FONT></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
> > face=3DArial size=3D2>or=20
> > the public keys that I copied from the FreeBSD /home/username=20
> > directory.&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"man ssh" says "The user creates =
> > his/her RSA key=20
> > pair blah blah blah &nbsp;..... then copy the identity.pub to some =
> > directory on=20
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the remote machine."&nbsp; Now thats =
> > all very well=20
> > if the remote machine happens to be another unix box, but&nbsp;where on
=
> > earth=20
> > does</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>one find a "HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys"
=
> > file or=20
> > directory in a </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Windows system =
> > ????????=20
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I get a "fatal: Timeout before =
> > authentication for=20
> > xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" message from FreeBSD,&nbsp;but I guess thats just the =
> > FreeBSD=20
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>system spitting </FONT><FONT =
> > face=3DArial size=3D2>the=20
> > dummy at a key it doesn't like.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would someone please enlighten me on =
> > just how I go=20
> > about setting up keys that are acceptable to both FreeBSD &amp; Windows,
=
> >
> > </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and if theres any&nbsp;sort of hocus =
> > pocus is=20
> > involved in getting the key/s from unix to windows without changing
the=20
> > things.</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> > - ------=_NextPart_000_0921_01C05959.1C090B10--
> >
> >
> >
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how well do linux applications run in freebsd with linux enabled.

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* BCray@SARCOM.COM <BCray@SARCOM.COM> [001128 13:07] wrote:
> how well do linux applications run in freebsd with linux enabled.

Most run very well, let us know if you have a problem.

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The pass phrase and key combination are both required for strong 
authentication. 

Keeping it simple and out of the minutiae,

Basically the key verifies that you are coming from where you say you are 
coming
and the pass phrase verifies that you are who you say you are.

As Popeye would say "I'm from where I'm from and I yam what I yam".





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        Subject:        Re: Help Understanding SSH

>>>>> "D" == Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org> writes:
D> Mike Meyer wrote:
>> tayers@bridge.com types:
>> > Then I disconnect from B and connect again: 'ssh B'. It works without
>> > the "authenticity" warning, but it prompts for the passphrase
>> > again. Blech. ;-p Is there a way to set this up so I don't have to
>> > type the passphrase in all the time? Having to type the passphrase
>> > makes doing 'ssh B <command>' from a script kind of troublesome.
>> 
>> I haven't fooled with passphrases. You may need to set things up
>> without one. However, according to the ssh-keygen man page, you need
>> to copy the .ssh/identity.pub key into .ssh/authorized_keys on the
>> remote machine. I'd try that first.

D> This is to get the RSA key working in the first place (identity.pub ->
D> authorized_keys is telling the server that they key can be used to
D> connect to that user's account).  What you're looking for is
D> ssh-agent(1) and ssh-add(1).

Thanks for the answers. stock@fishcracker.com and Dima suggested using
ssh-agent, but I don't think that is useful in my case. I have UNIX
servers that need to communicate with other servers. So I want server
A to be able to run a command on server B. I did not make this clear
in my original message.

Mike's implication is what allows this to work without a prompt. If
you create an SSH key without a passphrase it works like I want:
without prompting for a passphrase.

I'm still looking for the what/why of the passphrase. I assume it is
additional security, but haven't seen that printed anywhere.

Thanks and
Hope you have a very nice day, :-)
Tim Ayers (tayers@bridge.com)





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I nuked a large ext2 partition by causing a sudden FreeBSD reboot,
simply running a linux binary under the emulator. All the ufs
partitions recovered... and ext2, as usual, died.

I know about the brandelf trick: next time maybe I'll remember to used
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While I wait for the tape to do its duty, I was wondering: does
anybody know why some linux binaries come branded as Linux, and others
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Hi,

I've installed FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE on a server here (AMD K6-2 333MHz, 64MB
RAM), which does gatewaying, firewalling, NATd and finally, samba, samba for
printing.

The box works like a charm, but printing doesn't. The printer connected to
it is an Epson Stylus Color 600, hooked to /dev/lpt0. When I print the
Windoze test page, it works (lpq happily says the file is 200KB, and it gets
printed).

However, whenever I try to print some image that is about 1MB in the print
queue, the printer prints a small part, and the rest will not be printed. In
fact, the entire queue entry is gone!

Does anyone know what has caused this? I noticed some stray IRQ 7's, but
even if I enable polling mode (using lptcontrol -p), it doesn't work. I need
to get this printer working soon. It worked fine using RedHat Linux 6.1.

Anyone, please?

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Try holding down the Ctrl, Alt and + key at the same time when you are in 
xwindows. It should increase your resolution each time you press that 
combination. You could also edit your /etc/X11/XF86Configure file to not 
include the resolutions you don't want. Hope this was clear enough to help. 
Good luck.

Philip


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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 15:18:32 +0200

To whoever can help

I have version 4.0-Stable of FreeBSD and apon installing it onto my 500 
Celeron (Compaq Presario) I encountered a problem
when configuring X through Xfree86 (I think its called) My Display card is 
the following: Intel 810 Chipset Graphics Driver (DC100)
or that is at least what Winblows is telling me at the moment and it seems 
to be runing fine through winblows.

When I got into Xfree86 the resolution was fine and I continued to setup my 
Card by selecting from the list the Intel ??? Generic
since I noticed that my videocard wasn't in the list, I then went to setup 
my screen and selected one of the 1024 x 768 screens
(the one matching my screen) I then went to select a resolution of 1024 x 
768, when my X server tried to restart it went into the
resolution of 320 x 400, I then tried to use the resolution of 800 x 600 and 
still it went back into 320 x 400. Do you perhaps know
what I'm doing wrong?
This is my first time trying to install FreeBSD, I have managed to install 
quite a few distrobutions of Linux onto my machine, i.e
Linux Mandrake, Corel (yuck) and my GUI / X would run fine. I know that its 
me not understanding this whole Xfree86 setup, so
could you please tell me where Im going wrong?

Thanks, Yours Faithfully
Chris Grant (admin@nemasis.org)

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Akshay Lamba wrote:
> 
> Dear Eric,
>   Thanks for your mail. I already did that and.... it works for one of my
> FreeBSD systems... but does'nt seem to work for the other one.

Are the ones on the network using the private IP address (ones in
rfc1918, I think)?

If so, you may want to look at natd (or if it's a dialup account, the
-nat option for ppp).


Beyond that I have no clue, maybe someone else might pick this one up.

> 
> Regards,
> Akshay Lamba
> 
> >From: Eric Rivas <rivas45@sprintmail.com>
> >To: Akshay Lamba <akshay_lamba@hotmail.com>
> >CC: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> >Subject: Re: Bride Help
> >Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:09:46 -0500
> >
> > > Akshay Lamba wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!! I am a graduate student at university of michigan.  I have now
> > > been able to get my
> > > server up but with a few gliches. I have a freebsd server with 2
> > > network
> > > cards. I need that data packets should be interchanges between the 2
> > > cards
> > > so that the workstations (attached to one of the cards through a hub)
> > > can
> > > access the internet attached to the other card. Now, I did some
> > > reading on
> > > it and it seems i have to create a "bridge" between the 2 cards. I
> > > just
> > > wanted to confirm from you if this is right. Also.. the documentation
> > > gives
> > > the following lines about creating a bridge.
> >
> >I think you might just want to add this to your /etc/rc.conf (create it
> >if it doesn't exist):
> >
> >gateway_enable="YES"
> >
> >This will allow packets to pass between your two cards.
> >
> >Hope I was helpful.
> >
> > > ----------------------------------------------
> > > 16.3.3.2. Kernel configuration changes
> > > To enable kernel support for bridging, add the
> > >
> > >     options BRIDGE
> > >
> > > statement to your kernel configuration file, and rebuild your kernel.
> > > -----------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Could you explain to me what it means. My main questions are:-
> > > 1. Which is the kernel configuration file.
> > > 2. How do i rebuild by kernel and then get it up and running.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot of your help.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > > Akshay Lamba
> >
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I came across a web site that tests network security.  I ran it on my
router running FBSD 4.2S w/ipfil 3.4.8.  Part of the results came back
saying that port 514 that syslog was using was insecure and they sent a
little message to the syslog daemon ==>

Nov 28 12:59:09 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 225/200 pps

Nov 28 12:59:12 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 236/200 pps

Nov 28 12:59:15 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 228/200 pps

Nov 28 12:59:21 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 201/200 pps

I checked out some man pages and came across running syslogd in secure
mode with the -s option.  Is this recommended, to make syslogd be more
secure?  What file would I put this option in?  (I didn't know where to
enable -s)  Or should I just block off port 514 coming in from the
internet on the firewall??
Thanks
trini0


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I came across a web site that tests network security.&nbsp; I ran it on
my router running FBSD 4.2S w/ipfil 3.4.8.&nbsp; Part of the results came
back saying that port 514 that syslog was using was insecure and they sent
a little message to the syslog daemon ==>
<p>Nov 28 12:59:09 gw /kernel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; icmp-response bandwidth
limit 225/200 pps
<p>Nov 28 12:59:12 gw /kernel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; icmp-response bandwidth
limit 236/200 pps
<p>Nov 28 12:59:15 gw /kernel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; icmp-response bandwidth
limit 228/200 pps
<p>Nov 28 12:59:21 gw /kernel:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; icmp-response bandwidth
limit 201/200 pps
<p>I checked out some man pages and came across running syslogd in secure
mode with the -s option.&nbsp; Is this recommended, to make syslogd be
more secure?&nbsp; What file would I put this option in?&nbsp; (I didn't
know where to enable -s)&nbsp; Or should I just block off port 514 coming
in from the internet on the firewall??
<br>Thanks
<br>trini0
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Hello all,

Anyone uses one of Compaq's ProLiant servers w/ FreeBSD installed on
them as OS? We're currently searching for a suitable server for our
company, and Compaq's server seem very attractive. I still don't know,
however, if all of the hardware is supported by FreeBSD.

Especially, the Ethernet NIC adapter and their RAID solutions.. are they
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I seem to be having a little trouble with my system. It's a 4.1-STABLE
machine with a custom kernel and runs fine as one of my desktop machines. I
noticed, however, that I was unable to do a 'make buildworld' a couple of
weeks ago. This has happened to me before when I would get a "bad" src (or
something) tree so I did a rm -r /usr/src and allowed my daily scheduled
cvsup to run that night. Now it's a couple weeks later and I'm still unable
to buildworld even after 3 attemps to rm /usr/src and then get a new copy
from different cvs servers.

I'm now supping against cvsup6.freebsd.org and using default release=cvs
tag=RELENG_4 with src-all, ports-all tag=. and doc-all specified.

Here's what I'm doing which has worked in the past but errors out now..
#cd /usr/src
#make buildworld
...yadda yadda scroll succesfully going through several trees till we get
to:
===> gnu/lib/libdialog
".depend", line 4: Need an operator
".depend", line 5: Need an operator
".depend", line 6: Need an operator
".depend", line 9: Need an operator
".depend", line 10: Need an operator
No closing parenthesis in archive specification
".depend", line 12: Error in archive specification: "Pp5ŠLó"
".depend", line 13: Need an operator
".depend", line 14: Need an operator
".depend", line 15: Need an operator
Unterminated {} clause "Ò³ƒâtÆ`LŸGLÿMŒ-æz’W1qÙeš.Ê*LÂIŒÖܯÕ[h¡Klî‚�罶ù"

which is finished with a Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib.

So seeing dozens of .depend words in there, I tried a:
#make depend
...yadda..yadda...followed by..
/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen/basename.c:36: libgen.h: No such file or
directory
/usr/src/lib/libc/../libc/gen/dirname.c:36: libgen.h: No such file or
directory
mkdep: compile failed
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libc.
*** Error code 1

*ugh* What to do? What to do?

John Straiton
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Hello,

When I tried to use "locate" to locate the files, I got the following
error message:
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I checked the locate.database in that directory and it got nothing in
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I've never really had a problem getting anything to run. So I guess  that
means they run well.


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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 BCray@SARCOM.COM wrote:

> how well do linux applications run in freebsd with linux enabled.
> 
> Brian Cray (bcray@sarcom.com)
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> When I tried to use "locate" to locate the files, I got the following
> error message:
> "locate: database too small: /var/db/locate.database"
> I checked the locate.database in that directory and it got nothing in
> it.  Is there anyway I can fix it?

	Yes... create the locate database /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb
does what you want.

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Can someone suggest an IMAP that works properly without all the hocus =
pocus thats apparently involved with cyrus.=20

I notice that imap-uw is no longer incuded in the packages, & the ports =
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I've had problems with having to modify make files for applications that do
packetsniffing to use FreeBSD libraries instead of the linux ones and also
in using pre-compiled applications.

But in general my answer would match Kenneth's. It's not usually been a
problem for me.

John


>I've never really had a problem getting anything to run. So I guess  that
>means they run well.
>
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>> how well do linux applications run in freebsd with linux enabled.
>>
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I'm running 4.1.1-RELEASE and need a CDRW drive that will work with
Soren's /usr/sbin/burncd program.  We tried a new Plextor and it
was a dismal failure.  Suggestions?  Yamaha, HP?  Particular models?
 
While I'm at it, how does one rip audio from music CDs using one   
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I had a similar problem the other day when I hooked up
a printer to my FBSD 4.2 server.  The initial problem was
that the cable hooked into the MB was backwards, once I
shutdown, reversed the cable and rebooted, it worked (at
least it didn't say device busy, working is a diff story :)).

the other time, I had forgotten I had unplugged it.  Judging
from that, it could be that the power is off, the cable is bad
or other connection problems.

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>
> Hello all !
>
> I'm trying to setup my hp deskjet 815C printer. I am following the
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> instructions. But when I did:
> lptest > /dev/lpt0
> I got:
> /dev/lpt0    device busy
> Can someone help me please?
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Update!

Okay, I realized that I had another machine of the same model floating around in the building running Windows 98.  So what I did was I checked out the properties for the sound device.  Here is the information pertaining to the sound device in a Compaq Presario 5240 desktop computer:

ES1869 Pnp Audiodrive
DMA 1
DMA 3
IRQ 5
IO  220
IO  388
IO  330

It also had some control interface at io 268 listed, but I have no clue what the heck that is.

Now what I don't know if it's a PCI or ISA device.  Although, aren't PnP devices generally ISA?  Hmmmm...I remember back when I had a PnP soundblaster I had to add device pnp and device pcm to get it to work.  Do have to do the same?

I'll be checking the mailing list archives to see if by chance someone came across this and found a fix.

Thanks for the help!

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Duke Normandin wrote:

> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
> sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
> sio1: type 16550A
> 
> I have a problem according to the first sio1: line above, but I don't know 
> what it is. I was having trouble cutting & pasting with my 3 button serial 
> mouse - maybe I don't know how ;,) - so I looked first at hardware probs.
> Any ideas on the above sio1 deal? Tia...

This usually means you have an irq conflict (on irq 3).

> 
> -duke
> Calgary,Alberta, Canada
> 

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>Anyone uses one of Compaq's ProLiant servers w/ FreeBSD installed on
>them as OS? We're currently searching for a suitable server for our
>company, and Compaq's server seem very attractive. I still don't know,
>however, if all of the hardware is supported by FreeBSD.

Yes, we run FreeBSD on a number of ProLiants. Currently we have it installed 
on a 3000 (w/ dual CPU) and a 1850R. All servers have Compaq Smart RAID 
controllers.

The onboard/older Compaq 10/100 Intelligent cards use a Texas Instruments 
ThunderLAN chipset so are supported by the tl driver (with miibus). The 
newer Compaq 10/100 cards use the Intel 10/100B PRO (82558B) chipset so are 
supported by the fxp driver.

Compaq RAID is supported by the ida driver but I understand if you use the 
newer RAID card (I forget the name of it) you need to use 4.1.1-RELEASE or 
later.

Onboard SCSI cards use Symbios/NCR chipsets (like NCR53C810) and so are 
covered by the sym driver.

All in all we haven't had an issue with FreeBSD on the Compaq machines.

Feel free to drop me an email directly if you'd like copies of dmesg or 
kernel configs etc. Happy to help.

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Benjamin Close wrote:

> Next I tried a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d which looks like:
> #!/bin/sh
> /usr/bin/top < /dev/ttyvb > /dev/ttyvb  &
> echo -n " top"
> 
> Whilst " top" is echoed, the top process seems to be killed by the time I
> get to log in.

Is a getty running on ttyvb?  Try disabling it in /etc/ttys.

> 
> Cheers,
> 	Benjamin
> 

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Hi,

I am migrating my system from a RedHat Linux box, and I am having some
problems...

I have a perl deamon that needs to run... It serves as a Search-server.
When I run it (I use nice -10), and then go straight into TOP, i have about
92mb (out of 128mb) free on my Mem. *I have compiled the source of Perl
5.6.0 to see if it improved on something, but no luck...*

After a few seconds, that falls to about 9mb, and the following is what TOP
shows me:
last pid: 13023;  load averages:  0.05,  0.10,  0.09    up 0+03:07:06
19:07:14
58 processes:  1 running, 57 sleeping
CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.8% interrupt, 99.2%
idle
Mem: 43M Active, 44M Inact, 21M Wired, 4440K Cache, 22M Buf, 8964K Free
Swap: 258M Total, 258M Free

I must run 3 similar perl deamons on each server, for diffeent types of
searches (I have two, load balanced, servers).

After a while, the memory (with 3 servers) falls to literally 0kb, and the
machine stops handling requests, with an error that says: "no more
processes" whenever i try to enter any command... The machine must be
forcefully restarted (as not even reboot or shutdown commands work), and
then brought up again...

What can be causing this, how can I debug it?

Should I recompile the Kernel, if so, can anyone give me some advice, I am
completely new to this? Below is my machine spec...

It is a DELL, with Pentium III 800 Processor, 128mb Ram, and a 10GB IDE
drive.

The INACT memory that top shows, what is this? Is this an "eating up" of
memory of some sort (This happened in some weird cases in RedHat, where
"shared" memory was never freed, even after the process went down...)?  What
about the SWAP, should it be used? Is there anyway to force the process to
use it after it exceeds Xmb?

Thanks for any and all help!


Roy Nasser
roy@vem.ca


  


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* Roy Nasser <roy@vem.ca> [001128 15:22] wrote:
> 
> After a while, the memory (with 3 servers) falls to literally 0kb, and the
> machine stops handling requests, with an error that says: "no more
> processes" whenever i try to enter any command... The machine must be
> forcefully restarted (as not even reboot or shutdown commands work), and
> then brought up again...
> 

Have you increased maxusers in your kernel config file?
I would set it to at least 64.
You really should have more memory for a server, most of our
boxes have at least 256MB.

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Roy Nasser wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am migrating my system from a RedHat Linux box, and I am having
> some problems...
>
> I have a perl deamon that needs to run... It serves as a
> Search-server. When I run it (I use nice -10), and then go straight
> into TOP, i have about 92mb (out of 128mb) free on my Mem. *I have
> compiled the source of Perl 5.6.0 to see if it improved on something,
> but no luck...*
>
> After a few seconds, that falls to about 9mb, and the following is
> what TOP shows me:
> last pid: 13023;  load averages:  0.05,  0.10,  0.09    up 0+03:07:06
> 19:07:14
> 58 processes:  1 running, 57 sleeping
> CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 0.0% system, 0.8% interrupt, 99.2%
> idle Mem: 43M Active, 44M Inact, 21M Wired, 4440K Cache, 22M Buf,
> 8964K Free Swap: 258M Total, 258M Free
>
> I must run 3 similar perl deamons on each server, for diffeent types
> of searches (I have two, load balanced, servers).
>
> After a while, the memory (with 3 servers) falls to literally 0kb,
> and the machine stops handling requests, with an error that says: "no
> more processes" whenever i try to enter any command... The machine
> must be forcefully restarted (as not even reboot or shutdown commands
> work), and then brought up again...
>
'No more processes' most often is caused by zombie processes, that the  
perl daemons leave laying around. Most likely the perl daemons fork at  
some place, but fail to reap the child processes. Either add a 'wait',  
or use double forking.

Memory usage is a second problem, probably caused by a memory leak in  
your perl daemons. Not easy to debug.

Gerd


> What can be causing this, how can I debug it?
>
> Should I recompile the Kernel, if so, can anyone give me some advice,
> I am completely new to this? Below is my machine spec...
>
> It is a DELL, with Pentium III 800 Processor, 128mb Ram, and a 10GB
> IDE drive.
>
> The INACT memory that top shows, what is this? Is this an "eating up"
> of memory of some sort (This happened in some weird cases in RedHat,
> where "shared" memory was never freed, even after the process went
> down...)? What about the SWAP, should it be used? Is there anyway to
> force the process to use it after it exceeds Xmb?
>
> Thanks for any and all help!
>
>
> Roy Nasser
> roy@vem.ca
>
>
>
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Alfred,

Thank you for your suggestion... I have not tried anything except the
"basic" (simplified - i.e. no uselesss things like X, etc) installation...

The reason for the small ammount of memory is that this machine will not be
running any DB, it would only be a Webserver, and a PHP server, and even
with the PHP, all of the files will be cached (so as to increase
performance)... For these reasons we are trying to explore with the least
amount of memory, etc, and most performance (Basically "Dream": Optimal
Price to Performance ratio)...

I Will try this suggestion....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alfred Perlstein [mailto:bright@wintelcom.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
> To: Roy Nasser
> Cc: 'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'
> Subject: Re: Memory utilization rises too much, and then machine
> crashes...
> 
> 
> * Roy Nasser <roy@vem.ca> [001128 15:22] wrote:
> > 
> > After a while, the memory (with 3 servers) falls to 
> literally 0kb, and the
> > machine stops handling requests, with an error that says: "no more
> > processes" whenever i try to enter any command... The 
> machine must be
> > forcefully restarted (as not even reboot or shutdown 
> commands work), and
> > then brought up again...
> > 
> 
> Have you increased maxusers in your kernel config file?
> I would set it to at least 64.
> You really should have more memory for a server, most of our
> boxes have at least 256MB.
> 
> -- 
> -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org]
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 I have just updated the sources from 4.0 to 4.1 and done a make =
buildworld. I am trying to recompile the kernel so I can reboot into 4.1 =
and it is giving me the following error.


   Any help would be greatly apprecaited.


        Mike F.


cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls =
-Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes =
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instruction
/tmp/cch32490.s:841: Error: operands given don't match any known 386 =
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*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC.
You must build a kernel first.
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Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC.
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When a user edits thier crontab (crontab -e) on a recently upgraded 4.2
box, they get this error:

"crontab.ALkxt20176" 4L, 313C written
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Root can, however, run `crontab -u user -e` and it works just fine.  Any
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Aaron Shaw wrote:
> I'm running 4.1.1-RELEASE and need a CDRW drive that will work with
> Soren's /usr/sbin/burncd program.  We tried a new Plextor and it
> was a dismal failure.  Suggestions?  Yamaha, HP?  Particular models?

What plextor drive did you try?  I've heard specifically from someone that
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receive?  Are you sure it wasn't just a random piece of bad hardware?  I'm
curious because the plexwriter has gotten extremely high reviews for
reliability, so I'm looking to buy one to use with FreeBSD.

> While I'm at it, how does one rip audio from music CDs using one   
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	Sorry I can't help there.  I'd like to know too.

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I have an ATAPI CD-RW drive.

FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE.

The cdrecord port says it works with ATAPI CD-RW/CD-R.

The /usr/share/examples/worm/burnit.sh is SCSI specific.

The cdrecord keeps complaining that it needs a SCSI
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> mike wrote:
> 
>  I have just updated the sources from 4.0 to 4.1 and done a make
> buildworld. I am trying to recompile the kernel so I can reboot into
> 4.1 and it is giving me the following error.

You didn't read /usr/src/UPDATING. You probably need to do a "make
buildkernel KERNEL=GENERIC". Tremendous changes between 4.0 and 4.1
and the make depend route didn't work for me.

Kent

> 
> 
>    Any help would be greatly apprecaited.
> 
> 
>         Mike F.
> 
> 
> cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls
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> -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi -g
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> opt_global.h -elf  -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2
> ../../i386/i386/bioscall.s
> /tmp/cch32490.s: Assembler messages:
> /tmp/cch32490.s:776: Error: operands given don't match any known 386
> instruction
> /tmp/cch32490.s:841: Error: operands given don't match any known 386
> instruction
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC.
> You must build a kernel first.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC.
> bash-2.03#

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Hi, please format your mail in text not html.  Just go to your preferences
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Arcnum Mage wrote:

> I got a couple of questions for you. First I was looking in the FAQ and
> couldn't find anyhting about the use of a PCI win-modem under freeBSD.
> So will a win-modem work? 

	Nope, they're called win-modems for a reason.  They have
proprietary drivers that so far only work with windows.  Some have been
written for Linux, but I've never heard of anybody getting one of those
"linmodem" drivers to work with FreeBSD.  
	Best bet is to sell the winmodem on ebay and get high speed access
ISDN/cable/DSL if it is available in your area.  Once you get it, you'll
never go back to a modem.  If you can't do that, get either an external
modem or an ISA internal modem with jumpers (almost all of which are
real modems and will work with FreeBSD).

> And second will freeBSD work with my BootMagic
> program and let me choose wether i want to boot into Windows or freeBSD?
> Thanks for your help.

	I don't know about BootMagic, but the FreeBSD bootloader will
allow you to boot into windows or FreeBSD. Hope that helped,

						Tim






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Terry Lambert wrote:
> 
> I have an ATAPI CD-RW drive.
> 
> FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE.
> 
> The cdrecord port says it works with ATAPI CD-RW/CD-R.
> 
> The /usr/share/examples/worm/burnit.sh is SCSI specific.
> 
> The cdrecord keeps complaining that it needs a SCSI
> device.
> 
> Does anyone have an ATAPI version of burnit.sh they want to
> share?

Most of us probably use burncd to do out ATAPI cdrom burning.

Kent

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Matt Bettinger wrote:
> i have a Riva TNT2 32 meg  running at 10204X768 @32bpp
> sync rates for my multisyn fe700 are set at 31.5-70  and 55-120

Bummer, I try that and it looks seriously messed up.  The ranges on my
monitor are 30-85 and 50-150 which works perfect at 800x600.
						
						Tim

> Hi Nader,
> 
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Nader Turki wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply.
> > I reinstalled FreeBSD few times and couldn't get it to work.
> 
> You don't need to reinstall to change XFree settings.  Just run
> /stand/sysinstall from root and look for the options for Xfree
> configuration.
> 
> > I have this Card:
> > Cardexpert TM64 Nvidia Riva TNT2 4xAGP 32MB VGA
> 
> 	I have that exact card but with 16MB memory.  The M64 is actually
> different than the ultra vanta, but my dmesg also incorrectly says ultra
> vanta. I can only get the card working with 800x600 and 16 bit color.
> XFree86 setup, the graphical program only works in that setting for me.
> Try picking only that combination in Xfree86setup then test it.  If not,
> try different combinations one at a time.
> 
> > And I think my other Problem is the Monitor, It's a ViewSonic PF970.
> 
> 	I believe the monitor should work perfectly as long as you know
> the exact vertical and horizontal scan rate ranges for it.  Somebody
> correct me if I am wrong, but I hope that is the way it is.
> 
> > Hope one of you guys can help me and tell me which settings should I
> choose.
> > Now I feel stupid 'cause I sold my old PC. I had an old 8MB card on it. I
> > used to SuperProbe and use the XF86Config script.
> 
> 	Apparently nvidia does not do a good job of giving out
> documentation to their cards so the drivers for their cards are not the
> best.  Possibly as a result, superprobe does not work on this card.
> 
> 	Does anybody have Xfree 3.3.6 with this card running at a higher
> resolution?  I was once able to get a higher resolution to run using the
> text configure program instead of the graphical setup.(I think
> 1280x1024) but the edges were warped beyond what my monitor could adjust
> for (it has a lot of adjustments for shape and things.)
> 	The monitor is a Proview 19inch that I got for $200.  Is it
> possible that it is the monitor is causing the problems or that its manual
> was incorrect when specifying the scan rates?  Unfortunately I don't have
> another monitor I can use to test the card at high resolutions.
> 	Even though the card was only $80, and I could get another one, I
> want to get this one to work.  It is frustrating to have a card and a
> monitor that can do 1600x1200 but be stuck at 800x600
> 
> 						Thanks a lot,
> 							Tim



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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote:
> Terry Lambert wrote:
> > I have an ATAPI CD-RW drive.
> > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE.
> > The cdrecord port says it works with ATAPI CD-RW/CD-R.
> > The /usr/share/examples/worm/burnit.sh is SCSI specific.
> > The cdrecord keeps complaining that it needs a SCSI
> > device.
> > 
> > Does anyone have an ATAPI version of burnit.sh they want to
> > share?

> Most of us probably use burncd to do our ATAPI cdrom burning.

	Unfortunately there are now two ATAPI CDRW threads running, but oh
well.  I dug up the mail sent to me by a guy using OpenBSD to record on
the plexwriter 10/12/32  using cdrecord.

> On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Andre Lucas wrote:
>
> It worked fine for me, "cdrecord dev=/dev/rcd1c -v speed 12 <iso-file>"
> > did the job. rcd1c is the second cd drive on my system.

	Did you try using r the raw device?

							Tim




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Duke Normandin wrote:
> Just lurking & learning.....;)
> 
> Seems that I'm having a similar problem, I think. With "w" and "who" show 
> nothing in the FROM field except when I ftp/telnet from my win9x box I 
> see mandy or 10.0.0.2 in there. Is this correct behavior?

When you're logged in from a local terminal, the host field is empty.
This is correct behavior.  It'd be redundant to put 'localhost' in
there since that's the only possible value if you're on a local
terminal.

As to why it alternates between 'mandy' and '10.0.0.2', as I said
before, different programs write either a hostname or numeric address
to the ut_host field (what shows up as the "from" field in w(1)).  I
believe ftp writes a hostname, while telnet writes a numeric address.

While this particular case could probably be fixed, there are simply
too many programs which cause a write to utmp/wtmp to make them all
consistent.  w(1) sort of works around this problem by
indiscriminately performing DNS lookups on everything it sees in
ut_host.  The drawback of this approach is that if the hostname can't
be resolved, or latency to the authoritative server is high, it
blocks.  This means that if you have a user logged in on a
low-numbered terminal--one that w(1) would show at the top of the
list--ttyp0, for example--whose IP address doesn't resolve, it may
take a bit--about a minute--for w(1) to display the rest of the list.

> 
> /etc/hosts
> 
> 127.0.0.1   localhost
> 127.0.0.1   odie.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca     odie
> 10.0.0.1    odie.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca     odie
> 10.0.0.2    mandy.rockingd.calgary.ab.ca     mandy
> 
> Do I have the correct format/syntax for /etc/hosts?

Yes.

> 
> /etc/resolv.conf is empty - I think that this is correct.

If you're using DNS, it shouldn't be empty.  See resolver(5) for details.

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> > > I have an ATAPI CD-RW drive.
> > > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE.
> > > The cdrecord port says it works with ATAPI CD-RW/CD-R.
> > > The /usr/share/examples/worm/burnit.sh is SCSI specific.
> > > The cdrecord keeps complaining that it needs a SCSI
> > > device.
> > > 
> > > Does anyone have an ATAPI version of burnit.sh they want to
> > > share?
> 
> > Most of us probably use burncd to do our ATAPI cdrom burning.
> 
> 	Unfortunately there are now two ATAPI CDRW threads running, but oh
> well.  I dug up the mail sent to me by a guy using OpenBSD to record on
> the plexwriter 10/12/32  using cdrecord.

The "cdrecord" soloution, according to the autor, only works
if the IDE atached ATAPI drive is registered under the SCSI
subsystem, which it is in OpenBSD, but apparently isn't in
FreeBSD.

I have yet to look, since I have to reboot, but there is also
apparently a /sbin/burncd which should be used with ATAPI drives;
until I reboot, I won't know if this is part of the base system,
or if it comes in as a package or port.

There are apparently timing problems, unless you use "team",
per the burnit.sh in the /usr/share/examples/worm.  My best
guess would be that using rtprio in the same way as the script
couldn't hurt.

A reference that claims to be authroitative can be located at:

  <http://www.defcon1.org/html/Hardware_Articles/Zip-drive/Zip-Parallel/Wheel-Mouse/atapi.burning>

I have yet to try this, so it might just be a complex formula
for creating coasters.  8-).


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Tim McMillen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > Terry Lambert wrote:
> > > I have an ATAPI CD-RW drive.
> > > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE.
> > > The cdrecord port says it works with ATAPI CD-RW/CD-R.
> > > The /usr/share/examples/worm/burnit.sh is SCSI specific.
> > > The cdrecord keeps complaining that it needs a SCSI
> > > device.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have an ATAPI version of burnit.sh they want to
> > > share?
> 
> > Most of us probably use burncd to do our ATAPI cdrom burning.
> 
>         Unfortunately there are now two ATAPI CDRW threads running, but oh
> well.  I dug up the mail sent to me by a guy using OpenBSD to record on
> the plexwriter 10/12/32  using cdrecord.
> 
> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Andre Lucas wrote:
> >
> > It worked fine for me, "cdrecord dev=/dev/rcd1c -v speed 12 <iso-file>"
> > > did the job. rcd1c is the second cd drive on my system.
> 
>         Did you try using r the raw device?

That is what I have to use. On my system it is /dev/acd0c.

Kent

> 
>                                                         Tim

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> Is their any way to make it so ps -awx as a normal
> user only shows their processes ie ps -wux or
> something close to that. I've seen another server
> do that I was wondering how to do it for my box.

Since what ps does isn't privileged, you can't stop someone from
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However, disabling the 'a' flag in /usr/src/bin/ps/ps.c is a one-line
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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 06:54:39PM -0500, Tim McMillen wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Aaron Shaw wrote:
> > I'm running 4.1.1-RELEASE and need a CDRW drive that will work with
> > Soren's /usr/sbin/burncd program.  We tried a new Plextor and it
> > was a dismal failure.  Suggestions?  Yamaha, HP?  Particular models?
> 
> What plextor drive did you try?  I've heard specifically from someone that
> they got the plexwriter 10/12/32 to work fine.  What errors did you
> receive?  Are you sure it wasn't just a random piece of bad hardware?  I'm
> curious because the plexwriter has gotten extremely high reviews for
> reliability, so I'm looking to buy one to use with FreeBSD.

We tried the 12/10/32A model that you are referring to.  It seemed to
write to the disc OK but wouldn't fixate the media at the end.  OpenBSD
works with these drives because cdrecord sees it as a SCSI device
through an ATAPI-SCSI translation layer.  That's the theory, anyway.



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> I came across a web site that tests network security.  I ran it on my
> router running FBSD 4.2S w/ipfil 3.4.8.  Part of the results came back
> saying that port 514 that syslog was using was insecure and they sent a
> little message to the syslog daemon ==>
> 
> Nov 28 12:59:09 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 225/200 pps
> 
> Nov 28 12:59:12 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 236/200 pps
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> Nov 28 12:59:15 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 228/200 pps
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> I checked out some man pages and came across running syslogd in secure
> mode with the -s option.  Is this recommended, to make syslogd be more
> secure?  What file would I put this option in?  (I didn't know where to
> enable -s)  Or should I just block off port 514 coming in from the
> internet on the firewall??
> Thanks
> trini0

4.2 should be running syslogd with the -s flag by default. Check
/etc/defaults/rc.conf to verify that syslogd_enable="YES" and
syslogd_flags="-s". If so, then check /etc/rc.conf to verify that they
aren't changed. If syslogd_enable is not set to "YES", then something
else is listening on the syslog port, and you need to deal with that
something else.

Also, your mailer is sending HTML as well as plain text. Please make
it stop, and just send plain text.

	<mike

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Aaron Shaw writes:
> I'm running 4.1.1-RELEASE and need a CDRW drive that will work with
> Soren's /usr/sbin/burncd program.  We tried a new Plextor and it
> was a dismal failure.  Suggestions?  Yamaha, HP?  Particular models?
>  
> While I'm at it, how does one rip audio from music CDs using one   
> of these IDE drives (in the format that burncd can write back)?  There
> are about 42 ways to do it with SCSI stuff but IDE is a mystery.

This weekend Best Buy advertised a Sony 12/8/32 for $150 after $80 of 
rebates. Was there a few minutes after opening and snagged one. Forgot 
what the letters are before and after, but the numbers in the middle of 
the model number is 160.

Took far less time to figure out "burncd -f /dev/acd0c -e -s 12 data
4.2-RELEASE.iso fixate" than it took to install the $%^&@ Windows
software (which I waited until the next day to attempt). Installing the 
Windows software was easier than running it.

Yup, it really did burn at 12x. Watched the device thruput with 
systat -v, and inserted "time " in front of "burncd ..." and it 
finished in just over 6-1/2 minutes. On Memorex 12 blanks which were 
$0.13 each (qty 50) after rebates (who needs CD-RW when CD-R throw 
aways are so cheap?)


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Kent Stewart writes:
> 
> Most of us probably use burncd to do out ATAPI cdrom burning.

Gee, I thought cdrecord's ATAPI support was heavily tied to the Linux 
SCSI emulation layer? Didn't even think to look and see if it would do 
my Sony 160E as had assumed burncd was the only way. And may still be 
the only way.

Must say I'm terribly pleased with burncd. Used cdrecord in the past on 
SCSI CD-R's, under FreeBSD and Irix, and can't say I loved the way it 
locked up the system for 5 or 10 seconds when starting.

I'm wondering about burncd for SCSI CD-R/RW's...

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> The cdrecord port says it works with ATAPI CD-RW/CD-R.
> 
> The /usr/share/examples/worm/burnit.sh is SCSI specific.
> 
> The cdrecord keeps complaining that it needs a SCSI
> device.
> 
> Does anyone have an ATAPI version of burnit.sh they want to
> share?

	I use burncd... www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd gives good
pointers on how to use it. :)

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Tim McMillen wrote:
>         Nope, they're called win-modems for a reason.  They have
> proprietary drivers that so far only work with windows.  Some have been
> written for Linux, but I've never heard of anybody getting one of those
> "linmodem" drivers to work with FreeBSD.

I got a Lucent win-modem running in Linux with a binary driver from
Lucent. It came with my Toshiba laptop. It worked but I later used a
PCMCIA LAN card :-)

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I was browsing -questions just now, and found your message.
Have a look at http://freebsddiary.org/favicon.html which
may have exactly what you want.  I can't take credit for
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On 28 Nov 00 at 9:07, Igor' Robul' wrote:

>On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 09:43:01AM +0000, Duke Normandin wrote:
>> So.....the output on my win95 box is:
>This is "host only". I think. It can't forward packets between network
>interfaces. I think, you can have two netcards in Win95 box. You can
>even "be in two networks" as client workstation, but  PC on 1st net
>will not "see" PC on 2nd net.
>With Unix or NT you can: 
>                 PC_with_Unix_or_NT
>PC1--PC2<------->NC1            NC2<--------------->PC3----PC4
>you can use "ping" on PC1: ping PC4 and you'll get response (if you
>have not setup firewall on "PC_with_Unix_or_NT")
>But, in this configuration:
>                        Windows_95_PC
>PC1---PC2_with_UNIX<--->NC1       NC2<----->PC3-------PC4
>
>you can use ping on Windows_95_PC: "ping PC1" or "ping PC4"
>but on 
>PC2_with_UNIX or PC1 you can't: ping PC4

So in a nutshell, win95 can only "route" packets originating from itself.
Bummer.... I was grasping at "Win-blown" straws I guess ;,) Thanks...

-duke
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I have done something like this,

set callback cbcp
set cbcp 12345678

the network access server know it is a cbcp call,and it call back to my 
freebsd, but the freebsd do not answer it.
Is it necessary to set up a ppp server to answer the incoming call?



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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Aaron Shaw wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 06:54:39PM -0500, Tim McMillen wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Aaron Shaw wrote:
> > > I'm running 4.1.1-RELEASE and need a CDRW drive that will work with
> > > Soren's /usr/sbin/burncd program.  We tried a new Plextor and it
> > > was a dismal failure.  Suggestions?  Yamaha, HP?  Particular models?
> > 
> > What plextor drive did you try?  I've heard specifically from someone that
> > they got the plexwriter 10/12/32 to work fine.  What errors did you
> > receive?  Are you sure it wasn't just a random piece of bad hardware?  I'm
> > curious because the plexwriter has gotten extremely high reviews for
> > reliability, so I'm looking to buy one to use with FreeBSD.
> 
> We tried the 12/10/32A model that you are referring to.  It seemed to
> write to the disc OK but wouldn't fixate the media at the end.  

Couldn't that be a relatively easily resolved driver issue?

> OpenBSD
> works with these drives because cdrecord sees it as a SCSI device
> through an ATAPI-SCSI translation layer.  That's the theory, anyway.

	I had forgotten about that.

						Tim



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I have a dual Pentium Pro system with a PR440FX chipset. It uses the LM78
system management IC, and it appears to work just fine in Windows. (or so
I was told - I've only used BSD since I've had the machine). The PCB
revision is 673289-507, which is a later board rev than the version with a
malfunctioning temperature sensing system.

Regardless, when I start the healthd daemon, it immediately craps out, and
dumps a core. Is there anyway to get this daemon to work, or are there any
alternate system monitor utilities for BSD that will work on this
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> I have done something like this,
> 
> set callback cbcp
> set cbcp 12345678
> 
> the network access server know it is a cbcp call,and it call back to my 
> freebsd, but the freebsd do not answer it.
> Is it necessary to set up a ppp server to answer the incoming call?

Yes, 'fraid so.

-- 
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Sorry for not including all pertinate info:

I am using FreeBSD 4.1-R, and the healthd version is 0.5.4

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Something has been racking at my brain for quite a while now. I have a 3com
3c509 network card on 1 machine which is on a small network with 3 other
machines. The network card comes up without a problem but when I try to ping
other machines it will happily send out pings but will not receive a reply.
it willl telnet or ssh itself by loopback and by its own network card, I
have not blocked any ports nor have I setup any type of a firewall. I am
running version 4.0
I'm not sure whether it makes any difference or not but it didnt work right
after the install nor did it work after recompiling the kernel. Any help
would be greatly appreciated,
Matt

 I think the output of dmesg would be helpful, and maybe even the output of
ifconfig ep0.  Without some more info it is hard to say what the problem is,
but I have had 3c509s in the past try to share irqs with other devices in
the system.  The results have always been a little odd...they would work for
a while and then stop, and all sorts of other random weirdness.

Josh




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Sorry to all about the html post.....:(

syslog_enable to yes and flag set to -s in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, but it wasn't in my /etc/rc.conf file.
I inserted them there and rebooted.  Now my ? is does the system look at both /etc/defaults/rc.conf & /etc/rc.conf when it boots up and starts what is necessary???  If that was the case then there was no need to
modify my /etc/rc.conf.  Is there a way to find out what state a daemon is running in?? ie if syslog is running in secure mode or not.
Thanks
trini0

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> > I came across a web site that tests network security.  I ran it on my
> > router running FBSD 4.2S w/ipfil 3.4.8.  Part of the results came back
> > saying that port 514 that syslog was using was insecure and they sent a
> > little message to the syslog daemon ==>
> >
> > Nov 28 12:59:09 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 225/200 pps
> >
> > Nov 28 12:59:12 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 236/200 pps
> >
> > Nov 28 12:59:15 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 228/200 pps
> >
> > Nov 28 12:59:21 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 201/200 pps
> >
> > I checked out some man pages and came across running syslogd in secure
> > mode with the -s option.  Is this recommended, to make syslogd be more
> > secure?  What file would I put this option in?  (I didn't know where to
> > enable -s)  Or should I just block off port 514 coming in from the
> > internet on the firewall??
> > Thanks
> > trini0
>
> 4.2 should be running syslogd with the -s flag by default. Check
> /etc/defaults/rc.conf to verify that syslogd_enable="YES" and
> syslogd_flags="-s". If so, then check /etc/rc.conf to verify that they
> aren't changed. If syslogd_enable is not set to "YES", then something
> else is listening on the syslog port, and you need to deal with that
> something else.
>
> Also, your mailer is sending HTML as well as plain text. Please make
> it stop, and just send plain text.
>
>         <mike
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Hey guys,

I recently upgraded to FreeBSD 4.2-Release from 4.1.1-Release and
I realized that I now receive
the following timeout messages on boot (rather annoying cause it
increases boottime):

ata2-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata2-slave: identify failed
ata2-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata2-master: identify failed
ata3-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata3-slave: identify failed
ata3-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata3-master: identify failed

After getting these, I rebooted after doing some stuff (ie snes9x) and I
noticed it doens't give me those messages.
So, i concluded that it only does it every once and a while.  Anyways,
I tried booting with my previous 4.1.1 kernel
and i still receive these timeout messages.

Has anyone had a similar problem?

PS I have an ATA100 Promise controller on my Asus A7V if it helps.

Thanks!



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From owner-freebsd-questions  Tue Nov 28 19: 5:18 2000
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I have been try to install FreeBSD for the past week, using 4.2 and 4.1.1.
Every time I have done so, I get an error after the installation is over,
during boot up.  One of three errors have come up.  "Invalid Partition
Table,"  "Missing Operating System" or "No /boot/loader".

The hardware that I have in the box is a Abit BP6 motherboard, two 40 gig
harddrives, 256 megs of ram, two Celeron 366's, a Netgear NIC, and an ISA
video card.

I was hoping you would know why I would get an error like this.  I have
tried using only 1 harddrive and making a 1.2 gig partition with standard
MBR and that didn't work.  I was hoping that you could help me figure out
either, what I am doing wrong, or possible problems and solutions to that
problem.  Any and all help is appreciated.

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The exact same thing happens on mine A7V. I'd say grin and bear it if 
you have to use the ATA100 controler. If the boot time is a problem for 
you, then try using the ATA66 controler instead. I have not found a way 
to stop these pauses and messages while using the ATA100 controler.

sjohnson wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> I recently upgraded to FreeBSD 4.2-Release from 4.1.1-Release and
> I realized that I now receive
> the following timeout messages on boot (rather annoying cause it
> increases boottime):
> 
> ata2-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
> ata2-slave: identify failed
> ata2-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
> ata2-master: identify failed
> ata3-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
> ata3-slave: identify failed
> ata3-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
> ata3-master: identify failed
> 
> After getting these, I rebooted after doing some stuff (ie snes9x) and I
> noticed it doens't give me those messages.
> So, i concluded that it only does it every once and a while.  Anyways,
> I tried booting with my previous 4.1.1 kernel
> and i still receive these timeout messages.
> 
> Has anyone had a similar problem?
> 
> PS I have an ATA100 Promise controller on my Asus A7V if it helps.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
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Hi.

I have been messing with this problem for several weeks.
Turns out the problem has nothing to do with the BSD driver or the =
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The problem was that my SDRAM was not set up correctly in my BIOS.

profile: motherboard =3D EPOX : EP-MVP3G2 w/ATA66 Maxstor HD and 128Meg =
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I'm wondering if anyone has the frequency settings for a Compaq MV500=20
monitor.  The documentation says it can do 75hz at 800x600 and 60hz at=20
1024x768 at 16bpp.  In case you don't know the frequency settngs, would y=
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I think I read once in the Complete FreeBSD book how to do the calculatio=
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Terry Omond wrote:
>    I want to build a machine to run FreeBSD.  Appendix F of the FreeBSD
handbook appears to be a few years out of date.  Is there any current
information available on hassle free hardware for FreeBSD?

	Yes it does seem out of date.  Jordan is a busy guy.  I don't know
if there is anything like it up to date.  You may want to check
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.TXT
for the latest supported hardware.
	Best bet after that unfortunately is to look through the mailing
list archives to see what others experience has been.  Go through until
you find well supported items for each piece.   As one part somebody's
personal opinion at the Xfree86 project is that matrox video cards are
particularly well supported.
	It seems that few people have enough personal experience with a
wide range of hardware to make the recommendations and those that do are
too busy.

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Tim McMillen writes:
> 
> > This weekend Best Buy advertised a Sony 12/8/32 for $150 after $80 of 
> > rebates. Was there a few minutes after opening and snagged one. Forgot
> 
> Bummer, can't believe I missed it.

Heard today a local friend headed out there on A Mission To Buy That
CD-RW and got one. On Tuesday. Not sure when the sale is over.

> > what the letters are before and after, but the numbers in the middle of 
> > the model number is 160.
> 
> Could you check the box as soon as you have a chance?  I'd be interested.
> Is it a spressa?  Probably others on the list would be interseted in the
> model number too.

CRX160E-A1 as in: http://www.storagebysony.com/products/crx160e-a1.html

Box says its a Spressa. Don't know what significance that has.

> Could you comment on the quality of it?

It doesn't shake the way the 32X Hitachi CDROM did when spinning at top
speed. It fit in my case. Connectors and screw holes lined up. It reads
everything I've asked it to. It has written everything I've asked it to
(about (8) 12x Memorex 650MB/74min CD-R's). Guess it plays music too
because NT tried to play a music CD I wanted to make a "working copy" of
for possible destruction in my car's glove box.

> > Took far less time to figure out "burncd -f /dev/acd0c -e -s 12 data
> > 4.2-RELEASE.iso fixate" than it took to install the $%^&@ Windows
> > software (which I waited until the next day to attempt). Installing the 
> > Windows software was easier than running it.
> 
> 	Hmm... thats sooo strange.  I've never heard of that on windows
> before! :) Does it lock your computer sometimes and refuse to let you use
> certain other hardware with it too?  

I also have a Panasonic SCSI 7502 CD-R 8x read 4x write. The Sony "CD
Express" software says something about SCSI and might work with this
drive too (haven't tried). I need to find some nice short 12" or 18"
SCSI cables so I can connect my external DDS drive and my external
Panasonic CD-R at the same time. But have been thinking about hooking
both CD-R's up at the same time and try to make coasters by burning two
at once.

The CD Express package bundled with the Sony drive wants to use C:\TEMP\
for scratch but I have only 150 MB free on C:, 1,800 on F: so in Options
I set F:\TEMP\ and it still won't because "not enough space on the
temporary drive". Took about 30 minutes of trying every fool pretty icon
command before most the way across the command strip I got into the
"Disc Explorer" where I could view the current CD's tracks. And noticed
a button in the bottom right corner saying, "Global Image" or such,
something GI, which I noted earlier is the extension they use for their
disc images. Finally I could manually copy an image to HD. Then
elsewhere write that back out to CD. See how easy this GUI makes burncd 
look?  :-)

I need to figure out the right way to read raw CD images with dd in
FreeBSD as after making a 4.2-RELEASE I thought to use dd to read it
piped into md5 to make sure it was the same as the image burncd used.
Believe it was shorter coming off the CD-R. Used to do this using
cdrecord to read the size of the image off CDROM, then subtracting two
2048 byte blocks from that, dd was happy and accurate. Think in writing
this I found my problem as "systat -v" showed 32k blocks being written,
I used 32k to read with dd, and fell short because an exact multiple of
32k wasn't written in the first place. At least that's my guess.

> Wow, I don't even know how to interpret the output of systat -v!
> Thanks for any detail you could give.

Much of systat is nonsense to me too, but bottom left corner of 
"systat-v" is something I understand:

Disks   da0   da1  acd0   sa0   sa1   fd0 pass0
KB/t   0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00 
tps       0     0     0     0     0     0     0
MB/s   0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00  0.00 
% busy    0     0     0     0     0     0     0

Where "acd0" and "MB/s" (megabytes/sec) intersect was 1.76 most of the
time during the burn. The "KB/t" (kilobytes per transaction) line said
32. "tps" is Transactions Per Second.


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From owner-freebsd-questions  Tue Nov 28 20:19:15 2000
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This is in reference to my post earlier this month "Natd redirect address
not working in 4.1.1 Help Please ??" and how I got it resolved. Credit for
the solution goes to Daniel Charboneau. I'm posting this to help others who
may encounter the same problem and also ask the seasoned pro's if this might
be a bug, or is it just how natd works ?
The brief story:
Using the redirect_address option with natd would not work to access a box
inside the firewall with a certain set of ip numbers. However it worked fine
using a different set of ip numbers. I re-created the problem on some spare
equipment. If anyone wants to investigate further drop me a note for the
numbers I was using.

This was resolved by Daniel's suggestion that I alias the address on my
public side, then redirect it to the private side address.
This is what went into my /etc./rc.conf:
natd_enable="YES"                # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES).
natd_interface="fxp0"           # Public interface or IPaddress to use.
natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf"
#External Interface... the aliasing allows it to listen and respond to
multiple ip's on one NIC.
ifconfig_fxp0_alias0="inet 216.xxx.xxx.1 netmask 255.255.255.224" #public
natd interface
ifxonfig_fxp0_alias1="inet 216.xxx.xxx.2 netmask 255.255.255.224" #public ip
to be redirected in.
#Internal Interface
ifconfig_fxp1="inet 10.130.25.9 netmask 255.255.0.0"

And in /etc/natd.conf
redirect_address 10.130.5.2  216.xxx.xxx.2

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I have attempted to install 4.2-release on a machine of
mine.  Most of the install goes fine, but I start to see
"HARD WRITE ERROR" 's during the remaking all devices
stage.  Upon reboot, I receive the same error during
activities which seem to need to write to the harddrive(
a vi session, installing a new kernel, etc).  This machine
was running 4.1.1(and 4.1 and 4.0 before that) with no
problems.

The errors disappeared when I went back to 4.1.1,
so I will run that for now... but does anyone know what
would cause those errors in 4.2, and how I can correct that?
The drive being installed on is an older western digital
drive(1.5 gig IDE), and I have tried turning DMA off in the
bios with no luck.

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* data <dataklei@home.com> [001128 21:01] wrote:
> >> I got XFree86 installed in FreeBSD4.2
> >> When I try to run "XFree86 -configure" i get the following output/error:
> >> XF86EnableIO: failed to open /dev/io for extended I/O
> >>
> >> heres the error in the log:
> >>
> >> checkDevMem: failed to open /dev/mem (operation not permitted)
> >> linear framebuffer access unavailable
> >>
> >> any idea how to fix this?
> >> I have checked the faw and posted questions on newsgroups and
> freebsddiary.org and no one seems to know. Please help!
> >> thanks,
> >> data
> >
> >Not my expertise, maybe someone else will chip in, but it
> >says it's a permissions problem, which would suggest that /dev/mem
> >has incorrect permissions or you are not root when you run
> >XFree86 -configure"
> >
> Hey... I have tried everything I know and no one has any idea why I get this
> error.
> I decided to forward you this email which I sent to the XFree86 dev team (or
> whoever xfree86@ goes to). As you can see they didn't know how to fix it.
> You guys have any idea?

This belongs on -questions.

Either run "XFree86 -configure" as root, or if you running it as
root and having problems, then make sure you haven't raised the
kernel security level.

-Alfred


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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 01:09:11PM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> Most run very well, let us know if you have a problem.
Some Linux games, Myth II from Loki does not work :-(

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 10:41:14AM -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> The .iso file is an image that is meant to be burned to a CD.  I don't know
> of any way to use it other than to burn it to a CD.
If you don't know then wait. If there are not other answers then
answer with "I don't know"

man vnconfig
man vn

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Joey Garcia wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has the frequency settings for a Compaq MV500
> monitor.  The documentation says it can do 75hz at 800x600 and 60hz at
> 1024x768 at 16bpp.  In case you don't know the frequency settngs, would you
> know settings for 800x600 at 75hz with an ATI Rage LT Pro chip?
> 
> I think I read once in the Complete FreeBSD book how to do the calculations
> for the modelines and stuff, but I can't seem to find my book. :(  Maybe I
> can dind that information online somewhere?
> 
> Usually, when I setup X all I do is plug in the numbers given in the monitor
> manual and hope that XF86Setup does everything correctly, but the manual to
> this monitor sucks!

You could use xvidtune in order to print out the desired settings for your
monitor/adapter combination.

I know that I did do a from scratch optimal resolution/frequency using a step by
step linux howto included in the docs distributed with XFree86-3.3.x.  Although
if I remember correctly it did require that you know both the horizontal and
vertical restraints of the monitor to achieve the accurate calculations.  I
think in the outcome of my calculations I ended up with 968x7?? resolution at
72Hz.

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Actually you can:
man vn
man vnconfig

RSN

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Josh Paetzel wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "..green" <green@prokk.net>
> To: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 8:36 AM
> Subject: help plz
> 
> 
> > hi !
> > i download your last release (4.2) in one iso file
> >
> > can i mount this file as file system ?
> > i read about it, but i can' remember how can i do this..
> >
> > plz help me
> > thanx
> >
> >
> 
> The .iso file is an image that is meant to be burned to a CD.  I don't know
> of any way to use it other than to burn it to a CD.
> 
> Josh
> 
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- Hello I have never had this issue when I am using the apsfilter to setup my
printers in FreeBSD
- Maybe you should try settting up your printers using apsfilter 
- you can install apsfilter from www.freebsd.org/ports


On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Rink Springer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've installed FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE on a server here (AMD K6-2 333MHz, 64MB
> RAM), which does gatewaying, firewalling, NATd and finally, samba, samba for
> printing.
> 
> The box works like a charm, but printing doesn't. The printer connected to
> it is an Epson Stylus Color 600, hooked to /dev/lpt0. When I print the
> Windoze test page, it works (lpq happily says the file is 200KB, and it gets
> printed).
> 
> However, whenever I try to print some image that is about 1MB in the print
> queue, the printer prints a small part, and the rest will not be printed. In
> fact, the entire queue entry is gone!
> 
> Does anyone know what has caused this? I noticed some stray IRQ 7's, but
> even if I enable polling mode (using lptcontrol -p), it doesn't work. I need
> to get this printer working soon. It worked fine using RedHat Linux 6.1.
> 
> Anyone, please?
> 
> Thanks!
> --Rink
> 
> 
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This is a common question, and the most common answer is:

They run very well, and for the most part better than on native Linux.

RSN

On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 BCray@SARCOM.COM wrote:

> how well do linux applications run in freebsd with linux enabled.
> 
> Brian Cray (bcray@sarcom.com)
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-Hello
- This is the second time someone has asked this question to the freebsd
mailing list

- In response I typed:

-Install apsfilter from the www.freebsd.org/ports/
- This will "ideally" do everything for you automatically

Or maybe even try:

-Making sure you have lpd running as a process
- lpr postscriptfile.ps to create a test print to see if it works




On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Daniel Leal wrote:
> Hello all !
> 
> I'm trying to setup my hp deskjet 815C printer. I am following the handbook
> instructions. But when I did:
> lptest > /dev/lpt0
> I got:
> /dev/lpt0    device busy
> Can someone help me please?
> 
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Subject: Linux Emulation
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:20:52 -0800
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Hi,

A few days ago, BCray@SARCOM.COM wrote asking how well linux emulation works
under FreeBSD.  Later, in responce,  Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> Most run very well, let us know if you have a problem.

Well,  I actually have a problem.  First of all, I'm wondering if linux_base
for FreeBSD emulates glibc as well as libc5.  That I am not sure.

Anyways, I tried downloading snes9x 1.33a for Linux glibc and I can't get it
working.  For those who don't know,
it's an SNES emulator which can run under x11.  The X window loads up and
everything, the text which is displayed to the console appears, but nothing
happens after that (blank black window).

And, for regular linux programs that use libvga.so, the only way I can fool
them to thinking it's a linux native is by creating symbolic links to
/usr/lib/libvga.so.1 from /compat/linux/......./libvga.so.  Is there another
way to do this?  brandelfing to linux doesn't seem to help.

Thanks you guys!

PS - If you have the time, please download a tarball of it from
www.snes9x.com if you feel your linux emulation is fully functional.  Thanks
again



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I usually do a minimal install and then add other stuff gradually,
but I was not able to select 'minimal' with the FreeBSD-4.2 Release.
(4.2-install.iso from Tucows)

It's not a problem as another selection worked fine, but may be worth
a mention in errata.txt.


By using the syscons colour options from LINT I now have red on black
and then green on black boot messages; groovy :-)

Thanks,
John.


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* Mike Batchelor <smujohnson@home.com> [001128 23:20] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A few days ago, BCray@SARCOM.COM wrote asking how well linux emulation works
> under FreeBSD.  Later, in responce,  Alfred Perlstein wrote:
> > Most run very well, let us know if you have a problem.
> 
> Well,  I actually have a problem.  First of all, I'm wondering if linux_base
> for FreeBSD emulates glibc as well as libc5.  That I am not sure.
> 
> Anyways, I tried downloading snes9x 1.33a for Linux glibc and I can't get it
> working.  For those who don't know,
> it's an SNES emulator which can run under x11.  The X window loads up and
> everything, the text which is displayed to the console appears, but nothing
> happens after that (blank black window).
> 
> And, for regular linux programs that use libvga.so, the only way I can fool
> them to thinking it's a linux native is by creating symbolic links to
> /usr/lib/libvga.so.1 from /compat/linux/......./libvga.so.  Is there another
> way to do this?  brandelfing to linux doesn't seem to help.
> 
> Thanks you guys!
> 
> PS - If you have the time, please download a tarball of it from
> www.snes9x.com if you feel your linux emulation is fully functional.  Thanks
> again

We'd rather not waste time working on that when there's a working
port in the ports tree of snes9x.

As far as vgalib stuff, do you have an example of that?

I don't think we support the svgalib stuff, but I could be
wrong.

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In the last episode (Nov 29), Mike Batchelor said:
> Well,  I actually have a problem.  First of all, I'm wondering if
> linux_base for FreeBSD emulates glibc as well as libc5.  That I am
> not sure.

All the "linux_base" does is install most of a RedHat 6.1 system into
/usr/compat/linux.  If "libc.so.6" is glibc, then it's included.
 
> Anyways, I tried downloading snes9x 1.33a for Linux glibc and I can't
> get it working.  For those who don't know, it's an SNES emulator
> which can run under x11.  The X window loads up and everything, the
> text which is displayed to the console appears, but nothing happens
> after that (blank black window).

Try /usr/ports/emulators/snes9x.

> And, for regular linux programs that use libvga.so, the only way I
> can fool them to thinking it's a linux native is by creating symbolic
> links to /usr/lib/libvga.so.1 from /compat/linux/......./libvga.so. 
> Is there another way to do this?  brandelfing to linux doesn't seem
> to help.

I wouldn't expect svgalib programs to work; our console is too
different from Linuxes.
 
> PS - If you have the time, please download a tarball of it from
> www.snes9x.com if you feel your linux emulation is fully functional. 
> Thanks again

The Linux emulation is good enough to run Linux Netscape, Staroffice
and Oracle8; it's only lacking in places where Linux lets apps hit the
hardware directly (svgalib, scsi passthrough devices, etc).

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On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 03:37:13PM -0800, Kelsey Cummings wrote:
> When a user edits thier crontab (crontab -e) on a recently upgraded 4.2
> box, they get this error:
> 
> "crontab.ALkxt20176" 4L, 313C written
> crontab: temp file must be edited in place
> 
> Root can, however, run `crontab -u user -e` and it works just fine.  Any
> suggestions?  Did I miss something?

Find the 'crontab -e' thread on freebsd-stable from Nov. 13th or
so. This issue was discussed. Broken editor, IIRC.
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Hi,
If I can telnet with port 25 & 110, is this mean the mail server is working?
But when I go into the system directory, I can't find
/usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf/cf
or even /usr/src/usr.sbin
So, is this mean the sendmail is not install and configure correctlly?
If yes, what should I do?
If I want to have POP and IMAP, can I use qmail? or I need other ports?

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[Please wrap your lines at about 70 columns or so for those of us with
RFC compliant MUAs. Your paragraphs are all on one line.]

On Sun, Nov 19, 2000 at 07:30:38PM -0500, CARA wrote:
> Something has been racking at my brain for quite a while now. I have a 3com 3c509 network card on 1 machine which is on a small network with 3 other machines. The network card comes up without a problem but when I try to ping other machines it will happily send out pings but will not receive a reply. it willl telnet or ssh itself by loopback and by its own network card, I have not blocked any ports nor have I setup any type of a firewall. I am running version 4.0
> I'm not sure whether it makes any difference or not but it didnt work right after the install nor did it work after recompiling the kernel. Any help would be greatly appreciated, 

I've got two machines (FreeBSD 5.0 and OpenBSD 2.7) with 3C509s,

  ep0: <3Com 3C509-TP EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0

And both seem to be working fine.

What is your,

  $ dmesg
  $ ifconfig ep0
  $ tcpdump -i ep0

Output? How do you know it is sending out pings? When you telnet to
your own IP address, it goes through the loopback, not the NIC. That
says nothing about the NIC.
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> > Most of us probably use burncd to do out ATAPI cdrom burning.
> 
> Gee, I thought cdrecord's ATAPI support was heavily tied to the Linux 
> SCSI emulation layer? Didn't even think to look and see if it would do 
> my Sony 160E as had assumed burncd was the only way. And may still be 
> the only way.

The ATAPI/SCSI stuff is missing in FreeBSD.  OpenBSD has it.


> Must say I'm terribly pleased with burncd. Used cdrecord in the past on 
> SCSI CD-R's, under FreeBSD and Irix, and can't say I loved the way it 
> locked up the system for 5 or 10 seconds when starting.
> 
> I'm wondering about burncd for SCSI CD-R/RW's...

I think the lockup is starting up team and dd at rtprio 5 to
keep the CDROM writer streaming, regardless of whatever else
is running on the system.

I'm using rtprio 5 with burncd (now that I have it working: you
should definitely install mkisofs from packages instead of ports
because of the wierd "apple patch" that it wants if you try it
from ports).

I'm guessing that use of rtprio is detrimental to other processes,
regardless of which program you are running... 8-).


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hello,

i tried to install FreeBSD 2.2.5 on old 486sx33 and found out one
problem.
When i send mail from console ( #mail user) it takes 1 min to put it in
user's
mailbox. And when i send or get messages from Outlook Express or
Netscape Messanger it takes about 2 min to start delivery.
Why? What should i do?



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[redirected to -questions; I don't consider this an in-depth technical
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 21:03:10 +0100, Rink Springer wrote:
> [Posted this to questions too, but no one appeared to know.. maybe someone
> here does?]
>
> Hi,
>
> I've installed FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE on a server here (AMD K6-2 333MHz, 64MB
> RAM), which does gatewaying, firewalling, NATd and finally, samba, samba for
> printing.
>
> The box works like a charm, but printing doesn't. The printer connected to
> it is an Epson Stylus Color 600, hooked to /dev/lpt0. When I print the
> Windoze test page, it works (lpq happily says the file is 200KB, and it gets
> printed).
>
> However, whenever I try to print some image that is about 1MB in the print
> queue, the printer prints a small part, and the rest will not be printed. In
> fact, the entire queue entry is gone!
>
> Does anyone know what has caused this? I noticed some stray IRQ 7's, but
> even if I enable polling mode (using lptcontrol -p), it doesn't work. I need
> to get this printer working soon. It worked fine using RedHat Linux 6.1.

I have pretty much the same setup.  Well, the CPU side is the same,
but the printer's a Stylus 740.  If you print documents of this size,
you're probably talking about images.  How do you convert the image?
If you're using filters, let's see them.  Also, you don't have a file
size limit in /etc/printcap, do you?

Greg
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Lehey" <grog@lemis.com>
To: "Rink Springer" <rink@springer.cx>
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> [redirected to -questions; I don't consider this an in-depth technical
> question]
Neither did I, but no one responded there...
>
> On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 21:03:10 +0100, Rink Springer wrote:
> > [Posted this to questions too, but no one appeared to know.. maybe
someone
> > here does?]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've installed FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE on a server here (AMD K6-2 333MHz,
64MB
> > RAM), which does gatewaying, firewalling, NATd and finally, samba, samba
for
> > printing.
> >
> > The box works like a charm, but printing doesn't. The printer connected
to
> > it is an Epson Stylus Color 600, hooked to /dev/lpt0. When I print the
> > Windoze test page, it works (lpq happily says the file is 200KB, and it
gets
> > printed).
> >
> > However, whenever I try to print some image that is about 1MB in the
print
> > queue, the printer prints a small part, and the rest will not be
printed. In
> > fact, the entire queue entry is gone!
> >
> > Does anyone know what has caused this? I noticed some stray IRQ 7's, but
> > even if I enable polling mode (using lptcontrol -p), it doesn't work. I
need
> > to get this printer working soon. It worked fine using RedHat Linux 6.1.
>
> I have pretty much the same setup.  Well, the CPU side is the same,
> but the printer's a Stylus 740.  If you print documents of this size,
> you're probably talking about images.  How do you convert the image?
> If you're using filters, let's see them.  Also, you don't have a file
> size limit in /etc/printcap, do you?
I don't use any filters yet, but I am now compiling apsfilter, as
recommended by some guy on this list. I hope that'll work.

Size limitation? I tried sticking a mx=0 in the config file, but it didn't
work, so I removed it. Let me send you my printcap:

--snip--
epson|Epson Stylus Color 600:\
        :sh:\
        :lp=/dev/lpt0:sd=/var/spool/output/lpd:lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:
--snip--

(all commented stuff has been stripped)

Any idea why this happends?

Thanks!
--Rink

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Dear FreeBSD users,

I'm confused trying to install FreeBSD from UFS media -- this option is
available from the systinstall menu, but isn't documented in the Handbook.

I'm booting from floppy with a blank drive da0. The second drive da1
contains the FreeBSD distrib files. When selecting UFS media for install,
I'm asked a path to the directory containing the distrib files. But how do I
mount the second drive to that directory? I can't find a "mount something"
choice, and the only mount commands available through the emergency
holographic shell are "mount_mfs" and "mount_nfs".

How can I access a UFS partition from sysinstall? How is one supposed to
install from UFS media?

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There's an open PR about this. You have early enough f/w so that the
structured mode page stuff that came in with CCS isn't known yet.

On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Paul Southworth wrote:

> 
> [About a year ago there was a thread on freebsd-questions about Exabyte
> 8200 drives which I would like to revive with the hope that someone found
> a solution.]
> 
> On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Greg Lehey wrote:
> 
> :On Thursday,  2 December 1999 at 15:17:47 -0600, Eric S. Nooden wrote:
> :> At 02:29 PM 12/2/99 -0600, Michael Hughes wrote:
> :>> Eric S. Nooden said in email to me:
> :>>>
> :>>> I am running into some problems trying to mount a tape drive.  When I run:
> :>>>
> :>>> mt -f /dev/nrsa0 rewind   (or any command i.e. status)
> :>>>
> :>>> I get the following error message:
> :>>>
> :>>> (sa0:ahc0:0:4:0): MODE SENSE(06).  CDB:  1a 0 0 0 c 0
> :>>> (sa0:ahc0:0:4:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> :>>>
> :>>> ***I did notice that when the command ran, the light on the tape drive did
> :>>> flash.
> :>>>
> :>>> The file /var/log/messages reports the following about sa0:
> :>>>
> :>>> sa0: at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
> :>>> sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 2680> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device
> :>>> sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers
> 
> I have what appears to be an almost identical drive.  Mine is reported
> as "<EXABYTE EXB-8200 IRM4> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device".
> 
> This was a drive Exabyte made OEM for IBM and was sold in RS/6000s ten
> years ago, white faceplate and round blue eject button.  I am aware that
> it is a piece of crap - if I can make it work this whole machine is going
> to a charitable cause, otherwise the drive goes to the dumpster.
> 
> I have it attached to a SCSI bus with a hard drive attached (id #0).  The
> tape is id #1.  The host adapter is an Adaptec 2930C at id #7.  I have
> verified no SCSI ID conflicts by removing each device and probing.
> 
> I get the exact same error message when I 'mt -f /dev/rsa0 status'.
> 
> I am running a 4.1.1 GENERIC kernel (freshly installed OS).
> 
> :>>> Any help in mounting this beast and get backups done would be appreciated.
> :>>
> :>>   Type changing dup switch 4 to on, on the MX Card.
> :>
> :> Thanks for replying.  I unfortunately must show my ignorance and ask "What
> :> is an MX Card?"  Are you referring to the SCCI controller or a card
> :> physically attached to the tape drive.
> :
> :I believe the MX board is the second from the back ot the unit.  You
> :should see an 8-position DIP switch on the right (looking from the
> :front).  Unfortunately, the units I have have special screws for which
> :I don't have any screwdrivers available here.  I'll see if I can
> :arrange something tomorrow.
> 
> The small screws are Torx T-8 and the large are T-10.  Examining the MX 2
> card DIP block, factory settings were different from what I find on
> Exabyte's web site.  They say default is all switches "off".
> 
> http://www.exabyte.com/suppserv/techsupp/8mm/fullhigh/in0011.html
> 
> On mine, switches 2, 3, 4, 5, and 8 were on by default (ie, for use in an
> RS/6000).
> 
> I tried moving all switches to off, and all switches off but 4 on.
> 
> When switch 4 is _off_ the drive returns an error immediately after an 
> 'mt -f /dev/rsa0 status'.  If switch 4 is _on_ it takes about 10 seconds
> and then returns the same error, after blinking the drive lights and
> making it's little Exabyte tape tensioning noises.
> 
> I realize that Exabyte shipped drives with insane firmware variations
> (especially OEM) but this drive previously worked (a while ago) in a Linux
> box (Intel hardware) with a 1.2 kernel, which seems like a good sign.
> 
> If anyone has the dirt on this drive, please drop me a note.
> 
> --Paul
> 
> Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
> 	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
> FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE #0: Tue Sep 26 00:46:59 GMT 2000
>     jkh@narf.osd.bsdi.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC
> Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
> CPU: Pentium/P54C (99.87-MHz 586-class CPU)
>   Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0x526  Stepping = 6
>   Features=0x1bf<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,MCE,CX8>
> real memory  = 33488896 (32704K bytes)
> config> di sn0
> config> di lnc0
> config> di le0
> config> di ie0
> config> di fe0
> config> di ed0
> config> di cs0
> config> di bt0
> config> di ata1
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> config> di aic0
> config> di aha0
> config> di adv0
> config> q
> avail memory = 28614656 (27944K bytes)
> Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0416000.
> Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc041609c.
> Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug
> md0: Malloc disk
> npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
> npx0: INT 16 interface
> pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
> pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
> isab0: <Intel 82371AB PCI to ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0
> isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
> atapci0: <Intel PIIX4 ATA33 controller> port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0
> atapci0: Busmastering DMA not enabled
> uhci0: <Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller> port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 11 at device 7.2 on pci0
> usb0: <Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller> on uhci0
> usb0: USB revision 1.0
> uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
> uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
> chip1: <Intel 82371AB Power management controller> port 0xfcb0-0xfcbf at device 7.3 on pci0
> ahc0: <Adaptec 2910/15/20/30C SCSI adapter> port 0xec00-0xecff mem 0xfebef000-0xfebeffff irq 9 at device 18.0 on pci0
> aic7850: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs
> pci0: <S3 Trio 64V2/DX/GX graphics accelerator> at 20.0 irq 11
> ep0: <3Com 3C509-Combo EtherLink III> at port 0x300-0x30f irq 10 on isa0
> ep0: Ethernet address 00:a0:24:4d:35:5f
> fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
> fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
> fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
> atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
> atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
> kbd0 at atkbd0
> vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
> sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
> sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
> sio0: type 16550A
> sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
> sio1: type 16550A
> ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
> ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
> ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold
> plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
> lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
> lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
> Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
> sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
> sa0: <EXABYTE EXB-8200 IRM4> Removable Sequential Access SCSI-CCS device 
> sa0: 3.300MB/s transfers
> da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
> da0: <SEAGATE ST15150N 0023> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
> da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15)
> da0: 4095MB (8388315 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 522C)
> Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0 
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0 
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0 
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0 
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0 
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): MODE SENSE(06). CDB: 1a 0 0 0 c 0 
> (sa0:ahc0:0:1:0): ILLEGAL REQUEST
> 
> 
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hi

what other servers besides current.freebsd.org can i download 
a 5.0-current snapshot? This one seems to be down.

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> Especially, the Ethernet NIC adapter and their RAID solutions.. are
they
> supported by FreeBSD?
>
> If you want models, we're talking about one of the models: DL360,
DL380
> and ML350.

Hi,

The DL360 will not boot with SMP support. I'd been trying it with
4.2-RELEASE before I found
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=19338 When I was looking
around for more info. on that problem I found success reports using a
DL380 though. Searching the mailing list archives should dig that
particular message up.

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I'm upgrading FreeBSD from 2.2.5 release to 4.0 and I have problems to
reboot this new version. The name of the hard disk has changed with the new
version and it can´t
be rebooted again with the default "boot" prompt. In the screen appears:
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"can´t find file boot.help"

What can I do?

My PC has two hard disk, one for linux and the second one for FreeBSD.
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	Dear sirs:

	I am a telecommunication engineering student from Polytechnic
University of Catalonia.
	I am trying to install FreeBSD 3.2 from CDROM in a Pentium II MMX, 400
MHz, and 128 MB RAM. I have the following problem: when I choose the
"Skip kernel configuration and continue with installation" option, in
the beginning, I can't go any further, because it seems like the
computer hangs when the "Probing devices" message appears. So, I can't
get to the main installation menu.
	Also, in earlier attempts where the installation program didn't stop at
the "probing devices" message, I could reach the end of it, but a
message "Installation completed with some errors" appeared always. I
looked at the debugging messages appearing in the VTY and there was no
explicit error message.
	Do you have any idea about what can be causing these problems??
	Thanks.


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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Lyall Braidwood wrote:

> I need some help on understanding how to change a skeleton in the /usr/ports
> directory. The current files point to old versions. I would like the latest.
> Can't just change the version in the Makefile as the checksum becomes a
> problem. Can you help me?

Download the file 'ports.tgz' from the FreeBSD FTP site:

  ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.2-RELEASE/ports/

> 
> Lyall Braidwood
> llb@senet.com.au
> 

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if that's the only problem, do a "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes install" to
build and install the newly changed port. Have you tried updating your
ports tree? Check out cvsup if you haven't already.
-Otter


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Hi I have a problem with the chmod. I set the directory /usr/local/ on =
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directory WHY?
I have firewall, can be it for this?

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hii
try the
chmod -R 777 /usr/local


Peter Kasala wrote:

> Hi I have a problem with the chmod. I set the directory /usr/local/ on
> chmod 777. But any user as root don't copy, delete, ...  files in this
> directory WHY?I have firewall, can be it for this? Odosielateµ: HEITEC
> Slovensko spol. s r.o.
>                    Automatizácia a informaèné technológie
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Would someone suggest where to find information on the various kernel =
security levels available in 4.2 RELEASE ? I'm having trouble getting =
apache to start ..... it keeps giving error messages saying "httpd could =
not start" & fully qualified domain name could not be found" (the =
machine does have a public IP & FQDN)=20

I don't recall having to mess with httpd.conf in earlier versions of =
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It looks like ipfw is installed, posibly by default when the higher =
security levels are requested=20
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about "ipfw" in "rc.conf

I can't find anything that looks like a config file (maybe not relevant =
to ipfw ??), "man ipfw" doesn't help because its pretty vague, & the =
handbook isn't much better.


I've tried running "ipfw -a", "ipfw -t", "ipfw -N" plus combinations =
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Hello.

	I'm just writing this mail to happily say that, finally, I have been
able to install the FreeBSD 3.2 version that was bringing so many
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	Tanks for your help.


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Good morning,

I've been trying to customize my KDE desktop by moving
icons around.  After exiting and restarting KDE and X
Window, the icons are back in their original
locations.

What do I have to do to make the icons stay where I
put them?

Thanks for your help,

Andrew Gould

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 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Ryan [mailto:rnera@optushome.com.au]
Sent:	Tuesday, 28 November 2000 11:32 PM
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Subject:	Servers Behind a Firewall


Hi

I would like to run some mail servers and web servers behind a firewall

how would I get the firewall machine accept incomming request for the
servers behind ....

would I need an IP for each server behind the firewall?

for example...

port 25 on 203.166.226.1 for mail1.mydomain.com
port 25 on 203.166.226.2 for mail2.mydomain.com
port 80 on 203.166.226.1 for www.mydomain.com

so on and so forth....

is it just a case of writing the right rules into the firewall or another
program to do this?

also whats best practise for running servers behind firewalls/proxies in
FreeBSD ?

I'd also like to have the firewall machine do NAT, I know how to do this
with IPFW and natd... would this affect the things I wanted to do?

thanks for the pointers and ideas






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Hi there,

I don't think it's BSD's securelevel that is causing this.  I would
suggest that you look at /var/log/httpd-error.log (or wherever you're
keeping your error log) as this is definitely an apache error.  In
particular, take a look at the 'ServerName' directive in the httpd.conf
file.

- Marc

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:29:35PM +1000, Doug Young wrote:
> 

> Would someone suggest where to find information on the various kernel security levels available in 4.2 RELEASE ? I'm having trouble getting apache to start ..... it keeps giving error messages saying "httpd could not start" & fully qualified domain name could not be found" (the machine does have a public IP & FQDN) 
> 
> I don't recall having to mess with httpd.conf in earlier versions of FreeBSD, so I'm wondering if maybe the kernel security level is somehow responsible . 
> 
> It looks like ipfw is installed, posibly by default when the higher security levels are requested 
> (theres what looks like an "ipfw" executable), "ipfw' spits out a page full of stuff, but theres nothing
> about "ipfw" in "rc.conf
> 
> I can't find anything that looks like a config file (maybe not relevant to ipfw ??), "man ipfw" doesn't help because its pretty vague, & the handbook isn't much better.
> 
> 
> I've tried running "ipfw -a", "ipfw -t", "ipfw -N" plus combinations thereof, but they don't appear to do anything. 
> 
> rc.conf has kern_securelevel="2" & kern_securelevel_enable="YES" 


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From owner-freebsd-questions  Wed Nov 29  4:53:54 2000
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Hi there,

I dont use KDE but I believe that you need to save your settings when
you log out of the KDE window manager.  Take a look in the KDE control
center, or perhaps when you log out it may ask you about this.  :)

- Marc

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 04:37:40AM -0800, Andrew Gould wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> I've been trying to customize my KDE desktop by moving
> icons around.  After exiting and restarting KDE and X
> Window, the icons are back in their original
> locations.
> 
> What do I have to do to make the icons stay where I
> put them?
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Andrew Gould


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Terry Lambert writes:
> > Must say I'm terribly pleased with burncd. Used cdrecord in the past on 
> > SCSI CD-R's, under FreeBSD and Irix, and can't say I loved the way it 
> > locked up the system for 5 or 10 seconds when starting.
> > 
> > I'm wondering about burncd for SCSI CD-R/RW's...
> 
> I think the lockup is starting up team and dd at rtprio 5 to
> keep the CDROM writer streaming, regardless of whatever else
> is running on the system.

The lockup I was refering to was with cdrecord under Irix and FreeBSD,
without any external rtprio or dd or team or nothing. Cdrecord has to
run as root to access the kernel priority mechanism. And at least in
versions around 1.6 when the cdrecord starts on the recorder it locks
out everything (think under Irix 6.3 the mouse pointer would even stop,
but the network would still ping) at the start of the burn procedure.

I have never found a need for team. Burned over 100 CD-R's at 4x on an
overloaded SCSI P-133 w/24MB with X, Netscape, and exmh2 open. Back in
the days of FreeBSD 2.2.8. Often burned one on the Yamaha CDR-100 on
SCSI while verifying the previous with the built-in Gateway CDROM. And
often was reading data from 8mm and/or 4mm at the same time for the next
CD-R.

The only coasters I made had obvious optical defects from dust or 
scratches. Learned to look for dust before burning.

--
David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net
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Thanks Marc

I'll persevere along that track :)


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> Hi there,
>
> I don't think it's BSD's securelevel that is causing this.  I would
> suggest that you look at /var/log/httpd-error.log (or wherever you're
> keeping your error log) as this is definitely an apache error.  In
> particular, take a look at the 'ServerName' directive in the httpd.conf
> file.
>
> - Marc
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:29:35PM +1000, Doug Young wrote:
> >
>
> > Would someone suggest where to find information on the various kernel
security levels available in 4.2 RELEASE ? I'm having trouble getting apache
to start ..... it keeps giving error messages saying "httpd could not start"
& fully qualified domain name could not be found" (the machine does have a
public IP & FQDN)
> >
> > I don't recall having to mess with httpd.conf in earlier versions of
FreeBSD, so I'm wondering if maybe the kernel security level is somehow
responsible .
> >
> > It looks like ipfw is installed, posibly by default when the higher
security levels are requested
> > (theres what looks like an "ipfw" executable), "ipfw' spits out a page
full of stuff, but theres nothing
> > about "ipfw" in "rc.conf
> >
> > I can't find anything that looks like a config file (maybe not relevant
to ipfw ??), "man ipfw" doesn't help because its pretty vague, & the
handbook isn't much better.
> >
> >
> > I've tried running "ipfw -a", "ipfw -t", "ipfw -N" plus combinations
thereof, but they don't appear to do anything.
> >
> > rc.conf has kern_securelevel="2" & kern_securelevel_enable="YES"
>
>



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I follow the diskless-x procedure step by step, but tftpd always
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I'm upgrading FreeBSD from 2.2.5 release to 4.0 and I have problems to
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version and it can´t
be rebooted again with the default "boot" prompt. In the screen appears:
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What can I do?

My PC has two hard disk, one for linux and the second one for FreeBSD.
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trini0 <trini0@optonline.net> types:
> Sorry to all about the html post.....:(
> 
> syslog_enable to yes and flag set to -s in /etc/defaults/rc.conf, but it wasn't in my /etc/rc.conf file.
> I inserted them there and rebooted.  Now my ? is does the system look at both /etc/defaults/rc.conf & /etc/rc.conf when it boots up and starts what is necessary???  If that was the case then there was no need to
> modify my /etc/rc.conf.  Is there a way to find out what state a daemon is running in?? ie if syslog is running in secure mode or not.
> Thanks
> trini0

Um - could you go back to wrapping your text lines at 80 characters? Thanx.

Anyway, you're right - the only reason to put things in /etc/rc.conf
is if they are *different* from /etc/defaults/rc.conf.

Try doing "ps auxw | grep syslog". That will show you the syslog
command and flags. I should have had you do that before checking the
rc.conf files. Sorry.

I'm not familiar with ipfil. Is it possible that it is listening to
port 514, logging the packets, then forwarding them to syslog?

	<mike


> > trini0 <trini0@optonline.net> types:
> > > - --------------650F8F0E9C59A45E52C434B7
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> > >
> > > I came across a web site that tests network security.  I ran it on my
> > > router running FBSD 4.2S w/ipfil 3.4.8.  Part of the results came back
> > > saying that port 514 that syslog was using was insecure and they sent a
> > > little message to the syslog daemon ==>
> > >
> > > Nov 28 12:59:09 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 225/200 pps
> > >
> > > Nov 28 12:59:12 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 236/200 pps
> > >
> > > Nov 28 12:59:15 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 228/200 pps
> > >
> > > Nov 28 12:59:21 gw /kernel:    icmp-response bandwidth limit 201/200 pps
> > >
> > > I checked out some man pages and came across running syslogd in secure
> > > mode with the -s option.  Is this recommended, to make syslogd be more
> > > secure?  What file would I put this option in?  (I didn't know where to
> > > enable -s)  Or should I just block off port 514 coming in from the
> > > internet on the firewall??
> > > Thanks
> > > trini0
> >
> > 4.2 should be running syslogd with the -s flag by default. Check
> > /etc/defaults/rc.conf to verify that syslogd_enable="YES" and
> > syslogd_flags="-s". If so, then check /etc/rc.conf to verify that they
> > aren't changed. If syslogd_enable is not set to "YES", then something
> > else is listening on the syslog port, and you need to deal with that
> > something else.
> >
> > Also, your mailer is sending HTML as well as plain text. Please make
> > it stop, and just send plain text.
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Hello,

How can I give permission for a new user to a particular directory, so
that he can ftp files to that directory

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David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net> types:
> Kent Stewart writes:
> > Most of us probably use burncd to do out ATAPI cdrom burning.
> Must say I'm terribly pleased with burncd. Used cdrecord in the past on 
> SCSI CD-R's, under FreeBSD and Irix, and can't say I loved the way it 
> locked up the system for 5 or 10 seconds when starting.
> 
> I'm wondering about burncd for SCSI CD-R/RW's...

For that to work, you need to add support for the CDRW IOCTLs burncd
uses to the SCSI CD driver. That's been on my list for months now.

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J. Seth Henry <jshenry@lusitania.sunsecure.net> types:
> Sorry for not including all pertinate info:
> I am using FreeBSD 4.1-R, and the healthd version is 0.5.4

Did you install that version from ports or a package? If not, you
might try doing that. I've been using the ported version for a while
now.

The next step is to check the notes, and make sure you've got the
right devices/permissions for it. In particular, I believe that it
fails at higher securelevels, because those disable the hardware it
needs to use.

I don't remember when the change happened, but healthd started support
IP6, and trying to open an IP6 port to listen on, which causes it to
fail if you don't have IP6 in your kernel. Adding a -6 flag to it
solves that one.

You might also check on /usr/ports/sysutils/heat as a monitor, but
it's not as complete as healthd.

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Lyall Braidwood <llb@senet.com.au> types:
> Dear People,
> 
> I need some help on understanding how to change a skeleton in the /usr/ports
> directory. The current files point to old versions. I would like the latest.
> Can't just change the version in the Makefile as the checksum becomes a
> problem. Can you help me?

The porters handbook at <URL:
http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/index.html > tells you how to
deal with changing checksums. It covers the process of creating a new
port at several levels of detail. Unfortunately, it's hard to find.

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote:

:There's an open PR about this. You have early enough f/w so that the
:structured mode page stuff that came in with CCS isn't known yet.

OK - I have concluded that this drive is a waste of time, so I yanked it
and replaced it with an old DAT.  If my Exabyte 8200 can be useful to
anyone in writing/fixing a driver, let me know and I'll ship it anywhere
in the US. If I ever get it back, that would be nice, but it would be hard
to be heartbroken about never seeing it again.

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[redirected from FreeBSD-Doc to FreeBSD-Questions

Zaza Maglakelidze wrote:

>    Please,
> 
>    Send me Installation guide FreeBSD.

Zaza,

you may order the FreeBSD handbook in printed form at

http://www.freebsdmall.com/books/
or read it online at

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ .

The online version is available at mirrors near Georgia, too: you may 
try www.ru.freebsd.org, www.pl.freebsd.org, or even www.de.freebsd.org. 
Depending on your internet connection, those mirrors may be faster than 
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Hello Praveen ,

> How can I give permission for a new user to a particular directory, so
> that he can ftp files to that directory

man chmod
man chown
man group

Ciao
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On 28 Nov 00 at 19:03, Tim McMillen wrote:

>> And second will freeBSD work with my BootMagic
>> program and let me choose wether i want to boot into Windows or freeBSD?
>> Thanks for your help.
>
>    I don't know about BootMagic, but the FreeBSD bootloader will
>allow you to boot into windows or FreeBSD. Hope that helped,
>
>                        Tim

I just installed UNILOAD from http://simon.org.ua. It works like a dream 
on my legacy hardware. Get it, and install it on a floppy to test-drive 
it. HTH....

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On 28 Nov 00 at 16:24, Dima Dorfman wrote:

>Duke Normandin wrote:
>> Just lurking & learning.....;)
>> 
>> Seems that I'm having a similar problem, I think. With "w" and "who" show 
>> nothing in the FROM field except when I ftp/telnet from my win9x box I 
>> see mandy or 10.0.0.2 in there. Is this correct behavior?
>
>When you're logged in from a local terminal, the host field is empty.
>This is correct behavior.  It'd be redundant to put 'localhost' in
>there since that's the only possible value if you're on a local
>terminal.

doh....I didn't see the forest for the trees! ;)

[snip]

>> /etc/resolv.conf is empty - I think that this is correct.
>
>If you're using DNS, it shouldn't be empty.  See resolver(5) for details.
>

My 3.3R box is networked to a win95 one -- but has no access to the 
Internet. Should I at least have 

domain 127.0.0.1

in it? Seems like I read something to that effect while I was searching 
the FreeBSD mailing lists today. Later....

-duke
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On 29 Nov 00 at 9:54, Andy Farkas wrote:

>
>On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Duke Normandin wrote:
>
>> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
>> sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
>> sio1: type 16550A
>> 
>> I have a problem according to the first sio1: line above, but I don't know 
>> what it is. I was having trouble cutting & pasting with my 3 button serial 
>> mouse - maybe I don't know how ;,) - so I looked first at hardware probs.
>> Any ideas on the above sio1 deal? Tia...
>
>This usually means you have an irq conflict (on irq 3).

OK.... I'll check my hardware settings. Can't think of what else would be 
using irq 3 though.....

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Unless I am mistaken, the default for the printcap if no :mx entry is
entered is 1mb.  So it will print ~ 1mb of the data, then quit.

Adding:

        :mx#0:\

as a line in your printcap should fix the problem. 

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Greg Lehey wrote:

> [redirected to -questions; I don't consider this an in-depth technical
> question]
> 
> On Wednesday, 29 November 2000 at 21:03:10 +0100, Rink Springer wrote:
> > [Posted this to questions too, but no one appeared to know.. maybe someone
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> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've installed FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE on a server here (AMD K6-2 333MHz, 64MB
> > RAM), which does gatewaying, firewalling, NATd and finally, samba, samba for
> > printing.
> >
> > The box works like a charm, but printing doesn't. The printer connected to
> > it is an Epson Stylus Color 600, hooked to /dev/lpt0. When I print the
> > Windoze test page, it works (lpq happily says the file is 200KB, and it gets
> > printed).
> >
> > However, whenever I try to print some image that is about 1MB in the print
> > queue, the printer prints a small part, and the rest will not be printed. In
> > fact, the entire queue entry is gone!
> >
> > Does anyone know what has caused this? I noticed some stray IRQ 7's, but
> > even if I enable polling mode (using lptcontrol -p), it doesn't work. I need
> > to get this printer working soon. It worked fine using RedHat Linux 6.1.
> 
> I have pretty much the same setup.  Well, the CPU side is the same,
> but the printer's a Stylus 740.  If you print documents of this size,
> you're probably talking about images.  How do you convert the image?
> If you're using filters, let's see them.  Also, you don't have a file
> size limit in /etc/printcap, do you?
> 
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>>>>> "r" == rsowders  <rsowders@usgs.gov> writes:
r> The pass phrase and key combination are both required for strong 
r> authentication. 

r> Keeping it simple and out of the minutiae,

r> Basically the key verifies that you are coming from where you say you are 
r> coming
r> and the pass phrase verifies that you are who you say you are.

r> As Popeye would say "I'm from where I'm from and I yam what I yam".

That is an excellent description for me (who feels like a bear of
little brain sometimes ;-). Thanks!

So am I correct in saying that there isn't a really secure way to do
"ssh othermachine <cmd>" without being prompted for the passphrase?

Hope you have a very nice day, :-)
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> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:47:16 -0600
> From: "Arcnum Mage" <arcanmun@hotmail.com>
> 
> I got a couple of questions for you. First I was looking in the FAQ and 
> couldn't find anyhting about the use of a PCI win-modem under freeBSD. So
> will a win-modem work? And second will freeBSD work with my BootMagic 
> program and let me choose wether i want to boot into Windows or freeBSD? 
> Thanks for your help.

Bad news on the win-modem... No luck yet.

As far as Boot Magic -- work's fine here with FreeBSD, Linux, OS/2,
Win98.

The OSBS20B8 on the CD is also a good Freeware alternative.

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On Tuesday 28 November 2000 20:44, Kris Doyle wrote:
> Is their any way to make it so ps -awx as a normal
> user only shows their processes ie ps -wux or
> something close to that. I've seen another server
> do that I was wondering how to do it for my box.
>
Write a shell script called ps.
This script can either call the real ps
and use awk/sed whatever to filter out undesirable
information..or you could do some analysis of the
flags etc..

Make sure this ps script occurs earlier in the
user's search path than the directory where ps lives.

To stop them directly running ps if they know the
full path to it "hide" it somewhere.

Cliff

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Sarginson" <cliff@raggedclown.net>
To: "Kris Doyle" <colk99@mindspring.com>; <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: Limitiing ps for user accounts

I don't think there's a 100% fool-proof method for this. I mean, you could
just grab ps from another FreeBSD box, upload it and use that instead? The
best you could probably do is edit the ps program source, so users won't
notice you have a script for it... even tho this can all be avoided, of
course.

--Rink


> On Tuesday 28 November 2000 20:44, Kris Doyle wrote:
> > Is their any way to make it so ps -awx as a normal
> > user only shows their processes ie ps -wux or
> > something close to that. I've seen another server
> > do that I was wondering how to do it for my box.
> >
> Write a shell script called ps.
> This script can either call the real ps
> and use awk/sed whatever to filter out undesirable
> information..or you could do some analysis of the
> flags etc..
>
> Make sure this ps script occurs earlier in the
> user's search path than the directory where ps lives.
>
> To stop them directly running ps if they know the
> full path to it "hide" it somewhere.
>
> Cliff
>
> This will sure piss some of your users off ... btw
>
>
>
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Just to "close the loop" for anyone with a similar problem now or in the 
future:

Because I'm on a dialup (rural phone lines limit speed to 28k), I guessed that 
Andy's suggestion would be quicker.  Removing the qt tarball from 
usr/ports/distfiles worked like a charm.

Thanks to both of you,

Jud

>===== Original Message From Andy Farkas <andyf@speednet.com.au> =====
>On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote:
>
>> Jud wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm a newbie (I've been working at FreeBSD, my 1st Unix, for about 2 
months
>> > now), so please forgive me if I'm missing something obvious.  I 
originally
>> > started a plain "make install" for qt 2.2.1_1, realized I wanted the GIF
>> > option, and just exited the xterm where the compile was running.  Now 
when I
>> > try to build qt-2.2.1_1 (using make -DQT_GIF_AVAILABLE install), I 
immediately
>> > get an error code 1 due to a checksum mismatch.  I've deleted the files 
under
>> > the qt22 directory in /usr/ports and replaced them with files I just
>> > downloaded from www.freebsd.org, but still get the identical error.
>>
>> You need to cvsup update your ports. Then, you will have the currend
>> MD5.
>
>It sounds like the download of the tarball was interrupted so you'll need
>to clean out the distfiles directory:
>
> rm /usr/ports/distfiles/qt*
>
>If that doesn't work, try:
>
> cd /usr/ports/distfiles
> rm bzip* gettext* gmake* libtool* Mesa* jpeg* png*
>
>>
>> Kent
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Pardon the lame web mail as out NT server is all screwed up....

there have been numerous posts about this subject in the archives at 
www.freebsd.org/search.  I had the same problem a while back but forgot hw i 
fixed it.  It had something to do with  modem settings in my case.  Search the 
archives and you'll find more than enough information, it is there.

> On 29 Nov 00 at 9:54, Andy Farkas wrote:
> 
> >
> >On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Duke Normandin wrote:
> >
> >> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
> >> sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
> >> sio1: type 16550A
> >> 
> >> I have a problem according to the first sio1: line above, but I don't know 
> >> what it is. I was having trouble cutting & pasting with my 3 button serial 
> >> mouse - maybe I don't know how ;,) - so I looked first at hardware probs.
> >> Any ideas on the above sio1 deal? Tia...
> >
> >This usually means you have an irq conflict (on irq 3).
> 
> OK.... I'll check my hardware settings. Can't think of what else would be 
> using irq 3 though.....
> 
> -duke
> Calgary,Alberta, Canada
> 
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Greetings,
I have a switched 10/100 network.  I have Superstacker II 3300 switches and
DSH 500 hubs.
I have spent quite a bit of time trying to use the Transcend (3COM) network
management
software.  The version we are using is lame.  I don't want to buy anymore of
their software.
I have a 486 DX 66 with 32MB Ram sitting around.  I thought of installing
FreeBSD 4.x on
it and using it only for monitoring/managing my network.  Is this hardware
going to be adequate ?
What software (ports) are recommended to accomplish my task ?  Wanted
feedback from
someone thats cracked this nut.

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i assume your looking for a way to monitor your network via sniffing
packets with the 486 on the hub right?

Joe
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Darryl Hoar wrote:

> Greetings,
> I have a switched 10/100 network.  I have Superstacker II 3300 switches and
> DSH 500 hubs.
> I have spent quite a bit of time trying to use the Transcend (3COM) network
> management
> software.  The version we are using is lame.  I don't want to buy anymore of
> their software.
> I have a 486 DX 66 with 32MB Ram sitting around.  I thought of installing
> FreeBSD 4.x on
> it and using it only for monitoring/managing my network.  Is this hardware
> going to be adequate ?
> What software (ports) are recommended to accomplish my task ?  Wanted
> feedback from
> someone thats cracked this nut.
> 
> thanks,
> Darryl
> 
> 
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Darryl Hoar wrote:

> it and using it only for monitoring/managing my network.  Is this hardware
> going to be adequate ?


Sure.

But I guess we need to know /what/ you wish to monitor and manage.

On our only managable switch, I graph all of the port traffic using
mrtg.  (I use mrtg to graph many other things, as well..)


But I also use big brother to monitor connectivity of all of our WAN
links.

http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html
http://bb4.com/

would get you started.  Both are available in the ports collection, as
well.


....david

--
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Hi all,

I have my system just right, but I have to do a full reinstall to fix a
library problem that won't go away.  I want this to be as clean as possible,
but I hate the idea of losing all my little configurations.  Is there a
strategy to install and restore as many of these as possible?  Note: I will
probably reformat just for good measure.  Can I just restore /home and merge
/etc afterwards to get most of the configuration back?

thanks,

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BigBrother has many security holes, I recommend not to install it at
all.

Noor

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Darryl Hoar wrote:

> it and using it only for monitoring/managing my network.  Is this
hardware
> going to be adequate ?


Sure.

But I guess we need to know /what/ you wish to monitor and manage.

On our only managable switch, I graph all of the port traffic using
mrtg.  (I use mrtg to graph many other things, as well..)


But I also use big brother to monitor connectivity of all of our WAN
links.

http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html
http://bb4.com/

would get you started.  Both are available in the ports collection, as
well.


....david

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I want to monitor the load, see if any bottle necks are occuring.  I
want to examine the performance of my switches and hubs.  I want to
be able to login to my switches and change the settings.  If I could
get a graphical layout of my network (devices, etc) that would be
gravy. Also, if it could alarm when a node goes down, that would
be great.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

-- Darryl
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Darryl Hoar wrote:

> it and using it only for monitoring/managing my network.  Is this hardware
> going to be adequate ?


Sure.

But I guess we need to know /what/ you wish to monitor and manage.

On our only managable switch, I graph all of the port traffic using
mrtg.  (I use mrtg to graph many other things, as well..)


But I also use big brother to monitor connectivity of all of our WAN
links.

http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/webtools/mrtg/mrtg.html
http://bb4.com/

would get you started.  Both are available in the ports collection, as
well.


....david

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FreeBSD marlo.eagle.ca 4.1.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15
11:19:08 EST 2000     freymann@marlo.eagle.ca: /usr/src/sys/compile/MARLO
i386

When new mail arrives, all we see is the one line message:

marlo: {125} %
New mail for freymann@marlo.eagle.ca has arrived:
----

We're used to seeing the first few lines of the message, not just the "new
mail" indication.

I've altered the line in /etc/inetd.conf to:

comsat  dgram   udp     wait    root:tty /usr/libexec/comsat    comsat

and done a kill -HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pid`

If I check /var/log/messages shortly after the -HUP I see:

Nov 29 08:36:09 marlo inetd[159]: comsat/udp: bind: Address already in use

And at various times throughout the day this message gets logged.

I realize "Address already in use" means something else is using the same
port. Question is, what port does comsat use and how would I find out what
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My next question is about popper3. I see tons of these messages on the
console:

pid 59433 (popper3), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 59770 (popper3), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 59772 (popper3), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 59774 (popper3), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 60026 (popper3), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)
pid 62017 (popper3), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped)

Everybody seems to be getting their mail. There is a core file in the root.

Is this something that needs to be looked into?

-Gerry




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> 	I'm just writing this mail to happily say that, finally, I have been
> able to install the FreeBSD 3.2 version that was bringing so many
> problems to me.

	Congrats! You've made it to the top... now you have reached an
elightened stage. Your journey is not yet over, it has just begun, but you
are happier. :)

					Rick

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I have the following error after playing one song, and no sound anymore:

pcm1: play interrupt timeout, channel dead

This is an out-of box 4.2-RELEASE (just pcm driver added) with a CS423x
soundcard which worked fine on 3.3-RELEASE

This has been reported often on the lists but afaik not after 4.2 was
released. 
the suggested patch (uncommenting chn_dmaupdate(c);) was already done in
4.2-RELEASE.  

I commented it again, turned off PnP and all that, no luck.

Any idea what I can do ?

Thanks,


-----
$FreeBSD: /c/ncvs/src/sys/dev/sound/pcm/channel.c,v 1.19.2.7 2000/10/14
20:59
:41 cg Exp $

void
chn_checkunderflow(pcm_channel *c)
{
...
                b->fl = b->bufsize - b->rl;
                b->underflow = 0;
        } else {
                chn_dmaupdate(c);
        }
}


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fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
q 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/1 bytes threshold
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
pcm1: <CS423x> at port 0x534-0x537,0x388-0x38b,0x220-0x22f irq 5 drq 1,0 on
isa0
ep0: <3Com 3C509B-Combo EtherLink III (PnP)> at port 0x210-0x21f irq 10 on
isa0
ep0: Ethernet address 00:20:af:4b:0e:25
ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata1-slave: identify failed
ata1-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr
ata1-master: identify failed
ad0: 2441MB <WDC AC32500H> [4960/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2
...

da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0
da0: <DEC RZ28     (C) DEC 441C> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 2007MB (4110480 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 255C)
da1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0
da1: <SEAGATE ST12400N SUN2.1G 8720> Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15), Tagged Queueing Enabled
da1: 2048MB (4194685 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C)
cd0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0
cd0: <IMS CDD2600 1.07> Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device 
cd0: 3.300MB/s transfers
cd0: cd present [310128 x 2048 byte records]
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a
uhci0: <Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller> port 0x6a00-0x6a1f irq 11
at de
vice 7.2 on pci0
usb0: <Intel 82371AB/EB (PIIX4) USB controller> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
sio0: 1 more silo overflow (total 1)


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edit your /etc/make.conf if you're using a 4.x+ version of freebsd and
cvsup the latest ports.

your ports supfile should be in /usr/share/example/cvsup/ports-supfile

you can install cvsup in /usr/ports/net/cvsup-bin

i believe there is a section in the handbook called staying current with
freebsd.  check that out.

- Dan

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> Dear People,
> 
> I need some help on understanding how to change a skeleton in the /usr/ports
> directory. The current files point to old versions. I would like the latest.
> Can't just change the version in the Makefile as the checksum becomes a
> problem. Can you help me?
> 
> Lyall Braidwood
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Livens Wim wrote:
> 
> I have the following error after playing one song, and no sound anymore:
> 
> pcm1: play interrupt timeout, channel dead
> 
> This is an out-of box 4.2-RELEASE (just pcm driver added) with a CS423x
> soundcard which worked fine on 3.3-RELEASE
> 
> This has been reported often on the lists but afaik not after 4.2 was
> released.
> the suggested patch (uncommenting chn_dmaupdate(c);) was already done in
> 4.2-RELEASE.
> 
> I commented it again, turned off PnP and all that, no luck.
> 
> Any idea what I can do ?

That's a CS4235 isn't it?  There were some fixes to the CS driver late 
in the 3.x series that got these cards working that were never
integrated
into the newpcm driver.  Unfortunatly the original author of the changes
doesn't have a 4235 anymore, so if you want your card to work, you're 
going to have to do the work yourself (or get someone else to do it).

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has anyone seen a fbsd port of netscape 6.0 or am i going to have to use
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i was just about to install big brother to use as a monitoring program for
my network.  if you think that its full of security holes what would you
recommend for network monitoring?

- Dan

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Noor Dawod wrote:

> BigBrother has many security holes, I recommend not to install it at
> all.
> 
> Noor
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Hello!
After installing FreeBSD 4.0., I try to boot from the hard disk, but the
boot manager prompt prints:
Loading FreeBSD
L?

at the boot menu. What can I do?

Thank you

Ana



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Hi there,

When launching multiple xterm sessions, if I recieve error messages on one 
Xterm session (i.e. sending mail yeilds a response, ["root... Recipient 
names must be specified Nov 28 21:01:26 30140362600 sendmail[833]: 
gethostbyaddr(24.68.123.209) failed: 2"], they appear on all other Xterm 
sessions. This is anoying, as when I am writing code it over writes text in 
all my other Xterm sessions. Is there anything I can do to fix? I am running 
Freebsd 4.0

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On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 06:50:10PM +0200, Ana Romero wrote:
> Hello!
> After installing FreeBSD 4.0., I try to boot from the hard disk, but the
> boot manager prompt prints:
> Loading FreeBSD
> L?
> 
> at the boot menu. What can I do?

From memory that can happen if you try to put the freebsd partition too
high on the hard drive, I'm not 100% sure though.

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I have no other alternative. It took 2 hours, though, to produce a very
robust and modular sentry system using PHP to monitor all our servers
for: HTTP, FTP, MySQL and DNS. Other services can be added easily.

Since it's an internal code of the company I work for, I cannot release
it yet to the public.

Noor


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i was just about to install big brother to use as a monitoring program
for
my network.  if you think that its full of security holes what would you
recommend for network monitoring?

- Dan

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Noor Dawod wrote:

> BigBrother has many security holes, I recommend not to install it at
> all.
>
> Noor
>




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Dear FreeBSD gods,

I have a FreeBSD 3.4 system at work and I'm attempting
to install a Linux application to run under emulation.

There is an install script that comes with the application
and when you run it, it creates a directory for itself but
first asks you where you would like to put the directory.

Where should I tell it to create the directory if I'm going to
run it under Linux emulation?

Thanks

Joe







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use /stand/sysinstall to do that :)

FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Dear FreeBSD gods,
> 
> I have a FreeBSD 3.4 system at work and I'm attempting
> to install a Linux application to run under emulation.
> 
> There is an install script that comes with the application
> and when you run it, it creates a directory for itself but
> first asks you where you would like to put the directory.
> 
> Where should I tell it to create the directory if I'm going to
> run it under Linux emulation?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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On 29-Nov-00 Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote:
> Dear FreeBSD gods,

Heh, don't be inflating our egos. :)

> I have a FreeBSD 3.4 system at work and I'm attempting
> to install a Linux application to run under emulation.
> 
> There is an install script that comes with the application
> and when you run it, it creates a directory for itself but
> first asks you where you would like to put the directory.
> 
> Where should I tell it to create the directory if I'm going to
> run it under Linux emulation?

Anywhere is fine.  Note that if a file or directory is present under
/compat/linux, then it will take precedence over a file or directory with the
same name in the main filesystem.  However, you can install the Linux app into
/usr/local/my_linux_app/ and it will work fine as long as there isn't a
/compat/linux/usr/local/my_linux_app (which there shouldn't be by default).

> Thanks
> 
> Joe

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David Daugherty wrote:
> 
> Do I need to uninstall sendmail before installing qmail on 4.2B? I don't
> see sendmail in /var/db/pkg and I've tried 'pkg_delete sendmail.'
> 
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add:
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Quick question, did you actually read the original email?

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 12:29:39PM -0500, Joe Oliveiro wrote:
> use /stand/sysinstall to do that :)
> 
> FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote:
> 
> > Dear FreeBSD gods,
> > 
> > I have a FreeBSD 3.4 system at work and I'm attempting
> > to install a Linux application to run under emulation.
> > 
> > There is an install script that comes with the application
> > and when you run it, it creates a directory for itself but
> > first asks you where you would like to put the directory.
> > 
> > Where should I tell it to create the directory if I'm going to
> > run it under Linux emulation?

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Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?

TIA,

Drew



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use fg command

Drew Tomlinson wrote:

> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
> Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
> command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
>
> TIA,
>
> Drew
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I just ran out of space on my /var secion of my drive
so I created a sim-link for /var/spool to /usr/spool
and all subdirectories.

I immediately got problems with hylafax starting - permission
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bash-2.03$ faxstat -s
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Any idea what's denying me?


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Thank you very much!!!

Drew

> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> use fg command
> 
> Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> 
> > Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying 
> to hit cntrl-C.
> > Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns 
> me to the
> > command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Drew
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> > I think the lockup is starting up team and dd at rtprio 5 to
> > keep the CDROM writer streaming, regardless of whatever else
> > is running on the system.
> 
> The lockup I was refering to was with cdrecord under Irix and FreeBSD,
> without any external rtprio or dd or team or nothing. Cdrecord has to
> run as root to access the kernel priority mechanism. And at least in
> versions around 1.6 when the cdrecord starts on the recorder it locks
> out everything (think under Irix 6.3 the mouse pointer would even stop,
> but the network would still ping) at the start of the burn procedure.

I can explain the mouse pointer stopping.  The VM system and
buffer cache on System V derived systems are cannibalistic;
you will see the same lockup of your X server when linking a
large program, if you are using the standard linker, since
the standard linker will map all your object files, and seek
around like a maniac.

In UnixWare, this was combatted by putting in a new scheduling
class called "fixed", which guaranteed the X server would get
a certain percentage of the available time slices.  This was a
gross hack, since what it really ended up doing was giving the
X server the necessary CPU cycles to thrash its own pages back
into core, rather than preventing the thrashing in the first
place.

SGI actually produced the first "CD piracy system", in that it
was the first shipment of a CDROM (Hitachi) in the US which
could read audio tracks off as digital data.


> I have never found a need for team. Burned over 100 CD-R's at 4x on an
> overloaded SCSI P-133 w/24MB with X, Netscape, and exmh2 open. Back in
> the days of FreeBSD 2.2.8. Often burned one on the Yamaha CDR-100 on
> SCSI while verifying the previous with the built-in Gateway CDROM. And
> often was reading data from 8mm and/or 4mm at the same time for the next
> CD-R.

SCSI is different; it doesn't have the problems that IDE has,
since you can target a one track transfer, disconnect, and the
drive can resynchronize as necessary (eat rotational latencies
between seeks from one track to another, between intervening
whole track writes).  This is the same reason that floppy disk
controller and IDE interfaced tape drives can have problems,
while SCSI tape drives merely hack up and rescan (most of these
drives are helical scan drives).

The use of team is really a convenient kludge, since the data
streaming assumption isn't really strictly valid.

You probably don't need cdrecord to grab a high priority for
burning data CD's, with SCSI, since some even multiple of the
data block size will end up being your page size.  The same is
probably generally true of ATAPI, but IDE controllers are
finicky, and I don't know that I'd trust them to not break
things up incorrectly or introduce a latency, unless you had
the ATAPI burner on its own controller so that it was not itself
competing with reads from your IDE hard drive source data, which
could introduce a latency in the middle of a transfer (no SCSI
disconnect = no intereleaved IDE commands to multiple drives).
The problem is that the latency could be unintentional, as a
result of swapping or other processes doing disk I/O.  You
could probably deal with this by giving the CD burner carte
balnche' on getting its I/O demands satisfied, and ensure that
all I/O was either whole track units, or chained as whole
track units.  This would probably be best implemented with
cooperation from the device driver.

For audio and other data, you probably need the priority boost
to ensure that when cdrecord writes data that straddles a page
boundary, that all data is available, or that a fault can be
processed in sufficient time.

You actually don't need this, if you know that the pages are LRU
managed, and you prefetch the pages by reading a byte before hand.

Vadim Antonov did a similar trick with the 8k double buffering of
the BSDi floppy tape driver, in the kernel: when a rewrite was
called for, there was always data available.  So properly engineered
code probably doesn't need a raised priority in any case (it's not
necessary to keep a CDROM recorder streaming, it's only necessary
to ensure that (1) you are writing in track increments, and (2)
the pages you are writing from won't result in a fault.  To do this
for ATAPI, and handle the "HD + burner, one a master, one a slave
on the same controller" case, you'd need to ensure all burner writes
were handled synchronously after forcing the reader pages into core,
also synchronously.  This could get real slow, real fast, but you
could detect device major/minor, and at least put out a diagnostic
message to the user as to why this was the case.


> The only coasters I made had obvious optical defects from dust or 
> scratches. Learned to look for dust before burning.

I've created a coaster or two (at work; not locally, yet) from use
of inferior media, purchased in bulk.  I mostly stick to the brand
name stuff (Maxell, Teac, etc.) these days, and haven't seen a
failure on a SCSI burner since.

It's probably not worth bullet-proofing the recording process
to function without the priority boost, at least on FreeBSD.

On IRIX, it'd probably be worth it, but if the system were being
simultaneously loaded with a link or other buffer-cache thrashing
process, you'd have to expect the occasional coaster -- but with
a sufficiently thrashed system, you'd have to expect that even
with the priority boost, from the occasional inversion.

If you were doing a lot of audio work, or CDI/VideoCD/DVD work,
prefaulting and writing in track units would probably be a
prudent precaution.

Anyway, I'm entirely up and running now with burncd + rtprio, so
I'm happily burning CDs with my internal laptop CD-RW drive.  8-).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
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Also see man jobs.  I think it depends a little on the shell.
Typing jobs at the prompt shows all suspended jobs and allows you to pick
which one to put into the foreground with fg %1 or the background with bg 
You can replace 1 wiht 2 or whatever the job number is.

					Tim

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> Thank you very much!!!
> Drew
> 
> > 
> > use fg command
> > 
> > Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> > 
> > > Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying 
> > to hit cntrl-C.
> > > Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns 
> > me to the
> > > command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Drew
> > >
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Has anyone tried?

The point is to use mpd's pptp facility to log in remotely
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Hello,

I have an free bsd 4.1.1 running on my system with Apache...and I have an
AMD K6 with 400 mbs ram...I am looking out for a ram disk driver for our
system

Normally, when you write out to a file the operating system has disk drivers
which write the data out to a physical disk. Some programmers have written
drivers that use memory and make that memory look like a hard drive to the
operating system. This means when you read file from the disk the read
happens VERY VERY quickly (much faster than reading from a hard drive).

If any one can help me with locating the best source of for a ram disk
driver...I would be very grateful.

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Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:

> Hi, folks...
> 
> i'm running 4.2-STABLE with an updated sendmail.cf file, and i'm getting
> some strange things going on...
> 
> here's a message i get a lot:
> 
> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916: ruleset=check_mail,
> arg1=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net
> [209.226.175.139], reject=451 4.1.8 <paulf@canadianalliance.ca>... Domain
> of sender address paulf@canadianalliance.ca does not resolve
> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916:
> from=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, size=10963, class=0, nrcpts=0,
> proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]
> 
> What exactly can it not resolve? I resolve canadianalliance.ca just fine on
> that machine...

Both forward and reverse name mapping must resolve. That is,  if a.b.com 
resolves to 1.2.3.4, 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa must resolve to a.b.com.

Just check this is the case using either dig or nslookup for the host(s) 
in question.

HTH
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P=E4r Thoren wrote:

> Hi!
>=20
> How do I startup SNMP?

You need a port

> Does it come along with the default installation or
> is there a port I can use?

AFAIR, there is a port...
so@amnesix:/usr/ports$ make search key=3DSNMP
[...]
Port:   ucd-snmp-4.1.2
Path:   /usr/ports/net/ucd-snmp
Info:   An extendable SNMP implimentation
Maint:  billf@FreeBSD.org
Index:  net ipv6
B-deps: autoconf-2.13 gettext-0.10.35 gmake-3.79.1 m4-1.4
R-deps:

Yep, there is.

> Which version should I use of SNMP on fbsd?

IHave a look at the above mentioned port.

>=20
> What I would like to do is monitoring nat servers(fbsd) remote.

Good luck,
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One way to locate older copies of files is to use any ftp search engine 
on the exact filename just as displayed when you "make fetch". For this 
task, I prefer ftpsearch.lycos.com. YMMV.

HTH
-Christoph Sold

Mark Hummel wrote:

> I'm running FreeBSD 4.1.1R with KDE.  My system is an i386 200Mhz AMD K-6
> with 64MB of RAM.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Mark
> 
> Mark Hummel wrote:
> 
>> I've tried to install Netscpae and Communicator several times via the
>> ports collection, but to no avail.  When I ftp'd the links found in the
>> Makefiles (I've tried more than one version), I noticed they are
>> different.
>> 
>> Is it possible the Netscape site webmaster moved them?  Anyway, I tried
>> to perform a manual install according to the readme files of the
>> versions I attempted.
>> 
>> Using ns-install (the automatic install program that comes with the full
>> download versions) everthing seemed to work as advertised, but when I
>> try to run Netscape, nothing happens.
>> 
>> What can I do to solve my challenge? Any suggestions would be greatly
>> appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
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You mean mfs right?  try 
man mfs

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Amit Tantia wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have an free bsd 4.1.1 running on my system with Apache...and I have an
> AMD K6 with 400 mbs ram...I am looking out for a ram disk driver for our
> system
> 
> Normally, when you write out to a file the operating system has disk drivers
> which write the data out to a physical disk. Some programmers have written
> drivers that use memory and make that memory look like a hard drive to the
> operating system. This means when you read file from the disk the read
> happens VERY VERY quickly (much faster than reading from a hard drive).
> 
> If any one can help me with locating the best source of for a ram disk
> driver...I would be very grateful.
> 
> Amit Tantia
> 
> 
> 
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as a note... don't delete all the sendmail files as qmail uses some of the
sendmail libraries for sending.


peace,
brian


		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Nathan Vidican wrote:

> David Daugherty wrote:
> >
> > Do I need to uninstall sendmail before installing qmail on 4.2B? I don't
> > see sendmail in /var/db/pkg and I've tried 'pkg_delete sendmail.'
> >
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> to the bottom of /etc/rc.conf
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Thank you for the explaination.

Drew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim McMillen [mailto:timcm@umich.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:55 AM
> To: Drew Tomlinson
> Cc: 'Ismail YENIGUL'; FreeBSD Questions (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: How to Resume a Suspended Process
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Also see man jobs.  I think it depends a little on the shell.
> Typing jobs at the prompt shows all suspended jobs and allows 
> you to pick
> which one to put into the foreground with fg %1 or the 
> background with bg 
> You can replace 1 wiht 2 or whatever the job number is.
> 
> 					Tim
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> > Thank you very much!!!
> > Drew
> > 
> > > 
> > > use fg command
> > > 
> > > Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying 
> > > to hit cntrl-C.
> > > > Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns 
> > > me to the
> > > > command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> > > >
> > > > TIA,
> > > >
> > > > Drew
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> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
> Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
> command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?

	Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.



				Rick



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Noor Dawod wrote:

> I have no other alternative. It took 2 hours, though, to produce a very
> robust and modular sentry system using PHP to monitor all our servers
> for: HTTP, FTP, MySQL and DNS. Other services can be added easily.
> 
> Since it's an internal code of the company I work for, I cannot release
> it yet to the public.
> 
> Noor
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Babb [mailto:bdan@c-zone.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:40 PM
> To: Noor Dawod
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: Network Monitoring
> 
> 
> 
> i was just about to install big brother to use as a monitoring program
> for
> my network.  if you think that its full of security holes what would you
> recommend for network monitoring?
> 
> - Dan
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Noor Dawod wrote:
> 
> 
>> BigBrother has many security holes, I recommend not to install it at
>> all.
>> 
>> Noor
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I would look at NetSaint (www.netsaint.org).  We are using it here and

it works well for us.  It is in the ports collection, but I would 

make sure to use at least release 0.0.6.


-- 
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Dave Lessard wrote:

> [snip]
> 
> 1) Is there a place in your site that I may download the files  I 
> would need for version 3.4 that I can do under windows, and transfer 
> to  floppies ???
> 
Not that I know of.

> 2) Is there a way to recoup the 525, so that I may partition a  125Meg 
> slice for dos, and do a DOS install of 4.0 that way ???
> 
See below.

> 3) Is there something so simple that I missed that could make  my life 
> easier ???
> 
3) There is. Have 4.2-Release floppies have a grab at the hard disks, 
AFTER you have them partitioned with good ol' DOS. There is even a 
FreeDOS out there (which was DR DOS in an earlier instance.

FreeBSD disk partitioning can take hints from DOS created partition 
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HTH
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I have this SCSI controller, and unfortunately it appears to be the only
BusLogic not currently supported by FreeBSD.  The card is supported by
linux, and so I thought that I might be able to port the driver into
FreeBSD.

Does anyone know of a resource that might assist me in this process.  Or
has anyone already done this for themselves?  Any help would be
appreciated.  Thanks.

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Hello,

I need some clarification about this IPf and ipfw.  I keep getting mixed
information  it seems like the more i read the more confused i get.  I have
had people try and help me and all i get  are discrepancies.  People tell me
there are good manuals out there but they just confuse me more.  Take this
one for example  off of securify.com...

How to build a BSD firewall using ipfilter. Covers everything from kernel
config to allowing
              traffic. Homepage here. By Larry W. Cashdollar

Larry W. Cashdollar
11/12/99 Rev 1.0
                        Setting up a FreeBSD firewall
                                using ipfw.  <<----- i thought we  were
doing IPFilter?



1) You will need to add some options to your kernel config in order to
proceed.  If you have never rebuilt your kernel please refer to the
FreeBSD documentation at www.freebsd.org for more information.

2) Add the following options to your kernel config file
options         IPFIREWALL              #firewall   <<<<<------ options for
IPFW and IPFilter
options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE      #print information about
options         IPFILTER                #kernel ipfilter support
<<<<-------    eh?????
options         IPFILTER_LOG            #ipfilter logging

#options         IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT #allow everything by default


i'm at a total loss here.  I guess i just need a breather...  I been at this
for a week now.  I looked at the manual from freebsd.org dialup firewall,  i
followed that exactly with the exception of changing my interface  to ppp0.
I am on a dialup 56k modem   ppp0,  cuaa0,  user ppp.  I am having the
hardest time for some reason just trying to get something that works.
Please dont point me to the list serve archives i have looked there and
really don't see much about the actual rules.

I guess first of all  I'm confused as  to which one to use, right now i
really don't see that much of a difference so i guess i'll use IPFilter.  I
don't need any crazy rulesets as this is just a dialup i would like to
return RST for port 113.  Again i am on a dilaup connection i don't
understand if i should be using natd or what have you.  Do i need to be
using natd ?  Someone was helping me and told me to add dummynet and
bridging and all these things that are over my head, and don't appear
necessary with this simple lame-o dialup....   help?

Matt



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Hello,

I have an free bsd 4.1.1 running on my system with Apache...and I have an
AMD K6 with 400 mbs ram...I am looking out for a ram disk driver for our
system

Normally, when you write out to a file the operating system has disk drivers
which write the data out to a physical disk. Some programmers have written
drivers that use memory and make that memory look like a hard drive to the
operating system. This means when you read file from the disk the read
happens VERY VERY quickly (much faster than reading from a hard drive).

If any one can help me with getting info for a ram disk driver...I would be
very grateful.

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>       Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.
>

I have tried this on RH 6.1 box, have yet to try on FBSD but, can I do
that to processes moving them from on telnet session into another one?

telnet session 1=ctrl+z
telnet session 2=ps |grep proggie |fg pid

it does not bring the process up on that session.

How about from a tty to an xterm in X?

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Rick Hamell wrote:

>
> > Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
> > Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
> > command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
>
> 	Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.
>
>
>
> 				Rick
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Actually, yes- would you? *All* of my tape drives (including an Archive
QIC-150) have no troubles like this- with the exception of the lone Emulex
MT-02 for which I don't think I have a working QIC-36 drive- and I won't
support the MT-02 because it has all NULLs for INQUIRY data.

I'll send separate mail for mailing info.

-matt

	

> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Matthew Jacob wrote:
> 
> :There's an open PR about this. You have early enough f/w so that the
> :structured mode page stuff that came in with CCS isn't known yet.
> 
> OK - I have concluded that this drive is a waste of time, so I yanked it
> and replaced it with an old DAT.  If my Exabyte 8200 can be useful to
> anyone in writing/fixing a driver, let me know and I'll ship it anywhere
> in the US. If I ever get it back, that would be nice, but it would be hard
> to be heartbroken about never seeing it again.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Paul
> 



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I would check Mike Smith's web page first:
http://people.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID/index.html

Second I would ask for furthur information on the SCSI list:
freebsd-scsi

I know this isn't the answer you may have been looking for but I hope
it helps.
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> I have this SCSI controller, and unfortunately it appears to be the
only
> BusLogic not currently supported by FreeBSD.  The card is supported
by
> linux, and so I thought that I might be able to port the driver into
> FreeBSD.
>
> Does anyone know of a resource that might assist me in this process.
Or
> has anyone already done this for themselves?  Any help would be
> appreciated.  Thanks.
>
> Chris Mutchler.
>
>
>
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Hi Rick,

On Tuesday, November 28, 2000, 4:37 AM, you wrote in part about "How to Resume a Suspended Process":

>> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
>> Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
>> command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?

R>         Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.

Can also type %(name of program) to bring it back (at least in Linux)


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On November 30, 2000, Amit Tantia sent me the following:
> I have an free bsd 4.1.1 running on my system with Apache...and I have an
> AMD K6 with 400 mbs ram...I am looking out for a ram disk driver for our
> system
> 
> If any one can help me with getting info for a ram disk driver...I would be
> very grateful.

You should probably take a look at MFS. There's an article on setting
it up here:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2000/09/07/Big_Scary_Daemons.html

and you can always take a look at newfs(8), which has examples on
setting up MFS partitions.

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good thing to be confused.

here's the lowdown:

FreeBSD comes with two FireWalling packages. you can use both, or either
as you want.

they are IPFilter (aka ipf) and IPFirewall (aka, ipfw).

more information on IPFilter (ipf) can be found in
/usr/src/contrib/ipfilter. that directory has quite a bit.

to enable it in the kernel, include these lines:

	options         IPFILTER

please note that modern versions of FreeBSD should have kernel modules for
ipfiter.


IPFirewall, on the other hand, is the defacto standard on FreeBSD.

most of the briding, diverting, and similar router functions on freebsd
are done through IPFW.

enable this in the kernel with:

	options         IPFIREWALL

dig through the LINT file for more information.

-- jan



On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Matt Bettinger wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I need some clarification about this IPf and ipfw.  I keep getting mixed
> information  it seems like the more i read the more confused i get.  I have
> had people try and help me and all i get  are discrepancies.  People tell me
> there are good manuals out there but they just confuse me more.  Take this
> one for example  off of securify.com...
> 
> How to build a BSD firewall using ipfilter. Covers everything from kernel
> config to allowing
>               traffic. Homepage here. By Larry W. Cashdollar



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Hey all!

Thanks for the help so far, but I have some issues concering the configuration.  Hopefully together we can figure it out.

I have searched through the archives (questions, hardware, multimedia) using ES1869 is my seach phrase and found some interesting stuff, but no concrete answers.

I did some LINT reading and found something to add t the kernel config (options PNPBIOS), then I recompiled and rebooted.  This time it got dectected, so it seems I'm getting closer to sloving this problem.  Although I don't think it's fully working.  When I try to cat ding.wav | /dev/dsp I get this message "/dev/dsp: Permission denied".  Maybe I'm doing it wrong, I'm not sure.

Also, after the addition of the "options PNPBIOS" line I got interesting output in dmesg.  Here it is:  (the rest could be supplied if needed)

unknown: <PNP0400> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0501> can't assign resources
sbc0: <ESS ES1869 (Compaq OEM)> at port 0x220-0x22f,0x388-0x38b,0x330-0x331 irq 5 drq 1,3 on isa0
pcm0: <ESS 18xx DSP> on sbc0
esscontrol0: <ESS Control> at port 0x268-0x26f on isa0
unknown: <PNP0000> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0303> can't assign resources
unknown: <PNP0f13> can't assign resources

I remember reading in the manpage for pcm that there are some "bridge drivers" which I really didn't understand.  I guess the sbc0 would be the bridge driver.  I'm not sure if I should add that to my kernel config file.  After re-reading the pcm man page and the LINT kernel config file it would appear so, but maybe someone can clarify that for me.

Also, what the heck are the unknown: devices that seem to be found?  Should I worry about those messages?

Here is the full kernel config file that has gotten me this far.  I'm gonna do some more recompiling to see which options does the trick.

# PRESARIO - kernel config file
# Compaq Presario 5240
#

machine     i386
cpu     I586_CPU
ident     PRESARIO
maxusers     32

options      MATH_EMULATE     #Support for x87 emulation
options      INET     #InterNETworking
options      INET6     #IPv6 communications protocols
options      FFS     #Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options      FFS_ROOT     #FFS usable as root device [keep this!]
options      SOFTUPDATES     #Enable FFS soft updates support
options      MFS     #Memory Filesystem
options      MD_ROOT     #MD is a potential root device
options      NFS     #Network Filesystem
options      NFS_ROOT     #NFS usable as root device, NFS required
options      MSDOSFS     #MSDOS Filesystem
options      CD9660     #ISO 9660 Filesystem
options      CD9660_ROOT     #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required
options      PROCFS     #Process filesystem
options      COMPAT_43     #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options      SCSI_DELAY=15000     #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI
options      UCONSOLE     #Allow users to grab the console
options      USERCONFIG     #boot -c editor
options      VISUAL_USERCONFIG     #visual boot -c editor
options      KTRACE     #ktrace(1) support
options      SYSVSHM     #SYSV-style shared memory
options      SYSVMSG     #SYSV-style message queues
options      SYSVSEM     #SYSV-style semaphores
options      P1003_1B     #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions
options      _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
options     ICMP_BANDLIM     #Rate limit bad replies
options      KBD_INSTALL_CDEV     # install a CDEV entry in /dev

# To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed
#options      SMP     # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel
#options      APIC_IO     # Symmetric (APIC) I/O

device     isa
device     eisa
device     pci

# Floppy drives
#device     fdc0     at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2
#device     fd0     at fdc0 drive 0
#device     fd1     at fdc0 drive 1

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device     ata0     at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
device     ata1     at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
device     ata
device     atadisk     # ATA disk drives
device     atapicd     # ATAPI CDROM drives
device     atapifd     # ATAPI floppy drives
options      ATA_STATIC_ID     #Static device numbering
options      ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA     #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices

# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
device     atkbdc0     at isa? port IO_KBD
device     atkbd0     at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1
device     psm0     at atkbdc? irq 12

device     vga0     at isa?

# splash screen/screen saver
pseudo-device     splash

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device     sc0     at isa? flags 0x100

# Floating point support - do not disable.
device     npx0     at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13

# Power management support (see LINT for more options)
device     apm0     # Advanced Power Management

# Serial (COM) ports
device     sio0     at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4
device     sio1     at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3

# Parallel port
device     ppc0     at isa? irq 7
device     ppbus     # Parallel port bus (required)
device     lpt     # Printer

# PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code.
# NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs!
device     miibus     # MII bus support
device     dc     # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes

# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated.
pseudo-device     loop     # Network loopback
pseudo-device     ether     # Ethernet support
pseudo-device     sl     1     # Kernel SLIP
pseudo-device     ppp     1     # Kernel PPP
pseudo-device     tun     # Packet tunnel.
pseudo-device     pty     # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc)
pseudo-device     md     # Memory "disks"
pseudo-device     gif     4     # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling
pseudo-device     faith     1     # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation)

# The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter.
# Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this!
pseudo-device     bpf     #Berkeley packet filter

# USB support
device     uhci     # UHCI PCI->USB interface
device     ohci     # OHCI PCI->USB interface
device     usb     # USB Bus (required)
device     ugen     # Generic
device     uhid     # "Human Interface Devices"
device     ukbd     # Keyboard
device     ulpt     # Printer
device     ums     # Mouse
device     uscanner     # Scanners
# USB Ethernet, requires mii
device     aue     # ADMtek USB ethernet
device     cue     # CATC USB ethernet
device     kue     # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet

# Soundcard Support
options PNPBIOS
device pcm

Just for further information purposes, here is the output of a 'cat /dev/sndstat':

FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Nov 28 2000 11:14:13
Installed devices:
pcm0: <ESS 1869 DSP> at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:3 (1p/1r channels)

I believe that's all the information I have thus far.  I'm going to continue playing with the kernel configuration to see if I can get the dang thing working.  Once I get it working, I'll post my kernel config file in hopes that it might help someone out in the future.

TIA,

Joey

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That does not seem right...

Not every company even HAS an ip address for their domian, especially when
they are just using it for mail. after all, for mail, all you need is an MX
record....



-----Original Message-----
From: Christoph Sold [mailto:so@server.i-clue.de]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:03 PM
To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe
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Subject: Re: Sendmail rulesets.


Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:

> Hi, folks...
>
> i'm running 4.2-STABLE with an updated sendmail.cf file, and i'm getting
> some strange things going on...
>
> here's a message i get a lot:
>
> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916: ruleset=check_mail,
> arg1=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net
> [209.226.175.139], reject=451 4.1.8 <paulf@canadianalliance.ca>... Domain
> of sender address paulf@canadianalliance.ca does not resolve
> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916:
> from=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, size=10963, class=0, nrcpts=0,
> proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]
>
> What exactly can it not resolve? I resolve canadianalliance.ca just fine
on
> that machine...

Both forward and reverse name mapping must resolve. That is,  if a.b.com
resolves to 1.2.3.4, 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa must resolve to a.b.com.

Just check this is the case using either dig or nslookup for the host(s)
in question.

HTH
-Christoph Sold





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On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:12:36AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> Thank you for the explaination.
> 
> Drew

Another thing.
It is a very cute feature, which for some reason a lot
of people don;t know about.

Try it in vi !

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I've read the info in the handbook, Greg's book, mostgraveconcern, the ppp
man page, and searched the email archives but have not found anything to get
my setup working.  I have a 3Com Dual Link External ADSL modem attached to a
NIC (ed1) in my FreeBSD box.  If I understand correctly, I need to make a
PPPoE connection from ed1 to the DSL modem and I have attempted to do that.
At the bottom of this email is my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf and a snip from my log
when running ppp -background from the command line.

The software that came with the modem is for Windows environment.  To verify
that the modem and line is working, I connected the modem to my laptop
runnning Win2K and installed the software.  From this exercise, I learned
that the modem is connected to my ISP via PPP over ATM.  I also had to set
something called the "Virtual Path Identifier" (VPI) and "Virtual Channel
Identifier" (VCI) to 0 and 35.  Is this something that needs to be set
somewhere in my ppp.conf file?

Then there is a "dialer" program from 3Com that works much like Dial-Up
networking in Windows where I have to set my login and password to establish
a connection.  (I don't understand why this step is necessary since the
connection is hardwired to my home but that's another subject).  What seems
to happen is that the NIC connected to the modem receives a private IP
address from the modem (192.168.157.x) and the dial-up software shows the
real IP address assigned from my ISP.  Anyway, everything works fine from
the windows environment and now I would like to attach the modem to my FBSD
box and get things working there.

My goal is to be setup as follows:

		3Com Dual Link
	   External ADSL Modem
			|
			|
			|
	   ed1 NIC in FBSD Box
			|
			| FBSD box is gateway/router/proxy/etc.
			|
	   ed0 NIC in FSBD Box
			|
			| My home network
			|
|------------------------------------|
       |				|
	 |				|
     Win2K			    Win2K

I would appreciate any help you could give me in reaching my ultimate goal.
I am willing to continue reading if there are any other resources you think
might be of help.  I am new to both Unix and FBSD so I may have overlooked
something really simple.

Thanks for your help!

Drew

Here's my ppp.conf:
default:

  set device PPPoE:ed1
  set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command
  set mru 1492
  set mtu 1492
  set authname ******	#My real info has been replaced by *s
  set authkey ******
  set dial
  set login
  set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
  add default HISADDR
  enable dns
  nat enable yes # if you want to enable nat for your local net

papchap:
  set authname ******
  set authkey ******

And here's a snip of my log:

Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2920]: tun0: Command: default: enable dns
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2920]: tun0: Command: default: nat enable yes
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (background
mode)
.
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed ->
opening
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected!
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of
1
Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected!
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier ->
hangup
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 5
secs
: 0 octets in, 0 octets out
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: : 0 packets in,
0 pa
ckets out
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase:  total 0 bytes/sec, peak
0 by
tes/sec on Wed Nov 29 11:16:05 2000
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal).
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Chat: Parent notified of failure
Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2920]: tun0: Phase: Parent: Child failed
(errdead
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Hi!

I port a message on KDE2 periodically, to see if many
had success on using KDE2, especially with other
languages. I am doing it to see if it is time already to
do the same for me, since i am using KDE havily and I need
to be pretty stable. (i don't remember when 1.1 crashed last time).

So, shoud I installed KDE2? ANybody using it w/o problems?
With other languages?

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RE: FreeBSD SERVER OPTIONS FOR A SMALL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IN
> WASHINGTON DC AREA  (www.tein.org)
> 
> We are a not-for-profit, 501-c-3 organization starting to develop our own
> "dedicated" BSD bases server
> as an alternative to the "rented" website we currently have with a
> commercial website host.
> 
> Our goal is not only to host our own site but also provide some basic
> "temporary site hosting" to our
> members who will be part of our "WEB INCUBATOR" for a period of time until
> they have developed
> their business . 
> 
> Can you advice as to our options and knowledge we need to develop to see
if
> this can be done by the 
> volunteers we have now in our organization ?
> 
> Avi Dey,
> President
> TEIN
> www.tein.org
> 

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I am remotely administering a couple of FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE servers. These
machines sit on an ethernet segment that contains two /24 subnets that are
disjunct. One of these servers was originally on one subnet and is being
used as a web host, and they now want the hosted domains (all real aliased
IPs) to be from the *other* netblock, so basically, the server sits on
both subnets. I assigned aliases and everything seems to work (I can ping
hosts, log on to virtual hosts and so on) and the only thing that seems to
be unhappy is arplookup, which keeps complaining that it doesn't recognize
the address of the alternate subnet's gateway.

Is this setup kosher, and what do I need to do to make it so (and keep arp
happy)? I *can* move the server back to the same subnet as all its
intended virtual domains, but I'd rather not if I can help it.

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Hello,

I still have boot problems. I tried to install FreeBSD 4.1 on a 10 
Gig harddrive (disk 1), having Windows 98 running on a 1 Gig disk2.

Installing goes OK but when I try to reboot, I get:
Disk error: 0x1 (lba ....)
No /boot/loader

... and after hitting enter again:
Disk error: 0x1 (lba ....)
No /kernel

But now I discovered a strange thing: Disk 1 has a total size of 10,2 
Gigabite. When I display the disk information with DOS fdisk, it 
shows:

Partition Status Type       Volume Label MB   Used
1            A        Non-Dos  -          -        9787 100%

... and then:

Total Disk Space: 504 MB !!!!

That is, total disk space (504) is only a fraction of MB's in used by 
Partition 1 (9787MB!!!). How is this possible? How to correct this 
situation? 

The problem is that I can not reformat Disk 1 from DOS as it sees 
only the 504 MBs? How to reformat the WHOLE disk (10,2 Gig)?

Please give my any hints!!!

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Anyone successfully running the lastest Allaire ColdFusion server under 
FreeBSD-4.x with Linux emulation?  Any caveats?


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On Wednesday 29 November 2000 19:46, Peter wrote:
> >       Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.
>
> I have tried this on RH 6.1 box, have yet to try on FBSD but, can I do
> that to processes moving them from on telnet session into another one?
>
> telnet session 1=ctrl+z
> telnet session 2=ps |grep proggie |fg pid

This command makes absolutely no sense I am afraid to say :(

fg +`ps | grep proggie`

will work (fg seems to ignore the rest of the ps stuff tagged along the same 
line .. lol)

> it does not bring the process up on that session.
>
> How about from a tty to an xterm in X?

You can bring "jobs" back to the foreground by various methods
examples..

fg %2	bring job 2 to foreground
fg	imples "fg %1"
fg +xxx	bring job with PID xxx to foreground

the "jobs" command will tell you what jobs you have and their job id
the "jobs -l" will tell you the process id as well

If you have a job with process id 1234 you can foreground it by

fg +1234

jobs are associated with the terminal group, I dont think you can start a job
on one terminal/console/telnet session (doubtless someone will correct me
on this if I am wrong !) and bring it back on another, and I am not entirely 
sure how much sense that would make anyway.

Read the section on jobs control in the bash(1) manual page, and the stuff
in "bash builtins" for more info.

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It seems to me that you'll need these things:

1) Server hardware
2) A person or persons who will take the time to learn about FreeBSD and system administration
3) Internet Connectivity

Once you have these things, you just need to install FreeBSD on the server.  Make sure the hardware is compatible with FreeBSD.  You can take a look at the hardware compatibility guide at http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-hw.html.

Once you have established that the hardware is compatible, install FreeBSD.  Here's some stuff to help you out with that:

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-guide.html
http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/install.html
http://www.freebsddiary.org/topics.php3#install

Then you need to set it up properly for what you want to do.  It sounds like you just want to use it for web pages, so you will probably want to install apache.  You can do this by installing the apache port.  For information on installing ports, see http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ports-using.html

To learn how to configure apache, see 

http://www.freebsddiary.org/topics.php3#apache
http://www.apache.org

You will also want to turn off most services you wont be using such as telnet, finger, ntalk, shell, etc in /etc/inetd.conf.  To learn how to do this and more, read about freebsd at

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook
http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd
http://www.freebsddiary.org
Buy the FreeBSD handbook http://www.freebsdmall.com/books/bsdcomp_bkx.phtml

Read about information not specific to FreeBSD
http://www.ugu.com
http://www.daemonnews.org

You can buy books on specific subject from O'reilly.  These can be helpful.
http://www.oreilly.com

Have fun reading!

-Ben


On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 02:44:49PM -0500, Dey, Avi wrote:
> Nov 29, 2000
> 
> RE: FreeBSD SERVER OPTIONS FOR A SMALL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION IN
> > WASHINGTON DC AREA  (www.tein.org)
> > 
> > We are a not-for-profit, 501-c-3 organization starting to develop our own
> > "dedicated" BSD bases server
> > as an alternative to the "rented" website we currently have with a
> > commercial website host.
> > 
> > Our goal is not only to host our own site but also provide some basic
> > "temporary site hosting" to our
> > members who will be part of our "WEB INCUBATOR" for a period of time until
> > they have developed
> > their business . 
> > 
> > Can you advice as to our options and knowledge we need to develop to see
> if
> > this can be done by the 
> > volunteers we have now in our organization ?
> > 
> > Avi Dey,
> > President
> > TEIN
> > www.tein.org
> > 
> 
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I just did a fresh install of Freebsd 4.2.  It went smoothly; configured X
using XFree86Setup.  I configured the server and used plain vanilla X for
client with no problems.

At least it looked like it was working.  Then I completed the install,
rebooted, and logged in as root.  When I type startx, I get:

-----------------
XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: January 8 2000
	If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
	than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
	problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE i386 [ELF] 
Configured drivers:
  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 1):
      NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2, RIVA ULTRA TNT2,
      RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED, GeForce 256,
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      clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w,
      mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200, mgag100, mgag400, oti067,
      oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308,
      ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ark1000vl, ark1000pv,
      ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, AP6422, AT24, AT3D, s3_savage,
      s3_virge, s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160, NM2200,
      ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546,
      ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000, ct64200,
      ct64300, mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110, i740, i740_pci,
      i810, i810-dc100, i810e, Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic
Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
(using VT number 9)

XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) XKB: model: "pc104"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(**) Mouse: type: SysMouse, device: /dev/mouse, resolution: 100
(**) Mouse: buttons: 3, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms)
(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "Primary Card"
(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "Primary Monitor"
Warning: The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local" does not exist.
         Entry deleted from font path.
(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unsca
led,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib
/X11/f
onts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"

Fatal server error:
xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)


When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
the full server output, not just the last messages

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
----------------

What now?

Thanks,

Dave
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Dave Bretthauer wrote:

> Fatal server error:
> xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)

Are you using KDE? Have you tried this without using KDE? This could be 
a KDE problem and not an X problem.

-- 
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Hello,

I am running MRTG on one box and i need to monitor another. The machine i
need to monitor is
running FreeBSD 3.0 Snap. I believe i need to install SNMP. Does anyone know
the whereabouts
of such a package. I have looked in the ports collection but all the SNMP
packages seem to monitor other boxes,
not allow other machines to monitor.

I may be barking up the wrong tree here,
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Darren



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I had the same problem, and it turned out that changing the Crystal
audio's IRQ helped. I have a PR440FX dual PPro board with the same
chipset.

Any IRQ under 8 seemed to work fine (it is currently at 5, also works at
7). Check your dmesg output and see what it is currently sitting at. If it
is 9 or above, you may need to play around until you either can set it to
5 or 7, or the PnP system in your BIOS does it for you.

Oddly enough, this appears to be a BSD specific problem. The previous
owner of this box used Linux, and the subsystem worked fine at IRQ 9.

Seth Henry
jshenry@net-noise.com

>>>

I have the following error after playing one song, and no sound anymore:

pcm1: play interrupt timeout, channel dead

This is an out-of box 4.2-RELEASE (just pcm driver added) with a CS423x
soundcard which worked fine on 3.3-RELEASE

This has been reported often on the lists but afaik not after 4.2 was
released. 
the suggested patch (uncommenting chn_dmaupdate(c);) was already done in
4.2-RELEASE.  

I commented it again, turned off PnP and all that, no luck.

Any idea what I can do ?

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No- I haven't.

If I just go into /var/log and delete that file, will there be any 
repercussions or will the daemon automatically create a new file?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Young" <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au>
Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:42 pm
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> AFAIK all outputs of syslog go in /var/log unless you've messed 
> around with
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> 
> 
> "Jeremy Vandenhouten" <jeremy.vandenhouten@marquette.edu> wrote in 
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> > I know this is the log for the syslog daemon. I'm just wondering 
> where> exactly it is putting this log and what needs to be done to 
> reset (read
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At 03:11 PM 11/29/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote:
>Dave Bretthauer wrote:
>
>> Fatal server error:
>> xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)
>
>Are you using KDE? Have you tried this without using KDE? This could be 
>a KDE problem and not an X problem.

I noticed that, too, and wondered why it was there.  No, I did not install
KDE (in fact, the reason I used vanilla X for a client is because I got the
same message after doing a full install with Gnome + Sawtooth).

Thanks,

Dave


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ucd-snmpd is in the ports i believe .. i think thats all you'll need.  its
under net i think.

- Dan

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Orbitalnet Office wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am running MRTG on one box and i need to monitor another. The machine i
> need to monitor is
> running FreeBSD 3.0 Snap. I believe i need to install SNMP. Does anyone know
> the whereabouts
> of such a package. I have looked in the ports collection but all the SNMP
> packages seem to monitor other boxes,
> not allow other machines to monitor.
> 
> I may be barking up the wrong tree here,
> any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Darren
> 
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Hello!

I'm having  a strange  problem experimenting. I  thought, that  by using
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How  do I  make force  my C-program  use the  right locale?  I could  do
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What I do is delete the file & then create a new blank one with
"/usr/bin/touch"
I guess if you aren't interested in whatever log it is you can shut down
logging at the either source or in syslog.conf, or if you don't want
ANYTHING from syslog you can shut syslog down completely (I think its in
something like rc.conf or inetd.conf)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Vandenhouten" <jeremy.vandenhouten@marquette.edu>
To: "Doug Young" <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au>; <questions@freebsd.org>
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> No- I haven't.
>
> If I just go into /var/log and delete that file, will there be any
> repercussions or will the daemon automatically create a new file?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Young" <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au>
> Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 3:42 pm
> Subject: Re: syslog is full
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> > AFAIK all outputs of syslog go in /var/log unless you've messed
> > around with
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> > messagenews:192730193dc5.193dc5192730@marquette.edu...
> > > I know this is the log for the syslog daemon. I'm just wondering
> > where> exactly it is putting this log and what needs to be done to
> > reset (read
> > > remove or clean) it.
> > >
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I need to monitor the ip traffic of the network without each and every
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Hi

I Have a freeBSD 4.1 which I just tride to UPGRADE through 'sysinstall'.

Now I can't boot my system. Before I bootet the system (from
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Hi folks,

I've come across the most frustrating problem that I can't seem to find
any information about anywhere.

Shared memory.

I'm not even sure what shared memory actually is, except that everything
X11 wants it. And nothing I run, it seems, is getting any of it. Doesn't
matter what program I run, at what stage in the computer's uptime,
always always always: Gdk-WARNING: shmget() failed, or, various IMLIB
errors pertaining to SHM.

Now, the only information I was able to find regarding SysV shared
memory and FreeBSD was a discussion group posting explaining how to
increase the max segment size, which I did in my kernel.

Here's some info:

bacchusrx% ipcs -M

shminfo:
        shmmax: 67108864        (max shared memory segment size)
        shmmin:       1 (min shared memory segment size)
        shmmni:    4096 (max number of shared memory identifiers)
        shmseg:     256 (max shared memory segments per process)
        shmall:    1024 (max amount of shared memory in pages)

Also, I checked out this imlib thing and shared memory is all turned on
and fuzzy there, so I can't figure this one out.

Absolutely everything wants this shared memory stuff, but nobody seems
to be getting any... which I think is causing problems when I do
multimedia stuff as well...

I'm running FreeBSD 4.2 with XFree86 3.3.6 with GNOME 1.2 and
Enlightenment 0.16.4 or .5 I don't remember.

If I just type "ipcs" I get:

Message Queues:
T     ID     KEY        MODE       OWNER    GROUP

Shared Memory:
T     ID     KEY        MODE       OWNER    GROUP
m 2228224          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 2293761          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 2293762          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 2293763          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 2162692          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 78708741          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 103743494          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1122238471          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1653735432          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1028784137          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 86704138          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 835649547          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 620429324          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 10289165          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 18219022          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 229572623          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 691601424          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 10682385          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 28442642          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 45088787          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 248446996          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 824705045          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 838467606          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 5767191          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 691732504          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1506344985          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1189216282          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 50528283          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 40173596          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1323237405          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 284688414          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1390805023          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 742981664          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 104136737          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 16056354          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 862388259          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 66846756          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 27787301          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 777846822          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 88670247          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 177340456          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 109641769          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1986986026          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 174063659          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1984823340          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1922891821          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 118226990          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 305201199          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 432472112          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1760952369          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1878982706          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 967442483          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 798425140          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1093992501          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 2092171318          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 113049655          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 129695800          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 30081081          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 36175930          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 23134267          0 --rwarwarwa     root    wheel
m 4849724          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 9961533          0 --rw-rw-rw- bacchusrx    wheel
m 8585278          0 --rw-rw-rw- bacchusrx    wheel
m 121634879          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 113770560          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1124401217          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 1381105730          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
m 629014595          0 --rwarwarwa     root    wheel

Semaphores:
T     ID     KEY        MODE       OWNER    GROUP


But that's all greek to me.

What's going on?

Erik.


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Hi all,

I CVSuped, and followed the instructions in the handbook to the letter.
Now im in single user mode, and get the following error while doing
make -j4 installworld  (i added the -j4 because that is how i did
buildworld, and the handbook says that make needs all the same parameters)

output:

install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin
Could not execute shell

***Error code 1
 1 error

***Error code 2
 1 error

The last part (about error code 2) is repeated 4 more times.

What could be causing this error and what can i do to fix it?

thanks
Erich Heine





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You may use -j on buildworld, but it will cause installworld to fail 
miserably, as you can see. I promise if you just make installworld it 
will to fine, whether you use make buildworld, or make -j10 buildworld.

erich alfred heine wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I CVSuped, and followed the instructions in the handbook to the letter.
> Now im in single user mode, and get the following error while doing
> make -j4 installworld  (i added the -j4 because that is how i did
> buildworld, and the handbook says that make needs all the same parameters)
> 
> output:
> 
> install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin
> Could not execute shell
> 
> ***Error code 1
>  1 error
> 
> ***Error code 2
>  1 error
> 
> The last part (about error code 2) is repeated 4 more times.
> 
> What could be causing this error and what can i do to fix it?
> 
> thanks
> Erich Heine
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Wed Nov 29 14:41:20 2000
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pchelp@gcinet.net wrote:
> 
> Please advise where I can find newbie information on installing
> apache server with php/mysql support under FreeBSD?

You go to the relevant mod_phpX directory and type make install.
I.e. /usr/ports/www/mod_php3 (or 4). That's all there is to it.
It gives you a menu of choices and you check the relevant ones
like mysql.

It gets more interesting when you want to add more modules
dealing with MySQL. Haven't delved into that, yet <g>.

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Thus spake Mike Arthur (mikearthur@moscow.com):

> I have been try to install FreeBSD for the past week, using 4.2 and 4.1.1.
> Every time I have done so, I get an error after the installation is over,
> during boot up.  One of three errors have come up.  "Invalid Partition
> Table,"  "Missing Operating System" or "No /boot/loader".
> 
> The hardware that I have in the box is a Abit BP6 motherboard, two 40 gig
> harddrives, 256 megs of ram, two Celeron 366's, a Netgear NIC, and an ISA
> video card.

I used to have a BP6, and seem to recall similar trouble when
installing.

Making sure the root partition was within the first 1024 cylinders on
the disk fixed my problem. Note that this was with 4.0-RELEASE and
STABLE, though.

HTH,


Nick

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Thus spake brian william wolter (bwolter@thesadmachine.org):

> has anyone seen a fbsd port of netscape 6.0 or am i going to have to use
> the linux version?

The linux version works fine. You'll have to install the linux-gtk port
for the install, though.

Regards,


Nick

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 11/29/00, 11:30:42 PM, erich alfred heine <eheine@students.uiuc.edu> =

wrote regarding installworld problems :


> Hi all,

> I CVSuped, and followed the instructions in the handbook to the=20
letter.
> Now im in single user mode, and get the following error while doing
> make -j4 installworld  (i added the -j4 because that is how i did
> buildworld, and the handbook says that make needs all the same=20
parameters)



AFAIK, you shouldn't use -jn.


> output:

> install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 sh /bin
> Could not execute shell



<dumb question>
Surely your sh executable (ie /bin/sh) permissions are currently set=20
to 555?
</dumb question>

Best regards,
Salvo





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> > If I just go into /var/log and delete that file, will there be any
> > repercussions or will the daemon automatically create a new file?

The daemon will NOT automatically create the file.  This is a feature;
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I couldn't get KDE2 to run properly, though I didn't try with languages other than English. KDE2 seems to load up fine, but you have to kill the X server to get out of it, going to LOGOUT doesn't appear to work.

I installed GNOME, and that's been pretty stable, except for some issues with shared memory.

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>Hi!
>
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>had success on using KDE2, especially with other
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>do the same for me, since i am using KDE havily and I need
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>
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I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it 
comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)

Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about 
the transfer rate that follows:

150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
226 Transfer complete.
ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.

Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I 
can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ? 
Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....

-duke
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On November 29, 2000, Joe Oliveiro sent me the following:
> I need to monitor the ip traffic of the network without each and every
> computer running a snmpd. For this i have ran FE from the router to a hub
> then the hub to the rest of the network. Now i'm looking for a program
> which will sniff the network and create stats of bandwidth usage per ip
> address. Is there such a program that already exists?

One of the tricks I've used to do this sort of thing in the past is to
setup and ipfw rule for each ip address you want to monitor. By using
ipfw count rules, you can get a count of the number of packets and
number of bytes matching each rule, then you just need a script to
check this from time to time and record it.

It's not a great solution, but it works.

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	Any one know of a good guide for setting up domain names? I've got
www.1nova.com which seems to sometimes work fine, but some people have
problems sending stuff to it or getting to www.1nova.com/freebsd yet
something like heorot.1nova.com works just fine. I've got MX records for
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> [snip]
> Did you put in the mx#0 entry for the printer in /etc/printcap?
I did this this morning, and works now! Thank you all. The FreeBSD
documentation team might want to add this to the FAQ?

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Craig,

Your observations match ours exactly.  We also have a need to bring skip
along in 4.x (it still works with 4.0-RELEASE) to maintain and expand
existing VPN networks.

I have tried ed0, rl0 and xl0 pci interface cards and ed0 isa interface
cards, always with the same result.

The problem is in the processing of the authentication algorithm.  If you
leave off the -m mac_algorithm key but include the -k key algorithm and -t
crypto algorithm it will interoperate with other freebsd versions (at least
it just did on my 4.2-RELEASE).  Unfortunately MD5 is the only
authentication algorithm that skip-1.0 has so I can't think of any way to
explore this further.

I did a diff on the gmake on 4.0-RELEASE and 4.2-RELEASE and found only a
couple of possible areas in the warnings.

The first is using /usr/src/sys instead of /usr/include and
/usr/src/sys/i386/include instead of /usr/include/machine in the
work/skip/freebsd/ directory.  Probably not significant.

The second is a redundant redeclaration of memcmp in skip_os.h previously
defined in sys/libkern.h, also not significant.

The third is the use of gensetdefs skip.kld in the later version but this
looks pretty equivalent to the methodology in the earlier version.

So it appears that the trouble is probably not with skip, itself, but with
the way it is linked into the OS or the crypto implementation.

Hopefully Archie is right and it is something simple.  I wonder if it would
help if we would sponser the necessary effort?

Jim Flowers mailto:jflowers@ezo.net



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Greg Lehey wrote:
> 

> > The box works like a charm, but printing doesn't. The printer connected to
> > it is an Epson Stylus Color 600, hooked to /dev/lpt0. When I print the
> > Windoze test page, it works (lpq happily says the file is 200KB, and it gets
> > printed).
> >
> > However, whenever I try to print some image that is about 1MB in the print
> > queue, the printer prints a small part, and the rest will not be printed. In
> > fact, the entire queue entry is gone!
> >
> > Does anyone know what has caused this? I noticed some stray IRQ 7's, but
> > even if I enable polling mode (using lptcontrol -p), it doesn't work. I need
> > to get this printer working soon. It worked fine using RedHat Linux 6.1.
> 
> I have pretty much the same setup.  Well, the CPU side is the same,
> but the printer's a Stylus 740.  If you print documents of this size,
> you're probably talking about images.  How do you convert the image?
> If you're using filters, let's see them.  Also, you don't have a file
> size limit in /etc/printcap, do you?

I think if you don't specify any limit explicitly the default
value of 1000KB is used. Add :mx#0: to disable the limit.
(By the way, maybe we should better set that default to 0 ?)

-SB


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"Duke Normandin" writes:
> I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it 
> comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)
> 
> Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about 
> the transfer rate that follows:
> 
> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
> 226 Transfer complete.
> ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.
> 
> Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I 
> can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ? 
> Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....

Its not unusually low, but it is about 1/3 what 10baseT can do. After
pushing the file, try pulling another copy (to another filename) back.

To your credit, your file was large enough to be a good test. Often 
newbies test on 100k files or something equally trivial.

My gut feel is the Win95 machine is not going to run any faster. Then 
again you don't say what CPU's are used.

Between two FreeBSD 4.1 machines (P-III 450 and 500) on a full duplex
100baseT switch I shot a copy of the 4.1-RELEASE ISO (~650MB) across at
over 8MB/sec. Later played with a 17MB file and got the same on the
first transfer but then pulling it back while it was probably still in
cache on the other 128MB machine resulted in 11MB/sec. fxp0 ethernet on 
both ends.

Replacing one of the P-III's with an old AMD 5x86/133, 32MB, FreeBSD
3.5, and a 10/100 de0 ethernet, maxed out at 1.5MB/sec.


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Hello to all

I have searched the mail archive for this. I found questions but no answers=
. I
have installed MySQL 3.22.32 on my 4.0 FreeBSD server. This server was upgr=
aded
from 3.3 Release with MySQL installed. I have since deinstalled and reinsta=
lled
MySQL from the ports.  When I try to start MySQL from the script or using
 /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld &  it fails. If I start it using
 /usr/local/bin/safe_mysqld --skip-grant-tables & it starts. I have run the
following scripts:

mysql_install_db   (this one ran without complaint)

/usr/local/bin/mysql_fix_privilege_tables   (this one ran without complaint)

mysqladmin flush-privileges   (this one also ran without complaint)

The MySQL error log shows the following:

--------------- output from tail
=1B[0;32m001129 17:57:20  /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Normal shutdown=1B[0;0m

001129 17:57:20  /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Shutdown Complete

mysqld ended on  Wed Nov 29 17:57:20 EST 2000
mysqld started on  Wed Nov 29 17:57:35 EST 2000
=1B[1;31m001129 17:57:35  Found old style password for user 'root'. Restart=
 using --old-protocol=1B[0;0m
=07mysqld ended on  Wed Nov 29 17:57:35 EST 2000
mysqld started on  Wed Nov 29 18:04:25 EST 2000
--------------- End Log

I hope someone can shed some light on this. I figure it's the grant tables =
but I'm
not sure what to do to them.

Thanks

--=20

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Hi,

Does anyone know of a dhcp query tool that will exercise a dhcp server
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Jim,

> Your observations match ours exactly.  We also have a need to bring
> skip along in 4.x (it still works with 4.0-RELEASE) to maintain and
> expand existing VPN networks.

For what it's worth, I found that it still works with 4.1-RELEASE, 
but not with 4.1.1-RELEASE.  So it broke sometime during the two 
months that passed between those two releases.

> So it appears that the trouble is probably not with skip, itself, but
> with the way it is linked into the OS or the crypto implementation.

That's the conclusion I arrived at as well, and if I had to guess, I 
would guess at the latter (the crypto implementation).  From the 
release notes for 4.1.1:

"Since 4.1-RELEASE was produced in August 2000, RSA released 
their code into the public domain and a number of
other security enhancements were made possible through the 
FreeBSD project's permission to export cryptographic code
from the United States. These changes are fully reflected in 4.1.1-
RELEASE..."

Unfortunately, debugging this kind of a problem is somewhat 
outside my area of expertise.

> Hopefully Archie is right and it is something simple.  I wonder if it
> would help if we would sponser the necessary effort?

That thought occurred to me as well, and this is something I might 
actually be able to help out with.  What would it take?

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Terry Lambert writes:
> > > I think the lockup is starting up team and dd at rtprio 5 to
> > > keep the CDROM writer streaming, regardless of whatever else
> > > is running on the system.
> > 
> > The lockup I was refering to was with cdrecord under Irix and FreeBSD,
> > without any external rtprio or dd or team or nothing. Cdrecord has to
> > run as root to access the kernel priority mechanism. And at least in
> > versions around 1.6 when the cdrecord starts on the recorder it locks
> > out everything (think under Irix 6.3 the mouse pointer would even stop,
> > but the network would still ping) at the start of the burn procedure.
> 
> I can explain the mouse pointer stopping.  The VM system and
> buffer cache on System V derived systems are cannibalistic;
> you will see the same lockup of your X server when linking a
> large program, if you are using the standard linker, since
> the standard linker will map all your object files, and seek
> around like a maniac.
[...]

I don't think it was that exotic. The cdrecord man page says a lot about
priority levels and real time features of kernels, that on some systems
its unable to gain higher priority than internal kernel processes, and
says this about Solaris which I don't fully understand but maybe you do:

     Cdrecord runs at priority 59  on  Solaris,  you  should  run
     mkisofs  at  no more than priority 58. On other systems, you
     should run mkisofs at no less than nice --18.

Under Irix, the system froze the first time cdrecord accesses the blank
CD-R. All other disk activity stops (as observed by LEDs on the
devices). The freeze was fairly long, 10 to 15 seconds and ended when
the CD-R LED started flickering. I believe it was exactly the same under
FreeBSD 2.2.8.

Its very likely it was a timed hang with the intent of presetting VM 
state.


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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Erik Rothwell wrote:

> I couldn't get KDE2 to run properly, though I didn't try with languages
other than English. KDE2 seems to load up fine, but you have to kill the
X server to get out of it, going to LOGOUT doesn't appear to work.

	I got kde2 to work well after a few tries installing it in 4.1.1.
I ended up getting it by installing it piece by pice from ports.  I also
had that same behavior when running kde2 on 4.1.1   It wouldn't logout I
had to kill the x sever.  I just lived with it.  Then I cvsupped my
source to 4.2-release, did the whole makeworld and rebuilt the kernel.
Worked fine, and now I can logout of kde2 fine.  Strange.

						Tim  

> 
> I installed GNOME, and that's been pretty stable, except for some
issues with shared memory.
> 
> -------
> E. L. Rothwell
> xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Artem Koutchine" <matrix@ipform.ru>
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:59:41 +0300
> 
> >Hi!
> >
> >I port a message on KDE2 periodically, to see if many
> >had success on using KDE2, especially with other
> >languages. I am doing it to see if it is time already to
> >do the same for me, since i am using KDE havily and I need
> >to be pretty stable. (i don't remember when 1.1 crashed last time).
> >
> >So, shoud I installed KDE2? ANybody using it w/o problems?
> >With other languages?
> >
> >Artem
> >
> >
> >
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Your dns zone looks like this now:

$ORIGIN 1nova.com
1nova.com.      IN NS    ns1.centralinfo.net.
                 IN NS    ns2.centralinfo.net.
                 IN A     63.105.24.23
                 IN MX    0 63.105.24.23.
ftp.1nova.com.  IN A     63.105.24.23
                 IN CNAME 63.105.24.23.
heorot.1nova.com. IN A     63.105.24.23
mail.1nova.com. IN A     63.105.24.23
                 IN CNAME 63.105.24.23.
www.1nova.com.  IN A     63.105.24.23
                 IN CNAME 63.105.24.23.
;** Received 12 records for 1nova.com from 63.102.200.2

It should look like this:

$ORIGIN 1nova.com
1nova.com.              IN NS   ns1.centralinfo.net.
                         IN NS   ns2.centralinfo.net.
                         IN A    63.105.24.23
                         IN MX   0 mail.1nova.com.
mail.1nova.com. IN A    63.105.24.23
ftp.1nova.com.          IN CNAME        mail.1nova.com.
heorot.1nova.com.       IN CNAME        mail.1nova.com.
www.1nova.com.          IN CNAME        mail.1nova.com.

The should only be one A record per address, the rest should be 
CNAMEs.  Only names should have a period after them (not addresses).  The 
name specified in the MX record must be directly resolvable via an A record.


At 11/28/00 03:42 PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote:

>         Any one know of a good guide for setting up domain names? I've got
>www.1nova.com which seems to sometimes work fine, but some people have
>problems sending stuff to it or getting to www.1nova.com/freebsd yet
>something like heorot.1nova.com works just fine. I've got MX records for
>mail, ftp, www, heorot all setup... So I don't know what else I'm
>missing. Thanks in advance!
>
>                                         Rick
>
>*******************************************************************
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I've been running KDE2 for a couple of weeks now and have had no problems.
The only thing is that I had to install from packages and not from the ports.
I never could get a single kde port to build. 

But since day 1, I haven't had any real issues.  I was running 4.1 and just
upgraded to 4.2.  I like it very much.

jpc

On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 07:56:55PM -0500, owner-freebsd-questions @ FreeBSD . ORG Wed Nov 29 16 wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Erik Rothwell wrote:
> 
> > I couldn't get KDE2 to run properly, though I didn't try with languages
> other than English. KDE2 seems to load up fine, but you have to kill the
> X server to get out of it, going to LOGOUT doesn't appear to work.
> 
> 	I got kde2 to work well after a few tries installing it in 4.1.1.
> I ended up getting it by installing it piece by pice from ports.  I also
> had that same behavior when running kde2 on 4.1.1   It wouldn't logout I
> had to kill the x sever.  I just lived with it.  Then I cvsupped my
> source to 4.2-release, did the whole makeworld and rebuilt the kernel.
> Worked fine, and now I can logout of kde2 fine.  Strange.
> 
> 						Tim  
> 
> > 
> > I installed GNOME, and that's been pretty stable, except for some
> issues with shared memory.
> > 
> > -------
> > E. L. Rothwell
> > xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx
> > 
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Artem Koutchine" <matrix@ipform.ru>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:59:41 +0300
> > 
> > >Hi!
> > >
> > >I port a message on KDE2 periodically, to see if many
> > >had success on using KDE2, especially with other
> > >languages. I am doing it to see if it is time already to
> > >do the same for me, since i am using KDE havily and I need
> > >to be pretty stable. (i don't remember when 1.1 crashed last time).
> > >
> > >So, shoud I installed KDE2? ANybody using it w/o problems?
> > >With other languages?
> > >
> > >Artem
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > 
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 I am attempting to install the jdk1.1.8 port on my
machine. It is running version 3.2.
 I have pkg_added the 32upgrade to 3 stable.  The
error I'm getting is:
"/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 0:Cannot open
/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk
"Makefile", line 29:malformed conditional
(${PORTOBJFORMAT} == "aout")
"Makefile", line 29: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 31: if-less else
"Makefile", line 31: Need an operator
"Makefile", line 33: if-less endif
"Makefile", line 33: Need an operator
make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue
I had to add the directories ports, distfiles, and Mk
to /usr.  Everything in /usr/share/mk, is in
/usr/ports/Mk.
I did download an 11 MB tar.gz jdk1.1.8 file and added
it as a package when I couldn't get the port to build.
Java works, but I would like to fix the port system. 
Not related to this, but are distfiles source forms of
packages?  After reading the handbook, my guess is
they are.

Thanks in advance, Ian

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personally i'd do it like this:
i'd avoid using CNAMEs at all when possible.

-w
> 
 @			IN SOA  ns1.centralinfo.net.  sreber.atltechgroup.com. (
                                2000082918  ; serial number
                                14400    ; refresh
                                3600     ; retry
                                2419200  ; expire
                                86400 )   ; minimum
>            		IN NS   ns1.centralinfo.net.
>                       IN NS   ns2.centralinfo.net.
>                       IN A    63.105.24.23
>                       IN MX   0 @
> mail			IN A    63.105.24.23
> ftp        		IN A    63.105.24.23
> heorot		IN A	63.105.24.23
> www			IN A	63.105.24.23
> 
> The should only be one A record per address, the rest should be
> CNAMEs.  Only names should have a period after them (not addresses).  The
> name specified in the MX record must be directly resolvable via an A record.
> 
> At 11/28/00 03:42 PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote:
> 
> >         Any one know of a good guide for setting up domain names? I've got
> >www.1nova.com which seems to sometimes work fine, but some people have
> >problems sending stuff to it or getting to www.1nova.com/freebsd yet
> >something like heorot.1nova.com works just fine. I've got MX records for
> >mail, ftp, www, heorot all setup... So I don't know what else I'm
> >missing. Thanks in advance!
> >
> >                                         Rick
> >
> >*******************************************************************
> >Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd
> >Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware
> >***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org
> 
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I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:

whistler# vnconfig /dev/vn0 backup.iso
whistler# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
cd9660: Invalid argument

I tried the same thing, but with mount_cd9660 and 4.2-S and got the same error.
Unfortunately I didn't find the solution anywhere. Does anyone know how to fix
this? 

I don't have vn compiled into the kernel, but kldstat shows that vn.ko is
loaded.

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Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> 
> I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:

Actually, this is what I tried, sorry.

vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
mount_cd9660: Invalid argument


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Doug Young <dougy@bryden.apana.org.au> types:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

Please don't do that. Send plain text, so we don't have to look at
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Now to the question:

> Would someone suggest where to find information on the various kernel =
> security levels available in 4.2 RELEASE ? I'm having trouble getting =
> apache to start ..... it keeps giving error messages saying "httpd could =
> not start" & fully qualified domain name could not be found" (the =
> machine does have a public IP & FQDN)=20

It's in the init(8) man page. But I don't think that's the problem.

> I don't recall having to mess with httpd.conf in earlier versions of =
> FreeBSD, so I'm wondering if maybe the kernel security level is somehow =
> responsible .=20

Given that, I'd check /etc/rc.conf for hostname info, /etc/host.conf
to make sure your host name lookup is configured properly, and
/etc/resolv.conf for dns setup.

> It looks like ipfw is installed, posibly by default when the higher =
> security levels are requested=20
> (theres what looks like an "ipfw" executable), "ipfw' spits out a page =
> full of stuff, but theres nothing
> about "ipfw" in "rc.conf

That would be the security level in install, which is a different
thing than the kernel security level, though the install security
level you choose may set a kernel security level (sorry, I'm not
familiar with install security levels).

> I can't find anything that looks like a config file (maybe not relevant =
> to ipfw ??), "man ipfw" doesn't help because its pretty vague, & the =
> handbook isn't much better.

"Man ipfw gives you a list of valid commands.

> I've tried running "ipfw -a", "ipfw -t", "ipfw -N" plus combinations =
> thereof, but they don't appear to do anything.=20

None of the ipfw invocation templates on the man page match any of
those commands. They shouldn't do anything but spit out a help page -
which also doesn't list any of those. Try "ipfw show" to see what
rules you're using.

If ipfw is causing the error you're seeing, it's because the firewall
has screwed up your DNS.

	 <mike
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Wed Nov 29 18:28:30 2000
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Booo Bo <bradley_watts@hotmail.com> types:
> Hi there,
> When launching multiple xterm sessions, if I recieve error messages on one 
> Xterm session (i.e. sending mail yeilds a response, ["root... Recipient 
> names must be specified Nov 28 21:01:26 30140362600 sendmail[833]: 
> gethostbyaddr(24.68.123.209) failed: 2"], they appear on all other Xterm 
> sessions. This is anoying, as when I am writing code it over writes text in 
> all my other Xterm sessions. Is there anything I can do to fix? I am running 
> Freebsd 4.0

It looks like you're running as root. Create a user for yourself, and
log in as that user, then su to root.

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I installed wget on a machine at work to use to mirror
our web site (on a public isp) on the machine at work.
I appears to work fine, but when it finished I tried to
load the web page, but it couldn't find the style sheet.
I looked in the directory and saw that it certainly did
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Hi,
I was reading and i found out that FreeBSD is developped in two =
"bunches".=20
The first one is the released one, the "official" one (Which i assume i
FreeBSD 4.0?)
The second is not really a Beta, but has new features (Which are not as
throughly checked as the ones in the "official" version) - this =
"post-beta"
version, I assume is 4.1.1.

With this is mind, Which one would be more appropriate for a Web/PHP =
Server
on the Internet? (This is a Pentium III 800, 128MB Ram, 10GB IDE Drive, =
It
is running some deamons - perl deamons - with many processes... - for =
more
info, refer to my previous e-mail about machine crashing...)

Thanks!



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Problem fixed by recompiling Kernel with 96 maxusers....

Cheers!
Roy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alfred Perlstein [mailto:bright@wintelcom.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 9:27 PM
> To: Roy Nasser
> Cc: 'freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG'
> Subject: Re: Memory utilization rises too much, and then machine
> crashes...
> 
> 
> * Roy Nasser <roy@vem.ca> [001128 15:22] wrote:
> > 
> > After a while, the memory (with 3 servers) falls to 
> literally 0kb, and the
> > machine stops handling requests, with an error that says: "no more
> > processes" whenever i try to enter any command... The 
> machine must be
> > forcefully restarted (as not even reboot or shutdown 
> commands work), and
> > then brought up again...
> > 
> 
> Have you increased maxusers in your kernel config file?
> I would set it to at least 64.
> You really should have more memory for a server, most of our
> boxes have at least 256MB.
> 
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* Ryan Breding <rbreding@drizzle.theriver.nu>:
>
> I keep getting these messages in the /var/log/message output:
>
> Nov 25 15:12:30 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> from 127.0.0.1:2844
> Nov 25 15:13:54 drizzle /kernel: Connection attempt to UDP 127.0.0.1:512
> from 127.0.0.1:2851
>
> I have checked on the UDP connections to port 512 and it seems that it is
> "biff".  Is there a setting to turn biff off or am I on the wrong trail
> ?  I dont see biff running in the process list.

What you are seeing is Sendmail trying to connect to the comsat service to
notify for new mail arrivals.  This feature can be disabled in your .mc file
before you generate your sendmail.cf with:

    FEATURE(no_default_msa)dnl

For more information on this, look at /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/cf/README:

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wibble <wibble@obsidian.co.za> said:
>
> I was wondering if it was possible to mount an ISO image of a CD.. I've
> seen it done in Linux.. Does BSD have an equivalent ability?

Yes, of course.  Look in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT for 'device vn',
and man vnconfig(8).  This is usually a matter of simply doing:

    # vnconfig /dev/vn0 /some/file.iso
    # mount -t iso9660 /dev/vn0 /mnt

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:

> Yes, of course.  Look in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT for 'device vn',
> and man vnconfig(8).  This is usually a matter of simply doing:
> 
>     # vnconfig /dev/vn0 /some/file.iso
>     # mount -t iso9660 /dev/vn0 /mnt
> 
> - giorgos

The fs type is cd9660, not iso9660.

G

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Roy Nasser wrote:

> Hi,
> I was reading and i found out that FreeBSD is developped in two "bunches". 
> The first one is the released one, the "official" one (Which i assume i
> FreeBSD 4.0?)
> The second is not really a Beta, but has new features (Which are not as
> throughly checked as the ones in the "official" version) - this "post-beta"
> version, I assume is 4.1.1.

No. The two main branches are currently RELENG_4 (4.x-STABLE) and HEAD
(aka 5.0-CURRENT). 4.0, 4.1, 4.1.1 and 4.2-RELEASE are all just periodic
snapshots of the 4.x-STABLE branch. You can get the latest 4.x-STABLE
sources in a number of ways - see the handbook section for more detail.

> With this is mind, Which one would be more appropriate for a Web/PHP Server
> on the Internet?

The stable branch :)

G

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Matt Bettinger wrote:

>i'm at a total loss here.  I guess i just need a breather...  I been at =
this
>for a week now.  I looked at the manual from freebsd.org dialup =
firewall,  i
>followed that exactly with the exception of changing my interface  to =
ppp0.
>I am on a dialup 56k modem   ppp0,  cuaa0,  user ppp.  I am having the
>hardest time for some reason just trying to get something that works.
>Please dont point me to the list serve archives i have looked there and
>really don't see much about the actual rules.

There is a third choice which you may find is the easiest; use ppp's own
firewall and (if necessary) nat.  I find it works very well for my simple
dial-up connection and you wont even need to compile anything extra into
the kernel.  Also it has simple 'dial' filters which can be set to =
prevent
dialups that you don't want.

Have a look at /usr/share/examples/ppp/ppp.conf.sample and man ppp of =
course.

If you do decide to use it bear in mind there's a small bug that causes
syntax errors on filter lines with more than one space before the =
trailing
remarks eg:
  set filter alive 1 deny udp dst eq 520     # routed
should be changed to:
  set filter alive 1 deny udp dst eq 520 # routed

This has been fixed but only recently.

>
>I guess first of all  I'm confused as  to which one to use, right now i
>really don't see that much of a difference so i guess i'll use IPFilter.=
  I
>don't need any crazy rulesets as this is just a dialup i would like to
>return RST for port 113.  Again i am on a dilaup connection i don't
>understand if i should be using natd or what have you.  Do i need to be
>using natd ?  Someone was helping me and told me to add dummynet and
>bridging and all these things that are over my head, and don't appear
>necessary with this simple lame-o dialup....   help?
>

You only need nat (network address translation) if you have other pcs
connecting to the internet via the one you're configuring.

HTH
John.


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Amit Tantia <amit@tallysolutions.com> types:
> Hello,
> 
> I have an free bsd 4.1.1 running on my system with Apache...and I have an
> AMD K6 with 400 mbs ram...I am looking out for a ram disk driver for our
> system
> 
> Normally, when you write out to a file the operating system has disk drivers
> which write the data out to a physical disk. Some programmers have written
> drivers that use memory and make that memory look like a hard drive to the
> operating system. This means when you read file from the disk the read
> happens VERY VERY quickly (much faster than reading from a hard drive).
> 
> If any one can help me with locating the best source of for a ram disk
> driver...I would be very grateful.

You want md. It's limited to a 10 meg disk (may vary with
version). Mfs doesn't have that problem, but it's backed by swap so
that if you run out of memory, you wind up writing to disk *anyway*.

Of course, your initial assumption (that writing out to a file has to
wait for disk) is false, thanks to buffer caches. On writes, the
system just copies the data to a memory buffer and returns, and the
write to disk will happen later. A memory disk will be faster for a
number of reasons. On the other hand, if you're short of real memory,
the space you set aside for md may be just enough to push your
software into thrashing, in which case it will be a *lot* slower.

In other words, things are not as simple as they look. You should
*measure* your performance on all three kinds of disk, with various
mount options (soft updates comes very much to mind, as does async -
which soft updates disables).

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Gary <medmanks@mindspring.com> types:
> >> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
> >> Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
> >> command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> R>         Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.
> Can also type %(name of program) to bring it back (at least in Linux)

This is a feature of the shell, not the OS. Bash, csh and FreeBSD's
/bin/csh all support it.

Peter <peterk@americanisp.net> types:
> >       Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.
> >
> 
> I have tried this on RH 6.1 box, have yet to try on FBSD but, can I do
> that to processes moving them from on telnet session into another one?

> How about from a tty to an xterm in X?

You need an external seesion manager to do this (possibly RH's bash
does fills that role). Personally, I use xemacs, and then do
"gnuclient -nw' get xemacs to start a frame on my tty.

If xemacs is a bit more than you want to deal with, look into the
screen utility, which is in the ports tree.

	<mike

> On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Rick Hamell wrote:
> 
> >
> > > Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit cntrl-C.
> > > Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns me to the
> > > command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> >
> > 	Use ps to fine the pid, then fg with the pid to bring it back.
> >
> >
> >
> > 				Rick
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Will ipfw count ips not binded to the box?

FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Chip Marshall wrote:

> On November 29, 2000, Joe Oliveiro sent me the following:
> > I need to monitor the ip traffic of the network without each and every
> > computer running a snmpd. For this i have ran FE from the router to a hub
> > then the hub to the rest of the network. Now i'm looking for a program
> > which will sniff the network and create stats of bandwidth usage per ip
> > address. Is there such a program that already exists?
> 
> One of the tricks I've used to do this sort of thing in the past is to
> setup and ipfw rule for each ip address you want to monitor. By using
> ipfw count rules, you can get a count of the number of packets and
> number of bytes matching each rule, then you just need a script to
> check this from time to time and record it.
> 
> It's not a great solution, but it works.
> 
> -- 
> Chip Marshall <chip@chocobo.cx> http://www.chocobo.cx/chip/ Finger for PGP
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jeny@FreeBSD.ORG types:

Well, I'm going to find out if that email address really exists.

> [URL]

Which was the standard porn javascript trap.

Did someone who gets all the headers drop a note to @abuse about this
one?

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George Reid <greid@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> > Yes, of course.  Look in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT for 'device vn',
> > and man vnconfig(8).  This is usually a matter of simply doing:
> > 
> >     # vnconfig /dev/vn0 /some/file.iso
> >     # mount -t iso9660 /dev/vn0 /mnt
> > 
> > - giorgos
>
> The fs type is cd9660, not iso9660.

Oops!  My linux background is not yet diminished.  Ah well.
Thank you for the correction, anyway :)))

- giorgos


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Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > 
> > I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:
> vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
> mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> mount_cd9660: Invalid argument

It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:

su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
cd9660: Invalid argument

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Hello List-

I have a virgin install of 4.2 running on a AMD Ahtlon 700. VIA Chipset.

I did do a kernel recompile to disable a few things (especially the apm
since I was getting those clock going backward errors), anyways....

My problem:

I have a 4.1.1 system sitting next to it which I am using as my base of
operations and copying parts of config files, etc...

I ssh into the 4.2 system and start up pico/vi or stay at the command
prompt. On the 4.1.1 system I open up a file in pico or vi and select some
lines to paste. I then do a SHIFT+INS  to paste and the term freezes like
a rock (middle mouse for paste has the same effect). I have to start
another ssh session and kill the initial ssh session. Killing the editor
or shell isn't doing it.

Using default xterm on both systems
Shell: tcsh on both systems

Can't think of what else matters?

I did notice when I do one line pastes it works fine. I did see a thread
on here that mentioned a brerak point of 34 lines for freezing or not
freezing when pasting, but I have never seen this before and have often
pasted more then 34 lines.

Also, I noticed it will sometimes paste 3 and a half lines, other times
just half a line, etc... a buffer problem?

NIC's are Intel Etherexpress Pro on the 4.2  and a 3C905c on the 4.1.1 .



Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks!


Henrik



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Sorry to post this, but if someone does respond to my previous message in
regards to the "Freezing xterm" could you send it directly to me or CC
me. I am not on the list. 

Thanks again!


Henrik



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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Erik Rothwell wrote:
> I couldn't get KDE2 to run properly, though I didn't try with languages
> other than English. KDE2 seems to load up fine, but you have to kill th=
e X
> server to get out of it, going to LOGOUT doesn't appear to work.

You know, I'm having the same exact problem.  I just got done installing=20
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Joey Garcia wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Erik Rothwell wrote:
> > I couldn't get KDE2 to run properly, though I didn't try with languages
> > other than English. KDE2 seems to load up fine, but you have to kill the X
> > server to get out of it, going to LOGOUT doesn't appear to work.
> 
> You know, I'm having the same exact problem.  I just got done installing
> FreeBSD 4.2 and installed KDE 2.0 via the packages system.  (I too could
> never get the ports to compile correctly)  It seems that the logout buttons
> don't work at all.  It's kind of annoying having to kill the X server in
> order to get out of KDE.  I guess that's what happens when running "made for
> Linux" software.

I'm running KDE-2 just fine. They just fixed kscd so that I can play
my audio CD's. If you are having problems, something in the your
dependancy tree isn't built right. You have to have removed qt and all
of the KDE1 stuff. The other ports in the dependancy list also have to
be current. Then it will take a few hours to build but it works just
fine.

Kent

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Greets to all.

I am using FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE (CTM 4.0342), but this problem has persisted
throughout several upgrades of the machine.  This box is used as a packet
filtering firewall with network address translation for a small, private 
class-C
network (192.168.0.0/24).  Besides a minor problem with ICQ logging off about
every ten minutes and then coming back on, all machines behind the firewall 
have
as normal TCP, UDP, etc. access as you could expect from NAT.

The problem is: TCP access on the actual FreeBSD machine is flaky at best.  
For
some reason, I can only connect to about 50% of all sites I have attempted.
This problem affects FTP (and the ports collection), HTTP (and the Squid 
proxy),
and probably all TCP-based traffic.  The same 50% of the sites I cannot access
remain constant.  ICMP seems not affected.

What appears to happen on the "dead" sites is a DNS lookup and an eventual
timeout.  The same DNS servers are used by the FreeBSD machine as well as
machines behind the firewall, so I do not believe I am a victim of defective 
DNS
servers.

I know this is not a problem with the NAT configuration because I have shut 
off
NAT completely and used the FreeBSD machine as a regular client.  Of course 
the
problem persists.

I have to load at least a minimal IPFW rule set since the machine's ports are
closed by default.  For now, I am using a minor variation of the "open" rule 
set
from FreeBSD's default rc.firewall.  Neither the original rc.firewall rule set
nor the set I'm using result in proper communication from the physical FreeBSD
machine.

For record, the IPFW rule set is

/sbin/ipfw -f flush
/sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via tun0
/sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any
/sbin/ipfw add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0
/sbin/ipfw add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8

and the natd rule set is

log no
deny_incoming no
same_ports yes
dynamic yes
verbose no
interface tun0
redirect_port tcp 192.168.0.2:2000-2020 2000-2020

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I'm not sure if this query was
"technical" enough for the net list, so I posted it here.  Apologies if 
posting
to this list was in error.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I'm not sure if this query was
"technical" enough for the net list, so I posted it here.  Apologies if 
posting
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Hi all,
I have never had this problem before so am not sure how to handle this.
I added a new hard disk to my computer (4th SCSI disk) which already had
3.4-stable. everything was fine. I could mount the CDROM.

then i said,let me install 4.0 from the DCROM.
I changed the BIOS setup to change the boot sequence to be "CDROM, C, A"
on reboot, it said it "found a Bootable CDROM", then it said "the cdrom drive has
been changed from A: to B:"
then it went ahead and booted from the hard drive!!!

i tried everything and failed to boot from CDROM. in desparation I said if there
is no bootable C: it will pick the CDROM, so I formatted the hard disks and booted
again, now it complains no bootable device!!

I have checked the boot sequence, it is CDROM first.
I have a 450 MHz pretty recent computer, with Award BIOS, 4 SCSI HD, 1 SCSI CDROM.

any help will be appreciated. if possible cc me on the reply.

thanks,
shashi joshi



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	The last three tutorials on http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/
are about device drivers and may be helpful.  I thought I had just seen
some other documentation about writing drivers somewhere else on
www.freebsd.org  but now I can't find it.  You may also want to check out
the book "Linux device drivers"  it's O'reilly I think.  No idea how good
it is.  It may help you understand the linux driver to port it.
	You might have more luck studying the drivers for the other
buslogic controllers and talking to the author(s) of them.  They may have
some documentation on your device or may be working on a driver for it.

						Tim

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Chris Mutchler wrote:

> I have this SCSI controller, and unfortunately it appears to be the only
> BusLogic not currently supported by FreeBSD.  The card is supported by
> linux, and so I thought that I might be able to port the driver into
> FreeBSD.
> 
> Does anyone know of a resource that might assist me in this process.  Or
> has anyone already done this for themselves?  Any help would be
> appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> Chris Mutchler.
> 
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I can get to all of that stuff just fine.  Might be a routing issue.

-Ben

On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 03:42:23PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote:
> 
> 	Any one know of a good guide for setting up domain names? I've got
> www.1nova.com which seems to sometimes work fine, but some people have
> problems sending stuff to it or getting to www.1nova.com/freebsd yet
> something like heorot.1nova.com works just fine. I've got MX records for
> mail, ftp, www, heorot all setup... So I don't know what else I'm
> missing. Thanks in advance!
> 
> 					Rick
> 
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On Wednesday 29 November 2000 23:59, Duke Normandin wrote:
> I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it
> comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)
>
> Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about
> the transfer rate that follows:
>
> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
> 226 Transfer complete.
> ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.
>
> Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I
> can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ?
> Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....
>
> -duke
> Calgary,Alberta, Canada

what a wonderful word picture you paint!  this seems somewhat tardy tho.

I get 1100 kb/s from win9x -> freebsd over 10mbs with 5mb+ executables using 
the command line ftp client running in half duplex. You could try ensuring 
that whatever you select, both machines are set to the same settings. No 
autoselect/hardware default nonsense. I would also check you have installed 
the myriad of patches available for win95 and it's tcp/ip stack 


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Hello all,

I have finally wiped Windows off my hard drive, which is now shared by
Linux and FreeBSD.  I'm having a problem getting PPPoE up and going.
I've followed all the online documentation I could find, including the
Handbook, the man pages, the SympaticoUsers page (Sympatico is my
ISP), and several others. Kernel is recompiled, configuration files
changed as per the documentation. Now, the problem.  Apparently, I can
connect, as the console messages and logs reveal.  However, dns
lookups do not seem to work.  I can ping localhost and my hostname,
but I can't ping anything else.  I get a message saying that the host
lookup has failed. I have configured /etc/hosts /etc/host.conf and
/etc/resolv.conf as per directions in Handbook. I am running 4.1-REL.
I'm at a loss. Please let me know what other information is needed for
diagnosis. 

Thanks in advance.

Corvin


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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote:

> > You know, I'm having the same exact problem.  I just got done install=
ing
> > FreeBSD 4.2 and installed KDE 2.0 via the packages system.  (I too co=
uld
> > never get the ports to compile correctly)  It seems that the logout
> > buttons don't work at all.  It's kind of annoying having to kill the =
X
> > server in order to get out of KDE.  I guess that's what happens when
> > running "made for Linux" software.
>
> I'm running KDE-2 just fine. They just fixed kscd so that I can play
> my audio CD's. If you are having problems, something in the your
> dependancy tree isn't built right. You have to have removed qt and all
> of the KDE1 stuff. The other ports in the dependancy list also have to
> be current. Then it will take a few hours to build but it works just
> fine.
>
> Kent

So you're saying that it's better to install KDE from the ports collectio=
n=20
rather than using /stand/sysinstall and installing the pre-compiled packa=
ges?=20
 I installed the pre-compiled stuff and I'm having the logout problems. =20
Other than that it seems to work fine so far.  I think even the artsd sou=
nd=20
server starts up which actually didn't at first for some reason.  Maybe t=
hey=20
still have some kinks to work out.=20


Joey


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The other question I forgot to ask.  When running KDE 1.1.2 as root in
FreeBSD, the cursor keys, backspace and delete function as expected in the
shell console.  When running KDE as user, they are all screwy.  Where is
the configuration file to correct this?

TIA

Corvin

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Hi,

I'm running FreeBSD 4.0 and I've noticed that the hard drives on my
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Hey,

I'm experiencing a strange problem with dummynet.

I have a pipe setup so it limits to 9kB/s and the ipfw rule is:
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At 10:56 PM -0800 11/29/00, Brian and Myrna wrote:
>I am sure that you get a lot of these types of questions so here=20
>goes. I am completely new to Unix. I downloaded your software and=20
>had no trouble installing it. My question is, now that I have this=20
>stuff installed what do I do with it? In other words I realize that=20
>the free bsd will act as a firewall but other than that I don't know=20
>what to do with it. I have been looking at your manual a little bit=20
>but am not very confident in myself in regards to this type of=20
>stuff. I know this is very broad but do you get where I'am going?=20
>Please respond to=20
><mailto:bryhartline@hotmail.com>mailto:bryhartline@hotmail.com
>
>PS..
>
>This was extremely easy to install, it basically took care of itself=20
>and one other question. I went to two different sites to check my=20
>security after I installed this. The first site said my security=20
>wasd poor. It was able to open up my C drive, it was at=20
><http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm>http://www.robrob8.com/onl=20
>ine_security.htm. The second one gave me a great report and stated=20
>that my security was very good and it was at=20
><http://grc.com/>http://grc.com/. Any suggestions? I am eager to=20
>learn a little more about the Unix environment!
>


My favorite book for getting a beginner up to speed quickly on Unix=20
is called "Unix for the Impatient" by  Paul W. Abrahams and Bruce R.=20
Larson.  It's available on Barnes and Noble's website.  It tells you=20
a little bit about everything.

Another excellent book is "Learning the Unix Operating System" by=20
Grace Todino.  It's intended to guide you from knowing nothing about=20
Unix to being able to get around the basic shell commands in one=20
sit-down session.  Highly recommended.

Steve

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At 10:56 PM -0800 11/29/00, Brian and Myrna wrote:

<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I am sure that you
get a lot of these types of questions so here goes. I am completely new
to Unix. I downloaded your software and had no trouble installing it.
My question is, now that I have this stuff installed what do I do with
it? In other words I realize that the free bsd will act as a firewall
but other than that I don't know what to do with it. I have been
looking at your manual a little bit but am not very confident in myself
in regards to this type of stuff. I know this is very broad but do you
get where I'am going? Please respond to
<<mailto:bryhartline@hotmail.com>mailto:bryhartline@hotmail.com

=20

PS..

=20

This was extremely easy to install, it basically took care of itself
and one other question. I went to two different sites to check my
security after I installed this. The first site said my security wasd
poor. It was able to open up my C drive, it was at
<<http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm>http://www.robrob8.com/online_s=
ecurity.htm.
The second one gave me a great report and stated that my security was
very good and it was at <<http://grc.com/>http://grc.com/. Any
suggestions? I am eager to learn a little more about the Unix
environment!

=20

</smaller></fontfamily></excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>


</smaller></fontfamily>My favorite book for getting a beginner up to
speed quickly on Unix is called "Unix for the Impatient" by  Paul W.
Abrahams and Bruce R. Larson.  It's available on Barnes and Noble's
website.  It tells you a little bit about everything.


Another excellent book is "Learning the Unix Operating System" by Grace
Todino.  It's intended to guide you from knowing nothing about Unix to
being able to get around the basic shell commands in one sit-down
session.  Highly recommended.


Steve

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Ok one tip is that most people on a unix list will ignore email that is
sent in html as hotmail defaults to.  Go to preferences and switch it to
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Brian and Myrna wrote:

> I am sure that you get a lot of these types of questions so here goes.

Not to be rude, but if you're sure this gets asked a lot, why not look for
the answers to your questions first?  www.freebsd.org has a wealth of
resources for you.  You just have to use them.  Especially the FAQ, the
Handbook, and the tutorials (all links along the left side of the page.) 
Also check out the mailing list archives at
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#mailing-list
	Many questions are asked and answered repeatedly but have not made
it in the FAQ yet.  Check the archives first.  


>I am completely new to Unix. I downloaded your software and had no
>trouble installing it. My question is, now that I have this stuff

	excellent.  Good job getting it installed correctly by yourself.


>installed what do I do with it? In other words I realize that the free
>bsd will act as a firewall but other than that I don't know what to do
>with it. 

	Just about anything.  It can be a webserver, where you or your
friends log into it, it can act as a fileserver for a home network, a
router or name server (DNS) for that network, etc...  You can work on it
away from home.
	You can learn to program also.  There are c compilers, perl, c++,
python, java...    If you learn to program well you could eventually write
and contribute code to help make FreeBSD better.  That's the beauty of
free software.  By the way get a hold of "The C programming Language"
2nd ed. by Kernighan and Ritchie if you want to learn to program c (the
language most of the FreeBSD operating system is written in).

>I have been looking at your manual a little bit but am not very
>confident in myself in regards to this type of stuff. I know this is very

	Well why not just try things?  unless you have important data the
worst that could happen is that you hose the thing and have to reinstall.
you should back up any important data anyway.  I keep FreeBSD on two hard
drives and I play around with one and am more careful with the other.  The
best way to learn is to try so you've made a great start.

> 
> PS..
> 
> This was extremely easy to install, it basically took care of itself
and one other question. I went to two different sites to check my
security after I installed this. The first site said my security wasd
poor. It was able to open up my C drive, it was at
http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm. The second one gave me a
great report and stated that my security was very good and it was at
http://grc.com/. Any suggestions? I am eager to learn a little more about the Unix environment!

	Sure, see the handbook chapter on security
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/security.html    Once you've read that you
can look at some other resources to get a stronger security setup.  Look
through the archives and you should be able to find some good firewall
rulesets.  But if you don't have any data you couldn't afford to lose, you
don't need extreme security anyway.  Just do enough to keep other people
from using your internet connection for mal intent.
	Finally here are some good links for even more information:
http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/
http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jkb/howto.html  <--- good security howto
http://www.freebsddiary.org
http://www.potomacanglers.com/freebsd/
www.rootprompt.org
http://www.daemonnews.org
http://www.freebsdmall.com/
http://www.bsdtoday.com/
http://www.oreillynet.com/bsd/

	Ok have fun with that. :)

								Tim



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Yup, it wont create the file.  Someone also mentioned touching the
file. This will work, although you wont have the correct permissions on
the file. 

For me, i just echo "" > /var/log/logfile





On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Joe Loughry wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> > > If I just go into /var/log and delete that file, will there be any
> > > repercussions or will the daemon automatically create a new file?
> 
> The daemon will NOT automatically create the file.  This is a feature;
> it lets you easily turn off logging without having to modify any of
> the startup files--just delete the log file.
> 
> - -Joe
> 
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Brian,
In reguards to the "security test" that you got from 
http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm, It was nothing but a prank that 
would affect a windows user. here is how he did it.


<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 4.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<META http-equiv="refresh" content="1;
url=file:///C:/">
<title>YOUR SECURITY SYSTEM HAS FAILED! ACCESS HAS BEEN GRANTED</title>
</head>

<body background="images/back.gif">

<p align="center">&nbsp;</p>
<p align="center">&nbsp;</p>
<p align="center">&nbsp;</p>
<table border="4" width="100%" bordercolor="#FF0000" cellpadding="5" 
bgcolor="#FFFF00">
  <tr>
    <td width="100%">
      <p align="center"><font color="#FF0000" face="Verdana" size="6">ACCESS
      GRANTED</font>
      <p align="center"><font face="Verdana" size="4">YOUR DRIVE C WILL NOW 
BE
      DISPLAYED</font></td>
  </tr>
</table>

</body>

</html>



By looking at the code (above) of the page right before you find out "your 
security system has failed" you can see be the HTML that the page is told to 
refresh to your C: drive. Kind of like pressing this link- file:///C:/ (if 
your a windows user). You have nothing to worry about your perfectly secure. 
Hope this eases your mind ;-)

philip
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Brian and Myrna"
To:
Subject: New to Unix
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:56:46 -0800
I am sure that you get a lot of these types of questions so here goes. I am 
completely new to Unix. I downloaded your software and had no trouble 
installing it. My question is, now that I have this stuff installed what do 
I do with it? In other words I realize that the free bsd will act as a 
firewall but other than that I don't know what to do with it. I have been 
looking at your manual a little bit but am not very confident in myself in 
regards to this type of stuff. I know this is very broad but do you get 
where I'am going? Please respond to mailto:bryhartline@hotmail.com
PS..
This was extremely easy to install, it basically took care of itself and one 
other question. I went to two different sites to check my security after I 
installed this. The first site said my security wasd poor. It was able to 
open up my C drive, it was at http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm. 
The second one gave me a great report and stated that my security was very 
good and it was at http://grc.com/. Any suggestions? I am eager to learn a 
little more about the Unix environment!
Thank you very much!
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Hi!
 I have faced following problem:
 I've installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 on WD drive with LBA mode on. (BSD Partition
is primary ~600M and the very first on drive)  
 Everything works fine, except that on the very first boot stage (BMX
loader)
 the system works VERY SLOW (it takes about several minutes to get to the
kernel 
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head 
 hits   somethig. But after the kernel starts loading - everythig works
fine. 
 After trying different choises of disk geometry in BIOS setup 
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when setting LARGE mode.
 I can't use this mode permanently , cause I have several OSes more on this
drive and they won't boot 
 in any mode except LBA.
 In the logs I see that the FreeBSD system thinks that the drive C/H/S
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ahhhhhhhh ..... that answers a question 
I was wondering why I had to mess with permissions  :)  :)


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> 
> Yup, it wont create the file.  Someone also mentioned touching the
> file. This will work, although you wont have the correct permissions on
> the file. 
> 
> For me, i just echo "" > /var/log/logfile
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Joe Loughry wrote:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > > > If I just go into /var/log and delete that file, will there be any
> > > > repercussions or will the daemon automatically create a new file?
> > 
> > The daemon will NOT automatically create the file.  This is a feature;
> > it lets you easily turn off logging without having to modify any of
> > the startup files--just delete the log file.
> > 
> > - -Joe
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Mikhail Teterin wrote (2000/11/29):
> How  do I  make force  my C-program  use the  right locale?  I could  do
> something like:
> 	setlocale(LC_ALL, getenv("LANG"))
> but is not that what specifying NULL is supposed to do?

No. There is a difference between NULL and "" - man setlocale:

     Only three locales are defined by default, the empty string "" which de-
     notes the native environment, and the "C" and "POSIX" locales, which de-
     note the C language environment.  A locale argument of NULL causes
     setlocale() to return the current locale.

... which for "" means that (man setlocale on Solaris) ...

     A value of "" for locale specifies that the locale should be
     taken  from  environment  variables.

-- 
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Try user-ppp instead of pppd ....... theres no end of tricky stuff it can do
like that

Hi all,

I wonder if there is a program to dial the modem to your favourite ISP,
activate pppd and establish an Internet connection automatically when
needed. Also, if the connection gets disconnected, to be able to
re-connect automatically.

Please CC on the answer, thanks in advance for your help.

Noor



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hi all,

how to configure NIC compex on FreeBSD-3.5 ??
i've tried to add dc0 just exactly like in FreeBSD-4.1 but it failed :(

thanks for your info

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Joey Garcia wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> > > You know, I'm having the same exact problem.  I just got done installing
> > > FreeBSD 4.2 and installed KDE 2.0 via the packages system.  (I too could
> > > never get the ports to compile correctly)  It seems that the logout
> > > buttons don't work at all.  It's kind of annoying having to kill the X
> > > server in order to get out of KDE.  I guess that's what happens when
> > > running "made for Linux" software.
> >
> > I'm running KDE-2 just fine. They just fixed kscd so that I can play
> > my audio CD's. If you are having problems, something in the your
> > dependancy tree isn't built right. You have to have removed qt and all
> > of the KDE1 stuff. The other ports in the dependancy list also have to
> > be current. Then it will take a few hours to build but it works just
> > fine.
> >
> > Kent
> 
> So you're saying that it's better to install KDE from the ports collection
> rather than using /stand/sysinstall and installing the pre-compiled packages?
>  I installed the pre-compiled stuff and I'm having the logout problems.
> Other than that it seems to work fine so far.  I think even the artsd sound
> server starts up which actually didn't at first for some reason.  Maybe they
> still have some kinks to work out.

LOL, yes more than a few kinks. If I were to assign a star for install
difficulty on a scale of 0-10, KDE2 would be a 11.5. However, once you
get it installed properly, it seems to work ok. I think KDE-2 is
shaking everything down and there are patches coming out for these
side modules, You won't get them with a package install. You have to
be cvsup'ing your ports to see if you are out of date. So, I don't
believe sysinstall will do a adequate job at this point. I would
compare KDE-2 with FreeBSD 3.0-release. That may be unfair but I'm not
sure which product that will be true for :). I didn't have any
problems with FreeBSD 3.1. What I read is that a 0.1 version is coming
out RSN and perhaps it will work better from the package environment.
The more feedback, the better it becomes. If you have a slow computer,
it will seem to take forever to do the builds. A really slow computer
would almost have to wait for the updated packages. For example, my
P-II 400 with 256MB of memory was compiling for about 12 hours
straight. With the ratios of 2 applied, a P-200 would take 48 hours.

What I did is use the equivalent of /usr/ports/sysutils/pib and
"pkg_version -v" to track down the dependancies. I started at the top
and worked to the bottom doing pkg_delete's and make cleans. Then I
built them back up. When I got the non-kde dependancies built, the
rest was pretty easy. All I did was a make and make install in
/usr/x11/kde2. Once you start each make, all you can do then is go off
and find something else to do. When I came back much later, it was
through building and it worked. 

When patches for kdemultimedia2 came out, you only had to rebuild it.
I haven't seen a package version at that level.

Kent

> 
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Hi,

I am trying to install an Hi,

I am trying to install an Apollo PCMCIA Ethernet adapter in my
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installation (4.1?) but I get as response:

driver allocation failed for ethernet (Adapter): Device not configured

can somebody help me?

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Dan Babb <bdan@c-zone.net> writes:

> i was just about to install big brother to use as a monitoring program for
> my network.  if you think that its full of security holes what would you
> recommend for network monitoring?

I've heard good things about mon (http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/)
The page is mostly Linux centric, but I'm going to try it on FreeBSD
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I have upgraded Freebsd from 4.1 to 4.2 RELEASE, but I have problems
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I want ask about freeebsd ...
Can I create partitions (freebsd partition,freebsd swap) with a different utility
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Hi i am Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz)

Could you please give me an e-mail of someone to talk with on making a =
FreeBSD reseller partnership=20
here in cyprus.

I am not explaining who am i, and who i am talking for.

because i want to talk with a guy from FreeBSD ....

please email me at: megahz@the-megahz.com

Andreas Constantinides (MegaHz)

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> as a note... don't delete all the sendmail files as qmail uses some of
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> sendmail libraries for sending.

Hi,

qmail has no dependance on any sendmail files. qmail runs without any
problems on machines that have never had sendmail installed.
However, applications use /usr/sbin/sendmail to locally inject mail.
That should be a softlink to qmail's sendmail impersonator. Or you can
use mailwrapper instead.

Regards

james



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Hi all,

We're about to buy a brand new Compaq ProLiant ML370 server with the
following hardware:

Pentium III 733Mhz (one CPU, expandable to two)
Dual Channel Ultra 2-3 Wide SCSI-3 card
4 x 9.1 GB Hot Plug Ultra-2 Wide SCSI-3 7200RPM
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The configuration will be RAID-1, each 2 disks will produce one Logical
disk.

My questions are:

1. Do I need a dual channel Raid controller to be able to connect the 4
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dual-processor configuration, a Compaq ProLiant DL360 locks when booting
the SMP kernel. Anyone knows if the ML370 has the same problem when
equipped with 2 CPU's?

3. What's the difference between ML370 and ML380?

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Heres a new issue that doesn't appear to have been mentioned previously =
:)

I built a 4.2 RELEASE system to replace my present 486 gateway box, but =
it wasn't til=20
after most of the configuration was complete that I noticed the system =
time was out.

Normally fixing this is merely a matter of running something like "date =
0011302230",
however when I try that I get "Time clamped to +1 second" !!!!!!!!!!!

I did try installing ntpd in the hope it might magically fix the thing =
... I even ran=20
"ntpd -g /var/run/ntpd.pid" after reading in man ntpd that the "g" =
switch lets ntpd
ignore an inbuilt 1000s "sanity" limit. Didn't make the slightest =
difference though.
I've checked that ntpd is running ..... well it does at least have a =
process number.=20

Does anyone have a clue what gives here ???
 
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was this before or after running mergemaster?

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}I have upgraded Freebsd from 4.1 to 4.2 RELEASE, but I have problems
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Hey Archie,

If we provide the funding for a few hours of effort, do you know anyone
who could take a look at this sooner rather than later?  The field of
view has been narrowed down pretty much and may be no more complicated
than which of the multiple md5.h header files is being used.

"Craig W. Penner" wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> > Your observations match ours exactly.  We also have a need to bring
> > skip along in 4.x (it still works with 4.0-RELEASE) to maintain and
> > expand existing VPN networks.
> 
> For what it's worth, I found that it still works with 4.1-RELEASE,
> but not with 4.1.1-RELEASE.  So it broke sometime during the two
> months that passed between those two releases.
> 
> > So it appears that the trouble is probably not with skip, itself, but
> > with the way it is linked into the OS or the crypto implementation.
> 
> That's the conclusion I arrived at as well, and if I had to guess, I
> would guess at the latter (the crypto implementation).  From the
> release notes for 4.1.1:
> 
> "Since 4.1-RELEASE was produced in August 2000, RSA released
> their code into the public domain and a number of
> other security enhancements were made possible through the
> FreeBSD project's permission to export cryptographic code
> from the United States. These changes are fully reflected in 4.1.1-
> RELEASE..."
> 
> Unfortunately, debugging this kind of a problem is somewhat
> outside my area of expertise.
> 
> > Hopefully Archie is right and it is something simple.  I wonder if it
> > would help if we would sponser the necessary effort?
> 
> That thought occurred to me as well, and this is something I might
> actually be able to help out with.  What would it take?
> 
> Craig


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On 29 Nov 00 at 17:52, David Kelly wrote:

>"Duke Normandin" writes:
>> I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it 
>> comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)
>> 
>> Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about 
>> the transfer rate that follows:
>> 
>> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
>> 226 Transfer complete.
>> ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.
>> 
>> Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I 
>> can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ? 
>> Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....
>
>Its not unusually low, but it is about 1/3 what 10baseT can do. After
>pushing the file, try pulling another copy (to another filename) back.

That's what I kinda thought, a bit slow. That CAT5e(nhanced) stuff has a 
bandwidth of 100Mbps though, so my poor results are not from using a dog 
of a cable. I'll try pulling the file back as you suggest, for hellery.

>To your credit, your file was large enough to be a good test. Often 
>newbies test on 100k files or something equally trivial.
>
>My gut feel is the Win95 machine is not going to run any faster. Then 
>again you don't say what CPU's are used.

486-66 20M = win95  486-66 32M = FBSD3.3R

>Between two FreeBSD 4.1 machines (P-III 450 and 500) on a full duplex
>100baseT switch I shot a copy of the 4.1-RELEASE ISO (~650MB) across at
>over 8MB/sec. Later played with a 17MB file and got the same on the
>first transfer but then pulling it back while it was probably still in
>cache on the other 128MB machine resulted in 11MB/sec. fxp0 ethernet on 
>both ends.

I guess that I can't expect a VW to motor along the Autobahn at the same 
rate as Porsche. ;,)

>Replacing one of the P-III's with an old AMD 5x86/133, 32MB, FreeBSD
>3.5, and a 10/100 de0 ethernet, maxed out at 1.5MB/sec.

Well, I should then be grateful for the transfer rate that I am getting. 
What a hell of drop you got. As suggested, I'm going to try setting the 
media (in one NIC anyway) and both to full-duplex if my Compaq NIC can do 
it. Thanks....

-duke
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On 29 Nov 00 at 18:28, Chen Xu wrote:

>* Duke Normandin <01031149@3web.net> [001129 18:14]:
>> I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it 
>> comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)
>> 
>> Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about 
>> the transfer rate that follows:
>> 
>> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
>> 226 Transfer complete.
>> ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.
>> 
>> Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I 
>> can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ? 
>> Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....
>> 
>> -duke
>> Calgary,Alberta, Canada
>
>I have a similar setup like yours. My ftp will get ~920Kbytes/sec. I
>think you might want to set the media for the NIC. 
>
>-- 
>Chen Xu  xuchen66@yahoo.com, xuc@saturn.med.nyu.edu
>---- See complete header for Organization -------

I guess I have to find out if either my 3c509B or Compaq Netflex support 
"media". I know that I can set the 3c509B to full duplex, but I'm not sure 
about the Compaq NIC -- no docs for it at Compaq. Later.....

-duke
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Today I install FreeBSD3.3 with  windows 95. I'm single user.
sometimes windows 95 give me much trouble so I try to use FreeBSD and like
to
need answer urgently of my few questions.
(1)
I create only one partition for /root  ---- 1700MB and another for swap  --
128MB.
I have RAM 128MB in my machine.
Do my partition is OK ?
(2)
In root (/) I mount my CDROM by this command :
    mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /cdrom
but I'm not able to mount CDROM from my user account. How I solve this
problem ?
please give suggestion same also of floppy.
Do I able to mount CDROM & FLOPPY in single command like /cdrom or /floppy ?
(3)
I have color monitor, I want to use colors  Directory for Red , File for
blue,
 Symbolic link for cyan,executable file for green . Which file I edit ?
(4)
I have printer Canon BJC-4300. How can print from it or by use default ?

Waiting your reply.
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I'm going to buy myself a new machine for Christmas to replace an elderly
and skip-rescued Pentium 133.

I was looking at a Thunderbird/Athlon 950 together with either a Asus AV7 or
Abit KT7 motherboard. These boards use the VIA KT133 (Via 686A) chipsets.
The Abit board uses a HTP 370 ide controller, whilst the Asus board uses a
Promise ATA100 ide controller. Having looked at the archives I think there
are a few potential pitfalls, and I was wondering what their current status
is:

+ bug in timer code, means can't use APM
+ DMA access with VIA chipsets: some HD & MB combinations won't work
+ ATA-100 modes: will they work ?
+ memory: some memory won't work well with Athlons.

Or should I stay with Intel ? Related advice is gratefully received.

Thanks, Harry

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chip wrote:

> I installed wget on a machine at work to use to mirror
> our web site (on a public isp) on the machine at work.
> I appears to work fine, but when it finished I tried to
> load the web page, but it couldn't find the style sheet.
> I looked in the directory and saw that it certainly did
> not download the basic.css. I have it set to mirror all
> files. Any ideas what I should look for to make sure it
> does in fact get all files (an exact mirror)?
> 
To mirror a web server exactly, I use the admin ftp account to mirror it 
recursively.

I.e. one of our servers is http://www.example.org/, to mirror it I just 
use my admin ftp account:

wget -r ftp://ftp.example.org/path/to/server/directory.

I had no succes to get a complete mirrow via http, since wget is dumb 
about flash, cgi's, servlets...

HTH
-Christoph Sold



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Just my .02 here. IIRC, Windows seems to max out around 1472 for the MTU,
otherwise there are lots of collisions on the net. I set the MTU on my FBSD
box to 1472 and no collisions. This may affect your throughput, if only
marginally.

Bob

"Duke Normandin" writes:
> I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it 
> comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)
> 
> Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about 
> the transfer rate that follows:
> 
> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
> 226 Transfer complete.
> ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.
> 
> Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I

> can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ? 
> Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....

Its not unusually low, but it is about 1/3 what 10baseT can do. After
pushing the file, try pulling another copy (to another filename) back.

To your credit, your file was large enough to be a good test. Often 
newbies test on 100k files or something equally trivial.

My gut feel is the Win95 machine is not going to run any faster. Then 
again you don't say what CPU's are used.



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You are right. It is the MX IP that must resolve both ways. Shame there 
are some providers who don't worry about reverse lookup.

HTH
-Christoph Sold

Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:

> That does not seem right...
> 
> Not every company even HAS an ip address for their domian, especially when
> they are just using it for mail. after all, for mail, all you need is an MX
> record....
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Sold [mailto:so@server.i-clue.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:03 PM
> To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe
> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Sendmail rulesets.
> 
> 
> Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
> 
>> Hi, folks...
>> 
>> i'm running 4.2-STABLE with an updated sendmail.cf file, and i'm getting
>> some strange things going on...
>> 
>> here's a message i get a lot:
>> 
>> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916: ruleset=check_mail,
>> arg1=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net
>> [209.226.175.139], reject=451 4.1.8 <paulf@canadianalliance.ca>... Domain
>> of sender address paulf@canadianalliance.ca does not resolve
>> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916:
>> from=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, size=10963, class=0, nrcpts=0,
>> proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]
>> 
>> What exactly can it not resolve? I resolve canadianalliance.ca just fine
> 
> on
> 
>> that machine...
> 
> 
> Both forward and reverse name mapping must resolve. That is,  if a.b.com
> resolves to 1.2.3.4, 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa must resolve to a.b.com.
> 
> Just check this is the case using either dig or nslookup for the host(s)
> in question.
> 
> HTH
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:29:58PM -0000, Newton, Harry wrote:
> I'm going to buy myself a new machine for Christmas to replace an elderly
> and skip-rescued Pentium 133.
> 
> I was looking at a Thunderbird/Athlon 950 together with either a Asus AV7 or
> Abit KT7 motherboard. These boards use the VIA KT133 (Via 686A) chipsets.
> The Abit board uses a HTP 370 ide controller, whilst the Asus board uses a
> Promise ATA100 ide controller. Having looked at the archives I think there
> are a few potential pitfalls, and I was wondering what their current status
> is:
> 
> + bug in timer code, means can't use APM

APM works fine on my A7V

> + DMA access with VIA chipsets: some HD & MB combinations won't work

Working fine here with an IBM 20gb drive

> + ATA-100 modes: will they work ?

Working fine with an IBM 46.1gb drive :)

> + memory: some memory won't work well with Athlons.

As far as I know any PC100 or PC133 RAM will work on the A7V

> Or should I stay with Intel ? Related advice is gratefully received.

Personally I'm really happy with my A7V :)

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Matt Rudderham wrote:

> Hi,
> I was wondering if someone could recommend some tools for reporting usage of
> sendmail and apache. Preferably something that can create a html document
> with a graph of the amout of mail for sendmail or requests for Apache that
> have been processed. Logs are great, but they can be time consuming when
> loads get up.  I'd prefer something free and open source. Thanks
> 
> - Matt

For Apache logs, I use both Analog as well as Webalizer. Both are 
available in the ports.
Both produce nice html output including graphics. Just add a 
access-restricted directory to your server and redirect the output 
there. Both may be run from chron.

HTH
-Christoph Sold



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Hi!

Does someone know if its possible to run ASP on a FreeBSD based Apache
webserver?
Ive looked at ChiliSoft's ASP, but it doesnt seem to support the BSD
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It does however support linux. Does anyone know if the FreeBSD linux
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i installed the linux-gtk port from the 4.0 toolkit, but when attempting
to run netscape6 i still get the error message:

error in loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared
	object file: no such file or directory

anyone know what the problem is?  should that library file be included in
linux-gtk or do i need another port as well?

any help would be appriciated.

peace,
brian


		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Nick Slager wrote:

> Thus spake brian william wolter (bwolter@thesadmachine.org):
>
> > has anyone seen a fbsd port of netscape 6.0 or am i going to have to use
> > the linux version?
>
> The linux version works fine. You'll have to install the linux-gtk port
> for the install, though.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Nick
>
> --
>  From a Sun Microsystems bug report (#4102680):
>   "Workaround: don't pound on the mouse like a wild monkey."
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> check my security after I installed this. The first site said my 
> security wasd poor. It was able to open up my C drive, it was at 
> http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm. The second one gave me 

I'd like to point out that this site is a crock... digging through the 
html, when you click on the link of course it will show your c drive if 
you're running a windoze type machine. Look at the link...

<META http-equiv="refresh" content="1; 
url=file:///C:/">

It directs your browser (at least in IE which is integrated with the OS 
and can browse files and directories) to open up a window showing your 
c drive. It will do it any time you open the link because the browser 
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On 30 Nov 00 at 6:51, Mark Rowlands wrote:

>On Wednesday 29 November 2000 23:59, Duke Normandin wrote:
>> I'm kinda like a monkey trying to copulate a football/soccer ball when it
>> comes to my new toy --- my mickey-mouse 10baseT LAN ;,)
>>
>> Anyway..... ftped my first file from win95 to 3.3R box. I'm curious about
>> the transfer rate that follows:
>>
>> 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'dr703.exe'.
>> 226 Transfer complete.
>> ftp: 6243908 bytes sent in 18.40Seconds 339.34Kbytes/sec.
>>
>> Is this an acceptable transfer rate? If it's not, is there anything that I
>> can do with my existing hardware - 3c509 <CAT 5e x-over> Compaq Netflex ?
>> Would setting both to full duplex (if possible) help? Tia....
>>
>> -duke
>> Calgary,Alberta, Canada
>
>what a wonderful word picture you paint!  this seems somewhat tardy tho.

I call it like it is ;) What's tardy - the transfer rates, or my 
"word picture"? ;,)

>I get 1100 kb/s from win9x -> freebsd over 10mbs with 5mb+ executables using 
>the command line ftp client running in half duplex. You could try ensuring 

1100 kb/s = 1.1Mbps. Unless my math is wrong, this is not great either when 
10BaseT with Cat5 can do 4-10Mbps according to the books I've got here on 
my desk. Of course, your rate is a heck of a lot better than mine.

>that whatever you select, both machines are set to the same settings. No 
>autoselect/hardware default nonsense. I would also check you have installed 

I assume you mean the NIC settings on both machines?

>the myriad of patches available for win95 and it's tcp/ip stack 

My ISP's required BS software needed winsock2 - an enhanced version I 
gather. I didn't realize that they might have enhanced the "enhanced". 
I'll check into that as well. Thanks...

-duke
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brian william wolter wrote:
> 
> i installed the linux-gtk port from the 4.0 toolkit, but when attempting
> to run netscape6 i still get the error message:
> 
> error in loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared
>         object file: no such file or directory
> 
> anyone know what the problem is?  should that library file be included in
> linux-gtk or do i need another port as well?
> 
> any help would be appriciated.
> 
> peace,
> brian
> 
>                 t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> 
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Nick Slager wrote:
> 
> > Thus spake brian william wolter (bwolter@thesadmachine.org):
> >
> > > has anyone seen a fbsd port of netscape 6.0 or am i going to have to use
> > > the linux version?
> >
> > The linux version works fine. You'll have to install the linux-gtk port
> > for the install, though.
> >
> > Regards,

I cheated and and used the start.sh in the linux-netscape6 port, named it
netscape6, chmod, and placed it in /usr/local/bin.

#!/bin/sh
cd /usr/local/lib/linux-netscape6
exec ./netscape

Netscape6 worked fine after that.

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Hello, 
does somebody know if some version of Windows supports IPv6?
And does Samba work with IPv6?
And what about performance?

-- 
Igor' Robul', Unix System Administrator & Programmer @ sanatorium "Raduga", 
Sochi, Russia
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 06:43:54AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote:
> On 29 Nov 00 at 17:52, David Kelly wrote:
> >My gut feel is the Win95 machine is not going to run any faster. Then 
> >again you don't say what CPU's are used.
> 
> 486-66 20M = win95  486-66 32M = FBSD3.3R
[...]
> >Replacing one of the P-III's with an old AMD 5x86/133, 32MB, FreeBSD
> >3.5, and a 10/100 de0 ethernet, maxed out at 1.5MB/sec.
> 
> Well, I should then be grateful for the transfer rate that I am getting. 
> What a hell of drop you got. As suggested, I'm going to try setting the 
> media (in one NIC anyway) and both to full-duplex if my Compaq NIC can do 
> it. Thanks....

I wasn't clear as to whether or not yrou 3com cards are 10baseT or
10/100. Guess I could have looked up the model numbers.

Anyhow, my 5x86/133 is a most accurately described as a 486DX4/133 as
its CPU is a 486, the bus runs 33 MHz, internally it goes 4x.

A 486-33 could saturate the wire if its not blocked by HD I/O. It
can't send the data down the wire faster than it can read/write from
the HD. My old WD 240MB IDE drives ran 600k Bytes/sec with 100% CPU
utilization. This is back in the days when many of us cut our teeth
and learned to love SCSI. Today the performance differences are not
so clear cut.

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======================================================================
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	>Hello, 
	>does somebody know if some version of Windows supports IPv6?

	As far as I know Win2k will support IPv6 in the near feature, don't
	know if that is when Whistler is ready or a patch will be made to
	exsisting W2k.  

	>And does Samba work with IPv6?

	If you use the IPv6 translation in 4.0 and greater this shouldn't be
a
	problem, information about IPv6 and Freebsd is found on freebsd.org.

	PeTe

	>-- 
	>Igor' Robul', Unix System Administrator & Programmer @ sanatorium
>"Raduga", 
	>Sochi, Russia
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hi
i am using an webmail wriiten at php
i get following error  in apache error log
[Thu Nov 30 18:23:39 2000] [notice] child pid 20312 exit signal Bus
Error (10)
[Thu Nov 30 18:23:49 2000] [notice] child pid 27826 exit signal Bus
Error (10)
[Thu Nov 30 18:24:05 2000] [notice] child pid 25297 exit signal Bus
Error (10)

 and in  /var/log/messages file
Nov 30 14:26:52 helsinki httpd[13172]: IMAP toolkit crash: Bad msgno 4
in mail_elt, nmsgs = 3
Nov 30 15:52:17 helsinki httpd[6741]: IMAP toolkit crash: Bad msgno 5 in
mail_elt, nmsgs = 4
Nov 30 15:52:58 helsinki [2349]: IMAP toolkit crash: Bad msgno 5 in
mail_elt, nmsgs = 4

what is problem
bye



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From: David Kelly <dkelly@HiWAAY.net>
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Subject: Re: ftp transfer rates on my LAN
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:33:24AM -0500, bob@sfcei.com wrote:
> Just my .02 here. IIRC, Windows seems to max out around 1472 for the MTU,
> otherwise there are lots of collisions on the net. I set the MTU on my FBSD
> box to 1472 and no collisions. This may affect your throughput, if only
> marginally.

Ethernet collisions are not bad. Don't sweat 'em until/if they reach
150% to 200%. A 1500 octet packat takes a while to send. But a"collision"
happens in the first 64, takes very little wire time. Many NICs do not
report these collisions at all. Don't believe I've seen them on 3com
NICs I have used. Rather those NICs report *late* collisions which are
bad, very bad, indicating a protocol implementation error, hardware
failure, or a network which is too long. Yup, the network can get so
big the speed of light is no longer fast enough to meet the ethernet
timing specs.

An analysis I no longer can find the URL for showed a 200% collision
rate on 10 Mbps ethernet resulted in an 8% reduction in network
capacity. So don't sweat the collisions.

In this thread the user has two machines connected point-to-point with
a crossed cable. No way for collisions to occur. There might be some
advantage to turning on full duplex, which I've never seen auto-negotiated
when connected that way, only when connected to a switch which does
something to suggest to the machine that full duplex is available.

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David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net (hm)
======================================================================
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Ismail YENIGUL wrote:
> i am using an webmail wriiten at php

Which webmail package?  What version of PHP?  What version of 
c-client has it been compiled against?  What operating system are
you running (openbsd/freebsd?).

We need a few more details before trying to solve this one,
as separate versions of PHP have various c-client bugs that
can cause this.

> 
>  and in  /var/log/messages file
> Nov 30 14:26:52 helsinki httpd[13172]: IMAP toolkit crash: Bad msgno 4
> in mail_elt, nmsgs = 3
> Nov 30 15:52:17 helsinki httpd[6741]: IMAP toolkit crash: Bad msgno 5 in
> mail_elt, nmsgs = 4
> Nov 30 15:52:58 helsinki [2349]: IMAP toolkit crash: Bad msgno 5 in
> mail_elt, nmsgs = 4
> 

Check that your mailbox isn't corrupted, that your IMAP server is
working ok through other IMAP clients, and that you have a really
up-to-date version of all the packages concerned.

--
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Mike Meyer wrote:
> 
> Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > >
> > > I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:
> > vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
> > mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > mount_cd9660: Invalid argument
> 
> It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:
> 
> su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
> su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> cd9660: Invalid argument

I had thought about that but the image burns to cd just fine. FWIW I used
Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro to create the images. Is there anyway to verify
the integrity of an image? Any know issues with CD Creator?



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> I am sure that you get a lot of these types of questions so here goes. I
am
>  completely new to Unix. I downloaded your software and had no trouble 
> installing it. My question is, now that I have this stuff installed what
do I 
> do with it? In other words I realize that the free bsd will act as a
firewall 
> but other than that I don't know what to do with it. I have been looking
at 
> your manual a little bit but am not very confident in myself in regards to
this 
> type of stuff. I know this is very broad but do you get where I'am going? 
> Please respond to mailto:bryhartline@hotmail.com 

> PS..

> This was extremely easy to install, it basically took care of itself and
one 
> other question. I went to two different sites to check my security after I

> installed this. The first site said my security wasd poor. It was able to
open 
> up my C drive, it was at http://www.robrob8.com/online_security.htm. 

this site is a crap.  take a look at the page
http://www.robrob8.com/online_security2.htm :

<META http-equiv="refresh" content="1; url=file:///C:/">
<title>YOUR SECURITY SYSTEM HAS FAILED! ACCESS HAS BEEN GRANTED</title>

This has NOTHING to do with security: it just open the local C: disk ..
which can
be opened by any browser, WITHOUT any securiy issues.  Just open a browser,
and 
type this in the adress box:  "file:///C:/" (or "file:///home/" or something
like that).


> The second 
> one gave me a great report and stated that my security was very good and
it was 
> at http://grc.com/. 

That one looks good.  You can base on it, for general security-testing
(still
more work can be done).

> Any suggestions? I am eager to learn a little more about 
> the Unix environment!

First, make your point: what exactly do you expect from a copmuter?

Network server (web, mail, firewall, file, printing, etc) ?! Then FreeBSD is
the
answer for you !

Multimedia computer ?!  more work can be done in this direction;  FreeBSD
can
play your cds/mp3s/etc, but won't handle DVDs (copyrighted-format issues)
(please
correct me if otherwise)  Also, support for some tv cards exist.

Graphic work ?!  yes, you can use gimp and another few programs;

Gameing ?!  hmm .. there are some linux games (see loki.com) which will run
whitout major problems on FreeBSD, but if you want only this from a
computer,
I'll suggest to stay with windoze.

Text editing/processing ?!  there is (la)tex - or if you wanna wysiwyg
editor,
try staroffice or corel word.

C/C++/Perl/other programming ?!  yes, FreeBSD is for you !

Wanna learn how a computer works ? want to learn something strong ? want to
learn what UNIX means ? then try FreeBSD !

> Thank you very much!

Youre welcome.

Stefan


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isn't that going a little too far, though, to deny mail to places whose
forward and reverse MX records are mismatched?


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 9:44 AM
To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe
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Subject: Re: Sendmail rulesets.


You are right. It is the MX IP that must resolve both ways. Shame there
are some providers who don't worry about reverse lookup.

HTH
-Christoph Sold

Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:

> That does not seem right...
>
> Not every company even HAS an ip address for their domian, especially
when
> they are just using it for mail. after all, for mail, all you need is an
MX
> record....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christoph Sold [mailto:so@server.i-clue.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:03 PM
> To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe
> Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: Sendmail rulesets.
>
>
> Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks...
>>
>> i'm running 4.2-STABLE with an updated sendmail.cf file, and i'm getting
>> some strange things going on...
>>
>> here's a message i get a lot:
>>
>> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916:
ruleset=check_mail,
>> arg1=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net
>> [209.226.175.139], reject=451 4.1.8 <paulf@canadianalliance.ca>...
Domain
>> of sender address paulf@canadianalliance.ca does not resolve
>> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916:
>> from=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, size=10963, class=0, nrcpts=0,
>> proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]
>>
>> What exactly can it not resolve? I resolve canadianalliance.ca just fine
>
> on
>
>> that machine...
>
>
> Both forward and reverse name mapping must resolve. That is,  if a.b.com
> resolves to 1.2.3.4, 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa must resolve to a.b.com.
>
> Just check this is the case using either dig or nslookup for the host(s)
> in question.
>
> HTH
> -Christoph Sold
>
>
>
>
>






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I have a bit of an odd case that I can't find documentation for, so I ask
those who know better....

I'm writing an application that supports using dlopen() to make it extensible.
However, since the shared objects it loads aren't really 'shared libraries'
that one would typically put under /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib (etc), I was
hoping to keep them in a sub-directory where the rest of the files needed for
the application would live.

Now, the 'easy' way out would be to either a.) specify a full pathname to the
loader to find the libraries, or b.) set LD_LIBRARY_PATH before entering the 
application. However, since the application itself is dynamically linked, I 
don't trust the user to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly before running the 
program (I'm afraid the standard paths won't get set), and I'd like to allow 
the user to not have to specify full paths to all the libraries in the 
configuration file. I've considered writing a wrapper script around the
application, but then it needs to be modified based on where the application
has been installed, and a lot of that information is already available in
the config file.

Therefore, is there a way to change the linker behavior once the application
has started?... Namely, the equivelent of setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH _after_ the
application has loaded all of the initial libraries and started running, but
before I get around to calling my loader?

	-Brian


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 if you can't find other viable options, you can always install mod_php and
use the asp<->php converter utility


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Hi!

Does someone know if its possible to run ASP on a FreeBSD based Apache
webserver?
Ive looked at ChiliSoft's ASP, but it doesnt seem to support the BSD
platform.

It does however support linux. Does anyone know if the FreeBSD linux
compatibility layer can handle this?

Sinc /
Rocky
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 there should be a softlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail ->
/var/qmail/bin/sendmail 

(this is assuming you are installing from ports, which is usually the best
way to do it).

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> as a note... don't delete all the sendmail files as qmail uses some of
the
> sendmail libraries for sending.

Hi,

qmail has no dependance on any sendmail files. qmail runs without any
problems on machines that have never had sendmail installed.
However, applications use /usr/sbin/sendmail to locally inject mail.
That should be a softlink to qmail's sendmail impersonator. Or you can
use mailwrapper instead.

Regards

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FreeBSD Gods,

I call on you once again to help a frustrated newbie.  8^)

I am using FreeBSD 3.4 and wanted to jazz it up
a bit and configure it to load a splash screen
that I found over at http://www.baldwin.cx/splash/#intro

I followed the instructions there, they seemed pretty
straight forward.

I've verified that:

include /boot/loader.4th
start

was in my loader.rc file and that:

splash_bmp_load="YES"
bitmap_load="YES"

was in my /boot/loader.conf file.

The way I understood it, since I'm using
FreeBSD 3.4, I didn't think any extra
lines for the loader.rc were needed.

I copied the image (daemon_640.gif as /boot/splash.bmp)

Now, when I reboot, no splash screen appears.

Also, I had previously logged in as root and
attempted to add "load -t splash_image_data
/boot/splash.bmp" and "load splash_bmp" to
my loader.rc file but Vi wouldn't let me
save any changes.

Can anyone help me get this straightened out?

Thanks

Joe










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I am looking for a way to make the boot messages (mostly kernel messages)
from appearing on the console. I would like to log all of these messages,
but I have several co-located machines and do not want prying eyes to see
what is going on.


Also does anyone know how I can cut down the number of local (console)
terminals available?


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Salutations.

There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
they may.  (There's no money on it.)

/lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
/bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
peeco or pyco?

I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.

Cheers!  -d

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My thoughts:

lib
first part of library (since thats where all the libraries
and such are :)) (which would be "vibe")

bin
pronounced just like it looks....the thing you store things in...
a bin :)....but I could see the arg for it being pronounced the "whine"
way with it being the first part of "binary" (see arg for lib.)

this could probably be argued just as much as the pronunciation
of linux :)  (leeenucks or li sounding line "linus") :).

(fyi...heres a linux to linus' pronuciation of it :P)
http://www.linux.org/info/sounds/english.au
http://www.linux.org/info/sounds/swedish.au

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> 
> 
> Salutations.
> 
> There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
> in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
> they may.  (There's no money on it.)
> 
> /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
> /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> peeco or pyco?
> 
> I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
> back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
> authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.
> 
> Cheers!  -d
> 
> - -- 
> David Talkington
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check syslog.conf  find line /dev/console

I have mine as /var/log/console.log :)

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> I am looking for a way to make the boot messages (mostly kernel messages)
> from appearing on the console. I would like to log all of these messages,
> but I have several co-located machines and do not want prying eyes to see
> what is going on.
> 
> 
> Also does anyone know how I can cut down the number of local (console)
> terminals available?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Erin
> 
> 
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tomond@kidman.com.au (Terry Omond) writes:

>    I want to build a machine to run FreeBSD.  Appendix F of the FreeBSD =
> handbook appears to be a few years out of date.  Is there any current =
> information available on hassle free hardware for FreeBSD?

There's something weird about that handbook section.  Quite a bit of
the material is clearly newer than the timestamps claim it is.

Nonetheless, you're looking at the wrong section.  The "supported
hardware" list in the main part of the handbook (it's section 2.3,
last I checked, but don't quote me on that) is more useful for this
purpose than the "hardware compatibility" appendix.


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I was just searching the ports tree for a secure ntp arrangement. None
seems to be there. Can anyone recommend sntp software that compiles and
runs well on FBSD?
Thx
John


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> I'm running FreeBSD 4.0 and I've noticed that the hard drives on my
> server never seem to 'rest' (sleep or standby). This inevitably
> wears down the drives, I believe, and wonder if FreeBSD doesn't
> have some way to reduce this wear and tear?

	APM should to that... but it's been my experience with power
management that the drive(s) motherboard, etc, don't always come back up,
causing worse problems. In these days of 1 million hours Mean Time Before
Failure drives as standard... I wouldn't worry about this too terribly
much.

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Erin wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a way to make the boot messages (mostly kernel messages)
> from appearing on the console. I would like to log all of these messages,
> but I have several co-located machines and do not want prying eyes to see
> what is going on.

Using a splash screen should take care of this. I've never tried it, YMMV.
 
> Also does anyone know how I can cut down the number of local (console)
> terminals available?

Turn some of them off in /etc/ttys. You might also want to recompile the
kernel so that there's less of them allocated; take a look in LINT for the
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 well, if you want to do a linguistical analysis on it:

/lib is where you find "libs" (the i is short, ryhmes with "fibs"). However
"libs" is derived from "lIbraries", which rhymes with "vIbe".
since "/lib" is a descendant of "libs" which is an altered descendent of
"lIbraries" you should be able to pronounce "libs" with the short i.
i mean, you would prononounce "GTK-libs" as ryhming with "fibs" so why
wouldn't you do the same with "slash-lib".

/bin is the place where you find "bInaries". but then you can say it's the
"bin where you find programs". refer to eric s. raymond's hackers jargon
dictionary. So linguistically it would make sense for you to pronounce
"/bIn" with the long vowel. But, americans are `lazy' and it takes less
energy to say the short vowel.

i mean, "missiles" can be pronounced "missels" or "missILes", the former
being the american prounouciation and the latter, the british method.

more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
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Salutations.

There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
they may.  (There's no money on it.)

/lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
/bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
peeco or pyco?

I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.

Cheers!  -d

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* David Talkington <dtalk@prairienet.org> [001130 09:47] wrote:
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> Salutations.
> 
> There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
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> 
> /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
> /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> peeco or pyco?

fib, sin and why the hell are you using pico? :) (peeco actually)

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David Kelly wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:33:24AM -0500, bob@sfcei.com wrote:
> > Just my .02 here. IIRC, Windows seems to max out around 1472 for the MTU,
> > otherwise there are lots of collisions on the net. I set the MTU on my FBSD
> > box to 1472 and no collisions. This may affect your throughput, if only
> > marginally.
> 
> Ethernet collisions are not bad. Don't sweat 'em until/if they reach
> 150% to 200%. A 1500 octet packat takes a while to send. But a"collision"
> happens in the first 64, takes very little wire time. Many NICs do not
> report these collisions at all. Don't believe I've seen them on 3com
> NICs I have used. Rather those NICs report *late* collisions which are
> bad, very bad, indicating a protocol implementation error, hardware
> failure, or a network which is too long. Yup, the network can get so
> big the speed of light is no longer fast enough to meet the ethernet
> timing specs.
> 
> An analysis I no longer can find the URL for showed a 200% collision
> rate on 10 Mbps ethernet resulted in an 8% reduction in network
> capacity. So don't sweat the collisions.
> 
> In this thread the user has two machines connected point-to-point with
> a crossed cable. No way for collisions to occur. There might be some
> advantage to turning on full duplex, which I've never seen auto-negotiated
> when connected that way, only when connected to a switch which does
> something to suggest to the machine that full duplex is available.

I haven't measured what the affect is but Window's has a registry key
called TCPWindowSize on W2K that you can set to 16k and improve
throughput on files being sent to the Windows machine. I was told that
their receive windows size is setup to ack/nack records over dialup
and is really to small for real networks. I know where the key is on
W2K but not off of my head for the 9x variety.

Kent

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 peeco because "pico" is the SI prefix for 10^-12 and is pronouncied in good
greek,latin,and french as "peeco"

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> Salutations.
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> they may.  (There's no money on it.)
> 
> /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
> /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> peeco or pyco?

fib, sin and why the hell are you using pico? :) (peeco actually)

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Hello,

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Hey, i was recently trying to make copies of the 2 freebsd boot disks, 
and everytime i try to FDIMAGE the .flp files, I get a "read error" to 
the floppy. I've tried multiple floppy disks, tried formatting in dos 
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Im no authority BUT

> 
> There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
> in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
> they may.  (There's no money on it.)
> 
> /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 

fib

> /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> peeco or pyco?
> 
sin and peeco - The reason that if I were to say it any other way I would
get funny looks, which doesnt feel very manly :)


> I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
> back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
> authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.
> 
> Cheers!  -d
> 
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Sent this in once, but didn't seem to show up.

I'm running 4.0-RELEASE with Xfree86-3.3.6. I'm using
a Diamond Stealth III S540 (S3 Savage4) card (listed
in the database) with a Viewsonic 17' monitor (vert
30-70, horiz 50-120). When I 'startx' it seems to
default to 320x400. I can't change it with
'ctrl-alt-+/-' and can't see the window to run
xvidtune. I've attached the output of 'startx' below,
then the config file. Suggestions would be
appreciated.
--Tim
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Output from startx
-----------------------




XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System

(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)

Release Date: January 8 1999

	If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your
card is newer

	than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting

	problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)

Operating System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 [ELF] 

Configured drivers:

  SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel
0):

      NV1, STG2000, RIVA 128, RIVA TNT, RIVA TNT2,
RIVA ULTRA TNT2,

      RIVA VANTA, RIVA ULTRA VANTA, RIVA INTEGRATED,
GeForce 256,

      GeForce DDR, Quadro, ET4000, ET4000W32,
ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b,

      ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a,
ET4000W32p_rev_b,

      ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000,
ET6100, et3000, pvga1,

      wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31,
wd90c33, gvga, r128, ati,

      sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, sis86c215,
sis86c225, sis5597,

      sis5598, sis6326, sis530, sis620, sis300,
sis630, sis540, tvga8200lx,

      tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl,
tvga8900d, tvga9000,

      tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9400cxi,
tgui9420, tgui9420dgi,

      tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, cyber9320, tgui9660,
tgui9680, tgui9682,

      tgui9685, cyber9382, cyber9385, cyber9388,
cyber9397, cyber9520,

      cyber9525, 3dimage975, 3dimage985, cyber9397dvd,
blade3d, cyberblade,

      clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426,
clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430,

      clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480,
clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465,

      clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235,
clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543,

      clgd7548, clgd7555, clgd7556, ncr77c22,
ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w,

      mga1064sg, mga2164w, mga2164w AGP, mgag200,
mgag100, mgag400, oti067,

      oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228,
ali2301, ali2302, ali2308,

      ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7,
ark1000vl, ark1000pv,

      ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, s3_virge,
AP6422, AT24, AT3D,

      s3_svga, NM2070, NM2090, NM2093, NM2097, NM2160,
NM2200, ct65520,

      ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545,
ct65546, ct65548,

      ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct69000,
ct64200, ct64300,

      mediagx, V1000, V2100, V2200, p9100, spc8110,
i740, i740_pci,

      Voodoo Banshee, Voodoo3, smi, generic

Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)

(using VT number 9)



XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config

(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for
probed/default values

(**) XKB: keymap: "xfree86(us)" (overrides other XKB
settings)

(**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/sysmouse,
buttons: 3

(**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "Card1"

(**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "Monitor1"

(--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 70.24
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 70.88
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 74.59
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 75.00
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 76.01
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 78.86
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1024x768" needs hsync freq of 80.21
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 81.13
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 87.50
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1152x864" needs hsync freq of 89.62
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 91.15
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 93.75
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1600x1200" needs hsync freq of 105.77
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1280x1024" needs hsync freq of 107.16
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 96.15
kHz. Deleted.

(--) SVGA: Mode "1800X1440" needs hsync freq of 104.52
kHz. Deleted.

(**) FontPath set to
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"

(--) SVGA: PCI: S3 Savage4 rev 3, Memory @ 0xe5000000,
0xd8000000

(--) SVGA: Unknown S3 chipset: chip_id = 0x8a22 rev. 3

(--) SVGA: chipset:  generic

(--) SVGA: videoram: 64k

(--) SVGA: clocks:  25.18

(**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666

(--) SVGA: Using builtin driver modes

(--) SVGA: Builtin Mode: 320x200

(--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 320x204

(--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because
virtualX != 1024

System: `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w 1
-R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m us -em1 "The
XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:" -emp ">
" -eml "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X
server" keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm'




waiting for X server to shut down X connection to :0.0
broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).


xterm:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient
on X server ":0.0"


xterm:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient
on X server ":0.0"

------------------------------
XF86Config
------------------------------
# File generated by xf86config.

#
# Copyright (c) 1995 by The XFree86 Project, Inc.
#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any
person obtaining a
# copy of this software and associated documentation
files (the "Software"),
# to deal in the Software without restriction,
including without limitation
# the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
distribute, sublicense,
# and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit
persons to whom the
# Software is furnished to do so, subject to the
following conditions:
# 
# The above copyright notice and this permission
notice shall be included in
# all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
# 
# THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY
OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
# IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES
OF MERCHANTABILITY,
# FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND
NONINFRINGEMENT.  IN NO EVENT SHALL
# THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES
OR OTHER LIABILITY,
# WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE,
ARISING FROM, OUT OF
# OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR
OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
# SOFTWARE.
# 
# Except as contained in this notice, the name of the
XFree86 Project shall
# not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote
the sale, use or other
# dealings in this Software without prior written
authorization from the
# XFree86 Project.
#

#
**********************************************************************
# Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details
about the format of 
# this file.
#
**********************************************************************

#
**********************************************************************
# Files section.  This allows default font and rgb
paths to be set
#
**********************************************************************

Section "Files"

# The location of the RGB database.  Note, this is the
name of the
# file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). 
There is normally
# no need to change the default.

    RgbPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"

# Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are
concatenated together),
# as well as specifying multiple comma-separated
entries in one FontPath
# command (or a combination of both methods)
# 
# If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and
emacs, Mosaic or other
# programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1
and Speedo directory
# to the end of this list (or comment them out).
# 

#    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
    FontPath  
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
    FontPath  
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
#    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
#    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
    FontPath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"

# For OSs that support Dynamically loaded modules,
ModulePath can be
# used to set a search path for the modules.  This is
currently supported
# for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x and NetBSD 1.x.  The
default path is shown
# here.

#    ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"

EndSection

#
**********************************************************************
# Module section -- this is an optional section which
is used to specify
# which dynamically loadable modules to load. 
Dynamically loadable
# modules are currently supported only for Linux ELF,
FreeBSD 2.x
# and NetBSD 1.x.  Currently, dynamically loadable
modules are used
# only for some extended input (XInput) device
drivers.
#
**********************************************************************
#
# Section "Module"
#
# This loads the module for the Joystick driver
#
# Load "xf86Jstk.so"
# 
# EndSection

#
**********************************************************************
# Server flags section.
#
**********************************************************************

Section "ServerFlags"

# Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot
where a signal is 
# received.  This may leave the console in an unusable
state, but may
# provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid
in debugging

#    NoTrapSignals

# Uncomment this to disable the <Crtl><Alt><BS> server
abort sequence
# This allows clients to receive this key event.

#    DontZap

# Uncomment this to disable the
<Crtl><Alt><KP_+>/<KP_-> mode switching
# sequences.  This allows clients to receive these key
events.

#    DontZoom

# Uncomment this to disable tuning with the xvidtune
client. With
# it the client can still run and fetch card and
monitor attributes,
# but it will not be allowed to change them. If it
tries it will
# receive a protocol error.

#       DisableVidModeExtension

# Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local
xvidtune client. 

#       AllowNonLocalXvidtune

# Uncomment this to disable dynamically modifying the
input device
# (mouse and keyboard) settings. 

#       DisableModInDev

# Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local
client to
# change the keyboard or mouse settings (currently
only xset).

#       AllowNonLocalModInDev

EndSection

#
**********************************************************************
# Input devices
#
**********************************************************************

#
**********************************************************************
# Keyboard section
#
**********************************************************************

Section "Keyboard"

    Protocol	"Standard"

# when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and
uncomment the
# following line

#    Protocol	"Xqueue"

    AutoRepeat	500 30
# Let the server do the NumLock processing.  This
should only be required
# when using pre-R6 clients
#    ServerNumLock

# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled
(eg, with xset(1))
#    Xleds      1 2 3

# To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to
ModeShift, 
# RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to
ModeLock:

#    LeftAlt     Meta
#    RightAlt    ModeShift
#    RightCtl    Compose
#    ScrollLock  ModeLock

# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment
XkbDisable.

#    XkbDisable

# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard,
modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example,
for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#    XkbModel    "pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can
use:
#    XkbModel    "microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout
setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#    XkbLayout   "de"
# or:
#    XkbLayout   "de"
#    XkbVariant  "nodeadkeys"
#
# If you'd like to switch the positions of your
capslock and
# control keys, use:
#    XkbOptions  "ctrl:swapcaps"

# These are the default XKB settings for XFree86
#    XkbRules    "xfree86"
#    XkbModel    "pc101"
#    XkbLayout   "us"
#    XkbVariant  ""
#    XkbOptions  ""

    XkbKeymap   "xfree86(us)"


EndSection


#
**********************************************************************
# Pointer section
#
**********************************************************************

Section "Pointer"
    Protocol    "PS/2"
    Device      "/dev/sysmouse"

# When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines,
and uncomment
# the following line.

#    Protocol	"Xqueue"

# Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech
mice
# or for the AceCad tablets which require 9600 baud

#    BaudRate	9600
#    SampleRate	150

# Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft
mice
# Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds
(default is 50ms)

#    Emulate3Buttons
#    Emulate3Timeout    50

# ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech
mice

#    ChordMiddle

EndSection


#
**********************************************************************
# Xinput section -- this is optional and is required
only if you
# are using extended input devices.  This is for
example only.  Refer
# to the XF86Config man page for a description of the
options.
#
**********************************************************************
#
# Section "Xinput" 
#    SubSection "WacomStylus"
#        Port "/dev/ttyS1"
#        DeviceName "Wacom"
#    EndSubSection
#    SubSection "WacomCursor"
#        Port "/dev/ttyS1"
#    EndSubSection
#    SubSection "WacomEraser"
#        Port "/dev/ttyS1"
#    EndSubSection
#
#    SubSection "Elographics"
#        Port "/dev/ttyS1"
#        DeviceName "Elo"
#        MinimumXPosition 300
#        MaximumXPosition 3500
#        MinimumYPosition 300
#        MaximumYPosition 3500
#        Screen 0
#        UntouchDelay 10
#        ReportDelay 10
#    EndSubSection
#
#    SubSection "Joystick"
#        Port "/dev/joy0"
#        DeviceName "Joystick"
#        TimeOut 10
#        MinimumXPosition 100
#        MaximumXPosition 1300
#        MinimumYPosition 100
#        MaximumYPosition 1100
#        # CenterX 700
#        # CenterY 600
#        Delta 20
#    EndSubSection
#
# The Mouse Subsection contains the same type of
entries as the
# standard Pointer Section (see above), with the
addition of the
# DeviceName entry.
#
#    SubSection "Mouse" 
#        Port "/dev/mouse2"
#        DeviceName "Second Mouse"
#        Protocol "Logitech"
#    EndSubSection
# EndSection

#
**********************************************************************
# Monitor section
#
**********************************************************************

# Any number of monitor sections may be present

Section "Monitor"

    Identifier  "Monitor1"
    VendorName  "ViewSonic"
    ModelName   "E771"

# HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified.
# HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete
values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO
YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.

    HorizSync   30-70

#    HorizSync	30-64         # multisync
#    HorizSync	31.5, 35.2    # multiple fixed sync
frequencies
#    HorizSync	15-25, 30-50  # multiple ranges of sync
frequencies

# VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified.
# VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of
discrete values, or a
# comma separated list of ranges of values.
# NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY.  REFER TO
YOUR MONITOR'S
# USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS.

    VertRefresh 50-120

# Modes can be specified in two formats.  A compact
one-line format, or
# a multi-line format.

# These two are equivalent

#    ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768
776 784 817 Interlace

#    Mode "1024x768i"
#        DotClock	45
#        HTimings	1024 1048 1208 1264
#        VTimings	768 776 784 817
#        Flags		"Interlace"
#    EndMode

# This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that
are out of monitor spec
# are automatically deleted by the server (provided
the HorizSync and
# VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no
immediate need to
# delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings
don't work on your
# monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode
that your monitor
# and video card can support for a given resolution is
automatically
# used.

# 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x400"     25.175 640  664  760  800   400
 409  411  450
# 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480"     25.175 640  664  760  800   480
 491  493  525
# 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 35.15 kHz hsync
ModeLine "800x600"     36     800  824  896 1024   600
 601  603  625
# 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768"    44.9  1024 1048 1208 1264   768
 776  784  817 Interlace

# 640x400 @ 85 Hz, 37.86 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x400"     31.5   640  672 736   832   400
 401  404  445 -HSync +VSync
# 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480"     31.5   640  680  720  864   480
 488  491  521
# 640x480 @ 75 Hz, 37.50 kHz hsync
ModeLine  "640x480"    31.5   640  656  720  840   480
 481  484  500 -HSync -VSync
# 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "800x600"     40     800  840  968 1056   600
 601  605  628 +hsync +vsync

# 640x480 @ 85 Hz, 43.27 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480"     36     640  696  752  832   480
 481  484  509 -HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 89 Hz interlaced, 44 kHz hsync
ModeLine "1152x864"    65    1152 1168 1384 1480   864
 865  875  985 Interlace

# 800x600 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "800x600"     50     800  856  976 1040   600
 637  643  666 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768"    65    1024 1032 1176 1344   768
 771  777  806 -hsync -vsync

# 640x480 @ 100 Hz, 53.01 kHz hsync
Modeline "640x480"     45.8   640  672  768  864   480
 488  494  530 -HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 60 Hz, 53.5 kHz hsync
Modeline  "1152x864"   89.9  1152 1216 1472 1680   864
 868  876  892 -HSync -VSync
# 800x600 @ 85 Hz, 55.84 kHz hsync
Modeline  "800x600"    60.75  800  864  928 1088   600
 616  621  657 -HSync -VSync

# 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768"    75    1024 1048 1184 1328   768
 771  777  806 -hsync -vsync
# 1280x1024 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 51 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"   80    1280 1296 1512 1568  1024
1025 1037 1165 Interlace

# 800x600 @ 100 Hz, 64.02 kHz hsync
Modeline  "800x600"    69.65  800  864  928 1088   600
 604  610  640 -HSync -VSync
# 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768"    85    1024 1032 1152 1360   768
 784  787  823
# 1152x864 @ 70 Hz, 62.4 kHz hsync
Modeline  "1152x864"   92    1152 1208 1368 1474   864
 865  875  895
# 1280x1024 @ 61 Hz, 64.2 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"  110    1280 1328 1512 1712  1024
1025 1028 1054

# 1024x768 @ 85 Hz, 70.24 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768"   98.9  1024 1056 1216 1408   768
782 788 822 -HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 78 Hz, 70.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864"   110   1152 1240 1324 1552   864 
864  876  908

# 1280x1024 @ 70 Hz, 74.59 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"  126.5 1280 1312 1472 1696  1024
1032 1040 1068 -HSync -VSync
# 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 75.00 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200"  162   1600 1664 1856 2160  1200
1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync
# 1152x864 @ 84 Hz, 76.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864"   135    1152 1464 1592 1776   864
 864  876  908

# 1280x1024 @ 74 Hz, 78.85 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"  135    1280 1312 1456 1712  1024
1027 1030 1064

# 1024x768 @ 100Hz, 80.21 kHz hsync
Modeline "1024x768"   115.5  1024 1056 1248 1440  768 
771  781  802 -HSync -VSync
# 1280x1024 @ 76 Hz, 81.13 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"  135    1280 1312 1416 1664  1024
1027 1030 1064

# 1600x1200 @ 70 Hz, 87.50 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200"  189    1600 1664 1856 2160  1200
1201 1204 1250 -HSync -VSync
# 1152x864 @ 100 Hz, 89.62 kHz hsync
Modeline "1152x864"   137.65 1152 1184 1312 1536   864
 866  885  902 -HSync -VSync
# 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz, 91.15 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"  157.5  1280 1344 1504 1728  1024
1025 1028 1072 +HSync +VSync
# 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz, 93.75 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200"  202.5  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200
1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync
# 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, 105.77 kHz hsync
Modeline "1600x1200"  220    1600 1616 1808 2080  1200
1204 1207 1244 +HSync +VSync
# 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz, 107.16 kHz hsync
Modeline "1280x1024"  181.75 1280 1312 1440 1696  1024
1031 1046 1072 -HSync -VSync

# 1800x1440 @ 64Hz, 96.15 kHz hsync 
ModeLine "1800X1440"  230    1800 1896 2088 2392 1440
1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync
# 1800x1440 @ 70Hz, 104.52 kHz hsync 
ModeLine "1800X1440"  250    1800 1896 2088 2392 1440
1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync

# 512x384 @ 78 Hz, 31.50 kHz hsync
Modeline "512x384"    20.160 512  528  592  640   384 
385  388  404 -HSync -VSync
# 512x384 @ 85 Hz, 34.38 kHz hsync
Modeline "512x384"    22     512  528  592  640   384 
385  388  404 -HSync -VSync

# Low-res Doublescan modes
# If your chipset does not support doublescan, you get
a 'squashed'
# resolution like 320x400.

# 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio
Modeline "320x200"     12.588 320  336  384  400   200
 204  205  225 Doublescan
# 320x240 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio
Modeline "320x240"     12.588 320  336  384  400   240
 245  246  262 Doublescan
# 320x240 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync
Modeline "320x240"     15.750 320  336  384  400   240
 244  246  262 Doublescan
# 400x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio
ModeLine "400x300"     18     400  416  448  512   300
 301  302  312 Doublescan
# 400x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "400x300"     20     400  416  480  528   300
 301  303  314 Doublescan
# 400x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "400x300"     25     400  424  488  520   300
 319  322  333 Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio
ModeLine "480x300"     21.656 480  496  536  616   300
 301  302  312 Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync
Modeline "480x300"     23.890 480  496  576  632   300
 301  303  314 Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 63 Hz, 39.6 kHz hsync
Modeline "480x300"     25     480  496  576  632   300
 301  303  314 Doublescan
# 480x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync
Modeline "480x300"     29.952 480  504  584  624   300
 319  322  333 Doublescan

EndSection


#
**********************************************************************
# Graphics device section
#
**********************************************************************

# Any number of graphics device sections may be
present

# Standard VGA Device:

Section "Device"
    Identifier	"Generic VGA"
    VendorName	"Unknown"
    BoardName	"Unknown"
    Chipset	"generic"

#    VideoRam	256

#    Clocks	25.2 28.3

EndSection

# Sample Device for accelerated server:

# Section "Device"
#    Identifier	"Actix GE32+ 2MB"
#    VendorName	"Actix"
#    BoardName	"GE32+"
#    Ramdac	"ATT20C490"
#    Dacspeed	110
#    Option	"dac_8_bit"
#    Clocks	 25.0  28.0  40.0   0.0  50.0  77.0  36.0 
45.0
#    Clocks	130.0 120.0  80.0  31.0 110.0  65.0  75.0 
94.0
# EndSection

# Sample Device for Hercules mono card:

# Section "Device"
#    Identifier "Hercules mono"
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# Device configured by xf86config:

Section "Device"
    Identifier  "Card1"
    VendorName  "Diamond"
    BoardName   "S540"
    #VideoRam    4096
     # Option "no_accel"	# You may enable this if
there are timeouts when starting X
     #Option "xaa_benchmark"
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**********************************************************************
# Screen sections
#
**********************************************************************

# The Colour SVGA server

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320x200x256
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    Device      "Card1"
    Monitor     "Monitor1"
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device
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"1280x1024"
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"1280x1024"
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    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
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        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
EndSection

# The 16-color VGA server

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    Monitor     "Monitor1"
    Subsection "Display"
        Modes       "640x480" "800x600"
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# The Mono server

Section "Screen"
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    Monitor     "Monitor1"
    Subsection "Display"
        Modes       "640x480" "800x600"
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# The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514,
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Ok, let me settle this once and for all.

The tule is hort vowels.

vib, sin, peeco

but vi is pronounced six.

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Yes, us lazy Americans hate that 'ou' thing the Brits try to always
interject, like 'colour' and 'valour.'  Also, why can't the Brits us an
occasional 'z' in their words; initialize, serialize, and other words like
them just look cool w/ the 'z' in them, not that 's' substitution the Brits
use.

Here's another good one, though: /etc

Some people pronounce it like its root word, etcetera, which is
grammatically correct, since etcetera is abbreviated like "etc."  Others say
it like "et-sEE."  What's the better one?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Lai [mailto:PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:31
> To: 'David Talkington '; 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org '
> Subject: RE: Pronunciations
> 
> 
>  well, if you want to do a linguistical analysis on it:
> 
> /lib is where you find "libs" (the i is short, ryhmes with 
> "fibs"). However
> "libs" is derived from "lIbraries", which rhymes with "vIbe".
> since "/lib" is a descendant of "libs" which is an altered 
> descendent of
> "lIbraries" you should be able to pronounce "libs" with the short i.
> i mean, you would prononounce "GTK-libs" as ryhming with "fibs" so why
> wouldn't you do the same with "slash-lib".
> 
> /bin is the place where you find "bInaries". but then you can 
> say it's the
> "bin where you find programs". refer to eric s. raymond's 
> hackers jargon
> dictionary. So linguistically it would make sense for you to pronounce
> "/bIn" with the long vowel. But, americans are `lazy' and it 
> takes less
> energy to say the short vowel.
> 
> i mean, "missiles" can be pronounced "missels" or "missILes", 
> the former
> being the american prounouciation and the latter, the british method.
> 
> more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
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> 
> /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
> /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> peeco or pyco?
> 
> I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Passki, Jonathan P wrote:

> Here's another good one, though: /etc
> 
> Some people pronounce it like its root word, etcetera, which is
> grammatically correct, since etcetera is abbreviated like "etc."  Others say
> it like "et-sEE."  What's the better one?
>

I'm glad you asked, this is infact one of the most complicated, since the
correct answer is of couse that one should randomize there use of thetwo
options using rand(3). 

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we just say e-t-c

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Passki, Jonathan P wrote:

> Yes, us lazy Americans hate that 'ou' thing the Brits try to always
> interject, like 'colour' and 'valour.'  Also, why can't the Brits us an
> occasional 'z' in their words; initialize, serialize, and other words like
> them just look cool w/ the 'z' in them, not that 's' substitution the Brits
> use.
> 
> Here's another good one, though: /etc
> 
> Some people pronounce it like its root word, etcetera, which is
> grammatically correct, since etcetera is abbreviated like "etc."  Others say
> it like "et-sEE."  What's the better one?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Lai [mailto:PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:31
> > To: 'David Talkington '; 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org '
> > Subject: RE: Pronunciations
> > 
> > 
> >  well, if you want to do a linguistical analysis on it:
> > 
> > /lib is where you find "libs" (the i is short, ryhmes with 
> > "fibs"). However
> > "libs" is derived from "lIbraries", which rhymes with "vIbe".
> > since "/lib" is a descendant of "libs" which is an altered 
> > descendent of
> > "lIbraries" you should be able to pronounce "libs" with the short i.
> > i mean, you would prononounce "GTK-libs" as ryhming with "fibs" so why
> > wouldn't you do the same with "slash-lib".
> > 
> > /bin is the place where you find "bInaries". but then you can 
> > say it's the
> > "bin where you find programs". refer to eric s. raymond's 
> > hackers jargon
> > dictionary. So linguistically it would make sense for you to pronounce
> > "/bIn" with the long vowel. But, americans are `lazy' and it 
> > takes less
> > energy to say the short vowel.
> > 
> > i mean, "missiles" can be pronounced "missels" or "missILes", 
> > the former
> > being the american prounouciation and the latter, the british method.
> > 
> > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Sent: 11/30/2000 12:47 PM
> > Subject: Pronunciations
> > 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > 
> > Salutations.
> > 
> > There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
> > in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
> > they may.  (There's no money on it.)
> > 
> > /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
> > /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> > peeco or pyco?
> > 
> > I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
> > back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
> > authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.
> > 
> > Cheers!  -d
> > 
> > - -- 
> > David Talkington
> > Community Networking Initiative
> > dtalk@prairienet.org
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Jim Flowers writes:
> If we provide the funding for a few hours of effort, do you know anyone
> who could take a look at this sooner rather than later?  The field of
> view has been narrowed down pretty much and may be no more complicated
> than which of the multiple md5.h header files is being used.

Somebody on freebsd-net@freebsd.org may be interested in taking a look,
especially if there is a small reward.. I'd ask there.

-Archie

PS. isn't there also some web site where you can post projects?

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> Can a have information about compatibility driver for the modem
> (winmodem) Genius GM56PIC-L. at FreeBSD 4.1 Best Regards. Thanks. Ivo
> Zanoni ivozan@melim.com.br


	Since it's a Winmodem, it's not. Sorry... You'll have to get a
real one. :(

				Rick



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What about it?  Anyone with skills in this area interested in figuring 
out what changed between 4.1 and 4.1.1 probably in the crypto changes 
that prevents the MD5 authentication of a skip partner.  Worth a quick 
$150 prize for the first solution.

Jim Flowers <jflowers@ezo.net>
#4 ISP on C|NET, #1 in Ohio

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Archie Cobbs wrote:

> Jim Flowers writes:
> > If we provide the funding for a few hours of effort, do you know anyone
> > who could take a look at this sooner rather than later?  The field of
> > view has been narrowed down pretty much and may be no more complicated
> > than which of the multiple md5.h header files is being used.
> 
> Somebody on freebsd-net@freebsd.org may be interested in taking a look,
> especially if there is a small reward.. I'd ask there.
> 
> -Archie
> 
> PS. isn't there also some web site where you can post projects?
> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
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If you have installed the port, you will need to configure the .muttrc files that
resides in your home directory. There are some very good examples of how to set up
a .muttrc at the following URL: http://www.mutt.org

Cheers


On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:45:05AM -0800, Chimon Yeung wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> How do I configure "mutt" email so I can receive yahoo.com emails in
> UNIX?
> 
> --
> Thanks,
> 
> Chimon Yeung
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I have a ntp server on my NAT box that won't reply to queries from machines
running NAT. It works fine with all the non-NAT hosts, and the machine running
NAT all work fine with NTP servers other than my NAT box.

Running ntdp with -d gives me this:
receive: at 57 from 10.1.1.11 mode 1
match error code 4 assoc 4
auth_agekeys: at 60 keys 1 expired 0
receive: at 60 from 10.1.1.13 mode 1
match error code 4 assoc 4

Looking at the code, it looks like the error is originating in the findpeer
function in ntp_peer.c, but I havn't been able to figure out exactly what it
means. :(

The box is running -stable from mid-november.
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> From: Dave Bretthauer <bretthauer@scsu.ctstateu.edu>
> 
> At 03:11 PM 11/29/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote:
> >Dave Bretthauer wrote:
> >
> >> Fatal server error:
> >> xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)
> >
> >Are you using KDE? Have you tried this without using KDE? This could be 
> >a KDE problem and not an X problem.
> 
> I noticed that, too, and wondered why it was there.  No, I did not install
> KDE (in fact, the reason I used vanilla X for a client is because I got the
> same message after doing a full install with Gnome + Sawtooth).

Just to add another data point, I'm having the exact trouble you are.
I installed 4.2, configured X (it ran just fine at my selected resolutions
during the install), rebooted, and got the above KDENABIO error.  I too
did not install KDE, and I seriously doubt that has anything to do with
it since it's an error in the X server itself.

I wasn't able to find the error string in the XFree documentation, but
my best guess at its meaning is possibly "keyboard enable I/O" error?
Maybe it's a problem with the console driver in the kernel?  This is
just speculation of course.

I get the error in a number of situations: using the XF86_SVGA server,
the VGA16 server, and the Mach64 server for my card.  I also rebuilt
the kernel and got the same results.  Any ideas are much appreciated!

	Mike


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> more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?

Lets add fsck to the discussion, that usually generates some mail.

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Look at:
/usr/ports/www/p5-Apache-ASP/

That's probably what you want..

RSN

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Roger wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Does someone know if its possible to run ASP on a FreeBSD based Apache
> webserver?
> Ive looked at ChiliSoft's ASP, but it doesnt seem to support the BSD
> platform.
> 
> It does however support linux. Does anyone know if the FreeBSD linux
> compatibility layer can handle this?
> 
> Sinc /
> Rocky
> rocky@ljusdal.net
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> FreeBSD Gods,
> 
> I call on you once again to help a frustrated newbie.  8^)
> 
> I copied the image (daemon_640.gif as /boot/splash.bmp)

Did you just copy the image to the new filename or did you actually
convert it from GIF format to BMP format?

RSN



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> their receive windows size is setup to ack/nack records over dialup
> and is really to small for real networks. I know where the key is on
> W2K but not off of my head for the 9x variety.

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but I found this at
DSLreports.com in the Tools file.

	[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP]
"DefaultRcvWindow"="131070"
	"Tcp1323Opts"="3"

Definitely speeded up my downloads over my DSL line (About three
times).  The file name is rwin98-h.reg and you can find it on the
tweeks page. Or just use regedit and paste it in yourself.

Kelly





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Hi, 
	I just got my FreeBSD server running server end userPPP. The
lines come up great.

	Now, I want to get PCAnywhere working thru the lines and
Microsoft networking.

	Any tricks there. The FreeBSD machine is also using Samba
to act as the PDC, but I can't browse or mount my home directory. I
could when I had the modems hooked up to a Cisco 2511.

	Oh, the IP addresses given to the dialup machines are in
my subnet (which is 255.255.255.224) and proxy is set in the ppp.conf
so that arp's work. 
	
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This is just me of course, but my pronunciations are as follows:

/bin pronounced like sin
/usr pronounced like user
/src pronounced like source
/etc pronounced like the letters e-t-c
/sbin pronounced like the letter s plus bin
fsck pronounced like f-sack

Now here are some I'm not too sure about:
sh is just the letters s-h
but then is csh pronounced c-s-h or cash?
tcsh: I call it t-c-s-h.. is that right or is it t-cash?

RSN
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Joel Bjork wrote:

> > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
> 
> Lets add fsck to the discussion, that usually generates some mail.
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Hello,

Recently, I have installed FreeBSD Release 4.2 on a box at work, I have set
up samba and apache and all the other box's can connect through smb and
http, but I cannot get a connection to the outside world from the ports
collection.

I have read the ports info and feel that possibly i need to do something
with FETCH_CMD but do not know what.

The network connects through a NT4 Server running Wingate 4.0.

On my other box ( NT4 ), if I want to ftp out, I have to set the remote host
to being the firewall/wingate server followed by login@site:port.

I have not yet tried with regular ftp from the FBSD box, but presume it
would be simular.

Can anyone please inform me as to how I tell the ports collection to connect
through the wingate server.

Thanks

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Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > > Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:
> > > vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
> > > mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > mount_cd9660: Invalid argument
> > It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:
> > su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
> > su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > cd9660: Invalid argument
> I had thought about that but the image burns to cd just fine. FWIW I used
> Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro to create the images. Is there anyway to verify
> the integrity of an image? Any know issues with CD Creator?

When you say "the image burns to cd just fine", do you mean that the
cd mounts after you burn it from that image? If so, you're right -
something very strange is going on. If you just mean you can make CDs,
that doesn't tell you anything; burning an ISO image doesn't involve
interpreting the data in the CD.

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im getting a connection failed to ftp.freebsd.org.

can anyone else get to it?



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On Wed, 29 Nov 2000, Rhavenn StormWing wrote:

> Hello List-
> 
> prompt. On the 4.1.1 system I open up a file in pico or vi and select some
> lines to paste. I then do a SHIFT+INS  to paste and the term freezes like
> a rock (middle mouse for paste has the same effect). I have to start
> another ssh session and kill the initial ssh session. Killing the editor
> or shell isn't doing it.

I had this same problem, but with vi and the middle mouse key (and
sitting at the computer, no ssh required). It wasn't
fully deterministic, but it would freeze if I pasted ~30 or more lines.

It took awhile for someone to repeat it because they were not pasting
enough lines and the window size affected the bug as well. You can set up
a duplicate scenario with gvim and see that it does NOT have the same
problem. Even kedit works well.

I don't know the root cause of the problem, but I now avoid pasting into
vi.


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Hi Greg,

My name is Joe and I am sending this email to you because you answered
a similar question regarding remote kernel debugging.  I hope you 
might have a few minutes to answer this.

I am running Free BSD 3.3 and I am trying to debug a kernel located
on another processor.  I carefully followed the directions on how to:
- build the kernels (including the necessary flags to assign to the 
serial interfaces);
- strip the debug symbols from the target kernel (strip -x kernel);
- connect to the remote kernel through a serial port (cuaa0).  

On the target kernel, I performed a boot -d, entered gdb, and
then entered s to step into the next instruction.  After successfully
connecting
to the target kernel, I enter c on the remote system (I am using ddd 3.2.1)
and the target kernel completes its load.  So, to this point things are
going
well.  I set the debugger to track the serial communications through the
statement set remotedebug 1 as shown here:

GNU DDD 3.2.1 (i386-portbld-freebsd3.4), by Dorothea L|tkehaus and Andreas
Zeller.
Copyright ) 1995-1999 Technische Universitdt Braunschweig, Germany.
Copyright ) 1999-2000 Universitdt Passau, Germany.
Breakpoint 1 at 0xc01acb25: file ../../netinet/ip_input.c, line 265. (gdb)
delete 1
(gdb) target remote /dev/cuaa0
Remote debugging using /dev/cuaa0
Debugger (msg=0xc026f3bc "Boot flags requested debugger") at
../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:320
(gdb) set remotedebug 1
(gdb) c
Continuing.
Sending packet: $mc01a9129,1#c4...Ack
Packet received: 31
Sending packet: $Xc01a9129,0:#e8...Ack
Packet received: 
binary downloading NOT suppported by target
Sending packet: $Mc01a9129,1:cc#a4...Ack
Packet received: OK
Sending packet: $mc01a9191,1#c3...Ack
Packet received: 8b
binary downloading NOT suppported by target
Sending packet: $Mc01a9191,1:cc#a3...Ack
Packet received: OK
Sending packet: $mc01a93fd,1#25...Ack
Packet received: 31
binary downloading NOT suppported by target
Sending packet: $Mc01a93fd,1:cc#05...Ack
Packet received: OK
Sending packet: $mc01a92d1,1#ef...Ack
Packet received: 8b
binary downloading NOT suppported by target
Sending packet: $Mc01a92d1,1:cc#cf...Ack
Packet received: OK
Sending packet: $mc01a9561,1#c4...Ack
Packet received: 31
binary downloading NOT suppported by target
Sending packet: $Mc01a9561,1:cc#a4...Ack
Packet received: OK
Sending packet: $Hc0#db...Ack
Packet received: 
Sending packet: $c#63...Ack
Packet received: T0508:2a911ac0;05:ecbdd4d0;04:e4bdd4d0;

I can see that there is communication to and from the target kernel.

When I run a program on the remote system that forces the kernel to
execute a function that I am interested in, I start to see the following
messages over the serial line:

Sending packet: $g#67...Packet received:
T0508:2a911ac0;05:ecbdd4d0;04:e4bdd4d0;
Sending packet: $g#67...Sending packet: $g#67...Sending packet:
$g#67...Timed out.
Timed out.
Timed out.
Ignoring packet error, continuing...
Bad register packet; fetching a new packet
Timed out.

The target system never sends an Ack back to the system on which I am
running
ddd, and the target at this point hangs.  Any ideas why the kernel that I
am trying to debug just stops communicating through the serial interface?

I appreciate any help/ideas that you have, because I am wits end right now!
I have done the obvious checks:  new cable, new serial boards, making sure
that I can transfer a file through the serial interface (and did it
successfully),
and I also went back to the instructions in the Free BSD manuals.

I am stumped!

thanks in advance

Joe Dumont 


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Mike Meyer said in email to me:
> 
> Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > > > Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:
> > > > vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
> > > > mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > > mount_cd9660: Invalid argument
> > > It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:
> > > su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
> > > su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > cd9660: Invalid argument
> > I had thought about that but the image burns to cd just fine. FWIW I used
> > Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro to create the images. Is there anyway to verify
> > the integrity of an image? Any know issues with CD Creator?
> 
> When you say "the image burns to cd just fine", do you mean that the
> cd mounts after you burn it from that image? If so, you're right -
> something very strange is going on. If you just mean you can make CDs,
> that doesn't tell you anything; burning an ISO image doesn't involve
> interpreting the data in the CD.
> 
> 	<mike
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  I think that Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro put a header of some sort in
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Lyle Miller wrote:
> 
> im getting a connection failed to ftp.freebsd.org.
> 
> can anyone else get to it?

It times out for me too; however, ftp://ftp8.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/
is reachable. Try the mirrors.

Kent

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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:19:00AM -0800, Brian Beattie wrote:
> Ok, let me settle this once and for all.
> 
> The tule is hort vowels.
> 
> vib, sin, peeco
> 
> but vi is pronounced six.
> 

	I was at Berkeley 20+ years back when Unix was closer to
	its roots.  There was a close association with the few 
	people at Murry Hill who gave birth to Unix ... The following
	is what I've been using, despite much of the rest-of-the-world 
	changing.

	bin rhymes with tin
	lib rhymes with vibe
	Bill Joy (and everybody else) pronounced ed as EE DE
	and ex as EE ECKS; vi as vee-eye.

	src is pronounced as source; fsck as EFF ESS CEE KAY.
	and etc as etcetera, not ET-CEE.

	But as language evolves, pronounciations change, so this
	become little more that geek trivia!

	gary




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On Thursday 30 November 2000 19:40, Kent Stewart wrote:
> David Kelly wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:33:24AM -0500, bob@sfcei.com wrote:
> > > Just my .02 here. IIRC, Windows seems to max out around 1472 for the
> > > MTU, otherwise there are lots of collisions on the net. I set the MTU
> > > on my FBSD box to 1472 and no collisions. This may affect your
> > > throughput, if only marginally.
> >
> > Ethernet collisions are not bad. Don't sweat 'em until/if they reach
> > 150% to 200%. A 1500 octet packat takes a while to send. But a"collision"
> > happens in the first 64, takes very little wire time. Many NICs do not
> > report these collisions at all. Don't believe I've seen them on 3com
> > NICs I have used. Rather those NICs report *late* collisions which are
> > bad, very bad, indicating a protocol implementation error, hardware
> > failure, or a network which is too long. Yup, the network can get so
> > big the speed of light is no longer fast enough to meet the ethernet
> > timing specs.
> >
> > An analysis I no longer can find the URL for showed a 200% collision
> > rate on 10 Mbps ethernet resulted in an 8% reduction in network
> > capacity. So don't sweat the collisions.
> >
> > In this thread the user has two machines connected point-to-point with
> > a crossed cable. No way for collisions to occur. There might be some
> > advantage to turning on full duplex, which I've never seen
> > auto-negotiated when connected that way, only when connected to a switch
> > which does something to suggest to the machine that full duplex is
> > available.
>
> I haven't measured what the affect is but Window's has a registry key
> called TCPWindowSize on W2K that you can set to 16k and improve
> throughput on files being sent to the Windows machine. I was told that
> their receive windows size is setup to ack/nack records over dialup
> and is really to small for real networks. I know where the key is on
> W2K but not off of my head for the 9x variety.
>
> Kent

from the horses mouth comes the following

http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/wuadmintools/s_wunetworkingtools/w95sockets2/default.asp

the winsock2 patch includes:-

Support for TCP large windows (TCPLW) and time stamps
Support for selective acknowledgements
Support for fast retransmission and recovery
Support for DHCP release on shutdown
Support for DHCP decline
Support for per-adapter WINS servers 

Win95 is purportedly optimized towards dialup internet connectivity!!!! the 
following registry path  supposedly fixes this.
 
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP]
"DefaultRcvWindow"="64240"
"DefaultTTL"="64"
"PMTUDiscovery"=dword:00000001
"PMTUBlackHoleDetect"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0000]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0001]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0002]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0003]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0004]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0005]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0006]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0007]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0008]
"MaxMTU"="1500"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0009]
"MaxMTU"="1500"



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I think you can change their output in syslog.conf to go whever you want them to
go.

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Erin [SMTP:kahn@deadbbs.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:45 PM
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	Subject:	Boot messages.

	I am looking for a way to make the boot messages (mostly kernel
messages)
	from appearing on the console. I would like to log all of these
messages,
	but I have several co-located machines and do not want prying eyes to
see
	what is going on.


	Also does anyone know how I can cut down the number of local (console)
	terminals available?


	Thanks,


	Erin



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speedguide.net has multiple patches for windows 95/98/me and 2000.

speedguide's primary purpose is to increase download speeds on broadband but
the results can also be seen on any high speed network.

Jason
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> On Thursday 30 November 2000 19:40, Kent Stewart wrote:
> > David Kelly wrote:
> > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:33:24AM -0500, bob@sfcei.com wrote:
> > > > Just my .02 here. IIRC, Windows seems to max out around 1472 for the
> > > > MTU, otherwise there are lots of collisions on the net. I set the
MTU
> > > > on my FBSD box to 1472 and no collisions. This may affect your
> > > > throughput, if only marginally.
> > >
> > > Ethernet collisions are not bad. Don't sweat 'em until/if they reach
> > > 150% to 200%. A 1500 octet packat takes a while to send. But
a"collision"
> > > happens in the first 64, takes very little wire time. Many NICs do not
> > > report these collisions at all. Don't believe I've seen them on 3com
> > > NICs I have used. Rather those NICs report *late* collisions which are
> > > bad, very bad, indicating a protocol implementation error, hardware
> > > failure, or a network which is too long. Yup, the network can get so
> > > big the speed of light is no longer fast enough to meet the ethernet
> > > timing specs.
> > >
> > > An analysis I no longer can find the URL for showed a 200% collision
> > > rate on 10 Mbps ethernet resulted in an 8% reduction in network
> > > capacity. So don't sweat the collisions.
> > >
> > > In this thread the user has two machines connected point-to-point with
> > > a crossed cable. No way for collisions to occur. There might be some
> > > advantage to turning on full duplex, which I've never seen
> > > auto-negotiated when connected that way, only when connected to a
switch
> > > which does something to suggest to the machine that full duplex is
> > > available.
> >
> > I haven't measured what the affect is but Window's has a registry key
> > called TCPWindowSize on W2K that you can set to 16k and improve
> > throughput on files being sent to the Windows machine. I was told that
> > their receive windows size is setup to ack/nack records over dialup
> > and is really to small for real networks. I know where the key is on
> > W2K but not off of my head for the 9x variety.
> >
> > Kent
>
> from the horses mouth comes the following
>
>
http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/wuadmintools/s_wunetwo
rkingtools/w95sockets2/default.asp
>
> the winsock2 patch includes:-
>
> Support for TCP large windows (TCPLW) and time stamps
> Support for selective acknowledgements
> Support for fast retransmission and recovery
> Support for DHCP release on shutdown
> Support for DHCP decline
> Support for per-adapter WINS servers
>
> Win95 is purportedly optimized towards dialup internet connectivity!!!!
the
> following registry path  supposedly fixes this.
>
> REGEDIT4
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\VxD\MSTCP]
> "DefaultRcvWindow"="64240"
> "DefaultTTL"="64"
> "PMTUDiscovery"=dword:00000001
> "PMTUBlackHoleDetect"=dword:00000000
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0000]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0001]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0002]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0003]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0004]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0005]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0006]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0007]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0008]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\NetTrans\0009]
> "MaxMTU"="1500"
>
>
>
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Hi, I wasnot able to install mysql from ports (due compiling error) after
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So, i decided to dl the binary distribution (elf) and after read the
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	Hello !

	My apologize if this is not correct list to ask such questions.

	I've been debugging my application for over two days for now and
cannot dig up what's going on. The application itself is daemon that listens
to incoming network connections and then performs fork. The parent continues
to listen a socket and if no incoming connections are pending, performs some
communications to forked children who serve established connections.  So it 
must use some communication channel with each of its children.
	
	When new connection is being accepted server creates two pipes with
pipe(2) call and then forks. 

	Parent then closes unused ends of each pipes and returns back to
listening network.

	Child then execs separate application that assumes that stdin/stdout
is connected to parent and stderr is connected to client (network socket).
So rearrangement of file descriptors should take place. I perform it using
the following sequence:

	/* to_us and from_us are pipes to and from our process,
		0th element is read end, 1st - write end.
	sd is connected socket.
	*/

	close (from_us[0]);
	close (to_us[1]);

	dup_sock = dup (sd);
	dup_out = dup (from_us[1]);
	dup_in = dup (to_us[0]);
	dup2 (dup_in, 0);
	dup2 (dup_out, 1);
	dup2 (dup_sock, 2);

	/* Child won't need anything except fds 0-2 */
	for (i = 3; i < file_descriptors_table_size; i ++)
		close (i);

	/* Clear close-on-exec flags for fds 0-2 */
	...

	/* Exec the app */
	...

	All dup/dup2 calls are successfull. But when parent tries writing to
the pipe it receives SIGPIPE. Debugging shows that the pipe gets widowed
after the last dup2 call. Let's see what happens. Up to this points there
are following allocations of file descriptors:

/* l - socket that daemon listens on
   a - socket with accepted connection
   s - syslog socket
   f[0] - from_us[0] - read end of outgoing pipe
   f[1] - from_us[1] - write end of outgoing pipe
   t[0] - to_us[0] - read end of incoming pipe
   t[1] - to_us[1] - write end of incoming pipe
*/

l   : 0
a   : 1
s   : 3
f[0]: 5
f[1]: 6
t[0]: 2
t[1]: 4

	close (from_us[0]);
	close (to_us[1]);
l   : 0
a   : 1
s   : 3
f[1]: 6
t[0]: 2

	dup_sock = dup (sd);
l   : 0
a   : 1 4
s   : 3
f[1]: 6
t[0]: 2

	dup_out = dup (from_us[1]);
l   : 0
a   : 1 4
s   : 3
f[1]: 6 5
t[0]: 2

	dup_in = dup (to_us[0]);
l   : 0
a   : 1 4
s   : 3
f[1]: 6 5
t[0]: 2 7

	dup2 (dup_in, 0);
a   : 1 4
s   : 3
f[1]: 6 5
t[0]: 2 7 0

	dup2 (dup_out, 1); /* (1) */
a   : 4
s   : 3
f[1]: 6 5 1
t[0]: 2 7 0
/* The pipe is still functioning here (all FDs: 0, 2 and 7) */

	dup2 (dup_sock, 2); /* (2) */
a   : 4 2
s   : 3
f[1]: 6 5 1			/* outgoing pipe */
t[0]: 7 0			/* incoming pipe */
/* The pipe appears to be broken after this call (neither FD 0, nor 7) */

	Two things to mention here. 

	The outgoing pipe is okay. The only difference in setting up FD1 and 
FD0 is that when setting up outgoing pipe (FD1) no dup2 calls freed any of FDs 
associated with pipe. On the other side when setting up incoming pipe, dup2 
call marked as (2) freed descriptor 2 associated with this pipe and has
broken the pipe down. Closing any descriptors associated with pipe using 
close(2) call doesn't break pipe.

	The second thing is that dup2 doesn't break _socket_ even freeing
descriptor associated with it (dup2 call marked as (1)).

	Can anyone point me to the direction how to debug/solve the problem ?
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Christoph Sold <so@server.i-clue.de> types:
> You are right. It is the MX IP that must resolve both ways. Shame there 
> are some providers who don't worry about reverse lookup.

And there are some of us who can't control the reverse lookup. Sure,
in an ideal world everyone would have the reverse lookup set up
properly. But in that ideal world, we'd all have T3's to our house and
a class C network of our own. In the real world, some of us have to
live with cable modems and one IP address - and dynamic dns to map a
name to that, meaning we can't control the reverse lookup.

	<mike

> HTH
> - -Christoph Sold
> 
> Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
> 
> > That does not seem right...
> > 
> > Not every company even HAS an ip address for their domian, especially when
> > they are just using it for mail. after all, for mail, all you need is an MX
> > record....
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christoph Sold [mailto:so@server.i-clue.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 1:03 PM
> > To: Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe
> > Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> > Subject: Re: Sendmail rulesets.
> > 
> > 
> > Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi, folks...
> >> 
> >> i'm running 4.2-STABLE with an updated sendmail.cf file, and i'm getting
> >> some strange things going on...
> >> 
> >> here's a message i get a lot:
> >> 
> >> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916: ruleset=check_mail,
> >> arg1=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net
> >> [209.226.175.139], reject=451 4.1.8 <paulf@canadianalliance.ca>... Domain
> >> of sender address paulf@canadianalliance.ca does not resolve
> >> Nov 26 12:44:50 castle sendmail[14916]: eAQHhTu14916:
> >> from=<paulf@canadianalliance.ca>, size=10963, class=0, nrcpts=0,
> >> proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=tomts1.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.139]
> >> 
> >> What exactly can it not resolve? I resolve canadianalliance.ca just fine
> > 
> > on
> > 
> >> that machine...
> > 
> > 
> > Both forward and reverse name mapping must resolve. That is,  if a.b.com
> > resolves to 1.2.3.4, 4.3.2.1.in-addr.arpa must resolve to a.b.com.
> > 
> > Just check this is the case using either dig or nslookup for the host(s)
> > in question.
> > 
> > HTH
> > -Christoph Sold
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Mike Meyer wrote:
> 
> Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > > > Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:
> > > > vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
> > > > mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > > mount_cd9660: Invalid argument
> > > It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:
> > > su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
> > > su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > cd9660: Invalid argument
> > I had thought about that but the image burns to cd just fine. FWIW I used
> > Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro to create the images. Is there anyway to verify
> > the integrity of an image? Any know issues with CD Creator?
> 
> When you say "the image burns to cd just fine", do you mean that the
> cd mounts after you burn it from that image? If so, you're right -
> something very strange is going on. If you just mean you can make CDs,
> that doesn't tell you anything; burning an ISO image doesn't involve
> interpreting the data in the CD.

I mean the former. I can burn and then mount and use the cd as if it
were the original. Just for kicks I took a windows cd, made an image
(with CD Creator), burned it to another disk (with CD Creator) and then
installed it on an old machine without any problems. So that tells me
that the data is valid. I haven't tried burning an image with burncd
yet, I get the feeling that it won't work though.


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shashi <shashi@Shift-F1.com> types:
> Hi all,
> I have never had this problem before so am not sure how to handle this.
> I added a new hard disk to my computer (4th SCSI disk) which already had
> 3.4-stable. everything was fine. I could mount the CDROM.
> 
> then i said,let me install 4.0 from the DCROM.
> I changed the BIOS setup to change the boot sequence to be "CDROM, C, A"
> on reboot, it said it "found a Bootable CDROM", then it said "the cdrom drive has
> been changed from A: to B:"
> then it went ahead and booted from the hard drive!!!
> 
> i tried everything and failed to boot from CDROM. in desparation I said if there
> is no bootable C: it will pick the CDROM, so I formatted the hard disks and booted
> again, now it complains no bootable device!!
> 
> I have checked the boot sequence, it is CDROM first.
> I have a 450 MHz pretty recent computer, with Award BIOS, 4 SCSI HD, 1 SCSI CDROM.
> 
> any help will be appreciated. if possible cc me on the reply.

You didn't mention any IDE devices, so I'm going to assume you don't
have any.

Question 1: Have you ever booted off that CDROM drive? Are you sure it
can be done at all?

Question 2: What are your SCSI settings? On my SCSI system, it goes
"Boot, option to do BIOS setup. Probe SCSI card, option to do SCSI
setup. Etc." The SCSI settings have to tag the CDROM drive as
bootable. Further, the BIOS settings for this are "Boot from SCSI",
whether I'm booting from the disk or CDROM on the SCSI chain.

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On Thursday 30 November 2000 04:18, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Gary <medmanks@mindspring.com> types:
> > >> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit
> > >> cntrl-C. Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns
> > >> me to the command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?

> This is a feature of the shell, not the OS. Bash, csh and FreeBSD's
> /bin/csh all support it.
>
Mmm, well it does require OS support to work, to be accurate...

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On Thursday 30 November 2000 19:39, Peter Lai wrote:
> peeco because "pico" is the SI prefix for 10^-12 and is pronouncied in good
> greek,latin,and french as "peeco"
>

A on oldie Unix person...

/lib as in "fib"
/usr as in "user" ! .. but the 'e' only hinted at or slash U S R (if you 
insist)
/etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)

More difficult is how do you say "!"

I have heard "shreek" and "bang" commonly

(on one system I worked on the root password was "!angela", pronounced
"bang angela" .. mmm)

Or "#"

The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)

While we are here folks the "rc" as in configuration filenames
does NOT mean "Read or Run Configuration" it means "Run Commands".. so there !

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Michael Hughes wrote:
> 
> Mike Meyer said in email to me:
> >
> > Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > > Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > > Brandon Fosdick <bfoz@glue.umd.edu> types:
> > > > > Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wanted to mount an ISO so I looked around in the archives and found this:
> > > > > vnconfig /dev/vn0c image.iso
> > > > > mount_cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > > > mount_cd9660: Invalid argument
> > > > It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:
> > > > su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
> > > > su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> > > > cd9660: Invalid argument
> > > I had thought about that but the image burns to cd just fine. FWIW I used
> > > Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro to create the images. Is there anyway to verify
> > > the integrity of an image? Any know issues with CD Creator?
> >
> > When you say "the image burns to cd just fine", do you mean that the
> > cd mounts after you burn it from that image? If so, you're right -
> > something very strange is going on. If you just mean you can make CDs,
> > that doesn't tell you anything; burning an ISO image doesn't involve
> > interpreting the data in the CD.
> >
> >       <mike
> > --
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> > Independent WWW/Unix/FreeBSD consultant,      email for rates.
> >
> 
>   I think that Adpatec's Easy CD Creator Pro put a header of some sort in
> the iso image that it makes.

That wouldn't suprise me. Is there any way to convince mount_cd9660 to
deal with the header? I can make images available if that will help. (I
have a 10Mbps connection) 

mount_cd9660 has a '-s startsector' argument. Could that be used in some
way? I tried -s0 through -s3 and it didn't work.

-Brandon


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On Mon, Nov 27, 2000 at 10:36:46PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> Mike Ekholm wrote:
> > 
> > hello,
> > I am running in to some odd problems with name resolution. Here is what I am
> > seeing:
> > 
> > ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> w
> > 10:42PM  up 106 days, 23:24, 14 users, load averages: 0.75, 1.08, 0.94
> > USER             TTY      FROM              LOGIN@  IDLE WHAT
> > ekholm           p0       bigone           Sun09PM    33 -ksh (ksh)
> > ekholm           p1       bigone           20Nov00     - -ksh (ksh)
> >
> <snip who(1) output>
> > 
> > ekholm@zeus:/home/ekholm> last|more
> > ekholm           ttyp0    192.168.0.17     Sun Nov 26 21:46   still logged in
> > ekholm           ttyp1    192.168.0.17     Mon Nov 20 19:00   still logged in
> > ekholm           ttypc    isis.XXXX.XXX    Mon Nov 27 22:26   still logged in
> > ekholm           ttyp8    j1xsfw01.XXXX.XXX Mon Nov 27 08:05   still logged in
> > 
> > 
> > The question is, why does w show the name I am from, but who and
> > last do not.
> 
> w(1) does a DNS lookup on all the hostnames it gets from the utmp
> file.  last(1) and who(1) don't.
> 
> > This happens with almsot any host in my 192.168.0/24, but does NOT happen
> > with IPs in other blocks (as shown in the last).
> 
> When who(1) and last(1) show hostnames, it is because whatever program
> wrote to the utmp/wtmp files recorded the DNS entry in ut_host rather
> than a numeric address.  As stated before, w(1) always does a DNS
> lookup, so you always get a hostname from it if it can find it.
> 
> As to why some of your connections get recorded with numeric address
> and others with DNS names, perhaps you're using different methods to
> log in?  For example, IIRC, ftp records the DNS name in ut_host, while
> telnetd records the numeric address.

I am using ssh to connect in every case. My DNS has zone files for
the 192.168.0/24 and I can resolve those both revurse and forward
with the host command.

Odd.

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hi Erik.

FreeBSD leaks a lot of shared memory.

according to your ipcs -M output,
your system is only configured for 1024 pages of shared memory.
at 4k per page, that's 4MB.
this will tell you how much of that you are currently using:

     $ ipcs -ma | awk '{s+=$10}END{print s/1024, "kB"}'
     492 kB
     $ 

my guess is that if you run ipcs -ma, you'll probably see many lines with
one or more of the following properties:

     1. the pid listed under CPID or LPID does not match any running process.
     2. NATTCH == 1
     3. NATTCH == 0

those segments are taking up space, but aren't being used.
you might be able to recover some of them with ipcrm,
but there will also be some for which this happens:

     $ ipcrm -m 5701638
     ipcrm: shmid(5701638): : Invalid argument
     $

even though 5701638 is listed by ipcs.
the only way to get rid of those is to reboot.

you can reboot less frequently if you increase your limits on
shared memory so the leaked segments have more room to accumulate.
this sets the maximum amount of shared memory to 64MB.

     $ sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmmax=67108864
     $ sysctl -w kern.ipc.shmall=16384

and you can add these lines to sysctl.conf:

     kern.ipc.shmmax=67108864
     kern.ipc.shmall=16384

-- christian.



> Hi folks,
> 
> I've come across the most frustrating problem that I can't seem to find
> any information about anywhere.
> 
> Shared memory.
> 
> I'm not even sure what shared memory actually is, except that everything
> X11 wants it. And nothing I run, it seems, is getting any of it. Doesn't
> matter what program I run, at what stage in the computer's uptime,
> always always always: Gdk-WARNING: shmget() failed, or, various IMLIB
> errors pertaining to SHM.
> 
> Now, the only information I was able to find regarding SysV shared
> memory and FreeBSD was a discussion group posting explaining how to
> increase the max segment size, which I did in my kernel.
> 
> Here's some info:
> 
> bacchusrx% ipcs -M
> 
> shminfo:
>         shmmax: 67108864        (max shared memory segment size)
>         shmmin:       1 (min shared memory segment size)
>         shmmni:    4096 (max number of shared memory identifiers)
>         shmseg:     256 (max shared memory segments per process)
>         shmall:    1024 (max amount of shared memory in pages)
> 
> Also, I checked out this imlib thing and shared memory is all turned on
> and fuzzy there, so I can't figure this one out.
> 
> Absolutely everything wants this shared memory stuff, but nobody seems
> to be getting any... which I think is causing problems when I do
> multimedia stuff as well...
> 
> I'm running FreeBSD 4.2 with XFree86 3.3.6 with GNOME 1.2 and
> Enlightenment 0.16.4 or .5 I don't remember.
> 
> If I just type "ipcs" I get:
> 
> Message Queues:
> T     ID     KEY        MODE       OWNER    GROUP
> 
> Shared Memory:
> T     ID     KEY        MODE       OWNER    GROUP
> m 2228224          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 2293761          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 2293762          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 2293763          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 2162692          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 78708741          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 103743494          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1122238471          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1653735432          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1028784137          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 86704138          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 835649547          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 620429324          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 10289165          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 18219022          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 229572623          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 691601424          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 10682385          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 28442642          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 45088787          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 248446996          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 824705045          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 838467606          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 5767191          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 691732504          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1506344985          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1189216282          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 50528283          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 40173596          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1323237405          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 284688414          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1390805023          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 742981664          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 104136737          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 16056354          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 862388259          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 66846756          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 27787301          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 777846822          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 88670247          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 177340456          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 109641769          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1986986026          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 174063659          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1984823340          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1922891821          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 118226990          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 305201199          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 432472112          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1760952369          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1878982706          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 967442483          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 798425140          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1093992501          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 2092171318          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 113049655          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 129695800          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 30081081          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 36175930          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 23134267          0 --rwarwarwa     root    wheel
> m 4849724          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 9961533          0 --rw-rw-rw- bacchusrx    wheel
> m 8585278          0 --rw-rw-rw- bacchusrx    wheel
> m 121634879          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 113770560          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1124401217          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 1381105730          0 --rwarwarwa bacchusrx    wheel
> m 629014595          0 --rwarwarwa     root    wheel
> 
> Semaphores:
> T     ID     KEY        MODE       OWNER    GROUP
> 
> 
> But that's all greek to me.
> 
> What's going on?
> 
> Erik.


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At 12:30 PM 11/30/00 -0800, Mike Heasley wrote:
>> From: Dave Bretthauer <bretthauer@scsu.ctstateu.edu>
>> 
>> At 03:11 PM 11/29/00 -0600, Drew Sanford wrote:
>> >Dave Bretthauer wrote:
>> >
>> >> Fatal server error:
>> >> xf86OpenConsole: KDENABIO failed (Operation not permitted)
>> >
>> >Are you using KDE? Have you tried this without using KDE? This could be 
>> >a KDE problem and not an X problem.
>> 
>> I noticed that, too, and wondered why it was there.  No, I did not install
>> KDE (in fact, the reason I used vanilla X for a client is because I got the
>> same message after doing a full install with Gnome + Sawtooth).
>
>Just to add another data point, I'm having the exact trouble you are.
>I installed 4.2, configured X (it ran just fine at my selected resolutions
>during the install), rebooted, and got the above KDENABIO error.  I too
>did not install KDE, and I seriously doubt that has anything to do with
>it since it's an error in the X server itself.
>
>I wasn't able to find the error string in the XFree documentation, but
>my best guess at its meaning is possibly "keyboard enable I/O" error?
>Maybe it's a problem with the console driver in the kernel?  This is
>just speculation of course.
>
>I get the error in a number of situations: using the XF86_SVGA server,
>the VGA16 server, and the Mach64 server for my card.  I also rebuilt
>the kernel and got the same results.  Any ideas are much appreciated!

Well, you saved me the trouble of rebuilding a kernel for now! 8^)

I should add a couple more pieces of info:  I have now done fresh installs
of 4.2 on 3 different PCs.  One has a Matrox Millenium, one has ATI Mach64,
and the newest one has ATI 3D Rage Pro.  I've had the same result on all 3.  

If I'd never set up X before, I'd figure I did something wrong and RTFM
more carefully.  But I *did* set it up, with Gnome and Afterstep (no longer
an option), on both the Matrox and Mach64 PCs before.  And it worked.  Then
I  cvsup'd from 4.1 to 4.1.1 sometime in October on the Matrox box
(currently a test machine for me), and that's when it stopped working.  I'd
hoped a fresh install would help, but that didn't cure the problem, either.

I'd appreciate any thoughts as well!

Dave


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On Thursday 30 November 2000 21:34, Joel Bjork wrote:
> > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
slash source
>
> Lets add fsck to the discussion, that usually generates some mail.
>
f sick

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

> /etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)

Some even worse reprobates (myself included) say ET-see.

> Or "#"
> 
> The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
> Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)

And there are always the pedants who say "octothorpe."

What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."

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On Thursday 30 November 2000 21:50, Roop Nanuwa wrote:
> This is just me of course, but my pronunciations are as follows:
>
> /bin pronounced like sin
> /usr pronounced like user
> /src pronounced like source
> /etc pronounced like the letters e-t-c
> /sbin pronounced like the letter s plus bin
> fsck pronounced like f-sack
>
> Now here are some I'm not too sure about:
> sh is just the letters s-h
> but then is csh pronounced c-s-h or cash?
it is pronounced "the C shell" :)
> tcsh: I call it t-c-s-h.. is that right or is it t-cash?
The TC Shell
>
> RSN
> "Adding more fuel to the fire"
>
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Joel Bjork wrote:
> > > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
> >
> > Lets add fsck to the discussion, that usually generates some mail.
> >
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> > Time: 21:34:24
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>Christoph Sold <so@server.i-clue.de> types:
>> You are right. It is the MX IP that must resolve both ways. Shame there 
>> are some providers who don't worry about reverse lookup.

Periodic problems with reverse lookups are understandable, cuz
administrators are always overworked. Usually, a note to them will
take care of it.  That said, if my ISP had this problem and flatly
refused to bother to fix it, I wouldn't call it a shame; I'd call it a
breach of contract and take my business elsewhere -- though I
recognize that in some areas, that may not be an option.

There are many reasons that reverse lookup must work.  Downloading
128-bit encryption packages in the US used to mean authentication by
IP, and that required a valid reverse lookup; ssh will frequently balk
if it can't do a reverse lookup on the client; hell, even some of the
educational servers around here reject finger requests from IPs that
don't resolve both ways. That's part of basic internet connectivity,
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I'll shut up now.



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On Thursday 30 November 2000 23:39, Chris Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > /etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)
>
> Some even worse reprobates (myself included) say ET-see.
>
> > Or "#"
> >
> > The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
> > Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)
>
> And there are always the pedants who say "octothorpe."
>
> What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."

~ till duh OR squiggle
Or even more contoversial "^"

some say "circumflex", say say "hat"

and {} .. curly brackets or accolades ?

and 'ticks" or "quotes" ?

...
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and the final answer.... pico is pronounced "peeco" (as you spelled
it)
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}My thoughts:
}
}lib
}first part of library (since thats where all the libraries
}and such are :)) (which would be "vibe")
}
}bin
}pronounced just like it looks....the thing you store things in...
}a bin :)....but I could see the arg for it being pronounced
}the "whine"
}way with it being the first part of "binary" (see arg for lib.)
}
}this could probably be argued just as much as the pronunciation
}of linux :)  (leeenucks or li sounding line "linus") :).
}
}(fyi...heres a linux to linus' pronuciation of it :P)
}http://www.linux.org/info/sounds/english.au
}http://www.linux.org/info/sounds/swedish.au
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}> /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"?
}> /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
}> peeco or pyco?
}>
}> I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
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The "minicom" program can send files using the xmodem protocol. It is in
the ports collection.

===Janko van Roosmalen - Vught - Netherlands===

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote:

> I have a DOS-STAMP running DOS-ROM and I need to transfer a file to its
> flash disk. The os supports serial transfers with the xmodem protocol.
> How do I do this in FreeBSD? I tried using Hyperterminal in windows but
> it does something funny with the control keys (I need to send a Ctrl-X
> to break out of autoexec.bat).
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon




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> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

Please don't do this. Just send plain text to this list; you're more
likely to get a response that way.

> Heres a new issue that doesn't appear to have been mentioned previously =
> :)
> 
> I built a 4.2 RELEASE system to replace my present 486 gateway box, but =
> it wasn't til=20
> after most of the configuration was complete that I noticed the system =
> time was out.
> 
> Normally fixing this is merely a matter of running something like "date =
> 0011302230",
> however when I try that I get "Time clamped to +1 second" !!!!!!!!!!!

You're almost certainly running at securelevel of 2 or more. See the
init(8) man page for details.

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Geez. Just went through this myself. To make a long story short,
it was an IRQ conflict with a Digiboard PC/16e card. The Digiboard
card doesn't use IRQ's, but from the factory it is set to use
IRQ's. After setting the DIP switches, the problem went away
and the ports worked correctly. BTW, I got the same message
on BOTH ports due to this problem. Now both work well.

Check your IRQ's.

-Roger

> Pardon the lame web mail as out NT server is all screwed up....
> 
> there have been numerous posts about this subject in the archives at 
> www.freebsd.org/search.  I had the same problem a while back but forgot hw i 
> fixed it.  It had something to do with  modem settings in my case.  Search the 
> archives and you'll find more than enough information, it is there.
> 
> > On 29 Nov 00 at 9:54, Andy Farkas wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Duke Normandin wrote:
> > >
> > >> sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
> > >> sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa
> > >> sio1: type 16550A
> > >> 
> > >> I have a problem according to the first sio1: line above, but I don't know 
> > >> what it is. I was having trouble cutting & pasting with my 3 button serial 
> > >> mouse - maybe I don't know how ;,) - so I looked first at hardware probs.
> > >> Any ideas on the above sio1 deal? Tia...
> > >
> > >This usually means you have an irq conflict (on irq 3).
> > 
> > OK.... I'll check my hardware settings. Can't think of what else would be 
> > using irq 3 though.....
> > 
> > -duke
> > Calgary,Alberta, Canada
> > 
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> Please don't do this. Just send plain text to this list; you're more
> likely to get a response that way.
>
ahhhh sorry, I thought it was set to plain text

> You're almost certainly running at securelevel of 2 or more. See the
> init(8) man page for details.

yeah thats correct .... when I dropped to securelevel 1 the problem went
away :)
I can't imagine what changing the date has to do with security though





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New Star Service Company <nestar@globalctg.net> types:
> Today I install FreeBSD3.3 with  windows 95. I'm single user.
> sometimes windows 95 give me much trouble so I try to use FreeBSD and like
> to
> need answer urgently of my few questions.
> (1)
> I create only one partition for /root  ---- 1700MB and another for swap  --
> 128MB.
> I have RAM 128MB in my machine.
> Do my partition is OK ?

Well, I'd suggest splitting your big partition in two, and putting
/home on the other one, so that "your" stuff is separated out from the
system stuff. That's the only problem.

> (2)
> In root (/) I mount my CDROM by this command :
>     mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /cdrom
> but I'm not able to mount CDROM from my user account. How I solve this
> problem ?
> please give suggestion same also of floppy.

See the FAQ entry at <URL:
http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/admin.html#USER-FLOPPYMOUNT > for both of
them.


> Do I able to mount CDROM & FLOPPY in single command like /cdrom or /floppy ?

You need to add lines to fstab for /cdrom and /floppy. See the fstab
man page.

> (3)
> I have color monitor, I want to use colors  Directory for Red , File for
> blue,
>  Symbolic link for cyan,executable file for green . Which file I edit ?

Check the man page for the command you are using to look at the files.

> (4)
> I have printer Canon BJC-4300. How can print from it or by use default ?

See the handbook entry on printing <URL:
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/printing.html >

> Waiting your reply.

You could have gotten everything but the question about partition
setup faster by searching the FreeBSD web site before asking the
question, which is *always* a recommended practice.

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Hi Folks,

I've been trying hard to get a FreeBSD system booted via PXE with only
limited success. Maybe someone can have a look at my configs and shed a
little light on this for me.

Here's what happens at boot time:

   Intel UNDI, PXE-2.0 (build 067)
   Copyright (c) 1997, 1998 Intel Corporation

   DHCP MAC ADDR
   CLIENT ID: 192.168.254.133  MASK: 255.255.255.0  DHCP IP: 192.168.254.3
   GATEWAY IP: 192.168.254.1
   PXE Loader 1.00

   Building the boot loader arguments
   Relocating the loader and the BTX
   Starting the BTX loader

   BTX loader 1.00 BTX Version 1.01
   Console: internal video/keyboard
   BIOS drive A: is disk0

   PXE Version 2.1, real mode entry point @9db3:0106
   BIOS 639kB/392180kB available memory

   FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 0.8
   (root@matt.domain.com, Thu Nov 30 11:45:41 PST 2000)
   pxe_open: server addr: 192.168.254.3
   pxe_open: server path: /tftpboot
   pxe_open: gateway ip: 192.168.254.1
   \
   Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt.
   Booting [kernel]...
   \                     (if using pxeboot) 
   can't load 'kernel'   (if using pxeboot.tftp)



Because it'll be fetching the pxeboot file via tftp, it's set up as follows:

   # grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
   tftp    dgram   udp     wait    nobody  /usr/libexec/tftpd      tftpd -l
/tftpboot

Since I've also tried to get it to work using TFTP for the kernel (as
opposed to NFS) I run inetd with the -R0 flag so that connections to inetd
services aren't rate limited.

   # ps ax | grep inetd
     1088  ??  Ss     0:00.01 inetd -wW -R0


My /tftpboot is set up as follows:

   # ll /tftpboot/*
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel     2034 Nov 12 09:12 /tftpboot/install.cfg
   -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  2441176 Nov 30 11:54 /tftpboot/kernel
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  2949120 Nov 30 11:57 /tftpboot/mfsroot
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   165888 Nov 30 11:46 /tftpboot/pxeboot
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   165888 Nov 30 11:47 /tftpboot/pxeboot.tftp

   /tftpboot/boot:
   -r--r--r--  1 root  wheel     512 Nov 11 16:57 boot1
   -r--r--r--  1 root  wheel    7680 Nov 11 16:57 boot2
   -r-xr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  163840 Nov 11 16:57 loader
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel     190 Nov 30 12:51 loader.rc
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel     190 Nov 11 18:42 loader.rc.custom
   -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel     136 Nov 30 12:21 loader.rc.flp

All the files in the boot directory are off the 4.1-stable boot floppy. The
loader.rc.custom is the same as the example given on Alfred's page and the
.flp one is off the floppy.

The pxeboot and pxeboot.tftp are exactly what you'd expect. The pxeboot file
is the default pxeboot with NFS support and the pxeboot.tftp was generated
by editing the /etc/make.conf file, setting the TFTP flag and recompiling
pxeboot. The files definately are different because I can change the DHCP
file to point to the other file and get different results at boot time.

NFS is configured as follows:

   matt# more /etc/exports
   /    -alldirs -ro
   /usr -alldirs -ro
   /cdrom -alldirs -maproot=root -ro

   matt# mount
   /dev/ad0s2a on / (ufs, NFS exported, local)
   /dev/ad0s2e on /usr (ufs, NFS exported, local)
   /dev/acd0c on /cdrom (cd9660, NFS exported, local, read-only)

The DHCP server is a FreeBSD 4.2-stable system (make buildworld on
11/29/00). The DHCP server is isc-dhcp 3.0b2pl9 and is configured as shown:

   option broadcast-address 192.168.254.255;
   option domain-name-servers 192.168.254.3;
   option domain-name "domain.com";
   option routers 192.168.254.1;
   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
   option space PXE;
   option PXE.mtftp-ip     code 1 = ip-address;
   option PXE.mtftp-cport  code 2 = unsigned integer 16;
   option PXE.mtftp-sport  code 3 = unsigned integer 16;
   option PXE.mtftp-tmout  code 4 = unsigned integer 8;
   option PXE.mtftp-delay  code 5 = unsigned integer 8;
   server-name "DHCPserver"; 
   server-identifier 192.168.254.3;

   subnet 192.168.254.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
        option routers 192.168.254.1;
        option root-path "/tftpboot";
        filename "pxeboot";
   #    filename "pxeboot.tftp";    (compiled for TFTP boot support vs
standard NFS)
        range 192.168.254.32 192.168.254.99;
        }
   host c3.domain.com {
        hardware ethernet 00:02:b3:1c:c6:02;
        next-server 192.168.254.3;
        fixed-address 192.168.254.133;
        default-lease-time -1;
        class "pxeclients"
          { match if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) =
                "PXEClient";
          option vendor-class-identifier "PXEClient";
          option PXE.mtftp-ip 0.0.0.0;
          vendor-option-space PXE;
          }
        }


So, what am I missing?

Matt



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Brian McGovern <mcgovern@spoon.beta.com> types:
> Therefore, is there a way to change the linker behavior once the application
> has started?... Namely, the equivelent of setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH _after_ the
> application has loaded all of the initial libraries and started running, but
> before I get around to calling my loader?

This may be a stupid suggestion, but I've never tried such a thing.  I
do wonder about it myself and you can test it easier than I can.

What happens if just use the setenv(3) call to change the environment?
Does that work, or is it to late for the environment to have an
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I can't find any information regarding FreeBSD's support for the High Point
HTP370 IDE Controller found on the Abit KT7 RAID motherboard.  Normally I
would assume this means that there is no support and I should just go ahead
and run another OS.  However, FreeBSD is my 1st choice of OS and Id like to
purchase this motherboard and run it on it.  I have found that Linux
supports the controller through a kernel patch.  It therefore seems
possible to me that someone has done the same for FreeBSD.  Any information
you have on the support or possible future support of this controller in
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john@goodleaf.net types:
> I was just searching the ports tree for a secure ntp arrangement. None
> seems to be there. Can anyone recommend sntp software that compiles and
> runs well on FBSD?

What do you want in the way of security that the ntpd provided with
the system doesn't do?

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moro <moro@balticom.lv> types:
> I want ask about freeebsd ...
> Can I create partitions (freebsd partition,freebsd swap) with a different utility
> unlike freebsd fdisk ?

You don't create partitions with fdisk, you create slices with
fdisk. You can create FreeBSD slices with anything that will let you
set the slice type. However, to create partitions inside the slice,
you'll have to use the FreeBSD disklabel command.

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I have an Intel L440GX+ server board with an onboard Pro100+ ethernet
(82559) NIC. The hardware compatibility list it lists the Pro100B but not
this one. does anyone know if it's compatible?

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Doug Young <oracle@bryden.apana.org.au> types:
> 
> > Please don't do this. Just send plain text to this list; you're more
> > likely to get a response that way.
> ahhhh sorry, I thought it was set to plain text

GUI mailers aren't good at showing you that kind of thing.

> > You're almost certainly running at securelevel of 2 or more. See the
> > init(8) man page for details.
> 
> yeah thats correct .... when I dropped to securelevel 1 the problem went
> away :)
> I can't imagine what changing the date has to do with security though

Off the top of my head, mangling log entries, defeating time-based
security mechanisms, and "beating" deadlines.

BTW, I just PR'ed this one for the FAQ.


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On 30-Nov-00 Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> On Thursday 30 November 2000 23:39, Chris Hill wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
>> > /etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)
>>
>> Some even worse reprobates (myself included) say ET-see.
>>
>> > Or "#"
>> >
>> > The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
>> > Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)
>>
>> And there are always the pedants who say "octothorpe."
>>
>> What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
>> but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> 
> ~ till duh OR squiggle
> Or even more contoversial "^"
> 
> some say "circumflex", say say "hat"

caret

> and {} .. curly brackets or accolades ?

I've also heard "curly braces" or just "braces".

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On 30-Nov-00 Chris Hill wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> 
>> /etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)
> 
> Some even worse reprobates (myself included) say ET-see.

I prefer ET-see as well.

>> Or "#"
>> 
>> The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
>> Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)
> 
> And there are always the pedants who say "octothorpe."
> 
> What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."

I say TIL-day, but I'm just a youngin'

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On 30-Nov-00 Roop Nanuwa wrote:
> 
> This is just me of course, but my pronunciations are as follows:
> 
> /bin pronounced like sin
> /usr pronounced like user
> /src pronounced like source
> /etc pronounced like the letters e-t-c
> /sbin pronounced like the letter s plus bin
> fsck pronounced like f-sack

I used to say the letters: f-s-c-k, but now I usually say "fisk". (rhymes with
disk)

> Now here are some I'm not too sure about:
> sh is just the letters s-h

Yeah, s-h

> but then is csh pronounced c-s-h or cash?

I usually say C-shell

> tcsh: I call it t-c-s-h.. is that right or is it t-cash?

either TC-shell, or "teesh", some people call csh "seesh" in the same fashion.

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You probably have an I/O port conflict, and/or memory address conflict.
Try using Digi's DOS "digimmap.exe" program. It is on one of the 
floppies that they supply with the card. It should tell you what
memory address are availble to use for the Digiboard.

BTW, all of my 27 hosts using PC/16e's are set to either 0x320 & 0xd0000
or else 0x320 & 0xa0000.

-Roger

> What's the line in your kernel config that you used for 3.5? Maybe it
> just needs a little tweak to wire down the resources, rather than
> letting it search for them. Check the man page for dgb, if you haven't
> already, to make sure you're on the right track.
> -Otter
> 
> 
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> }
> }I have a 16-port DigiBoard that I've been using under
> }FreeBSD 2.x and 3.x,
> }most recently 3.5-STABLE.  I just upgraded to 4.2-STABLE, and now the
> }DigiBoard doesn't work.  dmesg shows:
> }
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:

> 
> What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> 

twiddle

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> > I can't imagine what changing the date has to do with security though
>
> Off the top of my head, mangling log entries, defeating time-based
> security mechanisms, and "beating" deadlines.
>
ahhhhh ..... that sounds logical, log entries at least are important here so
looks like I'd best run securelevel 2 then. Thanks for the info Mike :)






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Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> On Thursday 30 November 2000 04:18, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Gary <medmanks@mindspring.com> types:
> > > >> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit
> > > >> cntrl-C. Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns
> > > >> me to the command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> > > Can also type %(name of program) to bring it back (at least in Linux)
> > This is a feature of the shell, not the OS. Bash, csh and FreeBSD's
> > /bin/csh all support it.
> Mmm, well it does require OS support to work, to be accurate...

Well, suspend/resume requires OS support. But whether any shell
supports the "%(name of program)" feature for doing a resume is a
shell feature; the OS has nothing to do with that. And if the OS
doesn't do suspend/resume, the the problem with C-Z that started the
thread would never happen :-).


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* Brian Beattie <beattie@aracnet.com> [001130 15:41] wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> > 
> 
> twiddle

"ok, now hit tilde" (til-deh)
"what?"
"the curly line thing"
"the what?"
"y'know the accent thing above the back-tick..?"
"back.. tick?"
"argh!"  *WHAM* *WHAM* *WHAM* (slamming phone on desk)
"hello? hello? what was that?"
"*nothing*, y'know the spanish accent thingy on the upper left hand side
 of the keyboard?"
"uh...?"
 *WHAM* *WHAM* *WHAM* (this time it's my head hitting the desk)
"oh! i found it! nice homepage..."
"yeah, great... bye!" *CLICK*

Moral of the story:
  Depending on technical ability you may have adapt your pronunciation.

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Janko van Roosmalen wrote:

> The "minicom" program can send files using the xmodem protocol. It is in
> the ports collection.

And speaking of minicom..

Has anyone gotten this beast to work with the numeric keypad?   

The lack of keypad bites me at least once a day...hehe.

later...david


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> 
> Thus spake brian william wolter (bwolter@thesadmachine.org):
> 
> > has anyone seen a fbsd port of netscape 6.0 or am i going to have to use
> > the linux version?
> 
> The linux version works fine. You'll have to install the linux-gtk port
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> 


Hi,

I installed netscape 6.0 for linux with no difficulty, but it appears full of bugs namely,

1)  No access to https sites
2)  Poor JAVA support (Asks for JAVA plugin, then fails to install)
3)  Helper Apps broken
4)  General pre-release software feel (debug output to stdout w errors).

Generally, it feels like netscape 6.0 PR4 to me. Is it just me, or is anyone else getting these bugs also? Just about moving back to Netscape 4, and leaving netscape 6 as a curiosity in my HDD.


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Brian Beattie wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
> 
> >
> > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> >
> 
> twiddle

A twiddle is the little spinning ascii icon {/-\|/-...}, like the one that the
boot loader uses. At least I think its the boot loader, haven't had to reboot in
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howdy, when I reboot my machine (FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE), vinum starts 
up and can't find any drives. If I run vinum and do a printconfig, 
its empty! Every time I need to reboot for something, I have to go 
into vinum, re-create the conf, fsck the vinum volume, then I'm able 
to mount. any ideas why saveconfig doesn't work? thx,

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%On 30-Nov-00 Roop Nanuwa wrote:
~snip~
%
%I used to say the letters: f-s-c-k, but now I usually say "fisk".
%(rhymes with
%disk)
%
I learned from mostly very bitter sys admins, that always called fsck "f
suck" and in fact, outside of this thread, I have never heard it called
anything else. Considering how long it can take on larger drives... I'd have
to agree that at times it is very appropriate.

~snip~

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote:

> Brian Beattie wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
> > 
> > > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> > 
> > twiddle
> 
> A twiddle is the little spinning ascii icon {/-\|/-...}, like the one
> that the boot loader uses. At least I think its the boot loader,
> haven't had to reboot in a while. :) 

I have. About three weeks ago (actually 23 days, 20:23) I was reading
something online (perhaps this very list), crossed my legs, and
accidentally hit the power switch with my toe.  Retard. Yes, I've moved
the CPU to a new spot. 

--
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[1]    Bus error                     netscape



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Hi --

Not sure if you can help me with this, but the freebsd.org
website says to ask you if I have a problem making my 
kernel, so I thought I'd give it a shot.

I implemented a new kernel option called "TCP_REORDER" and
added it to the /sys/i386/conf/options file, per the 
instructions in the FreeBSD handbook.  I included "opt_tcp_reorder.h"
in /sys/netinet/tcp_var.h and get the following error
during the make process:

===> if_tun
===> ipfilter
===> ipfw
cc -O -pipe -DIPFIREWALL  -D_KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I-  -I. -I@ -I@/../include  -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -c /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfw/../../netinet/ip_fw.c
In file included from /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfw/../../netinet/ip_fw.c:62:
@/netinet/tcp_var.h:40: opt_tcp_reorder.h: No such file or directory
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/ipfw.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/REORDER.




I'm assuming this problem is occurring because the ipfw
code is part of a loadable module (?).  Can you give me
a pointer about what to do in this case?

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Peter Yang

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Lim Wee Guan wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I installed netscape 6.0 for linux with no difficulty, but it appears full of bugs namely,
> 
> 1)  No access to https sites
> 2)  Poor JAVA support (Asks for JAVA plugin, then fails to install)
> 3)  Helper Apps broken
> 4)  General pre-release software feel (debug output to stdout w errors).
> 
> Generally, it feels like netscape 6.0 PR4 to me. Is it just me, or is anyone else getting these bugs also? Just about moving back to Netscape 4, and leaving netscape 6 as a curiosity in my HDD.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Wee Guan.
> 
Pretty much ditto this, though the additional functionality of the mail 
program has me running both 4&6 - 4 for the web, 6 for the mail.



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On Thursday, 30 November 2000 at 16:35:25 -0800, Rebecca 'Bean' Visger wrote:
> howdy, when I reboot my machine (FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE), vinum starts
> up and can't find any drives. If I run vinum and do a printconfig,
> its empty! Every time I need to reboot for something, I have to go
> into vinum, re-create the conf, fsck the vinum volume, then I'm able
> to mount.

You need to fsck as well?  Are you sure?

> any ideas why saveconfig doesn't work? thx,

You shouldn't need to use saveconfig.  The configuration gets saved
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i was building world and i got this error ..

cd /usr/src/gnu/lib/libobjc;            make beforeinstall
sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh -C -o root -g wheel -m 444
/usr/src/gnu/lib/libobjc/../../../contrib/gcc/o$
install: /usr/src/gnu/lib/libobjc/../../../contrib/gcc/objc/hash.h: No
such file or directory
*** Error code 71

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
*** Error code 1

Stop.
root@filter://

dunno how i should approach fixing that .. any help would be appreciated.

- Dan



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Hi!

	I'm downloading via ftp the release 4.1.1 and still I don't finish.  When I
try to connect today I cannot access because it shows me an error:

*******
	Attempt to connect to ftp.freebsd.org failed.

	A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly
respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because
connected host has failed to respond.
*******

	Please help me because I want to finish downloading your Operating System
to make some tests.


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>	I'm downloading via ftp the release 4.1.1 and still I don't finish.  When I
>try to connect today I cannot access because it shows me an error:
>
>*******
>	Attempt to connect to ftp.freebsd.org failed.
>
>	A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly
>respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because
>connected host has failed to respond.
>*******
>
>	Please help me because I want to finish downloading your Operating System
>to make some tests.

   There is a failed gig-e card in a Cisco 12012 at our ISP that has taken
ftp.freebsd.org offline for the moment. It should be fixed later tonight.

-DG

David Greenman
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I recently installed FreeBSD 4.1.1 (I'm new to BSD) on my Sony VAIO
PCG-818 laptop and have been unsuccessful in getting my NIC, a 3com
3C598D, to work.  The power light on the card comes on, but I get no
link light on my hub.  ifconfig reports:

ep0: flags=8802<BROADCAST,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
	ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 
	media: 10base2/BNC
	supported media: 10base2/BNC 10baseT/UTP 10base5/AUI

The card works fine when I boot to Win98.

boot message:

ep0 at port 0x300 irq 11 on isa0
ep0: eeprom failed to come ready.
ep0: eeprom failed to come ready.
ep0: eeprom failed to come ready.
ep0: eeprom failed to come ready.
ep0: eeprom failed to come ready.
ep0: Ethernet address 00:00:00:00:00:00
pccard: card inserted, slot 1

I've tried enabling and disabling PnP in my BIOS, changing the IRQ, and
I still get the same lack of results.  Am I using the correct driver? 
Do I need to edit a configuration elsewhere?

Thanks, 
	DC


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Im new to FreeBSD. I did a full install and got it all up and running =
but when I run startx i get=20

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Mike Meyer writes:
> It looks like your iso isn't. i.e.:
> 
> su-2.04# vnconfig /dev/vn0 /etc/motd
> su-2.04# mount -t cd9660 /dev/vn0c /mnt
> cd9660: Invalid argument

Just for fun I tried:

% file *
4.2-install.iso: MS Windows COFF Unknown CPU
CHECKSUM.MD5:    ASCII text

Hmmm. If someone has any time on their hands we oughta touch up 
file(1)'s definitions table. Can't have it thinking an image of the 
FreeBSD install CD is "MS Windows COFF Unknown CPU"  :-)

Wondering if file(1) made its decision looking at the boot code?

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> Matt Rudderham wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I was wondering if someone could recommend some tools for
> reporting usage of
> > sendmail and apache. Preferably something that can create a
> html document
> > with a graph of the amout of mail for sendmail or requests for
> Apache that
> > have been processed. Logs are great, but they can be time consuming when
> > loads get up.  I'd prefer something free and open source. Thanks
> >
> > - Matt
>
> For Apache logs, I use both Analog as well as Webalizer. Both are
> available in the ports.
> Both produce nice html output including graphics. Just add a
> access-restricted directory to your server and redirect the output
> there. Both may be run from chron.
>
> HTH
> -Christoph Sold
Thanks for the reply, I thought this message had ended up in a black hole
somewhere:) That sounds exactly like what I was looking for, now If I could
just find a similar utility for sendmail, however Apache is the more
important.
- Matt



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From owner-freebsd-questions  Thu Nov 30 19:31:51 2000
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Tried it. It didn't appear to work, although it may have been something
silly I did. Basically, I did a:

setenv("LD_LIBRARY_PATH",".",1);

I was hoping to get the loader to use the current directory to find
libraries, so a later call to:

dlopen("foo.so",RTLD_NOW | RTLD_GLOBAL);

would find foo.so in the current directory.

	-Brian

 > Brian McGovern <mcgovern@spoon.beta.com> types:
 > > Therefore, is there a way to change the linker behavior once the applicati
on
 > > has started?... Namely, the equivelent of setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH _after_ 
the
 > > application has loaded all of the initial libraries and started running, b
ut
 > > before I get around to calling my loader?
 > 
 > This may be a stupid suggestion, but I've never tried such a thing.  I
 > do wonder about it myself and you can test it easier than I can.
 > 
 > What happens if just use the setenv(3) call to change the environment?
 > Does that work, or is it to late for the environment to have an
 > effect?
 > 
 > 	<mike
 > --
 > Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>			http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
 > Independent WWW/Unix/FreeBSD consultant,	email for more information.


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On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, David Banning wrote:

> Thanks for your response - 
> 
> Before I do all that - is it possible to find out what my running
> IP address currently is, and access my computer by typing
> http://123.456.7.8/myfiles.html
> 
> or some such thing in my browser?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:54:35AM -0800, tim hobbs wrote:
> > Hi David,
> > 
> > 
> > > I would like to call into my computer and access it
> > > like a web host
> > > from somewhere else on the web.  My thought is that
> > > this should be possible
> > > if my IP address is known.  
> > 
> > This is how I am doing it, if this helps:
> > 

Interesting! I have been wondering about dynamic dns. What do
they do about caching name servers? I find that changing the
DNS entry takes a couple days to propagate..

Here's how I do it.. I have an "outside" server on a fixed IP.
Perhaps you could do this at work, if you have a T1. This
server is where the domain points. You can sell it to your
boss because only the mouse clicks of the web user go
through the outside server. The web pages go out through
your dynamic IP's connection.

At my house, I have a "local" server, where the web page
actually runs. I have some processes running a ham radio
mail service on radios that requires that the web server
run on the same machine as the radios are connected to.
This machine has a dynamic IP.

I establish an SSH connection to the "outside" server and
then use port redirection to forward port 80 from the "outside"
server to the "local" server, where Apache runs. This is really
easy with SSH.

An added benefit is that you can always connect
directly to your home machine if you want to from anywhere,
because you can log into the "outside" server and do a
"netstat -a" and see who's connected to port 22. Then,
you can ssh or (less securly) telnet or ftp into your
"local" machine from anywhere.

You can write a little expect script to test the line
occasionally in case your ISP goes down like mine does
once in a while, so that the "tunnel" re-establishes itself
on failure.

The "outside" machine can be an old 486.

Works for me...

Jim Durham




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From owner-freebsd-questions  Thu Nov 30 19:36:47 2000
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> [...]
> 
> I don't think it was that exotic. The cdrecord man page says a lot about
> priority levels and real time features of kernels, that on some systems
> its unable to gain higher priority than internal kernel processes, and
> says this about Solaris which I don't fully understand but maybe you do:
> 
>      Cdrecord runs at priority 59  on  Solaris,  you  should  run
>      mkisofs  at  no more than priority 58. On other systems, you
>      should run mkisofs at no less than nice --18.

The "cdrecord" program just writes data.  The mkisofs is reading
it, and may result in faults.  The swapper is a kernel process,
so if you are polling on an I/O completion, and are higher
priority than the process which is going to satisfy your request,
well, you get to wait forever.  The same goes for feeding cdrecord,
if you are piping to it.


> Under Irix, the system froze the first time cdrecord accesses the blank
> CD-R. All other disk activity stops (as observed by LEDs on the
> devices). The freeze was fairly long, 10 to 15 seconds and ended when
> the CD-R LED started flickering. I believe it was exactly the same under
> FreeBSD 2.2.8.
> 
> Its very likely it was a timed hang with the intent of presetting VM 
> state.

Maybe; it's more likely a driver problem, where a request is
being completed synchronously for some reason.  This may be a
requirement: I was able to lock up my ATAPI CD-RW to the point
of needing a reboot by doing a burncd -t (test, don't write),
and then interrupting the process.  The thing would not even
acknowledge an eject requests using the manual eject butto,
and the drive activity light was off ("Doctor, it hurts when I
do this..."; not a fair equivalence, since OS' should never
lock up hardware under any circumstances).  I suspect that I
interrupted a series of synchronous required commands in the
middle of a sequence.

If you look at the SCSI commands in the sample cdrecord script,
I think it's pretty clear that they took the easy way out on
guaranteeing order of operation.


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
---
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From owner-freebsd-questions  Thu Nov 30 19:47:53 2000
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From: Miles Peterson <miles@turboflux.net>
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Hey.

	I'm trying to setup FreeBSD on one of my old 486 DX2's, running at
66MHz.  When I get to the hardware setup thing, the visual one (B&W), I
remove all hardware I don't have and configure what I do.  I quit, save
and continue to sysinstall.  It sits and hangs at "Probing devices, please
wait..".  I scroll up and I see it detects all the hardware I have, no
errors.  In the DEBUG terminal, I see the lines:
DEBUG: ioctl(3, TIOCCONS, NULL) = 0 (success)
DEBUG: Can't open PC-card controller /dev/card0.
DEBUG: Can't open USB controller.

After about 10 minutes I see:
(da0:aha0:0:0:0): CCB 0xc32373f4 - timed out
(da0:aha0:0:0:0): CCB 0xc32373f4 - timed out
aha0: aha_cmd: Timeout waiting for adapter idle
ahainitmboxes: Initialization command failed
aha0: No longer in timeout
(da0:aha0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0x4b, scsi status == 0x0

Then it repeats after a few more minutes.

The hardware I have:
Adaptec AHA1452 SCSI1/2 Controller
D-Link DE220CT NIC
Goldstar Prime 2C IDE Controller
Trident 9000 Video Card
486 DX2 66MHz Chip
2X SCSI CD-ROM
1.2GB Quantum BIGFOOT IDE Harddrive
400MB Quantum Full height SCSI1 Harddrive
NEC 765 Diskdrive

The only thing it doesnt list when I scroll up are the specific names of
the CD-ROM (not listed period), Trident card, NIC, and IDE controller (it
finds the IDE drive however).

I'm at a loss.  Any help would be appreciated.

- Miles Peterson




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i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able to =
get it to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the =
power-pak 4.0 so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted =
freebsd because i thought it would be the last system i would ever need =
to buy.)  i also wanted the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact =
of the matter is that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd =
would not recognize my multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  =
which by the way, both versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows =
nt were able to use without any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the =
repeated claims of freebsd superiority to be a bunch of crap!

i have absolutely no idea how something so superior to windows and linux =
is unable to recognize the presense of my adaptec aha152x scsi adaptor =
on my soundblaster 16 card.  maybe it's too beneath freebsd to recognize =
my lowly implementation of scsi.  i knew that freebsd claimed to be =
mature; maybe poor vision is also the side-effect of this protracted =
maturity.  either that or this maturity has imbued you with yet another =
ailment common to advancing age.  that ailment is arrogance.   that =
seems to be the only explanation for this;  as the common response that =
i have received from many but not all, has been one of arrogance and =
contempt that i would dare to question the godlike qualities of freebsd. =
 so let me make it personal.  there is no problem with my scsi card.  i =
have had three working operating system to prove it.  the problem is =
with the software (and it's developers) that freebsd uses.  now you may =
like to claim that linux is a developer system.  but the fact is, that =
those (infantile) developers seem to be doing a much (indisputably) =
better job of handling the developement of drivers than freebsd.

i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation; =
negating the very purpose for which i purchased the power-pak (as =
everything that is in the power-pak can be had on the net).  after =
installing the system from the net, it ran just long enough for me to =
try to install the XFREE86 4.0, which then made my system inoperable.  =
after that i was never able to get it to run again.  quite some time =
later after all of this, i tried to create bootdisks for the latest =
version of freebsd.  when i went to reboot my system with these new =
disks, the system said that there was no kernel on the floppies.  you =
make sense of it.  i created the disks using a commandline instruction =
within NT.  the first disks that i made were done with linux.  as i =
nolonger have a running linux system, i cannot revert to it to make the =
bootdisks for freebsd.  so either i have a freebsd installation system =
which runs from NT  without rebooting, or it's unusable.  i mean let's =
get real.  if linux can (and does) allow for it (linux) to be run on a =
windows (not NT) formatted disk, what the hell is the reason that =
freebsd can't do the same and better (as you so fraudulently claim).  =
and don't tell me how poor of a solution the UMSDOS is.  certainly if =
freebsd is so advanced, there is no excuse for there not being an even =
better system available from freebsd; and especially for NT.  since NT =
is the highend of the windows system, it only makes sense that freebsd =
should be directed towards providing REAL SOLUTIONS for NT.  i don't =
want to hear excuses.  I WANT RESULTS!

NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an =
integrated compressed filesystem.  with it, i have increased my storage =
space by no less than 35%.  if you had the same feature, i would have =
5GB's  of effective space instead of only 3.7GB's available for freebsd. =
 but at this point in time, i am not willing to install freebsd until =
the aforemention criteria are met.  if someone knows of a single package =
that i can install on my existing NT platform, that will allow for the =
seemless operation of unix programs as though they were native windows =
applications, i for one would like to hear about it.  i just went to the =
windows site and found something they call WINDOWS SERVICES FOR UNIX =
2.0.  i don't know how long it had been around or how good it is.  i =
found it by simply typing `windowsnt unix' into my browsers address bar =
to get a search on those keywords.
http://shop.microsoft.com/Products/Products_Feed/Online/WindowsServicesfo=
rUNIX[759]/ProductOverview.asp

quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for =
NT, i would probably never look back to linux or freebsd.  i have =
already found numerous unix components to run under windows.  and once i =
have learned how to use all of them, that will probably settle once and =
for all the question of which system to use. ATT and others make various =
products which allow for the running of unix programs in a windows =
environment.  i had some of them installed before i reinstalled NT and =
thereby erased those systems.  i am now deciding which ones to =
reinstall.

so the bottomline is this.  when i am able to install freebsd from a =
running windows nt system without the use of bootdisks (which supply the =
means to create and write to UFS, then and only then will i be willing =
to use freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly =
frustated with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional =
heterogenious operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and =
freebsd on the same computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS =
COMPRESSED).  if freebsd is not capable of being installed from a =
running NT-environment without having to be rebooted, that is an =
absolutely indisputable indicator that freebsd cannot operate cohesively =
within an NT-system. it's not up to microsoft to provide the means to =
read and write between NTFS and UFS without the question of damaging =
either system.  freebsd is the alien, not MS.  when freebsd generates =
the code that allows NT to write to UFS and UFS to write to NTFS =
COMPRESSED, then and only then will freebsd be a legitamate addition to =
my NT environment.  until then, it's just crap!

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800=20
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soundcard=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS">i have absolutely no idea how =
something=20
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my=20
adaptec aha152x scsi adaptor on my soundblaster 16 card.&nbsp; maybe =
it's too=20
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knew that=20
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of this=20
protracted maturity.&nbsp; either that or this maturity has imbued you =
with yet=20
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this;&nbsp; as=20
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one of=20
arrogance and contempt that i would dare to question the godlike =
qualities of=20
freebsd.&nbsp; so let me make it personal.&nbsp; there is no problem =
with my=20
scsi card.&nbsp; i have had three working operating system to prove =
it.&nbsp;=20
the problem is with the software (and it's developers)&nbsp;that freebsd =

uses.&nbsp; now you may like to claim that linux is a developer =
system.&nbsp;=20
but the fact is, that those (infantile)&nbsp;developers seem to be doing =
a much=20
(indisputably)&nbsp;better job of handling the developement of drivers =
than=20
freebsd.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>i =
was forced=20
to use the ftp server as my source of installation; negating the very =
purpose=20
for which i purchased the power-pak (as everything that is in the =
power-pak can=20
be had on the net).&nbsp; after installing the system from the =
net,&nbsp;it ran=20
just long enough for me to try to install the XFREE86 4.0, which then =
made my=20
system inoperable.&nbsp; after that i was never able to get it to run=20
again.&nbsp; quite some time later after all of this, i tried to create=20
bootdisks for the latest version of freebsd.&nbsp; when i went to reboot =
my=20
system with these new disks, the system said that there was no kernel on =
the=20
floppies.&nbsp; you make sense of it.&nbsp; i created the disks using a=20
commandline instruction within NT.&nbsp; the first disks that i made =
were done=20
with linux.&nbsp; as i nolonger have a running linux system, i cannot =
revert to=20
it to make the bootdisks for freebsd.&nbsp; so either i have a freebsd=20
installation&nbsp;system which runs from NT&nbsp; without rebooting, or =
it's=20
unusable.&nbsp; i mean let's get real.&nbsp; if linux can (and does) =
allow for=20
it (linux)&nbsp;to be run on a windows (not NT)&nbsp;formatted disk, =
what the=20
hell is the reason that freebsd can't do the same and better (as you so=20
fraudulently claim).&nbsp; and don't tell me how poor of a solution the =
UMSDOS=20
is.&nbsp; certainly if freebsd is so advanced, there is no excuse for =
there not=20
being an even better system available from freebsd; and especially for=20
NT.&nbsp;&nbsp;since NT is the highend of the windows system, it only =
makes=20
sense that freebsd should be directed towards providing REAL SOLUTIONS =
for=20
NT.&nbsp; i don't want to hear excuses.&nbsp; I WANT=20
RESULTS!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS">NT has something that the =
standard UFS=20
does not have.&nbsp; it has an integrated&nbsp;compressed =
filesystem.&nbsp; with=20
it, i have increased my storage space by no less than 35%.&nbsp; if you =
had the=20
same feature, i would have 5GB's&nbsp;&nbsp;of effective space instead =
of only=20
3.7GB's&nbsp;available for freebsd.&nbsp; but at this point in time, i =
am not=20
willing to install freebsd until the aforemention criteria are =
met.&nbsp; if=20
someone knows of a single package that i can install on my existing NT =
platform,=20
that will allow for the seemless operation of unix programs as though =
they were=20
native&nbsp;windows applications, i for one would like to hear about =
it.&nbsp; i=20
just went to the windows site and found something they call WINDOWS =
SERVICES FOR=20
UNIX 2.0.&nbsp; i don't know how long it had been around or how good it=20
is.&nbsp; i found it by simply typing `windowsnt unix' into my browsers =
address=20
bar to get a search on those keywords.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS"><A=20
href=3D"http://shop.microsoft.com/Products/Products_Feed/Online/WindowsSe=
rvicesforUNIX[759]/ProductOverview.asp">http://shop.microsoft.com/Product=
s/Products_Feed/Online/WindowsServicesforUNIX[759]/ProductOverview.asp</A=
></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS">quite frankly, if i find the =
means to=20
compile XFREE86-4.0 and&nbsp;gnome for NT, i would probably never look =
back to=20
linux or freebsd.&nbsp; i have already found numerous unix components to =
run=20
under windows.&nbsp; and once i have learned how to use all of them, =
that will=20
probably settle once and for all the question of which system to use. =
ATT and=20
others make various products which allow for the running of unix =
programs in a=20
windows environment.&nbsp; i had some of them installed before i =
reinstalled NT=20
and thereby erased those systems.&nbsp; i am now deciding which ones to=20
reinstall.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS"></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Trebuchet MS">so the bottomline is =
this.&nbsp; when i=20
am able to install freebsd from a running windows nt system without the =
use of=20
bootdisks (which supply the means to create =
and&nbsp;write&nbsp;to&nbsp;UFS,=20
then and only then will i be willing to use freebsd.&nbsp; i installed =
NT (six=20
days)&nbsp;after becoming thoughroughly frustated with freebsd.&nbsp; i =
need to=20
have a completely functional heterogenious operating environment.&nbsp; =
one=20
which runs windows nt and freebsd on the same computer (preferably with =
only one=20
filesystem; NTFS COMPRESSED).&nbsp; if freebsd is not capable of being =
installed=20
from a running NT-environment without having to be rebooted, that is an=20
absolutely indisputable indicator that freebsd cannot operate cohesively =
within=20
an NT-system. it's not up to microsoft to provide the means to read and=20
write&nbsp;between NTFS and&nbsp;UFS without the question of damaging =
either=20
system.&nbsp; freebsd is the alien, not MS.&nbsp; when freebsd generates =
the=20
code that allows NT to write to UFS and UFS to write to NTFS COMPRESSED, =
then=20
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environment.&nbsp; until then, it's just=20
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On November 29, 2000, Joe Oliveiro sent me the following:
> Will ipfw count ips not binded to the box?
> 
> > One of the tricks I've used to do this sort of thing in the past is to
> > setup and ipfw rule for each ip address you want to monitor. By using
> > ipfw count rules, you can get a count of the number of packets and
> > number of bytes matching each rule, then you just need a script to
> > check this from time to time and record it.

Yeah, they're counted as the packets flow through the router, so as
long as the traffic goes into the machine, it will be counted. Note:
Make sure you specify only one direction for the count, else you'll
get double the expected number (ipfw is applied once when packets come
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On 01-Dec-00 zhaifeng@chinadns.com wrote:
>     In most UNIX system,if I you use command 'top',I will see status of
> processes marked 'S','I','Z',and so on,these marks could be found in unix
> manual---man,but in FreeBSD,the process is marked
> 'sbwait','piperd','select',and so on,what do they mean?

For a process in SSLEEP, top(1) displays the name of the sleep channel it is
waiting on.  Process states such as RUN are in upper case.  Wait channels are
always in lower case so you can tell them apart.

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My, what a troll you are.  I'm surprised you even got Linux to run if you 
can't
make boot disks.  And what is this "running FreeBSD in NT" crap?  FreeBSD is 
an
operating system, you idiot, not an NT program.

> i have found the repeated claims of freebsd
> superiority to be a bunch of crap!

What claims would these be?  I am not familiar with the claim that FreeBSD is 
an
NT program.

> recognize the presense of my adaptec aha152x
> scsi adaptor on my soundblaster 16 card.

It's probably you.  The aha152x is old and has (probably) been supported for a
long time.

> ...arrogance and contempt that i would dare to
> question the godlike qualities of freebsd.

If you speak to these people like you speak in your mail, it's not the "daring
to question the god-like qualities of FreeBSD" that gets you contempt.

> i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation

No, you're just an idiot.

> XFREE86 4.0, which then made my system inoperable.

Not Mr. Hubbard's fault that you can't correctly type "make install"

> the system said that there was no kernel on the floppies.

Would these be the same disks I used to install FreeBSD several times?  Let me
guess, you put disk 2 in first.  Let's refresh: 1, 2, 3, 4...see how that 1
comes before 2?  Remember that.

> freebsd should be directed towards providing
> REAL SOLUTIONS for NT.

So...you think FreeBSD should go out of their way to become an NT application?
FreeBSD is an OPERATING SYSTEM, not an application!  And it certainly should 
NT
go out of its way to clone NT!

> I WANT RESULTS!

When I want results, what generally works best for me is to burst into a place
where the people never heard of me and proceed to tell them that their fucking
product sucks and to fix it just for me right now.  Nine times out of ten 
these
people bend over backwards just to satisfy me a little bit better.

> i am not willing to install freebsd until the
> aforemention criteria are met.

Good, FreeBSD doesn't need you.  Linux doesn't need you, either.

> quite frankly, if i find the means to compile
> XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for NT

Why on earth would you want GNOME or even X for NT?  Unless you're X hosting
Solaris Maple or something, that's like saying "I want a Chevy in my Ford!"

Your post is puzzling since you use some technical terms, such as compressed
filesystems and UMSDOS filesystems, but you have absolutely no concept of what
an operating system is or how to correctly make a floppy disk.  I think you 
made
this all up and had some spare time to waste.



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On 01-Dec-00 xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able to get it
> to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the power-pak 4.0
> so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted freebsd because i
> thought it would be the last system i would ever need to buy.)  i also wanted
> the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact of the matter is that the
> cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize my
> multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  which by the way, both
> versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows nt were able to use without
> any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the repeated claims of freebsd
> superiority to be a bunch of crap!

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.  Unfortunately, drivers for
rather ancient hardware (I have the same SB16 multi-CD card in my workstation
at home) do not magically arrive out of thin air, and one has yet to be written
for FreeBSD.  There are only so many developers, and we tend to work on things
that affect our day-to-day work.  Most people do not have a SB16 multi-CD card,
apparently including most developers, hence the lack of a driver.  As for NTFS
and other issues, again it comes down to people with the skill having the time
and desire to work on that area.  Also, one can't write a perfect file system
driver for NTFS if one can't get documentation on how it works. :)  You will
have to use whatever software suits your needs.  No operating system is the
end-all be-all of operating systems.  Different tasks are performed better by
different OS's.  As far as FreeBSD being an alien and NT not being one, I beg
to differ. :)  They are both OS's which run on computers.  Each one is an
interface to the hardware of a computer.  Hardware doesn't work "better" with
some software than others.  Some software has bugs that cause it to mishandle
the hardware, and some software just doesn't know how to handle certain
hardware, but it isn't a matter of the hardware preferring certain software.

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* xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> [001130 19:51] wrote:
> i have found the repeated claims of freebsd superiority to
> be a bunch of crap!

That's ok, we don't really need you as a user as long as you
continue to be an abusive putz.

best of luck turning NT into UNIX. :)

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Robert Kosinski wrote:

>I think you made this all up and had some spare time to waste.

Yeah, but I'd sure like to have all the time you spent composing your
detailed reply, RK.  Oh, wait, I DO have the time ... I read the whole
thing!  I think I see how trolls work now ...  =)  *snort*

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Ok, I'm nearly sorry I asked.  I was going to tally the results and
post them, but since I was rushed and lacking sleep, I'm not sure I
read them all correctly.  To ensure the legitimacy of the outcome,
I'll need to do a full recount.  I'll have my lawyers contact your
lawyers, and will try to certify the results sometime in April.  I
promise not to leave any hanging chads.

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Chris Hill wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote:
>
>> Brian Beattie wrote:
>> > 
>> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
>> > 
>> > > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
>> > > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
>> > 
>> > twiddle
>> 
>> A twiddle is the little spinning ascii icon {/-\|/-...}, like the one
>> that the boot loader uses. At least I think its the boot loader,
>> haven't had to reboot in a while. :) 
>
>I have. About three weeks ago (actually 23 days, 20:23) I was reading
>something online (perhaps this very list), crossed my legs, and
>accidentally hit the power switch with my toe.  Retard. Yes, I've moved
>the CPU to a new spot. 
>
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I hope you enjoyed writing your troll. I only wish you had been mature
enough to post it to the correct list, or not to post it at all. This
is QUESTIONS@freebsd.org. You didn't ask any. Since your message was
nothing but opinion and ranting, it should have gone to
ADVOCACY@freebsd.org.

If you don't like FreeBSD because it won't do what you want, either
don't use, or fix it. If you don't have the expertise to fix it,
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Jim Durham <durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> types:
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, David Banning wrote:
> Interesting! I have been wondering about dynamic dns. What do
> they do about caching name servers? I find that changing the
> DNS entry takes a couple days to propagate..

All real dns servers cache. But the length of time they can cache an
entry is controled by the people who control the servers for that
domain. Servers for dynamic versions set that time to *very* short, so
the changes propagate quickly. The downside is that their servers get
pounded for updates.

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Mike Meyer worked magic with the keyboard on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:28:26PM -0600:
> shashi <shashi@Shift-F1.com> types:
> > Hi all,
> > I have never had this problem before so am not sure how to handle this.
> > I added a new hard disk to my computer (4th SCSI disk) which already had
> > 3.4-stable. everything was fine. I could mount the CDROM.
> > 
> > then i said,let me install 4.0 from the DCROM.
> 
> You didn't mention any IDE devices, so I'm going to assume you don't
> have any.

	That is right, all disks and CDROM are SCSI.

> Question 1: Have you ever booted off that CDROM drive? Are you sure it
> can be done at all?

	Yes, that is how I installed the FreeBSD 3x earlier.

> Question 2: What are your SCSI settings? On my SCSI system, it goes
> "Boot, option to do BIOS setup. Probe SCSI card, option to do SCSI
> setup. Etc." The SCSI settings have to tag the CDROM drive as
> bootable. Further, the BIOS settings for this are "Boot from SCSI",
> whether I'm booting from the disk or CDROM on the SCSI chain.
	
	I have Adaptec AHA 2940 Ultra/Ultra W
	When I go in the SCSI setup by pressing Ctlr-A, I can see all the SCSI
	disks and CDROM in the SCSI Utilities.
	In the Configure/View Devices, it does not let me change anything. The
	"Boot Device Option" lists ID 5 as Bootable but there is no device on
	that ID and it doesn't let me change it.
	Under "advanced Settings", I have "Plug and Play SCAM" = Disabled
	"Support Removable Disks under BIOS" = "Boot Only"
	"BIOS support for Bootable CD" = "Enabled"

	I checked the connection inside, the CD is connected. I was able to
	mount the CD when the 3.4 was working.

	I was able to boot a Windows 2000 CD though!! So that is even more
	amazing. I was not able to boot a 4.0 or 3.2 FreeBSD CD. It is just
	getting more and more confusing :-(

TIA,
Shashi


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to enable the mailwrapper:

cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail
make enable-qmail

note that an installworld replaces sendmail again ...

On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Peter Lai wrote:

> Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:34:24 -0500
> From: Peter Lai <PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu>
> To: 'James Raftery ' <jraftery@wrdp.com>,
>      'brian william wolter ' <bwolter@linux.thesadmachine.org>
> Cc: "'questions@freebsd.org '" <questions@freebsd.org>
> Subject: RE: qmail over sendmail
> 
>  there should be a softlink from /usr/sbin/sendmail ->
> /var/qmail/bin/sendmail 
> 
> (this is assuming you are installing from ports, which is usually the best
> way to do it).
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Raftery
> To: brian william wolter
> Cc: questions@freebsd.org
> Sent: 11/30/2000 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: qmail over sendmail
> 
> > as a note... don't delete all the sendmail files as qmail uses some of
> the
> > sendmail libraries for sending.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> qmail has no dependance on any sendmail files. qmail runs without any
> problems on machines that have never had sendmail installed.
> However, applications use /usr/sbin/sendmail to locally inject mail.
> That should be a softlink to qmail's sendmail impersonator. Or you can
> use mailwrapper instead.
> 
> Regards
> 
> james
> 
> 
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Hello,
	I have a large file that was split up by a program called
"Mastersplitter" (www.tomasoft.com). Of course, its only for the Windows
and emulation doesnt work in WINE. Is there anyway I can regroup the files
w/o Mastersplitter? To my understanding its binary-ly split. So I would
assume another program could rejoin them?

Any assistance is welcomed.
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Today I started tracking FreeBSD-STABLE (from 4.0-RELEASE). After it was
all said an done, my sendmail 8.10.1 installation was trashed,
despite having the NO_SENDMAIL flag set to "true" in /etc/make.conf.

After telnetting to freebsd.org 25 and seeing that freebsd.org ran
Postfix (as well as my service provider, and several other sites I
respect), I installed Postfix from the ports collection. An hour later,
I now have a sendmail-free system. And I didn't even have to 'compile' a
.cf file.

My question is: how can I prevent "make world" from trashing my Postfix
installation in the future? I needed to make some symlinks from
/usr/sbin/sendmail --> /usr/local/sbin/sendmail, etc.

Why doesn't the standard FreeBSD distribution come with Postfix
(very easy to configure, doesn't run as root) instead of Sendmail?

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Hi there,

        You could prevent make world from making ur sendmail files in
/etc/defaults/make.conf

I hope this helps

Regards,
James Lim

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> Today I started tracking FreeBSD-STABLE (from 4.0-RELEASE). After it was
> all said an done, my sendmail 8.10.1 installation was trashed,
> despite having the NO_SENDMAIL flag set to "true" in /etc/make.conf.
>
> After telnetting to freebsd.org 25 and seeing that freebsd.org ran
> Postfix (as well as my service provider, and several other sites I
> respect), I installed Postfix from the ports collection. An hour later,
> I now have a sendmail-free system. And I didn't even have to 'compile' a
> .cf file.
>
> My question is: how can I prevent "make world" from trashing my Postfix
> installation in the future? I needed to make some symlinks from
> /usr/sbin/sendmail --> /usr/local/sbin/sendmail, etc.
>
> Why doesn't the standard FreeBSD distribution come with Postfix
> (very easy to configure, doesn't run as root) instead of Sendmail?
>
> ----
> Christopher Farley
> Northern Brewer / 1150 Grand Avenue / St. Paul, MN 55105
> www.northernbrewer.com
>
>
>
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Thus spake Mike <nikonbum@tampabay.rr.com>:
> Im new to FreeBSD. I did a full install and got it all up and running but when I run startx i get 
> 
> execve failed for /usr/X11R6/bin/X (errno 2)
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
> _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 2
> giving up.
> xinit: no such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server
> xinit: no such process (errno 3):  Server error.
> 
> How do i fix this??

My guess is the /usr/X11R6/bin/X symbolic link doesn't exist.  Did you run
XF86Config first?

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Thus spake Aaron <click46@webpimps.net>:
> Hello,
> 	I have a large file that was split up by a program called
> "Mastersplitter" (www.tomasoft.com). Of course, its only for the Windows
> and emulation doesnt work in WINE. Is there anyway I can regroup the files
> w/o Mastersplitter? To my understanding its binary-ly split. So I would
> assume another program could rejoin them?
> 
> Any assistance is welcomed.
> - click

cat(1) should be able to do this okay.  For starters:

	cat file1 file2 ... filen > merged_file

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hi, im the proud owner of a Promise UDMA66 card which i read here:
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become a very cheap IDE raid device. i was just wondering if any one had
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:49:02AM +0200, Stefan Lesicnik wrote:
> 
> Yup, it wont create the file.  Someone also mentioned touching the
> file. This will work, although you wont have the correct permissions on
> the file. 
> 
> For me, i just echo "" > /var/log/logfile

 $ touch /var/log/logfile

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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:35:21PM -0000, danh@gelatinous.com wrote:

[snip]

> so, anyway what I would like to do is create a floppy disk
> that will boot from a freebsd kernel sitting on the first
> slice of the master IDE hard drive, nothing complicated,
> I read how to create a floppy in /etc/disktab and read
> the man pages on boot and ran disklabel but I must be
> doing something wrong.

I have found the easiest method to be to start with the kern.flp
image rather than worry about formating, newfs'ing, and
disklabel'ing. After the floppy is made, I nuke the kernel.gz and add
a boot.config file.

My machine boots fine, but I always keep my Tripwire floppy in the
drive and so I've made it bootable by building it from kern.flp

  $ ls -l /twfloppy
  total 807
  drwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel     512 Aug  8 00:41 boot
  -rw-r-----  1 root  wheel      24 Aug  8 00:39 boot.config
  -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  274836 Dec 21  1999 tripwire
  -rw-r-----  1 root  wheel    5267 Jan 23  2000 tw.config
  -rw-r-----  1 root  wheel  530402 Nov 23 03:25 tw.db_cjc-desktop.reflexcom.com.gz
  $ cat /twfloppy/boot.config 
  1:ad(1,1,a)/boot/loader

Oh, yeah. I also do boot from the second HDD and this makes that easy
too.
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 03:13:38PM -0800, Bob Cazzell wrote:
> I have an Intel L440GX+ server board with an onboard Pro100+ ethernet
> (82559) NIC. The hardware compatibility list it lists the Pro100B but not
> this one. does anyone know if it's compatible?

Mine's a 82559,

  fxp0: <Intel Pro 10/100B/100+ Ethernet> port 0x10a0-0x10bf mem 0xf4000000-0xf40fffff,0xf4121000-0xf4121fff irq 3 at device 13.0 on pci0

The fxp0 driver is one of the most relaible and seems to handle all
PCI EtherExpress Pro's without a problem. You should be fine.
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hi Ruslan,

I tried using ipfilter/ipnat in place of ipfw/natd and got much better
performance: ~40% idle cycles during a 4mbps netperf test (as opposed to
~0% idle cycles with natd). Got similar results under a NAT'd download.

So, for the record, (at least on 486s) ipfilter/ipnat appears to be almost
twice as fast as ipfw/natd.

thanks for the tip,
- jeev


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> On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 05:20:01PM -0600, sanjeev singh wrote:
> > 
> >  Hello,
> > 
> >  I recently set up an ipfw+natd machine (FreeBSD 3.5.1R) for sharing my =
> >  cable connection.  Unfortunately, natd appears to be limiting the =
> >  maximum bandwidth available!
> > 
> This is because natd(8) is a userspace solution, and every packet is copied
> twice, first from kernel space to user space, and then back from user space
> to kernel space.
> 
> >  Using netperf, I have established that I can get up to just under 4mbps =
> >  with natd enabled, and 4.3mbps with it disabled.  This might not look =
> >  like a big deal, except that in the former case, my CPU is fully loaded =
> >  whereas in the latter it's only at 50%!
> > 
> >  Also, when testing high speed downloads (from netscape.com), I get the =
> >  following results:
> >  Download speed: ~350+KB/s
> >  CPU States: 50-60% system, ~35% interrupt and <10% idle
> >  natd takes up 80% of WCPU and CPU
> > 
> >  My firewall machine is a 486/66 (32MB Ram) with an NE2K and a Dec DE =
> >  201.  Are these results in the ballpark or could I have configured =
> >  something wrong?
> > 
> >  If these results are in the ballpark, what can I do to improve the =
> >  situation (short of upgrading my firewall machine)?  Is there a more =
> >  CPU-efficient version of natd available?  Should I try ipfilter/ipnat?
> > 
> You decide :-)
> 
> -- 
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why is it so difficult to use the linux driver as the starting point for
freebsd?  two different versions of linux (suse and mandrake) that i have
used work just fine (as would undoubtedly all the others as well).  if
freebsd is so adept at using linux components, why is it so difficult to
port all of the linux drivers to freebsd?  heaven forbid, is this an
admitted shortcoming?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Baldwin" <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
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>
> On 01-Dec-00 xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> > i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able to
get it
> > to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the power-pak
4.0
> > so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted freebsd because i
> > thought it would be the last system i would ever need to buy.)  i also
wanted
> > the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact of the matter is that
the
> > cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize my
> > multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  which by the way, both
> > versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows nt were able to use
without
> > any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the repeated claims of freebsd
> > superiority to be a bunch of crap!
>
> Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.  Unfortunately, drivers
for
> rather ancient hardware (I have the same SB16 multi-CD card in my
workstation
> at home) do not magically arrive out of thin air, and one has yet to be
written
> for FreeBSD.  There are only so many developers, and we tend to work on
things
> that affect our day-to-day work.  Most people do not have a SB16 multi-CD
card,
> apparently including most developers, hence the lack of a driver.  As for
NTFS
> and other issues, again it comes down to people with the skill having the
time
> and desire to work on that area.  Also, one can't write a perfect file
system
> driver for NTFS if one can't get documentation on how it works. :)  You
will
> have to use whatever software suits your needs.  No operating system is
the
> end-all be-all of operating systems.  Different tasks are performed better
by
> different OS's.  As far as FreeBSD being an alien and NT not being one, I
beg
> to differ. :)  They are both OS's which run on computers.  Each one is an
> interface to the hardware of a computer.  Hardware doesn't work "better"
with
> some software than others.  Some software has bugs that cause it to
mishandle
> the hardware, and some software just doesn't know how to handle certain
> hardware, but it isn't a matter of the hardware preferring certain
software.
>
> --
>
> John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/
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Robert Kosinski wrote:

<snipped_in_humor>

> Why on earth would you want GNOME or even X for NT?  Unless you're X hosting
> Solaris Maple or something, that's like saying "I want a Chevy in my Ford!"

</snipped_in_humor>

I beg to differ, if one gets stuck with a loser brand vehicle, one may
want to put a "real" engine in it !! 

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Is there anyway to increase the FreeBSD default stack size from 64MB ?
THanks!

-Crh

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> Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> > On Thursday 30 November 2000 04:18, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > Gary <medmanks@mindspring.com> types:
> > > > >> Occasionally, I have accidentally hit cntrl-Z when trying to hit
> > > > >> cntrl-C. Cntrl-Z suspends whatever process I was running and returns
> > > > >> me to the command prompt.  How can I resume the suspended process?
> > > > Can also type %(name of program) to bring it back (at least in Linux)
> > > This is a feature of the shell, not the OS. Bash, csh and FreeBSD's
> > > /bin/csh all support it.
> > Mmm, well it does require OS support to work, to be accurate...
> 
> Well, suspend/resume requires OS support. But whether any shell
> supports the "%(name of program)" feature for doing a resume is a
> shell feature; the OS has nothing to do with that. And if the OS
> doesn't do suspend/resume, the the problem with C-Z that started the
> thread would never happen :-).
> 
> 
touche ! .. ok .. everyone got it now :)

(smarty pants !)

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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:01:23AM -0600, sanjeev singh wrote:
> hi Ruslan,
> 
> I tried using ipfilter/ipnat in place of ipfw/natd and got much better
> performance: ~40% idle cycles during a 4mbps netperf test (as opposed to
> ~0% idle cycles with natd). Got similar results under a NAT'd download.
> 
> So, for the record, (at least on 486s) ipfilter/ipnat appears to be almost
> twice as fast as ipfw/natd.
> 
The primary reason is that natd(8) is a userland solution (as opposed to
the ipnat), and every packet gets copied between userland and the kernel
address space twice.

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Probably, you have seen this question but it can be answered and everybody
tells me to ask here.

Hello!

After installing FreeBSD 4.0., I try to boot from
the hard disk, but the boot manager prompt prints:
Loading FreeBSD
L?

at the boot menu. What can I do?

I have Lilo boot manager installed. After printing "Loading FreeBSD L?",
the system is dead, I mean, keyboard doesn´t work and the system is not
loaded.
I have thought that it can be the geometry of the hard disk, but I have
changed putting the same as in BIOS and also no works.

Thank you. Regards.

Ana




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I'd like to know how to forward ports across a NAT firewall.

i.e. my.external.ip.address port 80 -> 10.0.0.2 port 80

I am using FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE with ipfw and NAT.

I have seen this done before on a Linux machine (i believe)...
Is it possible with FreeBSD?  And if so, what are the commands?

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After installing (twice!) 4.2-RELEASE, I could not
get the commands "passwd" or "chsh" to work. They
simply "freeze", until interrupted with CTL-C.

Am I missing something, or those commands are broken?

Thanks for any help,
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* Charles Henrich <henrich@sigbus.com> [001130 23:39] wrote:
> Is there anyway to increase the FreeBSD default stack size from 64MB ?
> THanks!

Documented in LINT/NOTES kernel config files and login.conf(5)
manpages.

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> >I'd like to know how to forward ports across a NAT firewall.
> >i.e. my.external.ip.address port 80 -> 10.0.0.2 port 80
> >I am using FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE with ipfw and NAT.
> 
> Try this in ipnat conf file:
> 
> rdr <ext. interface> xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx port 80 -> 10.0.0.2 port 80
> tcp/udp
> 
> >I have seen this done before on a Linux machine (i believe)...
> >Is it possible with FreeBSD?  And if so, what are the commands?
> 
> Look above and see the light.
> 
> >Thanks!
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I'm FreeBSD newbie.
 In linux I can set (in /etc/rc.d/rc.local)

ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0:1
ipfwadm -F -p deny
ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.1/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.2/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.3/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.4/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0

for one network card (2 IPs - one for private ip and one for public ip)
and run squid for my network cache proxy. (On this linux box act as web server database server and proxy server). How can I set FreeBSD(3.4)
for this purpose and what files related for this job.? (I want to make FBSD box instead old linux) . Please  advise me for to make this?

Thanks
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Hi all..

 Had a question.. set up is like this:

FreeBSD Gateway serving internet (NAT+ipfw) to two internal boxes. One
FreeBSD, the other Win98.. there are two printers (LPT1 = Brother HL-1020,
LPT2 = Compaq IJ300) on the Win98 box.

I want to print to these printers from my FreeBSD boxes.. the problem is
there aren't any drivers for these printers for *BSD or *nix (that I can
find).. 

Is there anyway that the BSD boxes can connect to the Win98 box and use
its native Win98 drivers to print? Or is there some other method?

Thanks in advance,

RSN



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 1. drivers and other software that access critical hardware components
would seriously be bloated and suffer the phenomenon called bitrot, if
someone were to take the linux driver and port it to freebsd. drivers work
best when they are written from scratch.

2. fbsd claims linux BINARY compatbility, which means that it can run linux
programs like freeciv and staroffice, etc. It doesn't mean it can just use
linux drivers. Fbsd claims System V binary compatibility too as well as SCO
binary compatibility, that doesn't mean i can just take my IRIX video card
driver, stick it in a freebsd kernel and have it work.

-----Original Message-----
From: xavian anderson macpherson
To: John Baldwin; questions@freebsd.org
Sent: 12/1/2000 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks

why is it so difficult to use the linux driver as the starting point for
freebsd?  two different versions of linux (suse and mandrake) that i
have
used work just fine (as would undoubtedly all the others as well).  if
freebsd is so adept at using linux components, why is it so difficult to
port all of the linux drivers to freebsd?  heaven forbid, is this an
admitted shortcoming?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Baldwin" <jhb@FreeBSD.org>
To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:29 PM
Subject: RE: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks


>
> On 01-Dec-00 xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> > i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able
to
get it
> > to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the
power-pak
4.0
> > so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted freebsd
because i
> > thought it would be the last system i would ever need to buy.)  i
also
wanted
> > the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact of the matter is
that
the
> > cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize my
> > multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  which by the way,
both
> > versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows nt were able to
use
without
> > any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the repeated claims of
freebsd
> > superiority to be a bunch of crap!
>
> Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinions.  Unfortunately,
drivers
for
> rather ancient hardware (I have the same SB16 multi-CD card in my
workstation
> at home) do not magically arrive out of thin air, and one has yet to
be
written
> for FreeBSD.  There are only so many developers, and we tend to work
on
things
> that affect our day-to-day work.  Most people do not have a SB16
multi-CD
card,
> apparently including most developers, hence the lack of a driver.  As
for
NTFS
> and other issues, again it comes down to people with the skill having
the
time
> and desire to work on that area.  Also, one can't write a perfect file
system
> driver for NTFS if one can't get documentation on how it works. :)
You
will
> have to use whatever software suits your needs.  No operating system
is
the
> end-all be-all of operating systems.  Different tasks are performed
better
by
> different OS's.  As far as FreeBSD being an alien and NT not being
one, I
beg
> to differ. :)  They are both OS's which run on computers.  Each one is
an
> interface to the hardware of a computer.  Hardware doesn't work
"better"
with
> some software than others.  Some software has bugs that cause it to
mishandle
> the hardware, and some software just doesn't know how to handle
certain
> hardware, but it isn't a matter of the hardware preferring certain
software.
>
> --
>
> John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.org> -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/
> PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc
> "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!"  -  http://www.FreeBSD.org/



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 you can set up samba and use the smbprint utility

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 12/1/2000 4:17 AM
Subject: Printing to Win w/o drivers


Hi all..

 Had a question.. set up is like this:

FreeBSD Gateway serving internet (NAT+ipfw) to two internal boxes. One
FreeBSD, the other Win98.. there are two printers (LPT1 = Brother
HL-1020,
LPT2 = Compaq IJ300) on the Win98 box.

I want to print to these printers from my FreeBSD boxes.. the problem is
there aren't any drivers for these printers for *BSD or *nix (that I can
find).. 

Is there anyway that the BSD boxes can connect to the Win98 box and use
its native Win98 drivers to print? Or is there some other method?

Thanks in advance,

RSN



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Hi there!

Im prepairing to my final exams on Uni. My examination task is security in Unix/Unix Like OS. My question is where should i look for materials about built in security solutions in FreeBSD and about ways to improve it. I will have to write some kind of scanner to check the security of such system.
Would you please suggest some online texts about this?

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Try www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd as well as
http://www.freebsddiary.org and of course the FAQ's and documentation on
www.freebsd.org.

On Nov 30, Jon enlightened us with the following:

> Could anyone direct me towards any good webpages which provide extra
> tutorials/walkthroughs for FreeBSD?  Besides such sites as FreeBSD.org
> and FreeBSDdiary.org.  These sites provide plenty of info, but any
> additional resources would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance
> 
> -Jon
> 
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Hi all,

I'm trying to upgrade a 4.1-STABLE server to 4.2 and I keep getting the
following:

make: illegal (null) argument.
*** Error code 2

The last one was in /usr/src/share/doc/usd but it seems to happen at various
different points during the build.

I tried deleting /usr/src and did another cvsup with the same results.

What now?

TIA,

    Jonathan



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Hi all,

Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
bytes, 
and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
an 
argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.

Is there any way to remove it by using the inode number??  It's not a huge
problem, but it is annoying that I can't figure out how to do it!

TIA for any insights/solutions.

Dan Bye
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* Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> Hi all,
> 
> Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> bytes, 
> and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
> an 
> argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
rm -- -help

or rm -i ?help


> 
> Is there any way to remove it by using the inode number??  It's not a huge
> problem, but it is annoying that I can't figure out how to do it!
> 
> TIA for any insights/solutions.
> 
> Dan Bye
> _______________________________
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> FM Server Support Engineer
> Internet House
> 332 Science Park
> Milton Road
> Cambridge
> CB4 0BZ
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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Ah, it's so SIMPLE when you know how...  Thanks, Larry!

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* Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> Hi all,
> 
> Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a

> file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> bytes, 
> and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name
as
> an 
> argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
rm -- -help

or rm -i ?help


> 
> Is there any way to remove it by using the inode number??  It's not a huge
> problem, but it is annoying that I can't figure out how to do it!
> 
> TIA for any insights/solutions.
> 
> Dan Bye
> _______________________________
> UUNET UK
> FM Server Support Engineer
> Internet House
> 332 Science Park
> Milton Road
> Cambridge
> CB4 0BZ
> 
> Tel:  01223 250 122
> E-mail:  servers@support.uk.uu.net
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Hi all!

Some time ago I used a nifty small tool called "redir"
to redirect incoming request on machine A at port X
to machine B at port Y (at the other side of the world).
I currently in the same situation and need the redirect
somestuff to another machine on another port although
I can't find my redirect tool :-(
Does anyone of you have that tool or is there another
solution ?

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man ipf and ipfw. choose the one that suits your needs and go from
there.
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}
}
}I'm FreeBSD newbie.
} In linux I can set (in /etc/rc.d/rc.local)
}
}ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
}route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0:1
}ipfwadm -F -p deny
}ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.1/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
}ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.2/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
}ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.3/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
}ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.4/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
}
}for one network card (2 IPs - one for private ip and one for
}public ip)
}and run squid for my network cache proxy. (On this linux box
}act as web server database server and proxy server). How can
}I set FreeBSD(3.4)
}for this purpose and what files related for this job.? (I
}want to make FBSD box instead old linux) . Please  advise me
}for to make this?
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Jon wrote:

> Could anyone direct me towards any good webpages which provide extra
> tutorials/walkthroughs for FreeBSD?  Besides such sites as FreeBSD.org
> and FreeBSDdiary.org.  These sites provide plenty of info, but any
> additional resources would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance


There's some good newbie stuff here:

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/FreeBSD_Basics

Cheers,

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from www.freebsd.org goto ftp site near you from their

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From: Drew Tomlinson <drewt@writeme.com>
Subject: How to Configure PPPoE (Was RE: How to Setup DSL)
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I've looked into this some more and I think I have the modem configured
correctly.  What I am not sure of is PPP.  When I try to connect
(ppp -background) to the Ethernet port on the modem via PPPoE, I get the
following in my log:

Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: Phase: Using interface: tun0
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set mru 1492
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set mtu 1492
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set authname
******
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set authkey
*******
*
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set dial
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set login
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: set ifaddr
192.168.
157.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: add default
HISADDR

Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Warning: Add route failed:
default al
ready exists
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: enable dns
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: default: nat enable yes
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: papchap: set authname
******
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Command: papchap: set authkey
*******
*
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (background
mode).

Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected!
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Chat: deflink: Dial attempt 1 of
1
Nov 29 21:52:00 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected!
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> hangup
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 5
secs:
 0 octets in, 0 octets out
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: : 0 packets in, 0
pac
kets out
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase:  total 0 bytes/sec, peak 0
byt
es/sec on Wed Nov 29 21:52:05 2000
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> closed
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Phase: PPP Terminated (normal).
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[368]: tun0: Chat: Parent notified of failure
Nov 29 21:52:05 blacksheep ppp[367]: tun0: Phase: Parent: Child failed
(errdead)

This leads me to believe that PPP is actually trying to dial a modem and
that I don't have something set correctly.  Is this true?  What I want to do
is connect to my ISP, pass my login credentials, and receive a dynamic
address from them.  The contents of my ppp.conf file are in my original
message below.

Thanks for your help!

Drew

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Tomlinson [mailto:drewt@writeme.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:59 AM
> To: FreeBSD Questions (E-mail)
> Subject: How to Setup DSL
>
>
> I've read the info in the handbook, Greg's book,
> mostgraveconcern, the ppp
> man page, and searched the email archives but have not found
> anything to get
> my setup working.  I have a 3Com Dual Link External ADSL
> modem attached to a
> NIC (ed1) in my FreeBSD box.  If I understand correctly, I
> need to make a
> PPPoE connection from ed1 to the DSL modem and I have
> attempted to do that.
> At the bottom of this email is my /etc/ppp/ppp.conf and a
> snip from my log
> when running ppp -background from the command line.
>
> The software that came with the modem is for Windows
> environment.  To verify
> that the modem and line is working, I connected the modem to my laptop
> runnning Win2K and installed the software.  From this
> exercise, I learned
> that the modem is connected to my ISP via PPP over ATM.  I
> also had to set
> something called the "Virtual Path Identifier" (VPI) and
> "Virtual Channel
> Identifier" (VCI) to 0 and 35.  Is this something that needs to be set
> somewhere in my ppp.conf file?
>
> Then there is a "dialer" program from 3Com that works much
> like Dial-Up
> networking in Windows where I have to set my login and
> password to establish
> a connection.  (I don't understand why this step is necessary
> since the
> connection is hardwired to my home but that's another
> subject).  What seems
> to happen is that the NIC connected to the modem receives a private IP
> address from the modem (192.168.157.x) and the dial-up
> software shows the
> real IP address assigned from my ISP.  Anyway, everything
> works fine from
> the windows environment and now I would like to attach the
> modem to my FBSD
> box and get things working there.
>
> My goal is to be setup as follows:
>
> 		3Com Dual Link
> 	   External ADSL Modem
> 			|
> 			|
> 			|
> 	   ed1 NIC in FBSD Box
> 			|
> 			| FBSD box is gateway/router/proxy/etc.
> 			|
> 	   ed0 NIC in FSBD Box
> 			|
> 			| My home network
> 			|
> |------------------------------------|
>        |				|
> 	 |				|
>      Win2K			    Win2K
>
> I would appreciate any help you could give me in reaching my
> ultimate goal.
> I am willing to continue reading if there are any other
> resources you think
> might be of help.  I am new to both Unix and FBSD so I may
> have overlooked
> something really simple.
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Drew
>
> Here's my ppp.conf:
> default:
>
>   set device PPPoE:ed1
>   set log Phase Chat LCP IPCP CCP tun command
>   set mru 1492
>   set mtu 1492
>   set authname ******	#My real info has been replaced by *s
>   set authkey ******
>   set dial
>   set login
>   set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
>   add default HISADDR
>   enable dns
>   nat enable yes # if you want to enable nat for your local net
>
> papchap:
>   set authname ******
>   set authkey ******
>
> And here's a snip of my log:
>
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2920]: tun0: Command: default:
> enable dns
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2920]: tun0: Command: default:
> nat enable yes
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: PPP
> Started (background
> mode)
> .
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed ->
> opening
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected!
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
> opening -> dial
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Chat: deflink:
> Dial attempt 1 of
> 1
> Nov 29 11:16:00 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
> dial -> carrier
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
> Disconnected!
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier ->
> hangup
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
> Connect time: 5
> secs
> : 0 octets in, 0 octets out
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink: :
> 0 packets in,
> 0 pa
> ckets out
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase:  total 0
> bytes/sec, peak
> 0 by
> tes/sec on Wed Nov 29 11:16:05 2000
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: deflink:
> hangup -> closed
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Dead
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Phase: PPP
> Terminated (normal).
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2921]: tun0: Chat: Parent
> notified of failure
> Nov 29 11:16:05 blacksheep ppp[2920]: tun0: Phase: Parent:
> Child failed
> (errdead
> )
>
>
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On Nov 30, xavian anderson macpherson enlightened us with the following:

> i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet...
<big snip>
You don't mention if you read the 800-page handbook...
> 
> i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation;
<big snip>
Why would you want to run an OS on another OS?  Also, why would FreeBSD
want to provide "REAL SOLUTIONS for NT"?  I've installed and ran NT at
work for the past eight years and have only used FBSD for about 8
months.  Give me a FBSD machine over winblows any day.  (And this coming
from an MCSE+I)
> 
> NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an integrated 
<big snip>
Have you looked at Exceed by Hummingbird Communications?  And you
obviously did not read the info on Windows NT Services for Unix.  And I
quote:
"The Microsoft Windows NT Services for UNIX Add-On Pack provides access to
core interoperability components in an integrated, fully supported
package. Benefits include lower deployment costs, improved support for
mixed environments, and the most complete integration with current and
future Windows NT-based technologies and initiatives."  Bottom line...it's
a SERVICE that runs on NT to connect to a Unix machine.
> 
> quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for NT,
<big snip>
XFree and Gnome running on NT?  <gasp!!!>  What unix component run under
windoze?  I haven't seen any yet that provide the same functionality as on
a FreeBSD machine.
> 
<small snip>
>to use freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly 
>frustated with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional
>heterogenious operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and freebsd
>on the same computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS
>COMPRESSED). 
I'm curious...how did it take you SIX DAYS to install NT?  If it takes
that long to install something that an monkey can be trained to do, why
were you trying to install an OPERATING SYSTEM that requires one to know
the specifics of their system on top of another operating system that will
do a mindless install of it's own?

Each OS has it's own particular strengths and weaknesses.  But as I become
more and more familiar with FreeBSD, Windows is quickly taking a back
seat.  If you have questions, ask them.  There are people here who are
very good at providing solutions.  But not when you rant and rave.




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Is the Adaptec 19160 SCSI adapter supported in the Freebsd version 4.2?

Thanks in advance.
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Dear sir,

     I'm a keen ppp programmer.
     My recently goal is to program a PPPoE(PPP over ethernet,RFC2516) 
     Client on Windows.
     I meet problem now:

     (1)Does Windows has a same thing like UNIX PPPD(as client),using to
        communction with remote PPPD(as server)?
     
     (2)Certainly,I cannot use RasDial function,It seems to communication
        with remote RAS server(Only a Windows NT PPP server).But I will
        talk with a UNIX(linux or solaris) ppp server.

     (3)On Unix,local PPPD's output(stdout) can be a program's input(stdin),
        (vice versa). So the program can catch PPPD's PPP packet,then
        encapsulate this packet in a new form and send to ppp server by a 
        special method, the PPPoE Ethernet Frame via ethernet network.
        Can I access my windows PPPd's stdout and stdin?


     Will you please save time to help me?
     Thank you!


     Best regards,
     Jiang XiaoBing
     yh@mail.huptt.zj.cn





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Hi,

I've setup a FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE box to connect a network to the internet
with natd and ipfw firewall.
I've also setup the FreeBSD box to let teleworkers log in with FTP and
telnet.

Now I would like to log FTP and telnet Log-in's from teleworkers who connect
to the machine from the internet.
I woul like to see the time and IP numer from which users Log-in.

I have looked at the /var/log/messages file but this only shows SU Login's.

All help is greatly appriciated!

Luke




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Hi Christopher,

>         You could prevent make world from making your sendmail files in
> /etc/defaults/make.conf

Don´t know, how much of the documentation you already read. What James
suggested has to be done as:

Copy the relevant lines from /etc/defaults/make.conf to /etc/make.conf and
change the value THERE. Never touch any files in /etc/default as they could
be overwritten during your next upgrade (and for some other reasons). Always
copy the lines to their /etc counterparts and change the values there.

Ciao
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Greetings,
I am running :

FreeBSD proxy 4.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #0:
Mon Mar 20 22:50:22 GMT 2000
root@monster.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC
i386

on my machine.  I have this machine setup to run userland ppp with the auto
and nat flags so
that it provides internet access for my internal lan clients (win98, win95,
NT, HPUX).

Since this is a dialup link (but it stays up for long periods at a time) do
I have a high security
risk ?  With a dialup link, what security steps should be taken on a freshly
installed box ?

this machine only has the standard accounts, and one for me.  If there is a
tutorial, or
specific information I would greatly appreciate a pointer.

BTW, this machine only provides the above stated functionality.  It does
nothing else.

thanks,
Darryl



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Hello all,
This might be a dumb question, but I am new to FreeBSD and can't figure it
out. I got Freebsd 4.1 installed on my soon-to-be firewall. Everything seems
ok. 
Problem is, when I try to make a new kernel I edit the MYKERNEL config file,
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cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL
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Make depend always fails saying:
don't know how to make ../../kern/genassym.sh

Am I missing something or am I doing something wrong?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Did you install the system's sources??
Send us your new "MYKERNEL" file....

> Hello all,
> This might be a dumb question, but I am new to FreeBSD and can't figure it
> out. I got Freebsd 4.1 installed on my soon-to-be firewall. Everything seems
> ok.
> Problem is, when I try to make a new kernel I edit the MYKERNEL config file,
> do
> /usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL
> cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL
> make depend
>
> Make depend always fails saying:
> don't know how to make ../../kern/genassym.sh
>
> Am I missing something or am I doing something wrong?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Tim I.
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Thanks for the responses. I'll send my kernel config file to the list when I
can get to my machine again. 

>if you showed us your kernel config file we could see whaere the depend
>problem is...


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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:19:35AM -0000, Daniel Bye wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0

rm -- -help


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Jim,

> What about it?  Anyone with skills in this area interested in figuring
> out what changed between 4.1 and 4.1.1 probably in the crypto changes
> that prevents the MD5 authentication of a skip partner. 

I spent a couple of hours yesterday looking at the code, and while 
my C skills are a little rusty, here's how it looks to me:

1.  SKIP contains its own built-in crypto functions, including its
     own MD5 routines.  It doesn't appear to link against any of the
     system crypto libraries, and I don't think there's any chance of
     it using the wrong md5.h header file (most of SKIP's own MD5
     functions are named slightly differently than the OS versions). 
     So I don't think SKIP's brokenness results from changes in the
     FreeBSD crypto stuff (at least not directly).

2.  A 4.2-STABLE SKIP kernel still properly signs outgoing
    packets, because they are correctly authenticated when
    received as incoming packets on a pre-4.1.1 system.

3.  The problem appears to be with incoming packets on post 
     4.1-RELEASE systems.  Is it possible that incoming packets
     are being changed slightly before SKIP gets a chance to
     process them, thereby causing a failure in the MD5
     authentication?  SKIP appears to ignore the ip_sum, ip_ttl,
     ip_tos and ip_off fields in the IP header when signing and
     authenticating packets, presumably because these fields are
     expected to change;  is there some other field in an IP packet
     that now falls into this same category that didn't before? 
     Maybe something related to IP options processing?  (Now I'm
     totally guessing.)

At this point, if I had to guess, I would guess that the problem is 
that the FreeBSD TCP/IP stack changed in some very subtle way 
with respect to incoming packets only.  By looking at the CVS
logs, it appears that there were some changes made during the 
time between 4.1-RELEASE and 4.1.1-RELEASE to the way IP 
packets are processed, but nothing that looks to my untrained eye 
to be obviously problematic.

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about SKIP's internals, kernel 
networking internals, or how SKIP and the TCP/IP stack interact to 
go any further with this.

Maybe I'm way off-base, but I thought I'd throw this out there in 
case it helps to point someone in the right direction.  If I'm totally 
out to lunch, just disregard everything I've said.

Regards,
Craig



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Hi!

I contact you (half the core team of freebsd, please forward the info
;-) because I'm organising an open source developers meeting and would
like freebsd to be represented.....

It will take place 3rd and 4th february 2001 in Brussels. We could try
to find sponsors so that you can come to here.....  info at
http://www.raphinou.com

thanks for your interest.

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Hello,

Please pardon me if this is a stupid question.  I am having a bear of a
time getting sound to work in FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE, particularly to listen
to mp3 files.

My kernel has:

device          pcm

The pcm0 card is detected when booting up:

pcm0: <AudioPCI ES1370> port 0xb800-0xb83f irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0

Here is what /dev/sndstat says:

pcm0: <AudioPCI ES1370> at io 0xb800 irq 10 (1p/1r channels duplex)

In particular I am trying to use mpg123.  The mixer volume is up.  The
problem is that mpg123 simply hangs.


% mpg123 jimego-stress_2000.mp3
High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2 and 3.
Version 0.59r (1999/Jun/15). Written and copyrights by Michael Hipp.
Uses code from various people. See 'README' for more!
THIS SOFTWARE COMES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY! USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!


Sometimes, if I wait a while and ^C it, it will say that it's played
[0:00] of the file. 

Any ideas on if this is an issue with mpg123 itself, or my sound setup as
a whole?  Is there a good way to test the sound setup?

Many thanks,
Eric




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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Siegbert Baude wrote:

> Hi Christopher,
>=20
> >         You could prevent make world from making your sendmail files in
> > /etc/defaults/make.conf
>=20
> Don=B4t know, how much of the documentation you already read. What James
> suggested has to be done as:
>=20
> Copy the relevant lines from /etc/defaults/make.conf to /etc/make.conf an=
d
> change the value THERE. Never touch any files in /etc/default as they cou=
ld
> be overwritten during your next upgrade (and for some other reasons). Alw=
ays
> copy the lines to their /etc counterparts and change the values there.

I actually had NO_SENDMAIL=3DTRUE in the /etc/make.conf, however my
current theory is that I should have had NO_SENDMAIL=3Dtrue. I assume
make.conf is case sensitive?

Thanks for the help!

----
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Northern Brewer / 1150 Grand Avenue / St. Paul, MN 55105
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Hi there,

            Mine is as wat i see in my make.conf
all in CAPS..lol.
i am not sure whether it is case sensitive though.

welcome dude

Regards,
James Lim

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Siegbert Baude" <Siegbert.Baude@gmx.de>
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Siegbert Baude wrote:

> Hi Christopher,
>
> >         You could prevent make world from making your sendmail files in
> > /etc/defaults/make.conf
>
> Don´t know, how much of the documentation you already read. What James
> suggested has to be done as:
>
> Copy the relevant lines from /etc/defaults/make.conf to /etc/make.conf and
> change the value THERE. Never touch any files in /etc/default as they
could
> be overwritten during your next upgrade (and for some other reasons).
Always
> copy the lines to their /etc counterparts and change the values there.

I actually had NO_SENDMAIL=TRUE in the /etc/make.conf, however my
current theory is that I should have had NO_SENDMAIL=true. I assume
make.conf is case sensitive?

Thanks for the help!

----
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Northern Brewer / 1150 Grand Avenue / St. Paul, MN 55105
www.northernbrewer.com



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Hi All,
When somethere on the NET will appear 4.1.1. full CD pack?

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Courtney Thomas wrote:
> 
> Good Morning !
> 
> Hopefully you can ease my ignorance, in that I too would welcome
> inexpensive hardware raid5, but primarily for data integrity, not
> performance.
> 
> But, as I understand it, a modern cpu is so much faster than when hdw
> raid made sense, in that it was relatively, at that time, a much faster
> application, that it was cost/performance effective. Since slow ide
> drives/cpu made scsi raid appealing then, fast cpus [500mhz&up] and
> software raid now, oldstyle scsi/hdw raid can only with difficulty be
> cost justified, except for the most demanding applications.
> 
> All that said, if there is no software to enhance the controller change,
> other than Vinum, which is usable with the unaltered card, why change it
> ?
> 
> How would it function better, since I assume you would still use Vinum,
> or is this wrong ?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Courtney
> 
> <----------------End of Msg----------------------
>
 hello, thanks for your quick repsonses. Well, it wasnt so much really
that i wanted to get any more data integrity or performance out of my
box. i bought the card a few months ago off and friend, and it came
obsolete when i bought a new motherboard that supported UDMA66 anyway, i
was just doing it for fun (besides the fact i wouldnt trust any hardware
*I* modified to go into a production server) :) i was just wondering if
i could get some more use out of an old card. thanks for helping though.
sean


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At 03:32 PM 11/30/00, John Baldwin wrote:

>On 30-Nov-00 Chris Hill wrote:
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> >
> >> /etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)
> >
> > Some even worse reprobates (myself included) say ET-see.
>
>I prefer ET-see as well.
>
> >> Or "#"
> >>
> >> The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
> >> Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)
> >
> > And there are always the pedants who say "octothorpe."
> >
> > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
>
>I say TIL-day, but I'm just a youngin'

:)
i'm just a youngin too,
but i've always said TIL-dee

Swen

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> > /etc pronounced like the letters e-t-c

e-t-c ?  Most people I know here in the San Diego area say "etz"  (sounds
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On 01-Dec-00 xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> why is it so difficult to use the linux driver as the starting point for
> freebsd?  two different versions of linux (suse and mandrake) that i have
> used work just fine (as would undoubtedly all the others as well).  if
> freebsd is so adept at using linux components, why is it so difficult to
> port all of the linux drivers to freebsd?  heaven forbid, is this an
> admitted shortcoming?

Porting the driver involves time testing it as well, and apparently no one
_with_ the hardware either a) has the skill or b) has the desire to port the
driver.  The way stuff gets done in FreeBSD (since it is a _volunteer_ project)
is that people add drivers/fix bugs/etc. for things that they need to get their
real jobs done or for things that they personally need.  If you wanted to sit
down and port the driver that would be great.  That is how a volunteer project
works.

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Are there any software dialers for FBSD that support PPPoA?  I'm trying to
set up ADSL with a 3Com Dual Link External Modem that is supposed to support
hardware dialing.  However, I have been working with 3Com support and they
have been unable to help me so far (my case has been escalated) but the tech
suggested I see if there is a PPPoA dialer for FBSD.  He's a Linux person
and knows there are some betas for Linux.

Thanks,

Drew



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On Thursday 30 November 2000 23:04, Vlad Skvortsov wrote:
> Hello !
>
> 	My apologize if this is not correct list to ask such questions.
>
It isn't I guess..
>
> 	/* to_us and from_us are pipes to and from our process,
> 		0th element is read end, 1st - write end.
> 	sd is connected socket.
> 	*/
>
> 	close (from_us[0]);
> 	close (to_us[1]);
>
> 	dup_sock = dup (sd);
> 	dup_out = dup (from_us[1]);
> 	dup_in = dup (to_us[0]);
> 	dup2 (dup_in, 0);
> 	dup2 (dup_out, 1);
> 	dup2 (dup_sock, 2);
>
> 	/* Child won't need anything except fds 0-2 */
> 	for (i = 3; i < file_descriptors_table_size; i ++)
> 		close (i);
Gut reaction.. The very first thing you should do is to comment out the closes
above and then test it. They are not functionally needed, and complicate the 
issue.
I will look at it further when I get time.. and respond if I have anything 
useful...

> 	/* Clear close-on-exec flags for fds 0-2 */
> 	...
>
> 	/* Exec the app */
> 	...
>
> 	All dup/dup2 calls are successfull. But when parent tries writing to
> the pipe it receives SIGPIPE. Debugging shows that the pipe gets widowed
> after the last dup2 call. Let's see what happens. Up to this points there
> are following allocations of file descriptors:
>
> /* l - socket that daemon listens on
>    a - socket with accepted connection
>    s - syslog socket
>    f[0] - from_us[0] - read end of outgoing pipe
>    f[1] - from_us[1] - write end of outgoing pipe
>    t[0] - to_us[0] - read end of incoming pipe
>    t[1] - to_us[1] - write end of incoming pipe
> */
>
> l   : 0
> a   : 1
> s   : 3
> f[0]: 5
> f[1]: 6
> t[0]: 2
> t[1]: 4
>
> 	close (from_us[0]);
> 	close (to_us[1]);
> l   : 0
> a   : 1
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6
> t[0]: 2
>
> 	dup_sock = dup (sd);
> l   : 0
> a   : 1 4
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6
> t[0]: 2
>
> 	dup_out = dup (from_us[1]);
> l   : 0
> a   : 1 4
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6 5
> t[0]: 2
>
> 	dup_in = dup (to_us[0]);
> l   : 0
> a   : 1 4
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6 5
> t[0]: 2 7
>
> 	dup2 (dup_in, 0);
> a   : 1 4
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6 5
> t[0]: 2 7 0
>
> 	dup2 (dup_out, 1); /* (1) */
> a   : 4
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6 5 1
> t[0]: 2 7 0
> /* The pipe is still functioning here (all FDs: 0, 2 and 7) */
>
> 	dup2 (dup_sock, 2); /* (2) */
> a   : 4 2
> s   : 3
> f[1]: 6 5 1			/* outgoing pipe */
> t[0]: 7 0			/* incoming pipe */
> /* The pipe appears to be broken after this call (neither FD 0, nor 7) */
>
> 	Two things to mention here.
>
> 	The outgoing pipe is okay. The only difference in setting up FD1 and
> FD0 is that when setting up outgoing pipe (FD1) no dup2 calls freed any of
> FDs associated with pipe. On the other side when setting up incoming pipe,
> dup2 call marked as (2) freed descriptor 2 associated with this pipe and
> has broken the pipe down. Closing any descriptors associated with pipe
> using close(2) call doesn't break pipe.
>
> 	The second thing is that dup2 doesn't break _socket_ even freeing
> descriptor associated with it (dup2 call marked as (1)).
>
> 	Can anyone point me to the direction how to debug/solve the problem ?


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it didn't take six days to install NT.  I INSTALLED IT IN ONE HOUR, after
spending six days trying to get freebsd to run.  freebsd was running after
my first attempt.  i am no idiot.  i tried to install xfree86 version 4.0
after having first installed version 3.3.6 or whatever it was that was the
base package.  after trying to do that, i nolonger had use of the
x-terminal.  i tried to remove the version 4.0, but i got nowhere with that.
i didn't want to erase everything that i had installed, just to start all
over again.  i had downloaded over 8 GB's of software from the web. i did
not want to go through that all over again.

i got freebsd on SEPTEMBER 30.  i got WINDOWS NT on OCTOBER 5.  after
removing the linux boot sector on the disk i wanted to use, it took me less
than one hour to format and install NT.  i have been running it ever since.
I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE ME
UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.  THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE.  THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE!  LONG LIVE THE
HIGHLANDER `GATES'.
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To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
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>
>
> On Nov 30, xavian anderson macpherson enlightened us with the following:
>
> > i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet...
> <big snip>
> You don't mention if you read the 800-page handbook...
> >
> > i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation;
> <big snip>
> Why would you want to run an OS on another OS?  Also, why would FreeBSD
> want to provide "REAL SOLUTIONS for NT"?  I've installed and ran NT at
> work for the past eight years and have only used FBSD for about 8
> months.  Give me a FBSD machine over winblows any day.  (And this coming
> from an MCSE+I)
> >
> > NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an
integrated
> <big snip>
> Have you looked at Exceed by Hummingbird Communications?  And you
> obviously did not read the info on Windows NT Services for Unix.  And I
> quote:
> "The Microsoft Windows NT Services for UNIX Add-On Pack provides access to
> core interoperability components in an integrated, fully supported
> package. Benefits include lower deployment costs, improved support for
> mixed environments, and the most complete integration with current and
> future Windows NT-based technologies and initiatives."  Bottom line...it's
> a SERVICE that runs on NT to connect to a Unix machine.
> >
> > quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for
NT,
> <big snip>
> XFree and Gnome running on NT?  <gasp!!!>  What unix component run under
> windoze?  I haven't seen any yet that provide the same functionality as on
> a FreeBSD machine.
> >
> <small snip>
> >to use freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly
> >frustated with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional
> >heterogenious operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and
freebsd
> >on the same computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS
> >COMPRESSED).
> I'm curious...how did it take you SIX DAYS to install NT?  If it takes
> that long to install something that an monkey can be trained to do, why
> were you trying to install an OPERATING SYSTEM that requires one to know
> the specifics of their system on top of another operating system that will
> do a mindless install of it's own?
>
> Each OS has it's own particular strengths and weaknesses.  But as I become
> more and more familiar with FreeBSD, Windows is quickly taking a back
> seat.  If you have questions, ask them.  There are people here who are
> very good at providing solutions.  But not when you rant and rave.
>
>
>
>
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Bart wrote:

> Hi all!
> 
> Some time ago I used a nifty small tool called "redir"
> to redirect incoming request on machine A at port X
> to machine B at port Y (at the other side of the world).
> I currently in the same situation and need the redirect
> somestuff to another machine on another port although
> I can't find my redirect tool :-(
> Does anyone of you have that tool or is there another
> solution ?

Either use ipfw to redirect requests, or have a look at 
/usr/ports/net/rinetd-*.

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	Hello,

=== XSpecN@netscape.net escribia
(Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 05:34:58AM -0500):

> Hi there!
> 
> Im prepairing to my final exams on Uni. My examination task is security in Unix/Unix Like OS. My question is where should i look for materials about built in security solutions in FreeBSD and about ways to improve it. I will have to write some kind of scanner to check the security of such system.
> Would you please suggest some online texts about this?

	You can check

http://www.freebsd.org/security/

and

http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jkb/howto.html

> 
> Sep

					Manuel Garcia




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Ana Romero wrote:

> Probably, you have seen this question but it can be answered and everyb=
ody
> tells me to ask here.
>=20
> Hello!
>=20
> After installing FreeBSD 4.0., I try to boot from
> the hard disk, but the boot manager prompt prints:
> Loading FreeBSD
> L?
>=20
> at the boot menu. What can I do?
>=20
> I have Lilo boot manager installed. After printing "Loading FreeBSD L?"=
,
> the system is dead, I mean, keyboard doesn=B4t work and the system is n=
ot
> loaded.
> I have thought that it can be the geometry of the hard disk, but I have=

> changed putting the same as in BIOS and also no works.

Although it should be possible to have Lilo boot FreeBSD, most people=20
running FreeBSD prefer either BootEasy ot OS-BS. Both are available at=20
your local FreeBSD mirror in the tools directory.

Since I use both of them, I cannot tell you have to tweak Lilo (short=20
for Linux Loader ;) ) into behaving with FBSD.

HTH
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Hi there,

	I am running 3-STABLE on a 8 MB 486 acting
	as a firewall.  I think I found a bug, but
	I just want to run thru' you guys first.  And, 
	unless 4-STABLE runs in 8 MB, I can't really 
	upgrade.

	I have the following in /etc/fstab:
	# Device     Mountpoint  FStype  Options ...
	/dev/wd0s2a  /           ufs     ro      ...
	/dev/wd0s2f  /usr        ufs     ro      ...
	Please note the readonly options.  Partition 
	/var is created on the fly during initialization.
		
	Then I execuate the following as part of
	the initialization.  Basically, I am trying
	to get a read-write /etc on top of the 
	readonly / partitition.
	 tar cf /var/tmp/etcfile /etc 2>/dev/null
	 mount_mfs -s 1536 -T minimum dummy /etc
	 (cd /; tar xf /var/tmp/etcfile)

	This works most of the time.  However, once
	in a while, tar will come back and complain
	about trying to write a few (around 5) files 
	to a read-only file system.

	It seems under certain conditions, the system
	cannot see the MFS and write directly on
	the readonly / partition.  Any ideas?

---
Samuel Chow

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</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I am =
running 3-STABLE on a 8 MB 486 acting</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>as a =
firewall.&nbsp; I think I found a bug, but</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I just =
want to run thru' you guys first.&nbsp; And, </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>unless =
4-STABLE runs in 8 MB, I can't really </FONT>
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SIZE=3D2>upgrade.</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>I have the =
following in /etc/fstab:</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2># =
Device&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mountpoint&nbsp; FStype&nbsp; Options =
...</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
SIZE=3D2>/dev/wd0s2a&nbsp; =
/&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
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/usr&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
ufs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ro&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ...</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Please =
note the readonly options.&nbsp; Partition </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>/var is =
created on the fly during initialization.</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>Then I =
execuate the following as part of</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>the =
initialization.&nbsp; Basically, I am trying</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>to get a =
read-write /etc on top of the </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>readonly =
/ partitition.</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2> tar =
cf /var/tmp/etcfile /etc 2&gt;/dev/null</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2> =
mount_mfs -s 1536 -T minimum dummy /etc</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=3D2> (cd =
/; tar xf /var/tmp/etcfile)</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>This works =
most of the time.&nbsp; However, once</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>in a =
while, tar will come back and complain</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>about =
trying to write a few (around 5) files </FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>to a =
read-only file system.</FONT>
</P>

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>It seems =
under certain conditions, the system</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>cannot =
see the MFS and write directly on</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>the =
readonly / partition.&nbsp; Any ideas?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>---</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Samuel Chow</FONT>
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Jim Durham wrote:

> 
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, David Banning wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your response - 
>> 
>> Before I do all that - is it possible to find out what my running
>> IP address currently is, and access my computer by typing
>> http://123.456.7.8/myfiles.html
>> 
>> or some such thing in my browser?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2000 at 09:54:35AM -0800, tim hobbs wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I would like to call into my computer and access it
>>>> like a web host
>>>> from somewhere else on the web.  My thought is that
>>>> this should be possible
>>>> if my IP address is known.  
>>> 
>>> This is how I am doing it, if this helps:
>>> 
> 
> Interesting! I have been wondering about dynamic dns. What do
> they do about caching name servers? I find that changing the
> DNS entry takes a couple days to propagate..

You may set the time until your A and PTR records expire in your DNS 
zone file. Dynamic DNS usually set it to very low values (about five 
minutes). Thus, a change in your IP will expire from all caches in about 
that time.

HTH
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Hi,

Can someone tell me where, on the freebsd.org site, can I find 
documentation regarding "monthly run output - login accounting"?

I have searched and searched.. no luck finding anything relevant.  
Any URLs to docs regarding this would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I am not subscribed to this list, so please send replies 
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	Darryl,

=== Darryl Hoar escribia
(Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 09:10:25AM -0600):

> Greetings,
> I am running :
> 
> FreeBSD proxy 4.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #0:
> Mon Mar 20 22:50:22 GMT 2000
> root@monster.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC
> i386
> 
> on my machine.  I have this machine setup to run userland ppp with the auto
> and nat flags so
> that it provides internet access for my internal lan clients (win98, win95,
> NT, HPUX).
> 
> Since this is a dialup link (but it stays up for long periods at a time) do
> I have a high security
> risk ?  With a dialup link, what security steps should be taken on a freshly
> installed box ?

	I guess it depends on whom you ask about it. Being the
paranoid type I am, if you ask me I would say you do have a high
security risk :)  Not that I am an expert, but I would disable
the ability to initiate connections from outside. If you still
need to access that machine from somewhere else besides your local
network then set up ssh. That's it, basically. For the full story
you can read

http://www.freebsd.org/security/

and

http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jkb/howto.html

> 
> thanks,
> Darryl

	HTH
						Manuel Garcia



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I just recently tried putting an adaptec 2940w SCSI controller into my
FreeBSD machine (running -STABLE cvsupped and recompiled every night at
1:30AM) and since including the driver in my kernel I've noticed some
random panics. Most of the time they occur during heavy disk activity, and
usually only when I'm running X (hence the reason I couldn't tell you the
panic message). Even wierder still, I don't even have any SCSI devices
connected yet; I'm using only IDE disks connected via the motherboard's
builtin ATA66. I have also searched the various FreeBSD mailinglist
archives and found some people with the same problems I was having, but no
solutions. Crashes do not occur in Windows with this configuration (at
least not any more than usual :-) ) and when I take the ahc driver out of
the kernel, the panics stop. I've included my dmesg -v output and my
kernel config file, please let me know if anything else is needed.

Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
	The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #0: Fri Dec  1 11:55:01 EST 2000
    culverk@culverk.student.umd.edu:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYKERNEL
Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 800028138 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193181 Hz
CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x642  Stepping = 2
  Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
  AMD Features=0xc0440000<<b18>,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
Data TLB: 24 entries, fully associative
Instruction TLB: 16 entries, fully associative
L1 data cache: 64 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 2-way associative
L1 instruction cache: 64 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 2-way associative
L2 internal cache: 256 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 8-way associative
real memory  = 134152192 (131008K bytes)
Physical memory chunk(s):
0x00001000 - 0x0009ffff, 651264 bytes (159 pages)
0x0035d000 - 0x07fe7fff, 130592768 bytes (31883 pages)
avail memory = 127324160 (124340K bytes)
bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00faf90
bios32: Entry = 0xfb400 (c00fb400)  Rev = 0  Len = 1
pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0xb430
pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fbf00
pnpbios: Entry = f0000:bf30  Rev = 1.0
Other BIOS signatures found:
ACPI: 000f7ad0
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0337000.
Preloaded elf module "if_xl.ko" at 0xc03370a8.
Preloaded elf module "miibus.ko" at 0xc0337148.
Preloaded elf module "usb.ko" at 0xc03371e8.
Preloaded elf module "ums.ko" at 0xc0337284.
Preloaded elf module "bktr_mem.ko" at 0xc0337320.
Preloaded elf module "bktr.ko" at 0xc03373c0.
Preloaded elf module "agp.ko" at 0xc033745c.
bktr_mem: memory holder loaded
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
pci_open(1):	mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80003840
pci_open(1a):	mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000)
pci_cfgcheck:	device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106)
pcib-: pcib0 exists, using next available unit number
apm0: <APM BIOS> on motherboard
apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pci_open(1):	mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000
pci_open(1a):	mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000)
pci_cfgcheck:	device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106)
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0305, revid=0x02
	class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base d8000000, size 26
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x8305, revid=0x00
	class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=1 	secondarybus=1
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0686, revid=0x22
	class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0571, revid=0x10
	class=01-01-8a, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d000, size  4
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038, revid=0x10
	class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=d, irq=10
	map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d400, size  5
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038, revid=0x10
	class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=d, irq=10
	map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d800, size  5
found->	vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057, revid=0x30
	class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
found->	vendor=0x109e, dev=0x036e, revid=0x02
	class=04-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=10
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base df002000, size 12
found->	vendor=0x109e, dev=0x0878, revid=0x02
	class=04-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=10
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base df000000, size 12
found->	vendor=0x9004, dev=0x7178, revid=0x03
	class=01-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=11
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000dc00, size  8
	map[14]: type 1, range 32, base df001000, size 12
found->	vendor=0x10b7, dev=0x9200, revid=0x78
	class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=10
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000e000, size  7
	map[14]: type 1, range 32, base df003000, size  7
found->	vendor=0x1011, dev=0x0009, revid=0x22
	class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=12
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000e400, size  7
	map[14]: type 1, range 32, base df004000, size  7
found->	vendor=0x1274, dev=0x5880, revid=0x02
	class=04-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=12
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000e800, size  6
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
agp0: <VIA VT8363 (KT133) host to PCI bridge> mem 0xd8000000-0xdbffffff at device 0.0 on pci0
agp0: allocating GATT for aperture of size 256M
pcib2: <VIA VT8363 (KT133) PCI-PCI (AGP) bridge> at device 1.0 on pci0
found->	vendor=0x10de, dev=0x0110, revid=0xa1
	class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0
	subordinatebus=0 	secondarybus=0
	intpin=a, irq=5
	map[10]: type 1, range 32, base dc000000, size 24
	map[14]: type 1, range 32, base d0000000, size 27
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib2
pci1: <NVidia model 0110 graphics accelerator> (vendor=0x10de, dev=0x0110) at 0.0 irq 5
isab0: <VIA 82C686 PCI-ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <VIA 82C686 ATA66 controller> port 0xd000-0xd00f at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xd000
ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00
ata0: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00
ata0-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00
ata0-slave: ATAPI probe a=14 b=eb
ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00
ata0-master: ATA probe a=01 b=a5
ata0: devices=09
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xd008
ata1: mask=03 status0=50 status1=50
ata1: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=50
ata1-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00
ata1-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00
ata1: mask=03 status0=50 status1=50
ata1-master: ATA probe a=01 b=a5
ata1-slave: ATA probe a=01 b=a5
ata1: devices=03
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
uhci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 10 at device 7.2 on pci0
usb0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
ums0: Logitech USB Mouse, rev 1.10/6.10, addr 2, iclass 3/1
ums0: 4 buttons and Z dir.
uhci1: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 10 at device 7.3 on pci0
	using shared irq10.
usb1: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
bktr0: <BrookTree 878> mem 0xdf002000-0xdf002fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci0
brooktree0: PCI bus latency is 32.
bktr0: buffer size 3555328, addr 0x5000000
bktr0: GPIO is 0x00fffffb
bktr0: subsystem 0x0070 0x13eb
bktr0: Hauppauge Model 61291 D110
bktr0: Hauppauge WinCast/TV, Philips NTSC tuner, remote control.
pci0: <unknown card> (vendor=0x109e, dev=0x0878) at 8.1 irq 10
ahc0: <Adaptec 2940 SCSI adapter> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xdf001000-0xdf001fff irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0
ahc0: Reading SEEPROM...done.
ahc0: Low byte termination Enabled
ahc0: High byte termination Enabled
ahc0: Downloading Sequencer Program... 429 instructions downloaded
aic7870: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs
xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xe000-0xe07f mem 0xdf003000-0xdf00307f irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:01:02:3e:18:41
xl0: media options word: a
xl0: found MII/AUTO
miibus0: <MII bus> on xl0
xlphy0: <3c905C 10/100 internal PHY> on miibus0
xlphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
bpf: xl0 attached
de0: <Digital 21140A Fast Ethernet> port 0xe400-0xe47f mem 0xdf004000-0xdf00407f irq 12 at device 13.0 on pci0
de0: 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.2
de0: address 00:c0:f0:1f:21:02
bpf: de0 attached
pcm0: <AudioPCI ES1371> port 0xe800-0xe83f irq 12 at device 15.0 on pci0
pcm0: ac97 codec id 0x83847609 (SigmaTel STAC9721)
pcm0: ac97 codec features 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, 5 bit master volume, SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
pcm0: ac97 primary codec extended features AMAP
	using shared irq12.
pcm: setmap 7ded000, 1000; 0xc0bd9000 -> 7ded000
pcm: setmap 7e12000, 1000; 0xc0bde000 -> 7e12000
pci_open(1):	mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000
pci_open(1a):	mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000)
pci_cfgcheck:	device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106)
pci-: pci1 exists, using next available unit number
pcib1: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib1
Trying Read_Port at 203
Trying Read_Port at 243
Trying Read_Port at 283
Trying Read_Port at 2c3
Trying Read_Port at 303
Trying Read_Port at 343
Trying Read_Port at 383
Trying Read_Port at 3c3
isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices
isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices
fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0067
atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2)
kbdc: RESET_KBD return code:00fa
kbdc: RESET_KBD status:00aa
kbd0 at atkbd0
kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x1, flags:0x3d0000
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f
fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000
fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24
fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k
VGA parameters upon power-up
50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 54 80 
bf 1f 00 4f 0e 0f 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 
b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 
3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff 
VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24
50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 54 80 
bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 
b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 
3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff 
EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24
50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 54 80 
bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 
b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 
3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff 
sc0: <System console> at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal)
ppc0: parallel port found at 0x378
ppc0: using extended I/O port range
ppc0: EPP SPP
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices
BIOS Geometries:
 0:03ff0f3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..15=16 heads, 1..63=63 sectors
 1:03fffe3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors
 2:03ff0f3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..15=16 heads, 1..63=63 sectors
 0 accounted for
Device configuration finished.
bpf: lo0 attached
IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging disabled
ata0-master: success setting UDMA2 on VIA chip
Creating DISK ad0
Creating DISK wd0
ad0: <Maxtor 90845D4/GAS54112> ATA-4 disk at ata0-master
ad0: 8063MB (16514064 sectors), 16383 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA33
ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 cblid=0
ad0: 8063MB <Maxtor 90845D4> [16383/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33
ata1-master: success setting UDMA4 on VIA chip
Creating DISK ad1
Creating DISK wd1
ad1: <Maxtor 91366U4/RA530JN0> ATA-5 disk at ata1-master
ad1: 13029MB (26684784 sectors), 26473 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
ad1: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA66
ad1: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=4 cblid=1
ad1: 13029MB <Maxtor 91366U4> [26473/16/63] at ata1-master UDMA66
ata1-slave: success setting UDMA4 on VIA chip
Creating DISK ad2
Creating DISK wd2
ad2: <Maxtor 51536H3/DAC10SC0> ATA-6 disk at ata1-slave
ad2: 14655MB (30015216 sectors), 29777 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S
ad2: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA66
ad2: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=5 cblid=1
ad2: 14655MB <Maxtor 51536H3> [29777/16/63] at ata1-slave UDMA66
ata0-slave: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 dmaflag=1
ata0-slave: success setting UDMA2 on VIA chip
acd0: <TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-M1212/1R22> DVD-ROM drive at ata0 as slave
acd0: read 5512KB/s (5512KB/s), 256KB buffer, UDMA33
acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA stream, DVD-ROM, DVD-R
acd0: Audio: play, 16 volume levels
acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray
acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked
Waiting 10 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
(noperiph:ahc0:0:-1:-1): SCSI bus reset delivered. 0 SCBs aborted.
de0: enabling 10baseT port
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad1s1a
ad1s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 26683964, size 26683902 : OK
start_init: trying /sbin/init
ad2s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 30015215, size 30015153 : OK
Linux-ELF exec handler installed
splash: image decoder found: blank_saver

Here is my custom kernel config file.

machine		i386
cpu		I686_CPU
ident		"MYKERNEL"
maxusers	64

options 	INET			#InterNETworking
options 	FFS			#Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options 	FFS_ROOT		#FFS usable as root device [keep this!]
options 	SOFTUPDATES		#Enable FFS soft updates support
options 	PROCFS			#Process filesystem
options 	COMPAT_43		#Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options 	UCONSOLE		#Allow users to grab the console
options 	SYSVSHM			#SYSV-style shared memory
options 	SYSVMSG			#SYSV-style message queues
options 	SYSVSEM			#SYSV-style semaphores
options 	P1003_1B		#Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions
options 	_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
options		ICMP_BANDLIM		#Rate limit bad replies
options 	KBD_INSTALL_CDEV	# install a CDEV entry in /dev

device		isa
device		pci

# Floppy drives
device		fdc0	at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2
device		fd0	at fdc0 drive 0

device		ata
device		atadisk			# ATA disk drives
device		atapicd			# ATAPI CDROM drives
#options 	ATA_STATIC_ID		#Static device numbering
options 	ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA	#Enable DMA on ATAPI devices

device		atkbdc0	at isa? port IO_KBD
device		atkbd0	at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1

device		vga0	at isa?

# splash screen/screen saver
pseudo-device	splash

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device		sc0	at isa? flags 0x100

# Floating point support - do not disable.
device		npx0	at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13

# Power management support (see LINT for more options)
device		apm0    at nexus? # Advanced Power Management

# Serial (COM) ports
device		sio

# Parallel port
device		ppc0	at isa? irq 7
device		ppbus		# Parallel port bus (required)
device		lpt		# Printer


# PCI Ethernet NICs.
device		de		# DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'')

# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated.
pseudo-device	loop		# Network loopback
pseudo-device	ether		# Ethernet support
pseudo-device	pty		# Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc)

# The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter.
# Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this!
pseudo-device	bpf		#Berkeley packet filter

options IPFIREWALL
options IPDIVERT
options SC_DISABLE_REBOOT

device pcm
device ahc
device scbus
device da
device cd

options SCSI_DELAY=10000



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	Aaron,

=== Aaron escribia
(Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:33:35PM -0800):

> Hello,
> 	I have a large file that was split up by a program called
> "Mastersplitter" (www.tomasoft.com). Of course, its only for the Windows
> and emulation doesnt work in WINE. Is there anyway I can regroup the files
> w/o Mastersplitter? To my understanding its binary-ly split. So I would
> assume another program could rejoin them?

	I apologize if I'm pointing out the obvious, but I would try

cat chunk0 chunk1 ... chunkn > rejoined.file

> 
> Any assistance is welcomed.
> - click

	Hope this works
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Hello everybody,
some email questions...

I have been successfully running cyrus with sendmail for a year now, and
on another config on freebsd 3.4, cyrus and qmail has been very smooth
for me. Now, I am moving to a newer machine, with freebsd 4.2.

I am trying to get qmail and cyrus from the ports to work. I am mostly
successful but a few things are bugging me:

I use pwcheck to authenticate imap users, so I set
"sasl_pwcheck_method=pwcheck" in my imapd.conf. This works fine.
However, for every login, I get a message in the logs saying "unable to
open /usr/local/imap/sasldb" (or pretty close, I don't have access to
the actual logs now)
Why is it trying to open the sasldb file when I specified to use pwcheck
? (and it does use it since logins work)
I don't want my log to fill up with bogus messages and this does not
seem very good anyway.
Anybody hit this ? I built cyrus with all the options (sasl,db and
mysql) just in case I want to use one of those eventually.

The other problem I am having is with qmail. It seems to be working fine
too, but for every message delivered, a message shows in the log  saying
that "****_free() : pointer to high to be meaningful" . Again I don't
have access to the exact message, I will post it if necessary.

Anybody seen something similar ?

Also, the doc for cyrus is very lacking, anybody has good pointers on
doc for setting up authentication, etc ?

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Hi,

I am using FreeBSD 4.2.  When I type dmesg, I see a
lot
of messages: no such service.
Who can tell me what it is?  How can I know what
causes
this problem?
Thanks.

Ray

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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:36:34AM -0800, Ray Qiu wrote:
> I am using FreeBSD 4.2.  When I type dmesg, I see a
> lot
> of messages: no such service.
> Who can tell me what it is?  How can I know what
> causes
> this problem?
you may want to include the relevant parts of dmesg.

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A few references from the O'Reilly book "Building Internet Firewalls"
Zwicky, Cooper & Chapman"

http://www.cert.org
ftp://cerias.purdue.edu
http://securityfocus.com

newsgroups:

comp.security.unix
comp.admin.policy
comp.unix.admin
alt.security

===Janko van Roosmalen - Vught - Netherlands===

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 XSpecN@netscape.net wrote:

> Hi there!
> 
> Im prepairing to my final exams on Uni. My examination task is security in Unix/Unix Like OS. My question is where should i look for materials about built in security solutions in FreeBSD and about ways to improve it. I will have to write some kind of scanner to check the security of such system.
> Would you please suggest some online texts about this?
> 
> Sep
> 



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OK.  Here you go.
Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989,
1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
        The Regents of the University of California.
All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 29 20:54:18 PST 2000
    root@qiu.mycom.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/QIU
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (800.03-MHz 686-class
CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x622  Stepping = 2
 
Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
  AMD Features=0xc0400000<AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
real memory  = 134152192 (131008K bytes)
avail memory = 127619072 (124628K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02fc000.
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
pcib2: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=1106 device=8391)>
at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib2
isab0: <VIA 82C686 PCI-ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on
pci0
isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
atapci0: <VIA 82C686 ATA66 controller> port
0xc000-0xc00f at device 7.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
pci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> at 7.2 irq 12
pci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> at 7.3 irq 12
pcm0: <VIA VT82C686A AC'97 Audio> port
0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff irq 5 at
device 7.5 on pci0
dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem
0xd8009000-0xd80090ff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci0
dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:d4:2b:6c
miibus0: <MII bus> on dc0
ukphy0: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on
miibus0
ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX,
100baseTX-FDX, auto
dc1: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem
0xd8008000-0xd80080ff irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0
dc1: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:d4:16:40
miibus1: <MII bus> on dc1
ukphy1: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on
miibus1
ukphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX,
100baseTX-FDX, auto
pcm1: <Yamaha DS-1E (YMF724F)> mem
0xd8000000-0xd8007fff irq 5 at device 10.0 on pci0
pci0: <NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2 graphics
accelerator> at 11.0 irq 12
pcib1: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib1
fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7
irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port
0x60,0x64 on isa0
atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem
0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A, console
sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on
isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized.  Default = pass all,
Logging = enabled
ad0: 19541MB <Maxtor 52049U4> [39703/16/63] at
ata0-master UDMA66
acd0: DVD-ROM <DVD-ROM BDV212B> at ata1-slave using
PIO4
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a
no such service
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--- David <davidd@datasphereweb.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:36:34AM -0800, Ray Qiu
> wrote:
> > I am using FreeBSD 4.2.  When I type dmesg, I see
> a
> > lot
> > of messages: no such service.
> > Who can tell me what it is?  How can I know what
> > causes
> > this problem?
> you may want to include the relevant parts of dmesg.
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This is the results of a hardware failure. I just recently had the same
problem, it was due to bad cache on my cpu. My suggestion is to
try some different ram, and if that doesnt help, if you have another
cpu you can throw in the system give that a try, otherwise go into
your bios, and disable all cacheing. By doing so thou, you will slow
your system down quite conciderably, so be prepared for it.


Andrew

> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to upgrade a 4.1-STABLE server to 4.2 and I keep getting the
> following:
>
> make: illegal (null) argument.
> *** Error code 2
>
> The last one was in /usr/src/share/doc/usd but it seems to happen at
various
> different points during the build.
>
> I tried deleting /usr/src and did another cvsup with the same results.
>
> What now?
>
> TIA,
>
>     Jonathan
>
>
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i am trying to use `mount_ext2fs -o rw /dev/ad0s2 /mnt/lin' and
vfsload(ext2fs) says "no file or directory".

what's up with that? i have a suspicion it's because it's a fresh install of
freebsd and there aren't any kernel modules for ext2 yet. (i'm still using
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xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> 
> it didn't take six days to install NT.  I INSTALLED IT IN ONE HOUR, after
> spending six days trying to get freebsd to run.  freebsd was running after
> my first attempt.

Your first attempt took six days? I just started using fbsd three weeks
ago. I got my first system up and running in one day. I loaded my box
off the ftp site. It was a very nice experience for me. I have loaded
many many Win9x/nt systems in the past few years. An nt install should
only take an hour or so, but getting the damm thing to run right takes
weeks.


>  i am no idiot.  

see below

> i tried to install xfree86 version 4.0
> after having first installed version 3.3.6 or whatever it was that was the
> base package.  after trying to do that, i nolonger had use of the
> x-terminal.  i tried to remove the version 4.0, but i got nowhere with that.
> i didn't want to erase everything that i had installed, just to start all
> over again.  i had downloaded over 8 GB's of software from the web. i did
> not want to go through that all over again.


I would suggest you look in the mail list archive and see if somebody
has had a similar problem. The help is there if you look for it. Instead
of coming on this list and ripping about fbsd perhaps you should have
come here first and asked for help. As a new fbsd user I have had great
ammount of personal success and gotten a great benefit in the list. I
worked on a project for where I work for six month, when I moved to fbsd
three weeks ago my problem has been solved. It was that easy to do with
the help I got from this list and with the fbsd o/s.

> 
> i got freebsd on SEPTEMBER 30.  i got WINDOWS NT on OCTOBER 5.  after
> removing the linux boot sector on the disk i wanted to use, it took me less
> than one hour to format and install NT.  i have been running it ever since.

Perhaps you should just stay with nt and forget all about unix. you got
fbsd on sep 6 and your just now getting here? and I'm a little confused
about your linux boot sector.

> I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE ME
> UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.

perhaps you should look at vmware?

  THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
> MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
> SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE.  THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE!  LONG LIVE THE
> HIGHLANDER `GATES'.


as for your aforementioned claim as to not being an 'idiot', you don't
pass.


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If it took you 6 Days to install FreeBSD and have it running with XFree86
then clearly you did not have a clue as to what you were doing. Maybe you
should try rtfm once in a while. I never read them myself at the begining
which is why things too me a  lil longer than they do now.

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, xavian anderson macpherson wrote:

> it didn't take six days to install NT.  I INSTALLED IT IN ONE HOUR, after
> spending six days trying to get freebsd to run.  freebsd was running after
> my first attempt.  i am no idiot.  i tried to install xfree86 version 4.0
> after having first installed version 3.3.6 or whatever it was that was the
> base package.  after trying to do that, i nolonger had use of the
> x-terminal.  i tried to remove the version 4.0, but i got nowhere with that.
> i didn't want to erase everything that i had installed, just to start all
> over again.  i had downloaded over 8 GB's of software from the web. i did
> not want to go through that all over again.
> 
> i got freebsd on SEPTEMBER 30.  i got WINDOWS NT on OCTOBER 5.  after
> removing the linux boot sector on the disk i wanted to use, it took me less
> than one hour to format and install NT.  i have been running it ever since.
> I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE ME
> UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.  THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
> MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
> SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE.  THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE!  LONG LIVE THE
> HIGHLANDER `GATES'.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve" <vandena@ispchannel.com>
> To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 5:15 AM
> Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > On Nov 30, xavian anderson macpherson enlightened us with the following:
> >
> > > i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet...
> > <big snip>
> > You don't mention if you read the 800-page handbook...
> > >
> > > i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation;
> > <big snip>
> > Why would you want to run an OS on another OS?  Also, why would FreeBSD
> > want to provide "REAL SOLUTIONS for NT"?  I've installed and ran NT at
> > work for the past eight years and have only used FBSD for about 8
> > months.  Give me a FBSD machine over winblows any day.  (And this coming
> > from an MCSE+I)
> > >
> > > NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an
> integrated
> > <big snip>
> > Have you looked at Exceed by Hummingbird Communications?  And you
> > obviously did not read the info on Windows NT Services for Unix.  And I
> > quote:
> > "The Microsoft Windows NT Services for UNIX Add-On Pack provides access to
> > core interoperability components in an integrated, fully supported
> > package. Benefits include lower deployment costs, improved support for
> > mixed environments, and the most complete integration with current and
> > future Windows NT-based technologies and initiatives."  Bottom line...it's
> > a SERVICE that runs on NT to connect to a Unix machine.
> > >
> > > quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for
> NT,
> > <big snip>
> > XFree and Gnome running on NT?  <gasp!!!>  What unix component run under
> > windoze?  I haven't seen any yet that provide the same functionality as on
> > a FreeBSD machine.
> > >
> > <small snip>
> > >to use freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly
> > >frustated with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional
> > >heterogenious operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and
> freebsd
> > >on the same computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS
> > >COMPRESSED).
> > I'm curious...how did it take you SIX DAYS to install NT?  If it takes
> > that long to install something that an monkey can be trained to do, why
> > were you trying to install an OPERATING SYSTEM that requires one to know
> > the specifics of their system on top of another operating system that will
> > do a mindless install of it's own?
> >
> > Each OS has it's own particular strengths and weaknesses.  But as I become
> > more and more familiar with FreeBSD, Windows is quickly taking a back
> > seat.  If you have questions, ask them.  There are people here who are
> > very good at providing solutions.  But not when you rant and rave.
> >
> >
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I would check your startup scripts. It looks like its loading something
with probably isnt supported in the kernel.

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Ray Qiu wrote:

> OK.  Here you go.
> Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
> Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989,
> 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
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> All rights reserved.
> FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 29 20:54:18 PST 2000
>     root@qiu.mycom.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/QIU
> Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (800.03-MHz 686-class
> CPU)
>   Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x622  Stepping = 2
>  
> Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
>   AMD Features=0xc0400000<AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
> real memory  = 134152192 (131008K bytes)
> avail memory = 127619072 (124628K bytes)
> Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02fc000.
> Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
> md0: Malloc disk
> npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
> npx0: INT 16 interface
> pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
> pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
> pcib2: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=1106 device=8391)>
> at device 1.0 on pci0
> pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib2
> isab0: <VIA 82C686 PCI-ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on
> pci0
> isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
> atapci0: <VIA 82C686 ATA66 controller> port
> 0xc000-0xc00f at device 7.1 on pci0
> ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
> ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
> pci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> at 7.2 irq 12
> pci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> at 7.3 irq 12
> pcm0: <VIA VT82C686A AC'97 Audio> port
> 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff irq 5 at
> device 7.5 on pci0
> dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem
> 0xd8009000-0xd80090ff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci0
> dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:d4:2b:6c
> miibus0: <MII bus> on dc0
> ukphy0: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on
> miibus0
> ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX,
> 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> dc1: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem
> 0xd8008000-0xd80080ff irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0
> dc1: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:d4:16:40
> miibus1: <MII bus> on dc1
> ukphy1: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on
> miibus1
> ukphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX,
> 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> pcm1: <Yamaha DS-1E (YMF724F)> mem
> 0xd8000000-0xd8007fff irq 5 at device 10.0 on pci0
> pci0: <NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2 graphics
> accelerator> at 11.0 irq 12
> pcib1: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
> pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib1
> fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7
> irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
> fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
> fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
> atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port
> 0x60,0x64 on isa0
> atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
> kbd0 at atkbd0
> vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem
> 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
> sio0: type 16550A, console
> sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
> sio1: type 16550A
> ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on
> isa0
> ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
> plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
> lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
> lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
> IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized.  Default = pass all,
> Logging = enabled
> ad0: 19541MB <Maxtor 52049U4> [39703/16/63] at
> ata0-master UDMA66
> acd0: DVD-ROM <DVD-ROM BDV212B> at ata1-slave using
> PIO4
> Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> no such service
> --- David <davidd@datasphereweb.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:36:34AM -0800, Ray Qiu
> > wrote:
> > > I am using FreeBSD 4.2.  When I type dmesg, I see
> > a
> > > lot
> > > of messages: no such service.
> > > Who can tell me what it is?  How can I know what
> > > causes
> > > this problem?
> > you may want to include the relevant parts of dmesg.
> > 
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> > "I like the dreams of the future better than the
> > history of the past"
> >                                    -Thomas Jefferson
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> This is the results of a hardware failure. I just recently
> had the same
> problem, it was due to bad cache on my cpu. My suggestion is to
> try some different ram, and if that doesnt help, if you have another
> cpu you can throw in the system give that a try, otherwise go into
> your bios, and disable all cacheing. By doing so thou, you will slow
> your system down quite conciderably, so be prepared for it.

I was having similar problems with an overclocked cpu, a 233mmx
pentium (3.5@66) set to 250 (2.5@100).  I set it back to 233 and have
completed several make buildworlds without a hitch.

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Hi there,

I have a machine with serious resource limits, one of which is disk
space.  I have around 340MB free on this machine (it's a BASE install
with NO packages) and was wondering how much space I'm going to need to
do the make buildworld.  Does anyone have rough figures or even precise
numbers??  :)

If so I'd love to hear...

Cheers,
Marc

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xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> types:
> I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE ME
> UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.  THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
> MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
> SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE.  THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE!  LONG LIVE THE
> HIGHLANDER `GATES'.

Shouting again, eh?

There's been only one around my office for quite a while. FreeBSD does
everything I need. Windows is a nice children's OS, so I bought one of
those for my kids. Just goes to show that different people have
different needs.

If you don't like FreeBSD, don't use it. And don't whine like a
preschooler about it, because that won't get anything fixed.

Do you call MS tech support with this attitude? If so, I have to
wonder how many times they've hung up on you. If not, I have to wonder
if we should be charging you by the minute, like they do, so that
you'd act like an adult.

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i used about 300mb worth of diskspace for the /usr/src (after a
compile). I dont think you will have enough space on the device to do a
make buildworld.

FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Marc Silver wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I have a machine with serious resource limits, one of which is disk
> space.  I have around 340MB free on this machine (it's a BASE install
> with NO packages) and was wondering how much space I'm going to need to
> do the make buildworld.  Does anyone have rough figures or even precise
> numbers??  :)
> 
> If so I'd love to hear...
> 
> Cheers,
> Marc
> 
> -- 
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> 
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I get first dibs on invoicing this clown!

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> types:
> > I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE ME
> > UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.  THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
> > MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
> > SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE.  THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE!  LONG LIVE THE
> > HIGHLANDER `GATES'.
> 
> Shouting again, eh?
> 
> There's been only one around my office for quite a while. FreeBSD does
> everything I need. Windows is a nice children's OS, so I bought one of
> those for my kids. Just goes to show that different people have
> different needs.
> 
> If you don't like FreeBSD, don't use it. And don't whine like a
> preschooler about it, because that won't get anything fixed.
> 
> Do you call MS tech support with this attitude? If so, I have to
> wonder how many times they've hung up on you. If not, I have to wonder
> if we should be charging you by the minute, like they do, so that
> you'd act like an adult.
> 
> 	<mike
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Christopher Farley <chris@northernbrewer.com> types:
> Today I started tracking FreeBSD-STABLE (from 4.0-RELEASE). After it was
> all said an done, my sendmail 8.10.1 installation was trashed,
> despite having the NO_SENDMAIL flag set to "true" in /etc/make.conf.

What do you mean by "installation was trashed"?  I'm willing to
believe that a jump from 4.0-RELEASE to 4.2-STABLE would involve
changes that would make the binary not work. If so, then your problem
was seeijnt NO_SENDMAIL in the first place.

If, on the other hand, the configuration files in /etc were trashed,
that's a different matter. Those are *not* built or installed by
buildworld/installworld/world.  If you say how you updated the stuff
in /etc, we can diagnose the problem, and tell you what you did wrong,
or finger the bug that caused the problem so it can be fixed.

> I actually had NO_SENDMAIL=3DTRUE in the /etc/make.conf, however my
> current theory is that I should have had NO_SENDMAIL=3Dtrue. I assume
> make.conf is case sensitive?

No, it isn't. Having NO_SENDMAIL set to "true" (in lower case) in
/etc/make.conf does exactly what it says it does in
/etc/defaults/make.conf - it prevents the building or installing of
the sendmail and the associated *programs*.

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Paje da Oca <root@maloca.oca.org.br> types:
> After installing (twice!) 4.2-RELEASE, I could not
> get the commands "passwd" or "chsh" to work. They
> simply "freeze", until interrupted with CTL-C.
> 
> Am I missing something, or those commands are broken?

I'd be surprised if they were broken. The binaries you installed may
be corrupt on your system, but that's a different problem.

With no more information than that, it's hard to suggest anything
(unless you've seen this problem before, which I haven't). Try
gathering more information. Minimally, typing the status character
while they are "frozen" will tell you what they are doing. Compiling
and installing versions with the -g flag and without stripping the
binary will allow you to use gdb to grab the process and tell you
where they are doing it.

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Xavian MacPherson wrote:

> i tried to install xfree86 version 4.0
> after having first installed version 3.3.6 or whatever it was that was the
> base package.  after trying to do that, i nolonger had use of the
> x-terminal.  i tried to remove the version 4.0, but i got nowhere with that.
> i didn't want to erase everything that i had installed, just to start all
> over again.  i had downloaded over 8 GB's of software from the web. i did
> not want to go through that all over again.


I'm a newbie, having never used Unix or Linux before installing FreeBSD 2 
months ago on my home computer.  The only other OSs I've installed are W95 and 
W98.

Hamilton's suggestion about learning from the mail list is a good one.  I've 
asked some mighty dumb questions and received helpful responses.

Something else that would help is to invest $40 (or $25 if you subscribe) with 
Walnut Creek CD-ROM to get a set of FreeBSD CDs, if you don't have a burner to 
make a CD when you download.  I figured that, being a newbie, I'd have my 
share of screwups, and I didn't want to leave myself in the position of, as 
you say, having to download GBs of software all over again in order to fix 
them.  I had a similar problem with XFree86 4.0 (which from what you describe 
really seems to have caused the trouble rather than FreeBSD), but was simply 
able to reinstall 3.3.6 from the CD, and the system worked fine again.

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Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> * Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> > file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> > bytes, 
> > and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
> > an 
> > argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> > doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
> rm -- -help
> 
> or rm -i ?help

That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.

Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
"--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
always do "rm ./-help".

Trivia question: what two bytes can you *not* put in a Unix filename?

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Serial <luke@roberts.nl> types:
> Hi,
> 
> I've setup a FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE box to connect a network to the internet
> with natd and ipfw firewall.
> I've also setup the FreeBSD box to let teleworkers log in with FTP and
> telnet.
> 
> Now I would like to log FTP and telnet Log-in's from teleworkers who connect
> to the machine from the internet.
> I woul like to see the time and IP numer from which users Log-in.
> 
> I have looked at the /var/log/messages file but this only shows SU Login's.
> 
> All help is greatly appriciated!

man last(1).

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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:03:05PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Trivia question: what two bytes can you *not* put in a Unix filename?

ASCII NUL (0x00) and '/' (0x2f) ?

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while i was doing some upgrading, i think i accidently broke my MBR. I can
boot using a fixit disk, and mount everything nicely, but when I try to boot
regularly, the BIOS says "incorrect partition table" or something.

how would i rewrite that from either fixit or sysinstall?



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My best guess is that one of your NIC's, dc0 or dc1, is improperly
configured.  You can try disconnecting your cables to see if it will
reboot, or use the boot floppies or cdrom to check the configuration
of you network interfaces.

Kelly Hendrix
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
> Joe Oliveiro
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 3:38 PM
> To: Ray Qiu
> Cc: David; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: no such service
>
>
> I would check your startup scripts. It looks like its
> loading something
> with probably isnt supported in the kernel.
>
> FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!
>
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Ray Qiu wrote:
>
> > OK.  Here you go.
> > Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project.
> > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989,
> > 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
> >         The Regents of the University of California.
> > All rights reserved.
> > FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 29 20:54:18 PST 2000
> >     root@qiu.mycom.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/QIU
> > Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
> > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (800.03-MHz 686-class
> > CPU)
> >   Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x622  Stepping = 2
> >
> >
> Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MT
> RR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
> >   AMD Features=0xc0400000<AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
> > real memory  = 134152192 (131008K bytes)
> > avail memory = 127619072 (124628K bytes)
> > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc02fc000.
> > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
> > md0: Malloc disk
> > npx0: <math processor> on motherboard
> > npx0: INT 16 interface
> > pcib0: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
> > pci0: <PCI bus> on pcib0
> > pcib2: <PCI to PCI bridge (vendor=1106 device=8391)>
> > at device 1.0 on pci0
> > pci1: <PCI bus> on pcib2
> > isab0: <VIA 82C686 PCI-ISA bridge> at device 7.0 on
> > pci0
> > isa0: <ISA bus> on isab0
> > atapci0: <VIA 82C686 ATA66 controller> port
> > 0xc000-0xc00f at device 7.1 on pci0
> > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
> > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
> > pci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> at 7.2 irq 12
> > pci0: <VIA 83C572 USB controller> at 7.3 irq 12
> > pcm0: <VIA VT82C686A AC'97 Audio> port
> > 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff irq 5 at
> > device 7.5 on pci0
> > dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem
> > 0xd8009000-0xd80090ff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci0
> > dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:d4:2b:6c
> > miibus0: <MII bus> on dc0
> > ukphy0: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on
> > miibus0
> > ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX,
> > 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> > dc1: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem
> > 0xd8008000-0xd80080ff irq 11 at device 9.0 on pci0
> > dc1: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:d4:16:40
> > miibus1: <MII bus> on dc1
> > ukphy1: <Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface> on
> > miibus1
> > ukphy1:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX,
> > 100baseTX-FDX, auto
> > pcm1: <Yamaha DS-1E (YMF724F)> mem
> > 0xd8000000-0xd8007fff irq 5 at device 10.0 on pci0
> > pci0: <NVidia Riva Ultra Vanta TNT2 graphics
> > accelerator> at 11.0 irq 12
> > pcib1: <Host to PCI bridge> on motherboard
> > pci2: <PCI bus> on pcib1
> > fdc0: <NEC 72065B or clone> at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7
> > irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
> > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
> > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
> > atkbdc0: <Keyboard controller (i8042)> at port
> > 0x60,0x64 on isa0
> > atkbd0: <AT Keyboard> flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0
> > kbd0 at atkbd0
> > vga0: <Generic ISA VGA> at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem
> > 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0
> > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
> > sio0: type 16550A, console
> > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0
> > sio1: type 16550A
> > ppc0: <Parallel port> at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on
> > isa0
> > ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode
> > plip0: <PLIP network interface> on ppbus0
> > lpt0: <Printer> on ppbus0
> > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
> > ppi0: <Parallel I/O> on ppbus0
> > IP Filter: v3.4.8 initialized.  Default = pass all,
> > Logging = enabled
> > ad0: 19541MB <Maxtor 52049U4> [39703/16/63] at
> > ata0-master UDMA66
> > acd0: DVD-ROM <DVD-ROM BDV212B> at ata1-slave using
> > PIO4
> > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > no such service
> > --- David <davidd@datasphereweb.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 11:36:34AM -0800, Ray Qiu
> > > wrote:
> > > > I am using FreeBSD 4.2.  When I type dmesg, I see
> > > a
> > > > lot
> > > > of messages: no such service.
> > > > Who can tell me what it is?  How can I know what
> > > > causes
> > > > this problem?
> > > you may want to include the relevant parts of dmesg.
> > >
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Hi all,

It has been some time since I've done any serial port programming
and I find myself in need of a piece of code to get/set CTS, DTR,
and RTS, as well as being able to write stuff to the port.  Writing
stuff to the port I got.  I'm pretty sure I can (re)set DTR using
ioctl(2).  This is where my memory gets fuzzy.  I believe to set
CTS and RTS I need to be using termios along with tcsetattr and
tcgetattr.  Can anyone help refresh my memory and point me to the
FAQ or better yet some example code?

Thanks.

-steve


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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> What do you mean by "installation was trashed"?  I'm willing to
> believe that a jump from 4.0-RELEASE to 4.2-STABLE would involve
> changes that would make the binary not work. If so, then your problem
> was seeijnt NO_SENDMAIL in the first place.
> 
> If, on the other hand, the configuration files in /etc were trashed,
> that's a different matter. Those are *not* built or installed by
> buildworld/installworld/world.  If you say how you updated the stuff
> in /etc, we can diagnose the problem, and tell you what you did wrong,
> or finger the bug that caused the problem so it can be fixed.

You are correct. The problem is that I set NO_SENDMAIL=true...

I installed Sendmail 8.10.1 by hand when I installed FreeBSD
4.0-RELEASE. After I cvsupped new sources and did a make world, I
was running Sendmail 8.9.3! This confused me, as I assumed that
setting NO_SENDMAIL=true would prevent 'make world' from building
or installing Sendmail. I thought I could just build a new sendmail.cf
and get back up to speed, but m4 wanted to build V9 config files,
and Sendmail 8.9.3 only understands V8.

Of course, I later remembered that STABLE now has Sendmail 8.11.x, so
clearly the NO_SENDMAIL=true was not being ignored.

So my current theory is that the Sendmail that was installed was
the same Sendmail from the initial 4.0-RELEASE. *Something* in the
upgrade trashed Sendmail 8.10.1, and I haven't really been able to
figure out what. 

Anyway, Postfix was *very* easy to install. Probably quicker than
restoring Sendmail from tape.

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While we are on the subject of sendmail, what if I do not have that
installed but I have some programs [ie crond] that use sendmail by
default, can I just make a link from sendmail to say qmail/postfix?  Or
would that still mess up/confuse the program?

And just a survey for myself, what does everyone use? and why?

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--- Christoph Sold <so@server.i-clue.de> wrote:
> Ana Romero wrote:
> 
> > Probably, you have seen this question but it can
> be answered and everybody
> > tells me to ask here.
> > 
> > Hello!
> > 
> > After installing FreeBSD 4.0., I try to boot from
> > the hard disk, but the boot manager prompt prints:
> > Loading FreeBSD
> > L?
> > 
> > at the boot menu. What can I do?
> > 
> > I have Lilo boot manager installed. After printing
> "Loading FreeBSD L?",
> > the system is dead, I mean, keyboard doesn´t work
> and the system is not
> > loaded.
> > I have thought that it can be the geometry of the
> hard disk, but I have
> > changed putting the same as in BIOS and also no
> works.
> 
> Although it should be possible to have Lilo boot
> FreeBSD, most people 
> running FreeBSD prefer either BootEasy ot OS-BS.
> Both are available at 
> your local FreeBSD mirror in the tools directory.
> 
> Since I use both of them, I cannot tell you have to
> tweak Lilo (short 
> for Linux Loader ;) ) into behaving with FBSD.
> 
> HTH
> -Christoph Sold
> 
> Send me a copy of your lilo.conf file in /etc
directory.  Use LBA for the geometry in the BIOS.  If
you placed the root partition for BSD past the 1024
cylinder limit then you will get this error also.
> Hope this helps, Ian
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Christopher Farley <chris@northernbrewer.com> types:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:
> 
> > What do you mean by "installation was trashed"?  I'm willing to
> > believe that a jump from 4.0-RELEASE to 4.2-STABLE would involve
> > changes that would make the binary not work. If so, then your problem
> > was seeijnt NO_SENDMAIL in the first place.
> > 
> > If, on the other hand, the configuration files in /etc were trashed,
> > that's a different matter. Those are *not* built or installed by
> > buildworld/installworld/world.  If you say how you updated the stuff
> > in /etc, we can diagnose the problem, and tell you what you did wrong,
> > or finger the bug that caused the problem so it can be fixed.
> 
> You are correct. The problem is that I set NO_SENDMAIL=true...
> 
> I installed Sendmail 8.10.1 by hand when I installed FreeBSD
> 4.0-RELEASE. After I cvsupped new sources and did a make world, I
> was running Sendmail 8.9.3! This confused me, as I assumed that
> setting NO_SENDMAIL=true would prevent 'make world' from building
> or installing Sendmail. I thought I could just build a new sendmail.cf
> and get back up to speed, but m4 wanted to build V9 config files,
> and Sendmail 8.9.3 only understands V8.

The things is, "NO_SENDMAIL=true" *does* prevent sendmail from being
built or installed! At least, it does for me (I'm using qmail). My
guess is that you installed sendmail 8.10.1 someplace other than where
FreeBSD keeps it, and in the process of upgrading to -STABLE, the
configuration changes you made so that the system ran 8.10.1 were
undone, leaving you running the default system version. Except you
didn't make and install a new version, so you got the 8.9.3 from 4.0
instead of the 8.11.x that -STABLE would have put there.

You should leave NO_SENDMAIL=true in place, as it will save you the
time to build and install sendmail. You can also verify that it's not
updated.

	<mike
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Hi there,

            My ISP has arnd 300,000 users here in Singapore. Their MTA is
Sendmail on a few Sun boxes. They  have been experiencing problems on high
load and mail delays :)  I am using postfix btw.

Regards,

James Lim


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> While we are on the subject of sendmail, what if I do not have that
> installed but I have some programs [ie crond] that use sendmail by
> default, can I just make a link from sendmail to say qmail/postfix?  Or
> would that still mess up/confuse the program?
>
> And just a survey for myself, what does everyone use? and why?
>
> **Random Fortune for this instance of pine**
> Sex is a natural bodily process, like a stroke.
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I just tried burning a cd and it went through the entire write, but failed w/
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Does postfix use the same /var/mail/ scheme as sendmail ?


>From: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
>To: "Peter" <peterk@americanisp.net>, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>Subject: Re: Postfix vs. Sendmail
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 05:34:34 +0800
>
>Hi there,
>
>             My ISP has arnd 300,000 users here in Singapore. Their MTA is
>Sendmail on a few Sun boxes. They  have been experiencing problems on high
>load and mail delays :)  I am using postfix btw.
>
>Regards,
>
>James Lim
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> > While we are on the subject of sendmail, what if I do not have that
> > installed but I have some programs [ie crond] that use sendmail by
> > default, can I just make a link from sendmail to say qmail/postfix?  Or
> > would that still mess up/confuse the program?
> >
> > And just a survey for myself, what does everyone use? and why?
> >
> > **Random Fortune for this instance of pine**
> > Sex is a natural bodily process, like a stroke.
> >
> >
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I've checked three dictionaries and all report the pronunciation as 
til duh (where the duh is a schwa).

I like /etc rhymes with "mets." But then I also, on purely aesthetic
grounds, prefer "leye' nucks" to "lin' ucks" which sounds to me like a
poorly implemented scripting language at best--not manly at all. 

;-)

-John

Chameleon writes:

> At 03:32 PM 11/30/00, John Baldwin wrote:
> 
> >On 30-Nov-00 Chris Hill wrote:
> > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > >
> > >> /etc "etcetera" (some reprobates say E T C)
> > >
> > > Some even worse reprobates (myself included) say ET-see.
> >
> >I prefer ET-see as well.
> >
> > >> Or "#"
> > >>
> > >> The English say "hash", some australians say "crunch"
> > >> Americans says (bizarrely) "pound" .. yes yes I know why :)
> > >
> > > And there are always the pedants who say "octothorpe."
> > >
> > > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> >
> >I say TIL-day, but I'm just a youngin'
> 
> :)
> i'm just a youngin too,
> but i've always said TIL-dee
> 
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Peace,


  I need to connect two machine throu 1 dialup internet account.
  One machine is FreeBSD 3.2 release, which i will use it to dialup
  to the internet.
  and the other machine is windows 98. which will take the internet
  from the fBSD.

  I already connect 2 cables to the HUB between the 2 machines.
  (3Com NC)

  I can connect to the internet throu my fBSD box,

  question is... How do i run the internet on the windows 98 throu my
  small fBSD LAN.

  In normal 2 windows operating systems i set a proxy software throu one
  and use the other.. here what i do ?

  Thanks for reading.



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rm -rf "-help" 

will remove the file

FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> > * Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> > > file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> > > bytes, 
> > > and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
> > > an 
> > > argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> > > doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
> > rm -- -help
> > 
> > or rm -i ?help
> 
> That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
> of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
> the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.
> 
> Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
> "--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
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> 
> Trivia question: what two bytes can you *not* put in a Unix filename?
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 08:24:54 +0800 (SGT), Lim Wee Guan wrote:

>I installed netscape 6.0 for linux with no difficulty, but it appears full of bugs namely,
>
>1)  No access to https sites

I had success with https after deactivating ssl 3 and tls in the security manager.

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I'm getting an error when I try to boot into FreeBSD 4.0.  I loaded the =
OS with no problems.  I loaded the Standard bootmanager, and did an =
auto-config for partitioning my hard drive.  After installation, the =
computer restarted and went into bsd with no problems.  The next time I =
restarted, and now every time I try to boot up, here's what happens:

(goes through initial boot process fine, memory test, device =
listing....)

Updating DMI Pool Data ..................Update Success
Not ufs
Not ufs
No /boot/loader

>>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:
Not ufs
No /kernel

>>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:=20

And the curser flashes there.  Help!!  I can't get it to boot!  I've =
tried reinstalling it totally, and it does the same thing.
Any help on this would be appreciated.  Thanks!

-Steve

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm getting an error when I try to boot =
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FreeBSD 4.0.&nbsp; I loaded the OS with no problems.&nbsp; I loaded the =
Standard=20
bootmanager, and did an&nbsp;auto-config for partitioning my hard =
drive.&nbsp;=20
After installation, the computer restarted and went into bsd with no=20
problems.&nbsp; The next time I restarted, and now every time&nbsp;I try =
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up, here's what happens:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(goes through initial boot process =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Updating DMI Pool Data =
..................Update=20
Success</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not ufs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not ufs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No /boot/loader</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;&gt;FreeBSD/i386 BOOT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>boot:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not ufs</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No /kernel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt;&gt;FreeBSD/i386 BOOT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>boot: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And the curser flashes there.&nbsp; =
Help!!&nbsp; I=20
can't get it to boot!&nbsp; I've tried reinstalling it totally, and it =
does the=20
same thing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any help on this would be =
appreciated.&nbsp;=20
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Peter wrote:

> While we are on the subject of sendmail, what if I do not have that
> installed but I have some programs [ie crond] that use sendmail by
> default, can I just make a link from sendmail to say qmail/postfix?  Or
> would that still mess up/confuse the program?
 
I can't speak for qmail, but Postfix has its own sendmail binary which
it installs in /usr/local/sbin. If that's in your path, just rename the
old sendmail binary to something like sendmail.OLD.

Same with mailq and newaliases.

> And just a survey for myself, what does everyone use? and why?

Postfix, because it took less than an hour to build, install, and
configure. 

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* Reinaldo Rios <reinaldo_rios@hotmail.com> [001201 14:28] wrote:
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yup.

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When I mount my 2 nd hardisk that is wd1.. it says "drive /dev/wd1:
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Joe Oliveiro <joe@advancewebhosting.com> types:
> rm -rf "-help" 
> 
> will remove the file

Did you try it before posting? Here's what happened when I tried it:

	guru$ touch ./-help
	guru$ rm -rf "-help"
	rm: illegal option -- h
	usage: rm [-f | -i] [-dPRrvW] file ...
	       unlink file
	guru$ 

And it's the same reason as before - the leading '-' gets seen by rm
as an options indicator, and then 'h' is an illegal option. To remove
a file with a leading '-', you have to either hide the leading '-'
(which is what ./-help does), or convince rm to not look for options
(which is what '--' does).

	<mike

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> 
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:
> 
> > Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> > > * Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> > > > file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> > > > bytes, 
> > > > and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
> > > > an 
> > > > argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> > > > doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
> > > rm -- -help
> > > 
> > > or rm -i ?help
> > 
> > That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
> > of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
> > the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.
> > 
> > Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
> > "--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
> > always do "rm ./-help".
> > 
> > Trivia question: what two bytes can you *not* put in a Unix filename?
> > 
> > 	<mike
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, gaurdian gaurdian wrote:

> Does postfix use the same /var/mail/ scheme as sendmail ?
> 

It's flexible and can use either mbox or Maildir format.

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Usually the rm -rf "foo" works for trival filename for me, but i will
recheck things before i post answers!

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> Joe Oliveiro <joe@advancewebhosting.com> types:
> > rm -rf "-help" 
> > 
> > will remove the file
> 
> Did you try it before posting? Here's what happened when I tried it:
> 
> 	guru$ touch ./-help
> 	guru$ rm -rf "-help"
> 	rm: illegal option -- h
> 	usage: rm [-f | -i] [-dPRrvW] file ...
> 	       unlink file
> 	guru$ 
> 
> And it's the same reason as before - the leading '-' gets seen by rm
> as an options indicator, and then 'h' is an illegal option. To remove
> a file with a leading '-', you have to either hide the leading '-'
> (which is what ./-help does), or convince rm to not look for options
> (which is what '--' does).
> 
> 	<mike
> 
> > FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!
> > 
> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > 
> > > Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> > > > * Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> > > > > file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> > > > > bytes, 
> > > > > and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
> > > > > an 
> > > > > argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> > > > > doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
> > > > rm -- -help
> > > > 
> > > > or rm -i ?help
> > > 
> > > That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
> > > of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
> > > the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.
> > > 
> > > Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
> > > "--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
> > > always do "rm ./-help".
> > > 
> > > Trivia question: what two bytes can you *not* put in a Unix filename?
> > > 
> > > 	<mike
> > > --
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Peter <peterk@americanisp.net> types:
> While we are on the subject of sendmail, what if I do not have that
> installed but I have some programs [ie crond] that use sendmail by
> default, can I just make a link from sendmail to say qmail/postfix?  Or
> would that still mess up/confuse the program?

FreeBSD has solved this problem for any MTA that provides a sendmail
command API. You edit /etc/mail/mailer.conf so it points at that MTAs
version of sendmail (and mailq, and newaliases, for that matter), and
the binaries installed where programs look for
sendmail/mailq/newaliases will do the right thing.

> And just a survey for myself, what does everyone use? and why?
Christopher Farley <chris@northernbrewer.com> types:
> Postfix, because it took less than an hour to build, install, and
> configure. 

That's pretty much why I use qmail. Of course, postfix wasn't out of
beta when I switched.

Alex Charalabidis <alex@wnm.net> types:
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, gaurdian gaurdian wrote:
> > Does postfix use the same /var/mail/ scheme as sendmail ?
> It's flexible and can use either mbox or Maildir format.

I think you answered the wrong question (but I don't have the answer
to the right one). Qmail puts binaries, man pages, etc into
/var/mail. The port claims that it can be installed in ${LOCALBASE}
instead, but I've not been able to convince that to work
properly. This is a different issue from the mailbox format. After
all, qmail can deliver either to a maildir or to a berkeley mbox.

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Peter Lai <PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu> types:
> i am trying to use `mount_ext2fs -o rw /dev/ad0s2 /mnt/lin' and
> vfsload(ext2fs) says "no file or directory".

What's the exact text of the error message - you need that to tell.

> what's up with that? i have a suspicion it's because it's a fresh install of
> freebsd and there aren't any kernel modules for ext2 yet. (i'm still using
> the generic kernel)

Well, I get that error message if either 1) the mount point (/mnt/lin)
doesn't exist, or 2) the kernel module ext2fs.o doesn't exist. So you
could be right, or it could be that you need to do a mkdir on
/mnt/lin.

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So go whine at the people you gave the $60 to, not the *volunteers*
who are on the -questions list. You might as well drop me from the CC
list - the only whining children I have to deal with are mine; except
they've grown past acting like you do. Once I read the claim that you
paid for the right, I stopped reading.

=09<mike

xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> types:
> i paid for the right to whine!  i still have a $60 box of software th=
at is
> nothing more than a doorstop. ironically, the only way that i may be =
able to
> use the software on the freebsd cd's, is to buy a MICROSOFT PRODUCT a=
ka
> INTERIX.  THE ONLY REDEMPTION YOU HAVE NOW IS TO WRITE A FREEBSD KERN=
EL THAT
> FUNCTIONS AS A DLL OR EXE IN WINDOWS!  if you can make all of the sta=
bility
> features of freebsd portable to windows, such that freebsd becomes a =
package
> that windows users can add-on to their existing platform, to function=
 in the
> same way as the ANTICRASH and other utilities that i have running on =
my
> system, then you may have some sort of redemption in terms of a futur=
e.  but
> based on what i have included in this email below, freebsd and everyo=
ne elso
> too) has a very limited term of existance in the face of increasing
> MICROSOFT encroachment into unix interoperability.  UNIX WILL BECOME =
A
> UTILITY FOR WINDOWS.  think i'm crazy?  read (the third paragrph) bel=
ow!
> THE ONLY THING THAT PREVENTED MICROSOFT FROM HAVING ABSOLUTE DOMINANC=
E
> BEFORE, WAS IT'S LACK OF A VIABLE UNIX IMPLEMENTATION.  even APPLE co=
mputer
> now has a linux platform.  when MICROSOFT does with linux what freebs=
d did,
> and allows linux to run in windows NT/2000, linux and unix will fall =
under
> the single auspices of MICROSOFT.  whether that will be functionally =
true or
> not is irrelevant.  MICROSOFT ONLY HAS TO CREATE THE IMPRESSION OR
> APPEARANCE OF COMPLETE INTEROPERABILITY.  ONCE MICROSOFT HAS NEGATED =
THE
> ARGUEMENT OF WINDOWS VS UNIX (BY PORTING UNIX TO WINDOWS) THERE WILL
> NOLONGER BE ANY ATTENTION PAID TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WINDOWS.  IT WA=
S A
> HEROIC ATTEMPT AT THE PRESIDENCY, BUT MICROSOFT CONTROLS THE ELECTION=
!  IT'S
> OVER!!
>=20
> [this paragraph was written before i added everything about INTERIX i=
n the
> paragraph above.  i only leave this here as history, as freebsd will =
shortly
> become.  MS INTERIX may answer all of the questions and aspirations i=

> previously had.]  THE QUESTION WAS, WHEN WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO INSTA=
LL
> FREEBSD FROM WINDOWS NT WITHOUT HAVING TO USE BOOT DISKS TO DO SO.  I=
 GEUSS
> YOU DIDN'T READ THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE EMAIL.  I THINK THAT IS WHAT =
IT (THE
> SUBJECTLINE) IS FOR.  IT STATED VERY CLEARLY THE INTENT, PURPOSE AND
> QUESTION POSED BY THE EMAIL.  i geuss i was wrong to believe the adve=
rtising
> on the box.  i had no reason, based on what was purported in the the
> statement of `professional quality', `for serious internet users', et=
c.to
> mean that freebsd would offer a LOWER LEVEL OF COMPATABLITY than the =
linux
> systems i had previously used.  i brought freebsd because i thought i=
t would
> give me the level of interoperabilty that i wanted.  what i wanted wa=
s a
> single OSystem that would run linux and unix on one single platform. =
 the
> sad fact is that even if i did get it running, i still wouldn't have =
use of
> my cdrom or the scsi disk which i had previously used with both linux=

> versions (and now NT as well) for the exclusive purpose of virtual me=
mory
> space.  i am not about to go out and buy a new scsi controller to mak=
e-up
> for the shortcomings of one operating system.  freebsd was supposed t=
o have
> been around longer than linux.  why then is it deficient in the area =
of
> drivers for ancient equipment that were clearly around before linux e=
ven
> existed?   this is really not an issue of age or maturity regarding a=

> specific OS.  it is a matter of intent.  linux strove for universalit=
y from
> it's inception.  maybe i am way off base.  i am often wrong.  but i d=
o know
> that i wanted a single OS that would handle unix and linux.  (I HAD N=
O
> DESIRE TO GO BACK TO WINDOWS!!)  SINGLE SYSTEM INTEROPERABLITY is wha=
t
> freebsd claimed to do.  that is why i brought it.  i thought i would =
not be
> without ANY of the functionality i came to expect from linux.  freebs=
d did
> not deliver on the satisfaction of my expectations which were in fact=

> reasonable, based on the statements i read on the box.  superior is j=
ust
> that, SUPERIOR!  it is a term of absolutes.  it is was also further c=
laimed
> in the 800 page handbook (which was my main reason for buying the
> power-pak), that freebsd had a higher level of developement than linu=
x and
> was therefore more stable as a result.  (based on these claims, why s=
hould i
> have expected to not be able to use the equipemnt i was already using=
 in
> linux?)  i had no reason to think that freebsd was in being selective=
 in
> it's statements of superiority.  that box should have had a big asteR=
ISK! on
> it.  with more emphasis on RISK!  as in buy at your own RISK!; the
> statements made herein do not reflect the qualitites purported to be =
true.
>=20
> now, while you gloat at the apparent triumph the unix community may t=
hink it
> gained by MS buying INTERIX and now including it as part of the windo=
ws
> environment, IT IS NOT A TRIUMPH.  the bottomline is that MS is not a=
bout to
> go away.  YOU CAN THINK OF THIS MICROSOFT ACQUISITION AS THE ANT OR W=
ASP (i
> forget which does what to whom) THAT LAYS IT'S EGGS IN THE BODY OF TH=
E
> OTHER, ONLY TO HAVE IT'S LARVAE EAT IT'S HOST FROM THE INSIDE OUT!!  =
they
> will never forfeit their dominance on the computing community, no mat=
ter how
> infantile you may think their systems are.  MS  will eat you from the=
 inside
> out.  as i stated in another email, MS  can integrate any opensource =
unix
> (and/or linux) into the windows environment it wants to.  and it will=
.  it
> (MS) has already stated that they are going include INTERIX into the
> SERVICES FOR UNIX in future releases.  when MS completely integrates =
unix
> (INTERIX) into windows 2000, so that any unix application can run on =
that
> (win2000) platform, without having a separate unix kernel to provide =
that
> functionality, NOONE WILL WRITE UNIX APPLICATIONS FOR ANYTHING ELSE T=
HAN
> WHAT MICROSOFT DECLARES IS THE LEGITIMATE UNIX ENVIRONMENT FOR WINDOW=
S (AND
> HENCE THE WORLD)!  microsoft has the power to make such a pronounceme=
nt for
> all the world to follow.  and once said, the world will do just that,=

> FOLLOW!  including you!
>=20
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/zipdocs/interix_technotes.exe  t=
his is
> the link for all the documentation regarding the functionaslity of IN=
TERIX
> in the windows environment.  of course you need windows to read it. s=
o for
> those of you who don't have windows, i'll download and extract it, an=
d
> repackage it as a zip file to attach to this email.  even if you don'=
t use
> windows at all, it makes sense to know what MICROSOFT intends to do w=
ith the
> unix community.  CANNABALISM couldn't be better!
>=20
> "Interix 2.2 is a perfect complement to our current UNIX interoperabi=
lity
> solution, and in the future, we plan to combine this functionality wi=
th
> Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX into one comprehensive UNIX appli=
cation
> migration and interoperability solution."   DO YOU SEE THE WRITING ON=
 THE
> WALL?
>=20
> ANY CLAIM THAT YOU MAKE AGAINST THE LEGITIMACY OF RUNNING UNIX IN WIN=
DOWS,
> CAN BE EQUALLY MADE AGAINST RUNNING LINUX IN FREEBSD.  WHAT JUSTIFIES=
 ONE
> JUSTIFIES THE OTHER!!  Microsoft may get it wrong to start out with, =
but
> that won't be the case for long.  they want absolute domination.  and=
 they
> will do whatever it takes to do that.  INTERIX is the "shot across th=
e bow"
> of the unix community.  it serves to give notice of the MS agenda to =
usurp
> any legitimacy of unix as their own.  when (previously unix) develope=
rs
> realize that they have the absolute standard of windows on which to b=
uild
> their packages, all further unix developement will be windows unix (a=
s
> defined only by MICROSOFT) developement.  it will nolonger be a matte=
r of
> which version of unix is superior to another.  that question will be =
MOOT.
> it will be as it has always been, a question of profitability and exp=
ense.
> NO, I DON'T REALLU LIKE THE IDEA OF ONLY HAVING MICROSOFT CONTROLLING=

> EVERYTHING.  but there are plenty of things in this life that i don't=

> particularly like.  and my or your disliking the reality of the world=
 in
> which we live, does not change that world.  only intelligent directed=
 action
> will do that.  my statement about writing the freebsd kernel as a win=
dows
> dll or exe mayseem reprehensible to you, but ultimately your survival=
 will
> depend on that very act of infiltration.  you cannot stop the INEVITA=
BILITY
> of MICROSOFT porting unix into windows NT/2000.  that is clearly thei=
r
> intent.  noone is going to want to write unix apllications that don't=

> conform to any standards that MICROSOFT imposes by the dictates of th=
eir
> massive dominance.
>=20
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/interix/default.asp
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/interix/features.asp
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2000/Feb00/InterixPR.asp
>=20
> "Interix provided all of the UNIX functionality necessary to efficien=
tly
> move the code to Windows NT," Klinect said. "One of the key advantage=
s was
> that the code ported to Interix could still be deployed on the IRS' l=
egacy
> UNIX systems during its transition to Windows NT, maintaining the req=
uired
> 24x7 full functionality for this mission-critical application."
>=20
> Interix 2.2 eases the migration of existing UNIX applications and scr=
ipts by
> providing a robust, high-performance environment for running such
> applications. It allows users with UNIX environments to take advantag=
e of
> the benefits of the Windows environment without having to rewrite cri=
tical
> applications. In addition, users can immediately use the full Windows=
-based
> application development environment to develop native Win32=AE API-ba=
sed
> applications. Interix 2.2 provides over 300 utilities and tools and i=
s fully
> integrated with the Windows desktop, security model and file system. =
Interix
> 2.2 is a native subsystem to Windows, providing the highest performan=
ce for
> running UNIX applications. The Interix 2.2 Software Development Kit, =
which
> is included with Interix 2.2, supports over 1,900 UNIX APIs and helps=
 ease
> migration of existing UNIX applications to the Interix environment.
>=20
> Interix 2.2 provides UNIX users with a familiar environment and set o=
f tools
> to leverage their existing UNIX expertise. For example, the tools and=

> utilities behave exactly as they would on other UNIX systems while
> preserving the look and feel of UNIX applications, which eliminates t=
he need
> to retrain users. Interix 2.2 also provides extensive scripting suppo=
rt and
> enables users to maintain the use of common scripting languages and t=
ools.
>=20
> <IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT FREE=
BSD!!>
>=20
> Interix 2.2 brings Microsoft customers one step closer to its vision =
of a
> single desktop computer for all uses by providing a complete enterpri=
se
> platform to run all Windows-based, UNIX and Internet applications. In=
terix
> 2.2 also helps simplify the administration of heterogeneous environme=
nts by
> providing UNIX system administrators with access to Windows-based sys=
tems
> using familiar tools and management strategies, thus reducing system
> administration and total cost of ownership. Interix 2.2 also provides=
 system
> administrators with a familiar set of remote administration tools and=
 batch
> support, enabling efficient system administration.
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Meyer" <mwm@mired.org>
> To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
> Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:54 PM
> Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot di=
sks
>=20
>=20
> > I hope you enjoyed writing your troll. I only wish you had been mat=
ure
> > enough to post it to the correct list, or not to post it at all. Th=
is
> > is QUESTIONS@freebsd.org. You didn't ask any. Since your message wa=
s
> > nothing but opinion and ranting, it should have gone to
> > ADVOCACY@freebsd.org.
> >
> > If you don't like FreeBSD because it won't do what you want, either=

> > don't use, or fix it. If you don't have the expertise to fix it,
> > either hire someone, or ask politely. Coming off like a whining
> > preschooler won't get you help, it'll just make people mad at you.
> >
> > <mike
> >
> >
> >
> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
> this is an updated version of the letter previously sent.
>=20
> ORIGINAL MESSAGE
> xavian anderson macpherson
> http://www.professional3d.com
>=20
> i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able t=
o get
> it to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the powe=
r-pak
> 4.0 so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted freebsd be=
cause i
> thought it would be the last system i would ever need to buy.)  i als=
o
> wanted the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact of the matter=
 is
> that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recogniz=
e my
> multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  which by the way, bo=
th
> versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows nt were able to use=

> without any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the repeated claims =
of
> freebsd superiority to be a bunch of crap!
>=20
> i have absolutely no idea how something so superior to windows and li=
nux is
> unable to recognize the presense of my adaptec aha152x scsi adaptor o=
n my
> soundblaster 16 card.  maybe it's too beneath freebsd to recognize my=
 lowly
> implementation of scsi.  i knew that freebsd claimed to be mature; ma=
ybe
> poor vision is also the side-effect of this protracted maturity.  eit=
her
> that or this maturity has imbued you with yet another ailment common =
to
> advancing age.  that ailment is arrogance.   that seems to be the onl=
y
> explanation for this;  as the common response that i have received fr=
om many
> but not all, has been one of arrogance and contempt that i would dare=
 to
> question the godlike qualities of freebsd.  so let me make it persona=
l.
> there is no problem with my scsi card.  i have had three working oper=
ating
> system to prove it.  the problem is with the software (and it's devel=
opers)
> that freebsd uses.  now you may like to claim that linux is a develop=
er
> system.  but the fact is, that those (infantile) developers seem to b=
e doing
> a much (indisputably) better job of handling the developement of driv=
ers
> than freebsd.
>=20
> i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation; nega=
ting
> the very purpose for which i purchased the power-pak (as everything t=
hat is
> in the power-pak can be had on the net).  after installing the system=
 from
> the net, it ran just long enough for me to try to install the XFREE86=
 4.0,
> which then made my system inoperable.  after that i was never able to=
 get it
> to run again.  quite some time later after all of this, i tried to cr=
eate
> bootdisks for the latest version of freebsd.  when i went to reboot m=
y
> system with these new disks, the system said that there was no kernel=
 on the
> floppies.  you make sense of it.  i created the disks using a command=
line
> instruction within NT.  the first disks that i made were done with li=
nux.
> as i nolonger have a running linux system, i cannot revert to it to m=
ake the
> bootdisks for freebsd.  so either i have a freebsd installation syste=
m which
> runs from NT  without rebooting, or it's unusable.  i mean let's get =
real.
> if linux can (and does) allow for it (linux) to be run on a windows (=
not NT)
> formatted disk, what the hell is the reason that freebsd can't do the=
 same
> and better (as you so fraudulently claim).  and don't tell me how poo=
r of a
> solution the UMSDOS is.  certainly if freebsd is so advanced, there i=
s no
> excuse for there not being an even better system available from freeb=
sd; and
> especially for NT.  since NT is the highend of the windows system, it=
 only
> makes sense that freebsd should be directed towards providing REAL SO=
LUTIONS
> for NT.  i don't want to hear excuses.  I WANT RESULTS!
>=20
> NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an inte=
grated
> compressed filesystem.  with it, i have increased my storage space by=
 no
> less than 35%.  if you had the same feature, i would have 5GB's  of
> effective space instead of only 3.7GB's available for freebsd.  but a=
t this
> point in time, i am not willing to install freebsd until the aforemen=
tion
> criteria are met.  if someone knows of a single package that i can in=
stall
> on my existing NT platform, that will allow for the seemless operatio=
n of
> unix programs as though they were native windows applications, i for =
one
> would like to hear about it.  i just went to the windows site and fou=
nd
> something they call WINDOWS SERVICES FOR UNIX 2.0.  i don't know how =
long it
> had been around or how good it is.  i found it by simply typing `wind=
owsnt
> unix' into my browsers address bar to get a search on those keywords.=

>=20
> http://shop.microsoft.com/Products/Products_Feed/Online/WindowsServic=
esforUN
> IX[759]/ProductOverview.asp
>=20
> i just found what may be the very thing i was asking for.  after writ=
ing the
> above paragraph, i went back to the link above and did further readin=
g.  i
> came across something called INTERIX.  so once again i did a net sear=
ch and
> came up with a site that sells it.  in reading, i found that it is no=
w a MS
> unix-product.  it seems to provide the unix components to windows NT =
class
> environments.  i will do more reseach on this.  and if i find it to b=
e
> usable, i'll buy it.  putting an end to any further questions about f=
reebsd
> or any other variant of unix or linux.  let's face it, MS is in a muc=
h
> better position to employ unix components such as freebsd than the re=
verse.
> you might as well look at the writing on the wall.  the very openness=
 that
> allows anyone to use freebsd and linux source code, allows MS to add =
it to
> their own systems without anyone having any right to complain about i=
t.  as
> long as MS uses an open source version of unix, they could do anythin=
g they
> want to integrate it into the existing windows environment.  and all =
that
> any of you can do is sit back and wipe your eyes.  WHIMPER WHIMPER WH=
IMPER!!
> you have basically written your own obituarary.  because windows can =
freely
> integrate open source systems, but the same is not true of the open s=
ource
> community.  hence there will ultimately be no justification for your
> existance.  you will be relegated to the status of footnote; and fran=
kly the
> sooner the better.  the system that MS ultimately chooses for their
> integrated environment, will become the status quo.  if you thought t=
hat
> windows was dominant before, wait until they put unix interoperabilit=
y into
> the windows NT/2000 framework.  your only choice is to set the lead, =
by
> beating MS to the punch.  and that can only be done if you make freeb=
sd and
> linux operate from within NT/2000 before MS does.  because mock my wo=
rd.  it
> will happen.  and you will be left out in the cold with the tears fro=
zen to
> your face.  ; )
>=20
> ALL OF WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN in the paragraphs BELOW IS NOW MOOT.  I HA=
VE
> FOUND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS I HAD ABOVE.  INTERIX 2.2  the only=
 thing
> that you will possibly have over MS is price.  yes their prices are
> rediculous.  but then, based on my experience with freebsd and linux,=
 that
> old saying of `you get what you pay for', has never been more truthfu=
l.
> don't bother bitching about my remarks.  as i have already seen that =
i am
> not the only one who has made them.  i simply represent your best hop=
e of
> survival.  i am a windows user that tried linux and then freebsd.  an=
d i
> have done so at an expense that is completely unrecoverable.  if you =
don't
> like my attitude, just remember that there are thousands of prospecti=
ve
> users just like me who will be no more tolerable of your shortcomings=
 than i
> have been.  and your arrogance will be your destruction.  something i=
 will
> greatly revel in.  you purported to be the final solution to my and
> everyoine else's problem with regards to internet computing systems. =
 that's
> a lie.
>=20
> http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/-s/fp_47736
> http://www.provantage.com/FC_MCSB.HTM
>=20
> quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome f=
or NT,
> i would probably never look back to linux or freebsd.  i have already=
 found
> numerous unix components to run under windows.  and once i have learn=
ed how
> to use all of them, that will probably settle once and for all the qu=
estion
> of which system to use. ATT and others make various products which al=
low for
> the running of unix programs in a windows environment.  i had some of=
 them
> installed before i reinstalled NT and thereby erased those systems.  =
i am
> now deciding which ones to reinstall.
>=20
> so the bottomline is this.  when i am able to install freebsd from a =
running
> windows nt system without the use of bootdisks (which supply the mean=
s to
> create and write to UFS, then and only then will i be willing to use
> freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly frus=
tated
> with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional heterogenious
> operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and freebsd on the =
same
> computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS COMPRESSED).  if =
freebsd
> is not capable of being installed from a running NT-environment witho=
ut
> having to be rebooted, that is an absolutely indisputable indicator t=
hat
> freebsd cannot operate cohesively within an NT-system. it's not up to=

> microsoft to provide the means to read and write between NTFS and UFS=

> without the question of damaging either system.  freebsd is the alien=
, not
> MS.  when freebsd generates the code that allows NT to write to UFS a=
nd UFS
> to write to NTFS COMPRESSED, then and only then will freebsd be a leg=
itamate
> addition to my NT environment.  until then, it's just crap!
>=20
>=20
>=20
--
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:03:05PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> > * Daniel Bye <Daniel.Bye@uk.uu.net> [001201 05:21]:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Here's a question for a Friday morning...  Somehow, I have ended up with a 
> > > file named -help in my home directory.  How can I get rid of it?  It is 0
> > > bytes, 
> > > and if I try to rm, mv, unlink it etc, the shell interprets the file name as
> > > an 
> > > argument to the program and spews forth errors.  Backslash escaping it 
> > > doesn't work, and neither does quoting it.
> > rm -- -help
> > 
> > or rm -i ?help
> 
> That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
> of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
> the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.
You are wrong btw, "rm -- -help" will work just fine :)
"--" is a feature of rm (and mv etc) to get around this very problem.
Before saying "that's wont work", take 23 seconds to try it out.

Cliff

> 
> Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
> "--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
> always do "rm ./-help".
> 
> Trivia question: what two bytes can you *not* put in a Unix filename?
> 
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> Does FreeBSD run on laptop computers?

Yes, most perform well, I currently run FreeBSD 4.0 on my Thinkpad 365XD,
with a few X problems, but none with FreeBSD.
See http://www.jp.freebsd.org/PAO/ for some more support info.



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Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:03:05PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> > > rm -- -help
> > > 
> > > or rm -i ?help
> > 
> > That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
> > of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
> > the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.
> You are wrong btw, "rm -- -help" will work just fine :)
> "--" is a feature of rm (and mv etc) to get around this very problem.
> Before saying "that's wont work", take 23 seconds to try it out.

Actually, I *knew* it would work. What doesn't work is "rm -i ?help".
I thought I made it clear which of the two I was talking about in the
second paragraph of my post, which elided:

: Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
: "--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
: >always do "rm ./-help".

I'm sorry I wasn't explicit enough for you, Cliff.

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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 05:32:08PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:03:05PM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > > Larry Rosenman <ler@lerctr.org> types:
> > > > rm -- -help
> > > > 
> > > > or rm -i ?help
> > > 
> > > That won't work any more than "rm *help" would. The problem with both
> > > of them is that the shell expands the metacharacters, so that rm sees
> > > the "-" first, so thinks it's an argument.
> > You are wrong btw, "rm -- -help" will work just fine :)
> > "--" is a feature of rm (and mv etc) to get around this very problem.
> > Before saying "that's wont work", take 23 seconds to try it out.
> 
> Actually, I *knew* it would work. What doesn't work is "rm -i ?help".
> I thought I made it clear which of the two I was talking about in the
> second paragraph of my post, which elided:
> 
> : Just FWIW, if you happen to be on a system that doesn't recognize the
> : "--" convention (or need to run a command that doesn't), you can
> : >always do "rm ./-help".
> 
> I'm sorry I wasn't explicit enough for you, Cliff.

It was not obvious...

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   One common question is how to remove files whose names begin with a
`-'.  GNU `rm', like every program that uses the `getopt' function to
parse its arguments, lets you use the `--' option to indicate that all
following arguments are non-options.  To remove a file called `-f' in
the current directory, you could type either:

     rm -- -f

or:

     rm ./-f

   The Unix `rm' program's use of a single `-' for this purpose
predates the development of the getopt standard syntax

(Lifted from "info rm")

Tra la la

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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote:

> Brian Beattie wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> > >
> > 
> > twiddle
> 
> A twiddle is the little spinning ascii icon {/-\|/-...}, like the one that the
> boot loader uses. At least I think its the boot loader, haven't had to reboot in
> a while. :)
>
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Hi,

Im running FBSD 3.2-stable from a walnut creek cd set.  my box has 
no ps/2 connection for my ps/2 mouse. 

I have a standard 2 button ps\2 mouse which im trying to get to 
work from a serial port using a ps\2-serial adapter. my bios has 
com1 and com2 at the usual places, and my kernel has sio0 and sio1 
set accordingly.

using the mouse configuration tool under /stand/sysinstall i cant 
get my mouse to move under any of the permutations. mouseman, 
sysmouse, microsoft, none of them at any port will enable the 
mouse.  i suspect it has something to do with the ps/2-serial 
adapter... anyone experience this? do i have to go in search of a 
"real" serial mouse? why cant the adapter work like in Winblows?

replys to my home e-mail are apreciated.

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I just used cvsup to update all sources on my system to 4-stable

after removing files in /usr/obj and cd /usr/src make world

the rebuild runs for a short time followed by

"===> libiberty
make:don't know how to make cp-demangle.c. Stop
*** Error code 2

Has something gone off in the source or do I have a local problem here?

Any help trouble shooting this is appreciated.

TIA

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Thus spake Joe Oliveiro <joe@advancewebhosting.com>:
> rm -rf "-help" 
> 
> will remove the file

There's one reason why that will not work, and that is because "-help"
(without the quotes) will be passed to rm as argv[2], and the getopt()
calls within rm will parse it just as they would any other option string.

It would work, however, if, say, the file was named "foo*bar?", where
shell metacharacter substitutions stand the possibility of generating
something unexpected without the quotes (and where `rm foo*bar?` and
`rm "foo*bar?"` might yield different results).

        rm -rf ./-help
        rm -rf -- -help

will work in this example.

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Hi -
	I recently setup a burner on freebsd using cdrecord and it works
great, but I was wondering if it's possible to assign a label (not sure
that's the right word) for a cd so that when people put them in their
win98 machines it doesn't always just say "CDROM".

Is this possible?

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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 04:02:05PM -0800, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
> Hi -
> 	I recently setup a burner on freebsd using cdrecord and it works
> great, but I was wondering if it's possible to assign a label (not sure
> that's the right word) for a cd so that when people put them in their
> win98 machines it doesn't always just say "CDROM".
> 
> Is this possible?

The man page for mkisofs says how.

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Ah... wrong man page :)

Is it the -A option (application id).  There are a couple that might be it
and rather than burn a bunch of cds....?

-philip

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, David Kelly wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 04:02:05PM -0800, Philip Hallstrom wrote:
> > Hi -
> > 	I recently setup a burner on freebsd using cdrecord and it works
> > great, but I was wondering if it's possible to assign a label (not sure
> > that's the right word) for a cd so that when people put them in their
> > win98 machines it doesn't always just say "CDROM".
> > 
> > Is this possible?
> 
> The man page for mkisofs says how.
> 
> --
> David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net
> =====================================================================
> The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its
> capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system.
> 



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Mmm..
It's nearly Christmas so a small prize may be awarded
if you can get rid of a file whose name is

-<bs>*<bs>

Where <bs> is the backspace character.

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>
> xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> types:
> > i paid for the right to whine!  

Give it a rest mate.
You will wear yourself out.
All the energy you are expending on this drivel you are writing could be 
better spent learning something about errm .. Computer Operating Systems, just
as an example.

Try FreeBSD, I hear it's quite good :)

Cliff


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traceroute from here has dslonly-gw.customer.alter.net consistently
routing through itself multiple times with some steps incurring
significant delays.


On Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 11:50:21PM -0600, Ben Weaver wrote:
> I can get to all of that stuff just fine.  Might be a routing issue.
> 
> -Ben
> 
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 03:42:23PM +0000, Rick Hamell wrote:
> > 
> > 	Any one know of a good guide for setting up domain names? I've got
> > www.1nova.com which seems to sometimes work fine, but some people have
> > problems sending stuff to it or getting to www.1nova.com/freebsd yet
> > something like heorot.1nova.com works just fine. I've got MX records for
> > mail, ftp, www, heorot all setup... So I don't know what else I'm
> > missing. Thanks in advance!


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> > i paid for the right to whine!  i still have a $60 box of software that=
 is
would i have the right to whine if i bought windows and was pissed that it
wouldn't work on my SPARCStation?

> > INTERIX.  THE ONLY REDEMPTION YOU HAVE NOW IS TO WRITE A FREEBSD KERNEL=
 THAT
> > FUNCTIONS AS A DLL OR EXE IN WINDOWS!  if you can make all of the stabi=
lity
what is this redemption you keep talking about?  freebsd has grown
steadily for years.  in fact within the last year it was added to Best
Buy's shelves.  that's pretty good for a UNIX OS as most don't get a lot
of mainstream support.

> > NOLONGER BE ANY ATTENTION PAID TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WINDOWS.  IT WAS =
A
> > HEROIC ATTEMPT AT THE PRESIDENCY, BUT MICROSOFT CONTROLS THE ELECTION! =
 IT'S
> > OVER!!
that's alright, we'll just demand recounts until the vote swings in our
favor. (heh)

> > FREEBSD FROM WINDOWS NT WITHOUT HAVING TO USE BOOT DISKS TO DO SO.  I G=
EUSS
> > QUESTION POSED BY THE EMAIL.  i geuss i was wrong to believe the advert=
ising
you spell guess wrong a lot

> > space.  i am not about to go out and buy a new scsi controller to make-=
up
> > for the shortcomings of one operating system.  freebsd was supposed to =
have
yeah... i'm not going to buy a new computer either just because windows
doesn't run on my IBM 5100 PC (released 1975)

> > it's inception.  maybe i am way off base.  i am often wrong.  but i do =
know
yes you are.

> > it's statements of superiority.  that box should have had a big asteRIS=
K! on
> > it.  with more emphasis on RISK!  as in buy at your own RISK!; the
> > statements made herein do not reflect the qualitites purported to be tr=
ue.
thank you... i didn't catch it the first time.

> > SERVICES FOR UNIX in future releases.  when MS completely integrates un=
ix
> > (INTERIX) into windows 2000, so that any unix application can run on th=
at
> > (win2000) platform, without having a separate unix kernel to provide th=
at
> > functionality, NOONE WILL WRITE UNIX APPLICATIONS FOR ANYTHING ELSE THA=
N
> > WHAT MICROSOFT DECLARES IS THE LEGITIMATE UNIX ENVIRONMENT FOR WINDOWS =
(AND
> > HENCE THE WORLD)!  microsoft has the power to make such a pronouncement=
 for
UNIX people don't like microsoft.  microsoft people don't know how to use
UNIX.  that's how it is and i don't believe the UNIX people are about to
give up competent UNIX for microsoft's interpretation.

> > "Interix 2.2 is a perfect complement to our current UNIX interoperabili=
ty
> > solution, and in the future, we plan to combine this functionality with
> > Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX into one comprehensive UNIX applica=
tion
> > migration and interoperability solution."   DO YOU SEE THE WRITING ON T=
HE
why do i want this when i don't want or need windows?  that makes little
sense.  i'm not going to pay for windows so i can pay for UNIX when it's
free to begin with.

btw, weren't you the one complaining about how *holy shit!* advertisements
stretch the truth?
> > QUESTION POSED BY THE EMAIL.  i geuss i was wrong to believe the advert=
ising
> > on the box.  i had no reason, based on what was purported in the the

> > ANY CLAIM THAT YOU MAKE AGAINST THE LEGITIMACY OF RUNNING UNIX IN WINDO=
WS,
> > CAN BE EQUALLY MADE AGAINST RUNNING LINUX IN FREEBSD.  WHAT JUSTIFIES O=
NE
well to begin, they're both free... and i don't believe the point is to
run linux *in* freebsd, but to have the ability to execute linux binaries.

> > their packages, all further unix developement will be windows unix (as
> > defined only by MICROSOFT) developement.  it will nolonger be a matter =
of
microsoft already tried to make unix back in 1981.  it was crap and nobody
bought it.

> > the benefits of the Windows environment without having to rewrite criti=
cal
there are benifits?  what?

> > integrated with the Windows desktop, security model and file system. In=
terix
yeah... windows security is just fabulous

> > preserving the look and feel of UNIX applications, which eliminates the=
 need
> > to retrain users. Interix 2.2 also provides extensive scripting support=
 and
> > enables users to maintain the use of common scripting languages and too=
ls.
i'm just not understanding why you would install microsoft in the first
place if you're just going to run UNIX on it... why not use, um... UNIX?

> > <IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT FREEBS=
D!!>
i wish you had too.

as a side note... i'm not sure exactly who you think you are that anyone
here would care what you have to say.  frankly i couldn't care less
whether or not you fall out of a high window much less what type of
operating system you use...

i did enjoy the email though... thanks for the laughs.

peace,
brian


=09=09t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> So go whine at the people you gave the $60 to, not the *volunteers*
> who are on the -questions list. You might as well drop me from the CC
> list - the only whining children I have to deal with are mine; except
> they've grown past acting like you do. Once I read the claim that you
> paid for the right, I stopped reading.
>
> =09<mike
>
> xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> types:
> > i paid for the right to whine!  i still have a $60 box of software that=
 is
> > nothing more than a doorstop. ironically, the only way that i may be ab=
le to
> > use the software on the freebsd cd's, is to buy a MICROSOFT PRODUCT aka
> > INTERIX.  THE ONLY REDEMPTION YOU HAVE NOW IS TO WRITE A FREEBSD KERNEL=
 THAT
> > FUNCTIONS AS A DLL OR EXE IN WINDOWS!  if you can make all of the stabi=
lity
> > features of freebsd portable to windows, such that freebsd becomes a pa=
ckage
> > that windows users can add-on to their existing platform, to function i=
n the
> > same way as the ANTICRASH and other utilities that i have running on my
> > system, then you may have some sort of redemption in terms of a future.=
  but
> > based on what i have included in this email below, freebsd and everyone=
 elso
> > too) has a very limited term of existance in the face of increasing
> > MICROSOFT encroachment into unix interoperability.  UNIX WILL BECOME A
> > UTILITY FOR WINDOWS.  think i'm crazy?  read (the third paragrph) below=
!
> > THE ONLY THING THAT PREVENTED MICROSOFT FROM HAVING ABSOLUTE DOMINANCE
> > BEFORE, WAS IT'S LACK OF A VIABLE UNIX IMPLEMENTATION.  even APPLE comp=
uter
> > now has a linux platform.  when MICROSOFT does with linux what freebsd =
did,
> > and allows linux to run in windows NT/2000, linux and unix will fall un=
der
> > the single auspices of MICROSOFT.  whether that will be functionally tr=
ue or
> > not is irrelevant.  MICROSOFT ONLY HAS TO CREATE THE IMPRESSION OR
> > APPEARANCE OF COMPLETE INTEROPERABILITY.  ONCE MICROSOFT HAS NEGATED TH=
E
> > ARGUEMENT OF WINDOWS VS UNIX (BY PORTING UNIX TO WINDOWS) THERE WILL
> > NOLONGER BE ANY ATTENTION PAID TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WINDOWS.  IT WAS =
A
> > HEROIC ATTEMPT AT THE PRESIDENCY, BUT MICROSOFT CONTROLS THE ELECTION! =
 IT'S
> > OVER!!
> >
> > [this paragraph was written before i added everything about INTERIX in =
the
> > paragraph above.  i only leave this here as history, as freebsd will sh=
ortly
> > become.  MS INTERIX may answer all of the questions and aspirations i
> > previously had.]  THE QUESTION WAS, WHEN WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO INSTALL
> > FREEBSD FROM WINDOWS NT WITHOUT HAVING TO USE BOOT DISKS TO DO SO.  I G=
EUSS
> > YOU DIDN'T READ THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE EMAIL.  I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT=
 (THE
> > SUBJECTLINE) IS FOR.  IT STATED VERY CLEARLY THE INTENT, PURPOSE AND
> > QUESTION POSED BY THE EMAIL.  i geuss i was wrong to believe the advert=
ising
> > on the box.  i had no reason, based on what was purported in the the
> > statement of `professional quality', `for serious internet users', etc.=
to
> > mean that freebsd would offer a LOWER LEVEL OF COMPATABLITY than the li=
nux
> > systems i had previously used.  i brought freebsd because i thought it =
would
> > give me the level of interoperabilty that i wanted.  what i wanted was =
a
> > single OSystem that would run linux and unix on one single platform.  t=
he
> > sad fact is that even if i did get it running, i still wouldn't have us=
e of
> > my cdrom or the scsi disk which i had previously used with both linux
> > versions (and now NT as well) for the exclusive purpose of virtual memo=
ry
> > space.  i am not about to go out and buy a new scsi controller to make-=
up
> > for the shortcomings of one operating system.  freebsd was supposed to =
have
> > been around longer than linux.  why then is it deficient in the area of
> > drivers for ancient equipment that were clearly around before linux eve=
n
> > existed?   this is really not an issue of age or maturity regarding a
> > specific OS.  it is a matter of intent.  linux strove for universality =
from
> > it's inception.  maybe i am way off base.  i am often wrong.  but i do =
know
> > that i wanted a single OS that would handle unix and linux.  (I HAD NO
> > DESIRE TO GO BACK TO WINDOWS!!)  SINGLE SYSTEM INTEROPERABLITY is what
> > freebsd claimed to do.  that is why i brought it.  i thought i would no=
t be
> > without ANY of the functionality i came to expect from linux.  freebsd =
did
> > not deliver on the satisfaction of my expectations which were in fact
> > reasonable, based on the statements i read on the box.  superior is jus=
t
> > that, SUPERIOR!  it is a term of absolutes.  it is was also further cla=
imed
> > in the 800 page handbook (which was my main reason for buying the
> > power-pak), that freebsd had a higher level of developement than linux =
and
> > was therefore more stable as a result.  (based on these claims, why sho=
uld i
> > have expected to not be able to use the equipemnt i was already using i=
n
> > linux?)  i had no reason to think that freebsd was in being selective i=
n
> > it's statements of superiority.  that box should have had a big asteRIS=
K! on
> > it.  with more emphasis on RISK!  as in buy at your own RISK!; the
> > statements made herein do not reflect the qualitites purported to be tr=
ue.
> >
> > now, while you gloat at the apparent triumph the unix community may thi=
nk it
> > gained by MS buying INTERIX and now including it as part of the windows
> > environment, IT IS NOT A TRIUMPH.  the bottomline is that MS is not abo=
ut to
> > go away.  YOU CAN THINK OF THIS MICROSOFT ACQUISITION AS THE ANT OR WAS=
P (i
> > forget which does what to whom) THAT LAYS IT'S EGGS IN THE BODY OF THE
> > OTHER, ONLY TO HAVE IT'S LARVAE EAT IT'S HOST FROM THE INSIDE OUT!!  th=
ey
> > will never forfeit their dominance on the computing community, no matte=
r how
> > infantile you may think their systems are.  MS  will eat you from the i=
nside
> > out.  as i stated in another email, MS  can integrate any opensource un=
ix
> > (and/or linux) into the windows environment it wants to.  and it will. =
 it
> > (MS) has already stated that they are going include INTERIX into the
> > SERVICES FOR UNIX in future releases.  when MS completely integrates un=
ix
> > (INTERIX) into windows 2000, so that any unix application can run on th=
at
> > (win2000) platform, without having a separate unix kernel to provide th=
at
> > functionality, NOONE WILL WRITE UNIX APPLICATIONS FOR ANYTHING ELSE THA=
N
> > WHAT MICROSOFT DECLARES IS THE LEGITIMATE UNIX ENVIRONMENT FOR WINDOWS =
(AND
> > HENCE THE WORLD)!  microsoft has the power to make such a pronouncement=
 for
> > all the world to follow.  and once said, the world will do just that,
> > FOLLOW!  including you!
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/zipdocs/interix_technotes.exe  thi=
s is
> > the link for all the documentation regarding the functionaslity of INTE=
RIX
> > in the windows environment.  of course you need windows to read it. so =
for
> > those of you who don't have windows, i'll download and extract it, and
> > repackage it as a zip file to attach to this email.  even if you don't =
use
> > windows at all, it makes sense to know what MICROSOFT intends to do wit=
h the
> > unix community.  CANNABALISM couldn't be better!
> >
> > "Interix 2.2 is a perfect complement to our current UNIX interoperabili=
ty
> > solution, and in the future, we plan to combine this functionality with
> > Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX into one comprehensive UNIX applica=
tion
> > migration and interoperability solution."   DO YOU SEE THE WRITING ON T=
HE
> > WALL?
> >
> > ANY CLAIM THAT YOU MAKE AGAINST THE LEGITIMACY OF RUNNING UNIX IN WINDO=
WS,
> > CAN BE EQUALLY MADE AGAINST RUNNING LINUX IN FREEBSD.  WHAT JUSTIFIES O=
NE
> > JUSTIFIES THE OTHER!!  Microsoft may get it wrong to start out with, bu=
t
> > that won't be the case for long.  they want absolute domination.  and t=
hey
> > will do whatever it takes to do that.  INTERIX is the "shot across the =
bow"
> > of the unix community.  it serves to give notice of the MS agenda to us=
urp
> > any legitimacy of unix as their own.  when (previously unix) developers
> > realize that they have the absolute standard of windows on which to bui=
ld
> > their packages, all further unix developement will be windows unix (as
> > defined only by MICROSOFT) developement.  it will nolonger be a matter =
of
> > which version of unix is superior to another.  that question will be MO=
OT.
> > it will be as it has always been, a question of profitability and expen=
se.
> > NO, I DON'T REALLU LIKE THE IDEA OF ONLY HAVING MICROSOFT CONTROLLING
> > EVERYTHING.  but there are plenty of things in this life that i don't
> > particularly like.  and my or your disliking the reality of the world i=
n
> > which we live, does not change that world.  only intelligent directed a=
ction
> > will do that.  my statement about writing the freebsd kernel as a windo=
ws
> > dll or exe mayseem reprehensible to you, but ultimately your survival w=
ill
> > depend on that very act of infiltration.  you cannot stop the INEVITABI=
LITY
> > of MICROSOFT porting unix into windows NT/2000.  that is clearly their
> > intent.  noone is going to want to write unix apllications that don't
> > conform to any standards that MICROSOFT imposes by the dictates of thei=
r
> > massive dominance.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/interix/default.asp
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/interix/features.asp
> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2000/Feb00/InterixPR.asp
> >
> > "Interix provided all of the UNIX functionality necessary to efficientl=
y
> > move the code to Windows NT," Klinect said. "One of the key advantages =
was
> > that the code ported to Interix could still be deployed on the IRS' leg=
acy
> > UNIX systems during its transition to Windows NT, maintaining the requi=
red
> > 24x7 full functionality for this mission-critical application."
> >
> > Interix 2.2 eases the migration of existing UNIX applications and scrip=
ts by
> > providing a robust, high-performance environment for running such
> > applications. It allows users with UNIX environments to take advantage =
of
> > the benefits of the Windows environment without having to rewrite criti=
cal
> > applications. In addition, users can immediately use the full Windows-b=
ased
> > application development environment to develop native Win32=AE API-base=
d
> > applications. Interix 2.2 provides over 300 utilities and tools and is =
fully
> > integrated with the Windows desktop, security model and file system. In=
terix
> > 2.2 is a native subsystem to Windows, providing the highest performance=
 for
> > running UNIX applications. The Interix 2.2 Software Development Kit, wh=
ich
> > is included with Interix 2.2, supports over 1,900 UNIX APIs and helps e=
ase
> > migration of existing UNIX applications to the Interix environment.
> >
> > Interix 2.2 provides UNIX users with a familiar environment and set of =
tools
> > to leverage their existing UNIX expertise. For example, the tools and
> > utilities behave exactly as they would on other UNIX systems while
> > preserving the look and feel of UNIX applications, which eliminates the=
 need
> > to retrain users. Interix 2.2 also provides extensive scripting support=
 and
> > enables users to maintain the use of common scripting languages and too=
ls.
> >
> > <IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT FREEBS=
D!!>
> >
> > Interix 2.2 brings Microsoft customers one step closer to its vision of=
 a
> > single desktop computer for all uses by providing a complete enterprise
> > platform to run all Windows-based, UNIX and Internet applications. Inte=
rix
> > 2.2 also helps simplify the administration of heterogeneous environment=
s by
> > providing UNIX system administrators with access to Windows-based syste=
ms
> > using familiar tools and management strategies, thus reducing system
> > administration and total cost of ownership. Interix 2.2 also provides s=
ystem
> > administrators with a familiar set of remote administration tools and b=
atch
> > support, enabling efficient system administration.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Meyer" <mwm@mired.org>
> > To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
> > Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disk=
s
> >
> >
> > > I hope you enjoyed writing your troll. I only wish you had been matur=
e
> > > enough to post it to the correct list, or not to post it at all. This
> > > is QUESTIONS@freebsd.org. You didn't ask any. Since your message was
> > > nothing but opinion and ranting, it should have gone to
> > > ADVOCACY@freebsd.org.
> > >
> > > If you don't like FreeBSD because it won't do what you want, either
> > > don't use, or fix it. If you don't have the expertise to fix it,
> > > either hire someone, or ask politely. Coming off like a whining
> > > preschooler won't get you help, it'll just make people mad at you.
> > >
> > > <mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
> > this is an updated version of the letter previously sent.
> >
> > ORIGINAL MESSAGE
> > xavian anderson macpherson
> > http://www.professional3d.com
> >
> > i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able to =
get
> > it to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the power-=
pak
> > 4.0 so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted freebsd beca=
use i
> > thought it would be the last system i would ever need to buy.)  i also
> > wanted the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact of the matter i=
s
> > that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize =
my
> > multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  which by the way, both
> > versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows nt were able to use
> > without any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the repeated claims of
> > freebsd superiority to be a bunch of crap!
> >
> > i have absolutely no idea how something so superior to windows and linu=
x is
> > unable to recognize the presense of my adaptec aha152x scsi adaptor on =
my
> > soundblaster 16 card.  maybe it's too beneath freebsd to recognize my l=
owly
> > implementation of scsi.  i knew that freebsd claimed to be mature; mayb=
e
> > poor vision is also the side-effect of this protracted maturity.  eithe=
r
> > that or this maturity has imbued you with yet another ailment common to
> > advancing age.  that ailment is arrogance.   that seems to be the only
> > explanation for this;  as the common response that i have received from=
 many
> > but not all, has been one of arrogance and contempt that i would dare t=
o
> > question the godlike qualities of freebsd.  so let me make it personal.
> > there is no problem with my scsi card.  i have had three working operat=
ing
> > system to prove it.  the problem is with the software (and it's develop=
ers)
> > that freebsd uses.  now you may like to claim that linux is a developer
> > system.  but the fact is, that those (infantile) developers seem to be =
doing
> > a much (indisputably) better job of handling the developement of driver=
s
> > than freebsd.
> >
> > i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation; negati=
ng
> > the very purpose for which i purchased the power-pak (as everything tha=
t is
> > in the power-pak can be had on the net).  after installing the system f=
rom
> > the net, it ran just long enough for me to try to install the XFREE86 4=
=2E0,
> > which then made my system inoperable.  after that i was never able to g=
et it
> > to run again.  quite some time later after all of this, i tried to crea=
te
> > bootdisks for the latest version of freebsd.  when i went to reboot my
> > system with these new disks, the system said that there was no kernel o=
n the
> > floppies.  you make sense of it.  i created the disks using a commandli=
ne
> > instruction within NT.  the first disks that i made were done with linu=
x.
> > as i nolonger have a running linux system, i cannot revert to it to mak=
e the
> > bootdisks for freebsd.  so either i have a freebsd installation system =
which
> > runs from NT  without rebooting, or it's unusable.  i mean let's get re=
al.
> > if linux can (and does) allow for it (linux) to be run on a windows (no=
t NT)
> > formatted disk, what the hell is the reason that freebsd can't do the s=
ame
> > and better (as you so fraudulently claim).  and don't tell me how poor =
of a
> > solution the UMSDOS is.  certainly if freebsd is so advanced, there is =
no
> > excuse for there not being an even better system available from freebsd=
; and
> > especially for NT.  since NT is the highend of the windows system, it o=
nly
> > makes sense that freebsd should be directed towards providing REAL SOLU=
TIONS
> > for NT.  i don't want to hear excuses.  I WANT RESULTS!
> >
> > NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an integr=
ated
> > compressed filesystem.  with it, i have increased my storage space by n=
o
> > less than 35%.  if you had the same feature, i would have 5GB's  of
> > effective space instead of only 3.7GB's available for freebsd.  but at =
this
> > point in time, i am not willing to install freebsd until the aforementi=
on
> > criteria are met.  if someone knows of a single package that i can inst=
all
> > on my existing NT platform, that will allow for the seemless operation =
of
> > unix programs as though they were native windows applications, i for on=
e
> > would like to hear about it.  i just went to the windows site and found
> > something they call WINDOWS SERVICES FOR UNIX 2.0.  i don't know how lo=
ng it
> > had been around or how good it is.  i found it by simply typing `window=
snt
> > unix' into my browsers address bar to get a search on those keywords.
> >
> > http://shop.microsoft.com/Products/Products_Feed/Online/WindowsServices=
forUN
> > IX[759]/ProductOverview.asp
> >
> > i just found what may be the very thing i was asking for.  after writin=
g the
> > above paragraph, i went back to the link above and did further reading.=
  i
> > came across something called INTERIX.  so once again i did a net search=
 and
> > came up with a site that sells it.  in reading, i found that it is now =
a MS
> > unix-product.  it seems to provide the unix components to windows NT cl=
ass
> > environments.  i will do more reseach on this.  and if i find it to be
> > usable, i'll buy it.  putting an end to any further questions about fre=
ebsd
> > or any other variant of unix or linux.  let's face it, MS is in a much
> > better position to employ unix components such as freebsd than the reve=
rse.
> > you might as well look at the writing on the wall.  the very openness t=
hat
> > allows anyone to use freebsd and linux source code, allows MS to add it=
 to
> > their own systems without anyone having any right to complain about it.=
  as
> > long as MS uses an open source version of unix, they could do anything =
they
> > want to integrate it into the existing windows environment.  and all th=
at
> > any of you can do is sit back and wipe your eyes.  WHIMPER WHIMPER WHIM=
PER!!
> > you have basically written your own obituarary.  because windows can fr=
eely
> > integrate open source systems, but the same is not true of the open sou=
rce
> > community.  hence there will ultimately be no justification for your
> > existance.  you will be relegated to the status of footnote; and frankl=
y the
> > sooner the better.  the system that MS ultimately chooses for their
> > integrated environment, will become the status quo.  if you thought tha=
t
> > windows was dominant before, wait until they put unix interoperability =
into
> > the windows NT/2000 framework.  your only choice is to set the lead, by
> > beating MS to the punch.  and that can only be done if you make freebsd=
 and
> > linux operate from within NT/2000 before MS does.  because mock my word=
=2E  it
> > will happen.  and you will be left out in the cold with the tears froze=
n to
> > your face.  ; )
> >
> > ALL OF WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN in the paragraphs BELOW IS NOW MOOT.  I HAVE
> > FOUND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS I HAD ABOVE.  INTERIX 2.2  the only t=
hing
> > that you will possibly have over MS is price.  yes their prices are
> > rediculous.  but then, based on my experience with freebsd and linux, t=
hat
> > old saying of `you get what you pay for', has never been more truthful.
> > don't bother bitching about my remarks.  as i have already seen that i =
am
> > not the only one who has made them.  i simply represent your best hope =
of
> > survival.  i am a windows user that tried linux and then freebsd.  and =
i
> > have done so at an expense that is completely unrecoverable.  if you do=
n't
> > like my attitude, just remember that there are thousands of prospective
> > users just like me who will be no more tolerable of your shortcomings t=
han i
> > have been.  and your arrogance will be your destruction.  something i w=
ill
> > greatly revel in.  you purported to be the final solution to my and
> > everyoine else's problem with regards to internet computing systems.  t=
hat's
> > a lie.
> >
> > http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/-s/fp_47736
> > http://www.provantage.com/FC_MCSB.HTM
> >
> > quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for=
 NT,
> > i would probably never look back to linux or freebsd.  i have already f=
ound
> > numerous unix components to run under windows.  and once i have learned=
 how
> > to use all of them, that will probably settle once and for all the ques=
tion
> > of which system to use. ATT and others make various products which allo=
w for
> > the running of unix programs in a windows environment.  i had some of t=
hem
> > installed before i reinstalled NT and thereby erased those systems.  i =
am
> > now deciding which ones to reinstall.
> >
> > so the bottomline is this.  when i am able to install freebsd from a ru=
nning
> > windows nt system without the use of bootdisks (which supply the means =
to
> > create and write to UFS, then and only then will i be willing to use
> > freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly frusta=
ted
> > with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional heterogenious
> > operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and freebsd on the sa=
me
> > computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS COMPRESSED).  if fr=
eebsd
> > is not capable of being installed from a running NT-environment without
> > having to be rebooted, that is an absolutely indisputable indicator tha=
t
> > freebsd cannot operate cohesively within an NT-system. it's not up to
> > microsoft to provide the means to read and write between NTFS and UFS
> > without the question of damaging either system.  freebsd is the alien, =
not
> > MS.  when freebsd generates the code that allows NT to write to UFS and=
 UFS
> > to write to NTFS COMPRESSED, then and only then will freebsd be a legit=
amate
> > addition to my NT environment.  until then, it's just crap!
> >
> >
> >
> --
> Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>=09=09=09http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
> Independent WWW/Unix/FreeBSD consultant,=09email for more information.
>
>
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> FreeBSD has solved this problem for any MTA that provides a sendmail
> command API. You edit /etc/mail/mailer.conf so it points at that MTAs
> version of sendmail (and mailq, and newaliases, for that matter), and
> the binaries installed where programs look for
> sendmail/mailq/newaliases will do the right thing.

Ahhhh. 

When I installed Sendmail by hand, I followed their instructions and
installed the sendmail binary in /usr/sbin. I never realized that the
sendmail in /usr/sbin is just a symlink to mailwrapper! So the *actual*
sendmail binary, in /usr/libexec/sendmail/, remained. 

I am not sure, but I suspect that 'make world' restores the
sendmail-->mailwrapper symlink, regardless of whether 'NO_SENDMAIL' is
set in make.conf... This would make sense, since mailwrapper is, in
theory, completely unrelated to sendmail.

So I've heard people complain about mailwrapper before... Are there any
security benefits to using mailwrapper, or is it (as the manpages say)
just a convenience for those installing alternative MTAs? As a rule of
thumb, should you never mess with /usr/bin or /usr/sbin?

----
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How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions.
===================================================

Last update 3 September 1999

This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD questions mailing list.  If
you got it in answer to a message you sent, it means that the sender
thinks that at least one of the following things was wrong with your
message:

- You left out a subject line, or the subject line was not appropriate.
- You formatted it in such a way that it was difficult to read.
- You asked more than one unrelated question in one message.
- You sent out a message with an incorrect date, time or time zone.
- You sent out the same message more than once.
- You sent an 'unsubscribe' message to FreeBSD-questions.

If you have done any of these things, there is a good chance that you
will get more than one copy of this message from different people.
Read on, and your next message will be more successful.

This document is also available on the web at
http://www.lemis.com/questions.html.

=====================================================================

Contents:

I:    Introduction
II:   How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
III:  Should I ask -questions or -hackers?
IV:   How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions
V:    How to answer a question to FreeBSD-questions

I: Introduction
===============

This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from
FreeBSD-questions (the "newcomers"), and also those who answer the
questions (the "hackers").

       Note that the term "hacker" has nothing to do with breaking
       into other people's computers.  The correct term for the latter
       activity is "cracker", but the popular press hasn't found out
       yet.  The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking
       security, and have nothing to do with it.

In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the
different viewpoints of the two groups.  The newcomers accused the
hackers of being arrogant, stuck-up, and unhelpful, while the hackers
accused the newcomers of being stupid, unable to read plain English,
and expecting everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.  Of
course, there's an element of truth in both these claims, but for the
most part these viewpoints come from a sense of frustration.

In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration
and help everybody get better results from FreeBSD-questions.  In the
following section, I recommend how to submit a question; after that,
we'll look at how to answer one.

II:  How to unsubscribe from FreeBSD-questions
==============================================

When you subscribed to FreeBSD-questions, you got a welcome message
from Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG.  In this message, amongst other things, it
told you how to unsubscribe.  Here's a typical message:

  Welcome to the freebsd-questions mailing list!

  If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list,
  you can send mail to "Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG" with the following command
  in the body of your email message:

      unsubscribe freebsd-questions Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.de>

  Here's the general information for the list you've
  subscribed to, in case you don't already have it:

  FREEBSD-QUESTIONS               User questions
  This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD.  You should not
  send "how to" questions to the technical lists unless you consider the
  question to be pretty technical.

Normally, unsubscribing is even simpler than the message suggests: you
don't need to specify your mail ID unless it is different from the one
which you specified when you subscribed.

If Majordomo replies and tells you (incorrectly) that you're not on
the list, this may mean one of two things:

  1.  You have changed your mail ID since you subscribed.  That's where
      keeping the original message from majordomo comes in handy.  For
      example, the sample message above shows my mail ID as
      grog@lemis.de.  Since then, I have changed it to
      grog@lemis.com.  If I were to try to remove grog@lemis.com from
      the list, it would fail: I would have to specify the name with
      which I joined.

  2.  You're subscribed to a mailing list which is subscribed to
      FreeBSD-questions.  If that's the case, you'll have to figure out
      which one it is and get your name taken off that one.  If you're
      not sure which one it might be, check the headers of the
      messages you receive from freebsd-questions: maybe there's a
      clue there.

If you've done all this, and you still can't figure out what's going
on, send a message to Postmaster@FreeBSD.org, and he will sort things
out for you.  Don't send a message to FreeBSD-questions: they can't
help you.

III: Should I ask -questions, -newbies or -hackers?
===================================================

Two mailing lists handle general questions about FreeBSD,
FreeBSD-questions and FreeBSD-hackers.  In addition, the
FreeBSD-newbies list caters specifically for people who are new to
FreeBSD and may be having trouble getting used to the environment.  In
some cases, it's not really clear which group you should ask.  The
following criteria should help for 99% of all questions, however:

     If the question is of a general nature, first check whether this
     isn't a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ).  There's a list of these
     questions at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ.html, and also on
     your own system (once you've installed it) at
     /usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ.html.  Check there, and if you don't find
     an answer, ask FreeBSD-questions.  Examples might be questions
     about installing FreeBSD or the use of a particular UNIX utility.

     If you think the question relates to a bug, but you're not sure,
     or you don't know how to look for it, send the message to
     FreeBSD-questions.

     If the question relates to a bug, and you're almost sure that
     it's a bug (for example, you can pinpoint the place in the code
     where it happens, and you maybe have a fix), then send the
     message to FreeBSD-hackers.  You should also enter a problem
     report with the send-pr utility.

     If the question relates to enhancements to FreeBSD, and you can
     make suggestions about how to implement them, then send the
     message to FreeBSD-hackers.

     If the question is of particularly technical nature, such as
     implementation details or suggestions for improvements, then send
     the message to FreeBSD-hackers.

     If you're new to FreeBSD, and the message is about your own
     relationship to FreeBSD, send the message to FreeBSD-newbies.

There are also a number of other specialized mailing lists, for
example FreeBSD-isp, which caters to the interests of ISPs (Internet
Service Providers) who run FreeBSD.  If you happen to be an ISP, this
doesn't mean you should automatically send your questions to
FreeBSD-isp.  The criteria above still apply, and it's in your
interest to stick to them, since you're more likely to get good
results that way.

IV:  How to submit a question
=============================

When submitting a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider the
following points:

  1.  Remember that nobody gets paid for answering a FreeBSD question.
      They do it of their own free will.  You can influence this free
      will positively by submitting a well-formulated question
      supplying as much relevant information as possible.  You can
      influence this free will negatively by submitting an incomplete,
      illegible, or rude question.  It's perfectly possible to send a
      message to FreeBSD-questions and not get an answer even if you
      follow these rules.  It's much more possible to not get an
      answer if you don't.  In the rest of this document, we'll look
      at how to get the most out of your question to
      FreeBSD-questions.

  2.  Not everybody who answers FreeBSD questions reads every message:
      they look at the subject line and decide whether it interests
      them.  Clearly, it's in your interest to specify a subject.
      ``FreeBSD problem'' or ``Help'' aren't enough.  If you provide
      no subject at all, many people won't bother reading it.  If your
      subject isn't specific enough, the people who can answer it may
      not read it.

  3.  Format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DON'T
      SHOUT!!!!!.  We appreciate that a lot of people don't speak
      English as their first language, and we try to make allowances
      for that, but it's really painful to try to read a message
      written full of typos or without any line breaks.  A lot of
      badly formatted messages come from bad mailers or badly
      configured mailers.  The following mailers are known to send out
      badly formatted messages without you finding out about them:

      Eudora
      exmh
      Microsoft Exchange
      Microsoft Internet Mail
      Microsoft Outlook
      Netscape

      As you can see, the mailers in the Microsoft world are frequent
      offenders.  If at all possible, use a UNIX mailer.  If you must
      use a mailer under Microsoft environments, make sure it is set
      up correctly.  Try not to use MIME: a lot of people use mailers
      which don't get on very well with MIME.

      For further information on this subject, check out
      http://www.lemis.com/email.html.

  4.  Make sure your time and time zone are set correctly.  This may
      seem a little silly, since your message still gets there, but
      many of the people you are trying to reach get several hundred
      messages a day.  They frequently sort the incoming messages by
      subject and by date, and if your message doesn't come before the
      first answer, they may assume they missed it and not bother to
      look.

  5.  Don't include unrelated questions in the same message.  Firstly,
      a long message tends to scare people off, and secondly, it's
      more difficult to get all the people who can answer all the
      questions to read the message.

  6.  Specify as much information as possible.  This is a difficult
      area, and we need to expand on what information you need to
      submit, but here's a start:

         If you get error messages, don't say ``I get error
         messages'', say (for example) ``I get the error message 'No
         route to host'''.

         If your system panics, don't say ``My system panicked'', say
         (for example) ``my system panicked with the message 'free
         vnode isn't'''.

         If you have difficulty installing FreeBSD, please tell us
         what hardware you have.  In particular, it's important to
         know the IRQs and I/O addresses of the boards installed in
         your machine.

         If you have difficulty getting PPP to run, describe the
         configuration.  Which version of PPP do you use? What kind of
         authentication do you have? Do you have a static or dynamic
         IP address? What kind of messages do you get in the log file?

  7.  If you don't get an answer immediately, or if you don't even see
      your own message appear on the list immediately, don't resend
      the message.  Wait at least 24 hours.  The FreeBSD mailer
      offloads messages to a number of subordinate mailers around the
      world, and sometimes it can take several hours for the mail to
      get through.  And once it gets through, the one person who might
      know the answer will probably just have gone to bed in his part
      of the world.

  8.  If you do all this, and you still don't get an answer, there
      could be other reasons.  For example, the problem is so
      complicated that nobody knows the answer, or the person who does
      know the answer was offline.  If you don't get an answer after,
      say, a week, it might help to re-send the message.  If you don't
      get an answer to your second message, though, you're probably
      not going to get one from this forum.  Resending the same
      message again and again will only make you unpopular.

To summarize, let's assume you know the answer to the following
question (yes, it's the same one in each case :-).  You choose which of
these two questions you would be more prepared to answer:


Message 1:
Subject: (none)

I just can't get hits damn silly FereBSD system to workd, and Im really good at this tsuff, but I have never seen anythign sho difficult to install, it jst wont work whatever I try so why don't y9ou guys tell me what I doing wrong.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message 2:
Subject: Problems installing FreeBSD

I've just got the FreeBSD 2.1.5 CD-ROM from Walnut Creek, and I'm
having a lot of difficulty installing it.  I have a 66 MHz 486 with 16
MB of memory and an Adaptec 1540A SCSI board, a 1.2GB Quantum Fireball
disk and a Toshiba 3501XA CD-ROM drive.  The installation works just
fine, but when I try to reboot the system, I get the message "Missing
Operating System".

----------------------------------------------------------------------

V: How to follow up to a question
=================================

Often you will want to send in additional information to a question
you have already sent.  The best way to do this is to reply to your
original message.  This has three advantages:

1.  You include the original message text, so people will know what
    you're talking about.  Don't forget to trim unnecessary text out,
    though.

2.  The text in the subject line stays the same (you did remember to
    put one in, didn't you?).  Many mailers will sort messages by
    subject.  This helps group messages together.

3.  The message reference numbers in the header will refer to the
    previous message.  Some mailers, such as mutt, can thread messages,
    showing the exact relationships between the messages.

VI: How to answer a question
============================

Before you answer a question to FreeBSD-questions, consider:

1.  A lot of the points on submitting questions also apply to
    answering questions.  Read them.

2.  Has somebody already answered the question?  The easiest way to
    check this is to sort your incoming mail by subject: then
    (hopefully) you'll see the question followed by any answers, all
    together.

    If somebody has already answered it, it doesn't automatically mean
    that you shouldn't send another answer.  But it makes sense to
    read all the other answers first.

3.  Do you have something to contribute beyond what has already been
    said?  In general, "Yeah, me too" answers don't help much,
    although there are exceptions, like when somebody is describing a
    problem he's having, and he doesn't know whether it's his fault or
    whether there's something wrong with the hardware or software.  If
    you do send a "me too" answer, you should also include any further
    relevant information.

4.  Are you sure you understand the question? Very frequently, the
    person who asks the question is confused or doesn't express
    himself very well.  Even with the best understanding of the system,
    it's easy to send a reply which doesn't answer the question.  This
    doesn't help: you'll leave the person who submitted the question
    more frustrated or confused than ever.  If nobody else answers, and
    you're not too sure either, you can always ask for more
    information.

5.  Are you sure your answer is correct?  If not, wait a day or so.
    If nobody else comes up with a better answer, you can still reply
    and say, for example, "I don't know if this is correct, but since
    nobody else has replied, why don't you try replacing your ATAPI
    CD-ROM with a frog?".

6.  Unless there's a good reason to do otherwise, reply to the sender
    and to FreeBSD-questions.  Many people on the FreeBSD-questions
    are "lurkers": they learn by reading messages sent and replied to
    by others.  If you take a message which is of general interest off
    the list, you're depriving these people of their information.  Be
    careful with group replies; lots of people send messages with
    hundreds of CCs.  If this is the case, be sure to trim the Cc:
    lines appropriately.

7.  Include relevant text from the original message. Trim it to the
    minimum, but don't overdo it. It should still be possible for
    somebody who didn't read the original message to understand what
    you're talking about.

8.  Use some technique to identify which text came from the original
    message, and which text you add. I personally find that prepending
    ``> '' to the original message works best. Leaving white space
    after the ``> '' and leave empty lines between your text and the
    original text both make the result more readable.

9.  Put your response in the correct place (after the text to which it
    replies). It's very difficult to read a thread of responses where
    each reply comes before the text to which it replies.

10.  Most mailers change the subject line on a reply by prepending a
     text such as ``Re: ''. If your mailer doesn't do it
     automatically, you should do it manually.

11.  If the submitter didn't abide by format conventions (lines too
     long, inappropriate subject line), please fix it.  In the case of
     an incorrect subject line (such as ``HELP!!??''), change the
     subject line to (say) ``Re: Difficulties with sync PPP (was:
     HELP!!??)''. That way other people trying to follow the thread
     will have less difficulty following it.

     In such cases, it's appropriate to say what you did and why you
     did it, but try not to be rude.  If you find you can't answer
     without being rude, don't answer.

     If you just want to reply to a message because of its bad format,
     just reply to the submitter, not to the list.  You can just send
     him this message in reply, if you like.


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          Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, third edition




                         Last revision: 2 August 1999

The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.   The  result  is  that  most  leading  edge
computer  books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
``The Complete FreeBSD'', published by Walnut  Creek,  is  no  exception.   In-
evitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

The  following  is  a list of modifications which go beyond simple typos.  They
relate to the third edition, formatted  on  17  May  1999.   You'll  find  this
information  on  page  iv  (the  page  before  the  beginning  of  the Table of
Contents).  See the end of this document for instructions on how  to  find  the
errata for an older version.

You can get the current document in four forms:

o A     PostScript     version,     suitable     for     printing    out,    at
  ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.ps. See page 302 of the third  edition
  to  find  out  how  to print out PostScript.  If at all possible, please take
  this document: it's closest to the original text.

  Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible  to
  reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version.

o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.txt. When
  viewed with more or less,  this  version  will  show  some  highlighting  and
  underlining.  It's not suitable for direct viewing.

o An  ASCII-only  version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-3.ascii. This
  version is posted every week to the  FreeBSD-questions  mailing  list.   Only
  take  this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure
  that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning.

o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-3.html.

All these modifications have been applied to the ongoing  source  text  of  the
book, so if you buy a later edition, they will be in it as well.  If you find a

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bug or a suspected bug in the book, please contact me at <grog@FreeBSD.org.>

Page ii
_______

The instructions on page ii (opposite the title  page)  tell  you  to  look  at
ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2  for  the  errata  list.   That's wrong.
Look at this list.

Pages 190 and 191
_________________

The description is not very clear about which text appears  when  booting  from
floppy  for  initial  install,  and  which  appears when booting normally.  The
procedure is very similar, but there are some differences.  Add  the  following
text after the heading Boot messages:

You'll  boot  your system in at least two different ways: initially you'll boot
from floppy or CD-ROM in order to install the system.  Later, after the  system
is  installed,  you'll boot from hard disk.  The procedure is almost identical,
so we'll look at both versions in the following examples.

Replace the text from the middle of page 191 with:

If you're booting from 1.44 MB floppies, you will then see:

Please insert MFS root floppy and press enter:

When you insert the MFS root floppy and press  Enter,  you  see  more  twirling
batons, then the UserConfig screen appears.

UserConfig: Modifying the boot configuration
____________________________________________

After  the  kernel has been loaded, the following screen will appear if you are
installing the system, or if you have requested it with the -c  option  to  the
boot loader:

Page 206
________

The  bottom  two lines on this page should be in bold constant font, indicating
that this is input for your /etc/rc.config file


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nfs_client_enable="YES"       # This host is an NFS client (or NO).
nfs_server_enable="YES"       # This host is an NFS server (or NO).


Page 265
________

The example on the second half of the page refers to the old SCSI driver.   The
scsi  program  is  no  longer  available  in  FreeBSD  3.x.   Instead,  use the
camcontrol program.  Replace the text with:.

Modern disks make provisions for recovering from such errors by  allocating  an
alternate sector for the data.  IDE drives do this automatically, but with SCSI
drives you have the option of enabling or disabling reallocation.   Usually  it
is  turned on when you buy them, but occasionally it is not.  When installing a
new disk, you should check that the parameters  ARRE  (Auto  Read  Reallocation
Enable)  and AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enable) are turned on.  For example,
to check and set the values for disk da1, you would enter:

# camcontrol modepage da1 -m 1 -e -P 3
# scsi -f /dev/rda1c -m 1 -e -P 3

This command will start up your favourite editor (either the one  specified  in
the EDITOR environment variable, or vi by default) with the following data:

AWRE (Auto Write Reallocation Enbld):  0
ARRE (Auto Read Reallocation Enbld):  1
TB (Transfer Block):  0
RC (Read Continuous):  0
EER (Enable Early Recovery):  0
PER (Post Error):  0
DTE (Disable Transfer on Error):  0
DCR (Disable Correction):  0
Read Retry Count:  16
Correction Span:  41
Head Offset Count:  0
Data Strobe Offset Count:  0
Write Retry Count:  16
Recovery Time Limit:  0

The  values  for  AWRE  and  ARRE should both be 1.  If they aren't, as in this
case, where AWRE is 0, change the data with the editor, save it, and exit.  The
camcontrol  program will write the data back to the disk and enable the option.


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Page 331
________

The description of the config refers to the SCSI drive sd0.  This  is  the  old
name; in FreeBSD version 3, SCSI drives are called da, so this reference should
be da0.

Thanks  to  Francisco  Reyes  <francisco@natserv.com>  for  pointing  out  this
problem.

Page 362
________

Replace the text at the top of the page with:

Next, change to the build directory and build the kernel:

# cd ../../compile/FREEBIE
# make depend
# make

   The  make  depend  is needed even if the directory has just been created:
   apart from creating dependency information, it also  creates  some  files
   needed for the build.
Thanks to Mark Ovens <marcov@globalnet.co.uk> for drawing this to my attention,
and   to   Francisco   Reyes   <francisco@natserv.com>   and   Bill    Fumerola
<billf@jade.chc-chimes.com>  for pointing out that it still wasn't fixed in the
third edition.

Page 409
________

The information on setting the default routers specified the wrong end  of  the
PPP  links  in  some  places.  It should always be the ``far'' end of the link.
Replace the second example on page 409, and the text following  it,  with  this
text:

defaultrouter="139.130.136.129"    # Set to default gateway (or NO).
static_routes=""              # Set to static route list (or leave empty).
gateway_enable="YES"               # Set to YES if this host will be a gateway.

This  is the normal way to set the default route on a point-to-point interface.
In fact, for PPP you don't  need  to  specify  the  default  address:  the  PPP
packages will set it for you when the link comes up.  This makes it possible to

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set default routes when you're forced to use dynamic IP  addresses,  where  you
don't know the address at this point.  We'll see how PPP does this on page 446.

In the first example on page 410, the sixth example on page 412 and the  second
example on page 413, replace the defaultrouter definition with:


defaultrouter="139.130.237.65"          # Set to default gateway (or NO).


Thanks to Andreas Longwitz <longwitz@Incore.de> for pointing out this error.

Getting errata for older editions of the book
_____________________________________________

There have been a total of five different versions of ``The Complete FreeBSD''.
The most accurate way to distinguish them is by the format date,  which  you'll
find  at  the  bottom of page iv (the page before the beginning of the Table of
Contents) in all versions of the book.

1. The first was titled ``Installing and running FreeBSD'', and  was  formatted
  on 24 February 1996.  No errata list exists for this book.

2. For  the first edition (19 July 1996), get ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/er-
  rata-1.   This   same   file   is   also   available   via   the   web   link
  http://www.lemis.com/errata-1. I am no longer updating this errata list.

3. The  list  for  the  second  edition (16 December 1997) is available in four
  forms:

  o A    PostScript    version,    suitable    for     printing     out,     at
    ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ps.  See  page  222  of  the  second
    edition to find out how to print  out  PostScript.   If  at  all  possible,
    please take this document: it's closest to the original text.

    Be  careful  selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible
    to reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version.

  o An enhanced ASCII  version  at  ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.txt.
    When viewed with more or less, this version will show some highlighting and
    underlining.  It's not suitable for direct viewing.

  o An ASCII-only version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ascii. This
    version  is  posted every week to the FreeBSD-questions mailing list.  Only

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    take this version if you have real problems with  PostScript:  I  can't  be
    sure that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning.

  o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html.

4. The  revised  second edition was formatted on 11 February 1999.  As the name
  suggests, it's not a complete new edition: in fact, only three  chapters  are
  different:

  o The chapter ``Setting up X11'' has been brought up to date.

  o Appendix  D (``Contents of the Ports Collection'') has been replaced by two
    appendixes, ``Errata and Addenda'' (the errata list up to date at the time)
    and  ``FreeBSD  3.0'',  which describes the differences between FreeBSD 2.x
    and FreeBSD 3.x.

  There is no separate errata list for this book.  Refer to the second  edition
  errata list.

5. The  current,  third edition, formatted on 17 May 1999.  This is the correct
  list for this edition.
























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          Errata and addenda for the Complete FreeBSD, second edition




                          Last revision: 21 June 1999

The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.   The  result  is  that  most  leading  edge
computer  books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
``The Complete FreeBSD'', published by Walnut  Creek,  is  no  exception.   In-
evitably, a number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

The  following  is  a list of modifications which go beyond simple typos.  They
relate to the second edition, formatted on 16 December 1997.  If you have  this
book,  please  check this list.  If you have the first edition of 19 July 1996,
please check ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-1. This  same  file  is  also
available via the web link http://www.lemis.com/.

This list is available in four forms:

o A     PostScript     version,     suitable     for     printing    out,    at
  ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ps. See page 222 of the book  to  find
  out  how  to  print  out  PostScript.   If  at all possible, please take this
  document: it's closest to the original text.

  Be careful selecting this file with a web browser: it is often impossible  to
  reload the document, and you may see a previously cached version.

o An enhanced ASCII version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.txt. When
  viewed with more or less,  this  version  will  show  some  highlighting  and
  underlining.  It's not suitable for direct viewing.

o An  ASCII-only  version at ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/errata-2.ascii. This
  version is posted every week to the  FreeBSD-questions  mailing  list.   Only
  take  this version if you have real problems with PostScript: I can't be sure
  that the lack of different fonts won't confuse the meaning.

o A web version at http://www.lemis.com/errata-2.html.

All these modifications have been applied to the ongoing  source  text  of  the
book, so if you buy a later edition, they will be in it as well.  If you find a

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bug or a suspected bug in the book, please contact me at <grog@FreeBSD.org.>

General changes
_______________


o In a number of places, I suggest the use of the  following  command  to  find
  process information:

  $ ps aux | grep foo

  Unfortunately,  ps  is sensitive to the column width of the terminal emulator
  upon which it is working.  This command usually works fine  on  a  relatively
  wide  xterm,  but if you're running on an 80-column terminal, it may truncate
  exactly the information you're looking for, so you end  up  with  no  output.
  You can fix that with the w option:

  $ ps waux | grep foo

  Thanks to Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> for this information


Location of the sample files
____________________________

On  the  2.2.5 CD-ROM only, the location of the sample files does not match the
specifications in the book (/book on the first CD-ROM).  The 2.2.5 CD-ROM  came
out before the book, and it contains the files on the third (repository) CD-ROM
as a single gzipped tar file  /xperimnt/cfbsd/cfbsd.tar.gz.   It  contains  the
following files:

drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh           0 Oct 17 13:01 1997 cfbsd/
drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh           0 Oct 17 13:01 1997 cfbsd/mutt/
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh         352 Oct 15 15:21 1997 cfbsd/mutt/.mail_aliases
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh        9394 Oct 15 15:22 1997 cfbsd/mutt/.muttrc
drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh           0 Oct 17 14:02 1997 cfbsd/scripts/
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh       18281 Oct 16 16:52 1997 cfbsd/scripts/.fvwm2rc
-rwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh        1392 Oct 17 12:54 1997 cfbsd/scripts/install-desktop
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh         296 Oct 17 12:35 1997 cfbsd/scripts/.xinitrc
-rwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh         622 Oct 17 13:51 1997 cfbsd/scripts/install-rcfiles
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh        1133 Oct 17 13:00 1997 cfbsd/scripts/Uutry
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh        1028 Oct 17 14:02 1997 cfbsd/scripts/README
drwxr-xr-x jkh/jkh           0 Oct 18 19:32 1997 cfbsd/docs/
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh      199111 Oct 16 14:29 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages.txt

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-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh      189333 Oct 16 14:28 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages-by-category.txt
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh      188108 Oct 16 14:29 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages.ps
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh      226439 Oct 16 14:27 1997 cfbsd/docs/packages-by-category.ps
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh         788 Oct 16 15:01 1997 cfbsd/README
-rw-r--r-- jkh/jkh         248 Oct 17 11:52 1997 cfbsd/errata

To  extract  one  of these files, say cfbsd/docs/packages.txt, and assuming you
have the CD-ROM mounted as /cdrom, enter:

# cd /usr/share/doc
# tar xvzf /cdrom/xperimnt/cfbsd/cfbsd.tar.gz cfbsd/docs/packages.txt

See page 209 for more information on using tar.

These files are an early version of what is described in the book.  I'll put up
some updated versions on ftp://ftp.lemis.com/ in the near future.

Thanks  to Frank McCormick <gfm@readybox.com> for drawing this to my attention.

Chapter 8: Setting up X11
_________________________

For FreeBSD 2.2.7, this chapter has changed sufficiently to make it impractical
to   distribute   errata.    You  can  download  the  PostScript  version  from
ftp://www.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/xsetup.ps,   or   the    ASCII    version    from
ftp://www.lemis.com/pub/cfbsd/xsetup.txt.  No HTML version is available.

Page xxxiv
__________

Before the discussion of the shell prompts in the middle of the page, add:

In this book, I recommend the use of the Bourne shell or one of its descendents
(sh, bash, pdksh, ksh or zsh).  With the exception of sh, they are all  in  the
Ports Collection.  I personally use the bash shell.

This  is a personal preference, and a recommendation, but it's not the standard
shell.  The standard BSD shell is the  C  shell  (csh),  which  has  a  fuller-
featured  descendent  tcsh.   In particular, the standard installation sets the
root user up with a csh.  See page 152 (in this errata) for details of  how  to
change the shell.




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Page 11: Reading the handbook
_____________________________

The  CD-ROM  now includes Netscape.  Replace the last paragraph on the page and
the example on the following page with:

If you're running X, you can use a browser like netscape to read the  handbook.
If you don't have X running yet, use lynx.  Both of these programs are included
on the CD-ROM.  To install them, enter:

# pkg_add /cdrom/packages/All/netscape-communicator-4.5.tgz
or
# pkg_add /cdrom/packages/All/lynx-2.8.1.1.tgz

The numbers after the name (4.5 and 2.8.1.1) may change  after  this  book  has
been  printed.   Use  ls  to  list the names if you can't find these particular
versions.

Note that lynx is not a complete substitute for netscape:  since  it  is  text-
only,  it  is  not  capable  of  displaying  the  large  majority  of web pages
correctly.  It will suffice for reading most of the handbook, however.

Thanks to Stuart Henderson <stuart@internationalschool.co.uk> and <gkaplan@cas-
tle.net> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 12: Printing the handbook
______________________________

The instructions for formatting the handbook are obsolete.  Replace the section
starting Alternatively, you can print out the handbook with the following text:

Alternatively,  you  can  print  out  the  handbook.   You  need  to  have  the
documentation sources (/usr/doc) installed on your system.  You can  find  them
on the second CD-ROM in the directory of the same name.  To install them, first
mount your CD-ROM (see page 175).  Then enter:

$ cd /cdrom/usr/doc/handbook
$ mkdir -p /usr/doc/handbook            you may need to be root for this operation
$ cp -pr * /usr/doc/handbook

You have a choice of formats for the output:

o ascii will give you plain 7-bit ASCII  output,  suitable  for  reading  on  a
  character-mode terminal.

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o html will give you HTML output, suitable for browsing with a web browser.

o latex  will  give  you LATEX format, suitable for further processing with TEX
  and LATEX.

o ps will give you PostScript output, probably the best choice for printing.

o roff will give you output in troff source.  You can process this output  with
  nroff  or  troff,  but  it's  currently not very polished.  LATEX output is a
  better choice if you want to process it further.

Once you have decided your format,  use  make  to  create  the  document.   For
example, if you decide on PostScript format, you would enter:

$ make FORMATS=ps

This  creates  a  file  handbook.ps  which  you  can then print to a PostScript
printer or with the aid of ghostscript (see page 222).

Thanks to Bob Beer <r-beer@onu.edu> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 45:  Preparing floppies for installation
_____________________________________________

Replace the paragraph below the list of file names (in the middle of the  page)
with:

The  floppy  set should contain the file bin.inf and the ones whose names start
with bin. followed by two letters.  These other  files  are  all  240640  bytes
long,  except  for the final one which is usually shorter.  Use the MS-DOS COPY
program to copy as many files as will fit onto each disk (5 or 6) until  you've
got  all  the  distributions  you  want  packed  up in this fashion.  Copy each
distribution into subdirectory corresponding to  the  base  name--for  example,
copy the bin distribution to the files A:\BIN\BIN.INF, A:\BIN\BIN.AA and so on.

Page 80 and 81
______________

In a couple of examples, the FreeBSD partition is shown as type 164.  It should
be  165.   Thanks  to an unknown contributer for this correction (sorry, I lost
your name).




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Page 88: setting up for dumping
_______________________________

The example mentions a variable savecore in /etc/rc.conf.  This variable is  no
longer used--it's enough to set the variable dumpdev.

Page 92
_______

At the end of the section How to install a package add the text:

Alternatively,  you  can  install  packages  from  the  /stand/sysinstall Final
Configuration Menu.  We saw this menu on page in figure 4-14 on page 71.   When
you  start  sysinstall from the command line, you get to this menu by selecting
Index, and then selecting Configure.


Page 93
_______

Before the heading Install ports from the first CD-ROM add:


Install ports when installing the system
________________________________________

The file ports/ports.tgz on the first CD-ROM is a tar  archive  containing  all
the  ports.   You  can install it with the base system if you select the Custom
distribution and include the ports collection.  If you didn't install  them  at
the  time,  use  the  following method to install them all (about 40 MB).  Make
sure your CD-ROM is mounted (in this example on /cdrom), and enter:

Page 96
_______

Replace the example at the top of the page with:

Instead, do:

# cd /cd4/ports/distfiles
# mkdir -p /usr/ports/distfiles              make sure you have a distfiles directory
# for i in *; do
>   ln -s /cd4/ports/distfiles/$i /usr/ports/distfiles/$i
> done

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If you're using csh or tcsh, enter:

# cd /cd4/ports/distfiles
# mkdir -p /usr/ports/distfiles              make sure you have a distfiles directory
# foreach i (*)
?   ln -s /cd4/ports/distfiles/$i /usr/ports/distfiles/$i
? end

Thanks to Christopher Raven <gurab@lineone.net>  and  Francois  Jacques  <fran-
cois.jacques@callisto.si.usherb.ca> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 104
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The examples at the bottom of the page and the top of the next page specify the
wrong directory (/usr).  It should be /usr/X11R6.  Replace the examples with:

For a full install, choose /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331*.tgz.  If  you  are  using
sh, enter:

# cd /usr/X11R6
# for i in /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331*.tgz; do
#   tar xzf $i
# done

If you are using csh, enter:

% cd /usr/X11R6
% foreach i (/cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331*.tgz)
%   tar xzf $i
% end

For a minimal installation, first choose a server archive corresponding to your
VGA board.  If table 8-2 on page 103 doesn't give you enough information, check
the  server  man  pages,  starting  on  page 1545, which list the VGA chip sets
supported by each server.  For example, if you have an ET4000 based  board  you
will use the XF86_SVGA server.  In this case you would enter:

# cd /usr/X11R6
# tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331SVGA.tgz  substitute your server name here
# for i in bin fnts lib xicf; do
#   tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331$i.tgz
# done


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If you are using csh, enter:

% cd /usr/X11R6
% tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/X331SVGA.tgz  substitute your server name here
% foreach i (bin fnts lib xicf)
%   tar xzf /cdrom/dists/XF86331/$i
% end


Thanks  to Manuel Enrique Garcia Cuesta <megarcia@intercom.es> for pointing out
this one.

Page 128
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Replace the complete text below the example with the following:

These values are defaults, and many  are  either  incorrect  for  FreeBSD  (for
example the device name /dev/com1) or do not apply at all (for example Xqueue).
If you are configuring manually, select one Protocol and one Device entry  from
the  following  selection.   If  you must use a two-button mouse, uncomment the
keyword Emulate3Buttons--in this mode, pressing both mouse  buttons  simultane-
ously  within Emulate3Timeout milliseconds causes the server to report a middle
button press.

Section "Pointer"

    Protocol   "Microsoft"         for Microsoft protocol mice
    Protocol    "MouseMan"         for Logitech mice
    Protocol    "PS/2"             for a PS/2 mouse
    Protocol    "Busmouse"         for a bus mouse

    Device     "/dev/ttyd0"        for a mouse on the first serial port
    Device     "/dev/ttyd1"        for a mouse on the second serial port
    Device     "/dev/ttyd2"        for a mouse on the third serial port
    Device     "/dev/ttyd3"        for a mouse on the fourth serial port
    Device     "/dev/psm0"         for a PS/2 mouse
    Device     "/dev/mse0"         for a bus mouse

    Emulate3Buttons           only for a two-button mouse

EndSection

You'll notice that the protocol name does not always match  the  manufacturer's

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name.   In  particular,  the  Logitech  protocol only applies to older Logitech
mice.  The newer ones use either the MouseMan or Microsoft  protocols.   Nearly
all modern serial mice run one of these two protocols, and most run both.

If  you are using a bus mouse or a PS/2 mouse, make sure that the device driver
is included in the kernel.  The GENERIC kernel contains drivers for both  mice,
but the PS/2 driver is disabled.  Use UserConfig (see page 50) to enable it.

Page 140
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Just before the paragraph The super user add the following paragraph:

If  you  do  manage to lose the root password, all may not be lost.  Reboot the
machine to single user mode (see page 157), and enter:

# mount -u /             mount root file system read/write
# mount /usr             mount /usr file system (if separate)
# passwd root            change the password for root
Enter new password:
Enter password again:
# ^D                enter ctrl-D to continue with startup

If you have a separate /usr file system (the normal case), you need to mount it
as  well, since the passwd program is in the directory /usr/bin.  Note that you
should explicitly state the name root: in single user mode, the system  doesn't
have the concept of user IDs.

Page 148
________

Replace the text at the top of the page with:

Modern  shells  supply  command  line editing which resembles the editors vi or
Emacs.  In bash, sh, ksh, and zsh you can make the choice by entering

Page 152
________

After figure 10-8, add the following text:

It  would  be  tedious  for  every  user  to  put  settings  in  their  private
initialization  files, so the shells also read a system-wide default file.  For
the Bourne shell family, it is /etc/profile, while the C shell family has three

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files:  /etc/csh.login  to  be executed on login, /etc/csh.cshrc to be executed
when a new shell is started  after  you  log  in,  and  /etc/csh.logout  to  be
executed  when  you  stop  a  shell.   The  start files are executed before the
corresponding individual files.

In  addition,  login  classes  (page  141)  offer  another  method  of  setting
environment variables at a global level.

Changing your shell
___________________

The  FreeBSD  installation  gives root a C shell, csh.  This is the traditional
Berkeley shell, but it has a number of disadvantages: command line  editing  is
very primitive, and the script language is significantly different from that of
the Bourne shell, which is the de facto standard for shell scripts: if you stay
with  the  C  shell,  you  may  still need to understand the Bourne shell.  The
latest version of the Bourne shell sh also includes some command line  editing.
See page 148 for details of how to enable it.

You  can  get  better  command line editing with tcsh, in the Ports Collection.
You can get both better command line editing and Bourne shell syntax with bash,
also in the Ports Collection.

If  you  have root access, you can use vipw to change your shell, but there's a
more general way: use chsh (Change Shell).  Simply run the program.  It  starts
your  favourite editor (as defined by the EDITOR environment variable).  Here's
an example before:

#Changing user database information for velte.
Shell: /bin/csh
Full Name: Jack Velte
Location:
Office Phone:
Home Phone:

You can change anything after the colons.  For example, you might  change  this
to:

#Changing user database information for velte.
Shell: /usr/local/bin/bash
Full Name: Jack Velte
Location: On the road
Office Phone: +1-408-555-1999
Home Phone:

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chsh  checks and updates the password files when you save the modifications and
exit the editor.  The next time you log in, you get the new shell.  chsh  tries
to  ensure you don't make any mistakes--for example, it won't let you enter the
name of a shell which isn't mentioned in the file /etc/shells--but it's a  very
good  idea  to  check  the shell before logging out.  You can try this with su,
which you normally use to become super user:

bumble# su velte
Password:
su-2.00$                 note the new prompt

There are a couple of problems in using tcsh or bash as a root shell:

o The shell for root must be on the root file system,  otherwise  it  will  not
  work  in single user mode.  Unfortunately, most ports of shells put the shell
  in the directory /usr/local/bin, which is  almost  never  on  the  root  file
  system.

o Most  shells  are  dynamically linked: they rely on library routines in files
  such as /usr/lib/libc.a.  These files are not available in single user  mode,
  so  the shells won't work.  You can solve this problem by creating statically
  linked versions of the shell, but this requires programming experience beyond
  the scope of this book.

If you can get hold of a statically linked version, perform the following steps
to install it:

o Copy the shell to /bin, for example:

  # cp /usr/local/bin/bash /bin

o Add the name of the shell to /etc/shells,  in this example the line  in  bold
  print:

  # List of acceptable shells for chpass(1).
  # Ftpd will not allow users to connect who are not using
  # one of these shells.
  /bin/sh
  /bin/csh
  /bin/bash


You can then change the shell for root as described above.


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Thanks  to  Lars Koller  <Lars.Koeller@Uni-Bielefeld.DE> for drawing this to my
attention.

Page 160
________

Replace the text at the fourth bullet with the augmented text:

The second-level boot locates the kernel, by default the file  /kernel  on  the
root file system, and loads it into memory.  It prints the Boot: prompt at this
point so that you can influence this choice--see the man page on page  579  for
more details of what you can enter at this prompt.

Page 169
________

Replace the last paragraph on the page with:

The standard solution for these problems is to relocate the /tmp file system to
a different directory, say /usr/tmp, and create a symbolic link  from  /usr/tmp
to /tmp--see Chapter 4, Installing FreeBSD, page 72, for more details.

Thanks to Charlie Sorsby <crs@hgo.net> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 176
________

Add the following paragraph

Unmounting file systems

When you mount a file system, the system assumes it is going to stay there, and
in the interests of efficiency it delays writing data back to the file  system.
This  is the same effect we discussed on page 158.  As a result, if you want to
stop using a file system, you need to tell the system about it.   You  do  this
with  the umount command.  Note the spelling--there's no n in the command name.

You need to do this even with read-only  media  such  as  CD-ROMs:  the  system
assumes  it  can  access the data from a mounted file system, and it gets quite
unhappy if it can't.  Where possible, it locks  removable  media  so  that  you
can't remove them from the device until you unmount them.

Using  umount  is  straightforward:  just  tell  it what to unmount, either the
device name or the directory name.  For  example,  to  unmount  the  CD-ROM  we

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mounted in the example above, you could enter one of these commands:

# umount /dev/cd1a
# umount /cd1

Before  unmounting  a  file  system, umount checks that nobody is using it.  If
somebody is using it, it will refuse to unmount it with a message like  umount:
/cd1:  Device  busy.   This  message often occurs because you have changed your
directory to a directory on the file system you want to  remove.   For  example
(which also shows the usefulness of having directory names in the prompt):

=== root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) /cd1 16 -> umount /cd1
umount: /cd1: Device busy
=== root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) /cd1 17 -> cd
=== root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) ~ 18 -> umount /cd1
=== root@freebie (/dev/ttyp2) ~ 19 ->

Thanks to Ken Deboy <glockr@locked_and_loaded.reno.nv.us> for pointing out this
omission.

Page 180
________

The example in the middle of the page should read:

For example, to generate a second set of 32 pseudo-terminals, enter:

# cd /dev
# ./MAKEDEV pty1

You can generate up to 256 pseudo-terminals.   They  are  named  ttyp0  through
ttypv,  ttyq0  through  ttyqv,  ttyr0 through ttyrv, ttys0 through ttysv, ttyP0
through ttyPv, ttyQ0 through ttyQv,  ttyR0  through  ttyRv  and  ttyS0  through
ttySv.   To  create  each  set  of 32 terminals, use the number of the set: the
first set is pty0, and the eighth set is pty7.  Note that some processes,  such
as xterm, only look at ttyp0 through ttysv.

Thanks to Karl Wagner <karl@softronex.dynip.com> for pointing out this error.


Page 197, first line
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The text of the first full sentence reads:

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The first name, up the the  symbol, is the label.

In fact, it should read:

The first name, up to the | symbol, is the label.


Page 208, middle of page
________________________

The  example  shows  the  file  name /dev/rst0 when using the Bourne shell, and
/dev/nrst0  when  using  C  shell  and  friends.   This  is  inconsistent;  use
/dev/nrst0 with any shell if you want a non-rewinding tape, or /dev/rst0 if you
want a rewinding tape.

Thanks to Norman C Rice <nrice@emu.sourcee.com> for pointing out this one.

Page 219
________

Before the section Testing the spooler add the following section:

As we saw above, the line  printer  daemon  lpd  is  responsible  for  printing
spooled  jobs.   By default it isn't started at boot time.  If you're root, you
can start it by name:

# lpd

Normally, however, you will want it to be started automatically when the system
starts up.  You do this by setting the variable lpd_enable in /etc/rc.conf:

lpd_enable="YES"              # Run the line printer daemon

See page  for more details of /etc/rc.conf.

Another line in /etc/rc.conf refers to the line printer daemon:

lpd_flags=""        # Flags to lpd (if enabled).

You  don't  normally  need  to  change this line.  See the man page for lpd for
details of the flags.

Thanks to Tommy  G.  James  <tgj@worldnet.att.net>  for  bringing  this  to  my
attention.

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Page 231
________

Replace the first line of the example with:

xhost presto bumble gw

The original version allowed anybody on the Internet to access your system.

Thanks  to  Jerry  Dunham  <dunham@dunham.org>  for  drawing  this  one  to  my
attention.


Page 237
________

In the section Installing the sample desktop, replace the first paragraph with:

You'll  find  all  the  files  described  in  this  chapter on the first CD-ROM
(Installation CD-ROM) in the directory /book.  Remember that you must mount the
CD-ROM  before you can access the files--see page 175 for further details.  The
individual scripts are in the directory /book/scripts, but you'll probably find
it easier to install them with the script install-desktop:

Thanks to Chris Kaiser <kaiserc@fltg.net> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 242
________

The  instructions  for extracting the source files from CD-ROM in the middle of
page 242 are incorrect.  You'll find the kernel sources on the first CD-ROM  in
the directory /src.  Replace the example with:

# mkdir -p /usr/src/sys
# ln -s /usr/src/sys /sys
# cd /
# cat /cdrom/src/ssys.[a-d]* | tar xzvf -

Thanks    to    Raymond    Noel   <raynoel@videotron.ca>,   Suttipan   Limanond
<b0l6604@unix.tamu.edu> and Satwant <wizkid11@xnet.com> for finding this one in
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Page 257
________

Replace the paragraph Berkeley Packet Filter with:


pseudo-device bpfilter
______________________

The  Berkeley  Packet  Filter  (bpf)  allows  you to capture packets crossing a
network interface to disk or to examine them with the  tcpdump  program.   Note
that  this  capability represents a significant compromise of network security.
The number after bpfilter is the number of concurrent processes  that  can  use
the facility.  Not all network interfaces support bpf.

In  order  to  use  the Berkeley Packet Filter, you must also create the device
nodes /dev/bpf0 to /dev/bpf3 (if you're using the default number 4).   Current-
ly, MAKEDEV doesn't help much--you need to create each device separately:

# cd /dev
# ./MAKEDEV bpf0
# ./MAKEDEV bpf1
# ./MAKEDEV bpf2
# ./MAKEDEV bpf3

Thanks  to  Christopher  Raven  <c.raven@ukonline.co.uk> for drawing this to my
attention.

Page 264
________

In the list of disk driver flags, add:

o Bit 12 (0x1000) enables LBA (logical block addressing mode).  If this bit  is
  not set, the driver accesses the disk in CHS (cylinder/head/sector) mode.

o In  CHS  mode, if bits 11 to 8 are not equal to 0, they specify the number of
  heads to assume (between 1 and 15).  The driver recalculates  the  number  of
  cylinders to make up the total size of the disk.






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Page 273, ``Building the kernel''
_________________________________

Replace the example with:

Next, change to the build directory and build the kernel:

# cd ../../compile/FREEBIE
# make depend
# make

   The  make  depend  is needed even if the directory has just been created:
   apart from creating dependency information, it also  creates  some  files
   needed for the build.
Thanks to Mark Ovens <marcov@globalnet.co.uk> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 283, ``Creating the source tree''
______________________________________

Add a third point to what you need to know:

3. Possibly, the date of the last update that you want to be  included  in  the
  checkout.   If  you  specify  this date, cvs ignores any more recent updates.
  This option is often useful when somebody discovers a recently introduced bug
  in  -CURRENT:  you  check  out  the  modules  as they were before the bug was
  introduced.  You specify the date with the -D  option,  for  example  -D  "10
  December 1997".


Page 285, after the second example.
___________________________________

Add the text:

If  you  need  to check out an older version, for example if there are problems
with the most recent version of -CURRENT, you could enter:

# cvs co  -D "10 December 1997" src/sys

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Page 294
________

Add the following section:

Problems executing Linux binaries
_________________________________

One of the problems with the ELF format used by more recent Linux  binaries  is
that  they  usually  contain no information to identify them as Linux binaries.
They might equally well be BSD/OS or UnixWare binaries.  That's  not  really  a
problem  at  this point, since the only ELF format that FreeBSD 3.2 understands
is Linux, but FreeBSD-CURRENT recognizes a native FreeBSD ELF format  as  well,
and  of  course  that's  the default.  If you want to run a Linux ELF binary on
such a system, you must brand the executable using the program  brandelf.   For
example, to brand the StarOffice program swriter3, you would enter:

# brandelf -t linux /usr/local/StarOffice-3.1/linux-x86/bin/swriter3

Thanks to Dan Busarow <dan@dpcsys.com> for bringing this to my attention.

Page 364, middle of page
________________________

Change the text from:

The names MYADDR and HISADDR are keywords which represent the addresses at each
end of the link.  They must be written as shown, though they may  be  in  lower
case.

to

The names MYADDR and HISADDR are keywords which represent the addresses at each
end of the link.  They must be written as shown, though newer versions  of  ppp
allow you to write them in lower case.

Thanks to Mark S. Reichman <mark@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> for this correction.

Page 368
________

Replace the paragraph after the second example with:

In  FreeBSD  version  3.0  and  later,  specify  the  options  PPP_BSDCOMP  and

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PPP_DEFLATE to enable two kinds of compression.  You'll also  need  to  specify
the corresponding option in Kernel PPP's configuration file.  These options are
not available in FreeBSD version 2.

Thanks to Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org> for this information.

Page 397
________

In the section ``Nicknames'', the example should read:

www       IN   CNAME          freebie
ftp       IN   CNAME          presto

In other words, there should be a space between CNAME and the system name.

Page 422
________

Replace the text above the example with:

tcpdump is a program which monitors a network interface and  displays  selected
information which passes through it.  It uses the Berkeley Packet Filter (bpf),
an optional component of the kernel.  It is not included in the GENERIC kernel:
see page 257 for information on how to configure it.

If you don't configure the Berkeley Packet Filter, you will get a message like

tcpdump: /dev/bpf0:  device not configured

If you forget to create the devices for bpf, you will get a message like:

tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: No such file or directory

Since  tcpdump poses a potential security problem, you must be root in order to
run it.  The simplest way to run it is without any parameters.  This will cause
tcpdump  to  monitor  and  display  all  traffic  on  the  first active network
interface, normally Ethernet:

Thanks to Christopher Raven <c.raven@ukonline.co.uk> for  drawing  this  to  my
attention.




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Page 423
________

The  description  at  the  top of the page incorrectly uses the term IP address
instead  of  Ethernet  address.   In  addition,  a  page  number  reference  is
incorrect.  Replace the paragraph with:

o Line  1  shows  an  ARP  request:  system  presto is looking for the Ethernet
  address of wait.  It would appear that  wait  is  currently  not  responding,
  since there is no reply.

o Line 2 is not an IP message at all.  tcpdump shows the Ethernet addresses and
  the beginning of the packet.  We don't consider this kind of request in  this
  book.

o Line 3 is a broadcast ntp message.  We looked at ntp on page 160.

o Line 4 is another attempt by presto to find the IP address of wait.

o Line  5  is  a  broadcast  message  from  bumble  on  the  rwho  port, giving
  information about its current load averages and how long it has been up.  See
  the man page for rwho on page 1167 for more information.

o Line 6 is from a TCP connection between port 6000 on freebie and port 1089 on
  presto.  It is sending 384 bytes (with  the  sequence  numbers  536925467  to
  536925851; see page 305), and is acknowledging that the last byte it received
  from presto had the sequence number 325114346.  The window size is 17280.

o Line 7 is another ARP request.  presto is looking for the Ethernet address of
  freebie.   How  can  that  happen?   We've  just  seen  that  they have a TCP
  connection.  In fact, ARP information expires after 20 minutes.   It's  quite
  possible  that  all  connections between presto and freebie have been dormant
  for this period, so presto needs to find freebie's IP address again.

o Line 8 is the ARP reply from freebie to presto giving its Ethernet address.

o Line 9 shows a reply from presto on the connection to freebie that we saw  on
  line  6.   It  acknowledges  the  data  up  to sequence number 536925851, but
  doesn't send any itself.

o Line 10 shows  another  448  bytes  of  data  from  freebie  to  presto,  and
  acknowledging the same sequence number from presto as in line 6.

Thanks to Sergei S. Laskavy <laskavy@hedgehog.cs.msu.su> for drawing this to my

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attention.

Page 450: anonymous ftp
_______________________

Replace the paragraph starting with Create a user ftp:

Create a user ftp, with the anonymous ftp directory as the home  directory  and
the  shell  /dev/null.  Using /dev/null as the shell makes it impossible to log
in as user ftp, but does not interfere with the use of anonymous ftp.  ftp  can
be a member of group bin, or you can create a new group ftp by adding the group
to /etc/group.  See page 138 for more details of adding users, and the man page
on page 805 for adding groups.

Thanks to Mark S. Reichman <mark@borg.com> for drawing this to my attention.

Page 466, before the ps example
_______________________________

Add another bullet:

o Finally,  you may find it convenient to let some other system handle all your
  mail delivery for you: you just send anything you can't  deliver  locally  to
  this  other  host,  which  sendmail calls a smart host.  This is particularly
  convenient if you send your mail with UUCP.

  To tell sendmail to use a smart host (in our  case,  mail.example.net),  find
  the following line in sendmail.cf:

  # "Smart" relay host (may be null)
  DS

  Change it to:

  # "Smart" relay host (may be null)
  DSmail.example.net


Page 478, ``Running Apache''
____________________________

The  text  describes the location of the server as /usr/local/www/server/httpd.
This appears to depend on where you get the port from.  Some people report  the
file  being  at the more likely location /usr/local/sbin/httpd (though note the

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Install ports when installing the system


directory sbin, not bin).  Check  both  locations  if  you  run  into  trouble.
Thanks to Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au> for this information.

Page 492
________

Replace references to nmdb with nmbd.

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socket  options  is  hardly  mentioned  in  the  documentation,  but  it's very
important:  many  Microsoft  implementations  of  TCP/IP  are  inefficient  and
establish  a  new  TCP  more  often  than necessary.  Select the socket options
TCP_NODELAY and IPTOS_LOWDELAY, which can speed up the response  time  of  such
applications by over 95%.



























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Hi folks!

I now this questions does not belong to freebsd, but since i run it,
this list is the closer i get to have my doubt kicked!

I am planning a web based system to help monitor my boxes! Since it will
be designed to be used by web browsers i would have to install a web
server on every box i would like to set. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.

My ideia is to write a single tools that will listen to an arbitrary
port and will accept http requests and write the output to the user
browser.

Since i will have to known how a form is passed to the web server to
have my small utility written. My questions is: what are the source of
documentation should i seek for ? RFCs ? A kick ass book on UNIX Network
Programming? What you gurus suggest me ?

Thanks a lot for your time and cooperation.

best regards,
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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Mike Meyer wrote:

> Jim Durham <durham@w2xo.pgh.pa.us> types:
> > On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, David Banning wrote:
> > Interesting! I have been wondering about dynamic dns. What do
> > they do about caching name servers? I find that changing the
> > DNS entry takes a couple days to propagate..
> 
> All real dns servers cache. But the length of time they can cache an
> entry is controled by the people who control the servers for that
> domain. Servers for dynamic versions set that time to *very* short, so
> the changes propagate quickly. The downside is that their servers get
> pounded for updates.
> 

However, some domains have rules as to the minimum time to live
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Hi there,

You might wanna try mrtg and snmp :) What i did was to install and run snmp
on the different boxes..and customise mrtg on the specific machine that runs
the monitoring mrtg
 which in returns listens on the results from the various boxes' snmp.

blah my english is not good tis morning. Sorry.

Hope this helps,

James Lim




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> Hi folks!
>
> I now this questions does not belong to freebsd, but since i run it,
> this list is the closer i get to have my doubt kicked!
>
> I am planning a web based system to help monitor my boxes! Since it will
> be designed to be used by web browsers i would have to install a web
> server on every box i would like to set. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
>
> My ideia is to write a single tools that will listen to an arbitrary
> port and will accept http requests and write the output to the user
> browser.
>
> Since i will have to known how a form is passed to the web server to
> have my small utility written. My questions is: what are the source of
> documentation should i seek for ? RFCs ? A kick ass book on UNIX Network
> Programming? What you gurus suggest me ?
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and cooperation.
>
> best regards,
> Gustavo Rios.
>
>
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James Lim wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> You might wanna try mrtg and snmp :) What i did was to install and run snmp
> on the different boxes..and customise mrtg on the specific machine that runs
> the monitoring mrtg
>  which in returns listens on the results from the various boxes' snmp.
> 
> blah my english is not good tis morning. Sorry.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> James Lim

Dear James,

Thanks a lot for reply (VERY fast response, thanks twice!).
I know about many solutions and writting my own it's not reasonable, but
my main goal is:

1) get an high level on programming over UNIX plataform (i.e., FreeBSD);
and
2) get expert understanding on the protocols that "rules" the internet
(i decided to start on the application layer, specially the HTTP, and
get down to the physical layer).

That's why i am considering writing my own solution.

Any other advice?

Thanks for your time!


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Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> Mmm..
> It's nearly Christmas so a small prize may be awarded
> if you can get rid of a file whose name is
> -<bs>*<bs>
> 
> Where <bs> is the backspace character.

So you want to remove a file that looks like this:

guru$ ls -b -- -*
-\b*\b

How you quote the <bs> character to get it past the input routines
will depend on your tty settings (specifically, lnext). Letting <bs>
stand for the appropriate sequence of keystrokes to get the <bs> fed
to rm, it can be done by one of: "rm -- '-<bs>*<bs>'", "rm ./-<bs>\*<bs>",
or similar things.

You can use printf to eliminate the lnext dependency, but if your
erase character isn't C-h, you'll need to use something other than \b
for the escape sequence.

	rm `printf "./\b*\b"`

However, you may trip over some shells having printf as a builtin, so
you can use a suitable scripting language (with the same caveat about
\b):

	python -c "import os; os.unlink('-\b*\b')"

And of course, to be *really* ham-handed about it, you can always use
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Oops! Dumb move. I didn't have all of the sources installed.
Thanks to everybody who responded, though!
T.I. 

>Hello all,
>This might be a dumb question, but I am new to FreeBSD and can't figure
>it
>out. I got Freebsd 4.1 installed on my soon-to-be firewall. Everything
>seems
>ok. 
>Problem is, when I try to make a new kernel I edit the MYKERNEL config
>file,
>do
>/usr/sbin/config MYKERNEL
>cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL
>make depend

>Make depend always fails saying:
>don't know how to make ../../kern/genassym.sh

>Am I missing something or am I doing something wrong?
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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After installing Staroffice 5.2 on two different 4.1
machines, I noticed that networking is totally
non-functional. IE; no browsing, ftp or e-mail.

Searching the mail archives turned up a couple
references to this problem but no solution.

????

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Hi there,


Hi :) Perhaps the only advice i can give you to my own ability is that u
might wanna start from snmp?

Regards,
James Lim

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To: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>; <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:22 AM
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> James Lim wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > You might wanna try mrtg and snmp :) What i did was to install and run
snmp
> > on the different boxes..and customise mrtg on the specific machine that
runs
> > the monitoring mrtg
> >  which in returns listens on the results from the various boxes' snmp.
> >
> > blah my english is not good tis morning. Sorry.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > James Lim
>
> Dear James,
>
> Thanks a lot for reply (VERY fast response, thanks twice!).
> I know about many solutions and writting my own it's not reasonable, but
> my main goal is:
>
> 1) get an high level on programming over UNIX plataform (i.e., FreeBSD);
> and
> 2) get expert understanding on the protocols that "rules" the internet
> (i decided to start on the application layer, specially the HTTP, and
> get down to the physical layer).
>
> That's why i am considering writing my own solution.
>
> Any other advice?
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
>
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Hi,

I have an Asus CUSI-FX motherboard based on the SiS630E chipset.  I'm
trying to get the onboard ethernet working.  Evidently the SiS630E chipset
includes a variant of the SiS 900 network hardware.

The kernel recognizes the network device thusly:

sis0: <SiS 900 10/100BaseTX> port 0xd400-0xd4ff mem 0xeb800000-0xeb800fff
irq 10 at device 1.1 on pci0
sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:00:00:00:00

So, the driver loads, but the MAC address isn't set correctly.  It works
fine except that the other stations on the network get all zero's as the
Mac address for that station, which (I imagine) could cause some problems.

On the SiS site they have an updated ('beta') version of the Linux SiS 900
driver that's supposed to handle the SiS630E chipset.  Comparing the
updated driver with the original Linux driver and the new FreeBSD driver,
I discovered that there is a change in the way the ethernet address is
stored between the old SiS 900 NIC and the newer SiS630 series chipsets.  
On the SiS 900 the MAC address was stored in the EEPROM, which is where
the FreeBSD driver wants to find it. On the SiS630 the MAC address is
stored in the "APC CMOS RAM", whatever that is.  That's where the updated
Linux driver looks if it detects a SiS630e chipset.

Evidently the trick to getting the MAC address is to set some flag in the
SiS PCI/ISA bridge, then do some mysterious jigger-ing with inb and
outb.  I don't know much about kernel hacking, you understand.

So my questions are:

1) What is the FreeBSD equivalent of the Linux pci_find_device() function?
-- ie get a pci device address from the vendor and product IDs

2) Is use of inb and outb basically the same as in Linux?

3) What the heck is the Linux code doing?


Also there seem to be some other 630E specific code sections in the Linux
driver, to handle "bugs on default value of PHY registers" and the "630E
equalizer workaroung rule".  Are these important, I wonder?


The updated 630E Linux driver is available for download on this page:
http://www.sis.com.tw/support/download/linux.htm#linuxlan

Here's the source code URLs:
http://www.sis.com.tw/ftp/Drivers/linux/630s/sis900.c
http://www.sis.com.tw/ftp/Drivers/linux/630s/sis900.h

The functions I'm looking at are:
sis900_get_mac_addr()  : line 209 -- get address the old way
sis630e_get_mac_addr() : line 231 -- get address on the 630e chipset



Oliver






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From: "steve hoyle" <hoylesd@crosslink.net>
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Subject: boot error


I'm getting an error when I try to boot into FreeBSD 4.0.  I loaded the OS
with no problems.  I loaded the Standard bootmanager, and did an auto-config
for partitioning my hard drive.  After installation, the computer restarted
and went into bsd with no problems.  The next time I restarted, and now
every time I try to boot up, here's what happens:

(goes through initial boot process fine, memory test, device listing....)

Updating DMI Pool Data ..................Update Success
Not ufs
Not ufs
No /boot/loader

>>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:
Not ufs
No /kernel

>>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT
Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:

And the curser flashes there.  Help!!  I can't get it to boot!  I've tried
reinstalling it totally, and it does the same thing.
Any help on this would be appreciated.  Thanks!

-Steve

How big of a hard drive do you have?  Some PCs cannot boot if the root
partition extends beyond cylinder 1024 of the hard drive.  If your hard
drive is larger than 2gigs (I think that's it) then you could be running
into this problem....the terminology gets a little tricky here, but what I
like to do is make two partitions on the disk.....make the first one about
100 megs and then use the rest of the disk for the second one.  When you
install, put the root filesystem on the first partition, and pot /usr and
swap on the second one.  You can also put /var and /home and whatever else
on the second partition, I prefer to symlink them from /usr, but that's just
me.  Doing this will ensure that your root partition with all the boot
loaders and so forth is inside the 1024 cylinder boundry.

Josh




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I hate to continue a thread with such an obnoxious ranting poster but:

> that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize
> my multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;

Your what? Do I read this right? "multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi
device"? Maybe I'm just an ignorant freebsd user, but wth is that? :)

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I installed a 30G hard drive and cvsup'd to 4.2-Stable
When i do top , i get this below

$ top
top: nlist failed


My partitions are:
/	9G
/home	6G
/home1	5G
/usr	2G
/var	1G
swap	512M


Do i need to reformat to make / smaller or is there other options?


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On Saturday 02 December 2000 00:05, Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios 
wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I now this questions does not belong to freebsd, but since i run it,
> this list is the closer i get to have my doubt kicked!
>
> I am planning a web based system to help monitor my boxes! Since it will
> be designed to be used by web browsers i would have to install a web
> server on every box i would like to set. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
>
> My ideia is to write a single tools that will listen to an arbitrary
> port and will accept http requests and write the output to the user
> browser.
>
> Since i will have to known how a form is passed to the web server to
> have my small utility written. My questions is: what are the source of
> documentation should i seek for ? RFCs ? A kick ass book on UNIX Network
> Programming? What you gurus suggest me ?
>
Mmmm.
This is a fairly ambitious project :)
Some questions:
1 - Can you already program in "C" or "perl", these are the two best
choices (wait for contrary opinions !) for network programming.
2 - Do you know what sockets are ?

If yes and yes. I would if I were you start off by writing some
simple socket programs. This will give you a good appreciation of
TCP/IP issues (and is very satsifying).
Write a simple client/server program pair that will copy files
from one system to another, that's a good exercise.

Remember RFC are semi-formal protocol specifications, they don;t write
the code !
The very best book on this kind of thing is Unix Network Programming, by ..??
Cannot remember his name. It used to be in 1 edition, now it is in 2 I 
believe. It is INCREDIBLY expensive (at least in Holland where I live). But
it is just about all you will ever need to know, and is real world stuff.

Good Luck.
Post your progress :)

Cliff



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On Saturday 02 December 2000 02:36, Matt Heckaman wrote:
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> I hate to continue a thread with such an obnoxious ranting poster but:
> > that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize
> > my multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;
>
> Your what? Do I read this right? "multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi
> device"? Maybe I'm just an ignorant freebsd user, but wth is that? :)
>
This could all just be a wind-up of course .. lol


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Hi Spades,

                What version of freebsd did u cvsuped from? if you get this
error there might be a problem loading ur kernel or during your cvsup/make
world.
try looking at /usr/src/UPDATING for more information.

btw Spades, just an advice, try looking into the mailing list search in
www.freebsd.org before you posts questions you or most likely no one will
answer/help you

Hope this helps,

James Lim

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> I installed a 30G hard drive and cvsup'd to 4.2-Stable
> When i do top , i get this below
>
> $ top
> top: nlist failed
>
>
> My partitions are:
> / 9G
> /home 6G
> /home1 5G
> /usr 2G
> /var 1G
> swap 512M
>
>
> Do i need to reformat to make / smaller or is there other options?
>
>
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Hi,

I was running 3 drives in a RAID5 configuration but I now want
to change it to using 2 drives concatendate.  

The create goes through fine but when I do a newfs -v I get an
in input/output error which is a sympton that I haven't initiallised
the plexes.

What is the correct syntax for the init command

if I try init -w develop.s0.p0 I get the following error
vinum[519]: initiallising subdisk /dev/vinum/sd/develop.p0.s0
can't initialize /dev/vinum/sd/develop.p0.so: device busy (16)

and get booted out of the vinum program.

I'm running 4.2-Stable on Epox socket A motherboard with Thunderbird 900.
The harddisks are all scsi attached to the a Tekram 390F controller.

Thankx

Marc

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Brian Beattie wrote:

> On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > Brian Beattie wrote:
> > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > > > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> > > 
> > > twiddle
> > 
> > A twiddle is the little spinning ascii icon {/-\|/-...}, like the one that the
> > boot loader uses. At least I think its the boot loader, haven't had to reboot in
> > a while. :)
> >
> No you are wrong 

The spinning thingy is called a "propeller".

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Hello,
Due to a moment or 7 of braindeadness I just cocked up a
what should have been a straightforward matter.
I am exploring BSD (or will be). On the system I want to use
I have some Linux partitions on the low 8 Gigs, and have installed
BSD on the high 8 gigs. 
I chose to let the installation install the BSD boot loader, because
I recalled it once quite cleverly for me installed itself and
gave one of the boot options as my Linux system.
Alas I think the last system I tested this on was not set up
quite the same as this one.
Anway, i rebooted and got the BSD prompt, sure enough it would
call Lilo to boot Linux (though lilo had lost my configuration somewhere,
but that is not an issue here), but when I choose the option to boot BSD
it squeaked at me in a most unfriendly manner.

I know zip about the BSD loader, I cannot adjust Lilo to deak with BSD ..
too far away into the disk >1024, and my Bios is too old to support the
LBA mode of lilo.
Now, can BSD boot handle this ? I can mount the BSD partition under Linux;
does anyone have a suggestion as to how to proceed then ? It doesnt
matter if I zap lilo from the boot sector, I can always get back to linux from
a boot disk.

Suggestions ?

thanks

Cliff 


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Peter Brezny wrote:
> 
> I just used cvsup to update all sources on my system to 4-stable
> 
> after removing files in /usr/obj and cd /usr/src make world
> 
> the rebuild runs for a short time followed by
> 
> "===> libiberty
> make:don't know how to make cp-demangle.c. Stop
> *** Error code 2
> 
> Has something gone off in the source or do I have a local problem here?
> 
> Any help trouble shooting this is appreciated.

It only seems to be a problem if you are upgrading using cvsup from
one of the older 3.x versions. I have rebuilt my fast machine for two
days in a row and didn't have any problems.

Kent

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> TIA
> 
> Peter Brezny
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<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>I logged in and all via FTP then
got an error:


200 Type set to A.

PORT 207,243,100,215,5,37

200 PORT command successful.

LIST

425 Can't create data socket ((=B6=12(=1A=02,=C6=F4=11(H=B6=12(=E0=D4=13(=FC=
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James Lim wrote:
> 
> Hi Spades,
> 
>                 What version of freebsd did u cvsuped from? if you get this
> error there might be a problem loading ur kernel or during your cvsup/make
> world.
> try looking at /usr/src/UPDATING for more information.
> 
> btw Spades, just an advice, try looking into the mailing list search in
> www.freebsd.org before you posts questions you or most likely no one will
> answer/help you

This is a common error when you cvsup and don't do the whole job. You
have to build both the user land (buildworld) and your kernel.

Kent

> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> James Lim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 9:40 AM
> Subject: top: nlist failed
> 
> > I installed a 30G hard drive and cvsup'd to 4.2-Stable
> > When i do top , i get this below
> >
> > $ top
> > top: nlist failed
> >
> >
> > My partitions are:
> > / 9G
> > /home 6G
> > /home1 5G
> > /usr 2G
> > /var 1G
> > swap 512M
> >
> >
> > Do i need to reformat to make / smaller or is there other options?
> >
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Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> >
> Mmmm.
> This is a fairly ambitious project :)
> Some questions:
> 1 - Can you already program in "C" or "perl", these are the two best
> choices (wait for contrary opinions !) for network programming.
> 2 - Do you know what sockets are ?

1) I can code in C! I only code in C! I known nothing about perl.
2) I known nothing about sockets!

> If yes and yes. I would if I were you start off by writing some
> simple socket programs. This will give you a good appreciation of
> TCP/IP issues (and is very satsifying).
> Write a simple client/server program pair that will copy files
> from one system to another, that's a good exercise.

i took down your suggestion!


> Remember RFC are semi-formal protocol specifications, they don;t write
> the code !

Yeah! I known, But i believe it will be necessary to read some RFC! I
have doubts like: How the web server detects it is receving a data from
a form ?

May you point me some source of information!

> The very best book on this kind of thing is Unix Network Programming, by ..??
> Cannot remember his name. It used to be in 1 edition, now it is in 2 I
> believe. It is INCREDIBLY expensive (at least in Holland where I live). But
> it is just about all you will ever need to know, and is real world stuff.

I will buy it! Any other suggestion?

> Good Luck.
> Post your progress :)

I will, as soon as i can!
 
> Cliff


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Hi Spades,

            It seems that I have told you to check the mailing lists =
first which would be useful to you :)

http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html#mailinglists


Regards,
James Lim


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  I logged in and all via FTP then got an error:

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  PORT 207,243,100,215,5,37
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  LIST
  425 Can't create data socket =
((=B6=12(=1A=02,=C6=F4=11(H=B6=12(=E0=D4=13(=FCh=05=08=C0=B9=05=08=04): =
No buffer space available.

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Andy Farkas wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Brian Beattie wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Brandon Fosdick wrote:
> > > Brian Beattie wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Hill wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What about ~? In grade school I learned that it was pronounced "TIL-duh"
> > > > > but I have a friend who calls it "TIL-day."
> > > >
> > > > twiddle
> > >
> > > A twiddle is the little spinning ascii icon {/-\|/-...}, like the one that the
> > > boot loader uses. At least I think its the boot loader, haven't had to reboot in
> > > a while. :)
> > >
> > No you are wrong
> 
> The spinning thingy is called a "propeller".

No, it's a twirling baton.

> 
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I'm not trying to do a "me too" post, but I've got an older Toshiba
330CDS, with all components supported and runing flawlessly under
FreeBSD 4.2 and XFree86 4.0.1. Sound is supported (OPL-3Ax), PCMCIA
cards for modem and NIC work too. Cool beans.
-Otter


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}> Does FreeBSD run on laptop computers?
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}Yes, most perform well, I currently run FreeBSD 4.0 on my
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Serial wrote:

> Now I would like to log FTP and telnet Log-in's from teleworkers who connect
> to the machine from the internet.
> I woul like to see the time and IP numer from which users Log-in.
> 
> I have looked at the /var/log/messages file but this only shows SU Login's.

You probably want to do what the comment in /etc/syslog.conf says:

# uncomment this to enable logging of all log messages to /var/log/all.log
*.*                                             /var/log/all.log

After doing that, restart the deamon:

  touch /var/log/all.log
  kill -HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pid`

All messages will now be logged to that file.

But that is not the real answer to your question :-)  The real answer is
that login(1) messages are logged with level daemon.info, ftp messages are
logged with level ftp.* and you don't have these being logged via
/etc/syslog.conf directives.

Hope this helps :-)

> 
> All help is greatly appriciated!
> 
> Luke
> 

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Vladimir Dennis writes:
> Hi All,
> When somethere on the NET will appear 4.1.1. full CD pack?

Never. The CD sets are sold to support the project. So that some of 
those who dedicate every waking moment to FreeBSD can afford to feed 
their cat and pay for the network connection so others can download 
freely.

Truth of the matter is the other 3 CD's don't have anything you can't 
download other than the neat job Jordan does arranging everything.

As for 4.1.1, there never was a CD set. I'm guessing the 4.2.0 set will 
contibute to the Christmas mail over load.

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I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process of newly
installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the initial
or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot or
turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD Desktop
Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system messages:

Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
Automatic boot in progress
/dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
/dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
/dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
/dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
Automatic file system check failed...help!
Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:


After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E) the
following command and received(R) the system's response:

(E) /stand/sysinstall
(R) Error opening terminal: cons25
(E) mkdir /usr/var
(R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
(E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
(R) tar: not found
    cd: can't cd to /usr/var
    tar: not found


Please reply ASAP
Regards
Tunjie L. Sumner




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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:19:22PM -0500, Passki, Jonathan P wrote:
> Yes, us lazy Americans hate that 'ou' thing the Brits try to always
> interject, like 'colour' and 'valour.'

I think that originates from the French where such words end ~eur. Of
course it was Noah Webster who dropped the 'u'.

> Also, why can't the Brits us an
> occasional 'z' in their words; initialize, serialize, and other words like
> them just look cool w/ the 'z' in them, not that 's' substitution the Brits
> use.
> 

Curiously, this is the one group of words that Americans spell correctly
and we get wrong. If you look in older editions of the OED you will find
such words spelled exclusively ~ize. Only in more recent editions (<10
years) will ~ise appear and then only as an *alternative* spelling. I have
great fun at work when writing docs where I always use ~ize and,
invariably, the reviewer pulls me up on it so I pull out a dictionary (and
slap him 'round the back of the head with it)....

> Here's another good one, though: /etc
> 

FWIW, slash ee tee cee

> Some people pronounce it like its root word, etcetera, which is
> grammatically correct, since etcetera is abbreviated like "etc."  Others say
> it like "et-sEE."  What's the better one?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Lai [mailto:PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:31
> > To: 'David Talkington '; 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org '
> > Subject: RE: Pronunciations
> > 
> > 
> >  well, if you want to do a linguistical analysis on it:
> > 
> > /lib is where you find "libs" (the i is short, ryhmes with 
> > "fibs"). However
> > "libs" is derived from "lIbraries", which rhymes with "vIbe".
> > since "/lib" is a descendant of "libs" which is an altered 
> > descendent of
> > "lIbraries" you should be able to pronounce "libs" with the short i.
> > i mean, you would prononounce "GTK-libs" as ryhming with "fibs" so why
> > wouldn't you do the same with "slash-lib".
> > 
> > /bin is the place where you find "bInaries". but then you can 
> > say it's the
> > "bin where you find programs". refer to eric s. raymond's 
> > hackers jargon
> > dictionary. So linguistically it would make sense for you to pronounce
> > "/bIn" with the long vowel. But, americans are `lazy' and it 
> > takes less
> > energy to say the short vowel.
> > 
> > i mean, "missiles" can be pronounced "missels" or "missILes", 
> > the former
> > being the american prounouciation and the latter, the british method.
> > 
> > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> > Sent: 11/30/2000 12:47 PM
> > Subject: Pronunciations
> > 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > 
> > Salutations.
> > 
> > There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
> > in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
> > they may.  (There's no money on it.)
> > 
> > /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
> > /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
> > peeco or pyco?
> > 
> > I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
> > back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
> > authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.
> > 
> > Cheers!  -d
> > 
> > - -- 
> > David Talkington
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Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks
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We are the borg!  You will be assimilated...

sound familiar?  =3DP  Blow it out your arse punk!  As for me in my house, I=
=20
shall use a Unix OS!

- Jim

At 05:24 PM 12/1/2000 -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
>So go whine at the people you gave the $60 to, not the *volunteers*
>who are on the -questions list. You might as well drop me from the CC
>list - the only whining children I have to deal with are mine; except
>they've grown past acting like you do. Once I read the claim that you
>paid for the right, I stopped reading.
>
>         <mike
>
>xavian anderson macpherson <professional3d@home.com> types:
> > i paid for the right to whine!  i still have a $60 box of software that=
 is
> > nothing more than a doorstop. ironically, the only way that i may be=20
> able to
> > use the software on the freebsd cd's, is to buy a MICROSOFT PRODUCT aka
> > INTERIX.  THE ONLY REDEMPTION YOU HAVE NOW IS TO WRITE A FREEBSD KERNEL=
=20
> THAT
> > FUNCTIONS AS A DLL OR EXE IN WINDOWS!  if you can make all of the=
 stability
> > features of freebsd portable to windows, such that freebsd becomes a=20
> package
> > that windows users can add-on to their existing platform, to function=20
> in the
> > same way as the ANTICRASH and other utilities that i have running on my
> > system, then you may have some sort of redemption in terms of a=20
> future.  but
> > based on what i have included in this email below, freebsd and everyone=
=20
> elso
> > too) has a very limited term of existance in the face of increasing
> > MICROSOFT encroachment into unix interoperability.  UNIX WILL BECOME A
> > UTILITY FOR WINDOWS.  think i'm crazy?  read (the third paragrph) below!
> > THE ONLY THING THAT PREVENTED MICROSOFT FROM HAVING ABSOLUTE DOMINANCE
> > BEFORE, WAS IT'S LACK OF A VIABLE UNIX IMPLEMENTATION.  even APPLE=
 computer
> > now has a linux platform.  when MICROSOFT does with linux what freebsd=
 did,
> > and allows linux to run in windows NT/2000, linux and unix will fall=
 under
> > the single auspices of MICROSOFT.  whether that will be functionally=20
> true or
> > not is irrelevant.  MICROSOFT ONLY HAS TO CREATE THE IMPRESSION OR
> > APPEARANCE OF COMPLETE INTEROPERABILITY.  ONCE MICROSOFT HAS NEGATED THE
> > ARGUEMENT OF WINDOWS VS UNIX (BY PORTING UNIX TO WINDOWS) THERE WILL
> > NOLONGER BE ANY ATTENTION PAID TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WINDOWS.  IT WAS A
> > HEROIC ATTEMPT AT THE PRESIDENCY, BUT MICROSOFT CONTROLS THE=20
> ELECTION!  IT'S
> > OVER!!
> >
> > [this paragraph was written before i added everything about INTERIX in=
 the
> > paragraph above.  i only leave this here as history, as freebsd will=20
> shortly
> > become.  MS INTERIX may answer all of the questions and aspirations i
> > previously had.]  THE QUESTION WAS, WHEN WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO INSTALL
> > FREEBSD FROM WINDOWS NT WITHOUT HAVING TO USE BOOT DISKS TO DO SO.  I=
 GEUSS
> > YOU DIDN'T READ THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE EMAIL.  I THINK THAT IS WHAT IT=
=20
> (THE
> > SUBJECTLINE) IS FOR.  IT STATED VERY CLEARLY THE INTENT, PURPOSE AND
> > QUESTION POSED BY THE EMAIL.  i geuss i was wrong to believe the=20
> advertising
> > on the box.  i had no reason, based on what was purported in the the
> > statement of `professional quality', `for serious internet users',=
 etc.to
> > mean that freebsd would offer a LOWER LEVEL OF COMPATABLITY than the=
 linux
> > systems i had previously used.  i brought freebsd because i thought it=
=20
> would
> > give me the level of interoperabilty that i wanted.  what i wanted was a
> > single OSystem that would run linux and unix on one single platform. =
 the
> > sad fact is that even if i did get it running, i still wouldn't have use=
 of
> > my cdrom or the scsi disk which i had previously used with both linux
> > versions (and now NT as well) for the exclusive purpose of virtual=
 memory
> > space.  i am not about to go out and buy a new scsi controller to=
 make-up
> > for the shortcomings of one operating system.  freebsd was supposed to=
 have
> > been around longer than linux.  why then is it deficient in the area of
> > drivers for ancient equipment that were clearly around before linux even
> > existed?   this is really not an issue of age or maturity regarding a
> > specific OS.  it is a matter of intent.  linux strove for universality=
 from
> > it's inception.  maybe i am way off base.  i am often wrong.  but i do=
 know
> > that i wanted a single OS that would handle unix and linux.  (I HAD NO
> > DESIRE TO GO BACK TO WINDOWS!!)  SINGLE SYSTEM INTEROPERABLITY is what
> > freebsd claimed to do.  that is why i brought it.  i thought i would not=
 be
> > without ANY of the functionality i came to expect from linux.  freebsd=
 did
> > not deliver on the satisfaction of my expectations which were in fact
> > reasonable, based on the statements i read on the box.  superior is just
> > that, SUPERIOR!  it is a term of absolutes.  it is was also further=
 claimed
> > in the 800 page handbook (which was my main reason for buying the
> > power-pak), that freebsd had a higher level of developement than linux=
 and
> > was therefore more stable as a result.  (based on these claims, why=20
> should i
> > have expected to not be able to use the equipemnt i was already using in
> > linux?)  i had no reason to think that freebsd was in being selective in
> > it's statements of superiority.  that box should have had a big=20
> asteRISK! on
> > it.  with more emphasis on RISK!  as in buy at your own RISK!; the
> > statements made herein do not reflect the qualitites purported to be=
 true.
> >
> > now, while you gloat at the apparent triumph the unix community may=20
> think it
> > gained by MS buying INTERIX and now including it as part of the windows
> > environment, IT IS NOT A TRIUMPH.  the bottomline is that MS is not=20
> about to
> > go away.  YOU CAN THINK OF THIS MICROSOFT ACQUISITION AS THE ANT OR WASP=
 (i
> > forget which does what to whom) THAT LAYS IT'S EGGS IN THE BODY OF THE
> > OTHER, ONLY TO HAVE IT'S LARVAE EAT IT'S HOST FROM THE INSIDE OUT!! =
 they
> > will never forfeit their dominance on the computing community, no=20
> matter how
> > infantile you may think their systems are.  MS  will eat you from the=20
> inside
> > out.  as i stated in another email, MS  can integrate any opensource=
 unix
> > (and/or linux) into the windows environment it wants to.  and it will. =
 it
> > (MS) has already stated that they are going include INTERIX into the
> > SERVICES FOR UNIX in future releases.  when MS completely integrates=
 unix
> > (INTERIX) into windows 2000, so that any unix application can run on=
 that
> > (win2000) platform, without having a separate unix kernel to provide=
 that
> > functionality, NOONE WILL WRITE UNIX APPLICATIONS FOR ANYTHING ELSE THAN
> > WHAT MICROSOFT DECLARES IS THE LEGITIMATE UNIX ENVIRONMENT FOR WINDOWS=
 (AND
> > HENCE THE WORLD)!  microsoft has the power to make such a pronouncement=
 for
> > all the world to follow.  and once said, the world will do just that,
> > FOLLOW!  including you!
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/zipdocs/interix_technotes.exe  this=
 is
> > the link for all the documentation regarding the functionaslity of=
 INTERIX
> > in the windows environment.  of course you need windows to read it. so=
 for
> > those of you who don't have windows, i'll download and extract it, and
> > repackage it as a zip file to attach to this email.  even if you don't=
 use
> > windows at all, it makes sense to know what MICROSOFT intends to do=20
> with the
> > unix community.  CANNABALISM couldn't be better!
> >
> > "Interix 2.2 is a perfect complement to our current UNIX=
 interoperability
> > solution, and in the future, we plan to combine this functionality with
> > Microsoft Windows Services for UNIX into one comprehensive UNIX=
 application
> > migration and interoperability solution."   DO YOU SEE THE WRITING ON=
 THE
> > WALL?
> >
> > ANY CLAIM THAT YOU MAKE AGAINST THE LEGITIMACY OF RUNNING UNIX IN=
 WINDOWS,
> > CAN BE EQUALLY MADE AGAINST RUNNING LINUX IN FREEBSD.  WHAT JUSTIFIES=
 ONE
> > JUSTIFIES THE OTHER!!  Microsoft may get it wrong to start out with, but
> > that won't be the case for long.  they want absolute domination.  and=
 they
> > will do whatever it takes to do that.  INTERIX is the "shot across the=
 bow"
> > of the unix community.  it serves to give notice of the MS agenda to=
 usurp
> > any legitimacy of unix as their own.  when (previously unix) developers
> > realize that they have the absolute standard of windows on which to=
 build
> > their packages, all further unix developement will be windows unix (as
> > defined only by MICROSOFT) developement.  it will nolonger be a matter=
 of
> > which version of unix is superior to another.  that question will be=
 MOOT.
> > it will be as it has always been, a question of profitability and=
 expense.
> > NO, I DON'T REALLU LIKE THE IDEA OF ONLY HAVING MICROSOFT CONTROLLING
> > EVERYTHING.  but there are plenty of things in this life that i don't
> > particularly like.  and my or your disliking the reality of the world in
> > which we live, does not change that world.  only intelligent directed=20
> action
> > will do that.  my statement about writing the freebsd kernel as a=
 windows
> > dll or exe mayseem reprehensible to you, but ultimately your survival=
 will
> > depend on that very act of infiltration.  you cannot stop the=
 INEVITABILITY
> > of MICROSOFT porting unix into windows NT/2000.  that is clearly their
> > intent.  noone is going to want to write unix apllications that don't
> > conform to any standards that MICROSOFT imposes by the dictates of their
> > massive dominance.
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/interix/default.asp
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/interix/features.asp
> > http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2000/Feb00/InterixPR.asp
> >
> > "Interix provided all of the UNIX functionality necessary to efficiently
> > move the code to Windows NT," Klinect said. "One of the key advantages=
 was
> > that the code ported to Interix could still be deployed on the IRS'=
 legacy
> > UNIX systems during its transition to Windows NT, maintaining the=
 required
> > 24x7 full functionality for this mission-critical application."
> >
> > Interix 2.2 eases the migration of existing UNIX applications and=20
> scripts by
> > providing a robust, high-performance environment for running such
> > applications. It allows users with UNIX environments to take advantage=
 of
> > the benefits of the Windows environment without having to rewrite=
 critical
> > applications. In addition, users can immediately use the full=
 Windows-based
> > application development environment to develop native Win32=AE API-based
> > applications. Interix 2.2 provides over 300 utilities and tools and is=
=20
> fully
> > integrated with the Windows desktop, security model and file system.=20
> Interix
> > 2.2 is a native subsystem to Windows, providing the highest performance=
 for
> > running UNIX applications. The Interix 2.2 Software Development Kit,=
 which
> > is included with Interix 2.2, supports over 1,900 UNIX APIs and helps=
 ease
> > migration of existing UNIX applications to the Interix environment.
> >
> > Interix 2.2 provides UNIX users with a familiar environment and set of=
=20
> tools
> > to leverage their existing UNIX expertise. For example, the tools and
> > utilities behave exactly as they would on other UNIX systems while
> > preserving the look and feel of UNIX applications, which eliminates the=
=20
> need
> > to retrain users. Interix 2.2 also provides extensive scripting support=
 and
> > enables users to maintain the use of common scripting languages and=
 tools.
> >
> > <IF I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABOUT THIS BEFORE, I WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT=
 FREEBSD!!>
> >
> > Interix 2.2 brings Microsoft customers one step closer to its vision of=
 a
> > single desktop computer for all uses by providing a complete enterprise
> > platform to run all Windows-based, UNIX and Internet applications.=
 Interix
> > 2.2 also helps simplify the administration of heterogeneous environments=
 by
> > providing UNIX system administrators with access to Windows-based=
 systems
> > using familiar tools and management strategies, thus reducing system
> > administration and total cost of ownership. Interix 2.2 also provides=20
> system
> > administrators with a familiar set of remote administration tools and=
 batch
> > support, enabling efficient system administration.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mike Meyer" <mwm@mired.org>
> > To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
> > Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks
> >
> >
> > > I hope you enjoyed writing your troll. I only wish you had been mature
> > > enough to post it to the correct list, or not to post it at all. This
> > > is QUESTIONS@freebsd.org. You didn't ask any. Since your message was
> > > nothing but opinion and ranting, it should have gone to
> > > ADVOCACY@freebsd.org.
> > >
> > > If you don't like FreeBSD because it won't do what you want, either
> > > don't use, or fix it. If you don't have the expertise to fix it,
> > > either hire someone, or ask politely. Coming off like a whining
> > > preschooler won't get you help, it'll just make people mad at you.
> > >
> > > <mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
> > this is an updated version of the letter previously sent.
> >
> > ORIGINAL MESSAGE
> > xavian anderson macpherson
> > http://www.professional3d.com
> >
> > i purchased freebsd about two months ago.  i have not yet been able to=
 get
> > it to run.  i went through the trouble and expense of buying the=
 power-pak
> > 4.0 so that i would have the 800 page handbook.  (i wanted freebsd=20
> because i
> > thought it would be the last system i would ever need to buy.)  i also
> > wanted the full 10-cd collection of software.  the fact of the matter is
> > that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize=
 my
> > multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;  which by the way, both
> > versions of linux (suse and mandrake) and windows nt were able to use
> > without any difficulty whatsoever.  i have found the repeated claims of
> > freebsd superiority to be a bunch of crap!
> >
> > i have absolutely no idea how something so superior to windows and linux=
 is
> > unable to recognize the presense of my adaptec aha152x scsi adaptor on=
 my
> > soundblaster 16 card.  maybe it's too beneath freebsd to recognize my=
 lowly
> > implementation of scsi.  i knew that freebsd claimed to be mature; maybe
> > poor vision is also the side-effect of this protracted maturity.  either
> > that or this maturity has imbued you with yet another ailment common to
> > advancing age.  that ailment is arrogance.   that seems to be the only
> > explanation for this;  as the common response that i have received from=
=20
> many
> > but not all, has been one of arrogance and contempt that i would dare to
> > question the godlike qualities of freebsd.  so let me make it personal.
> > there is no problem with my scsi card.  i have had three working=
 operating
> > system to prove it.  the problem is with the software (and it's=
 developers)
> > that freebsd uses.  now you may like to claim that linux is a developer
> > system.  but the fact is, that those (infantile) developers seem to be=
=20
> doing
> > a much (indisputably) better job of handling the developement of drivers
> > than freebsd.
> >
> > i was forced to use the ftp server as my source of installation;=
 negating
> > the very purpose for which i purchased the power-pak (as everything that=
 is
> > in the power-pak can be had on the net).  after installing the system=
 from
> > the net, it ran just long enough for me to try to install the XFREE86=
 4.0,
> > which then made my system inoperable.  after that i was never able to=20
> get it
> > to run again.  quite some time later after all of this, i tried to=
 create
> > bootdisks for the latest version of freebsd.  when i went to reboot my
> > system with these new disks, the system said that there was no kernel=20
> on the
> > floppies.  you make sense of it.  i created the disks using a=
 commandline
> > instruction within NT.  the first disks that i made were done with=
 linux.
> > as i nolonger have a running linux system, i cannot revert to it to=20
> make the
> > bootdisks for freebsd.  so either i have a freebsd installation system=
=20
> which
> > runs from NT  without rebooting, or it's unusable.  i mean let's get=
 real.
> > if linux can (and does) allow for it (linux) to be run on a windows=20
> (not NT)
> > formatted disk, what the hell is the reason that freebsd can't do the=
 same
> > and better (as you so fraudulently claim).  and don't tell me how poor=
 of a
> > solution the UMSDOS is.  certainly if freebsd is so advanced, there is=
 no
> > excuse for there not being an even better system available from=20
> freebsd; and
> > especially for NT.  since NT is the highend of the windows system, it=
 only
> > makes sense that freebsd should be directed towards providing REAL=20
> SOLUTIONS
> > for NT.  i don't want to hear excuses.  I WANT RESULTS!
> >
> > NT has something that the standard UFS does not have.  it has an=
 integrated
> > compressed filesystem.  with it, i have increased my storage space by no
> > less than 35%.  if you had the same feature, i would have 5GB's  of
> > effective space instead of only 3.7GB's available for freebsd.  but at=
 this
> > point in time, i am not willing to install freebsd until the=
 aforemention
> > criteria are met.  if someone knows of a single package that i can=
 install
> > on my existing NT platform, that will allow for the seemless operation=
 of
> > unix programs as though they were native windows applications, i for one
> > would like to hear about it.  i just went to the windows site and found
> > something they call WINDOWS SERVICES FOR UNIX 2.0.  i don't know how=20
> long it
> > had been around or how good it is.  i found it by simply typing=
 `windowsnt
> > unix' into my browsers address bar to get a search on those keywords.
> >
> >=20
>=
 http://shop.microsoft.com/Products/Products_Feed/Online/WindowsServicesforU=
N
> > IX[759]/ProductOverview.asp
> >
> > i just found what may be the very thing i was asking for.  after=20
> writing the
> > above paragraph, i went back to the link above and did further reading. =
 i
> > came across something called INTERIX.  so once again i did a net search=
 and
> > came up with a site that sells it.  in reading, i found that it is now a=
 MS
> > unix-product.  it seems to provide the unix components to windows NT=
 class
> > environments.  i will do more reseach on this.  and if i find it to be
> > usable, i'll buy it.  putting an end to any further questions about=
 freebsd
> > or any other variant of unix or linux.  let's face it, MS is in a much
> > better position to employ unix components such as freebsd than the=
 reverse.
> > you might as well look at the writing on the wall.  the very openness=
 that
> > allows anyone to use freebsd and linux source code, allows MS to add it=
 to
> > their own systems without anyone having any right to complain about it. =
 as
> > long as MS uses an open source version of unix, they could do anything=
 they
> > want to integrate it into the existing windows environment.  and all=
 that
> > any of you can do is sit back and wipe your eyes.  WHIMPER WHIMPER=20
> WHIMPER!!
> > you have basically written your own obituarary.  because windows can=
 freely
> > integrate open source systems, but the same is not true of the open=
 source
> > community.  hence there will ultimately be no justification for your
> > existance.  you will be relegated to the status of footnote; and=20
> frankly the
> > sooner the better.  the system that MS ultimately chooses for their
> > integrated environment, will become the status quo.  if you thought that
> > windows was dominant before, wait until they put unix interoperability=
 into
> > the windows NT/2000 framework.  your only choice is to set the lead, by
> > beating MS to the punch.  and that can only be done if you make freebsd=
 and
> > linux operate from within NT/2000 before MS does.  because mock my=20
> word.  it
> > will happen.  and you will be left out in the cold with the tears frozen=
 to
> > your face.  ; )
> >
> > ALL OF WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN in the paragraphs BELOW IS NOW MOOT.  I HAVE
> > FOUND THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS I HAD ABOVE.  INTERIX 2.2  the only=
 thing
> > that you will possibly have over MS is price.  yes their prices are
> > rediculous.  but then, based on my experience with freebsd and linux,=
 that
> > old saying of `you get what you pay for', has never been more truthful.
> > don't bother bitching about my remarks.  as i have already seen that i=
 am
> > not the only one who has made them.  i simply represent your best hope=
 of
> > survival.  i am a windows user that tried linux and then freebsd.  and i
> > have done so at an expense that is completely unrecoverable.  if you=
 don't
> > like my attitude, just remember that there are thousands of prospective
> > users just like me who will be no more tolerable of your shortcomings=20
> than i
> > have been.  and your arrogance will be your destruction.  something i=
 will
> > greatly revel in.  you purported to be the final solution to my and
> > everyoine else's problem with regards to internet computing=20
> systems.  that's
> > a lie.
> >
> > http://www.provantage.com/scripts/go.dll/-s/fp_47736
> > http://www.provantage.com/FC_MCSB.HTM
> >
> > quite frankly, if i find the means to compile XFREE86-4.0 and gnome for=
 NT,
> > i would probably never look back to linux or freebsd.  i have already=
 found
> > numerous unix components to run under windows.  and once i have learned=
 how
> > to use all of them, that will probably settle once and for all the=
 question
> > of which system to use. ATT and others make various products which=20
> allow for
> > the running of unix programs in a windows environment.  i had some of=
 them
> > installed before i reinstalled NT and thereby erased those systems.  i=
 am
> > now deciding which ones to reinstall.
> >
> > so the bottomline is this.  when i am able to install freebsd from a=20
> running
> > windows nt system without the use of bootdisks (which supply the means=
 to
> > create and write to UFS, then and only then will i be willing to use
> > freebsd.  i installed NT (six days) after becoming thoughroughly=
 frustated
> > with freebsd.  i need to have a completely functional heterogenious
> > operating environment.  one which runs windows nt and freebsd on the=
 same
> > computer (preferably with only one filesystem; NTFS COMPRESSED).  if=20
> freebsd
> > is not capable of being installed from a running NT-environment without
> > having to be rebooted, that is an absolutely indisputable indicator that
> > freebsd cannot operate cohesively within an NT-system. it's not up to
> > microsoft to provide the means to read and write between NTFS and UFS
> > without the question of damaging either system.  freebsd is the alien,=
 not
> > MS.  when freebsd generates the code that allows NT to write to UFS and=
 UFS
> > to write to NTFS COMPRESSED, then and only then will freebsd be a=20
> legitamate
> > addition to my NT environment.  until then, it's just crap!
> >
> >
> >
>--
>Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>                     =
 http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/
>Independent WWW/Unix/FreeBSD consultant,        email for more information.
>
>
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- Jim
- NOTJames
- jconner@enterit.com

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I am getting a new scsi hard drive in addition to the ATA drive already
in my computer.  I plan to have Windows boot off the ATA disk and
FreeBSD boot off the scsi one.  Will I be able to choose between FreeBSD
and windows with the boot menu when the OSes are on different drives, or
will I have to go into the BIOS each time I want to swich OSes and
change the boot disk order?

I am Running FreeBSD 4.1.

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well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once had a
similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know that
in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to mount
the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only whatever
device your root fs is on.

hope that helps

peace,
brian


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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:

>
> I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process of newly
> installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the initial
> or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot or
> turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD Desktop
> Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system messages:
>
> Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> Automatic boot in progress
> /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> Automatic file system check failed...help!
> Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
>
>
> After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E) the
> following command and received(R) the system's response:
>
> (E) /stand/sysinstall
> (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> (E) mkdir /usr/var
> (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> (R) tar: not found
>     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
>     tar: not found
>
>
> Please reply ASAP
> Regards
> Tunjie L. Sumner
>
>
>
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What a lot of Americans seem to miss is that American English is a minority=
 language compared to the vast wealth of nations and peoples who speak prop=
er Standard English (what Americans like to call British English.)

Colour, valour, labour are the Standard spellings... similarly, Standard En=
glish drops its final -rs and such. When you learn to speak English anywher=
e but America or Canada, you learn with Standard English pronunciation. Cra=
zily enough, Standard English has many more vowels than American English...=
 I believe it's 26 or 28 to just 12.

Furthermore, the -ise / -ize difference comes from word origin: if the word=
 origin is Latin you use -ise, if it is Greek you use -ize.

Food for thought ;-)
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From: Mark Ovens <marko@freebsd.org>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 03:57:48 +0000

>On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 02:19:22PM -0500, Passki, Jonathan P wrote:
>> Yes, us lazy Americans hate that 'ou' thing the Brits try to always
>> interject, like 'colour' and 'valour.'
>
>I think that originates from the French where such words end ~eur. Of
>course it was Noah Webster who dropped the 'u'.
>
>> Also, why can't the Brits us an
>> occasional 'z' in their words; initialize, serialize, and other words li=
ke
>> them just look cool w/ the 'z' in them, not that 's' substitution the Br=
its
>> use.
>> 
>
>Curiously, this is the one group of words that Americans spell correctly
>and we get wrong. If you look in older editions of the OED you will find
>such words spelled exclusively ~ize. Only in more recent editions (<10
>years) will ~ise appear and then only as an *alternative* spelling. I have=

>great fun at work when writing docs where I always use ~ize and,
>invariably, the reviewer pulls me up on it so I pull out a dictionary (and=

>slap him 'round the back of the head with it)....
>
>> Here's another good one, though: /etc
>> 
>
>FWIW, slash ee tee cee
>
>> Some people pronounce it like its root word, etcetera, which is
>> grammatically correct, since etcetera is abbreviated like "etc."  Others=
 say
>> it like "et-sEE."  What's the better one?
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Peter Lai [mailto:PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu]
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:31
>> > To: 'David Talkington '; 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org '
>> > Subject: RE: Pronunciations
>> > 
>> > 
>> >  well, if you want to do a linguistical analysis on it:
>> > 
>> > /lib is where you find "libs" (the i is short, ryhmes with 
>> > "fibs"). However
>> > "libs" is derived from "lIbraries", which rhymes with "vIbe".
>> > since "/lib" is a descendant of "libs" which is an altered 
>> > descendent of
>> > "lIbraries" you should be able to pronounce "libs" with the short i.
>> > i mean, you would prononounce "GTK-libs" as ryhming with "fibs" so why=

>> > wouldn't you do the same with "slash-lib".
>> > 
>> > /bin is the place where you find "bInaries". but then you can 
>> > say it's the
>> > "bin where you find programs". refer to eric s. raymond's 
>> > hackers jargon
>> > dictionary. So linguistically it would make sense for you to pronounce=

>> > "/bIn" with the long vowel. But, americans are `lazy' and it 
>> > takes less
>> > energy to say the short vowel.
>> > 
>> > i mean, "missiles" can be pronounced "missels" or "missILes", 
>> > the former
>> > being the american prounouciation and the latter, the british method.
>> > 
>> > more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > 
>> > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> > Sent: 11/30/2000 12:47 PM
>> > Subject: Pronunciations
>> > 
>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>> > 
>> > Salutations.
>> > 
>> > There is disagreement on these points among even knowledgeable people
>> > in my office.  I'll cast it to the list and let the chips fall where
>> > they may.  (There's no money on it.)
>> > 
>> > /lib rhymes with "fib" or "vibe"? 
>> > /bin rhymes with "sin" or "whine"?
>> > peeco or pyco?
>> > 
>> > I don't have to argue about GNU or Linux, because there are FAQs to
>> > back me up.  On the above, however, I can find no controlling
>> > authority.  Please guide us on our path to righteousness.
>> > 
>> > Cheers!  -d
>> > 
>> > - -- 
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Hi there,

        Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it works!

Regards,
James Lim

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: Installation Problem


> well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once had a
> similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know that
> in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to mount
> the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only whatever
> device your root fs is on.
>
> hope that helps
>
> peace,
> brian
>
>
> t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
>
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
>
> >
> > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process of
newly
> > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
initial
> > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot or
> > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
Desktop
> > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
messages:
> >
> > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > Automatic boot in progress
> > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> >
> >
> > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E) the
> > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> >
> > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > (R) tar: not found
> >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> >     tar: not found
> >
> >
> > Please reply ASAP
> > Regards
> > Tunjie L. Sumner
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> will I have to go into the BIOS each time I want to swich OSes and
> change the boot disk order?

yes you should be able to do that without a problem... i, however have had
quite a few problems with the freebsd boot manager and prefer to use lilo
(the LInux LOader)... but it *should* be able to do it and hopefully you
will have better luck than i did.

as a side note, i wasn't aware you could have scsi and ATA drives in the
same box... interesting.

peace,
brian


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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Jeff Blaufuss wrote:

> I am getting a new scsi hard drive in addition to the ATA drive already
> in my computer.  I plan to have Windows boot off the ATA disk and
> FreeBSD boot off the scsi one.  Will I be able to choose between FreeBSD
> and windows with the boot menu when the OSes are on different drives, or
> will I have to go into the BIOS each time I want to swich OSes and
> change the boot disk order?
>
> I am Running FreeBSD 4.1.
>
> Jeff Blaufuss
>
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just because this reminded me of it... how do you boot to single user
mode?

peace,
brian


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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, James Lim wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>         Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it works!
>
> Regards,
> James Lim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Installation Problem
>
>
> > well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once had a
> > similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know that
> > in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to mount
> > the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only whatever
> > device your root fs is on.
> >
> > hope that helps
> >
> > peace,
> > brian
> >
> >
> > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process of
> newly
> > > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
> initial
> > > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot or
> > > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
> Desktop
> > > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> > > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
> messages:
> > >
> > > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > > Automatic boot in progress
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > >
> > >
> > > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E) the
> > > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> > >
> > > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > > (R) tar: not found
> > >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> > >     tar: not found
> > >
> > >
> > > Please reply ASAP
> > > Regards
> > > Tunjie L. Sumner
> > >
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During boot,

press any key to go to the command prompt and type in boot -s to go into
single user mode.

Regards,
James Lim

----- Original Message -----
From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
To: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
Cc: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Installation Problem


> just because this reminded me of it... how do you boot to single user
> mode?
>
> peace,
> brian
>
>
> t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
>
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, James Lim wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> >         Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it
works!
> >
> > Regards,
> > James Lim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> > To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Installation Problem
> >
> >
> > > well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once
had a
> > > similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know
that
> > > in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to
mount
> > > the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only
whatever
> > > device your root fs is on.
> > >
> > > hope that helps
> > >
> > > peace,
> > > brian
> > >
> > >
> > > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> > >
> > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process
of
> > newly
> > > > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
> > initial
> > > > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot
or
> > > > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
> > Desktop
> > > > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> > > > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
> > messages:
> > > >
> > > > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > > > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > > > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > > > Automatic boot in progress
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > > > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > > > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E)
the
> > > > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> > > >
> > > > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > > > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > > > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > > > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > > > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > > > (R) tar: not found
> > > >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> > > >     tar: not found
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please reply ASAP
> > > > Regards
> > > > Tunjie L. Sumner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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ah... thanks.


peace,
brian


		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, James Lim wrote:

> During boot,
>
> press any key to go to the command prompt and type in boot -s to go into
> single user mode.
>
> Regards,
> James Lim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> To: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
> Cc: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Installation Problem
>
>
> > just because this reminded me of it... how do you boot to single user
> > mode?
> >
> > peace,
> > brian
> >
> >
> > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, James Lim wrote:
> >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >         Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it
> works!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > James Lim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> > > To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> > > Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Installation Problem
> > >
> > >
> > > > well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once
> had a
> > > > similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know
> that
> > > > in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to
> mount
> > > > the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only
> whatever
> > > > device your root fs is on.
> > > >
> > > > hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > peace,
> > > > brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process
> of
> > > newly
> > > > > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
> > > initial
> > > > > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot
> or
> > > > > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
> > > Desktop
> > > > > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> > > > > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
> > > messages:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > > > > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > > > > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > > > > Automatic boot in progress
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > > > > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > > > > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E)
> the
> > > > > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> > > > >
> > > > > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > > > > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > > > > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > > > > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > > > > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > > > > (R) tar: not found
> > > > >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> > > > >     tar: not found
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please reply ASAP
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Tunjie L. Sumner
> > > > >
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al tratar de activar mi tarjeta de audio, una AC'97 pci, hago de todo,
por ejemplo:
pciconf -a pci0:31:5:
y me dice asi: ioctl(PCIOCATTACHED): Inappropiate ioctl for device
igualmente inclu=ED en el kernel la fila=20
device   pcm
e hice todo lo demas (compilar, reiniciar, pasar por /dev sh MAKEDEV =
snd0
pero no funciona la tarjeta.
al ejecutar mixer, me dice que el dispositvo no esta configurado.
no tengo un modprobe o un insmod para hacer pruebas, y no se si bsd
tiene algun comando similar a linux para ello.
hay que decir que la tarjeta es reconocida desde el arranque, por lo que =
estoy
mas desconcertado a=FAn.
al ejecutar dmesg lo que obtengo es esto:
chip1: <Intel 82801AA (ICH) AC'97 Audio Controller> port 0xdc00-0xdc3f =
,0xd800-0xd8ff irq 9 at device 31.5 on pci0


no se que mas hacer, por favor, ayudenme.


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asi:=20
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tarjeta.<BR>al=20
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al tratar de activar mi tarjeta de audio, una AC'97 pci, hago de todo,
por ejemplo:
pciconf -a pci0:31:5:
y me dice asi: ioctl(PCIOCATTACHED): Inappropiate ioctl for device
igualmente inclu=ED en el kernel la fila=20
device   pcm
e hice todo lo demas (compilar, reiniciar, pasar por /dev sh MAKEDEV =
snd0
pero no funciona la tarjeta.
al ejecutar mixer, me dice que el dispositvo no esta configurado.
no tengo un modprobe o un insmod para hacer pruebas, y no se si bsd
tiene algun comando similar a linux para ello.
hay que decir que la tarjeta es reconocida desde el arranque, por lo que =
estoy
mas desconcertado a=FAn.
al ejecutar dmesg lo que obtengo es esto:
chip1: <Intel 82801AA (ICH) AC'97 Audio Controller> port 0xdc00-0xdc3f
,0xd800-0xd8ff irq 9 at device 31.5 on pci0

no se que mas hacer, por favor, ayudenme.


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why don't your read a book or something instead of asking someone else to
do your work for you.  it's one thing if you're just trying to get your
system running and you need help, but it's by far another when you're
doing a university research project and are just too lazy to do the
RESEARCH.


peace,
brian


		t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Esfandiar Behrouz wrote:

> Dear Sir or Madame,
>
> I am a student at Cal-State University at Northridge and for a research
> purpose I would like to know about the memory management of FreeBSD
> operating system.
> I would appreciate your help to point me to the right direction where I
> could find any information about the memory management of this operating
> system.
>
> Some general questions that may describe my interest are:
> -What is the overall scheme of the memory management of Free BSD?
> -How does the paging and segmentation work in Free BSD?
> -What is the structure of the virtual memory and address translation (maybe
> a map or a schematic) of Free BSD?
> -What is the page replacement algorithm used in Free BSD?
> -Any special feature of the memory management in Free BSD?
>
> I thank you in advance and will be waiting for your reply.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Esfandiar Behrouz
> esfandiarbehrouz@usa.net
>



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Hi all,

        Brian, be nice =]. Well reading and finding out more will definately
benefit you. Unless you might be stuck halfway...you might wanna post the
problem here and see whether we can help you with it.

Regards,
James Lim

----- Original Message -----
From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
To: "Esfandiar Behrouz" <esfandb@mac.com>
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> why don't your read a book or something instead of asking someone else to
> do your work for you.  it's one thing if you're just trying to get your
> system running and you need help, but it's by far another when you're
> doing a university research project and are just too lazy to do the
> RESEARCH.
>
>
> peace,
> brian
>
>
> t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
>
> On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Esfandiar Behrouz wrote:
>
> > Dear Sir or Madame,
> >
> > I am a student at Cal-State University at Northridge and for a research
> > purpose I would like to know about the memory management of FreeBSD
> > operating system.
> > I would appreciate your help to point me to the right direction where I
> > could find any information about the memory management of this operating
> > system.
> >
> > Some general questions that may describe my interest are:
> > -What is the overall scheme of the memory management of Free BSD?
> > -How does the paging and segmentation work in Free BSD?
> > -What is the structure of the virtual memory and address translation
(maybe
> > a map or a schematic) of Free BSD?
> > -What is the page replacement algorithm used in Free BSD?
> > -Any special feature of the memory management in Free BSD?
> >
> > I thank you in advance and will be waiting for your reply.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Esfandiar Behrouz
> > esfandiarbehrouz@usa.net
> >
>
>
>
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Thanks Jim/Brian,

Got this message:

LINK COUNT FILE I=6280 OWNER=root MODE=20640
SIZE=0 MTIME=Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
ADJUST? (yn)

I entered "y" then tried "yes".  Even "n" or "no" did not work.  In both
cases I pressed the enter key.  I noticed that any time I pressed "enter"
the "LINK FILE COUNT" increases by one (1) 


Please help
Regards
Tunjie Sumner

>
> Hi there,
> 
>         Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it works!
> 
> Regards,
> James Lim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Installation Problem
> 
> 
> > well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once
had a
> > similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know that
> > in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to
mount
> > the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only
whatever
> > device your root fs is on.
> >
> > hope that helps
> >
> > peace,
> > brian
> >
> >
> > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> >
> > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process of
> newly
> > > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
> initial
> > > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot or
> > > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
> Desktop
> > > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> > > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
> messages:
> > >
> > > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > > Automatic boot in progress
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > >
> > >
> > > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E) the
> > > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> > >
> > > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > > (R) tar: not found
> > >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> > >     tar: not found
> > >
> > >
> > > Please reply ASAP
> > > Regards
> > > Tunjie L. Sumner
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Erm..
it's James, not Jim :)

Regards,
James Lim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
To: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>; "James Lim"
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> Thanks Jim/Brian,
>
> Got this message:
>
> LINK COUNT FILE I=6280 OWNER=root MODE=20640
> SIZE=0 MTIME=Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> ADJUST? (yn)
>
> I entered "y" then tried "yes".  Even "n" or "no" did not work.  In both
> cases I pressed the enter key.  I noticed that any time I pressed "enter"
> the "LINK FILE COUNT" increases by one (1)
>
>
> Please help
> Regards
> Tunjie Sumner
>
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> >         Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it
works!
> >
> > Regards,
> > James Lim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> > To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> > Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Installation Problem
> >
> >
> > > well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once
> had a
> > > similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know
that
> > > in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to
> mount
> > > the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only
> whatever
> > > device your root fs is on.
> > >
> > > hope that helps
> > >
> > > peace,
> > > brian
> > >
> > >
> > > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> > >
> > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process
of
> > newly
> > > > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
> > initial
> > > > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold boot
or
> > > > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
> > Desktop
> > > > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting the
> > > > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
> > messages:
> > > >
> > > > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > > > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > > > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > > > Automatic boot in progress
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > > > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > > > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > > > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E)
the
> > > > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> > > >
> > > > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > > > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > > > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > > > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > > > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > > > (R) tar: not found
> > > >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> > > >     tar: not found
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please reply ASAP
> > > > Regards
> > > > Tunjie L. Sumner
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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I have occoured the following problem twice. This problem occurs after the 
second time I reboot after installation. In other words after I install, I 
reboot the computer. If I then reboot one more time it will come up with the 
following error message during boot, this has happened three times as I have 
installed freebsd three times:

Uncorrectable error coding fsbn 315190 of 315152 - 315263 (w0 bn 622 aa0; cn 
728 tn 9 sn37)

cannot read: blk 315152

/dev/rwd 0e: unexpected inconsistency; run fsck_ffs manually.

the following file system had an unexpected inconsistency ffs: /dev/rud0e 
(/usr)

automatic the sytem check failed; help

enter pathname of shell or return for sh:\

The last time that I installed freebsd I could not get out to the Internet 
on my client machines. I noticed the following message during installation.

cant connect to sys conf socket: no such file or directory

As of right now I have shut down the firewall and am running without 
one!!!!! Anyway, any help would be appreciated, thanks!!!

bryhartline@hotmail.com
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Sorry about that James :)

Regards
Tunjie Sumner


> [Original Message]
> From: James Lim <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
> To: brian william wolter <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>;
<tunjie@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Date: 12/1/00 11:11:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Installation Problem
>
> Erm..
> it's James, not Jim :)
> 
> Regards,
> James Lim
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> To: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>; "James Lim"
> <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
> Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 3:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Installation Problem
> 
> 
> > Thanks Jim/Brian,
> >
> > Got this message:
> >
> > LINK COUNT FILE I=6280 OWNER=root MODE=20640
> > SIZE=0 MTIME=Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > ADJUST? (yn)
> >
> > I entered "y" then tried "yes".  Even "n" or "no" did not work.  In both
> > cases I pressed the enter key.  I noticed that any time I pressed
"enter"
> > the "LINK FILE COUNT" increases by one (1)
> >
> >
> > Please help
> > Regards
> > Tunjie Sumner
> >
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >         Try to run fsck when you are in single user mode. See if it
> works!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > James Lim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "brian william wolter" <bwolter@thesadmachine.org>
> > > To: "Tunjie Sumner" <tunjie@earthlink.net>
> > > Cc: <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 1:31 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Installation Problem
> > >
> > >
> > > > well, i'm not too sure how exactly to solve your problem, but i once
> > had a
> > > > similar one while messing with my /etc/rc configuration.  i do know
> that
> > > > in order to edit anything (as in write to the fs) you first have to
> > mount
> > > > the filesystem manually... something like: mount /dev/ad5s1 only
> > whatever
> > > > device your root fs is on.
> > > >
> > > > hope that helps
> > > >
> > > > peace,
> > > > brian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > t h e S a d M a c h i n e . o r g
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Tunjie Sumner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a novice with the FreeBSD 4.1 software.  I was in the process
> of
> > > newly
> > > > > installing my software.  I was configuring the X Server during the
> > > initial
> > > > > or first installation when my system froze on me.  I then cold
boot
> or
> > > > > turned off the computer off and then on again.  I am using the BSD
> > > Desktop
> > > > > Edition-UNIX OS version 4.1.  I need some assistance in getting
the
> > > > > software running.  I am able to boot and I received these system
> > > messages:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mounting root from ufs :/dev/ad1sa3
> > > > > WARNING: /mnt was not properly mounted
> > > > > Swapon: adding /dev/ad1s3b as swap device
> > > > > Automatic boot in progress
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT FILE 1=6273 owner = root MODE=20640
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: SIZE=0 MTIME = Nov 30 16:06 2000 COUNT 1 SHOULD BE 2
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: LINK COUNT INCREASING
> > > > > /dev/ad1s3a: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY
> > > > > Automatic file system check failed...help!
> > > > > Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > After reading the boot message above I then proceeded to enter(E)
> the
> > > > > following command and received(R) the system's response:
> > > > >
> > > > > (E) /stand/sysinstall
> > > > > (R) Error opening terminal: cons25
> > > > > (E) mkdir /usr/var
> > > > > (R) mkdir: /usr/var: Read-only file system
> > > > > (E) tar cf - .1 (cd /usr/var; tar xf - )
> > > > > (R) tar: not found
> > > > >     cd: can't cd to /usr/var
> > > > >     tar: not found
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Please reply ASAP
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Tunjie L. Sumner
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
> > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Tunjie Sumner
> > --- tunjie@earthlink.net
> > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.
> >
> >
> >
> 



--- Tunjie Sumner
--- tunjie@earthlink.net
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Hello,

I have a natd/ipfw setup and want incoming requests on port 80
to a machine on the internal network.  So i have added the
following line to my /etc/natd.conf : 

redirect_port tcp 123.456.789.012:80 80

I have read where ipfw rules may be an issue, so i have flushed
the rules and only added the following :

divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0
allow ip from any to any via lo0
allow ip from any to any

If you have any suggestions please reply offlist.  This is
4.2-stable as of a day or two ago.

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Greetings all!

I am using Freebsd 4.0-RELEASE and my network appears to be running like a
champ, all my internal machines can view the internet, and the internet can
view my machine.

here comes the problem, I looked in my logs and noticed this

NATD[88] : failed to write packet back (Host is down)

This occures repeatedly in /var/log/messages and to say the least is very
confusing.  I have told the firewall ruleset to be open, and I get the same
results.

Here are my ipfw ruleset as it is currently:

00100 divert 8668 ip from any to any via ed0
00100 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
65000 allow ip from any to any
65535 deny ip from any to any

For more information, here is a section of my rc.conf file

firewall_enable="YES"   # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality
firewall_type="OPEN"            # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall)

firewall_quiet="YES"            # Set to YES to suppress rule display
natd_enable="YES"                # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES).
natd_interface="ed0"           # Public interface to use with natd.
natd_flags="-pptpalias 192.168.0.10"

Thanks for any help,
Ray




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On 02-Dec-00 Jeff Blaufuss wrote:
> I am getting a new scsi hard drive in addition to the ATA drive already
> in my computer.  I plan to have Windows boot off the ATA disk and
> FreeBSD boot off the scsi one.  Will I be able to choose between FreeBSD
> and windows with the boot menu when the OSes are on different drives, or
> will I have to go into the BIOS each time I want to swich OSes and
> change the boot disk order?

You can chooose, but you will need to install the FreeBSD Boot Manager on the
_first_ disk.  You can do this with boot0cfg after installing.  See the
boot0cfg(8) manpage.

> I am Running FreeBSD 4.1.
> 
> Jeff Blaufuss

-- 

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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 02:53:08AM -0500, Ray Slakinski wrote:
> Greetings all!
> 
> I am using Freebsd 4.0-RELEASE and my network appears to be running like a
> champ, all my internal machines can view the internet, and the internet can
> view my machine.
> 
> here comes the problem, I looked in my logs and noticed this
> 
> NATD[88] : failed to write packet back (Host is down)
> 
> This occures repeatedly in /var/log/messages and to say the least is very
> confusing.  I have told the firewall ruleset to be open, and I get the same
> results.

Looks like natd(8) failed to send out a packet because a host is
down. Damn those confusing messages, huh?

That means that you are trying to send packets to a _local_ machine
that is either (a) not there at all, (b) not up, or (c) not
communicating properly with the NAT box at the data layer.

Can you figure out what host you are trying to reach that is not
responding? One way others have been able to track down the problem is
to sniff the network for unanswered ARP queries. Your box should be
generating a lot for this missing host.
-- 
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 02:26:20AM -0500, Scott C. Dodson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a natd/ipfw setup and want incoming requests on port 80
> to a machine on the internal network.  So i have added the
> following line to my /etc/natd.conf : 
> 
> redirect_port tcp 123.456.789.012:80 80
>
> I have read where ipfw rules may be an issue, so i have flushed
> the rules and only added the following :
> 
> divert 8668 ip from any to any via de0
> allow ip from any to any via lo0
> allow ip from any to any
> 
> If you have any suggestions please reply offlist.  This is
> 4.2-stable as of a day or two ago.

I really don't see a question here, but I assume this is not working?
Does NAT work properly otherwise? Does your network seem to have good
connectivity otherwise? Did you restart natd(8) after the
configuration change?
-- 
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:09:39PM -0600, kris@grinz.com wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can someone tell me where, on the freebsd.org site, can I find 
> documentation regarding "monthly run output - login accounting"?
> 
> I have searched and searched.. no luck finding anything relevant.  
> Any URLs to docs regarding this would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Also, I am not subscribed to this list, so please send replies 
> directly to me.

The scripts that generate the monthly run output are located in,

  /etc/periodic/monthly/

Look in there to see the commands that generate the output and check
out their manpages. Also see periodic(8) and periodic.conf(5) if you
are interested in customizing the system.
-- 
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Hello ,

Unfortunately, the English language predominates the Internet world
despite it not being a very good language. Really just a bastardization 
of other languages, English doesn't even follow it's own standards. The 
only thing going for the English language is its large installed base --
sort of like Microsoft Windows.

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Hello folks,
 I am abit stuck with some problem here which is merely annoying than a
diseaster (since I use /dev/audio only for toyings anyway :)) but
sometimes when I try to read and write from the same audio device at the
same time I get:  pcm0: record interrupt timeout, channel dead kernel
message and after this every time I try to open /dev/audio or /dev/dsp for
reading I get 'EBUSY' returned. I still can write there (and produce
sounds) however. The only way to fix a problem which I found is to reboot
the box, but I wonder if there's any easier workaround :-)

Relevant info regarding the box is below:
FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE (snapshot as of last Friday)
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (600.02-MHz 686-class CPU)
...
pcm0: <VIA VT82C686A AC'97 Audio> port 0xb000-0xb003,0xb400-0xb403,0xb800-0xb8ff irq 5 at device 4.5 on pci0


Any hints would be appreciated mucho :)


thanks in advance

-Fyodor



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Hi there,

Just for the record I made it.  The make buildworld used around 290MB,
so it looks like I'm going -STABLE on this machine after all.  :)

Cheers,
Marc

On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 03:45:44PM -0500, Joe Oliveiro wrote:
> i used about 300mb worth of diskspace for the /usr/src (after a
> compile). I dont think you will have enough space on the device to do a
> make buildworld.
> 
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 i'd have to agree

English is classified as a Germanic languague because that is what the core
is written in :)

Then people added more and more words from other languages that were ported
over to English. :)

Syntatical structure is quite unique, based on the Latin system.

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Subject: Tyr'd with all this pronunciation thread

Hello ,

Unfortunately, the English language predominates the Internet world
despite it not being a very good language. Really just a bastardization 
of other languages, English doesn't even follow it's own standards. The 
only thing going for the English language is its large installed base --
sort of like Microsoft Windows.

-- 
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Are there any freebsd program applications to test the
integrity of an IDE disk drive, test for errors or bad sectors?



I had a error today:

Stop in /usr/src/games/fortune/fortune.
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bash-2.03# Dec  2 18:09:26 dslglobal /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk#
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Dec  2 18:09:26 dslglobal /kernel: vm_fault: pager read error, pid 91956
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Well the REAL culprit for the spelling and general oddness
of English is the French !
English was just trundling along as a highly inflected
typical germanic language until the Normans invaded
britain in 1066 and introduced French as the official
language.
This confused everybody.
Even Shakespeare was a bit baffled.
He is famous for spelling the same word sometimes in
3 or 4 different ways on the same page :)

Anyway. It's the only international language we have, so
you are stuck with it my friends.

I blame it on Mickey Mouse.

Auf wiederhoren..

Cliff

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 05:06:02AM -0500, Peter Lai wrote:
>  i'd have to agree
> 
> English is classified as a Germanic languague because that is what the core
> is written in :)
> 
> Then people added more and more words from other languages that were ported
> over to English. :)
> 
> Syntatical structure is quite unique, based on the Latin system.
> 
> Hello ,
> 
> Unfortunately, the English language predominates the Internet world
> despite it not being a very good language. Really just a bastardization 
> of other languages, English doesn't even follow it's own standards. The 
> only thing going for the English language is its large installed base --
> sort of like Microsoft Windows.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Y u r i                         mailto:ure@home.com
> 
> 
> 
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On Saturday 02 December 2000 12:06, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> Well the REAL culprit for the spelling and general oddness
> of English is the French !
> English was just trundling along as a highly inflected
> typical germanic language until the Normans invaded
> britain in 1066 and introduced French as the official
> language.
> This confused everybody.
> Even Shakespeare was a bit baffled.
> He is famous for spelling the same word sometimes in
> 3 or 4 different ways on the same page :)
>
> Anyway. It's the only international language we have, so
> you are stuck with it my friends.
>
> I blame it on Mickey Mouse.

I mean it's his fault as well as the French's :)
hasta la vista !

>
> Auf wiederhoren..
>
> Cliff
>
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 05:06:02AM -0500, Peter Lai wrote:
> >  i'd have to agree
> >
> > English is classified as a Germanic languague because that is what the
> > core is written in :)
> >
> > Then people added more and more words from other languages that were
> > ported over to English. :)
> >
> > Syntatical structure is quite unique, based on the Latin system.
> >
> > Hello ,
> >
> > Unfortunately, the English language predominates the Internet world
> > despite it not being a very good language. Really just a bastardization
> > of other languages, English doesn't even follow it's own standards. The
> > only thing going for the English language is its large installed base --
> > sort of like Microsoft Windows.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >  Y u r i                         mailto:ure@home.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Is there some way to test, silently from a shell script,
whether the currently running kernel has PC speaker support?

I was going to test whether the device is writeable, and if so
 echo "~" > /dev/speaker
and look at $? but there might be a more elegant way.

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I've seen this sort of thing in several man pages:

cat(1)
     -u      The -u option guarantees that the output is unbuffered.
tr(1)
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tee(1)
... The output is unbuffered.


What does unbuffered mean, and how is it useful to know or manipulate that?

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Sue Blake wrote:
> 
> Is there some way to test, silently from a shell script,
> whether the currently running kernel has PC speaker support?

In an xterm window, did you try pressing <ctl>g. That uses the
internal speak on two of my systems.

Kent

> 
> I was going to test whether the device is writeable, and if so
>  echo "~" > /dev/speaker
> and look at $? but there might be a more elegant way.
> 
> --
> 
> Regards,
>         -*Sue*-
> 
> 
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:49:54AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote:
> 
> 
> Sue Blake wrote:
> > 
> > Is there some way to test, silently from a shell script,
> > whether the currently running kernel has PC speaker support?
> 
> In an xterm window, did you try pressing <ctl>g. That uses the
> internal speak on two of my systems.

Thanks for the tip, Kent, but it want to do it silently because I won't
be there. Also I think you can get a beep without the speaker device
being built into the kernel, but I know you can't play tunes on the
speaker without it.

The script goes like this:

1.
 test (secretly) that PC speaker device is accessible by the user
 if not privileged, provide instructions for changing permissions
                 and exit the program
 if the user is allowed to write to /dev/speaker, continue with test 2

2.
 test for kernel PC speaker support
 if unsupported, provide instructions for building it into the kernel
                 and exit the program
 if supported, run the rest of the program as if nothing had been
               going on, without mentioning the testing at all

I can do both of these tests OK, but there might be a better way.
The second of the two tests is the one that I think I could improve.

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=== Spades escribia
(Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:04:10PM +0800):

> Are there any freebsd program applications to test the
> integrity of an IDE disk drive, test for errors or bad sectors?
> 
> 
	I think your best option is going to the maker's
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MY SOUNDCARD (SOUNDBLASTER16 CT1770 SCSI-2) IS MY SCSI CONTROLLER.
MY CDROM IS SCSI.
NO SOUNDCARD==NO SCSI CDROM.
IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?
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> On Saturday 02 December 2000 02:36, Matt Heckaman wrote:
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> > I hate to continue a thread with such an obnoxious ranting poster but:
> > > that the cd's were worthless to me because freebsd would not recognize
> > > my multifunction soundcard as a valid scsi device;
> >
> > Your what? Do I read this right? "multifunction soundcard as a valid
scsi
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bad144 would do the job, but it has been deprecated in 4.x. you might
want to try an earlier version of FreeBSD if you need that utility.
-Otter


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}>
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}	I think your best option is going to the maker's
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 10:42:52PM +1100, Sue Blake wrote:
> I've seen this sort of thing in several man pages:
> 
> cat(1)
>      -u      The -u option guarantees that the output is unbuffered.
> tr(1)
>      -u      The -u option guarantees that any output is unbuffered.
> tee(1)
> ... The output is unbuffered.
> 
> 
> What does unbuffered mean, and how is it useful to know or manipulate that?
> 

Unbuffered means it is not buffered. :-)
Alright, so what is buffered output I hear you ask.

When output is buffered it means the program saves up several bytes before
writing all of them. The reason for this is that it is much more efficient
to write 100 bytes at once than doing 100 calls each of which only writes
one byte. 
Sometimes, especially when displaying text on the screen, you want programs
to write stuff immediately instead of waiting for more output.
When writing to a normal disk file on the other hand you usually want
buffered output.

Basically unbuffered output gives better interactive performance but has
higher overhead.


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nessun           qk       nas-75-66.indy-t Thu05PM 1day  -

That person hasnt been actually logged in for over a day.

I know you can telnet localhost a bunch of times to grab and use
the tty the ghost in "w" is on, but with such a high one like
"qk", it would take awhile.

Is there an easier way to get rid of a ghosted login in "w"?


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ello!

How can I setup kern.securelevel to 0 or -1 ?
in rc.conf i have setup :

kern_securelevel="0"
kern_securelevel_enable="YES"

but nothing.. 
bash-2.04$ sysctl kern.securelevel
kern.securelevel: 1

and if I go to :
shutdown now
I have also kern.securelevel: 1 
.....
why all this..
I want to change flags for /kernel

su-2.04# chflags noschg /kernel
chflags: /kernel: Operation not permitted
su-2.04# 

so if anyone has some words for me pls.
brgd,
Tomaz


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hello!

How can I setup kern.securelevel to 0 or -1 ?
in rc.conf i have setup :

kern_securelevel="0"
kern_securelevel_enable="YES"

but nothing..
bash-2.04$ sysctl kern.securelevel
kern.securelevel: 1

and if I go to :
shutdown now
I have also kern.securelevel: 1
.....
why all this..
I want to change flags for /kernel

su-2.04# chflags noschg /kernel
chflags: /kernel: Operation not permitted
su-2.04#

so if anyone has some words for me pls.
brgd,
Tomaz


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For what it's worth, I have had this exact same problem for over
6 months, but it never bothered me enough to write into the list.
NO_SENDMAIL=true has been uncommented in make.conf the whole time,
yet every time I re-make the the world, sendmail (whichever version
is included in the newly re-made world) clobbers postfix (even as
recently as about 10 days ago.) My only solace is the fact that I
can set up postfix in <10 minutes now, including compile time. I
guess practice made perfect. (using 4-STABLE the whole time)
has anyone had this problem and was actually able to fix it?
(again, NO_SENDMAIL=true ain't doing the job.)

mike

On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 11:46:27PM -0600, Christopher Farley wrote:
> Today I started tracking FreeBSD-STABLE (from 4.0-RELEASE). After it was
> all said an done, my sendmail 8.10.1 installation was trashed,
> despite having the NO_SENDMAIL flag set to "true" in /etc/make.conf.
> 
> After telnetting to freebsd.org 25 and seeing that freebsd.org ran
> Postfix (as well as my service provider, and several other sites I
> respect), I installed Postfix from the ports collection. An hour later,
> I now have a sendmail-free system. And I didn't even have to 'compile' a
> .cf file.
> 
> My question is: how can I prevent "make world" from trashing my Postfix
> installation in the future? I needed to make some symlinks from
> /usr/sbin/sendmail --> /usr/local/sbin/sendmail, etc.
> 
> Why doesn't the standard FreeBSD distribution come with Postfix
> (very easy to configure, doesn't run as root) instead of Sendmail?
> 
> ----
> Christopher Farley
> Northern Brewer / 1150 Grand Avenue / St. Paul, MN 55105
> www.northernbrewer.com


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Hi all

for those of you who hate dalnet due to poor services their is a new network
up :o)

irctgnet and has a #freebsd support room :o) all the servers are freebsd :o)

the two server addys are :

ns.irctgnet.com
spokane.irctgnet.com

Kathy (aka PinkyDwaggy)




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Hello Jim,
I have the same problem and have asked if there is a cure. Unfortunately, the 
person who maintains the port, is away until January 2001. I really like so52 
but its frustrating as hell to have to run netscape over it if you happen to 
need infonet.

If you happen to find the fix, please let me know. I will do same if I can 
find cure.

--Lanny

On Friday 01 December 2000 20:29, Jim Durham wrote:
> After installing Staroffice 5.2 on two different 4.1
> machines, I noticed that networking is totally
> non-functional. IE; no browsing, ftp or e-mail.
>
> Searching the mail archives turned up a couple
> references to this problem but no solution.
>
> ????
>
> -Jim Durham
>
>
>
>
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, xavian anderson macpherson wrote:

> MY SOUNDCARD (SOUNDBLASTER16 CT1770 SCSI-2) IS MY SCSI CONTROLLER.
> MY CDROM IS SCSI.
> NO SOUNDCARD==NO SCSI CDROM.
> IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

Your capslock key appears to be broken. Let me help you out.

That little button, usually above the left shift key and below the tab
key? Press it. Monkeys are capable of this incredible feat of
coordination, so I think with a bit of help and careful training you too
may be able to perform this task.

G

"And then it comes to be that the soothing light
   at the end of your tunnel was just a freight
            train, comin' your way."

      George Reid * greid@ukug.uk.freebsd.org



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go spam somewhere else about your cheezy network.

FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Kathy Quinlan wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> for those of you who hate dalnet due to poor services their is a new network
> up :o)
> 
> irctgnet and has a #freebsd support room :o) all the servers are freebsd :o)
> 
> the two server addys are :
> 
> ns.irctgnet.com
> spokane.irctgnet.com
> 
> Kathy (aka PinkyDwaggy)
> 
> 
> 
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I find so52 to be like its own wm. I would like to see each program to run
on its own :)

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Lanny Baron wrote:

> Hello Jim,
> I have the same problem and have asked if there is a cure. Unfortunately, the 
> person who maintains the port, is away until January 2001. I really like so52 
> but its frustrating as hell to have to run netscape over it if you happen to 
> need infonet.
> 
> If you happen to find the fix, please let me know. I will do same if I can 
> find cure.
> 
> --Lanny
> 
> On Friday 01 December 2000 20:29, Jim Durham wrote:
> > After installing Staroffice 5.2 on two different 4.1
> > machines, I noticed that networking is totally
> > non-functional. IE; no browsing, ftp or e-mail.
> >
> > Searching the mail archives turned up a couple
> > references to this problem but no solution.
> >
> > ????
> >
> > -Jim Durham
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi there,

If you want to make your securelevel -1 then your line must look like
this in /etc/rc.conf

kern_securelevel="-1"

You then have to reboot as you can't go down a securelevel while a
machine is already at a higher level.  You will then be able to change
the immutable flag on the kernel.  :)

See the man page for init(8) which can provide you with more info.

Cheers,
Marc

On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:06:10PM +0100, Tomaz Izanc wrote:
> 
> hello!
> 
> How can I setup kern.securelevel to 0 or -1 ?
> in rc.conf i have setup :
> 
> kern_securelevel="0"
> kern_securelevel_enable="YES"
> 
> but nothing..
> bash-2.04$ sysctl kern.securelevel
> kern.securelevel: 1
> 
> and if I go to :
> shutdown now
> I have also kern.securelevel: 1
> .....
> why all this..
> I want to change flags for /kernel
> 
> su-2.04# chflags noschg /kernel
> chflags: /kernel: Operation not permitted
> su-2.04#
> 
> so if anyone has some words for me pls.
> brgd,
> Tomaz


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	Ok, now this is WAY off topic, but you've both raised interesting
points.  But almost all languages do what you're talking about.  I know
spanish especially has words like hamborguesa, carro (cognate for american
car -automobile)  Also almost all languages fail to follow their own rules
all the time. Of course American English has taken both of these to an
extreme.  But the rate at which foreign word adoption is happening for all
languages is probably increasing due to increased world travel and
communication.  Ala the slashdot article on Spanish being ruined by
technical english words.

							Tim

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Peter Lai wrote:

>  i'd have to agree
> 
> English is classified as a Germanic languague because that is what the core
> is written in :)
> 
> Then people added more and more words from other languages that were ported
> over to English. :)
> 
> Syntatical structure is quite unique, based on the Latin system.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Y u r i
> To: questions@freebsd.org
> Sent: 12/2/2000 4:05 AM
> Subject: Tyr'd with all this pronunciation thread
> 
> Hello ,
> 
> Unfortunately, the English language predominates the Internet world
> despite it not being a very good language. Really just a bastardization 
> of other languages, English doesn't even follow it's own standards. The 
> only thing going for the English language is its large installed base --
> sort of like Microsoft Windows.
> 
> -- 
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Joe Oliveiro wrote:

> I find so52 to be like its own wm. I would like to see each program to run
> on its own :)
> 

I hear that.... basic unix philosophy...  Oddly enough, the Windows
version does the same thing and I've found it scares casual
users by replacing their familiar desktop. 8-) However, it works
rather well for supplying common document compatability with the
Microsoft stuff on *nix. . Koffice looks very promising also.
They do it right, one app at a time! However, KDE on FreeBSD
is a little shakey at the moment and also, koffice can't write
M$Office file types. I think it just reads them. For their
first effort, it's really impressive, though.

> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Lanny Baron wrote:
> 
> > Hello Jim,
> > I have the same problem and have asked if there is a cure. Unfortunately, the 
> > person who maintains the port, is away until January 2001. I really like so52 
> > but its frustrating as hell to have to run netscape over it if you happen to 
> > need infonet.
> > 
> > If you happen to find the fix, please let me know. I will do same if I can 
> > find cure.

I'll try to remember to do that.

> > On Friday 01 December 2000 20:29, Jim Durham wrote:
> > > After installing Staroffice 5.2 on two different 4.1
> > > machines, I noticed that networking is totally
> > > non-functional. IE; no browsing, ftp or e-mail.
> > >
> > > Searching the mail archives turned up a couple
> > > references to this problem but no solution.
> > >
> > > ????



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Hopefully since Sun donated SO to the gnome project some things on it will
change. I've never used kde but i wouldnt install it just for koffice,
especially since it doesnt write M$ docs.

I've heard some good things about KDE2, i wonder if thats any better?


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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Durham wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Joe Oliveiro wrote:
> 
> > I find so52 to be like its own wm. I would like to see each program to run
> > on its own :)
> > 
> 
> I hear that.... basic unix philosophy...  Oddly enough, the Windows
> version does the same thing and I've found it scares casual
> users by replacing their familiar desktop. 8-) However, it works
> rather well for supplying common document compatability with the
> Microsoft stuff on *nix. . Koffice looks very promising also.
> They do it right, one app at a time! However, KDE on FreeBSD
> is a little shakey at the moment and also, koffice can't write
> M$Office file types. I think it just reads them. For their
> first effort, it's really impressive, though.
> 
> > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Lanny Baron wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello Jim,
> > > I have the same problem and have asked if there is a cure. Unfortunately, the 
> > > person who maintains the port, is away until January 2001. I really like so52 
> > > but its frustrating as hell to have to run netscape over it if you happen to 
> > > need infonet.
> > > 
> > > If you happen to find the fix, please let me know. I will do same if I can 
> > > find cure.
> 
> I'll try to remember to do that.
> 
> > > On Friday 01 December 2000 20:29, Jim Durham wrote:
> > > > After installing Staroffice 5.2 on two different 4.1
> > > > machines, I noticed that networking is totally
> > > > non-functional. IE; no browsing, ftp or e-mail.
> > > >
> > > > Searching the mail archives turned up a couple
> > > > references to this problem but no solution.
> > > >
> > > > ????
> 
> 



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Dear Monica;
I've never tried this before, but take a look at
http://web.onda.com.br/orso/ , the link is CHETCPASSWD.
The guy is also a Brazilian and maybe he can take a closer look at your
problem.

Good Luck !

> "Monica M. Maria" wrote:
> 
> Dear Sirs;
> I have an Internet provider for clients use, our main business is
> Engineering with CAE/CAD/CAM technology. My commercial URL is
> www.polycad.com.br. Our users could have their password changed in our
> website till some months ago. I have lost a webmaster for other job,
> he didn´t leave anything written for further assistance and this
> process stopped working. Our server is running FreeBSD. We can´t find
> any procedure to correct this problem, so our users/clients can´t
> change their password by our site.
> I´m starting to understand how our server works only now but I think
> the procedure used to change the password was removed. I´ve been
> looking over the internet and today I decided to contact you because
> I´m pretty lost!
> I wish I could have any directions about what to do, where to find a
> program/procedure to do what I need. I would appreciate very much any
> advise or suggestion in order to put this task to work again.
> I apologize for any incovenience.
> Best regards
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Hi,

Heres what I want to do, any ideas people?:

This is a medium sized LAN.

When people log onto the network (Windows workstations powered by fBSD servers)
I want them to be assigned a tempoary IP address via DHCP. When they
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Reason being it is easier to implement User level Filtering options.

Any suggestions?

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In the FreeBSD Security How-To at:
http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html#bpf
it says 'By default FreeBSD's kernel does not support BPF.'

and yet in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC there is a line:
pseudo-device bpf       #Berkeley packet filter

Is the default kernel generated from something other than GENERIC,
or is bpf disabled in some way by default?

Thanks again
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Hope the subject is ok. What puzzles me most is, that it works ok for
root. When uzs106 calls netscape (linux netscape 4.7.2 of the 4.0 R Walnut
Creek CDs), it hangs for a minute of so, when the modem isnt connected.
The IP6 things in MYKERNEL are disabled. No problems with lynx.
Netscape http://localhost or netscape ./file.html. The OS is 4.0 R.
Is there some known bug that I have overlooked ?

I think this strange netscaping wasnt there from the beginning. It started
after recompiling KERNEL for a new CPU (PII), or after I had installed
Netscape 6 (which was deinstalled very quickly, ugly and slow..)

Thanks.

H.


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pseudo-device   bpfilter 1      #Berkeley packet filter
is enabled by default in my GENERIC kernel configurations, atleast in
3.5-s they are.

pseudo-device   bpf             #Berkeley packet filter

unser 4.x, it appears to be enabled by default in the GENERIC kernel
configuration also. 

Whether the system by default uses these is a different story.


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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, John Murphy wrote:

> In the FreeBSD Security How-To at:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html#bpf
> it says 'By default FreeBSD's kernel does not support BPF.'
> 
> and yet in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC there is a line:
> pseudo-device bpf       #Berkeley packet filter
> 
> Is the default kernel generated from something other than GENERIC,
> or is bpf disabled in some way by default?
> 
> Thanks again
> John.
> 
> 
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Check to make sure that you are not loading up netscape's default home
page or anything. If you have a default start page other than something
local (or nothing) netscape will try and resolve that hostname.

I leave my start page as being blank.

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Heiko Recktenwald wrote:

> Hope the subject is ok. What puzzles me most is, that it works ok for
> root. When uzs106 calls netscape (linux netscape 4.7.2 of the 4.0 R Walnut
> Creek CDs), it hangs for a minute of so, when the modem isnt connected.
> The IP6 things in MYKERNEL are disabled. No problems with lynx.
> Netscape http://localhost or netscape ./file.html. The OS is 4.0 R.
> Is there some known bug that I have overlooked ?
> 
> I think this strange netscaping wasnt there from the beginning. It started
> after recompiling KERNEL for a new CPU (PII), or after I had installed
> Netscape 6 (which was deinstalled very quickly, ugly and slow..)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> Plese include me in replies because I am currently not subscribed to
> -questions.
> 
> 
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, John Murphy wrote:

> In the FreeBSD Security How-To at:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html#bpf
> it says 'By default FreeBSD's kernel does not support BPF.'
> 
> and yet in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC there is a line:
> pseudo-device bpf       #Berkeley packet filter
> 
> Is the default kernel generated from something other than GENERIC,
> or is bpf disabled in some way by default?

Hi John,

According to the release notes, bpf was enabled as of 3.3 Release:

http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.3R/notes.html

Cheers,

Dru



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Hi!

I just want to know if it is possible to download a especific port say =
xfree86 4.0.1 with all the patches and XFree86 4.0.1 source code into a =
computer.
=20
The reasson is that i don=B4t have direct connection to the internet, (a =
Ms Proxy problem), but i can do ftp from other win98 and NT computers in =
the Net, can i download the port? and after that ftp the port from a =
win98 machine to my FreeBSD (locally of course)?, if yes, wich files i =
need to download? and from what ftp servers?
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thanks in advance.

Eric De La Cruz Lugo
Merida, Yucatan., Mexico. The Maya Land.

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You can fetch the requested files yourself and once you've dont that copy
them to /usr/ports/distfiles=20

then do your 'make install clean'

FreeBSD - The BEST upgrade you can do to NT!

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Eric De La Cruz Lugo wrote:

> Hi!
>=20
> I just want to know if it is possible to download a especific port say xf=
ree86 4.0.1 with all the patches and XFree86 4.0.1 source code into a compu=
ter.
> =20
> The reasson is that i don=B4t have direct connection to the internet, (a =
Ms Proxy problem), but i can do ftp from other win98 and NT computers in th=
e Net, can i download the port? and after that ftp the port from a win98 ma=
chine to my FreeBSD (locally of course)?, if yes, wich files i need to down=
load? and from what ftp servers?
> =20
> thanks in advance.
>=20
> Eric De La Cruz Lugo
> Merida, Yucatan., Mexico. The Maya Land.
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Michael Dungan wrote:

> For what it's worth, I have had this exact same problem for over
> 6 months, but it never bothered me enough to write into the list.
> NO_SENDMAIL=true has been uncommented in make.conf the whole time,
> yet every time I re-make the the world, sendmail (whichever version
> is included in the newly re-made world) clobbers postfix (even as
> recently as about 10 days ago.) My only solace is the fact that I
> can set up postfix in <10 minutes now, including compile time. I
> guess practice made perfect. (using 4-STABLE the whole time)
> has anyone had this problem and was actually able to fix it?
> (again, NO_SENDMAIL=true ain't doing the job.)

I think the concensus on this thread is that NO_SENDMAIL=true works
fine. And, since Postfix (from the Ports Collection) installs in
/usr/local/sbin, I don't think it should touch Postfix. However if you
install Postfix (or the Postfix sendmail program) in any other location,
particularly in /usr/sbin, this may be a problem.

I think my hand-build MTA was destroyed by make world because I didn't
understand how FreeBSD invokes sendmail. For example, the 'sendmail' in
/usr/sbin is a symlink to /usr/sbin/mailwrapper. The same goes for
/usr/bin/mailq and /usr/bin/newaliases. They both link to
/usr/sbin/mailwrapper.

mailwrapper consults /etc/mail/mailer.conf. By default, that file lists
the sendmail, mailq and newaliases binaries installed with the system.
Instead, you need to change them to point to the location of your
Postfix (or qmail, or whatever) sendmail equivalents. My mail.conf looks
like this:

# Execute the "Postfix" sendmail program, named /usr/local/sbin/sendmail
#
sendmail	/usr/local/sbin/sendmail
send-mail	/usr/local/sbin/sendmail
mailq		/usr/local/sbin/sendmail -bp	
newaliases	/usr/local/sbin/sendmail -bi


If you hand-compile and install some MTAs (including Postfix), they
instruct you to modify the sendmail 'binary' in /usr/sbin. I *think*
(but can not yet confirm) that 'make world' will restore the symlinks to
mailwrapper, thus overwriting any custom sendmail program you may
have installed in /usr/sbin. that this would occur even with
'NO_SENDMAIL=true' makes sense to me, because technically these
symlinks always point to mailwrapper and not sendmail per se.

I think that mailwrapper exists for one purpose: so that you don't
need to modify anything in /usr, and so that Postfix/qmail/whatever
can go in /usr/local. If this is the case, it sounds like a good
idea, but it is a shame that only FreeBSD implements it, and it is
not mentioned in any standard UNIX documentation, the Handbook,
the Complete FreeBSD, etc.

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Hi,

Would you please advise who can answer questions on the UFS
structure? Or provide link/site, if any, providing that?

I'm writing in the name of the Russian hosting company "Majordomo.Ru".
Our server was hacked a week ago - and all information was destroyed
(we presume rm -rf command was used).
Using software like diskedit we can dig for some
information (backup, as you might realize, is just a dream and plans to
be implemented next week). So, we searched for the info on detailed
UFS structure - and didn't find anything but general descriptions and
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Hello all !

I have trouble to compile some of the ports I just cvsuped :(

XMMS-1.2.4 fails to compile with that:

controlsocket.o: In function `ctrlsocket_func':
controlsocket.o(.text+0x277): undefined reference to `__pthread_select'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x2a0): undefined reference to `__pthread_accept'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x2c6): undefined reference to `__pthread_read'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x2ec): undefined reference to `__pthread_read'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x341): undefined reference to `__pthread_write'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x350): undefined reference to `__pthread_write'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x3a6): undefined reference to `__pthread_write'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x3b5): undefined reference to `__pthread_write'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x40e): undefined reference to `__pthread_write'
controlsocket.o(.text+0x41d): more undefined references to
`__pthread_write' follow
*** Error code 1

EveryBuddy-0.1.5 and Fidelio-0.9.5 also fail to compile and complain
about PThread...

I am running 4.2-STABLE from November 26th.

PS: Sorry I don't speak english perfectly :p

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hi;
mozilla keeps crashing and i am trying to run it under gdb so i can fiugre
out why.

but it cant findthe shared libs when i run it in gdb, what step am i
missing?

john# pwd
/usr/home/spaz/mozilla/dist/bin
john# gdb mozilla-bin
GNU gdb 4.18
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you
are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for
details.
This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
(gdb) r
Starting program: /usr/home/spaz/mozilla/dist/bin/mozilla-bin 
/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libgkgfx.so" not found

Program exited with code 01.
(gdb) 


any suggestions would be appreciated, *except* for onse that say 'go
browse this website to learn how to do this' because right now i have *no*
effective browser. netscape keeps crashing and mozilla keeps crashing :-( 
at least i have src for mozilla.....
i am *guessing* that the problem is that i am running XF864.01...but this
is pure speculation....

tnx!

johnu



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Hello, my name is Alex, I am from Moscow.
 I need your help. I want to start my Squid 
(path:/usr/local/squid/bin/squid) in boot time, 
can you send me rc.conf.local example that will do this?

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Got a problem when trying to install the vtund port from the
ports collection.

All dependencies are checked out OK, but still the following error
occur when I do a make (or make install)

<snip>

configure:1919: checking for SSL Library and Header files ... 
configure:1922: checking for md5.h blowfish.h
(end of "config.log")
*** Error code 1
Stop.

</snip>

Had the same problem on a FreeBSD 4.1, but that was fixed
easily by adding the crypto lib, which was forgotten in the install.
Thought I could fix the same under 3.51 but (in sysinstall) the it
only reports a DES option, no crypto option as in 4.1.
The problem still exists after installation of the DES lib.  There something
missing in the crypto lib but what, and how can I add the missing
files???

I hope I could get the thing working without upgrading to 4.1 on the system.
(Is it possible to upgrade a system from 3.51 to 4.x?)

I'm running 3.51 stable with SSH previosly installed.

And no, I cant reinstall with 4.1 on the server (nor want I) since its
located
in another contry.

PeTe


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as you'll find out, i like to mentally antagonize people with pointed
questions or remarks to get a response from them.  it is a terrible flaw in
my personality.  i don't like to argue.  that's not the purpose of doing it.
i am fascinated with probing into things that many ignore.  and if i see
something in anything or anyone, i tend to pry at it until i find out what
it is made of.  yes you are absolutely right, i'm single.  and i am very
adept at seeing trends before they are apparent to others.  although in the
case of MS, it does not take a genius to see where billy boy is headed.  if
i had his money, i would probably do the same thing.  there are somethings
that i can be very generous with, and others with which i am absolutely
selfish.  so i can't blame bill for doing what he has done or intends to do.
he has worked hard to acquire it, and he has everyright to keep it.  as
would i.

it took me one hour to install NT.  and NT ran just fine.  it also took me
that long(er, due to downloading the software, once i figured out that i
couldn't install from the cd's but could from the net) to install freebsd.
i had no trouble installing freebsd from the net.  i think i only got it to
run once.  i am not sure about this, because i know that i soon went back
and tried to install xfree-4.0.  but freebsd didn't run after i switched
versions of the x-window to 4.0.  i had the same problem with freebsd that i
had with linux.  supposedly the drivers weren't usable for my video card.  i
have an ATI RAGE PRO 3D 2X AGP.  if there is an easy remedy to this, i sure
would like to know.  (supposedly the latest version of 4.0 may work with my
card now.  but i have nothing left to test it with to know.)  after trying
to figure out what to do with the situation to correct the problem, i gave
up.  i tried removing the xfree-4.0 components and reinstall the original
3.3.6.  that didn't work and it didn't make sense why not.  so that's when i
went out and brought NT.  the only reason why i have reinstalled NT so many
times is that i didn't have the right disk set-up for it from the beginning
(and i admit i can't stop tinkering with things).  i started out with the
same 640MB (first in a set of four ide's) that i frist used for linux.  i
basically removed my root partition from linux [actually freebsd as you'll
see in the second sentence] and replaced it with NT.  leaving the other
three disks for freebsd.  actually, let me correct that..  i had already
removed linux and replaced it with freebsd slices, spread over the same four
disks that i initially had linux on.  i now have these disks, as follows;

1    SCSI CDROM WITH SOUNDBLASTER16  $20 combined with warranty. came in
handy
      i had to replace the soundcard for the one i have now, listening to
jazz out of WARSAW, POLAND!
1    540MB SCSI    QUANTUM $15   used exclusively for virtual memory
(against 256mb's ram)
1    640MB IDE       WESTERN     my very first disk that came with this used
computer. $200
    it's now in my second computer; which was actually my first.  confused?
all of my computers are used!
    the 640 is now back in the original computer.  the one i am using now is
actually my fifth
    ($25) computer (a tower case with four external drive bays).  but
because i use it as my primary,
     i think of it as the first, even though it is not. ok?  clear!
    that original computer also now has two very small disks (127 and
245mb's) and one huge old 600mb 5.25"
    all of which i got for $15 including two isa cards.  i spent another $5
for the speakers i am using now.
    they came with a radio card which i used once.  i also have 1 IBM PS2
(free), 1 empty AST 486 case
    (which the first 1.24gb harddrive came in for $50, and another empty $15
or $20 case with a motherboard
    removed but the cards still in the slots.  : )
    DO THIS SORT OF SOUND LIKE THE TWELVE DAYS OF CHRISTMAS?
    you folks have to take me in stride.  because even when you think i'm
YELLING, i'm not!
    i'm probably LAUGHING,  as that is how i spend most of my time anyway,
EVEN WHEN I'M RANTING!
     I'M LAUGHING.  also, as you should be able to see from this,   I AM
VERY CHEAP!!!
    that is the main reason why i was so upset about spending my money on
freebsd.
    i had been bragging about how terrific linux was.  then i (smugly)
expected to have the same level
    of enthusiasm for freebsd.  i like being smug.  i don't like to do
things unless i do so ethusiastically.
    so when i am upset, i am equally enthusaistic about it.  make sense?
    the bottomline is I AM STILL ENJOYING MYSELF ON SOME LEVEL.
    either that, or i really am a masochistic fool!  i just wish freebsd was
working for me!!
    i mean it really sounds great!  that's why i brought it!  i'm
adventurous, and i like tinkering!
    back to the facts!
1    850MB IDE       SEAGATE $25     my third used harddisk
2    1.24GB IDE's   WESTERN $35 for (the 2nd) one, and $50 for the AST 486
computer
    the first one came out of.  my second and fifth used disks. same size
different models
1    13.6GB ATA33  WESTERN $119    my only disk purchased new
    so as you should have realized, i actually have 9 yes nine harddrives in
two computers.

when i first installed NT, i had five disks in my computer.  the 540, 640,
850mb, 1.24 and 13.6gb.  three weeks later (2000.10.26), i brought the
second 1.2gb western digital.  initially i installed NT  to take up all of
the 640.  but then i wanted (needed?) fat16 to share files between NT  and
everything else i had on my computer.  so i reinstalled NT on a smaller
partition, leaving room for a fat16 partition.  initially i only wanted NT
to supplement my unix evironment.  i never thought i would wind up replacing
unix with NT.  i've changed things so much since then, that i've lost track
of the progression.  at some point i was using the 540 (formatted as fat16,
since the pagefile.sys can't be compressed; it made no sense to have it (the
540) formatted for NTFS) to share files between NT and linux or freebsd.  i
still have linux on the last (4.7gb) partition of my 13.6gb disk; although
it is not functional, that is, bootable.  i moved everything of linux there
as a last ditch hope that maybe i might still want to use it at some point.
so rather than just erase it completely, i moved it to space i didn't really
need.

now i have the 850mb, 1.24, 1.24 and 13.6gb drives in my primary computer.
and the 127, 245, 640 and the massive 600mb (5.25") in the second computer.
i have a very small linux system installed on the 127mb (no GUI), windows NT
still on the 640 (which for some reason is not booting now), windows 95 on
the 245mb and i think MSDOS on the 600mb (5.25")  none of the disks in the
second computer are booting.  so it's basically just taking up space.  kind
of like what you guys think of me.  ;  )

if i now were to install freebsd again, it would be on that last partition.
as freebsd does not seem to have the same problem with booting beyond the
1024 cylinder limit thanks to it's boot manager (which i still have
installed and am still using).  i found it rather funny that someone would
actually write me in criticism of my not knowing about some piece of
third-party software for freebsd to give it the compressed filesystem that
comes with NT standard.  i clearly used the term `integrated' to define that
particular feature.  they must not understand the word `INTEGRATED'!  that's
why you have to get third-party software for freebsd, because filesystem
compression is not embeded in the kernel as a filesystem module.  you can do
the same thing for windows 95 and 98, at least i think you can.  but with
NT, it's standard; no add-on's.

anyway, my final (or at least current until i change it again) disk
cinfiguration is as follows;
3.5"    floppy
5.25"  floppy $5 also exchangeable with floppy tape drive(also $5)
SCSI CDROM
540mb        virtual memory the only fat16 of the lot (also scsi)
850mb        c:\    this is the main drive.  \winnt  etc.
1.22gb        d:\    program files that don't have to be put on C drive
                          personal programs
1.22gb        e:\    server program files and sound/voice sdk's, including
staroffice 5.2 and roxen
                          and all of the sun java sdk's and server
components.  just more toys.
13.6gb        f:\    only 8.9gb's used for NT.  programming languages,
compressed file archives, image libraries and asst sdk's

i just figured out what i will do with that last 4.7gb's.  i'll put INTERIX
there with all of the freebsd software that i am currently unable to use
because of the lack of a driver for freebsd's kernel to run my scsi disks.
that way, i'll have the NTFS compressed filesystem and the running the unix
system under NT all on one disk.  which is what i wanted in the first place.
thank you for letting me talk this through.  i have now answered my dilemma,
much to my satisfaction.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Hamilton Hoover" <hamilton@twopoint.com>
To: "xavian anderson macpherson" <professional3d@home.com>
Cc: <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: installing freebsd from windows nt without using boot disks


> xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> >
> > it didn't take six days to install NT.  I INSTALLED IT IN ONE HOUR,
after
> > spending six days trying to get freebsd to run.  freebsd was running
after
> > my first attempt.
>
> Your first attempt took six days? I just started using fbsd three weeks
> ago. I got my first system up and running in one day. I loaded my box
> off the ftp site. It was a very nice experience for me. I have loaded
> many many Win9x/nt systems in the past few years. An nt install should
> only take an hour or so, but getting the damm thing to run right takes
> weeks.
>
again, it loaded and ran with no trouble.
>
> >  i am no idiot.

actually my high iq gets me into alot of trouble.  the problem is that i am
lazy.  i want everything to work just the way it said is was going to.  as i
seldom buy anything that doesn't grab my attention.  i don't but things for
appearances sake.  if it's technically intense, i want it.  i brought an
avocet altimeter watch.  supposedly because i was going to use it for
hanggliding.  i never did.  the truth is, i just like it as a toy.  i
brought another watch by seiko which was a specialized chronometer.  i was a
cyclist at the time.  i do like things that are tecnologically advanced.
especially toys.  i but them to have fun.  and yes i do have a habit of
trying to make everything work without the instructions.  i also find that
fun.  being bright can be a drawback.  it can make you think that everything
will always be easy.  most of the time it is, and i can figure something out
without trying.  typically, if i can't figure something out on my own, it is
very unlikely that someone can with muchless without the instructions
either.  that is unless they happen to be a whole lot brighter than i.  i
haven't met too many people who fit that that category.  i can usually
glance at something that someone else has been struggling with, for what
seems to them (and me too), for an eternity. and give them the answer in
moments.  that is if they can keep up with the explanation.  but i am also
good at communicating with children.  i just love their curiosity, because i
still function (at 44) with the curiosity of a child.  i know that there are
brighter people out there, i just haven't met them personally.  i do know
one woman who i went to highschool with.  she may? have been brighter than
me.  i don't really know for sure.  we spent alot of time together.  we were
basically the only two (M+F) people who could tolerate eachother.  we were
well matched.  she did go to harvard law school.  but when she got out, she
became a playwrite instead.  that doesn't mean she wasn't bright.  law just
wasn't her first love.  it was her father's.  he was a lawyer who later
became a judge.  her family was a refuge for me in highschool.  math is my
first love, law is my second.  i am a right-brained formalist and a
left-brained esoteric.  that's what got me into computers back in 1980.  i
found that i had a natural and still unexplained gift for determining the
formulas exponential series.  i think at that time, they called them
minicomputers back then.  it was a honeywell that was over 8 feet long.  it
probably had less computational power than the TI85 calculator i have.  i
wrote programs in fortran (on punch cards), and quickly learned just how
remedial it was for performing fuctions that required dynamic arrays.  i was
doing computations of multidimensional matrices.  so i taught myself APL
(aka IVERSON NOTATION).  i loved the cryptic notation; it reminded me of the
codes i used to create as child of 9 and 10 years of age.  and now the new
HP calculators are even better.  i wrote a program on my TI calculator for
balistic coeffecients.  another one for designing the airfoil variables from
root to tip, of a specialized hangglider with slotted wings.  i wrote
another one for measuring the rate of absorption of insulin over a set
period of time and the corresponding de/accelleration of glucose.  i'm
diabetic.  i do math for fun, like some people sit around and play
solitaire.  although lately i've been wasting all of my time on this
computer. doing nothing in particular, but distracting myself with pretty
polish voices on a jazz station from warsaw, and trying to decifer japaness
webpages to download software (for which language i have no idea of what i'm
doing;  it's just fun.  while other kids shoplifted, i took to acquiring
chemical encyclopedias and aviation books which weren't mine to have.  my
idea of fun does not coincide with most of the people i know.).  which is
what i do with math anyway.  something has to have my attention, so it might
as well be this.  so no, i am no idiot.  i just get very impatient with
incompetence.  and have absolutely no kindness when misled.  that's my
legalism.  i want everything by the numbers.  precisely!  especially when
those numbers involve money.

my first involvement with personal computers, was mcintosh.  which at first
i thought was a joke.  until i realized just how easy it was to sit down and
do things immediately without training.  actually, my first involvement with
automated electronics was an old IBM MAGCARD 2 wordprocessor which i wound
up teaching my girlfriend at the time who was a professional typist (95wpm)
how to use, (I) having never seen one before in my life, or even having sat
at an electronic typewriter.  it was in fact after that that i learned about
my intuitive abilities.  it's also what got me a job at IBM, though briefly.
you only had to know me at that point in my life (and in fact ever since) to
know that i don't fit the mold.  i have always been a nonconformist.
however, when it comes to the things i use, i definately want them to
conform to me.

DID YOU ALSO NOTICE THAT I LIKE THE WRITE?  i have a large collection of
writings on religious philosophy which i will probably use my computer and
web site to publish.  so no, i am no idiot.  you may not like my style.  but
don't mistake it for stupidity.
>
> see below
>
> > i tried to install xfree86 version 4.0
> > after having first installed version 3.3.6 or whatever it was that was
the
> > base package.  after trying to do that, i nolonger had use of the
> > x-terminal.  i tried to remove the version 4.0, but i got nowhere with
that.
> > i didn't want to erase everything that i had installed, just to start
all
> > over again.  i had downloaded over 8 GB's of software from the web. i
did
> > not want to go through that all over again.
>
>
> I would suggest you look in the mail list archive and see if somebody
> has had a similar problem. The help is there if you look for it. Instead
> of coming on this list and ripping about fbsd perhaps you should have
> come here first and asked for help. As a new fbsd user I have had great
> ammount of personal success and gotten a great benefit in the list. I
> worked on a project for where I work for six month, when I moved to fbsd
> three weeks ago my problem has been solved. It was that easy to do with
> the help I got from this list and with the fbsd o/s.
>
> >
> > i got freebsd on SEPTEMBER 30.  i got WINDOWS NT on OCTOBER 5.  after
> > removing the linux boot sector on the disk i wanted to use, it took me
less
> > than one hour to format and install NT.  i have been running it ever
since.
>
> Perhaps you should just stay with nt and forget all about unix. you got
> fbsd on sep 6 and your just now getting here? and I'm a little confused
> about your linux boot sector.
>
> > I DON'T WANT TWO SEPARATE OPERATING SYSTEMS, I WANT ONE WHICH WILL GIVE
ME
> > UNIVERSAL COVERAGE OF BOTH WINDOWS AND UNIX.
>
> perhaps you should look at vmware?

the MS INTERIX package seems to give what i want from one (OS) without the
need
 for two (separate OS's with a cohsive between them).
and low and behold, it costs less than vmware.
it is designed specifically for NT/2000; not 95, 98 or ME.
>
>   THAT IS WHAT I BELIEVE
> > MICROSOFT IS INTENDING TO DO WITH INTERIX, WHEN THEY PUT IT INTO THE
> > SERVICES FOR UNIX PACKAGE.  THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE!  LONG LIVE THE
> > HIGHLANDER `GATES'.
>
>
> as for your aforementioned claim as to not being an 'idiot', you don't
> pass.
>
i like poking fun at people.  it's a nasty habit i got from being the first
of four children.  the next one is seven years younger than me.
go figure!  i also like making puns.  i could have resisted the desire to
connect there being only one primary OS  and the highlander, but forgive me,
i chose not to.  i love temptation.  and my mind works (much) faster than i
can type.  if you think i'm nuts, you should have the misfortune of being
around me.  first of all, you would either love or hate my sense of humor.
there really isn't much of a middle ground with me.   and yes at age 44, i
still call me young siblings and give them hell.  laughing all the while.
and i don't mind it too much when people (my friends in particular) laugh at
me.  so if anything, i hope that you were laughing when you read my previous
emails, or are at least doing so by now.  take care, all!

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I notice that the FreeBSD site talks about the AMD
K-6, but I could find no information on the Athlon or
Thunderbird.  Is the Athlon/Thunderbird supported?  If
so, were can I find some info on them.

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Luke Eckley wrote:
> 
> I notice that the FreeBSD site talks about the AMD
> K-6, but I could find no information on the Athlon or
> Thunderbird.  Is the Athlon/Thunderbird supported?  If
> so, were can I find some info on them.

There isn't much to look up on them. They show up as

CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (900.04-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "AuthenticAMD"  Id = 0x642  Stepping = 2
 
Features=0x183f9ff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,MMX,FXSR>
  AMD Features=0xc0440000<<b18>,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!>
real memory  = 268369920 (262080K bytes)

This means you use the "cpu I686_CPU" option in your kernel. The
system it replaced (a P-200) required 277K seconds to do a setiathome
work unit. The Thunderbird only uses 17K seconds. A system update of
4-stable using my upworld shell script required 1840u seconds from
cvsup to installworld. A P-II 400 requires ~4420u seconds.

I don't think the gnu compilers are optimized for the additional
pipelines that the Thunderbird has over the Intel Pentium's. I haven't
had it running long enough to find out what I can do for
optimizations.

Kent

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>still call me young siblings and give them hell.  laughing all the while.
>and i don't mind it too much when people (my friends in particular) laugh at
>me.  so if anything, i hope that you were laughing when you read my previous
>emails, or are at least doing so by now.  take care, all!


OK I am an absolute freebsd pre-newbie (I haven't even installed it yet) 
and I just subscribed to some listserves as a preliminary preparation and I 
came in the middle of this conversation but here goes anyway.

This whole attitude of "I was just kidding and laughing when I said your 
baby was ugly" business is crap. It's not right to come to a freebsd board 
(questions no less) and go on some tirade about how much freebsd sucks or 
NT rulez. If that's your opinion then great! go use NT and leave, nobody is 
forcing you to do anything. It's not your place to come here tell everybody 
how much their choice of operating system sucks.
I don't believe you when you say you were laughing and kidding I think you 
are a troll and a nasty person who wants to argue just to argue and who 
likes to hear himself speak (figuratively of course). It's obvious you 
enjoy insulting people and aggravating them rather then trying to help 
somebody. As far as I know (not much) this forum is for asking and 
answering question. Either ask your question, take the time out to help 
somebody or shut up.

As for your main point. I know that there are a lot of stupid and foolish 
people in the world, and god knows I have run into plenty of stupid and 
foolish business people. But any person who goes shopping for a unix 
solution from Microsoft has got to be the stupidest of the stupid. When 
Sun, HP, IBM, Compaq/digital, SGI etc have decades of Unix experience and 
have the state of the art unix hardware and software. Going to  MS and 
having to rely on some halfway solution would be enough to trigger a herd 
of shareholder lawsuits. Besides it would be a supreme embarassment to 
microsoft to admit that NT does not cut it. MS has been saying (lying 
actually but for MS there is no difference between lying and speaking) for 
years that NT was a better unix then unix and now to backtrack from that 
180 degrees and admit that NT can not solve all of your server problems 
would be a shameful act. The whole interix deal was not have a MS port of 
Unix it was to allow people to port their unix apps to NT and maybe in the 
interim run it on NT during the transition. Anybody who thinks they can run 
an enterprise app under unix emulation in NT needs to immediately canned by 
their shareholders (along with all those CEOS who think they can sue MS if 
something goes wrong).

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Well, after much searching and reading and trial and error,
I still cannot get my LAN working.

Here is the situation:

1. Dual Homed FreeBSD gateway machine. vx0=public, al0=LAN
2. Win98 connected to FBSD machine with x-over cable
3. FreeBSD can ping W98 machine
4. W98 machine CANNOT ping FreeBSD machine - gives 'request timed out'.

I have tried to verify that I am not doing anything stupid, but 
that remains a possbility. Right now, I think the solution is
going to need another set of eyes and someone who knows alot
more about this than me.

Please, please, please help! :)

Also, I noticed during bootup that TCP extensions=NO was set.
What is this and does it matter?

Here is my current setup:

% cat /etc/rc.conf
ifconfig_ppp0="inet   netmask 255.255.255.0"
defaultrouter="44.55.66.1" #names have been changed to protect the
innocent
network_interfaces="lo0 vx0 al0"
ifconfig_lo0="inet  127.0.0.1"
ifconfig_vx0="inet   netmask 255.255.255.0"
ifconfig_vx0="DHCP"
ifconfig_al0="inet   192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0"
gateway_enable="YES"
hostname="eeyore1"
firewall_enable="YES"           # Set YES to enable firewall functionality
firewall_type="open"            # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall)
firewall_quiet="NO"             # Set to YES to supress rule display
natd_enable="YES"               # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES)
natd_interface="vx0"            # Public interface or IPaddress to use
natd_flags="-l -d -s -m -u -dynamic -n vx0"
%
% cat /etc/dhclient.conf
interface "vx0" {
        send host-name "CI555555-B";
        request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, routers,
domain-name-servers, domain-name, time-servers;
        require domain-name-servers;
        }
%

% ifconfig -a
vx0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        inet 44.55.66.77 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 44.55.66.255
        ether 00:60:97:4f:aa:a0
al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
        ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
        media: 100baseTX <full-duplex>
        supported media: autoselect 100baseTX <full-duplex> 100baseTX
<half-duplex> 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP <full-duplex> 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP
<half-duplex>
lp0: flags=8810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
tun0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
sl0: flags=c010<POINTOPOINT,LINK2,MULTICAST> mtu 552
ppp0: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
        inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
%

% ipfw -a l
00100  5 1677 divert 8668 ip from any to any via vx0
00100  0    0 allow ip from any to any via lo0
00200  0    0 deny ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8
65000 57 4746 allow ip from any to any
65535  0    0 deny ip from any to any
%

% ps -waux | grep natd
root      103  0.0  0.4   440  240  ??  Is    2:24PM   0:00.00 /sbin/natd
-l -d -s -m -u -dynamic -n vx0 -n vx0
%

Pinging W98 machine from FBSD

% tcpdump -eni al0
tcpdump: listening on al0
14:39:44.424547 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 0800 98: 192.168.0.1 >
192.168.0.2: icmp: echo request
14:39:44.424722 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0806 60: arp who-has
192.168.0.1 tell 192.168.0.2
14:39:44.424748 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 0806 60: arp reply
192.168.0.1 is-at ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
14:39:44.424843 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 98: 192.168.0.2 >
192.168.0.1: icmp: echo reply
14:39:45.430746 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 0800 98: 192.168.0.1 >
192.168.0.2: icmp: echo request


Pinging FBSD machine from W98
% tcpdump -eni al0
tcpdump: listening on al0
14:41:11.339891 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 74: 192.168.0.2 >
192.168.0.1: icmp: echo request
14:41:15.442787 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 74: 192.168.0.2 >
192.168.0.1: icmp: echo request
14:41:19.942176 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 74: 192.168.0.2 >
192.168.0.1: icmp: echo request
14:41:24.441446 0:a0:cc:78:23:95 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff 0800 74: 192.168.0.2 >
192.168.0.1: icmp: echo request 

Thanks

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I forgot to mention:

The gateway machine is connected to @home  via a cable modem and
DHCP.

The windows machine setup is very simple.

IP: 192.168.0.2
Gateway: 192.168.0.1

WINS: disabled
DNS: disabled

The W98 machine will connect directly to @home. So, NIC works.

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At 10:42 PM +1100 12/2/00, Sue Blake wrote:
>I've seen this sort of thing in several man pages:
>
>cat(1)
>      -u      The -u option guarantees that the output is unbuffered.
>tr(1)
>      -u      The -u option guarantees that any output is unbuffered.
>tee(1)
>... The output is unbuffered.
>
>What does unbuffered mean, and how is it useful to know or
>manipulate that?

Usually output is buffered (in memory) for performance reasons.
When writing into a file, for instance, it often does not make
any difference if the OS were to wait a little while, and then
write out several lines at once, instead of writing every byte
the instant the program asks it to.

For interactive situations, this is obviously not workable.  A
program writes a prompt to the terminal, and then waits for an
reply.  This could be a long wait if the user hasn't seen the
reply!  Even if the program is just writing regular output (ie,
and not waiting for a reply), it might be the user will want to
do something the moment they see a certain message pop up.  For
this reason, I/O to a terminal is not buffered by default.

But that's if the output is going directly to a terminal.
Consider:
     ./myprog | more

The "myprog" process has no way of knowing that the output is
really going to some terminal, so that process will feel free
to buffer output for performance reasons.  This usually is
the right thing to do when output is going thru a pipe to
another process, but in the above case this decision might
not be good.

So, some programs include an option so the user can specifically
request that the output should not be buffered.

You will sometimes notice the result of buffering when doing a
     ./myprog | more
where "myprog" is writing one set of messages to stderr, and
another set to stdout.  Those lines will be displayed in a
different order relative to each other, because the lines to
stdout are being buffered up before 'more' will print them.
In those cases, you may find it useful to do:
     ./myprog 2>&1 | more
so that both the stderr and stdout messages are going thru
the 'more' process.
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:

> Well, after much searching and reading and trial and error,
> I still cannot get my LAN working.

<much snippage>

Can you send the output of running "ipconfig" on the Win98 box? Also, have
you tried adding a static ARP entry on the Win98 box like so:

open command prompt and type

arp -s 192.168.0.1 MAC_address_of_al0

then try pinging the BSD box.

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Thus spake Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>:
> But that's if the output is going directly to a terminal.
> Consider:
>      ./myprog | more
> 
> The "myprog" process has no way of knowing that the output is
> really going to some terminal, so that process will feel free
> to buffer output for performance reasons.  This usually is
> the right thing to do when output is going thru a pipe to
> another process, but in the above case this decision might
> not be good.

Actualy, for what it's worth in this thread, myprog can determine whether or
not output is going to a termianl by calling isatty() on STDOUT_FILENO.  This
is how ls(1), for instance, determines whether to use single-column or
multi-column output (ls will print multi-column if output is to a terminal
and single-column if it is to a file, but command-line options can change
this behavior, of course).

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Dru wrote:
> 
> Can you send the output of running "ipconfig" on the Win98 box? Also, have
> you tried adding a static ARP entry on the Win98 box like so:
> 
c:\>ipconfig

Windows 98 IP Configuration

0 Ethernet adapter :
	IP Address. . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
	Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
	Default Gateway . . . . . . . :

1 Ethernet adapter :
	IP Address. . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
	Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
	Default Gateway . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

winipcnfg gives
Adaper Address: 00:A0:CC:78:23:95
IP Address: 192.168.0.2


> open command prompt and type
> 
> arp -s 192.168.0.1 MAC_address_of_al0

Using the ff:....:ff from below I get

c:\>arp -s 192.168.0.1 ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
ARP: bad argument: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

Looks like it doesn't like all ff!

Jim


al0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
        inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255
        ether ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
        media: 100baseTX <full-duplex>
        supported media: autoselect 100baseTX <full-duplex> 100baseTX
<half-dupl

> 
> then try pinging the BSD box.
> 
> Dru
> 
> 
> 

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Hi... I was trying to download the freeBSD Unix, but I'm having some trouble.  I followed the
links to the mirror sites, but I don't understnad exactly where to get it.  I really want to learn
unix... Can you please send me the exace url of where I can download it for Windows 98.  I really
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> 1.
>  test (secretly) that PC speaker device is accessible by the user
>  if not privileged, provide instructions for changing permissions
>                  and exit the program
>  if the user is allowed to write to /dev/speaker, continue with test 2
> 
> 2.
>  test for kernel PC speaker support
>  if unsupported, provide instructions for building it into the kernel
>                  and exit the program
>  if supported, run the rest of the program as if nothing had been
>                going on, without mentioning the testing at all
> 
> I can do both of these tests OK, but there might be a better way.
> The second of the two tests is the one that I think I could improve.

Sue, your best bet (as far as I can tell) will probably entail calling a
wrapper program (written in C or possibly Perl) which has the capability
of understanding errno.  A call to open() may fail for multiple reasons,
but by checking errno, you can retrieve the exact reason.

For instance, using C:

	open("/dev/speaker", O_WRONLY);

will fail in both of the above situations, but errno will be set to 6 if
it is because the device is not configured, and 13 if the permissions don't
allow it.  The problem with errno and shell scripts is that errno is a
variable inside the process, and relatively few apps will return the errno
value as the actual program return code.  Going on this basis, you could
write the wrapper as:

	#include <fcntl.h>
	#include <errno.h>

	int main(void)
	{
		int fd, error = 0;

		if ( (fd = open("/dev/speaker", O_WRONLY)) < 0)
			error = errno;
		else
			close(fd);

		return error;
	}

in which case this short program will return 6 as the return code in the
event that the device is not available, and 13 if permissions don't exist,
and 0 if there is no error.

If somebody knows of a way to do this sort of thing with just shell scripts,
I'll be interested in hearing it.  So far, I know of no way.

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Dru wrote:
> > 
> > Can you send the output of running "ipconfig" on the Win98 box? Also, have
> > you tried adding a static ARP entry on the Win98 box like so:
> > 
> c:\>ipconfig
> 
> Windows 98 IP Configuration
> 
> 0 Ethernet adapter :
> 	IP Address. . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> 	Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
> 	Default Gateway . . . . . . . :


Is Ethernet 0 a real (unused) NIC or some type of RAS, VPN, or dialup
stuff?


> 1 Ethernet adapter :
> 	IP Address. . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
> 	Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> 	Default Gateway . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1


> > open command prompt and type
> > arp -s 192.168.0.1 MAC_address_of_al0


Nope, you need the real MAC address of al0. If you don't know it, at the
BSD box type:

dmesg | grep al0

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Dru wrote:
> 
> Is Ethernet 0 a real (unused) NIC or some type of RAS, VPN, or dialup
> stuff?

Dunno. I do have a TCP/IP Dial Up Adapter listed in the Network control
panel.

> 
> 
> > 1 Ethernet adapter :
> > 	IP Address. . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
> > 	Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
> > 	Default Gateway . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
> 
> 
> > > open command prompt and type
> > > arp -s 192.168.0.1 MAC_address_of_al0
> 
> 
> Nope, you need the real MAC address of al0. If you don't know it, at the
> BSD box type:
> 
> dmesg | grep al0
> 
% dmesg | grep al0
al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
al0: promiscuous mode enabled


I wasn't kidding about the ff's. :)

> Dru
> 
> 

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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:48:58AM -0800, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 02:26:20AM -0500, Scott C. Dodson wrote:
> > 
> > redirect_port tcp 123.456.789.012:80 80
> >
> > allow ip from any to any via lo0
> > allow ip from any to any
> > 
> 
> I really don't see a question here, but I assume this is not working?
> Does NAT work properly otherwise? Does your network seem to have good
> connectivity otherwise? Did you restart natd(8) after the
> configuration change?
> -- 

Yes, sorry, my redirect is not working.  Everything is working otherwise.
I had this machine setup like this in the past and it worked fine.  For
the time being I have worked around the problem using the program 
socket and inetd.  This works, but I need to fix this because other
services such as ssh need to be redirected as well.

--
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Dru wrote:
> > 
> > Is Ethernet 0 a real (unused) NIC or some type of RAS, VPN, or dialup
> > stuff?
> 
> Dunno. I do have a TCP/IP Dial Up Adapter listed in the Network control
> panel.


If you don't use it, remove it as it will cause problems. However, you
seem to have a weirder problem on your BSD box as your NIC is using ARP's
broadcast address as it's MAC address (?!?)


> % dmesg | grep al0
> al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> al0: promiscuous mode enabled

Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for and
running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
"tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.

Dru



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actually shakespeare got cowfused because Dr. Johnson didn't show up on the
scene for another 200 years to write the first standardized spelling
documentation, otherwise known as the core components of the dictionary.
(mr. webster gets credit for filling in all the definitions).

-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Sarginson
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On Saturday 02 December 2000 12:06, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> Well the REAL culprit for the spelling and general oddness
> of English is the French !
> English was just trundling along as a highly inflected
> typical germanic language until the Normans invaded
> britain in 1066 and introduced French as the official
> language.
> This confused everybody.
> Even Shakespeare was a bit baffled.
> He is famous for spelling the same word sometimes in
> 3 or 4 different ways on the same page :)
>
> Anyway. It's the only international language we have, so
> you are stuck with it my friends.
>
> I blame it on Mickey Mouse.

I mean it's his fault as well as the French's :)
hasta la vista !

>
> Auf wiederhoren..
>
> Cliff
>
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 05:06:02AM -0500, Peter Lai wrote:
> >  i'd have to agree
> >
> > English is classified as a Germanic languague because that is what
the
> > core is written in :)
> >
> > Then people added more and more words from other languages that were
> > ported over to English. :)
> >
> > Syntatical structure is quite unique, based on the Latin system.
> >
> > Hello ,
> >
> > Unfortunately, the English language predominates the Internet world
> > despite it not being a very good language. Really just a
bastardization
> > of other languages, English doesn't even follow it's own standards.
The
> > only thing going for the English language is its large installed
base --
> > sort of like Microsoft Windows.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >  Y u r i                         mailto:ure@home.com
> >
> >
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:26:05PM -0500, Will Mitayai Keeso Rowe wrote:
>
> isn't that going a little too far, though, to deny mail to places whose
> forward and reverse MX records are mismatched?

Yes, it is goind too far.  But, a few years back, everyone would allow you
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Dru wrote:
> 
> 
> If you don't use it, remove it as it will cause problems. However, you
> seem to have a weirder problem on your BSD box as your NIC is using ARP's
> broadcast address as it's MAC address (?!?)
> 
I removed it and got ethernet 1 data moved to ethernet 0. Still no ping.

> 
> > % dmesg | grep al0
> > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> > al0: promiscuous mode enabled
> 
> Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for
and
> running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
> "tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.
> 
I'm not sure what you mean.
The second NIC has always had ff:ff... as its MAC.

Is there anyway to change that?

> 

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I thought it was over, but then I found this on a web site somewhere:
"...daemon, pronounced demon."  According to Webster's, this is true.
But I always preferred to call it dAmon (long a).

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Erik Rothwell <erothwell@callgtn.com> types:
> What a lot of Americans seem to miss is that American English is a minority=
>  language compared to the vast wealth of nations and peoples who speak prop=
> er Standard English (what Americans like to call British English.)
> 
> Colour, valour, labour are the Standard spellings... similarly, Standard En=
> glish drops its final -rs and such. When you learn to speak English anywher=
> e but America or Canada, you learn with Standard English pronunciation. Cra=
> zily enough, Standard English has many more vowels than American English...=
>  I believe it's 26 or 28 to just 12.
> 
> Furthermore, the -ise / -ize difference comes from word origin: if the word=
>  origin is Latin you use -ise, if it is Greek you use -ize.

My favorite britishism is technic, which in american english is
spelled technique. I quite happily adopted the british spelling of
that one.

	<mike
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:

> > > % dmesg | grep al0
> > > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> > > al0: promiscuous mode enabled
> > 
> > Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for
> and
> > running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
> > "tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.
> > 
> I'm not sure what you mean.
> The second NIC has always had ff:ff... as its MAC.
> 
> Is there anyway to change that?

That's where my knowledge ends as I've never heard of a NIC showing a MAC
address of all ff's. Any one else know what's going on?

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Hi,

I have upgraded from 4.2-rc1 to 4.2-release using a 4.2-release cd,
everything worked fine until I added compatibility for 2.2.x, 3.0, and
3.x binaries. Now when I try to compile anything I get these errors:

compiling mysql:
ranlib .libs/libmysqlclient.a
Bus error - core dumped
*** Error code 138

compiling apache:
ar cr libos.a os.o os-inline.o
ranlib libos.a
*** Signal 10

if I execute ranlib I get this:
# ranlib
Usage: /usr/libexec/elf/ranlib [-vV] archive
/usr/libexec/elf/ranlib: supported targets: elf32-i386 srec symbolsrec
tekhex binary ihex

so what I gather is that it's trying to make an aout binary on my elf
system?

How would I go about fixing this with out fresh reinstall?

I also have this:
# cat /etc/objformat
OBJFORMAT=elf

and everything that was compiled before is working just fine, as well
as any ports packages I install. But I have to do custom config on php
and apache, can't use the port package.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

__
Kris.



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brian william wolter <bwolter@linux.thesadmachine.org> types:
> > will I have to go into the BIOS each time I want to swich OSes and
> > change the boot disk order?
> yes you should be able to do that without a problem... i, however have had
> quite a few problems with the freebsd boot manager and prefer to use lilo
> (the LInux LOader)... but it *should* be able to do it and hopefully you
> will have better luck than i did.

You also *have* to have Windows on the first disk, or Windows won't
boot. This is a Windows problem.

Personally, I use grub (it's in the ports) for such things, as it can
remap drives so that Windows thinks it's on the first drive even when
it isn't.

> as a side note, i wasn't aware you could have scsi and ATA drives in the
> same box... interesting.

I get the impression it's fairly common these days. IDE drives are so
blasted *cheap*, and the real performance issues for one drive have
been fixed. So people throw a big IDE drive into a SCSI system as a
backup device, or MP3 storage, or whatever. I did that until I decided
I needed the IRQ more than I needed the storage.

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I've asked this question on a couple prior occassions, and I
do not think I ever actually received any sort of reply, so,
just a bit frustrated, i'm going to try a final time :)

I'm currently running lots of old software. :) Gnome,
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For little programs like xmms, I'd just pkg_delete and then
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Should I force it to delete the prior version; will the new
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I'm not sure which is best.

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Windows does not seem to like a MAC of all ff's.
Can someone help out here?


On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:

> > > % dmesg | grep al0
> > > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> > > al0: promiscuous mode enabled
> > 
> > Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for
> and
> > running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
> > "tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.
> > 
> I'm not sure what you mean.
> The second NIC has always had ff:ff... as its MAC.
> 
> Is there anyway to change that?

> > That's where my knowledge ends as I've never heard of a NIC showing a
> MAC
> >>address of all ff's. Any one else know what's going on?


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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 05:05:12PM +0000, John Murphy wrote:
> In the FreeBSD Security How-To at:
> http://people.freebsd.org/~jkb/howto.html#bpf
> it says 'By default FreeBSD's kernel does not support BPF.'
> 
> and yet in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC there is a line:
> pseudo-device bpf       #Berkeley packet filter
> 
> Is the default kernel generated from something other than GENERIC,
> or is bpf disabled in some way by default?

As others have pointed out, BPF is in fact in the default kernel. The
webpage is outdated.

Before the thread inevitably gets started, the reason it was enabled
by default is that after much flamage, fist fights, and at the cost of
dozens lives, it was decided that the security risk to the new user
was outweighed by the fact DHCP needs BPF to work. With the increasing
popularity of DHCP, BPF was added to GENERIC so it could do DHCP.
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Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> Anyway. It's the only international language we have, so
> you are stuck with it my friends.

No, it isn't. I'm not sure what the current status of Russian is in
the former warsaw pact countries, but it used to occupy the same
position as English in them.

Chinese would be a better choice - there are more chinese speakers
than any other language in the world. English is the most popular
language in the world as a second (or maybe it's third) language.

Of course, none of those three are really international
languages. They are national languages that dominate some fields
because of the dominance - either political or just in the field - of
some country that speaks them. German and Latin both used to be in
that position, but have fallen out of favor.

There are true international languages, but they don't have enough
acceptance to be worth doing translations for. Of course, once one is
done, you'd have a major in with the people who have bothered to learn
them. Anyone want to start a translation project for either Loglan or
Esperanto?

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After searching the web, I see that its not too much problem to set this
up. But it looks like you can only have (once the computer boots up) the
console session on either the keyboard or on the serial port, but not
both. Is it possible to do both? Is there some other external program that
provides this function?

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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:51:06PM -0500, Dru wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Dru wrote:
> > > 
> > > Is Ethernet 0 a real (unused) NIC or some type of RAS, VPN, or dialup
> > > stuff?
> > 
> > Dunno. I do have a TCP/IP Dial Up Adapter listed in the Network control
> > panel.
> 
> 
> If you don't use it, remove it as it will cause problems. However, you
> seem to have a weirder problem on your BSD box as your NIC is using ARP's
> broadcast address as it's MAC address (?!?)
> 
> 
> > % dmesg | grep al0
> > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> > al0: promiscuous mode enabled
> 
> Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for and
> running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
> "tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.

I told you this MAC was a problem last week, Jim. Did you ever try to
contact the author of the al(4) driver like I suggested?
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 07:12:22PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote:
> > 	/* to_us and from_us are pipes to and from our process,
> > 		0th element is read end, 1st - write end.
> > 	sd is connected socket.
> > 	*/
> > 	close (from_us[0]);
> > 	close (to_us[1]);
> > 	dup_sock = dup (sd);
> > 	dup_out = dup (from_us[1]);
> > 	dup_in = dup (to_us[0]);
> > 	dup2 (dup_in, 0);
> > 	dup2 (dup_out, 1);
> > 	dup2 (dup_sock, 2);
> > 	/* Child won't need anything except fds 0-2 */
> > 	for (i = 3; i < file_descriptors_table_size; i ++)
> > 		close (i);
> Gut reaction.. The very first thing you should do is to comment out the closes
> above and then test it. They are not functionally needed, and complicate the 
> issue.

	Removing close calls doesn't affect the issue - the pipe gets broken
on last dup2 call. Of course removing close calls was the first thing I did.

> I will look at it further when I get time.. and respond if I have anything 
> useful...
	Okay.
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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:44:07PM -0500, Scott C. Dodson wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:48:58AM -0800, Crist J . Clark wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 02:26:20AM -0500, Scott C. Dodson wrote:
> > > 
> > > redirect_port tcp 123.456.789.012:80 80
> > >
> > > allow ip from any to any via lo0
> > > allow ip from any to any
> > > 
> > 
> > I really don't see a question here, but I assume this is not working?
> > Does NAT work properly otherwise? Does your network seem to have good
> > connectivity otherwise? Did you restart natd(8) after the
> > configuration change?
> > -- 
> 
> Yes, sorry, my redirect is not working.  Everything is working otherwise.
> I had this machine setup like this in the past and it worked fine.  For
> the time being I have worked around the problem using the program 
> socket and inetd.  This works, but I need to fix this because other
> services such as ssh need to be redirected as well.

OK. Just to be sure,

  redirect_port tcp 123.456.789.012:80 80
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is the internal address you want to redirect to. Could you post
your /etc/natd.conf to the list. Fresh eyes catch silly typos and the
like a surprising amount of the time.

Can you run 'tcpdump -ni <if> port 80' on both interfaces
simulataneously while trying to reach the WWW port from the outside?
See where packets are and aren't getting.
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Hi Crist:

Yes, you spotted the fishy MAC right away.
I just recently contacted the driver author.

The card works on a PC, but I did not get the mac. I will try that.
They should be the same, no?

Jim

On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote:

> I told you this MAC was a problem last week, Jim. Did you ever try to
> contact the author of the al(4) driver like I suggested?
> -- 
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 this is a "britishism" because they use "ae" from the latin...
as in:

haemotology vs. hematology
daemon vs. demon

again, greek derivations use the 'e' only.

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I thought it was over, but then I found this on a web site somewhere:
"...daemon, pronounced demon."  According to Webster's, this is true.
But I always preferred to call it dAmon (long a).

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 well with all of us being geeks, i'm sure we could elicit the help of Dr.
Noam Chomsky from MIT and help build a new international langauge that
follow precise rules (e.g. that of a computer language) in syntax and
structures. Something that makes sense to the brain.

French is all neat and good, but way too many things in it that break the
rules and there is a lot of redundancy.

Chinese seems to be very very well suited for efficiency, but it's written
part is to say the least, a major obstacle, even to the point of stifling
creativity (the people, having to memorize the language, aren't trained to
reason out, per se, why some is. To them, it just is.).
Some of its benefits include minimal redundancy (if the context you are in
definately signifies plural, why attache plural suffixes to the words?
similarly, there is no gender differentiation for each object). There are
also the large usage of "homonyms" with `inflectionary' differences, which
determine the meaning. For example, the same movement of the mouth and
tongue are used to pronounce "dead" and "crap" in mandarin, but they sound
differently and mean different things. Furthermore, most definition clues
are detected in the context stream, and not based on a word-by-word
analysis.

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Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
> Anyway. It's the only international language we have, so
> you are stuck with it my friends.

No, it isn't. I'm not sure what the current status of Russian is in
the former warsaw pact countries, but it used to occupy the same
position as English in them.

Chinese would be a better choice - there are more chinese speakers
than any other language in the world. English is the most popular
language in the world as a second (or maybe it's third) language.

Of course, none of those three are really international
languages. They are national languages that dominate some fields
because of the dominance - either political or just in the field - of
some country that speaks them. German and Latin both used to be in
that position, but have fallen out of favor.

There are true international languages, but they don't have enough
acceptance to be worth doing translations for. Of course, once one is
done, you'd have a major in with the people who have bothered to learn
them. Anyone want to start a translation project for either Loglan or
Esperanto?

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verter@mail.ru types:
> Hi,
> 
> Would you please advise who can answer questions on the UFS
> structure? Or provide link/site, if any, providing that?
> 
> I'm writing in the name of the Russian hosting company "Majordomo.Ru".
> Our server was hacked a week ago - and all information was destroyed
> (we presume rm -rf command was used).
> Using software like diskedit we can dig for some
> information (backup, as you might realize, is just a dream and plans to
> be implemented next week). So, we searched for the info on detailed
> UFS structure - and didn't find anything but general descriptions and
> rather vague tables. So, we are trying to restore some importane files
> and, if possible, out database. As we think exact info on the UFS
> would be of primary importance in this case.

The reason things are vague is because they are changing. If you want
detailed information about what you were running, look in the source
tree. The include files are particularly usefull.

This is a *very* delicate thing to want to do. If what's on the disks
is really valuable, and you didn't have backups, you might consider
contacting some of the people on the consultants list to see if any of
them have done this kind of thing before, then pay them to do it for
you.

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At 3:26 PM -0500 12/2/00, Ryan Younce wrote:
>Thus spake Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>:
>>  But that's if the output is going directly to a terminal.
>>  Consider:
>>       ./myprog | more
>>
>>  The "myprog" process has no way of knowing that the output is
>>  really going to some terminal, so that process will feel free
>>  to buffer output for performance reasons.  This usually is
>>  the right thing to do when output is going thru a pipe to
>>  another process, but in the above case this decision might
>>  not be good.
>
>Actualy, for what it's worth in this thread, myprog can determine
>whether or not output is going to a termianl by calling isatty()
>on STDOUT_FILENO.  This is how ls(1), for instance, determines
>whether to use single-column or multi-column output (ls will print
>multi-column if output is to a terminal and single-column if it
>is to a file, but command-line options can change this behavior,
>of course).

I tried 'ls'
vs      'ls | more'

and ls still treated the second case as "not a tty".  This is
understandable, as stdout to 'ls' is not a tty, it is the stdin
for 'more'.

I am not sure if that has any bearing on what you meant to say,
but given the context some people might think that you meant
that './myprog' could possibly fix the buffering problem by
calling isatty().  It can not.  That 'more' could just as
easily be a 'grep', which means some lines might go to stdout,
and other lines would not.  Once lines enter a pipe, there is
no way for the initial process to know whether those lines are
"really going to wind up" on the terminal.

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Thus spake Garance A Drosihn <drosih@rpi.edu>:
> I tried 'ls'
> vs      'ls | more'
> 
> and ls still treated the second case as "not a tty".  This is
> understandable, as stdout to 'ls' is not a tty, it is the stdin
> for 'more'.

Right.  Pipes are not considered terminals, they are considered files.
isatty() will return false if the descriptor is a file.

> I am not sure if that has any bearing on what you meant to say,
> but given the context some people might think that you meant
> that './myprog' could possibly fix the buffering problem by
> calling isatty().  It can not.  That 'more' could just as
> easily be a 'grep', which means some lines might go to stdout,
> and other lines would not.  Once lines enter a pipe, there is
> no way for the initial process to know whether those lines are
> "really going to wind up" on the terminal.

That wasn't my meaning at all.  isatty() has nothing to do with setbuf().
As far as "ls | grep ...", STDOUT_FILENO within ls will still be considered
a file, that is, not a terminal, regardless of what grep does with it's
output.  My original meaning was that it was very possible for the original
process to determine whether its output was going to a file, or to a terminal.

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Peter Lai <PeterL@resnet.uconn.edu> types:
>  well with all of us being geeks, i'm sure we could elicit the help of Dr.
> Noam Chomsky from MIT and help build a new international langauge that
> follow precise rules (e.g. that of a computer language) in syntax and
> structures. Something that makes sense to the brain.

Well, that's been done at least once already - that's what Loglan
is. I vaguely recall hearing about a second such language, but never
chased it down.

> Some of its benefits include minimal redundancy (if the context you are in
> definately signifies plural, why attache plural suffixes to the words?

You *don't* want minimal redundancy in a spoken (or written)
language. That's the error detection/correction mechanism of those
systems. Repeating the plurality information multiple times makes it
more likely that it'll get there. If you don't thinks this is true, I
assume your computers all ignore the checksum on network packets :-).

In this case, you *have* to have a plurality indicator for those cases
when the plurality isn't in the context. You then have a case where
the plural version is correct - or not - depending on whether you
think the context "definitely signifies plural", which is the kind of
inconsistency that people complaining about to start with!

Of course, making *logical* assumptions about what is and isn't usable
redundancy is a value call. German provides gender information for
nearly everything. English provides it for things that have
gender. You seem to be advocating not providing it at all. Esperanto
provides a suffix to the object of a sentence, which seems silly to me
(as a native English speaker) but logical to the person who designed
it.

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On Saturday 02 December 2000 22:08, Jim Freeze wrote:
> Windows does not seem to like a MAC of all ff's.
> Can someone help out here?
>
> On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > > > % dmesg | grep al0
> > > > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > > > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> > > > al0: promiscuous mode enabled
> > >
> > > Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for
> >
> > and
> >
> > > running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
> > > "tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean.
> > The second NIC has always had ff:ff... as its MAC.
> >
> > Is there anyway to change that?
> >
> > > That's where my knowledge ends as I've never heard of a NIC showing a
> >
> > MAC
> >
> > >>address of all ff's. Any one else know what's going on?
>
> Jim
>
I HAVE seen this before.
On a dual boot PC (Linux/Windows98).
It has two NICS.
Scenario:
  Boot windows 98 ...
  "Soft" reboot from 98 to Linux (point is PC is NOT powered off)
  Both NICS Have "FFF..." as MAC.
  NIC drivers complain like billio about too many interrupts etc ..

A hard reboot (i.e. with poweroff) and problem is no problem.
Tested in all combinations of scenarios.
Conclusion: Windows 98 is leaving NICs in this state, that a soft reboot
does not fix.
{Presumable Windows 98 on exit does not clean up after itself .. god knows..

Hope this helps

Cliff

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Thanks, but each machine is a dedicated machine.

I did pull the NIC from FBSD and put it in W98 to check to MAC.

It does have a valid MAC.

I then put it back in the FBSD box and did the following on W98

arp -s 192.168.0.1 ff-ff-ff-ff-ff-ff

(They are separated by '-' on the pc. duh)

Then tried to ping the FBSD box. No luck.

Also tried

arp -s 192.168.0.1 mac-address-read-from-pc

and tried the ping. Still no luck.

I think, unless someone else has a suggestion, that I am at the end of
my rope and have run out of spare cord.


Does anyone else have a simple gateway/LAN setup. And if so, what is the
MAC on the inside NIC?

Also, my current path is a dead end, then I only see hope by getting a new
NIC. Can anyone suggest a inexpensive NIC? I don't won't to spend $100 for
a 3COM.

Thanks

Jim


On Sat, 2
Dec 2000, Cliff
Sarginson wrote:

> On Saturday 02 December 2000 22:08, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > Windows does not seem to like a MAC of all ff's.
> > Can someone help out here?
> >
> > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jim Freeze wrote:
> > > > > % dmesg | grep al0
> > > > > al0: <ADMtek AN985 10/100BaseTX> rev 0x11 int a irq 5 on pci0.11.0
> > > > > al0: Ethernet address: ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> > > > > al0: autoneg complete, link status good (full-duplex, 100Mbps)
> > > > > al0: promiscuous mode enabled
> > > >
> > > > Having never seen this before, are both NICs on your LAN set for
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > > running at full-duplex? Does "dmesg" make a difference if you stop your
> > > > "tcpdump", as I think that's why the NIC is showing in promiscous mode.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you mean.
> > > The second NIC has always had ff:ff... as its MAC.
> > >
> > > Is there anyway to change that?
> > >
> > > > That's where my knowledge ends as I've never heard of a NIC showing a
> > >
> > > MAC
> > >
> > > >>address of all ff's. Any one else know what's going on?
> >
> > Jim
> >
> I HAVE seen this before.
> On a dual boot PC (Linux/Windows98).
> It has two NICS.
> Scenario:
>   Boot windows 98 ...
>   "Soft" reboot from 98 to Linux (point is PC is NOT powered off)
>   Both NICS Have "FFF..." as MAC.
>   NIC drivers complain like billio about too many interrupts etc ..
> 
> A hard reboot (i.e. with poweroff) and problem is no problem.
> Tested in all combinations of scenarios.
> Conclusion: Windows 98 is leaving NICs in this state, that a soft reboot
> does not fix.
> {Presumable Windows 98 on exit does not clean up after itself .. god knows..
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Cliff
> 
> >
> >
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Hello,

    I have installed FreeBSD 4.2 (via ftp install) and I'm trying to
build a new Kernel. For some reason when
"make depend" gets to about 3/4 of the way finished, the system locks
up. I have no idea why this is happening.
I have attached the Kernel configuration file to this e-mail in hope
that the issue can be solved. Thank you in
advance for your help.

    By the way, I am compiling a new Kernel in order to take advantage
of my dual celeron system.


Chris Parman

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#
# GENERIC -- Generic kernel configuration file for FreeBSD/i386
#
# For more information on this file, please read the handbook section on
# Kernel Configuration Files:
#
#    http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html
#
# The handbook is also available locally in /usr/share/doc/handbook
# if you've installed the doc distribution, otherwise always see the
# FreeBSD World Wide Web server (http://www.FreeBSD.org/) for the
# latest information.
#
# An exhaustive list of options and more detailed explanations of the
# device lines is also present in the ./LINT configuration file. If you are
# in doubt as to the purpose or necessity of a line, check first in LINT.
#
# $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.246.2.20 2000/10/31 23:16:07 n_hibma Exp $

machine		i386
cpu		I386_CPU
cpu		I486_CPU
cpu		I586_CPU
cpu		I686_CPU
ident		GENERIC
maxusers	32

#makeoptions	DEBUG=-g		#Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols

options 	MATH_EMULATE		#Support for x87 emulation
options 	INET			#InterNETworking
options 	INET6			#IPv6 communications protocols
options 	FFS			#Berkeley Fast Filesystem
options 	FFS_ROOT		#FFS usable as root device [keep this!]
options 	SOFTUPDATES		#Enable FFS soft updates support
options 	MFS			#Memory Filesystem
options 	MD_ROOT			#MD is a potential root device
options 	NFS			#Network Filesystem
options 	NFS_ROOT		#NFS usable as root device, NFS required
options 	MSDOSFS			#MSDOS Filesystem
options 	CD9660			#ISO 9660 Filesystem
options 	CD9660_ROOT		#CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required
options 	PROCFS			#Process filesystem
options 	COMPAT_43		#Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!]
options 	SCSI_DELAY=15000	#Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI
options 	UCONSOLE		#Allow users to grab the console
options 	USERCONFIG		#boot -c editor
options 	VISUAL_USERCONFIG	#visual boot -c editor
options 	KTRACE			#ktrace(1) support
options 	SYSVSHM			#SYSV-style shared memory
options 	SYSVMSG			#SYSV-style message queues
options 	SYSVSEM			#SYSV-style semaphores
options 	P1003_1B		#Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions
options 	_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING
options		ICMP_BANDLIM		#Rate limit bad replies
options 	KBD_INSTALL_CDEV	# install a CDEV entry in /dev

# To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed
options 	SMP			# Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel
options 	APIC_IO			# Symmetric (APIC) I/O

device		isa
device		eisa
device		pci

# Floppy drives
device		fdc0	at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2
device		fd0	at fdc0 drive 0
device		fd1	at fdc0 drive 1

# ATA and ATAPI devices
device		ata0	at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14
device		ata1	at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15
device		ata
device		atadisk			# ATA disk drives
device		atapicd			# ATAPI CDROM drives
device		atapifd			# ATAPI floppy drives
device		atapist			# ATAPI tape drives
options 	ATA_STATIC_ID		#Static device numbering
#options 	ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA	#Enable DMA on ATAPI devices

# SCSI Controllers
device		ahb		# EISA AHA1742 family
device		ahc		# AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices
device		amd		# AMD 53C974 (Teckram DC-390(T))
device		isp		# Qlogic family
device		ncr		# NCR/Symbios Logic
device		sym		# NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets)
options		SYM_SETUP_LP_PROBE_MAP=0x40
				# Allow ncr to attach legacy NCR devices when 
				# both sym and ncr are configured

device		adv0	at isa?
device		adw
device		bt0	at isa?
device		aha0	at isa?
device		aic0	at isa?

device		ncv		# NCR 53C500
device		nsp		# Workbit Ninja SCSI-3
device		stg		# TMC 18C30/18C50

# SCSI peripherals
device		scbus		# SCSI bus (required)
device		da		# Direct Access (disks)
device		sa		# Sequential Access (tape etc)
device		cd		# CD
device		pass		# Passthrough device (direct SCSI access)

# RAID controllers interfaced to the SCSI subsystem
device		asr		# DPT SmartRAID V, VI and Adaptec SCSI RAID
device		dpt		# DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options!
device		mly		# Mylex AcceleRAID/eXtremeRAID

# RAID controllers
device		ida		# Compaq Smart RAID
device		amr		# AMI MegaRAID
device		mlx		# Mylex DAC960 family
device		twe		# 3ware Escalade

# atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse
device		atkbdc0	at isa? port IO_KBD
device		atkbd0	at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1
device		psm0	at atkbdc? irq 12

device		vga0	at isa?

# splash screen/screen saver
pseudo-device	splash

# syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console
device		sc0	at isa? flags 0x100

# Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver
#device		vt0	at isa?
#options 	XSERVER			# support for X server on a vt console
#options 	FAT_CURSOR		# start with block cursor
# If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines
#options 	PCVT_SCANSET=2		# IBM keyboards are non-std

# Floating point support - do not disable.
device		npx0	at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13

# Power management support (see LINT for more options)
device		apm0    at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management

# PCCARD (PCMCIA) support
device		card
device		pcic0	at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000
device		pcic1	at isa? irq 0 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable

# Serial (COM) ports
device		sio0	at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4
device		sio1	at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3
device		sio2	at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5
device		sio3	at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9

# Parallel port
device		ppc0	at isa? irq 7
device		ppbus		# Parallel port bus (required)
device		lpt		# Printer
device		plip		# TCP/IP over parallel
device		ppi		# Parallel port interface device
#device		vpo		# Requires scbus and da


# PCI Ethernet NICs.
device		de		# DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'')
device		fxp		# Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558)
device		tx		# SMC 9432TX (83c170 ``EPIC'')
device		vx		# 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'')
device		wx		# Intel Gigabit Ethernet Card (``Wiseman'')

# PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code.
# NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs!
device		miibus		# MII bus support
device		dc		# DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes
device		pcn		# AMD Am79C79x PCI 10/100 NICs
device		rl		# RealTek 8129/8139
device		sf		# Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'')
device		sis		# Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016
device		ste		# Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX)
device		tl		# Texas Instruments ThunderLAN
device		vr		# VIA Rhine, Rhine II
device		wb		# Winbond W89C840F
device		xl		# 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'')

# ISA Ethernet NICs.
device		ed0	at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 iomem 0xd8000
device		ex
device		ep
device		fe0	at isa? port 0x300
# WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the WaveLAN/IEEE really
# exists only as a PCMCIA device, so there is no ISA attatement needed
# and resources will always be dynamically assigned by the pccard code.
device		wi
# Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the declaration below will
# work for PCMCIA and PCI cards, as well as ISA cards set to ISA PnP
# mode (the factory default). If you set the switches on your ISA
# card for a manually chosen I/O address and IRQ, you must specify
# those paremeters here.
device		an
# Xircom Ethernet
device		xe
# The probe order of these is presently determined by i386/isa/isa_compat.c.
device		ie0	at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 iomem 0xd0000
#device		le0	at isa? port 0x300 irq 5 iomem 0xd0000
device		lnc0	at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 drq 0
device		cs0	at isa? port 0x300
device		sn0	at isa? port 0x300 irq 10

# Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated.
pseudo-device	loop		# Network loopback
pseudo-device	ether		# Ethernet support
pseudo-device	sl	1	# Kernel SLIP
pseudo-device	ppp	1	# Kernel PPP
pseudo-device	tun		# Packet tunnel.
pseudo-device	pty		# Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc)
pseudo-device	md		# Memory "disks"
pseudo-device	gif	4	# IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling
pseudo-device	faith	1	# IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation)

# The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter.
# Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this!
pseudo-device	bpf		#Berkeley packet filter

# USB support
device		uhci		# UHCI PCI->USB interface
device		ohci		# OHCI PCI->USB interface
device		usb		# USB Bus (required)
device		ugen		# Generic
device		uhid		# "Human Interface Devices"
device		ukbd		# Keyboard
device		ulpt		# Printer
device		umass		# Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da
device		ums		# Mouse
device		uscanner	# Scanners
# USB Ethernet, requires mii
device		aue		# ADMtek USB ethernet
device		cue		# CATC USB ethernet
device		kue		# Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet

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did you comment out EVERYTHING that you DON'T have or need? I see a lot of
devices in there that might cause a conflict (specifically the network
cards). make dep is really sensitive to what you put in. Today, make dep was
failing because i commented out the miibus driver while leaving in the USB
drivers, and it choked... 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Parman
To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
Sent: 12/2/2000 5:43 PM
Subject: Kernel "make depend" fails

Hello,

    I have installed FreeBSD 4.2 (via ftp install) and I'm trying to
build a new Kernel. For some reason when
"make depend" gets to about 3/4 of the way finished, the system locks
up. I have no idea why this is happening.
I have attached the Kernel configuration file to this e-mail in hope
that the issue can be solved. Thank you in
advance for your help.

    By the way, I am compiling a new Kernel in order to take advantage
of my dual celeron system.


Chris Parman
 <<KERNEL_SMP_20001201>> 


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Hi Alex --

There may be a more elegant way, but I do this by adding a shell
script to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/.  I'm lazy, so I just made one script
called webservices.sh, which contains startup info for my compiled
versions of squid, apache, and MySQL.  Anything in that directory is
run at bootup.

Hope this helps -d

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Alex O.Belkin wrote:

>Hello, my name is Alex, I am from Moscow.
> I need your help. I want to start my Squid 
>(path:/usr/local/squid/bin/squid) in boot time, 
>can you send me rc.conf.local example that will do this?
>
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Ixokai <ixokai@cerebralmaelstrom.com> types:
> I've asked this question on a couple prior occassions, and I
> do not think I ever actually received any sort of reply, so,
> just a bit frustrated, i'm going to try a final time :)

Well, it comes up pretty regularly, you could try searching the
archives.

> I'm currently running lots of old software. :) Gnome,
> Sawfish, Postfix, and just about everything else I have
> installed :) What's the best way to upgrade these things?

Install the latest version of -stable on a fresh disk, then install
all the packages you had installed before. Or did you mean something
other than "get the best installation" by "best way to upgrade"?

> For little programs like xmms, I'd just pkg_delete and then
> go into the ports tree and make clean install again... no
> biggie. But for big things, with lots of dependencies --
> say, Gnome, for instance, it gives errors about every
> program currently installed, blah blah.
> 
> Should I force it to delete the prior version; will the new
> version work with these programs, and will they be able to
> link into it, or should I just install the new one _over_
> the old one?
> 
> I'm not sure which is best.

You should *never* install a new port over an old one. You wind up
with both parts in the tree. Deleting either port probably breaks the
other one, but deleting them both is the only way to insure you've
deleted all the files.

Forcing a delete and then installing a new one may work. Or it may not
- it depends on the ports in question.

You might check out the -c option of the pkg_version command.

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> NIC. Can anyone suggest a inexpensive NIC? I don't won't to
> spend $100 for
> a 3COM.

Netgear FA310TX or Linksys LNE100TX.  Never had any problems with
either in my FreeBSD or Windows boxes.  Using one of each in my
FreeBSD box right now.  If you look around on the net, you should be
able to get both for under twenty dollars.

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Jason W wrote:

>After searching the web, I see that its not too much problem to set this
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If you have a moment, could you please point me to the info you found
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Chris Byrnes wrote:
> 
> nessun           qk       nas-75-66.indy-t Thu05PM 1day  -
> 
> That person hasnt been actually logged in for over a day.
> 
> I know you can telnet localhost a bunch of times to grab and use
> the tty the ghost in "w" is on, but with such a high one like
> "qk", it would take awhile.
> 
> Is there an easier way to get rid of a ghosted login in "w"?

Sure.  Compile (with libutil, using `gcc -o logout logout.c -lutil`)
and run (`./logout ttyqk`) the attached program.  It uses the
logout(3) function to clear the utmp entry for the specified tty.

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#include <sys/types.h>
#include <err.h>
#include <libutil.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{

	if (argc < 2)
	{
		printf("Usage: %s <tty>\n", argv[0]);
		return (1);
	}

	if (logout(argv[1]) != 1)
		err(1, "logout");
	else
		printf("utmp entry for %s has been cleared\n", argv[1]);

	return (0);
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First of all, FreeBSD is an operating system...not an application that
runs on (gasp) Winblows 98.

Read the handbook links found at http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html.

On Dec 2, Thomas Ripley enlightened us with the following:

> Hi... I was trying to download the freeBSD Unix, but I'm having some trouble.  I followed the
> links to the mirror sites, but I don't understnad exactly where to get it.  I really want to learn
> unix... Can you please send me the exace url of where I can download it for Windows 98.  I really
> do appreciate you time... Thank You!
> 
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http://www.gelatinous.com/aaron/tips/freebsd-serial-console
and a little bit better (more info)
http://page.novgorod.ru/freebsd/handbook/x12104.html

regards,
Jason


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On Saturday 02 December 2000 20:14, xavian anderson macpherson wrote:
> as you'll find out, i like to mentally antagonize people with pointed
> questions or remarks to get a response from them. 

What people have found out is that you are an egocentric, irrational and
generally unpleasant human being.

I suggest in the future you deposit the first 99% of what you are about to 
say, the verbal diarrhoea part into the nearest sick bucket. 
Then ask your questions in the normal civilised manner most people employ on 
newsgroups.

You have yet to make many friends here.
try being normal, just as an experiment.

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Please put a subject on messages!

It does, but there are a few laptops that have problems of varying
severity. Most typical is with built-in modems. They are typically
Winmodems and won't work with FreeBSD. Another common trouble spot is
sound, although they can usually be gotten up with enough trial and
error.

APM can fail on certain systems, too.

The biggest problem is with the new IBM laptops (T, A, and X series)
All 21s and later 20s will lock up solid when a FreeBSD partition is
present. This is a BIOS problem and only recoverable by removing the
offending drive and re-labeling the partition on another system.

My IBM 600E runs great with FreeBSD and I have no APM, sound or other
problems. Sound required a small patch to get working reliably. Other
then that, it's fine.

For lots of good information on laptops, subscribe to freebsd-mobile.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634

> From: "Reinaldo Rios" <reinaldo_rios@hotmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:28:29 -0500
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> Does FreeBSD run on laptop computers?
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might want to just look into big brother (http://bb4.com) or netsaint
(http://www.netsaint.org) they do pretty much what you're already looking
for and a bit more depending how much you customize them.

- Dan

On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Gustavo Vieira Goncalves Coelho Rios wrote:

> Hi folks!
> 
> I now this questions does not belong to freebsd, but since i run it,
> this list is the closer i get to have my doubt kicked!
> 
> I am planning a web based system to help monitor my boxes! Since it will
> be designed to be used by web browsers i would have to install a web
> server on every box i would like to set. THAT'S NOT AN OPTION.
> 
> My ideia is to write a single tools that will listen to an arbitrary
> port and will accept http requests and write the output to the user
> browser.
> 
> Since i will have to known how a form is passed to the web server to
> have my small utility written. My questions is: what are the source of
> documentation should i seek for ? RFCs ? A kick ass book on UNIX Network
> Programming? What you gurus suggest me ?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your time and cooperation.
> 
> best regards,
> Gustavo Rios.
> 
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> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 09:40:38 +0800
> From: Spades <spades@galaxynet.org>
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> 
> I installed a 30G hard drive and cvsup'd to 4.2-Stable
> When i do top , i get this below
> 
> $ top
> top: nlist failed

As other have reported, userland and the kernel are out of sync. See
/usr/src/UPDATING for details on this. Loosely:
make buildworld
make buildkernel KERNEL=your_kernel_name
make installkernel KERNEL=yourkernel_name
make installworld
mergemaster

The final two items should be done in single user mode followed by a
reboot.  And always check the UPDATING file for other possible
steps/gotchas any time you cvsup.

> My partitions are:
> /	9G
> /home	6G
> /home1	5G
> /usr	2G
> /var	1G
> swap	512M

This is very odd! / is usually 50-100 MB. 9GB is MUCH bigger than is
needed. I'd use that about 2 GB of that space to expand /usr, although
2G is probably adequate, it can fade fast if you build many ports. I'd
put some in my /home and /home1 partitions, too. But this has nothing
to do with the nlist error you are seeing.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
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Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
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>My aim here with the isdn configuration is to get my isdn gateway at
>home to connect to my ISP (BT Internet). The machine is a dual
>celeron. It is currently running FreeBSD 4.1.1. 

> Kernel
> -----------
> options         IPFIREWALL
> options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE
> options         IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100
> options         IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT
> options         IPDIVERT
> 
> pseudo-device   sppp
> options         TEL_S0_16_3
> device          isic0   at isa? port 0xd80 irq5 flags 3
> pseudo-device   "i4bq921"
> pseudo-device   "i4bq931"
> pseudo-device   "i4b"
> pseudo-device   "i4btrc"        1
> pseudo-device   "i4bctl"
> pseudo-device   "i4brbch"       1
> pseudo-device   "i4bipr"        1
> pseudo-device   "i4bisppp"

> # I'm using the 0.90 drivers. I tested the 0.95 drivers, but reverted to those
> # coming with FreeBSD 4.x

-- MUCH OF EIRIK'S POST SNIPPED --

I've adjusted my goals. I just want to get a machine running FreeBSD
4.1.1 to connect to my ISP and be able to ping a machine in the
outside world.

I have followed the i4b instructions as best I can, and at boot time
my machine configures a device called i4b, but doesn't do much more. I
can't see if it's dialing or not. Where do I look for this? How can I
force it to dial my ISP and watch the results? Do I have to setup any
normal PPP stuff to get this working? If so, what?

I'm really at a loss. My kernel has ISDN stuff compiled in as per the
above post. It is probably worth mentioning that the machine is a dual
celeron with a SMP kernel running.

Thanks, again :)

-Wayne-
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I am currently broadcasting all network traffic to a port on my switch so
i can see all the traffic. While SNMPD is a wonderful program its not
realistic for us to install it on all the computers. Is there a program
which will sample the network conditions and/or traffic and create graphs
of the bandwidth usage based on the ips on the network that it can see?



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Hi. I installed the ncplib package and everything seems
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Not sure about Network Traffic but I use HEALTHD to monitor the cpu and use
MRTG to create the graphs for it. They are in the ports.
Maybe someone will post what to use to monitor Network Traffic so you can
incorporate that with MRTG.
David

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>
> I am currently broadcasting all network traffic to a port on my switch so
> i can see all the traffic. While SNMPD is a wonderful program its not
> realistic for us to install it on all the computers. Is there a program
> which will sample the network conditions and/or traffic and create graphs
> of the bandwidth usage based on the ips on the network that it can see?
>
>
>
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Yes. :-)


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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Luke Eckley wrote:

> I notice that the FreeBSD site talks about the AMD
> K-6, but I could find no information on the Athlon or
> Thunderbird.  Is the Athlon/Thunderbird supported?  If
> so, were can I find some info on them.
> 
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Peter Lai wrote:

> did you comment out EVERYTHING that you DON'T have or need? I see a lot of
> devices in there that might cause a conflict (specifically the network
> cards). make dep is really sensitive to what you put in. Today, make dep was
> failing because i commented out the miibus driver while leaving in the USB
> drivers, and it choked...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Parman
> To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org
> Sent: 12/2/2000 5:43 PM
> Subject: Kernel "make depend" fails
>
> Hello,
>
>     I have installed FreeBSD 4.2 (via ftp install) and I'm trying to
> build a new Kernel. For some reason when
> "make depend" gets to about 3/4 of the way finished, the system locks
> up. I have no idea why this is happening.
> I have attached the Kernel configuration file to this e-mail in hope
> that the issue can be solved. Thank you in
> advance for your help.
>
>     By the way, I am compiling a new Kernel in order to take advantage
> of my dual celeron system.
>
> Chris Parman
>  <<KERNEL_SMP_20001201>>

Hello Peter,

    I have more problems. When I try to compile any ports (for example ssh2)
the system will freeze up. Also, I'm using
a UDMA66 HD connected to the UDMA66 IDE port. Perhaps this is causing a problem
?


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On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:07:30PM -0600, Christopher Farley wrote:
> 
> I think that mailwrapper exists for one purpose: so that you don't
> need to modify anything in /usr, and so that Postfix/qmail/whatever
> can go in /usr/local. If this is the case, it sounds like a good
> idea, but it is a shame that only FreeBSD implements it, and it is
> not mentioned in any standard UNIX documentation, the Handbook,
> the Complete FreeBSD, etc.

That is pretty much the idea, but the other *BSDs also seem to have it 
so FreeBSD is not exactly the only system that has it.
Mentioning somewhere that it exists probably is a good idea but if you
install stuff vis the prots mechanism the Makefile there should handle
things correctly. Both the qmail and postfix ports appear to be aware of
mailwrapper.

-- 
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On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 01:50:27PM +0800, James Lim wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
>         You could prevent make world from making ur sendmail files in
> /etc/defaults/make.conf

You really should not be touching anything in /etc/defaults/make.conf, but
making all your local changes to /etc/make.conf instead...

My $.02

- giorgos


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Dauren Tatubaev wrote:
> 
> how can I get e-mail account  _____@FreeBSD.org

	They are given to developers who are also committers. They are not
given out for vanity purposes. 

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Kelly Hendrix wrote:

> 
> > NIC. Can anyone suggest a inexpensive NIC? I don't won't to
> > spend $100 for
> > a 3COM.
> 
> Netgear FA310TX or Linksys LNE100TX.  Never had any problems with
> either in my FreeBSD or Windows boxes.  Using one of each in my
> FreeBSD box right now.  If you look around on the net, you should be
> able to get both for under twenty dollars.
> 
Just my luck. I bought a Netgear FA311 but it didn't work. They changed
the chipset! I had the compatibility list with me while at the store, but
CompUSA no longer sold the FA310. Just the FA311 and FA312.


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Ismail YENIGUL wrote:
> 
> hii
> i write an qmail log analyzer in PERL
> it  produce html output like webalizer .if you interests
> you can get it from
> http://www.students.itu.edu.tr/~yenigul

	Why don't you take a look at http://www.freebsd.org/porters-handbook/
and turn your project into a port. That way many more freebsd users will
have access to it. 

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We have a network here with public and private subnets. The gateway from the
private to public subnet runs natd. Recently we configured all nodes on the
public subnet to converse using IPSEC transport mode. This also includes the
gateway IP on the public subnet.

Since the addition of IPSEC we are unable to connect to machines on the
public subnet from the private subnet. It seems as if the packets that are
NAT'd through the gateway are byassing IPSEC processing and, of course, the
machines on the public subnet refuse to accept them.

Anyone else experience this?

Thanks in advance,
Jim



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Thanks to all who replied.

I've written to jkb@best.com to suggest an up-date to the Security =
How-To.

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i installed samba2.0.7 using ports and am having this problem:

in windows, whenever someone tries to \\hostname , it says "could not
connect to hostname", i must use the correct DNS name (as in
\\hostname.foo.bar).

I see the following in log.nmb : 

[2000/12/02 20:35:51, 0]
nmbd/nmbd_nameregister.c:register_name_response(111)
  register_name_response: server at IP 137.99.xxx.xxx rejected our name
registration of COWBERT<00> with error code 6.
[2000/12/02 20:35:51, 0] nmbd/nmbd_workgroupdb.c:fail_register(222)
  fail_register: Failed to register name COWBERT<00> on subnet
UNICAST_SUBNET.
[2000/12/02 20:35:51, 0] nmbd/nmbd_namelistdb.c:standard_fail_register(294)
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subnet
UNICAST_SUBNET
[2000/12/02 20:36:14, 0]
nmbd/nmbd_become_lmb.c:become_local_master_stage2(405)
  *****
  Samba name server COWBERT is now a local master browser for workgroup
COWBERT
on subnet 137.99.156.168


my hostname is COWBERT and is the same as the workgroup name.
137.99.xxx.xxx is the WINS server.

smb.conf is essentially the same as the default except that: 
security = share
dns proxy = yes

this same problem occured in linux when i installed it manually, i was
hoping that a /usr/ports installation in freebsd would have fixed the
problem, but it hasn't.
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Joe Oliveiro <joe@advancewebhosting.com> types:
> Hopefully since Sun donated SO to the gnome project some things on it will
> change. I've never used kde but i wouldnt install it just for koffice,
> especially since it doesnt write M$ docs.

You can install koffice without installing kde (or kde2). The port
(editors/koffice) will do the trick for you. You will install all the
libs for it, but that's no worse than the libs for StarOffice.

After doing so, I decided that it wasn't ready for real world work
yet.

> > > I find so52 to be like its own wm. I would like to see each program to run
> > > on its own :)
> > I hear that.... basic unix philosophy...  Oddly enough, the Windows
> > version does the same thing and I've found it scares casual
> > users by replacing their familiar desktop. 8-) However, it works
> > rather well for supplying common document compatability with the
> > Microsoft stuff on *nix.

StarOffice is clearly the best choice if reading some monopolies
proprietary document formats is important to you. I don't think they
have to do the "Win9x in a window" for that, though. I've been trying
to get openoffice installed on Linux to check things out, but it isn't
worth the trouble of installing the library variants openoffice wants.

If you want a good office suite that works well on FreeBSD and doesn't
clash with your windowing environment, you'll need to buy
it. Applixware Office does a nice job, and is available as a FreeBSD
native application from the FreeBSD mall <URL:
http://www.freebsdmall.com/software/applix.phtml >.

	<mike
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Peter Lai wrote:

> while i was doing some upgrading, i think i accidently broke my MBR. I can
> boot using a fixit disk, and mount everything nicely, but when I try to boot
> regularly, the BIOS says "incorrect partition table" or something.
> 
> how would i rewrite that from either fixit or sysinstall?

  disklabel -w -B ad0 auto

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Peter Lai wrote:

>  well with all of us being geeks, i'm sure we could elicit the help of Dr.
> Noam Chomsky from MIT and help build a new international langauge that
> follow precise rules (e.g. that of a computer language) in syntax and
> structures. Something that makes sense to the brain.

IIRC, Gallic is the international language that Larry Niven envisages in
his SF novels... (its been a while since I read them...)

> For example, the same movement of the mouth and tongue are used to
> pronounce "dead" and "crap" in mandarin, but they sound differently
> and mean different things.

There you go.  You learn something new every day :-)

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Spades wrote:

> Are there any freebsd program applications to test the
> integrity of an IDE disk drive, test for errors or bad sectors?

Drop to single user mode (shutdown now) and do:

  dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/null bs=64k

That will scan your entire drive, and errors will be displayed on the
console.

You are due for a new disk.

> bash-2.03# Dec  2 18:09:26 dslglobal /kernel: ad0: HARD READ ERROR blk#
> 53534623 status=59 error=40

Upgrade to bash-2.04 :-)

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Hi

Can anyone tell me either how to create a pw.conf file  or where to find the
documentation that would.   I have man ed pw and pw.conf and I seem to be
missing something.

What I am trying to do is use the following comand within a perl script to
add a user.

"/usr/sbin/pw useradd -d $dir -m -s $shell -u $uid -n $username",
("echo $password | /usr/sbin/pw usermod $username -h fd")

It adds the user but will not insert the password    bur rather inserts a *
instead

The pw command works, but I have no pw.conf file.  Can anyone tell me where
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Thanks all for your help.

All the help I received was great.

The final problem was that my NIC was not supported and thus reported a
MAC of ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff. To add to the confusion, the card came with and
install disk that included a FreeBSD folder and two source files for the
FreeBSD 3.4 (my version). I did a diff on the files in my kernel and found
they were the same, so I thought it would work. Wrong!

I had a LinkSys NC100. The LinkSys LNE100TC was supported.

My first question from now on is: Show me where your hardware is listed in
the hardware compatibility list.

I fixed the problem by getting a 3Com 3CSOHO100-TX.
(If I got that card first, it would have saved me a couple of days
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>If you want a good office suite that works well on FreeBSD and doesn't
>clash with your windowing environment, you'll need to buy
>it. 

I wouldn't mind shelling out bucks ... can you comment on Applix'
handling of M$ 2000 formats (esp. Access, PPt)?  Star is just not
pleasant to work with.

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>On Dec 2, Thomas Ripley wrote:
>
>> Hi... I was trying to download the freeBSD Unix, but I'm having
>some trouble.  I followed the > links to the mirror sites, but I
>don't understnad exactly where to get it.  I really want to learn >
>unix... Can you please send me the exace url of where I can download
>it for Windows 98.  I really > do appreciate you time... Thank You!

Thomas:

If you're new to Unix, you'll be best off buying the FreeBSD boxed CD
set which I've seen at major electronics superstores (and some really
good bookstores).  The set comes with a book that you'll definitely
want.

You need to understand, though, that it's not a Windows application --
it's an operating system, just as Windows claims to be =).  Your best
bet is to install it on a computer that doesn't need to be 24/7
reliable, because you'll make mistakes and lose data until you get
used to it.  Read the book first, be persistent, and you'll be fine.

Hope this helps -d

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 yeah will i fixed it using /stand/sysinstall

going into the the partition editor and setting /dev/ad0s1 as bootable,
hitting 'w' (which btw, is not listed during the installation process), and
rebooting.

-----Original Message-----
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Peter Lai wrote:

> while i was doing some upgrading, i think i accidently broke my MBR. I
can
> boot using a fixit disk, and mount everything nicely, but when I try
to boot
> regularly, the BIOS says "incorrect partition table" or something.
> 
> how would i rewrite that from either fixit or sysinstall?

  disklabel -w -B ad0 auto

man 8 disklabel


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> 
> I'm FreeBSD newbie.
>  In linux I can set (in /etc/rc.d/rc.local)
> 
> ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
> route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 eth0:1
> ipfwadm -F -p deny
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.1/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.2/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.3/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.4/32 -D 0.0.0.0/0
> 
> for one network card (2 IPs - one for private ip and one for public ip)
> and run squid for my network cache proxy. (On this linux box act as web
> server database server and proxy server). How can I set FreeBSD(3.4)
> for this purpose and what files related for this job.? (I want to make FBSD
> box instead old linux) . Please  advise me for to make this?
> 
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Peter Lai wrote:
> more questions: how the heck do you pronounce "/src"?

'source' :)
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Joe Oliveiro wrote:

> Hopefully since Sun donated SO to the gnome project some things on it will
> change. I've never used kde but i wouldnt install it just for koffice,
> especially since it doesnt write M$ docs.
> 
> I've heard some good things about KDE2, i wonder if thats any better?
> 
> 
I'm running it here. It's really nice. It *does* have some bugs, but
hopefully they will soon go away.

I'm very impressed by the Browser, Konqueror . It seems to outperform
Netscape. I was expecting another half-implemented browswer and was
very surprised to find that it is fully functional, and also
includes file management on the local machine with drag and drop and
all that good stuff. It's better than the Soffice 5.1 browser.
Unlike Netscape, it's probably the most stable application that
came with KDE2.

KDE2 is bigger and slower than KDE1. They have modified the
the desktop somewhat. The biggest problem I notice is that konsole,
the terminal window, will ofte crash on exit. Since it's on exit,
it's not a big deal, except that the Crash Monitor pops up a window
and tells you about it. However, this only happens occasionally.

I haven't tried kmail. I use IMAP mail and they haven't implemented
it as yet.

Overall, I think it's really terrific and they should be
applauded for a fine project.

I noticed that there is a bug fix version 2.0.1 out now, so maybe
I'll try building that.

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Jamie Heckford wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Heres what I want to do, any ideas people?:
> 
> This is a medium sized LAN.
> 
> When people log onto the network (Windows workstations powered by fBSD servers)
> I want them to be assigned a tempoary IP address via DHCP. When they
> authenticate with there user/pass, I want them to be assigned a dedicated /
> static IP based on their username, so where-ever they go in the office
> (different desks etc.) they always have that IP.
> 
> Reason being it is easier to implement User level Filtering options.
> 

Hmmm... you didn't say if you were using Samba? If so, you have
the individual user scripts. These are run after the DHCP address
is assigned. I believe there are a couple different little
applications kicking around tucows or similar places that will
change IP on the fly for WIn boxes. However, you have the
notty little problem of losing the original connection when
the IP changes.

Why not modify your filters with the DHCP IP instead?

-Jim Durham




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well...

Looks like it wants a gtk package.  here's the line from the readme.html:

This port requires package(s) "ORBit-0.5.2 XFree86-3.3.6 bzip2-1.0.1
gettext-0.10.35 glib-1.2.8 gmake-3.79.1 gtk-1.2.8"

This can be tricky!  You may have to do a pkg_delete -f on the gtk pkg
you have and reinstall or a FORCE_PKG_REGISTER=YES on the same existing
installed packge.  Versions of gtk and tcl/tk often conflict.

-665  

On 2 Dec 2000, The Utz Family wrote:

> hi;
> mozilla keeps crashing and i am trying to run it under gdb so i can fiugre
> out why.
> 
> but it cant findthe shared libs when i run it in gdb, what step am i
> missing?
> 
> john# pwd
> /usr/home/spaz/mozilla/dist/bin
> john# gdb mozilla-bin
> GNU gdb 4.18
> Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you
> are
> welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
> conditions.
> Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for
> details.
> This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd"...
> (gdb) r
> Starting program: /usr/home/spaz/mozilla/dist/bin/mozilla-bin 
> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libgkgfx.so" not found
> 
> Program exited with code 01.
> (gdb) 
> 
> 
> any suggestions would be appreciated, *except* for onse that say 'go
> browse this website to learn how to do this' because right now i have *no*
> effective browser. netscape keeps crashing and mozilla keeps crashing :-( 
> at least i have src for mozilla.....
> i am *guessing* that the problem is that i am running XF864.01...but this
> is pure speculation....
> 
> tnx!
> 
> johnu
> 



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Well, I took the BSD plunge after 4 years of Linux, and it isn't
pretty.  The install itself went OK (from the 4.1 CD's in the BSD
Desktop Edition), but on boot I get a rapidly, then slower, repeating
line, with incrementing values:

microuptime() went backwards (437.201814 -> 437, -694864070)  

[Wherein the '437' value in this example increments with each succeeding
line, and the 'second' values show the value on the left side of the
director higher than the value to the right).

Is this indicative of a particular install problem, a particular script
or boot program error, or my hardware?  I run WinME and Linux Mandrake
7.2 on the same box with no problem, but I did install FBSD by itself on
the second IDE drive (IBM 3.2GB, on IDE2).  Other system info is:

AMD Athlon 650MHz
128MB SDRAM (Mushkin)
Microstar MS-6195 (K7Pro) Mobo
SB Live! Value Soundcard
Matrox Millenium G400 32MB DualHead video card

The boot starts out OK, but at a certain early point in the bootup
(haven't been able to pause it, so I don't know what the last 'normal'
line is) the line starts in, first repeating very fast, then slowing
down after 30 seconds or so, but never stopping.  I can Control-C but it
continues on, and I have to Ctrl-Alt-Del numerous times to kick out of
the sequence and reboot the machine.

Anyone have any ideas on this?  This is the first time I've ever
installed a BSD, and I'm very much determined to make it work and check
FreeBSD out.  Since BSDi has no free support, this list is obviously my
only hope (I checked through The Complete FreeBSD, but found no mention
of it, and I'd check the man pages but I can't boot in!!!).

I posted to the comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc list, and Drew Lawson advised
the following:

>According to the man page, microuptime() is time elapsed since
>boot.  So going backwards would be a problem.

>However:
>  DIAGNOSTICS
>       Buggy hardware can cause "calcru negative..." when kern.time-
>       counter.method is set to 0.

>I'm not up on how to change the kern settings, since I haven't
>needed to yet.

Would this indicate FBSD is somewhat less tolerant of hardware problems,
and what component would we be looking at here: memory, system clock,
other motherboard component???

Much appreciate any assistance the list can give.  Thanks!

Tom


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Hi there,


            could u send us your dmesg output here so it will help us
greatly. My bsd box has the same config as yours except it is using 133mhz
ram and geforce 2 mx. it has not much know problems..
K7pro is MSI

Regards,
James Lim

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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:31 PM
Subject: FBSD 4.1: First Install: microuptime()???


> Well, I took the BSD plunge after 4 years of Linux, and it isn't
> pretty.  The install itself went OK (from the 4.1 CD's in the BSD
> Desktop Edition), but on boot I get a rapidly, then slower, repeating
> line, with incrementing values:
>
> microuptime() went backwards (437.201814 -> 437, -694864070)
>
> [Wherein the '437' value in this example increments with each succeeding
> line, and the 'second' values show the value on the left side of the
> director higher than the value to the right).
>
> Is this indicative of a particular install problem, a particular script
> or boot program error, or my hardware?  I run WinME and Linux Mandrake
> 7.2 on the same box with no problem, but I did install FBSD by itself on
> the second IDE drive (IBM 3.2GB, on IDE2).  Other system info is:
>
> AMD Athlon 650MHz
> 128MB SDRAM (Mushkin)
> Microstar MS-6195 (K7Pro) Mobo
> SB Live! Value Soundcard
> Matrox Millenium G400 32MB DualHead video card
>
> The boot starts out OK, but at a certain early point in the bootup
> (haven't been able to pause it, so I don't know what the last 'normal'
> line is) the line starts in, first repeating very fast, then slowing
> down after 30 seconds or so, but never stopping.  I can Control-C but it
> continues on, and I have to Ctrl-Alt-Del numerous times to kick out of
> the sequence and reboot the machine.
>
> Anyone have any ideas on this?  This is the first time I've ever
> installed a BSD, and I'm very much determined to make it work and check
> FreeBSD out.  Since BSDi has no free support, this list is obviously my
> only hope (I checked through The Complete FreeBSD, but found no mention
> of it, and I'd check the man pages but I can't boot in!!!).
>
> I posted to the comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc list, and Drew Lawson advised
> the following:
>
> >According to the man page, microuptime() is time elapsed since
> >boot.  So going backwards would be a problem.
>
> >However:
> >  DIAGNOSTICS
> >       Buggy hardware can cause "calcru negative..." when kern.time-
> >       counter.method is set to 0.
>
> >I'm not up on how to change the kern settings, since I haven't
> >needed to yet.
>
> Would this indicate FBSD is somewhat less tolerant of hardware problems,
> and what component would we be looking at here: memory, system clock,
> other motherboard component???
>
> Much appreciate any assistance the list can give.  Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
To: "Tom Snell" <gracchus@inficad.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:42 PM
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> Hi Tom,
>
>                 For the microuptime problem. u might wanna reconfigure ur
> kernel to disable the apm device and see whether it helps
>
> Regards,
> James Lim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Snell" <gracchus@inficad.com>
> To: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: FBSD 4.1: First Install: microuptime()???
>
>
> > James Lim wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >             could u send us your dmesg output here so it will help us
> > > greatly. My bsd box has the same config as yours except it is using
> 133mhz
> > > ram and geforce 2 mx. it has not much know problems..
> > > K7pro is MSI
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > James Lim
> >
> > Hi, Jim!  I'd love to send the dmesg output, but since I can't seem to
> > get to a 'steady' command line, I can't do anything.  I think the system
> > actually boots, because if I hit Ctrl-C a few times, I sometimes get a
> > CLI prompt, but as soon as I start typing, the "microuptime" lines begin
> > again.  Yet I can see on the mess that is my screen that if I run "ls",
> > for example, I can see the output jumbled in with the output of the
> > "microuptime" lines.  Let me try and run dmesg, direct it to a file, and
> > print it  ($> dmesg > /root/dmesg.txt > lpr....might work, might
> > not....would this be correct syntax in FBSD?)
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tom Snell
> >
>



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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
To: "Tom Snell" <gracchus@inficad.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: FBSD 4.1: First Install: microuptime()???


> Hi there,
>
>                 Do pple call James as Jim for shortform? :)
>
> Yes you can do a dmesg > /root/dmesg.txt and send it here.
>
> Regards,
> James Lim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Snell" <gracchus@inficad.com>
> To: "James Lim" <jameslpin@pacific.net.sg>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: FBSD 4.1: First Install: microuptime()???
>
>
> > James Lim wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi there,
> > >
> > >             could u send us your dmesg output here so it will help us
> > > greatly. My bsd box has the same config as yours except it is using
> 133mhz
> > > ram and geforce 2 mx. it has not much know problems..
> > > K7pro is MSI
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > James Lim
> >
> > Hi, Jim!  I'd love to send the dmesg output, but since I can't seem to
> > get to a 'steady' command line, I can't do anything.  I think the system
> > actually boots, because if I hit Ctrl-C a few times, I sometimes get a
> > CLI prompt, but as soon as I start typing, the "microuptime" lines begin
> > again.  Yet I can see on the mess that is my screen that if I run "ls",
> > for example, I can see the output jumbled in with the output of the
> > "microuptime" lines.  Let me try and run dmesg, direct it to a file, and
> > print it  ($> dmesg > /root/dmesg.txt > lpr....might work, might
> > not....would this be correct syntax in FBSD?)
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Tom Snell
> >
>



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Peace,

  Still i didnot get it? i should use ppp dial gateway? how i do ?
  no need for any softwares? programs? special settings?

>bsd gatewat router is what you are looking for I believe .  there is a good
>tutorial on the freebsd main page about ppp dial gateway
>
>
>Peace,
>
>
>   I need to connect two machine throu 1 dialup internet account.
>   One machine is FreeBSD 3.2 release, which i will use it to dialup
>   to the internet.
>   and the other machine is windows 98. which will take the internet
>   from the fBSD.
>
>   I already connect 2 cables to the HUB between the 2 machines.
>   (3Com NC)
>
>   I can connect to the internet throu my fBSD box,
>
>   question is... How do i run the internet on the windows 98 throu my
>   small fBSD LAN.
>
>   In normal 2 windows operating systems i set a proxy software throu one
>   and use the other.. here what i do ?
>
>   Thanks for reading.
>
>
>
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Hello Mike,

Saturday, December 02, 2000, 21:20:05, you wrote:

MM> Cliff Sarginson <cliff@raggedclown.net> types:
>> Anyway. It's the only international language we have, so
>> you are stuck with it my friends.

MM> No, it isn't. I'm not sure what the current status of Russian is in
MM> the former warsaw pact countries, but it used to occupy the same
MM> position as English in them.

         yup, especially in Mongolia.
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David Talkington <dtalk@prairienet.org> types:
> >If you want a good office suite that works well on FreeBSD and doesn't
> >clash with your windowing environment, you'll need to buy
> >it. 
> I wouldn't mind shelling out bucks ... can you comment on Applix'
> handling of M$ 2000 formats (esp. Access, PPt)?  Star is just not
> pleasant to work with.

I already did. If you need interoperability with a monopolies
proprietary data formats, StarOffice is the only real choice.

	<mike
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Tom snell wrote:

>Well, I took the BSD plunge after 4 years of Linux, and it isn't

>pretty.  The install itself went OK (from the 4.1 CD's in the
BSD
>Desktop Edition), but on boot I get a rapidly, then slower,
repeating
>line, with incrementing values:
>
>microuptime() went backwards (437.201814 -> 437, -694864070)


I have seen this happen several times, thou I have never
experienced it myself.
The only thing the boxes have had in common, is that they have
all been AMD's.
Twice, I have seen people take the harddrive out of the AMD
machines and put it in a Intel based one, and the error have
disappered.
I hate to believe it, but could it be that FreeBSD has a problem
with certain AMD's?



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Tom snell wrote:
<p><i>>Well, I took the BSD plunge after 4 years of Linux, and it isn't</i>
<br><i>>pretty.&nbsp; The install itself went OK (from the 4.1 CD's in
the BSD</i>
<br><i>>Desktop Edition), but on boot I get a rapidly, then slower, repeating</i>
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<p>I have seen this happen several times, thou I have never experienced
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<br>The only thing the boxes have had in common, is that they have all
been AMD's.
<br>Twice, I have seen people take the harddrive out of the AMD machines
and put it in a Intel based one, and the error have disappered.
<br>I hate to believe it, but could it be that FreeBSD has a problem with
certain AMD's?
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Hi there,

            Upon checking the mailing lists..it seems to has to do with =
some APM management with some amd mobos. I might be wrong. But so far i =
haven't got that error on my amd chip yet. Can anyone verify exactly =
where this error would come from? I have a friend using intel on a =
notebook and he is having the same problem. So could it be AMD? or just =
certain motherboards/hardisks

Regards,
James Lim

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg=20
  To: gracchus@inficad.com ; freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG=20
  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 3:23 AM
  Subject: RE: FBSD 4.1: First Install: microuptime()???


  Tom snell wrote:=20
  >Well, I took the BSD plunge after 4 years of Linux, and it isn't=20
  >pretty.  The install itself went OK (from the 4.1 CD's in the BSD=20
  >Desktop Edition), but on boot I get a rapidly, then slower, repeating =

  >line, with incrementing values:=20
  >=20
  >microuptime() went backwards (437.201814 -> 437, -694864070)=20
   =20

  I have seen this happen several times, thou I have never experienced =
it myself.=20
  The only thing the boxes have had in common, is that they have all =
been AMD's.=20
  Twice, I have seen people take the harddrive out of the AMD machines =
and put it in a Intel based one, and the error have disappered.=20
  I hate to believe it, but could it be that FreeBSD has a problem with =
certain AMD's?=20
   =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi there,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Upon checking the mailing lists..it seems to has to =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>James Lim</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Tom snell wrote:=20
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have all=20
  been AMD's. <BR>Twice, I have seen people take the harddrive out of =
the AMD=20
  machines and put it in a Intel based one, and the error have =
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