From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 00:26:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA05751 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA05746 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA07589; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:24:43 -0800 To: Jukka Ukkonen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rusers(3) & rnusers(3) In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:31:17 +0200." <199512162031.WAA07616@jau.csc.fi> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:24:43 -0800 Message-ID: <7587.819188683@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > After getting a bit frustrated of not having the library routines > rusers(3) and rnusers(3) available on FreeBSD I wrote them as well > as the underlying xdr_utmpidlearr etc. I have tested them to work Cool! Anybody going to pick this one up? Should I? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 00:38:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06683 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06678 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:38:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id JAA15769; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:30:06 +0100 (MET) Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA00787; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:22:15 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:22:15 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi FreeBSD core team ! [ Possibly I'm speaking for many other people here ] Generally I would be interested to help testing and debugging new FreeBSD-current features. But when reading the -current mailing list, FreeBSD-current, so to say FreeBSD-2.2 in it's early days, seems to be an instability nightmare. Perhaps this expression is a bit oversized, but please understand my point of view. I read in -current very often messages like, can't boot, can't compile, unreferenced symbols, ... and so on ... Nothing on which you would want to run your home system (news, mail, www). Since I only have one PC and one harddisk, as many other people, it's not possible for me to switch to -current, because I need a certain level of stability. When speaking with people like Martin Cracauer, then I get the impression, that possibly more people would be interested to help in FreeBSD developement. Perhaps developing additional features, too. But they only have one machine, which shouldn't get into a very unstable state. So how could one attract more people, to work on the bleeding edge, without loosing stability too much ??!! Could FreeBSD-current developement be made more attractive to more people by splitting -current into 2 branches ? FreeBSD-current FreeBSD-experimental The FreeBSD-experimental tree should be for typical alpha software for equipped hackers with two systems or two harddisks ... If there is a brand new driver with a risk of crashing the systemm it should be added and tested there. If the new driver doesn't cause crashes or such it shoud move to FreeBSD-current, to introduce it to a larger audience that is willed to test the bleeding edge. Such newly introduced feature should be tested well in -current and should get to a stable state in -current. If it is stable, then a) it can be added to the -stable branch. b) you have a stable -current with the newest "tested" features This would have the advantage, that more people could work on -current, since it could be more stable then now. And ... the developers would work on a developement platform, that has incorporated the newest features. What about that ? Too much admin overhaead ? Perhaps that bit more on administration overhead regarding the newly introduced source branch can be justified with a certain increase of FreeBSD-current developers ?! Would it be possible to start with such a "beast" by simply leaving current as it ->> "experimental branch" and by introducing something like a FreeBSD-beta branch and adding current-changes to it, that are known to be stable ? So you'd have a release branch - the last good one stable branch - fixes for last -release and stable new features from beta branch beta branch - new features, something like SNAPSHOT in it's early hours ;-) alpha (current) branch - current for hackers as it is Would/could you agree with such a change ? If you would offer a more stable -current as described, I'd immediately switch to sup the new beta-branch to see what's new and to give feedbacks... So I can't :( Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 00:52:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07435 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07430 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (oberon.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA14823; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:52:29 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA07085; Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:11:22 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <200012162311.AAA07085@mordillo> Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Sun, 17 Dec 100 00:11:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512162003.VAA04049@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Dec 16, 95 09:03:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > > Is this article already published ? > > Yes, UNIXopen 1/1996. > by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this may lead to another article (we'll see ...) t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 00:55:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07660 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07646 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 00:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from titania.physik.fu-berlin.de (titania.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.244]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA03018; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:54:27 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by titania.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16058; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:54:26 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512170854.JAA16058@titania.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: looking for testers / reviewers To: roberto@keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:54:26 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512170003.BAA00814@keltia.freenix.fr> from "Ollivier Robert" at Dec 17, 95 01:03:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > It seems that Thomas Graichen said: > > * some stuff from NetBSD we don't have (until now :-) > > - /usr/sbin/newsyslog, /etc/newsyslog.conf (rotates the syslogfiles) > > I have looked at this one and found this little typo in the Makefile. I'll > look further on the program later but it is interesting. I've a crude shell > script that is just waiting to be replaced by this :-) > > --- Makefile.old Sat Oct 14 03:19:00 1995 > +++ Makefile Sun Dec 17 00:57:14 1995 > @@ -11,5 +11,5 @@ > BINOWN= root > > -MAN= newsyslog.8 > +MAN8= newsyslog.8 > > .include > oh - thanks - i think this will affect all the Makefiles - i'll look through all of them and replace the MAN by MANn t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 01:10:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA08830 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08820 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07750; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:10:07 -0800 To: Andreas Klemm cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:22:15 +0100." Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:10:07 -0800 Message-ID: <7748.819191407@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > When speaking with people like Martin Cracauer, then I get > the impression, that possibly more people would be interested > to help in FreeBSD developement. Perhaps developing additional > features, too. But they only have one machine, which shouldn't > get into a very unstable state. > > So how could one attract more people, to work on the bleeding > edge, without loosing stability too much ??!! I think the answer is pretty simple: People committing to -current need to get their acts together and stop destabilising it so much. Yes, that's a somewhat sharply worded statement, but I think that the split into 2.1 and 2.2 has been taken by some to be implicit permission for a "free for all" in -current, and that was NEVER the intention of that branch! If you've got something truly whacked-out experimental to bring in then you're supposed to test it out on your own machine(s) to the level where it, as an absolute minimum, does not make the system unusable. If you can't reasonably guarantee this, then it should stay in your local tree until you can. As Andreas notes here, having an unstable -current is very counter-productive and only leads people away from wanting to run it at all (I haven't updated my own -current system for a week or so, for exactly this reason). That somewhat defeats the purpose of -current, which is to be a *final* testing ground for features. It's not a dumping ground for half-baked and untested ideas that break existing functionality. If you've got something truly left-field that you want to bring in and it doesn't effect other parts of the system as a whole, then the rules are perhaps somewhat more flexible, but this definitely doesn't apply to changes to existing features. I think that the idea of further branching of FreeBSD into -experimental and -current is not a good one, for various reasons: 1. It would only encourage more mayhem in -experimental, quickly leading to an unmanagable mess that nobody in their right minds would want to run anyway (and if that's the case, then what's the point of committing something to a central location? Just keep it in your own tree until it's ready). 2. It would fragment work even more. People would be confused as to where to commit, what with all these possible options. 3. Somebody would be stuck with merging changes between 3 branches instead of two, and two is already becoming close to unmanagable (just ask David). Sorry to be so acidic, but I really do think that this needed to be said, and messages like Andreas's here would only serve to indicate that -current is way out of control. We need to regain some of the credibility we've lost here, not make the problem even worse! Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 01:14:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA09169 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA09158 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:13:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07794; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:12:59 -0800 To: Thomas Graichen cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 0100 00:11:22 +0100." <200012162311.AAA07085@mordillo> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:12:59 -0800 Message-ID: <7792.819191579@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like > an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the > redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get > an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this > may lead to another article (we'll see ...) I spoke with the Chefredactur at CeBIT last year and he was fairly enthusiastic - he even showed me http://www.freebsd.org in his list of Netscape bookmarks. :-) You might mention the December article in BYTE to them, if they need another reference (it often helps to point out what their competition is doing :-) and let them know that I'm more than happy to discuss the matter with them further, if they so wish. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 01:55:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA12903 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:55:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12894 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 01:55:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id KAA12302 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:04:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from [199.183.109.242] by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:52:32 -0600 X-Sender: rkw@shark.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:52:17 -0600 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Source for -stable in the cvs tree. Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I have the cvs tree. I know how to extract the 2.1.0-RELEASE and the -current trees. But how do I extract the -stable tree? ---- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 02:13:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA14593 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA14584 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:13:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA03881; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:13:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA00414; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:13:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199512171013.CAA00414@corbin.Root.COM> To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Source for -stable in the cvs tree. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 95 11:52:17 CST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 02:13:24 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have the cvs tree. I know how to extract the 2.1.0-RELEASE and the >-current trees. >But how do I extract the -stable tree? By using the RELENG_2_1_0 tag. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 03:06:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA19803 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:06:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19788 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: StevenR362@aol.com Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com (mail06.mail.aol.com [152.163.172.108]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id PAA26948 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA10511; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:22:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:22:40 -0500 Message-ID: <951212182238_131608664@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In a message dated 95-12-12 02:22:56 EST, hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) writes: >They are already doing that ... If I don't like whats going on over here >I may chose to go Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc... > > I must have my head in the sand or something. This is the second or third time that I have seen a reference to OpenBSD in this list. What is it? and when did it come about? Steve From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 03:08:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA19967 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:08:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA19946 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id LAA16874 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA22394; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:12:43 -0800 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:12:43 -0800 From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) Message-Id: <199512121912.LAA22394@netcom14.netcom.com> To: SimsS@Infi.Net, hackers@freebsd.org, scrappy@hub.org Subject: Re: SNMP for FreeBSD? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >As far as an snmpd on FreeBSD, I'm planning on looking at same in the near >future, so keep me posted if you discover any tips for doing so. Just look in ftp.freebsd.org's freebsd's exprimnt section for the latest cmu-snmp stuff. In it , I am sure that you will snmpd for FreeBSD.. It works okay , my system rah.star-gate.com at boot time loads up snmpd. So feel free to query it . Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 03:39:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22600 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22594 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:38:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id MAA19398; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:30:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA00620; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:14:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:14:04 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-Reply-To: <7748.819191407@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > When speaking with people like Martin Cracauer, then I get > > the impression, that possibly more people would be interested > > to help in FreeBSD developement. Perhaps developing additional > > features, too. But they only have one machine, which shouldn't > > get into a very unstable state. > > > > So how could one attract more people, to work on the bleeding > > edge, without loosing stability too much ??!! > > I think the answer is pretty simple: > > People committing to -current need to get their acts together and stop > destabilising it so much. Yes, that's a somewhat sharply worded > statement, but I think that the split into 2.1 and 2.2 has been taken > by some to be implicit permission for a "free for all" in -current, > and that was NEVER the intention of that branch! Well, thanks Jordan for that statement. I don't think this isn't only a sharply worded statement, it was really needed. > If you've got something truly whacked-out experimental to bring in > then you're supposed to test it out on your own machine(s) to the > level where it, as an absolute minimum, does not make the system > unusable. If you can't reasonably guarantee this, then it should stay > in your local tree until you can. I'd love to see this to become true. > As Andreas notes here, having an unstable -current is very > counter-productive and only leads people away from wanting to run it > at all (I haven't updated my own -current system for a week or so, for > exactly this reason). So you should have raised your voice, too, Jordan, weeks and perhaps months ago ;-) Perhaps you remember the German phrase "Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, dann lebt's sich voellig ungeniert" ;-) Concerning FreeBSD it means, that Unix engaged people like Martin, come to the clue, that -current developement isn't manageable, because you have an instable basis. What's even worse, Martin is one of our local Unix gurus in de.comp.os.unix. He is someone who "talks no shit". I think two months ago I got a report from him, that tries to compare the different PD Unixes .... I remember some statements, where he talks about the problem, that it's impossible to share the current developement, because it's done on an unstable system. And if you don't have two system, a production and a test (current) system, then you are stuck on release. I think other people may have been come to the same conclusion. You have the power to change this. I think it's really necessary. Little comparison with the dark side of Unix -> Linux :-> The have a as well a stable and a hackers branch, as we all know. When I was in the Linux camp several months (years?) ago, then I noticed, that the Linux hackers kernels are relatively stable, even the alpha stuff. Believe me or not. I think that having a well running -current branch would certainly bring - more 'happy home hackers' with - many new ideas - more feedback - a fresh drive (hehehe, join my excellent English here ;-) into the -current developement to the -current branch... I think it's a good possibility to find some new workhorses with many hp's ;-) > That somewhat defeats the purpose of -current, > which is to be a *final* testing ground for features. It's not a > dumping ground for half-baked and untested ideas that break existing > functionality. If you've got something truly left-field that you want > to bring in and it doesn't effect other parts of the system as a > whole, then the rules are perhaps somewhat more flexible, but this > definitely doesn't apply to changes to existing features. > > I think that the idea of further branching of FreeBSD into > -experimental and -current is not a good one, for various reasons: But it was perhaps a good idea, to describe the current scenario. Namely "That wishes arise because of the currnet bad situation". I already thought, that noone really wants a new branch, but people should start to think over their changes, if they are good or bad for those people, who are supping current. > 1. It would only encourage more mayhem in -experimental, quickly leading > to an unmanagable mess that nobody in their right minds would want to > run anyway (and if that's the case, then what's the point of committing > something to a central location? Just keep it in your own tree until > it's ready). > > 2. It would fragment work even more. People would be confused as to where > to commit, what with all these possible options. > > 3. Somebody would be stuck with merging changes between 3 branches instead of > two, and two is already becoming close to unmanagable (just ask David). Yeah, more work, less productivity. > Sorry to be so acidic, but I really do think that this needed to be > said, and messages like Andreas's here would only serve to indicate > that -current is way out of control. We need to regain some of the > credibility we've lost here, not make the problem even worse! So what could be done now ??? Reading Jordans comments we have to manage three things - keep the compiler happy code freeze and kick things out of current that are known to be so buggy, that the system panics or crashes or that badly influences other system services. Test them locally or in certain teams. make -current useable for a larger audience - keep the current-user happy keep in mind to add only tested things to -current which shouldn't be too difficult, since there aren't much people who are allowes to commit changes. - re-gain credibility, which means polish the somewhow damaged picture of -current Well after work is done, a big announcement in mailing lists and Newsgroups to motivate people for supping current. BTW: If you think there were too many changes made in current... So that one might come to the conclusion, that the next stable -current release will be FreeBSD-2.2-RELEASE ;-) What would you think about restarting over now. Get a fresh 2.1-stable source tree and make a project plan, what could go from old-unstable-current into the new current based on -stable without breaking it ?! If this would be done immediately, it would have the great advantage, that we all could immediately begin to sup current and to bring the new baby to work ! Then much more people could work on things like ext2fs, linux emulator and things like that. Like to hear your comments on that Good sunday you all Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 03:41:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA22874 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:41:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ruby.ora.com (ruby.ora.com [198.112.208.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA22868 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 03:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by ruby.ora.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) id GAA17924; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 06:40:33 -0500 From: Greg Lehey Message-Id: <199512171140.GAA17924@ruby.ora.com> Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 06:40:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200012162311.AAA07085@mordillo> from "Thomas Graichen" at Dec 17, 95 04:57:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Thomas Graichen writes: > > by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like > an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the > redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get > an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this > may lead to another article (we'll see ...) I used to write articles for iX, and found them to be some of the most difficult people I have ever dealt with. They kept changing my texts to fit their (strange) viewpoint of the world. If you *do* go ahead with this idea (which I still think is good), make *very* certain that they print what you write, and not what they think. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 04:00:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA23860 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA23855 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA03963; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:00:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA00444; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:01:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199512171201.EAA00444@corbin.Root.COM> To: StevenR362@aol.com cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 95 18:22:40 EST." <951212182238_131608664@mail06.mail.aol.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:01:08 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >In a message dated 95-12-12 02:22:56 EST, hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio >Hasty Jr.) writes: > >>They are already doing that ... If I don't like whats going on over here >>I may chose to go Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc... >> >> > > I must have my head in the sand or something. This is the second or >third >time that I have seen a reference to OpenBSD in this list. What is it? and >when >did it come about? It's a NetBSD clone started by a disgruntled former NetBSD core member. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 04:21:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA25698 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA25674 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:20:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA11851; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:19:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199512171219.NAA11851@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE To: graichen@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Thomas Graichen) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:19:31 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200012162311.AAA07085@mordillo> from "Thomas Graichen" at Dec 17, 95 11:22:55 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > As Andreas Klemm wrote: > > > > > > Is this article already published ? > > > > Yes, UNIXopen 1/1996. > > > by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like iX is very Linux inclined. > an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the > redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get > an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this > may lead to another article (we'll see ...) Write up something and give them food. You may ask Michael Reifenberger (mr@freebsd.org - has has some experience with them :). > > t > _______________________________________________________||___________________ > __|| > Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen > longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin > is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik > __|| > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de > ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 06:28:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA02027 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 06:28:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA02015 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 06:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Sun, 17 Dec 95 14:27 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA05273; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:27:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199512171427.PAA05273@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: New version of "Installing FreeBSD" now on freefall.FreeBSD.org To: jfieber@indiana.edu (John Fieber) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:27:30 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: from "John Fieber" at Dec 14, 95 03:01:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk John Fieber writes: > > On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Greg Lehey wrote: > > > Funny, I use ghostview to look at the stuff here. What's it > > complaining about? > > Okay ghostscript is perfectly happy, but my ghostview barfs. :( > Go figure... What was the error message? I've just installed ghostview and ghostscript on my machine (I've been using it on BSD/386 so far), but the only problem I saw was with paths (I was pointing to my BSD/386 init stuff, which is gs 2.6.1, and the stuff on the FreeBSD CD is 2.6.2). Apart from that, everything works just fine. Well, there's also the question of fonts--I just ported groff 1.10, and somehow overwrote my download file. But that'll be easy enough to fix. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 06:37:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA02925 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 06:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from server.netcraft.co.uk (server.netcraft.co.uk [194.72.238.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA02920 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 06:37:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from paul@localhost) by server.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA13800; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:36:18 GMT From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199512171436.OAA13800@server.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:36:17 +0000 (GMT) Cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <7748.819191407@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 17, 95 01:10:07 am Reply-to: paul@netcraft.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Jordan K. Hubbard who said > > People committing to -current need to get their acts together and stop > destabilising it so much. Yes, that's a somewhat sharply worded > statement, but I think that the split into 2.1 and 2.2 has been taken > by some to be implicit permission for a "free for all" in -current, > and that was NEVER the intention of that branch! I think me and Jordan are going to vehemently agree for a change :-) I'm in exactly this position, installed 2.1 on my new box (yes I've finally got myself a box again) and I want to upgrade to current to try out all the new toys but it's so broken that I'm going to get myself cut off from the world if it's on my one and only box. > If you've got something truly whacked-out experimental to bring in > then you're supposed to test it out on your own machine(s) to the > level where it, as an absolute minimum, does not make the system > unusable. If you can't reasonably guarantee this, then it should stay > in your local tree until you can. Absolutely, the vm headers are a good example. Peter was fixing code for a while after this commit because some parts of the tree WOULDN'T EVEN COMPILE! Was a make world done before this commit, I somehow doubt it given the glaring problems that Peter fixed. Missing the odd bug when changing the filesystem to allow 1Tb files is one thing and is what -current is for, not doing even a basic sanity check to make sure the tree still compiles is a totally different case and one we used to be a lot more stern about when it happened. I think the core team has become a little too soft when dealing with it's cotributors :-) -- Paul Richards, Netcraft Ltd. Internet: paul@netcraft.co.uk, http://www.netcraft.co.uk Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1225 447500 (work) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 07:21:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03992 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 07:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03984 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 07:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08387; Sun, 17 Dec 95 09:21:08 -0600 Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA17714; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:21:07 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:21:07 -0700 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9512171521.AA17714@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: andreas@knobel.gun.de Cc: jehamby@lightside.com, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org, jdc@crab.xinside.com, velte@cdrom.com In-Reply-To: (message from Andreas Klemm on Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:24:51 +0100 (MET)) Subject: Re: Interested in CDE, anyone? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Klemm writes: Andreas> My experience is, that my machine is a bit slow now under Andreas> CDE. The mouse cursor doesn't respond as quickly as I Andreas> was used to under Solaris 2.4 without CDE. Hmmm ... kinda like when Openwindows first came out. In my old Sun-based stomping grounds, the majority of us run vanilla X11 since Sun's NeWS-capable X server was slower than a jar of molasses in January. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Laboratory, Boulder Colorado USA He was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land. He loved it so much he made a woman out of dirt and married her. But when he kissed her, she disintegrated. Later, at the funeral, when the preacher said, "Dust to dust," some people laughed, and the cowboy shot them. At his hanging, he told the others, "I'll be waiting for you in heaven - with a gun." -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 08:26:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07206 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA07186 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA17677; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:24:47 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512171624.LAA17677@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: FreeBSD on laptop To: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers), freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:24:47 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just wanted to announce that FreeBSD 2.0.5-release runs unmodified on a ThinkPad 365. I'm hacking in the IDE CD support to work out the installation of additional tools. Bill (waiting for 2.1.0 CD to test that...) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 08:32:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA07589 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:32:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA07453 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 08:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA02873; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:42:39 +0800 (WST) From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199512171542.XAA02873@jhome.DIALix.COM> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:42:38 +0800 (WST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Dec 17, 95 09:22:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi FreeBSD core team ! > > [ Possibly I'm speaking for many other people here ] It's possible. > > Generally I would be interested to help testing and debugging new > FreeBSD-current features. But when reading the -current mailing list, > FreeBSD-current, so to say FreeBSD-2.2 in it's early days, seems to be > an instability nightmare. Perhaps this expression is a bit oversized, > but please understand my point of view. I do dissagree. -current is exceptionally stable for what it is... It's the integration of a bunch of new code that is destined to give the 'feature set' of 2.2.. If we cound create 2.2 without any integration we would, but as we are trying to produce a kernel in 2.2 that has many many new facets, it is inevitable that new code be integrated in -current.. I run -currrent (up until last week) on my machine at TFS.com and I have had NO troubles with it... > > I read in -current very often messages like, can't boot, can't compile, > unreferenced symbols, ... and so on ... > Usually this is pilot error. It usually requires the user to compile more or check their configuration..... Sometimes it's something due to the symbol space cleanup going on, but I tyhink this is vastly overstated.. the -current kernel is in a successfully compilabel state 90% of the time.. from my commercial experience I'd say this is a REMARKABLE achievement.. > Nothing on which you would want to run your home system > (news, mail, www). If you want to do that run 2.1 > > Since I only have one PC and one harddisk, as many other people, > it's not possible for me to switch to -current, because I need > a certain level of stability. you should be able to do all your initial development with 2.1 You can also have two kernel trees (for example) and compile and run 2.2 kernels froma 2.1 tree.. you will have to compile 2.2 versions of some utilities (ps etc) but it's quite doable.. I do it here > > When speaking with people like Martin Cracauer, then I get > the impression, that possibly more people would be interested > to help in FreeBSD developement. Perhaps developing additional > features, too. But they only have one machine, which shouldn't > get into a very unstable state. you don't need to totally upgrade.. you can.. 1/ do development on 2.1 2/ make a chroot tree, filled with 2.2 binaries 3/ use the 2.1 reee with a 2.2 kernel for testing -current is by definition kinda unstable.. it's a feature, not a problem.. > > So how could one attract more people, to work on the bleeding > edge, without loosing stability too much ??!! > > Could FreeBSD-current developement be made more attractive > to more people by splitting -current into 2 branches ? no. > > FreeBSD-current > FreeBSD-experimental > > The FreeBSD-experimental tree should be for typical alpha software > for equipped hackers with two systems or two harddisks ... > If there is a brand new driver with a risk of crashing the systemm > it should be added and tested there. No the code that is SO green that it cashes the systems should be tested in people's private trees.. > If the new driver doesn't cause crashes or such it shoud move to > FreeBSD-current, to introduce it to a larger audience that is > willed to test the bleeding edge. i.e just like now.. > > Such newly introduced feature should be tested well in -current > and should get to a stable state in -current. If it is stable, then > a) it can be added to the -stable branch. > b) you have a stable -current with the newest "tested" features and who is going to 'make' this branch? I run -current... I don't have problems.. if it aint broke don't fix it.. > > This would have the advantage, that more people could work on -current, > since it could be more stable then now. And ... the developers would > work on a developement platform, that has incorporated the newest > features. you should freeze your own environment at a stable point if you want isolation from what'sm going on.... it just means that you will have more to 'catch up' when you merge your changes.. > > What about that ? Too much admin overhaead ? > yes > Perhaps that bit more on administration overhead regarding the > newly introduced source branch can be justified with a certain > increase of FreeBSD-current developers ?! > > Would it be possible to start with such a "beast" by simply > leaving current as it ->> "experimental branch" and by introducing > something like a FreeBSD-beta branch and adding current-changes to > it, that are known to be stable ? > > So you'd have a > > release branch - the last good one > stable branch - fixes for last -release and stable new features > from beta branch > beta branch - new features, something like SNAPSHOT in > it's early hours ;-) > alpha (current) > branch - current for hackers as it is > > Would/could you agree with such a change ? If you would offer a > more stable -current as described, I'd immediately switch to > sup the new beta-branch to see what's new and to give feedbacks... > So I can't :( > It would require almost doubling the work.. after doing your import of changes, youd then have to wait a few hours anf then move the changes to alpha (or whatever) what we have now is working fine... if you can't cope with the TINY hickups happenning then you should tay with -dtable (2.1) and develope with that.. and 'merge the new driver to -curent later. > Andreas /// > > -- > andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH > Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - julian.... > \/ > ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz > apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 09:00:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08589 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:00:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from crh.cl.msu.edu (crh.cl.msu.edu [35.8.1.24]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08556 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from henrich@localhost) by crh.cl.msu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA06285; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:59:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:59:48 -0500 From: Charles Henrich Message-Id: <199512171659.LAA06285@crh.cl.msu.edu> To: jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need Help.. 8-) Newsgroups: lists.freebsd.hackers References: <4b0k4b$1kdt@msunews.cl.msu.edu> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In lists.freebsd.hackers you write: >I'm afraid I flamed him a bit - it really does annoy me just a tad >when people feel that it'd be faster to annoy thousands of people with >a completely trivial question when *ten seconds* worth of poking >around would answer all their questions. >Sheesh - these folks will be writing us messages next saying "Help! Help! >I am unable to find a piece of paper to wipe my nose! Someone please come >here and wipe it for me!" Does anyone know where I left my wallet this morning? :) :) -Crh -- Charles Henrich Michigan State University henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu http://rs560.msu.edu/~henrich/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 09:31:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09436 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09419 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:31:27 -0800 (PST) From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199512171731.JAA09419@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: paul@netcraft.co.uk Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:31:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, andreas@knobel.gun.de, current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512171436.OAA13800@server.netcraft.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Dec 17, 95 02:36:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Absolutely, the vm headers are a good example. Peter was fixing > code for a while after this commit because some parts of the tree > WOULDN'T EVEN COMPILE! Was a make world done before this commit, > I somehow doubt it given the glaring problems that Peter fixed. > Missing the odd bug when changing the filesystem to allow 1Tb files > is one thing and is what -current is for, not doing even a basic > sanity check to make sure the tree still compiles is a totally > different case and one we used to be a lot more stern about when > it happened. > > I think the core team has become a little too soft when dealing > with it's cotributors :-) > A make world was not done, and if someone would donate a reasonable machine to me to let me do so -- it would be very nice. I probably have the least powerful machine of any major contributor (and have only one.) Those with expensive high power machines are welcome to help. (Machines bigger than a 3 yr old 20MB 486/66 :-)). The kernel did work -- and there was some chaff (a bug in sys_process.c) -- oh, by the way did the 1Tb changes break things -- or was it the header file changes/improvements???? All I had to do to get ps working again was to rebuild libkvm/ps.... John dyson@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 09:37:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09763 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:37:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from knobel.gun.de (knobel-ip.gun.de [192.109.159.141]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09753 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03816; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:36:30 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm Message-Id: <199512171736.SAA03816@knobel.gun.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: julian@jhome.DIALix.COM (Julian Elischer) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:36:30 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512171542.XAA02873@jhome.DIALix.COM> from "Julian Elischer" at Dec 17, 95 11:42:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi Julian and the others ! > I do dissagree. -current is exceptionally stable for what it is... Ok, but other people seem to dislike little surprises Among them Jordan and Paul. But what counts more, people, that would otherwise like to join -current as I described. > Usually this is pilot error. It usually requires the user to > compile more or check their configuration..... Here I disagree. As Jordan already mentioned, it should be normal, to incorporate only those changes into the current tree, that are locally tested. Normally you cam only test something, that does compile. If changes doesn't compile, then it's a sign for either - not tested or - tested in a too small scope > Sometimes it's something due to the symbol space cleanup > going on, but I tyhink this is vastly overstated.. Then it would be interesting to me, to hear from Martin Cracauer, why he is currently not interested in getting current. Perhaps some patches are really done too loosey or whatever. > the -current kernel is in a successfully compilabel state > 90% of the time.. from my commercial experience I'd say this is a > REMARKABLE achievement.. Well the whole FreeBSD project is a very very good one and I'm really happy to have such a wonderful and stable OS running here. But that's not the point. Current should be brought into a state, that more people are motivated to sup and install it. The goal is, to get some more good programmers into the boat. > No the code that is SO green that it cashes the systems should > be tested in people's private trees.. Yes. And in addition to that: changes should be tested. It's not necessary, that other people can't compile the system after supping those changes. > what we have now is working fine... > if you can't cope with the TINY hickups happenning > then you should stay with -stable (2.1) and develope with that.. > and 'merge the new driver to -curent later. On the other hand ... If -current would become more stable, then more people would use it. This would have the advantage, that feedback on new code would come much earlier. This would have a big advantage shortly before a release schedule. The quality of SNAP shots would improve, possibly one wouldn't need as many SNAP's. -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 10:41:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA12182 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from expo.x.org (expo.x.org [198.112.45.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12176 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 10:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from exalt.x.org by expo.x.org id AA03801; Sun, 17 Dec 95 13:41:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by exalt.x.org id SAA19173; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:41:19 GMT Message-Id: <199512171841.SAA19173@exalt.x.org> To: hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: growing X server processes In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 15 Dec 1995 13:37:05 EDT. <6990.819031025@critter.tfs.com> Organization: X Consortium Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:41:18 EDT From: "Kaleb S. KEITHLEY" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I use it for everything. Without gnumalloc my server would easily > > grow to ~10meg and never shrink. This was not very good on my 8meg ram/ > > 32meg swap machine to have a third of my swap consumed by unused server > > > You should try out the malloc in -current then. I would probably do even > better than gnumalloc in low-ram environments. > Here's a patch that is a slight improvement over the malloc.c in -current. If you run a ktrace on the simple test program that I posted previously you'll see that it behaves a little better in that case. But it's still not perfect. With this patch my X server idles at ~3.5meg, as opposed to ~4meg without it and ~3meg using gnumalloc. I think this points out that your free page management needs to be rethought. -- Kaleb *** /usr/src/lib/libc/stdlib/malloc.c-current Sun Dec 17 06:55:28 1995 --- /usr/src/lib/libc/stdlib/malloc.c Sun Dec 17 08:18:21 1995 *************** *** 493,498 **** --- 493,499 ---- malloc_init () { char *p; + static void * malloc_bytes (size_t); #ifdef EXTRA_SANITY malloc_junk = 1; *************** *** 593,598 **** --- 594,606 ---- malloc_ninfo = malloc_pagesize / sizeof *page_dir; + /* + hackity hack hack, pre-allocate the freepage list pointer to + improve odds of being able to return pages to the OS that are + allocated by the first calls to malloc. + */ + px = (struct pgfree *) malloc_bytes (sizeof(struct pgfree)); + /* Been here, done that */ initialized++; } *************** *** 990,996 **** pf = px; px = 0; } else if (pf->end == ptr ) { ! /* Append to the previuos entry */ pf->end += l; pf->size += l; if (pf->next && pf->end == pf->next->page ) { --- 998,1004 ---- pf = px; px = 0; } else if (pf->end == ptr ) { ! /* Append to the previous entry */ pf->end += l; pf->size += l; if (pf->next && pf->end == pf->next->page ) { From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 11:00:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12727 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from virginia.edu (uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12722 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:00:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from archive.cs.virginia.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa16625; 17 Dec 95 13:59 EST Received: from stretch.cs.Virginia.edu (atf3r@stretch-fo.cs.Virginia.EDU [128.143.136.14]) by archive.cs.Virginia.EDU (8.7.1/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA05786; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by stretch.cs.Virginia.edu (4.1/SMI-2.0) id AA02000; Sun, 17 Dec 95 13:59:37 EST Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:59:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Adrian T. Filipi-Martin" Reply-To: adrian@virginia.edu To: Jake Hamby Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Interested in CDE, anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Jake Hamby wrote: > Those are the pros. But the disadvanatges are so big, that I doubt it > will be a big seller on FreeBSD (or Linux for that matter). First of > all, Motif is big, and so are the CDE programs. Even with 48MB of RAM, > and the fastest (single-CPU) superSPARC 75MHz, most programs take a > noticeable five seconds or so to start. And, although there are plenty > of pretty pictures, once you actually start to USE (or even worse try to > customize) CDE, you're stuck back in the Unix command-line world. Nearly I agree that CDE is pretty much a waste when it comes to configuration and such. I also have to point out that the non-technically aware users of the CDE don't care. They don't know how uncomfortabnle their shoes are because they have never tried on a comfy pair, let alone gone barefoot in X. They think it is the admins job to make any significant customizations to the workplace default environment. These days I am administering a bunch of HP's which have had VUE/CDE for years. Many VUE users just don't like anything else because the options confuse them. e.g. "Where's my terminal button?" I argue that CDE would be a valuable application to have available for FreeBSD. Not because its all that good, but because it would attract the interest of people with money and make it easy to drop cheap UNIX-like boxes infront of less competant users. If a few of our pentiums sprouted a CDE interface some of my users might actually use a FreeBSD box with out realizing it. Presently, it's pretty obvious which is which. Perhaps we could think of CDE for FreeBSD as a "Camouflaged Desktop Environment." It may not be the greatest thing to the current users of free OS's, but it may be a useful tool in expanding the user base. cheers, Adrian adrian@virginia.edu ---->>>>| Support your local programmer, http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~atf3r/ --->>>| STOP Software Patent Abuses NOW! Member: The League for -->>| For an application and information Programming Freedom ->| see: http://www.lpf.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 11:16:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA13157 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13151 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id GAA17231; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:11:27 +1100 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:11:27 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512171911.GAA17231@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: andreas@knobel.gun.de, julian@jhome.dialix.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? Cc: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Hi FreeBSD core team ! >> >> [ Possibly I'm speaking for many other people here ] >It's possible. Possibly for non-developers :-). >> >> Generally I would be interested to help testing and debugging new >> FreeBSD-current features. But when reading the -current mailing list, >> FreeBSD-current, so to say FreeBSD-2.2 in it's early days, seems to be ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> an instability nightmare. Perhaps this expression is a bit oversized, >> but please understand my point of view. >I do dissagree. -current is exceptionally stable for what it is... I agree with Julian. >I run -currrent (up until last week) on my machine at TFS.com >and I have had NO troubles with it... I have had only one serious problem (2 core dumps apparently caused by some vm change in the last month). Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 11:56:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14828 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14809 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:56:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA14386; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:46:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199512171946.UAA14386@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:46:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, julian@jhome.dialix.com, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199512171911.GAA17231@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Dec 18, 95 06:11:27 am From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Bruce Evans who wrote: > > >> Hi FreeBSD core team ! > >> > >> [ Possibly I'm speaking for many other people here ] > >It's possible. > > Possibly for non-developers :-). > > >> > >> Generally I would be interested to help testing and debugging new > >> FreeBSD-current features. But when reading the -current mailing list, > >> FreeBSD-current, so to say FreeBSD-2.2 in it's early days, seems to be > >> an instability nightmare. Perhaps this expression is a bit oversized, > >> but please understand my point of view. > >I do dissagree. -current is exceptionally stable for what it is... > > I agree with Julian. Ahem, I'm not sure I do, I think we should take this critique VERY serious guys. I have been trying to get a -current system up and running for the last week, and its just been possible shortly to even compile a system without tweeking files here and there... (and I'm seeing runtime problems here and there still) I think its is CRUCIAL that -current can be compile & is resonably stable at any given time. I agree that this puts more stress on the people doing "high tech" development for the next release, but they should test their code so that it at least compiles. When it is kernel level stuff it should at least work too. I've been burnt more than once by a kernel that blew up into my face destroing hours of work (I know, I asked for it running current :) Also getting a current up and running this time (for doing dev work) has costed me ~ a week where I could have done some real work on the system.... > >I run -currrent (up until last week) on my machine at TFS.com > >and I have had NO troubles with it... > > I have had only one serious problem (2 core dumps apparently caused by > some vm change in the last month). You must have another current than most of us :) :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 11:56:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA14862 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14851 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA08209 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:56:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199512171956.LAA08209@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: MBONEing with FreeBSD 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:56:13 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, The FreeBSD Lounge area picked up last nite around 3:30 am PSTD. It was really, really great . We held two simulataneous conversations, a fellow in Sweden , needed a kernel to be compile due to the small computer configuration and we tried to find out why a fellow in Japan was not talking back on vat. At any rate, I wish you guys could have observed the whole interaction. So hang out in the FreeBSD lounge, it is cool 8) Cameras, Lights, Action! Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 11:59:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15099 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (news@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA15088 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 11:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id DAA23336 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:58:58 +0800 (WST) Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 18 Dec 1995 03:58:54 +0800 From: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: <4b1spu$mou$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199512171436.OAA13800@server.netcraft.co.uk>, <199512171731.JAA09419@freefall.freebsd.org> Reply-To: peter@jhome.dialix.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk dyson@freefall.freebsd.org (John Dyson) writes: >> Absolutely, the vm headers are a good example. Peter was fixing >> code for a while after this commit because some parts of the tree >> WOULDN'T EVEN COMPILE! Was a make world done before this commit, >> I somehow doubt it given the glaring problems that Peter fixed. >> Missing the odd bug when changing the filesystem to allow 1Tb files >> is one thing and is what -current is for, not doing even a basic >> sanity check to make sure the tree still compiles is a totally >> different case and one we used to be a lot more stern about when >> it happened. >> >> I think the core team has become a little too soft when dealing >> with it's cotributors :-) >> >A make world was not done, and if someone would donate a reasonable >machine to me to let me do so -- it would be very nice. I probably >have the least powerful machine of any major contributor (and have >only one.) Those with expensive high power machines are welcome to >help. (Machines bigger than a 3 yr old 20MB 486/66 :-)). I'm using Julian Elischer's 16MB 386SX-25 box with my own 486/66 motherboard plus some memory in it.. I know the feeling! (hence the reason why I committed the "make -DNOCLEAN world" speedup.. :-) Most of the significant changes that I've been making have been running for a while, some on my employer's SVR4 machines in different forms.. ;-) I try and resist the temptation to make "harmless quick fixes" on the spur of the moment, but I've been a bit less careful lately and have done a few bad ones.. >The kernel did work -- and there was some chaff (a bug in sys_process.c) >-- oh, by the way did the 1Tb changes break things -- or was it the header file >changes/improvements???? All I had to do to get ps working again was to >rebuild libkvm/ps.... The 1Tb kernel stuff has fine as far as I could tell... It's been working flawlessly for me since it went in. The include file cleanup was what caused the most pain that I could see. Unfortunately, the extreme nesting of include files was directly linked to an unnecessary compile slowdown.. It _had_ to be cleaned up. The only problem is that because of the excessive nesting and redundant or inefficient choices that's accumulated over time, many of the user-mode programs have become dependent on this junk. Sure, it was painful while it was up in the air, and a good deal of it was not obvious how to fix for the non-guru types who have been plodding along in -current, but I think it is/was worth it... Currently, as far as I can tell, the main horror stories being reported at the moment appear to be coming from AHC driver users (2740/2840/2940).. Oh! BTW: My system was reliably panicing if I did a 'dd' from a raw partition with a 1MB block size, in vm_bounce_page_free(). This has inexplicably stopped some time over the last week or so!! (Buslogic BT445S VLB card with inability to DMA above 16MB, so bounce buffers are used). -Peter >John >dyson@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 12:13:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA16160 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:13:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16153 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers, kaleb@x.org Subject: Re: growing X server processes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16150.819231190.1@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:13:10 -0800 Message-ID: <16151.819231190@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > > I use it for everything. Without gnumalloc my server would easily > > > grow to ~10meg and never shrink. This was not very good on my 8meg ram/ > > > 32meg swap machine to have a third of my swap consumed by unused server > > > > > You should try out the malloc in -current then. I would probably do even > > better than gnumalloc in low-ram environments. > > > > Here's a patch that is a slight improvement over the malloc.c in -current. > If you run a ktrace on the simple test program that I posted previously > you'll see that it behaves a little better in that case. > > But it's still not perfect. With this patch my X server idles at ~3.5meg, > as opposed to ~4meg without it and ~3meg using gnumalloc. I think this > points out that your free page management needs to be rethought. > As the author of our current malloc I'd like to point out a couple of common fallacies in comparing mallocs. 1) You don't reall care about how many pages you have sbrk'ed. You care about how many are in RAM. The "Current Working Set" is the term often used. Both top and ps shows it. The "phkmalloc" tries to minimize the number of pages used, not the number of bytes. 2) All the pages which have been sbrk'ed but which are not used, they only occupy swap-space, and they are cheaper to get back than getting new pages from the kernel. Being too eager to sbrk(2) backwards is not always a good thing. Anyway, you hack is indeed a cute little optimization, which I should have thought about :-) Peter moved the page-directory into mmap'ed pages, and that was also a good idea, keep 'em coming.... :-) Have you found any timewise measurable performace difference ? Poul-Henning From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 12:41:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19009 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18979 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:41:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512172041.MAA18979@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: peter@jhome.dialix.com cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "18 Dec 1995 03:58:54 +0800." <4b1spu$mou$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:41:01 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Currently, as far as I can tell, the main horror stories being >reported at the moment appear to be coming from AHC driver users >(2740/2840/2940).. Quite a bit of work is being done on the ahc driver right now. I hope to commit my changes in one large chunk next week (after DG has found the driver to be relatively free of bugs). David's got a setup that puts a little more stress on it than my little 486-66 with with its Empire 2100 and PD1225. I just wanted to point out that the problems are being worked on, but my time has been really tight lately so the progress has been slow. >-Peter -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 12:44:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19398 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:44:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19388 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09925; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:39:29 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512172039.NAA09925@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: rusers(3) & rnusers(3) To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:39:29 -0700 (MST) Cc: jau@jau.csc.fi, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <7587.819188683@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 17, 95 00:24:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > After getting a bit frustrated of not having the library routines > > rusers(3) and rnusers(3) available on FreeBSD I wrote them as well > > as the underlying xdr_utmpidlearr etc. I have tested them to work > > Cool! Anybody going to pick this one up? Should I? Note that it was not posted under BSD license. It was limited such that you are not allowed to sell it. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 12:50:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA19630 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19613 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:50:35 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19610.819233434.1@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 12:50:34 -0800 Message-ID: <19611.819233434@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> Hi FreeBSD core team ! > >> > >> [ Possibly I'm speaking for many other people here ] > >It's possible. > > Possibly for non-developers :-). likely so.. > >> > >> Generally I would be interested to help testing and debugging new > >> FreeBSD-current features. But when reading the -current mailing list, > >> FreeBSD-current, so to say FreeBSD-2.2 in it's early days, seems to be > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > >> an instability nightmare. Perhaps this expression is a bit oversized, > >> but please understand my point of view. > >I do dissagree. -current is exceptionally stable for what it is... > > I agree with Julian. actually even more stable than in a long time :-) > >I run -currrent (up until last week) on my machine at TFS.com > >and I have had NO troubles with it... > > I have had only one serious problem (2 core dumps apparently caused by > some vm change in the last month). I have some bogons, but they are quite likely HW actually. (Don't worry Rod, I just have not got around to flash the boot-patition correctly :-). I would like to release some steam here. If we are to keep abreast with the world, (we're presently running a mere 5 years behind schedule I think), we need to move some things a long way. If changes like devfs, protoizing & staticization are supposed to be commited as flaw-less, then we might as well close shop and run Linux. -current is generally compilable, it's perfectly stable for long stretches of time, but right after any major release, a lot of saved up powder gets ignited with -current as target, and that is simply the way it is. If somebody were to stand forward and say, "I'm willing to maintain a tag on the CVS-tree which runs a little behind HEAD, and which is stable", (firest I would question that persons sanity actually), I would think that we may go for it, but any more administrative work, and the core- team will melt. I as a FreeBSD hacker, and as a -core in particular, try to do my best, and that is it really. I cannot do it any better. Sometimes you break code you didn't know were there. I have found so much dead code during my staticization sweep that I'm positively sure nobody else, (including superhumans like Terry :-) knows all of our source and how it fits together, to a level of detail that would allow us to run a "safe shop" in -current. Maybe when the kernel gets more modular, this will be less of a problem, but now, that's the way it is. If you want to help us, but only have one machine, run -stable (2.1.0 presently), and work in user-space. (If you only have one machine, kernel-hacking is very dangerous anyway.) User-space isn't any more boring than the kernel. If you don't belive me do this: cd /usr/src make CFLAGS=-Wall plenty to do :-( FreeBSD needs a lot more than kernel hackers. Go for it :-) Poul-Henning From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 13:16:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA21650 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from kachina.jetcafe.org ([206.117.70.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA21643 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:16:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([127.0.0.1]) by kachina.jetcafe.org (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA28097; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:16:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199512172116.NAA28097@kachina.jetcafe.org> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Subject: Re: I need Help.. 8-) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:16:04 -0800 From: Dave Hayes Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: >I'm afraid I flamed him a bit - it really does annoy me just a tad >when people feel that it'd be faster to annoy thousands of people with >a completely trivial question when *ten seconds* worth of poking >around would answer all their questions. Dude, write an autoresponder. When I was at JPL, where some people were equivalently clueless, I used to get just as annoyed until I figured out how to put auto-replies into exmh. Now I just select the message, and pick the "Mail this user the FAQ" menu item. ------ >>> Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave@jetcafe.org <<< Obstacles are those terrible things you see when you take your eyes off your goal. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 13:50:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24393 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24388 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:50:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id NAA13367 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:50:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id WAA12348 ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:48:07 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id WAA13895 ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:48:05 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id WAA23297; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:29:42 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512172129.WAA23297@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: peter@jhome.dialix.com Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:29:41 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <4b1spu$mou$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> from "Peter Wemm" at Dec 18, 95 03:58:54 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1441 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Peter Wemm said: > Currently, as far as I can tell, the main horror stories being > reported at the moment appear to be coming from AHC driver users > (2740/2840/2940).. My -CURRENT (after Dec. 9 that is) seem stable anough for me but I can't really test them till the problem with my mouse is fixed. The system is fine but I *can't* use X11 without a mouse :-( My modem seems to run fine, sending and receiving megabytes of data but I can't move my mouse a pixel, that's frustrating. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #4: Fri Dec 15 19:22:25 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 13:51:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24426 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24421 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:51:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id NAA13423 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA21864; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:50:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:50:55 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512172150.OAA21864@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop In-Reply-To: <199512171624.LAA17677@shell.monmouth.com> References: <199512171624.LAA17677@shell.monmouth.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk pechter@shell.monmouth.com writes: > Just wanted to announce that FreeBSD 2.0.5-release runs unmodified on a > ThinkPad 365. I'm hacking in the IDE CD support to work out the > installation of additional tools. Does that mean you didn't even have to mess with the console drivers? Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 13:51:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24458 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:51:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24451 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199512172151.NAA24451@freefall.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: peter@jhome.dialix.com Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:51:34 -0800 (PST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4b1spu$mou$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> from "Peter Wemm" at Dec 18, 95 03:58:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Oh! BTW: My system was reliably panicing if I did a 'dd' from a raw > partition with a 1MB block size, in vm_bounce_page_free(). This has > inexplicably stopped some time over the last week or so!! > (Buslogic BT445S VLB card with inability to DMA above 16MB, so bounce > buffers are used). > > -Peter > I tried and could never reproduce it... I *hate* problems like that... But, if people don't complain -- they'll NEVER get fixed... John From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 13:53:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA24745 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:53:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaboon.nai.net (gaboon.nai.net [204.71.31.225]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA24728 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 13:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asv@localhost) by gaboon.nai.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA04869 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:30 -0500 From: Stan Voket Message-Id: <199512172153.QAA04869@gaboon.nai.net> Subject: Mbone on 2.1-stable? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:30 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been studying the mail archives and it seems that 2.1-stable is betwixt and between the fixes and suggestions provided for running sd and vat. Do I need to upgrade /sys/i386/sound with sound.v30.9-19-95.tar.gz from ftp.best.com? I have mrouted3.8, sd, wb, and vat binaries installed already. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. I'm hot to join in at the "FreeBSD Lounge"! Thanks for any help or direction., Stan -- - Stan Voket, asv@gaboon.nai.net - http://gaboon.nai.net - - Voice: 203.746-4489 - FAX 203.746.9761 - TELEX 969.642/CARIN DURY - From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 14:16:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA26886 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:16:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26868 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from aida (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aida (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00465; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:15:55 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:08:45 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: didier@aida.org Organization: My Own FreeBSD-2.1-STABLE Site From: Didier Derny To: "Marc G. Fournier" Subject: RE: PCI Settings on ACER MB... Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 15-Dec-95 "Marc G. Fournier" wrote: >> >Hi... > > I just picked up and installed a new ACER PCI 486DX4-100...and >I swear it isn't faster then my old 386DX40. Pine still takes forever >to loadup, as are most of my applications that are dynamically linked, >and I just hit what is being reported as a 'bus error' signal to cc1 >when I try to compile anything. Hi Im running an acer AL3 mother board with an 486DX4-120 AMD with write back cache >. my previous computer (compaq 386dx20+cyrix 486rx2-40) gave 10 bogomips 40 at morton. now I get 48 bogomips, 265 at norton. and X11 is a real pleasure make world only lasts 10 hours. MIRO S3-964 2mo Vram, AHA2940 + HD SCSI seagate hawk. I also had a 486dx4-100 (write trough) It worked fine. Is your cache correctly configured ? do you have a correct bios configuration ? pine contains many calls to sleep.... > > Now, I've rebooted the machine, and its fine now, so am trying >to recompile the kernel again and will see what happens in that regard. > > Now, its a PCI motherboard, and there are setting here that I >don't much understand, nor know if they have relevance to Unix/FreeBSD >in any regard, good or bad. Any recommendations are much appreciated >on which why they should be set: > > CPU Burst Write (not sure what current is) > Video Shadow (disabled, ATI Mach64 4MB Video Card) > Main BIOS Cacheable (disabled, didn't think Unix used it) > Video Shadow Cacheable (disabled) > LBA Mode (disabled, only one IDE drive, < 500MB) > 32-bit transfer (enabled, IDE) > CPU-to-PCI Memory Post Write Buffer (not sure of setting) > CPU-to-PCI Memory Burst Write (not sure of setting) > > > Those are the only things in the manual that I'm not sure >whether they are applicable to Unix, and how... > >Thanks for any advice on this... > >Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting >scrappy@hub.org | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, > soon to be: | | Information and >scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://hub.org | Communications, Inc > -- 12/17/95 23:08:45 Didier Derny | My computer is Microsoft Free... didier@aida.org | Private FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 14:51:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA00506 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00493 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 14:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.stylo.it (ppp.stylo.italia.com [194.20.23.167]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id IAA05731 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from trust.stylo.it (trust.stylo.it [194.20.21.30]) by unix.stylo.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA06466 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:52:56 +0100 Received: by trust.stylo.it with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30CDA51E@trust.stylo.it>; Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:51:58 W From: Angelo Turetta To: freebsd-hackers Subject: libXt.so.6.0: what's that ?!? Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 16:53:00 W Message-ID: <30CDA51E@trust.stylo.it> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to use TeX (my goal is to print JLaTeX docs about user mode ppp, but I'm now focused on having the plain vanilla version 3.1415 from 2.0.5R packages correctly installed) To test my environment, I decided to print the file /usr/local/lib/texmf/documentation/usrguide.tex. I'm now able to produce a usrguide.dvi without errors, but when I use dvips-5.58 (also from 2.0.5R packages), it tries to compile the font files but it fails with: ld.so: mf: libXt.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 I've searched this library all over the two CDs, but I cannot find it. Any idea on where should I look for it, and why pkg_add did not install it ??? Thanks in advance Angelo. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 15:25:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA04142 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from haven.uniserve.com (haven.uniserve.com [198.53.215.121]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA04123 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by haven.uniserve.com id <30740-2>; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:27:23 -0000 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:27:17 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: John Dyson cc: paul@netcraft.co.uk, jkh@time.cdrom.com, andreas@knobel.gun.de, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-Reply-To: <199512171731.JAA09419@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk While this discussion about -current is all very nice, but what I want to know, is anyone still doing bug-hunting through the -stable tree? Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:17:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA09604 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09593 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id PAA27586 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:42:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02300; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:39:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199512122339.PAA02300@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:46:01 EST." <199512121546.KAA04294@etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:39:52 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> dennis said: > > It seems from this discussion that what you really want to do is set up a pa id > consultants network...which is much different than an O/S support arm. If yo u > want to make money doing what you now do for nothing...there's nothing wrong > with that, but you can't make FreeBSD "kind-of" commercial without substanti ally > changing it's focus. Gosh Dennis --- you are the man!! We could have a web page advertising people whose consulting services are available. I wouldn't mine getting a T1 if FreeBSD related contracts paid for it and in return I promise to flood the net with voice/video and carry a bigger make that a much bigger ftp site 8) 8) Enjoy, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:35:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10712 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10694 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:35:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from csugrad.cs.vt.edu (csugrad.cs.vt.edu [128.173.41.74]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id NAA23281 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (jagnew@localhost) by csugrad.cs.vt.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id QAA06656; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:49:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:49:25 -0500 (EST) From: "H. Jared Agnew" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: -c boot problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I guess nobody can help me with my problem that I mailed a week ago. Thanks for the help that I got though. I figure my best bet now is to create a boot.flp that will install to his system and is already configured to his system. I have pulled down the src/srelease files and would like to compile a boot.flp. I have asked on IRC a few times and posted to questions and nobody knows what I have to do. Is there somewhere that I can find out how to create a boot.flp or does someone have instructions. Sorry for mailing this probably to you all non hacker question to this list, but I couldn't find someone who knew!!! :*) thanks --- Jared --jared@vt.edu Sorry about spelling, must be line noise over my ethernet connection! |------------------------------------| ____ ____ | H. Jared Agnew | jared@vt.edu | | __| | __| | http://csugrad.cs.vt.edu/~jagnew | | |__ | |__ | phone : (540) 232-4438 | | ___| |___ | | alias : killdash9 | | |__ __| | |------------------------------------| |____| . |____| . From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:38:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA10982 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:38:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10960 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04853; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:38:48 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA01438; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:39:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199512180039.QAA01438@corbin.Root.COM> To: Tom Samplonius cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 95 15:27:17 PST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:39:26 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > While this discussion about -current is all very nice, but what I want >to know, is anyone still doing bug-hunting through the -stable tree? Yes, fixes are going into -stable *slowly* (just as they should be). -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:40:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11151 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11146 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:40:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from itsdsv1.enc.edu (itsdsv1.enc.edu [199.93.252.241]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id KAA14464 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:39:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from owensc@localhost) by itsdsv1.enc.edu (8.6.11/8.7.2 rev 08/22/95) id NAA18020; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:35:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:35:52 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Owens To: hackers list FreeBSD Subject: Atalk Serving with FreeBSD Discussion List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Seasons Greetings! I am setting up a mailing list to facilitate communication between folks who are trying to provide Appletalk services using FreeBSD (NetAtalk, CAP, etc.). Our beloved operating system has much to offer in this regard, but there's work to be done to polish things up and to better support those who are trying to implement such services. Make yourself heard!!!! If you're interested, send a note to fbsd-request@enc.edu Post all contributions to the list to fbsd-atalk@enc.edu Feel free to tell others about this list. For now, I'm maintaining it by hand, but I'll switch to majordomo if need be. Please join! --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:43:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA11269 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA11234 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA04868; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:43:14 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA01454; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:43:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199512180043.QAA01454@corbin.Root.COM> To: sos@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 95 20:46:42 +0100." <199512171946.UAA14386@ra.dkuug.dk> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:43:52 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >I run -currrent (up until last week) on my machine at TFS.com >> >and I have had NO troubles with it... >> >> I have had only one serious problem (2 core dumps apparently caused by >> some vm change in the last month). > >You must have another current than most of us :) :) Actually, I haven't had any problems with -current, either. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:53:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12657 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from GndRsh.aac.dev.com (GndRsh.aac.dev.com [198.145.92.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12636 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rgrimes@localhost) by GndRsh.aac.dev.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA11101; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:03 -0800 From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199512180053.QAA11101@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: phk@freefall.freebsd.org (Poul-Henning Kamp) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <19611.819233434@freefall.freebsd.org> from "Poul-Henning Kamp" at Dec 17, 95 12:50:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ... > > I have had only one serious problem (2 core dumps apparently caused by > > some vm change in the last month). > > I have some bogons, but they are quite likely HW actually. (Don't worry > Rod, I just have not got around to flash the boot-patition correctly :-). When you do go to flash it, get the 112 version of the BIOS for the PCI/I-P55TP4XE board as I have qualified that here. Be sure to update both the BIOS and the bios boot-partition (requires you to move the MB jumper to enable write to the bios boot-code) and then clear the ESCD. One thing you might try without going to the newest BIOS is drop the PCI latency timer to 32 clocks, seems ASUS has found that this works best as the 80 clocks was just to long for some boards and causes some problems. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com Accurate Automation Company Reliable computers for FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:53:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA12719 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA12687 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA16914; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:52:20 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512180052.TAA16914@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:52:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-chat@freefall.FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: <199512172150.OAA21864@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 17, 95 02:50:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > pechter@shell.monmouth.com writes: > > Just wanted to announce that FreeBSD 2.0.5-release runs unmodified on a > > ThinkPad 365. I'm hacking in the IDE CD support to work out the > > installation of additional tools. > > Does that mean you didn't even have to mess with the console drivers? > > > Nate > Absolutely. This is a different chipset than the 755/760/701 and 350/360 series. It's a chips & techologies video set. I don't know about the keyboard controller. Seems pretty standard. Uses a Phoenix 1.03 bios rev with a Cyrix (according to FreeBSD's probe) 486DLC (I think it was a DLC). Consider the 365 a FreeBSD success story -- Linux can't seem to handle it. Step 1. Rawrite floppy. Step 2. Copy dists/bin to /FreeBSD/bin on the dos partition. Step 3. Boot. Step 4. Install minimum 2.05 system. Step 5. Add the wdc atapi support from /incoming. Step 6. Build new kernel (still working on getting this working with APM psm -- however WCD support works now...) Step 7. Still working on getting X11 up. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 16:58:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA13493 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:58:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (pechter@shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA13482 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA17270; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:57:23 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512180057.TAA17270@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop To: hlew@genome.Stanford.EDU (Howard Lew) Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:57:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: from "Howard Lew" at Dec 17, 95 12:29:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > On Sun, 17 Dec 1995, Bill/Carolyn Pechter wrote: > > > Just wanted to announce that FreeBSD 2.0.5-release runs unmodified on a > > ThinkPad 365. I'm hacking in the IDE CD support to work out the > > installation of additional tools. > > > > Bill > > (waiting for 2.1.0 CD to test that...) > > How much memory is on that? > > > 8mb. Minimum memory on the ThinkPad 365 series is 8mb max is 24 (I think). There's 4 and 16mb expansion available from IBM. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 17:09:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA14787 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14773 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id MAA20207 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 12:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01656; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:20:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512122020.NAA01656@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:20:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, dennis@etinc.com, julian@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <17017.818733582@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 11, 95 05:59:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Basically it's one of those double-edged swords, like merging with > > > NetBSD. A lot of really enticing benefits on the surface but a host > > > of sticky problems to solve underneath. > > > > Like how do you deal with suddenly running on 12 more platforms for > > nearly free. > > No, it's how do you deal with suddenly being forced to do release > engineering for 12 platforms where one was formerly enough to drive > the release engineer to early retirement? By making the administrative interfaces for all system identical, and by data-driving those areas where it's not possible to resolve the interface conflicts. CV: my more recent articles on logical device management in a devfs framework. It's an engineering problem, not a management problem. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 18:08:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22077 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22072 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id GAA02440 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 06:05:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA15673; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:02:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199512121402.IAA15673@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Video capture In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:27:37 +0100." <11428.818756857@critter.tfs.com> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:01:58 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Apparently, Poul-Henning Kamp scribbled: > > > There also appears to be a SCSI bus chip on the board at the > > > "other end" near a SCSI bus pin out: > > > > > > ZILOG > > > Z0538010VSC > > > SCSI > > > 9411 L4 > > This is indeed a 5380 kind of chip. The nca driver may or may not > work with it, we need more data to be able to tell. > You will probably have to disassemble a dos-driver for it to find out. I have the Vivo driver for it. Somewhere. I've got no idea how to even *begin* to do something like that... Not afraid to do it, just clueless on Winblows/DOG... On the other hand, I'm willing to give it the ol' College Frob. I've now got a 53C810 PCI/SCSI card. I should be able to connect the internal cable from the SCSI card to the video capture card and see if the device even probed... Is that the thing to try? Wildly optimistic, if that appears to work, what is the application level software that I would even attempt to use then? Gak. Clueless, jdl From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 18:18:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA22623 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA22618 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:18:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA20108; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:37:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:37:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199512180237.VAA20108@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Wilko Bulte From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: sio overruns on 2.0.5R Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >> >> I used an AST/4 with 16550A chips without a single silo overflow. >> >> >> I also have the impression the UUCP datarate is now slower than >> >> >> before. >> >> >> >> >> >> This is a 14K4 modem BTW, on a 57600 baud line. >> >> >> >> >I hate to sound like a broken record, but are you *sure* you're using >> >> >flow-control? Can you use stty on the connected end to make sure? >> >> >> >> Er, flow control has no effect on silo overflows. >> >> >> >> Perhaps the problem is a downgrade to a bus-hogging DMA controller. >> >> >> >> Bruce >> > >> >Time for some more data: it is 205R, and two SCSI-1 Micropolis >> >(1x 300, 1x670 Mb) on an NCR810. And a PCI 928 S3 vga card. >> > >> >I see no hog here... >> >> I see 2 potential hogs..... >> >> db > >And those are?? Every card is a "potential" hog. Doesn't have to be much of a hog to cause this problem. db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 18:41:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23752 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23739 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10373; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:40:51 -0800 Message-Id: <199512180240.SAA10373@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Jon Loeliger cc: Poul-Henning Kamp , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Video capture In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:01:58 CST." <199512121402.IAA15673@chrome.jdl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:40:50 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >>> Jon Loeliger said: > > Wildly optimistic, if that appears to work, what is the application > level software that I would even attempt to use then? > Hi, If you ever managed to get your video capture board to work then there are a couple of video apps you can check out: vic or nv. Both you can find in the ports/net section on ftp.freebsd.org. Good Luck, Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 18:42:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA23826 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:42:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA23819 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:42:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10335; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:37:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199512180237.SAA10335@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Stan Voket cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Mbone on 2.1-stable? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:30 EST." <199512172153.QAA04869@gaboon.nai.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 18:37:30 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Feel free to download rah.star-gate.com:/pub/Vat.info it has a few things on how to run vat if you are running -stable then you don't need to get the sound driver . Feel free to download the binary: rah.star-gate.com:/pub/vic2.7a31.tar.gz You need that to watch video or if you have a matrox meteor pci capture board to transmit video. Last but not least you need a tunnel. If you have any problems with any of the tools or the tunnel feel free to send me e-mail. If you are all setup then all you need to do is just run sd and double click on the menu item "FreeBSD Lounge" to step in chat, etc.. 8) If you don't have audio just type something on the whiteboard so people don't try to talk to you ... To keep up with the multimedia tools and development join: mail majordomo@star-gate.com subscribe multimedia Right now we are in the midst of testing yet another release of the sound driver . The major functionality is full duplex audio to the same device. With the prior sound driver release we where using two sound device for full duplex operations on cards capable of full duplex audio. Hang out on FreeBSD Lounge -- Global audio/video/text conferencing -- Amancio >>> Stan Voket said: > Hello, > > I have been studying the mail archives and it seems that 2.1-stable is > betwixt and between the fixes and suggestions provided for running > sd and vat. > > Do I need to upgrade /sys/i386/sound with sound.v30.9-19-95.tar.gz from > ftp.best.com? > > I have mrouted3.8, sd, wb, and vat binaries installed already. > Any pointers will be greatly appreciated. I'm hot to join in at the > "FreeBSD Lounge"! > > Thanks for any help or direction., > > Stan > > -- > - Stan Voket, asv@gaboon.nai.net - http://gaboon.nai.net - > - Voice: 203.746-4489 - FAX 203.746.9761 - TELEX 969.642/CARIN DURY - > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 19:58:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA27783 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27763 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 19:57:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA03733; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:40:34 GMT Message-Id: <199512180340.DAA03733@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 03:40:33 +0000 In-Reply-To: Julian Elischer's message of Dec 17, 11:42pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I think the problem of a less-stable-than-usual -current is basically self-fixing (users yell; contributors think about how they might improve their testing), and requires no fundamental change in philosophy. People should either run releases or snaps, or be prepared to help on the debugging (how about enabling DDB by default in -current GENERIC? ;-) These choices are a wonderful part of this project. I'm speaking as one who lives dangerously with -current on my only home system, backup device at the ready, and very rarely has to boot /kernel.old for a few days. Mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 20:27:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA00149 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA00106 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:27:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA06729; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:56:57 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199512180426.OAA06729@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Video capture To: jdl@jdl.com (Jon Loeliger) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:56:57 +1030 (CST) Cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512121402.IAA15673@chrome.jdl.com> from "Jon Loeliger" at Dec 12, 95 08:01:58 am MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jon Loeliger stands accused of saying: > >>>> There also appears to be a SCSI bus chip on the board at the >>>> "other end" near a SCSI bus pin out: >>>> >>>> ZILOG >>>> Z0538010VSC >>>> SCSI >>>> 9411 L4 ... > I have the Vivo driver for it. Somewhere. I've got no idea how > to even *begin* to do something like that... Not afraid to do it, > just clueless on Winblows/DOG... > > On the other hand, I'm willing to give it the ol' College Frob. > I've now got a 53C810 PCI/SCSI card. I should be able to connect > the internal cable from the SCSI card to the video capture card > and see if the device even probed... Is that the thing to try? Not if I understand the situation correctly; this is a video capture card with an onboard SCSI controller, not a video capture card with a SCSI interface. > Wildly optimistic, if that appears to work, what is the application > level software that I would even attempt to use then? Well, you would have another SCSI bus for putting peripherals on, that's all. > jdl -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 20:56:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA01567 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:56:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from linus.demon.co.uk (linus.demon.co.uk [158.152.10.220]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01562 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 20:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mark@localhost) by linus.demon.co.uk (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA00244 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:57:08 GMT Message-Id: <199512180457.EAA00244@linus.demon.co.uk> From: mark@linus.demon.co.uk (Mark Valentine) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:57:07 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(3) 7/19/95) To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: unable to dump to sd0b Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to get a kernel dump for the first time on a FreeBSD-current system, but it won't dump for me: dumping to dev 401, offset 49152 dump 16 aha0: Invalid CCB or segment list device bad The numbers all look right (16MB system, with around 40MB swap on sd0b, using an AHA152C). I'm using dumpon(8) - there's no dump device statically configured. I tried an old kernel I had lying around (early September), with the same results. Any ideas what might be wrong here? Mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 21:07:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA02371 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA02364 Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:07:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA10399; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:03:52 -0800 To: Bruce Evans cc: andreas@knobel.gun.de, julian@jhome.dialix.com, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:11:27 +1100." <199512171911.GAA17231@godzilla.zeta.org.au> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:03:51 -0800 Message-ID: <10396.819263031@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> Hi FreeBSD core team ! > >> > >> [ Possibly I'm speaking for many other people here ] > >It's possible. > > Possibly for non-developers :-). I think that's something of a cheap shot. Even developers aren't always blessed with a surfeit of hardware. I mentioned that I myself had been somewhat "scared away" from -current, namely because the only machine I have available for running -current is also my gateway machine, and if it starts crashing I'm off the air. I like being able to run current and see what people are up to, helping out if I can, but I can't afford to be radically destabilised by it, and I think a lot of other folks are saying here that they can't either. JOrdan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 21:59:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA05409 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from s.wipinfo.soft.net (s.wipinfo.soft.net [164.164.6.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05404 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 21:59:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by s.wipinfo.soft.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04626; Mon, 18 Dec 95 11:33:53 IST Received: from comm10 by rolex.rnd.blr (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13171; Mon, 18 Dec 95 11:33:29+050 Received: (from rajr@localhost) by comm10 (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA08018 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:29:39 -0500 From: Rajesh R Message-Id: <199512181629.LAA08018@comm10> Subject: Join Free-BSD To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:29:39 -0500 (GMT-0500) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I would like to join FreeBSD development. I am working in Communications group of Wipro Infotech R&D, which is developing IP/IPX - LAN to LAN routers. Currently I am doing a study on adding ISDN support to our routers. I have experience in administering Uxix Networks , SOCKS servers and Mail-servers. I will be realy greatful if you allow me to join FreeBSD software development. Thanking you in advance . Regards -rajesh -- \\|// (o o) ------ Rajesh R ------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------- rajr@wipinfo.soft.net ------ Software Engineer (R&D) Wipro Infotech Ph : 91-80-5588422 5th floor, SB Tower, 88-MG Road, Bangalore Fx : 91-80-5586970 India - 560001 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Dec 17 22:41:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA07171 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA07165 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 1995 22:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA14287 ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:41:23 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA15009 ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:41:23 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id BAA00494; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:21:10 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512180021.BAA00494@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: libXt.so.6.0: what's that ?!? To: turetta@trust.stylo.it (Angelo Turetta) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:21:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <30CDA51E@trust.stylo.it> from "Angelo Turetta" at Dec 12, 95 04:53:00 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Angelo Turetta said: > ld.so: mf: libXt.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 > > I've searched this library all over the two CDs, but I cannot find it. > > Any idea on where should I look for it, and why pkg_add did not install it It is as the name implies part of X11R6 (it is the Xt toolkit shared library). METAFONT can be compiled with the X libraries in order to be able to display rendering of characters on screen. The solution is to install X11 and use it. You'll need it for xdvi anyway. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 00:25:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA10812 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:25:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA10807 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:25:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA14517; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:25:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199512180825.JAA14517@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: libXt.so.6.0: what's that ?!? To: turetta@trust.stylo.it (Angelo Turetta) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:25:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <30CDA51E@trust.stylo.it> from "Angelo Turetta" at Dec 12, 95 04:53:00 pm From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I'm trying to use TeX (my goal is to print JLaTeX docs about user mode ppp, > but I'm now focused on having the plain vanilla version 3.1415 from 2.0.5R > packages correctly installed) > > To test my environment, I decided to print the file > /usr/local/lib/texmf/documentation/usrguide.tex. > I'm now able to produce a usrguide.dvi without errors, but when I use > dvips-5.58 (also from 2.0.5R packages), it tries to compile the font files > but it fails with: > > ld.so: mf: libXt.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 > > I've searched this library all over the two CDs, but I cannot find it. It's in the XF8631x distribution - I don't recall for the moment whether 2.0.5 contained dists/XF86311 or dists/XF86312, anyway, do a tar zxvf /cdrom/dists/XF86312/X312bin.tgz -C /usr ( or where your cdrom is mounted.y You may require a couple of other X libs - if you want to see which ones, type ldd dvips). > > Any idea on where should I look for it, and why pkg_add did not install it > ??? > > Thanks in advance > > Angelo. > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 00:37:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA11277 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA10998 Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:31:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (134.100.239.2) with smtp id ; Mon, 18 Dec 95 09:28 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for hackers@FreeBSD.org id ; Mon, 18 Dec 95 09:28 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01417; Mon, 18 Dec 95 09:17:38 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9512180817.AA01417@wavehh.hanse.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? To: Andreas@wavehh.hanse.de, Klemm@wavehh.hanse.de, Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:17:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As I am the one who is named here, let me just clarify what my position is. I couldn't decide whether running NetBSD or FreeBSD is the better system for my work. I wrote down some of the experiences and made them available by WWW. In this document, I explained that one reason I feel more comfortable with NetBSD for now is that I can have one machine running -current for production use. Every problem I encounter can be fixed on that machine and the fix can be brought back into -current (actually, the NetBSD community is quite active in those system parts I encounter problems in and most problems are fixed before I get my diffs ready). Or in other words, NetBSD makes it easier to engage in a useful way without investing too much time, while engaging in FreeBSD would require more work (but possibly pay back more). I think the way FreeBSD organizes things by now is just right for their (your, our) needs. Having only one source tree as NetBSD does (ok, sort of) is not an option because much more modifications are done and one experimental vehicle is needed. I don't see how having a third source tree could help, since I can't imagine a mechanism to keep the "middle" one (that one that could qualify for production use) to the stability that is needed. The NetBSD way of organizing development just doesn't fit what I think FreeBSD is. The URL of the comparison is http://www.leo.org/pub/comp/os/bsd/cracauer/ The document is available in German language only. I consider the German version a "beta test", with the options of either translating it after some people looked over it or to remove it if I have to take too much heat. BTW, I'm just snarfing FreeBSD-current to get an own impression of how stable it is. I'm pretty sure, though, that it is usable, but not as usable for a production system as NetBSD-current is. Happy Hacking Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer - Fax +49 40 522 85 36 BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany - No NeXTMail anymore, please. Copyright 1995. Redistribution via Microsoft Network is prohibited From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 00:46:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA11527 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:46:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA11521 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:45:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from lucy.physik.fu-berlin.de (lucy.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.186]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA11826; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:45:25 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by lucy.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA07524; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:45:24 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512180845.JAA07524@lucy.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: looking for testers / reviewers To: vazquez@IQM.Unicamp.BR (Pedro A M Vazquez) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:45:23 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512171211.MAA15488@kalypso.iqm.unicamp.br> from "Pedro A M Vazquez" at Dec 17, 95 12:11:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Thomas Graichen said: > > > > hello > > > > now i got it all together - some new stuff plan to commit (import / > > change) between christmas and new year if nobody has something against > > it (i asked for that some weeks ago - i'll apend this mail at the end) > > > > ok - now what is it - nothing very big: > > > > * a new f2c - completely new "ported" to FreeBSD (taken from > > ftp.netlib.org today - december the 16th) - including a new > > self-written man-page for the f77 driver program (there hasn't such > > a thing before) - i talked to the old maintainer and he said that he > > does'nt have the time currently to keep it up to date - thus i'll > > try it now > > > Thomas > Does the f77 driver understands .F files as needing a preprocessor > to create the .f ones before f2c processing? > This is a common usage in several fortran environments. > Pedro > doesn't look like - but i'll put it on my list t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 01:32:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA13706 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA13693 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21516; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:30:58 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jon Loeliger cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Video capture In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:01:58 CST." <199512121402.IAA15673@chrome.jdl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:30:57 +0100 Message-ID: <21514.819279057@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Apparently, Poul-Henning Kamp scribbled: > > > > There also appears to be a SCSI bus chip on the board at the > > > > "other end" near a SCSI bus pin out: > > > > > > > > ZILOG > > > > Z0538010VSC > > > > SCSI > > > > 9411 L4 > > > > This is indeed a 5380 kind of chip. The nca driver may or may not > > work with it, we need more data to be able to tell. > > You will probably have to disassemble a dos-driver for it to find out. > > I have the Vivo driver for it. Somewhere. I've got no idea how > to even *begin* to do something like that... Not afraid to do it, > just clueless on Winblows/DOG... My best suggestion then: forget it. > On the other hand, I'm willing to give it the ol' College Frob. > I've now got a 53C810 PCI/SCSI card. I should be able to connect If you have one of these, then just forget about the other chip. the 5380 is a very limited gadget. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 01:38:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA14357 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14343 Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:38:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21485; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:27:05 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Rodney W. Grimes" cc: phk@freefall.freebsd.org (Poul-Henning Kamp), current@FreeBSD.org, hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 1995 16:53:03 PST." <199512180053.QAA11101@GndRsh.aac.dev.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:27:04 +0100 Message-ID: <21483.819278824@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > ... > > > I have had only one serious problem (2 core dumps apparently caused by > > > some vm change in the last month). > > > > I have some bogons, but they are quite likely HW actually. (Don't worry > > Rod, I just have not got around to flash the boot-patition correctly :-). > > When you do go to flash it, get the 112 version of the BIOS for the > PCI/I-P55TP4XE board as I have qualified that here. Be sure to update > both the BIOS and the bios boot-partition (requires you to move the MB > jumper to enable write to the bios boot-code) and then clear the ESCD. I know, that why I havn't done it yet, I need to move all the X-mas presents away to get to the server... > One thing you might try without going to the newest BIOS is drop the > PCI latency timer to 32 clocks, seems ASUS has found that this works > best as the 80 clocks was just to long for some boards and causes some > problems. will try. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 01:40:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA14660 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from jau.csc.fi (root@jau.csc.fi [193.166.1.196]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA14653 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:40:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jau@localhost) by jau.csc.fi (8.6.12/8.6.12+CSC-2.1) id LAA09745; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:38:51 +0200 From: Jukka Ukkonen Message-Id: <199512180938.LAA09745@jau.csc.fi> Subject: Re: rusers(3) & rnusers(3) To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:38:50 +0200 (EET) Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512172039.NAA09925@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Dec 17, 95 01:39:29 pm Latin-Date: Lunti XVIII Decembrie a.d. MCMXCV Organization: Private person Phone: +358-0-6215280 (home) Content-Conversion: prohibited X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoting Terry Lambert: > > > > After getting a bit frustrated of not having the library routines > > > rusers(3) and rnusers(3) available on FreeBSD I wrote them as well > > > as the underlying xdr_utmpidlearr etc. I have tested them to work > > > > Cool! Anybody going to pick this one up? Should I? > > Note that it was not posted under BSD license. It was limited such > that you are not allowed to sell it. Well, my note did not say you should not sell e.g. a CD containing the code I sent. Selling the CD is really charging for packaging together the freely available code in a single distribution media. If the same FreeBSD distribution is available in the net for anyone to take at will, it surely counts as freely available. Selling the CD is not charging for the packaged software per se, but in fact charging for the service (collection & maintenance of the software etc.) and the media. So, there is no problem there. Don't panic. Neither does such a note prevent anyone from using FreeBSD as the operating system for some other product or service e.g. a firewall system that one is about to sell to someone. Notice also that I sent the code to others to test and review. The actual licensing terms can be adjusted to a more suitable and more formal representation later if necessary (maybe to BSD or GNU style) if you think you wish to include the code in the FreeBSD distribution. (The same goes naturally for NetBSD or Linux or whatever freely available UNIX style OS, which you can grab from the net.) My note simply meant that you can distribute the code without limitation to anyone who is interested, but _for the moment_ I am still the owner of the rights to it, whether there is any "intellectual" property contained in it or not. Cheers, // jau ------ / Jukka A. Ukkonen, FUNET / Centre for Scientific Computing /__ M.Sc. (sw-eng & cs) Tel: (Home) +358-0-6215280 / Internet: ukkonen@csc.fi (Work) +358-0-4573208 / Internet: jau@funet.fi (Mobile) +358-400-606671 v X.400: c=fi, admd=fumail, no prmd, org=csc, pn=jukka.ukkonen From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 01:50:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA16075 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (ki1.Chemie.FU-Berlin.DE [160.45.24.21]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA15774 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 01:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from mail.hanse.de (134.100.239.2) with smtp id ; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:47 MET Received: from wavehh.UUCP by mail.hanse.de with UUCP for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org id ; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:47 MET Received: by wavehh.hanse.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02837; Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:34:54 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 10:34:54 +0100 From: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de (Martin Cracauer) Message-Id: <9512180934.AA02837@wavehh.hanse.de> To: grog@ora.COM Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE Newsgroups: hanse-ml.freebsd.hackers References: <200012162311.AAA07085@mordillo> <199512171140.GAA17924@ruby.ora.com> Reply-To: cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk grog@ora.COM (Greg Lehey) wrote: >Thomas Graichen writes: >> >> by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like >> an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the >> redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get >> an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this >> may lead to another article (we'll see ...) >I used to write articles for iX, and found them to be some of the most >difficult people I have ever dealt with. They kept changing my texts >to fit their (strange) viewpoint of the world. If you *do* go ahead >with this idea (which I still think is good), make *very* certain that >they print what you write, and not what they think. Exactly my experience. Back in 1992, they hacked up articles of mine in an inacceptable way, even comfusing the CPU cache and the filesystem buffer cache. I wrote two articles for them and both were almost completly rewritten and printed without a single feedback to me. This is almost worse since I have been promised that it would not happen again after the first of these articles. I was in contact with UNIXopen before Lars' article and asked whether then would promise to let me review the last edited version of my artices and the answer was basically "no", although this "no" was about 1 kilobyte long. IMHO, email makes the turnaround time so short that editors could change their mind a bit. If the author doesn't answer within 8 working hours, too bad for him, but give him a change. For now, WWW is the better option for serious publishing of technical articles. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer - Fax +49 40 522 85 36 BSD User Group Hamburg, Germany - No NeXTMail anymore, please. Copyright 1995. Redistribution via Microsoft Network is prohibited From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 04:43:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA24194 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:43:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA24189 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (julia.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.235]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA26573; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:43:24 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA11221; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:43:23 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512181243.NAA11221@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:43:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <7792.819191579@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 17, 95 01:12:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like > > an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the > > redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get > > an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this > > may lead to another article (we'll see ...) > > I spoke with the Chefredactur at CeBIT last year and he was fairly > enthusiastic - he even showed me http://www.freebsd.org in his list of > Netscape bookmarks. :-) > > You might mention the December article in BYTE to them, if they need > another reference (it often helps to point out what their competition > is doing :-) and let them know that I'm more than happy to discuss the > matter with them further, if they so wish. > > Jordan > he answered again - negativ: * * > * > Ok, ich schlags auf der Redaktionskonferenz vor und * > melde mich gegen Ende der Woche. * > * ... was nun schon wieder eine weile her ist ... :-) * *Stimmt; ich hatte vergessen, mich zu melden. Es fand *eigentlich niemand, dass die Aenderungen gegenueber 2.0 *so relevant sind, dass ein neuer Test zu rechtfertigen *ist (machen wir auch bei anderen Betriebssystemen *nicht). * *Das soll nicht heissen, dass wir nichts zu BSD machen *wollen. Ein Erfahrungsbericht ueber Router-Einsatz o.ae. *waere vielleicht sinnvoller. in english: nobody in the redaction conference (i hope there's such a word in english :-) found that the changes of 2.1 against 2.0 are relevant to make a new article (we don't do it for other systems too) would eventually better to make an article about using it as a router :-( t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 04:55:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA24603 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:55:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA24183 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 04:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA00811; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:12:59 +0100 From: Wolfram Schneider Received: (wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA23098; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:12:54 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:12:54 +0100 Message-Id: <199512181212.NAA23098@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> To: David Hovemeyer Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mmap and memory utilization In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David Hovemeyer writes: >What I am wondering is > > What is the impact of mmap'ing a large file and then > scanning linearly through it? mmap is your friend if the file size is less than 1/2 of memory and if you read the file more than once. Example: locate(1) with mmap and without mmap (fopen, getc) $ ls -l find.codes -rw-rw-r-- 1 wosch 14549501 Dec 18 06:45 find.codes $ uname -s -r SunOS 5.4 (FreeBSD mmap seems a little bit slower than solaris mmap or FreeBSD getc is faster than solaris getc :-) o with mmap $ time ../../bin/sol2/blocate -m -d find.codes woscH real 5.5 user 3.1 sys 0.3 bash$ time ../../bin/sol2/blocate -m -d find.codes woscH real 3.3 user 3.0 sys 0.1 bash$ time ../../bin/sol2/blocate -m -d find.codes woscH real 3.4 user 3.0 sys 0.1 o without mmap $ time ../../bin/sol2/blocate -d find.codes woscH real 6.7 user 4.9 sys 1.1 bash$ time ../../bin/sol2/blocate -d find.codes woscH real 7.0 user 4.9 sys 0.9 bash$ time ../../bin/sol2/blocate -d find.codes woscH real 6.6 user 5.0 sys 0.9 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 05:03:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA24924 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24918 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:03:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA06143 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:49:03 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA28468; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:47:41 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03343; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:54:38 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512180854.JAA03343@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: -c boot problem To: jagnew@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (H. Jared Agnew) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:54:37 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "H. Jared Agnew" at Dec 12, 95 04:49:25 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As H. Jared Agnew wrote: > > I guess nobody can help me with my problem that I mailed a week ago. > Thanks for the help that I got though. I figure my best bet now is to > create a boot.flp that will install to his system and is already > configured to his system. I have pulled down the src/srelease files and > would like to compile a boot.flp. I have asked on IRC a few times and > posted to questions and nobody knows what I have to do. Is there > somewhere that I can find out how to create a boot.flp or does someone > have instructions. No news is good news? To create a boot floppy, you need ~ 400 MB free space, in order to run ``make release''. You also need a full CVS tree, or you must tweak the Makefiles to work without CVS. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 05:06:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25085 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA25077 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA06223; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:53:31 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA28502; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:53:31 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA04123; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:23:21 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512180923.KAA04123@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: libXt.so.6.0: what's that ?!? To: turetta@trust.stylo.it (Angelo Turetta) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:23:21 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <30CDA51E@trust.stylo.it> from "Angelo Turetta" at Dec 12, 95 04:53:00 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Angelo Turetta wrote: > > ld.so: mf: libXt.so.6.0: Undefined error: 0 > > I've searched this library all over the two CDs, but I cannot find it. It's an X11R6 shared library for the X Toolkit (Xt). Seems you need to install X11 in order to run your program. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 05:14:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25428 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA25422 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (julia.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.235]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA11054 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:09:54 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA11431 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:09:53 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512181309.OAA11431@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: /etc/daily.local etc. To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:09:53 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk just'n idea from the openbsd-lists: how about something like if [ -f /etc/daily.local ]; then sh /etc/daily.local fi - this would make it possible to add something to the daily file without doing any changes in /etc/daily (very good for upgrading) ? - the same for weekly and monthly too - i make make the changes then i commit newsyslog (then i have to remove the logfilerotation by hand from there) - any pro's or con's ? t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 05:15:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA25478 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:15:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA25463 Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA11611; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:13:01 -0800 To: Tom Samplonius cc: John Dyson , paul@netcraft.co.uk, andreas@knobel.gun.de, current@FreeBSD.ORG, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 1995 15:27:17 PST." Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:13:01 -0800 Message-ID: <11609.819292381@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk We usually do this in "sweeps", where you try to merge in as many "obvious bug fixes" as you can without getting too out of control. I don't think anyone's quite worked up the bottle to do it again for 2.1.1 just yet. :-) Jordan > While this discussion about -current is all very nice, but what I want > to know, is anyone still doing bug-hunting through the -stable tree? > > Tom From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 05:34:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26402 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA26397 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:34:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA11700; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:31:21 -0800 To: Rajesh R Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Join Free-BSD In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:29:39 EST." <199512181629.LAA08018@comm10> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:31:20 -0800 Message-ID: <11698.819293480@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear Rajesh, Thank you for your kind offer! I've also forwarded this mail to John Hay, our IPX kernel hacker, and requested that someone in the IPX community please contact you as soon as possible (if they have not already). Lacking any information on your areas of interest for FreeBSD are, I'm assuming that you'd wish to do something connected with your day job? Please do let me know if that is an unreasonable assumption! Given that most are also volunteers here, it's difficult to guess the pace at which changes will happen in your particular field(s) of interest, but you're certainly welcome to suggest ideas or goals of your own that might serve as "rallying points" for others in the same interest group(s). I think you'll find most people here quite receptive to new ideas! Please also let me know if you have any specific questions. Chapter 17 of the FreeBSD Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook) does contain a fair bit of information about working with the project, and is suggested reading. Best regards, Jordan > Hi, > I would like to join FreeBSD development. > > I am working in Communications group of Wipro Infotech R&D, which is > developing IP/IPX - LAN to LAN routers. Currently I am doing a study on > adding ISDN support to our routers. I have experience in administering Uxix > Networks , SOCKS servers and Mail-servers. > > I will be realy greatful if you allow me to join FreeBSD software > development. > > Thanking you in advance . > > Regards > -rajesh > > -- > \\|// > (o o) > ------ Rajesh R ------------oOO-(_)-OOo----------- rajr@wipinfo.soft.net --- --- > Software Engineer (R&D) > Wipro Infotech Ph : 91-80-5588422 > 5th floor, SB Tower, > 88-MG Road, Bangalore Fx : 91-80-5586970 > India - 560001 > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 05:49:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA26927 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA26922 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA11765; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:41:48 -0800 To: Thomas Graichen cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:43:22 +0100." <199512181243.NAA11221@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 05:41:48 -0800 Message-ID: <11763.819294108@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > nobody in the redaction conference (i hope there's such a word in english :-) > found that the changes of 2.1 against 2.0 are relevant to make a new article > (we don't do it for other systems too) > > would eventually better to make an article about using it as a router Not negative at all, I can even sort of agree with them - another article about simply the *release* of FreeBSD, when they've already just done one about the 2.0 release (they did, I have it, it was a reasonably sized article!), wouldn't make a lot of sense. But an article for actually doing something *useful* with it - that's what they want and it's a good direction to go in! He said as much, so why not take him up on the idea? Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 06:49:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA29404 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA29399 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 06:49:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA00827 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:46:09 -0500 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199512181446.JAA00827@rk.ios.com> Subject: Any luck with Apache/SSl from c2.org ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:46:09 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 07:01:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00205 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:01:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rk.ios.com (rk.ios.com [198.4.75.55]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00196 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rashid@localhost) by rk.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA00854 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:57:43 -0500 From: Rashid Karimov Message-Id: <199512181457.JAA00854@rk.ios.com> Subject: Any luck with Apache/SSl from c2.org ??? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:57:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there folx, I'm sorry for the empty message with the same subj. - my fault :( Here goes : I know that guys at c2.org are pretty busy with making the subj. to work with SSleay 350a - probably we can help them to finish/polish the thing sooner by this discussion here. A couple of days ago I ftp'ed the apache ssl sources from c2.org and the latest version of SSleay ( free implementation of Netscape's SSL proto) from _the site in Oz :) Looks like thing was produced in the rush - the sad truth is that one has to forget about compiling the thing "out of box" :(( So problems ( they are related more to SSleay I think) - there is obvious typo in ssl/apps/s_socket.c - instead of #ifdef for EPROTO they used #ifndef along with following EPROTO usage ( it's easy to find searching for EPROTO ) - the ssl/Configure doesnt provide support for FreeBSD - TERMIOS should be defined instead of TERMIO , but even after that TERMIO somehow gets defined in one of the Makefiles so ssl/crypto/des/get_pwd.c will not compile . - there is a typo in one of the sources which causes problem with compiling again - they #includeD sys/types.h _after sys/stats.h , which is wrong - some Makefile is corrupted so instead of defining "-I../../include" it has "-I../inc" - the corresponding subtree won't compile unless fixed -very weird problem with ssl/crypto/Makefile . I spend a lot of time on that one ( shame on me) - but wasnt able to figure out what exactly is/was wrong. In few words - 'cause of something there the libcrypto will not compile completely ... instead of ~1.5Mb in size I kept getting ~20K. I had to rename Makefile to makefile , manually define valid CFLAGS in it and run make by hand. Otherwise not only I wasnt able to get the whole libcrypto.a compiled'n'assembled , but the top level make was causing weird loops when walking down Makefile's tree Well, that's about it ... the ssleay will not compile after all because of single unresolved function or macro with name like "X509_****_error" or something like it - I went thru all *.[hc] files but wasn't able to find where the freaking thing was defined - so I just I wiped it out from the 2 places it was called - it is pretty safe , since they use it for logging only. OK , so finally I got everything compiled ( there still be a few warnings while compiling , including the nasty one = "the result of **** is always 0 because of limited range" or something like it ). The only problem which remains is HOW to generate and sign the TEST certificate ... the recepie from the old version of SSleay doesn't work: #!/bin/sh PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/ssl/bin genrsa -des -rand /var/log/messages:/etc/utmp -out httpd.key makecert 2> httpd.text x509 -inform TEXT -in httpd.text -signkey httpd.key \ -CAkeyform TEXT -CAform TEXT -CA httpd.text -CAkey httpd.key -CAcreateseria l \ > httpd.cert cp httpd.cert /usr/local/ssl/certs chmod 644 /usr/local/ssl/certs/httpd.cert cp httpd.key /usr/local/ssl/private chmod 600 /usr/local/ssl/private/httpd.key It failes in the third line with "invalid informat". I tried to change TEXT to TXT ( as per help page from x509 ) - didn't help at all. This simple script did work with previous ssl and Apache - I was able to run apache in secure(SSL) mode - the famous blue raincoat... I mean key,was there - but the thing wasn;t useful because of some other bug , which caused memory overflow on the clients side. Rashid From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 07:05:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA00398 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from elbe.desy.de (elbe.desy.de [131.169.82.208]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA00383 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:04:59 -0800 (PST) From: Lars Gerhard Kuehl Date: Mon, 18 Dec 95 16:03:28 +0100 Message-Id: <9512181503.AA16992@elbe.desy.de> To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Jordan K. Hubbard: >> Wirklich? Geil! Can I somehow get a copy? > > J Wunsch: > I could fax you a copy, but perhaps Lars is also able to give out an > on-line copy? Sorry for the delayed reaction, I've neither read mail since friday nor the actually printed article itself. (I'm still pretty afraid it could be substantially different from what I wanted to tell.) ;~? I'll as soon as possible scan the article to send Jordan a copy. If there should really be a lot of people who wish to get it, it's probably a better idea to ask > Juergen Schmidt AWi Verlag > Editor UNIXopen Redaktion UNIXopen > Tel.: 0049/89/ 456 16 153 Bretonischer Ring 13 --- __o > FAX.: 0049/89/ 456 16 250 D-85630 Grassbrun -- -- _ \ \_~ > E-Mail: js@uopen.awi.de ..... (_)/ (_) But as I mentioned above, I still don't know whether I can recommend the article. ;) Lars From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 07:46:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA02430 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA02425 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21653 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:05:54 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:05:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199512181605.LAA21653@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> > > Basically it's one of those double-edged swords, like merging with >> > > NetBSD. A lot of really enticing benefits on the surface but a host >> > > of sticky problems to solve underneath. >> > >> > Like how do you deal with suddenly running on 12 more platforms for >> > nearly free. >> >> No, it's how do you deal with suddenly being forced to do release >> engineering for 12 platforms where one was formerly enough to drive >> the release engineer to early retirement? > >By making the administrative interfaces for all system identical, and >by data-driving those areas where it's not possible to resolve the >interface conflicts. > >CV: my more recent articles on logical device management in a devfs >framework. > >It's an engineering problem, not a management problem. note that this often leads to widespread mediocrity. db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 07:58:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA03065 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA03059 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 07:57:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA21672; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:15:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:15:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199512181615.LAA21672@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thomas Graichen From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: Hubbard's article in BYTE Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >> > by the way - i asked the german iX unix magazine - if they would like >> > an FreeBSD article - the man there said he will discuss it in the >> > redaction conference - but until now (~two weeks later) i didn't get >> > an answer - thus i sent a reminder to the man - maybe eventually this >> > may lead to another article (we'll see ...) >> >> I spoke with the Chefredactur at CeBIT last year and he was fairly >> enthusiastic - he even showed me http://www.freebsd.org in his list of >> Netscape bookmarks. :-) >> >> You might mention the December article in BYTE to them, if they need >> another reference (it often helps to point out what their competition >> is doing :-) and let them know that I'm more than happy to discuss the >> matter with them further, if they so wish. >> >> Jordan >> >he answered again - negativ: >* >* > >* > Ok, ich schlags auf der Redaktionskonferenz vor und >* > melde mich gegen Ende der Woche. >* > >* ... was nun schon wieder eine weile her ist ... :-) >* >*Stimmt; ich hatte vergessen, mich zu melden. Es fand >*eigentlich niemand, dass die Aenderungen gegenueber 2.0 >*so relevant sind, dass ein neuer Test zu rechtfertigen >*ist (machen wir auch bei anderen Betriebssystemen >*nicht). >* >*Das soll nicht heissen, dass wir nichts zu BSD machen >*wollen. Ein Erfahrungsbericht ueber Router-Einsatz o.ae. >*waere vielleicht sinnvoller. > >in english: > >nobody in the redaction conference (i hope there's such a word in english :-) >found that the changes of 2.1 against 2.0 are relevant to make a new article >(we don't do it for other systems too) > >would eventually better to make an article about using it as a router an interesting concept......and the most obvious route to stardom......previously proposed and rejected... db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 08:14:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA03926 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (root@jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA03870 Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:13:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA04441; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:12:17 +0800 (WST) From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199512181612.AAA04441@jhome.DIALix.COM> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Current 12-14 9:00 To: dbaker@cocoa.ops.neosoft.com (Daniel Baker) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:12:17 +0800 (WST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, smace@neosoft.com In-Reply-To: <199512142034.OAA00240@cocoa.ops.neosoft.com> from "Daniel Baker" at Dec 14, 95 02:34:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Then, I got a message saying Sendmail died. I did notice that my kernel booted up differntly, here's the "dmesg" > from the logs: > > Dec 14 18:56:07 cocoa /kernel: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Thu Dec 14 18:53:46 CST 1995 > Dec 14 18:56:07 cocoa /kernel: dbaker@cocoa.ops.neosoft.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/COCOA > Dec 14 18:56:07 cocoa /kernel: CPU: Pentium (46.98-MHz 586-class CPU) I'll bet your clock is runningn super fast.. check the 'date'.. a 47MHz pentium? possibly a 90MHz badly probed? reboot to fix it if it is running fast.. julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 08:55:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA06448 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:55:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pinewood.nl (gw.pinewood.nl [192.31.139.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06443 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gw.pinewood.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA03083; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:55:18 +0100 Received: from pwood1.pinewood.nl(192.168.1.10) by gw.pinewood.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma003081; Mon Dec 18 17:55:09 1995 Received: (from franky@localhost) by pwood1.pinewood.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA08130; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:52:39 +0100 From: "Frank ten Wolde" Message-Id: <9512181752.ZM8128@pwood1.pinewood.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:52:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com "Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain" (Dec 15, 15:28) References: <15305.819070126@westhill.cdrom.com> X-Face: 'BsFf8'k.q?J#?|$D*,)/?sRB{woUK&9\5K{ERmT;VTSyNLBb?muLf>b:Pt&VTDw8YCaC]6 C!MRSMr5UNjZLa]fi? X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Dec 15, 15:28, gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com wrote: > Subject: Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain > "Frank ten Wolde" wrote in message ID > <9512151302.ZM27077@pwood1.pinewood.nl>: > > 1) I would suggest adding the following lines of code in > > .../sys/netinet/ip_fw.c, line 879: > > > > ifdef IPFIREWALL > > int > > ip_fw_ctl(stage, m) > > int stage; > > struct mbuf *m; > > { > > > > if (securelevel >= 2) { NEW > > return (EPERM); NEW > > } NEW > > if (stage == IP_FW_FLUSH) { > > free_fw_chain(&ip_fw_chain); > > return (0); > > } > > ... > > > This would prevent any changes in the fw chain when running in > > very secure level. > > Nice idea, but running at secure levels >>0 is not something I want to > look at yet. If nothing else, the only reason I would do it would be > to set the sappend flag on the log files to prevent people tinkering > with them, but how would you rotate them? :-( Taking the machine > offline is NOT an option. > Please explain. What exactly do you mean by '...is not something I want to look at yet.'? Do you mean it's not tested? My firewall runs at securelevel 2. My log files are *not* on the firewall, but on some internal host in my secure net. I have simmutable'd most of my binaries and the /kernel file. Running securelevel 2 give me a feeling of some degree of extra security (of course I keep md5 checksum listings to check the integrity of my binaries once in a while as well). > > 2) I noticed that the order in which the fw checks incoming packets is > > *not* the same as the order in which the packet rules were added. > > This is documented, and I have to agree with the authors idea that > most people do NOT know what they are doing when playing with the > firewall stuff and need some handholding. He does agree with me, > however, that we need an ``I know what I'm doing'' flag which inserts > the rules into the chain in the order they are submitted. > I only found a reference in ipfw(8), but it did not explain the reason behind this 'rule weighting system'. Is it considered a bug? (It's in the BUGS section.) Are you referring to further documentation? I'm curious to learn more about it -- and it's purpose. About this 'automatic reshuffling of rules', I favor the standpoint of Bill Cheswick that the order of rules should be left to the administrator and should be applied in the order that they are entered (at least this is how I interpreted his statements in 'Building Internet Firewalls'. You could optionally write an *external* command to do 'intelligent' re-ordering of rules (like a rule-compiler) before they are fed into the kernel -- thouhg I'd be very paranoia to use such a tool blindly. Anyway -- this discussion belongs in some other list. Thanks, -Frank -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- F.W. ten Wolde (PA3FMT) Pinewood Automation B.V. E-mail: franky@pinewood.nl Kluyverweg 2a Phone: +31-15 2682543 2629 HT Delft From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 09:04:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07046 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:04:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pinewood.nl (gw.pinewood.nl [192.31.139.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07041 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by gw.pinewood.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA03486; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:04:18 +0100 Received: from pwood1.pinewood.nl(192.168.1.10) by gw.pinewood.nl via smap (V1.3) id sma003484; Mon Dec 18 18:03:55 1995 Received: (from franky@localhost) by pwood1.pinewood.nl (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA08521; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:01:27 +0100 From: "Frank ten Wolde" Message-Id: <9512181801.ZM8519@pwood1.pinewood.nl> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:01:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: Nate Williams "Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain" (Dec 15, 9:39) References: <9512151302.ZM27077@pwood1.pinewood.nl> <199512151611.JAA16380@rocky.sri.MT.net> <9512151720.ZM309@pwood1.pinewood.nl> <199512151639.JAA16535@rocky.sri.MT.net> X-Face: 'BsFf8'k.q?J#?|$D*,)/?sRB{woUK&9\5K{ERmT;VTSyNLBb?muLf>b:Pt&VTDw8YCaC]6 C!MRSMr5UNjZLa]fi? X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: Nate Williams Subject: Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Dec 15, 9:39, Nate Williams wrote: > Subject: Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain > > > > 2) I noticed that the order in which the fw checks incoming packets is > > > > *not* the same as the order in which the packet rules were added. > > > > IMHO this should be fixed. I have not had the time (yet) to have > > > > a look at the source myself, but will do so in the next few weeks. > > > [ Explanation about priority based rules deleted ] > Finally, while I agree that not allowing the filtering rules is a good > thing, I'm of the opinion that it's much better to allow changing it > without having to reboot the system. I have a pretty good set of rules, > but there are occasions when I need to open up the firewall to 'trusted' > hosts, and I'd rather not bring down my Internet connection to do it. > I think we disagree here, or our needs differ greatly :-) I still think it's better for safety that *if* my Bastion host is compromised (someone evil becomes root) they still cannot flush the fw chain. I accept bringing down the host to single user mode for adding/deleting rules -- after *careful* consideration of the new rules. Should we make the save-fw-chain a configuration option in the kernel? Perhaps we must add a new level to securelevel to allow for secure fw chains *on top of* the very secure mode (e.g., securelevel 3). Maybe we need to re-define securelevel to be a bit-field to enable secure mode for independent sub-systems in the kernel? Would this be too large a deviation from the original 4.4BSD definition? > Nate -Frank -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- F.W. ten Wolde (PA3FMT) Pinewood Automation B.V. E-mail: franky@pinewood.nl Kluyverweg 2a Phone: +31-15 2682543 2629 HT Delft From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 09:08:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07144 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:08:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07126 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de ([131.159.0.200]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de with SMTP id <26523-1>; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:06:28 +0100 Received: by hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de id <78321>; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:06:07 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:06:00 +0100 From: Armin Gruner X-Sender: gruner@hprbg5.informatik.tu-muenchen.de Reply-To: ag@leo.org To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: CD WORM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello people, sorry for intruding the list without being on it :-) but we've the following problem here: We tried to connect a WORM to our FreeBSD machine, but have no luck so far. I both tried 2.1 with NEW_SCSICONF, and -current as of 12/18. I did not fully follow the thread of Jordan and his experiences with his Philips burner, so perhaps I've been missing something.. aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa (aha0:0:0): "SEAGATE ST3283N 9303" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd0(aha0:0:0): Direct-Access 237MB (485601 512 byte sectors) (aha0:1:0): "CONNER CP30200 SUN0207 4544" type 0 fixed SCSI 2 sd1(aha0:1:0): Direct-Access 203MB (416108 512 byte sectors) (aha0:4:0): "PINNACLE RCD-1000 1.33" type 4 removable SCSI 2 worm0(aha0:4:0): Write-Once - UNTESTED worm0(aha0:4:0): NOT READY asc:4,1 worm0(aha0:4:0): Logical unit is in process of becoming ready worm0: oops not queued worm0(aha0:4:0): could not get size - can't get capacity. ... Of course I'm totally clueless, so perhaps if someone is interested in having a look at it, I'd be pleased to setup an account on our machine. Regards and thanks for your time, Greetings from Munich Armin ____ Armin Gruner, Technische Universitaet, Muenchen \ / http://www.leo.org/~gruner/ \/ Nur wer sich aendert, bleibt sich treu - Wolf Biermann From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 09:09:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA07370 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07360 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:09:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA23836; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:11:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:11:34 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512181711.KAA23836@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Frank ten Wolde" Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain In-Reply-To: <9512181801.ZM8519@pwood1.pinewood.nl> References: <9512151302.ZM27077@pwood1.pinewood.nl> <199512151611.JAA16380@rocky.sri.MT.net> <9512151720.ZM309@pwood1.pinewood.nl> <199512151639.JAA16535@rocky.sri.MT.net> <9512181801.ZM8519@pwood1.pinewood.nl> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I think we disagree here, or our needs differ greatly :-) I still think > it's better for safety that *if* my Bastion host is compromised (someone > evil becomes root) they still cannot flush the fw chain. Agreed. My statement was made to say that I think we need to have more security levels than the current version, so we can still have a secure system and *still* allow modifications of the ipfw chain. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing affair. > I accept > bringing down the host to single user mode for adding/deleting rules -- > after *careful* consideration of the new rules. I can't do that w/out wiping out my internet connection, and I'd rather not do that for the sake of other people in my company. :) > Should we make the save-fw-chain a configuration option in the kernel? > Perhaps we must add a new level to securelevel to allow for secure fw > chains *on top of* the very secure mode (e.g., securelevel 3). Maybe > we need to re-define securelevel to be a bit-field to enable secure mode > for independent sub-systems in the kernel? Would this be too large a > deviation from the original 4.4BSD definition? I think having multiple secure levels is a good thing, but I don't have time to think about how it should best be done. :( Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 09:38:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08937 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from covina.lightside.com (covina.lightside.com [198.81.209.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08932 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by covina.lightside.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0tRjWA-0009bIC; Mon, 18 Dec 95 09:38 PST Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:38:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jake Hamby To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Motif and multiple platforms (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk This isn't as applicable to FreeBSD as it is to NetBSD, but I thought I should mention a thread on the NetBSD mailing list here. NetBSD users have been concerned because there is no Motif port, and the user base is too small (and also spread out among too many incompatible architectures) for any commercial companies to invest in a port. The conclusion was that investing in a source code license of Motif and figuring out the logistics to get it translated to every NetBSD platform, and then setting up a mechanism to PAY for it would be too complex. The best solution is to back LessTif, as it is a lot farther along than most people realize. I know there is at least one port of Motif 2.0 to FreeBSD, but I would highly recommend everyone to check out LessTif. There should be a new release in early January, and each release brings it much closer to their intent, namely a free Motif-1.2.4 workalike, which would be a great benefit to the entire Free OS community. In the meantime it isn't too usable other than to hack around on, but I understand that nearly every Motif program will compile and link, even if it doesn't run correctly as of now.. :) Finally, the more people that support the core team, and if you have time, contribute patches or new widget functionality, the sooner we will have a working product we can include with FreeBSD as a port/package, which I think will enhance FreeBSD's reputation immensely. http://www.hungry.com:8000/products/lesstif/ ---Jake From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 09:42:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09051 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:42:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09046 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:41:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA01774 ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:41:48 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id SAA17227 ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:41:47 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id JAA01238; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:05:17 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512180805.JAA01238@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: -c boot problem To: jagnew@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (H. Jared Agnew) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:05:17 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "H. Jared Agnew" at Dec 12, 95 04:49:25 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that H. Jared Agnew said: > posted to questions and nobody knows what I have to do. Is there > somewhere that I can find out how to create a boot.flp or does someone > have instructions. I am afraid that you need the CVS tree to successfully generate a release and the boot floppies. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 09:43:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA09094 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:43:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09089 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:43:54 -0800 (PST) From: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA12677 ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:42:37 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: ag@leo.org cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: CD WORM In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:06:00 +0100." Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:42:37 -0800 Message-ID: <12675.819308557@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Armin Gruner wrote in message ID : > sorry for intruding the list without being on it :-) but we've the following > problem here: We tried to connect a WORM to our FreeBSD machine, but have > no luck so far. I both tried 2.1 with NEW_SCSICONF, and -current as of 12/18. Okay. The story generally is ``it don't work''. Julian (Elischer) had Jordan's burner, but I think he's debunked back to Oz, so I'm not sure what's happening. > (aha0:4:0): "PINNACLE RCD-1000 1.33" type 4 removable SCSI 2 > worm0(aha0:4:0): Write-Once - UNTESTED > worm0(aha0:4:0): NOT READY asc:4,1 > worm0(aha0:4:0): Logical unit is in process of becoming ready > worm0: oops not queued > > worm0(aha0:4:0): could not get size > - can't get capacity. That's better than I got the last time I tried (admittedly ~5 months ago) - it panic'd the machine! (Although I do seem to remember that being fixed) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 12:25:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17361 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17356 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA12239; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:21:40 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512182021.NAA12239@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:21:40 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512181605.LAA21653@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Dec 18, 95 11:05:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > >> No, it's how do you deal with suddenly being forced to do release > >> engineering for 12 platforms where one was formerly enough to drive > >> the release engineer to early retirement? > > > >By making the administrative interfaces for all system identical, and > >by data-driving those areas where it's not possible to resolve the > >interface conflicts. > > > >CV: my more recent articles on logical device management in a devfs > >framework. > > > >It's an engineering problem, not a management problem. > > note that this often leads to widespread mediocrity. Like data driving the WWW interfaces instead of writing site specific clients has "resulted in mediocrity"? With due respect, it is possible to have a client/server mechanism with a data driven front end which operates at a high level of data abstraction *without* sacrificing Q/A standards. WWW proves this to no end. Again: this is an engineering problem. Consider that the framework hierarchy of the presentation interface need bear no resemeblence to the underlying interface. An example: I have a command "foo". It controls the print system setup. The command can be given as: foo [...] At a command line. It can also be given as: foo Which will enter an interactive prompt mode, eg: foo> [...] foo> [...] foo> exit Finally, a user interface program operatining under data driven selection, can popen(3) "foo" and extablish a pipe for interactive control ("foo" uses "isatty" to determine that it should not put out the prompt string). Through a series of interactive queries, the user interface program builds a list of possible interface states and puts up objects relative to the supplied order for output of a "menu" or some other designated internal command which will retrieve the interface objects in an interface usable format. It then builds the interface based on the output of the program, including subfunction menus, etc. This buys a command line mechanism for committing/not committing (quit instead of exit) changes as a group, resetting changes to defaults, resetting changes to previous values prior to the commit actually taking place following modifications at the user interface level, etc. The "foo" comand could be a perl program. It could be a shell script. It could be the "sysctl" or "ncrcontrol" or "vidcontrol" programs, or it could be an as-yet-unwritten-program. Data driven partitioning and slice and mount control for devices would require additional interfaces for the devfs (said interfaces have not yet been implemented). What you get out of this is the ability to build a single apparently unitified graphical or text user interface with the same set of tools that allow you to do things at the command line as well. There is nothing in this that requires that the results be mediocre. And because the interface presentation is abstracted from its core and implementation of schema, the resulting interface is platform independent, even though the underlying commands (and thus the intermediate framework) can be identical. Just like HTML or SQL servers are platform dependent, HTML/SQL is platform independent, and the client interface is seperable and not bound to a particular machine architecture for implementation (only for execution). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 12:34:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17896 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:34:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA17890 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 12:34:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA12258; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:28:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512182028.NAA12258@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: rusers(3) & rnusers(3) To: jau@jau.csc.fi (Jukka Ukkonen) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:28:13 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512180938.LAA09745@jau.csc.fi> from "Jukka Ukkonen" at Dec 18, 95 11:38:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Notice also that I sent the code to others to test and review. > The actual licensing terms can be adjusted to a more suitable > and more formal representation later if necessary (maybe to BSD > or GNU style) if you think you wish to include the code in the > FreeBSD distribution. (The same goes naturally for NetBSD or > Linux or whatever freely available UNIX style OS, which you can > grab from the net.) > > My note simply meant that you can distribute the code without > limitation to anyone who is interested, but _for the moment_ > I am still the owner of the rights to it, whether there is any > "intellectual" property contained in it or not. I don't have problems with this. However, if the code is integrated into the main line kernel or libraries, this would count as a significant restriction. Thre is a reason that BSD does not support every driver that Linux supports, and Licensing is it. If it's your intent to put it under BSD-style license for the actual release, then fine. My intent was only to prevent integration until such time. Jordan seemed a bit gung-ho to include it, and I saw no real problems with the code as presented. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 13:08:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA19867 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:08:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19860 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (oberon.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA08654; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:07:50 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA00795; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:41:06 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512181941.UAA00795@mordillo> Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. To: StevenR362@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:41:05 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <951212182238_131608664@mail06.mail.aol.com> from "StevenR362@aol.com" at Dec 12, 95 06:22:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > In a message dated 95-12-12 02:22:56 EST, hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio > Hasty Jr.) writes: > > >They are already doing that ... If I don't like whats going on over here > >I may chose to go Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc... > > > > > > I must have my head in the sand or something. This is the second or > third > time that I have seen a reference to OpenBSD in this list. What is it? and > when > did it come about? > http://www.openbsd.org t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 13:59:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA22410 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from miller.cs.uwm.edu (miller.cs.uwm.edu [129.89.35.13]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22404 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from james@localhost) by miller.cs.uwm.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA06086; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:59:34 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:59:34 -0600 From: Jim Lowe Message-Id: <199512182159.PAA06086@miller.cs.uwm.edu> To: luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: meteor driver bug Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, tinguely@plains.nodak.edu Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > From: Luigi Rizzo > Subject: meteor driver bug > To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Jim Lowe) > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 16:26:30 +0100 (MET) > Cc: tinguely@plains.nodak.edu, hackers@freebsd.org > ******************** meteor.c [driver] ******************************** > > BUG: around line 1072 of the driver, the following code: > > *p++ = buf; /* even y or even RGB */ > /* set end of buffer location */ > *(p+36) = *(p+35) = buf + mtr->alloc_pages * PAGE_SIZE; > > the last line should read > > *(p+34) = *(p+35) = buf + mtr->alloc_pages * PAGE_SIZE; > > as the pointer (p) has been already incremented. Due to this > bug, we are going to write past the end of the 7116 registers, > with unknown effects. Hmmm... By my count there are 38 4 byte registers and we want to offset to dma end (even) and dma end (odd), which would be +36 & +37. Since we increment, then we want 35 & 36... I will count again, but I think this code is correct. > > > FEATURE: at offset 0x3c in the 7116, it would be preferable to > set the "Field Toggle" bit. This enables the 7116 to simulate the > presence of an interlaced image even with non-interlaced images. It > should help with VTRs and should not harm otherwise. Thus I would > change the init value from > > /* 0x3c */ 0x00000103, /* 9:8 *RW Reserved (0x0) > > to > > /* 0x3c */ 0x00000107, /* 9:8 *RW Reserved (0x0) I am not sure what this does exactly, maybe Mark can comment. I don't think there would be any problem with this. > > FEATURE: the 'correct' values for regs 01-05 of the 7196, > according to the data sheets, should be the following: > > /* 01 */ 0x30, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Begin for 50hz */ > /* 02 */ 0x00, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Stop for 50hz */ > /* 03 */ 0xe8, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Clamp Start for 50hz */ > /* 04 */ 0xb6, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Clamp Stop for 50hz */ > /* 05 */ 0xf4, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Start after PH1 for 50hz */ > > I tried them with a 50Hz PAL camera, and they seem to work fine. > They could replace my previous suggestion. I am not sure what you mean by correct. If you go by CCIR-601, then the values that are in the driver are correct (see pp 2-18 of the Desktop Video Data Handbook by Phillips). I know this is what the default values for these are for the 7196, but I don't beleive these are CCIR-601 values. > > > PROPOSAL: whith moving images, mixing samples from two frames produces > a very unpleasant visual effect (basically, one frame is shifted > with respect to the previous one). Moreover, this mix produces > (spatial) high frequency components which make the compression > algorithms work less efficiently. My proposal is to acquire > single frames by default, and use both frames only in the case > of the highest resolution images (e.g. 640x480 or 768x576). > This can be done without loss of resolution. It requires some > simple changes to the METEORSETGEO ioctl, and possibly to > the interrupt handling routine. > I always thought it took two Fields before one had a complete Frame. The card should be able to capture 60 fields/sec or 30 frames/sec in ntsc or 50 fields/sec or 25 frames/sec in pal. I beleive the driver captures two fields for each frame. I am not sure what you are proposing here -- but maybe it is a terminology issue that I am missing... -Jim From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:00:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22590 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:00:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22581 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:00:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24691; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:03:18 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:03:18 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512182203.PAA24691@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Raid systems info Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- This stuff would probably work with FreeBSD as well. > Adjile Systems build RAID sub-sytems that work with BSD/OS. The sales > person I usually talk with is Shawn Peterson. Here is contact info: > > Adjile Systems > 5816 Roseville Road, #2 > Sacramento, CA 95842 > +1 800 347 7621 > +1 916 338 7660 > +1 916 338 7669 (fax) Like most external solutions, BSD/OS sees the Adjile box as one SCSI disk. It can do RAID levels 0,1,3,4,5. The person I spoke with said that they had the best results with the NCR 815Xs. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:05:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22833 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA22828 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21141; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:05:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:05:41 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: DES/MD5 patch? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There was a patch which I had, then lost, that looked like it would let a person use both crypt and MD5 hash passwords. It was sent to me, and I have misplaced it, and don't know where to find it. If anybody knows where I can get this patch again, I'd really, really, really, a lot, like it. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:24:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA24344 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24335 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24763; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:26:38 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:26:38 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512182226.PAA24763@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Jaye Mathisen Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DES/MD5 patch? In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > There was a patch which I had, then lost, that looked like it would let a > person use both crypt and MD5 hash passwords. ... > If anybody knows where I can get this patch again, I'd really, really, > really, a lot, like it. It was just committed to -current. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:28:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA24496 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24460 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21165; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:27:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DES/MD5 patch? In-Reply-To: <199512182226.PAA24763@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yeah, but that doesn't do me any good, I'm running -stable, and wouldn't have the vaguest clue how to get it out. On Mon, 18 Dec 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > > There was a patch which I had, then lost, that looked like it would let a > > person use both crypt and MD5 hash passwords. > ... > > If anybody knows where I can get this patch again, I'd really, really, > > really, a lot, like it. > > It was just committed to -current. > > > Nate > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:38:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA25086 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.bbcc.ctc.edu (ZEUS.BBCC.CTC.EDU [134.39.180.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25081 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:38:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by zeus.bbcc.ctc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00410 for hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:41:35 GMT Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:41:35 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD Reply-To: chrisc@MAIL.bbcc.ctc.edu Organization: Big Bend Community College From: Chris Coleman To: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, Does any one know if FreeBSD will support Conner RAID 5 controllers anytime soon? thanks in advance From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:46:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA25385 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25379 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:46:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA21210; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:46:04 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:46:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: More install notes. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk 1) Sup should be a part of the standard tree 2) Can a brief pause be added at the end of device config before it clears to the blue screen so that it's possible to see if devices that were probed near the end were found? You have to read pretty fast to see an ep device come up before it's done, and the screen is cleared. I just installed on a P120/Triton, with a Buslogic PCI and a 3c509, and it seems pretty solid. The install program is a dream compared to anything else I've installed recently. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 14:55:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA25987 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA25974 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA22796; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:15:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:15:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199512182315.SAA22796@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Terry Lambert From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >> No, it's how do you deal with suddenly being forced to do release >> >> engineering for 12 platforms where one was formerly enough to drive >> >> the release engineer to early retirement? >> > >> >By making the administrative interfaces for all system identical, and >> >by data-driving those areas where it's not possible to resolve the >> >interface conflicts. >> > >> >CV: my more recent articles on logical device management in a devfs >> >framework. >> > >> >It's an engineering problem, not a management problem. >> >> note that this often leads to widespread mediocrity. > >Like data driving the WWW interfaces instead of writing site specific >clients has "resulted in mediocrity"? > >With due respect, it is possible to have a client/server mechanism >with a data driven front end which operates at a high level of data >abstraction *without* sacrificing Q/A standards. WWW proves this >to no end. > >Again: this is an engineering problem. Your example is certainly not the rule here....most "standard" interfaces are inferior as a matter of compromise. NDIS, Packet Drivers, ODI (for example) enhance functionality and simplicity but are mediocre interfaces and inferior to most custom ones. My personal opinion (please don't flame here...) is that most internet protocols are pretty awful (SNMP ala ASN1 is an obvious example) and the fact that they have gained widespread acceptance has much more to do with the failure of other standards to be widely implemented (due to commercial infighting) than their superior design. As with the American Revolution, a raging mob with rocks and stones will often defeat a well-equipt (yet underdeployed) army. dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 15:12:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27145 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:12:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27138 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA01397 ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:12:23 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More install notes. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:46:04 PST." Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:12:22 -0800 Message-ID: <1395.819328342@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Jaye Mathisen wrote in message ID : > 2) Can a brief pause be added at the end of device config before it > clears to the blue screen so that it's possible to see if devices that were > probed near the end were found? You have to read pretty fast to see an > ep device come up before it's done, and the screen is cleared. That's what the ``scroll lock'' key is for... you can press it when you get to the blue screen and use the cursor up/down keys and also page up/down to scroll through the buffer history (which at that point is the boot messages) Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 15:13:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27201 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:13:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27195 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA21262; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:13:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More install notes. In-Reply-To: <1395.819328342@westhill.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Wow, missed this one completely. Too cool. Scratch #2 then. Thanks. On Mon, 18 Dec 1995 gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com wrote: > Jaye Mathisen wrote in message ID > : > > 2) Can a brief pause be added at the end of device config before it > > clears to the blue screen so that it's possible to see if devices that were > > probed near the end were found? You have to read pretty fast to see an > > ep device come up before it's done, and the screen is cleared. > > That's what the ``scroll lock'' key is for... you can press it when > you get to the blue screen and use the cursor up/down keys and also > page up/down to scroll through the buffer history (which at that point > is the boot messages) > > Gary > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 15:26:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA27952 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:26:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from plains.nodak.edu (tinguely@plains.NoDak.edu [134.129.111.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27947 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from tinguely@localhost) by plains.nodak.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA29819; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:25:53 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:25:53 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Tinguely Message-Id: <199512182325.RAA29819@plains.nodak.edu> To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu, luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it Subject: Re: meteor driver bug Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > BUG: around line 1072 of the driver, the following code: > > > > *p++ = buf; /* even y or even RGB */ > > /* set end of buffer location */ > > *(p+36) = *(p+35) = buf + mtr->alloc_pages * PAGE_SIZE; > > > > the last line should read > > > > *(p+34) = *(p+35) = buf + mtr->alloc_pages * PAGE_SIZE; > > > > as the pointer (p) has been already incremented. Due to this > > bug, we are going to write past the end of the 7116 registers, > > with unknown effects. > > Hmmm... By my count there are 38 4 byte registers and we want to offset to > dma end (even) and dma end (odd), which would be +36 & +37. Since we > increment, then we want 35 & 36... I will count again, but I think this > code is correct. > > I think Luigi is correct, the DMA is at offset 0x8c and 0x90 (35 and 36 4 byte words), I combined the auto-increment of p and the (p+35), (p+36) from two seperate setting of buf variable and didn't look too close. The code does not let a person hit the end of the DMA buffer, but it is good to be safe. > > > > /* 01 */ 0x30, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Begin for 50hz */ > > /* 02 */ 0x00, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Stop for 50hz */ > > /* 03 */ 0xe8, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Clamp Start for 50hz */ > > /* 04 */ 0xb6, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Clamp Stop for 50hz */ > > /* 05 */ 0xf4, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Start after PH1 for 50hz */ Luigi has the 50 Hz video, I trust what you say works good for 50 Hz. --mark. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 15:47:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA28808 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA28795 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:46:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id AAA03399; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:43:50 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199512182343.AAA03399@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: meteor driver bug To: james@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Jim Lowe) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:43:50 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, tinguely@plains.nodak.edu In-Reply-To: <199512182159.PAA06086@miller.cs.uwm.edu> from "Jim Lowe" at Dec 18, 95 03:59:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > BUG: around line 1072 of the driver, the following code: > > Hmmm... By my count there are 38 4 byte registers and we want to offset to the comments in the code say 37, not 38. And another piece of code is consistent with the count of 37. Unfortunately I don't have the manuals at the moment. > > FEATURE: at offset 0x3c in the 7116, it would be preferable to > > set the "Field Toggle" bit. This enables the 7116 to simulate the > > presence of an interlaced image even with non-interlaced images. It > > should help with VTRs and should not harm otherwise. Thus I would > > change the init value from > > > > /* 0x3c */ 0x00000103, /* 9:8 *RW Reserved (0x0) > > > > to > > > > /* 0x3c */ 0x00000107, /* 9:8 *RW Reserved (0x0) > > I am not sure what this does exactly, maybe Mark can comment. I don't > think there would be any problem with this. > > > > FEATURE: the 'correct' values for regs 01-05 of the 7196, > > according to the data sheets, should be the following: > > > > /* 01 */ 0x30, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Begin for 50hz */ > > /* 02 */ 0x00, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Stop for 50hz */ > > /* 03 */ 0xe8, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Clamp Start for 50hz */ > > /* 04 */ 0xb6, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Clamp Stop for 50hz */ > > /* 05 */ 0xf4, /* 7:0 Horizontal Sync Start after PH1 for 50hz */ > > > > I tried them with a 50Hz PAL camera, and they seem to work fine. > > They could replace my previous suggestion. > > I am not sure what you mean by correct. If you go by CCIR-601, then the > values that are in the driver are correct (see pp 2-18 of the Desktop > Video Data Handbook by Phillips). I know this is what the default values > for these are for the 7196, but I don't beleive these are CCIR-601 values. the values in 1.0.8 (those for 50Hz, regs 01-05 of the 7196) did not work for me. I first blindly replaced them with those for 60Hz, which seemed to work. I then got a copy of the specs of the 7191, which give the values I propose. They work as well, and look to me a better choice than my previous guess (at least somebody must have thought about them, not simply make a blind copy like I did :) ). > > PROPOSAL: whith moving images, mixing samples from two frames produces > > a very unpleasant visual effect (basically, one frame is shifted > > with respect to the previous one). Moreover, this mix produces > > (spatial) high frequency components which make the compression > > algorithms work less efficiently. My proposal is to acquire > > single frames by default, and use both frames only in the case > > of the highest resolution images (e.g. 640x480 or 768x576). > > This can be done without loss of resolution. It requires some > > simple changes to the METEORSETGEO ioctl, and possibly to > > the interrupt handling routine. > > > > I always thought it took two Fields before one had a complete Frame. > The card should be able to capture 60 fields/sec or 30 frames/sec in ntsc > or 50 fields/sec or 25 frames/sec in pal. > > I beleive the driver captures two fields for each frame. I am not > sure what you are proposing here -- but maybe it is a terminology > issue that I am missing... Sorry, it's my problem with the terminology. I rephrase it: with moving subjects, the two FIELDS which make up a FRAME are slightly shifted from one another (obviously, as the subject is moving). When we sample a FRAME, we get these two shifted FIELDS, interlaced. This gives an unpleasant visual effect, especially when sampling single FRAMES, *and* produces high frequency components which reduce the efficiency of the compression algorithms. To improve both the visual effect and the compression, I propose to make the driver acquire every other FIELD by default, except when there is an explicit request from the user or we want more lines than there are in a single FIELD (240 for NTSC, 288 for PAL). Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 15:55:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA29242 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29236 Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:55:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512182355.PAA29236@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Jaye Mathisen cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More install notes. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 14:46:04 PST." Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 15:55:50 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > >1) Sup should be a part of the standard tree There is a discussion going on about that right now. >2) Can a brief pause be added at the end of device config before it >clears to the blue screen so that it's possible to see if devices that were >probed near the end were found? You have to read pretty fast to see an >ep device come up before it's done, and the screen is cleared. Hit scroll-lock followed by a few page-ups. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 16:26:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA00741 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA00735 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:26:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA13084; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:22:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512190022.RAA13084@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 17:22:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512182315.SAA22796@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Dec 18, 95 06:15:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Your example is certainly not the rule here....most "standard" interfaces > are inferior as a matter of compromise. NDIS, Packet Drivers, ODI > (for example) enhance functionality and simplicity but are mediocre > interfaces and inferior to most custom ones. Actually, the ODI overhead in the UnixWare product is squarely in the glue for the streams stack interface. It is a pretty big hit because of the way streams is scheduled to run is very different from the way ODI is run in the Native NetWare server. The ODI is actually vastly superior in that it does peek-ahead to know the size of the read buffer prior to doing the transfer such that it actually saves a copy (using Intel instructiong timing tools indicates the majority of streams/DDI time is being spent in the rep: the bcopy). It's actually possible with a slight modification to streams to pass around buffer pointers as references instread of entities and save the initial copy until the copy at the DDI/DKI level, where a copy is needed anyway to coalese the buffrs onto the stream tail (ie: in the card memeory itself). We could do a hell of a lot worse than ODI. NDIS, on the other hand, is known to be buggy in a number of 16 bit cases having to do with odd byte packet lengths backfilling the wrong byte. > My personal opinion (please don't flame here...) is that most internet > protocols are pretty awful (SNMP ala ASN1 is an obvious example) and > the fact that they have gained widespread acceptance has much more to > do with the failure of other standards to be widely implemented (due > to commercial infighting) than their superior design. Like GOSIP? Sorry, FTAM still sucks... 8^). I agree that SNMP is a generally bad design from the trap level and the reporting callback mechanism as it was typically implemented. SNMP II solves some of this, particularly in the free IBM implementation (which incidently also requires streams). This all has little to do with the implementability of a more general user interface soloution. Users are the slowest component in the loop, so as long as you pay close attenton to appearance-of-speed issues, there shouldn't be a problem. Suggesting a good implementation (8-)) has little to do with past bad implementations. You can't be suggesting that nothing be done because similar projects have failed therefore this one must too?!? Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 18:08:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA08067 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08042 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA23233; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:28:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:28:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199512190228.VAA23233@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Terry Lambert From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Your example is certainly not the rule here....most "standard" interfaces >> are inferior as a matter of compromise. NDIS, Packet Drivers, ODI >> (for example) enhance functionality and simplicity but are mediocre >> interfaces and inferior to most custom ones. Your passion is admirable, but I'm afraid that you've missed the point. the point is, that standard interfaces always make trade offs, and always leave a few things out. There's a price to pay for generality. The point that I was trying to make above, was that if you wanted to implement a single product for a specialized system you wouldn't use any of the standards above...because they basically suck. [Terrys stuff below] > >Actually, the ODI overhead in the UnixWare product is squarely in the >glue for the streams stack interface. It is a pretty big hit because >of the way streams is scheduled to run is very different from the way >ODI is run in the Native NetWare server. > >The ODI is actually vastly superior in that it does peek-ahead to know >the size of the read buffer prior to doing the transfer such that it >actually saves a copy (using Intel instructiong timing tools indicates >the majority of streams/DDI time is being spent in the rep: the bcopy). > >It's actually possible with a slight modification to streams to pass >around buffer pointers as references instread of entities and save the >initial copy until the copy at the DDI/DKI level, where a copy is needed >anyway to coalese the buffrs onto the stream tail (ie: in the card >memeory itself). > >We could do a hell of a lot worse than ODI. > >NDIS, on the other hand, is known to be buggy in a number of 16 bit >cases having to do with odd byte packet lengths backfilling the wrong >byte. > >> My personal opinion (please don't flame here...) is that most internet >> protocols are pretty awful (SNMP ala ASN1 is an obvious example) and >> the fact that they have gained widespread acceptance has much more to >> do with the failure of other standards to be widely implemented (due >> to commercial infighting) than their superior design. > >Like GOSIP? Sorry, FTAM still sucks... 8^). > >I agree that SNMP is a generally bad design from the trap level and >the reporting callback mechanism as it was typically implemented. SNMP II >solves some of this, particularly in the free IBM implementation (which >incidently also requires streams). > > >This all has little to do with the implementability of a more general >user interface soloution. Users are the slowest component in the loop, >so as long as you pay close attenton to appearance-of-speed issues, >there shouldn't be a problem. > >Suggesting a good implementation (8-)) has little to do with past bad >implementations. You can't be suggesting that nothing be done because >similar projects have failed therefore this one must too?!? > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 18:56:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10036 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from abf.abaforum.es (abf.abaforum.es [193.127.90.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10031 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from node6.abaforum.es (node6.abaforum.es [193.127.90.6]) by abf.abaforum.es (8.6.9/6.2) with SMTP id BAA06484; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:13:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:13:23 +0100 From: Usuario Email 740 Message-Id: <199512190013.BAA06484@abf.abaforum.es> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 18:57:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA10062 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from abf.abaforum.es (abf.abaforum.es [193.127.90.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA10056 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from aba.UUCP (uuaba@localhost) by abf.abaforum.es (8.6.9/6.2) with UUCP id BAA06605 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:27:11 +0100 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: router/gateway problem - Part 0 of 1 From: jesus.rodriguez@abaforum.es (JESUS RODRIGUEZ) Message-ID: <000.8B73052.00A6012B7A.uuout@abaforum.es> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:22:00 -600 Organization: ABAFORUM / E-08190 Sant Cugat, Barcelona / 34-3-589.3888 Reply-To: jesus.rodriguez@abaforum.es (JESUS RODRIGUEZ) X-Mailreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi every body. I have little time using Freebsd 2.0.5 and Unix based systems (i've used IRIX from Silicon Graphics too). I've a web server and an uucp e-mail server in a machine with freebsd. In this box, i have two ethernet cards conected at two different networks (network A=192.0.1.0 and network B=192.0.2.0, these IP's are for local use and they don't go out to Internet, don't worry). Well, my problem is that i can't configure freebsd for comunicating both networks. I want a bridge, gateway, router???, (you can name it like you want), for comunicating the networks. I've tried to configure it, i have turned on the ipforwarding with: sysctl -nw net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 but i can't (and don't know) how to do it. I've readed man pages,free bsd hand book, doc's and a book about networks (Unix Networking), i've tried a lot of different configurations, add route commands, etc, but it's impossible. I think that maybe it's trivial for some people of this list, but not for me. please, 澧an You Help Me?????. Where can i get information????. Thank's in advance... 燜here is more people using Free BSD in Spain???. Contact me, please... 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Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from node6.abaforum.es (node6.abaforum.es [193.127.90.6]) by abf.abaforum.es (8.6.9/6.2) with SMTP id BAA06465 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:11:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199512190011.BAA06465@abf.abaforum.es> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 01:17:21 -0800 From: Jesus Rodriguez X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: router/gateway problem Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi every body. I have little time using Freebsd 2.0.5 and Unix based systems (i've used IRIX from Silicon Graphics too). I've a web server and an uucp e-mail server in a machine with freebsd. In this box, i have two ethernet cards conected at two different networks (network A=192.0.1.0 and network B=192.0.2.0, these IP's are for local use and they don't go out to Internet, don't worry). Well, my problem is that i can't configure freebsd for comunicating both networks. I want a bridge, gateway, router???, (you can name it like you want), for comunicating the networks. I've tried to configure it, i have turned on the ipforwarding with: sysctl -nw net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 but i can't (and don't know) how to do it. I've readed man pages,free bsd hand book, doc's and a book about networks (Unix Networking), i've tried a lot of different configurations, add route commands, etc, but it's impossible. I think that maybe it's trivial for some people of this list, but not for me. please, 澧an You Help Me?????. Where can i get information????. Thank's in advance... 燜here is more people using Free BSD in Spain???. Contact me, please... From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 19:01:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA10622 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:01:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA10596 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA13394; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:57:18 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512190257.TAA13394@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:57:18 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512190228.VAA23233@etinc.com> from "dennis" at Dec 18, 95 09:28:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Your passion is admirable, but I'm afraid that you've missed the point. > the point is, that standard interfaces always make trade offs, and > always leave a few things out. There's a price to pay for generality. The > point that I was trying to make above, was that if you wanted to implement > a single product for a specialized system you wouldn't use any of the > standards above...because they basically suck. The trade off is between external scripting of interface use and apparent performance, at least in the case of an admin tool. Since I can do a hell of a lot of scripting relative to the slowest link in the control system, to wit: the human operator, I don't see the necessary tradeoffs as much of a problem. Remember that I said that one must pay attention to appearance-of-speed issues? You can have an app that loads a bit, prints a line, loads a bit, prints another line, etc... Or you can have an app that loads a bit and loads a bit and loads a bit and then page-flips the VGA card to paint the screen. Which one do you think will get the user's "Damn! That was *fast*!"? This is exactly the argument I used with Doug Michaels when ODT came out when I suggested delaying the event processing for the expose event on the window manager, such that the expose was not sent until the window manager had done it's expose processing. The actual difference would be between: swap/paint WM detail/swap/paint app detail/swap/paint WM detail/... and: swap/paint *all* WM detail/swap/paint *all* app detail That is, there would be little difference in the total elapsed time, but instead of seeing a slow app + window manager, the user sees a fast WM, followed by a fast app. It's the same reason the trade of slightly slower execution vs. fast startup following the command being issued was made in the exec loader. The speed decrease in the overall execution was negligible, but the speed increase between hitting return and the program doing *something* was astonishing. There is room for similar trading in admistrative tool interfaces. Plus a nice bonus of a uniform command line interface for all admin tools written for the job (since they don't need scripting to hook them). 8-). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 20:20:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA19450 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:20:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA19445 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21043 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:20:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199512190420.UAA21043@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Lounge 8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:20:17 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, It sure is a whole lot of fun to hang out on our Global Conferencing channel on the MBONE. If you are are having problems with your tunnel POST to the mbone mailing list mbone@ISI.EDU. It helps if you do an mtrace to sort of get a clue of where things are going bad . Yes, there is a man page for mtrace in the distribution. If you are having problems with your tunnel provider or they are just plain old asinine , please do consider posting to mbone@ISI.EDU to request a different tunnel and state why you wish to change your tunnel. Make sure that you are running mrouted3.8 which you can get from: ftp://parcftp.xerox.com/pub/net-research/ipmulti/mrouted3.8-i386-bsd.tar.gz mrouted 3.8 is not really optional if you are not running mrouted3.8 and are having problems you will probably be asked to upgrade and flamed. Join the Global Village 8) Amancio From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 21:25:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA23784 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:25:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glock.COM (root@glock.com [198.82.228.165]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23779 Mon, 18 Dec 1995 21:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mmead@localhost) by Glock.COM (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA10869; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:25:21 -0500 (EST) From: "matthew c. mead" Message-Id: <199512190525.AAA10869@Glock.COM> Subject: SPRY Safety Server for BSDI To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:25:21 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm wanting to purchase and run the SPRY Safety Web Server for BSDI, but under FreeBSD. However, when I attempt to run it, I get a seg fault each time. Here's a ktrace output: root@Glock % kdump 10248 ktrace RET ktrace 0 10248 ktrace CALL execve(0xefbfd89f,0xefbfd818,0xefbfd828) 10248 ktrace NAMI "./httpd" 10248 httpd RET execve 0 10248 httpd PSIG SIGSEGV SIG_DFL Here's what file httpd outputs: root@Glock % file httpd httpd: BSD/386 demand paged (first page unmapped) pure ex Anyone have any ideas? -matt -- Matthew C. Mead mmead@Glock.COM http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 22:44:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA26264 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA26258 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA15570; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:41:11 -0800 To: Terry Lambert cc: dennis@etinc.com (dennis), hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 13:21:40 MST." <199512182021.NAA12239@phaeton.artisoft.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 22:41:11 -0800 Message-ID: <15568.819355271@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Consider that the framework hierarchy of the presentation interface > need bear no resemeblence to the underlying interface. > [example elided] Hmmmm. I can see how that could work. Such things are always best implemented, at least to POC stage, by the original architect, however! :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 23:27:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA27617 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27612 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com ([165.254.13.209]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id HAA04466 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 07:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from trumpet.etnet.com (trumpet.etnet.com [129.45.17.35]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04294; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:46:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:46:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199512121546.KAA04294@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Amancio Hasty Jr." From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Amancio Hasty, Jr. writes.... > T. Lambert writes..... > > I would point out first that anyone who hacks changes to the system, > > and in particular, the kernel, *IS* in fact paying for changes in the > > system. They are paying at their normal consulting rate as an > > opportunity cost. When I hack BSD, I pay on the order of $60-$120/hour > > for the priviledge. So I see little difference between me spending > > several thousand dollars of my time coding, or earning money which > > I then pay someone else to do coding for me. The second case does > > not then ennoble the code. > >Nice try, consider this : >Perhaps we can attract more people if they get paid . I think you're missing the basic premise here. If you do it on your own time you do what you want, if you get paid you do what you're told to do. The whole perspective of why you do things changes. Now you do it for neatness, coolness, wowity or whatever. Once you cross the commercial bridge you do things as a marketing strategy to get more customers or larger margins. You're either a man or a woman....there is no in-between. It seems from this discussion that what you really want to do is set up a paid consultants network...which is much different than an O/S support arm. If you want to make money doing what you now do for nothing...there's nothing wrong with that, but you can't make FreeBSD "kind-of" commercial without substantially changing it's focus. db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Dec 18 23:39:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA28106 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from jhome.DIALix.COM (root@jhome.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.69]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA28101 for ; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:39:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by jhome.DIALix.COM (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13516; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:35:46 +0800 (WST) From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199512190735.PAA13516@jhome.DIALix.COM> Subject: Re: CD WORM To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:35:46 +0800 (WST) Cc: ag@leo.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de In-Reply-To: <12675.819308557@westhill.cdrom.com> from "gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com" at Dec 18, 95 09:42:37 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The burner that jordan leant me is broken.. it won't load a disk.. when I get back (Jan 10) jordan os going to give me another to try. and I hope to get further with it.. > > > Armin Gruner wrote in message ID > : > > sorry for intruding the list without being on it :-) but we've the following > > problem here: We tried to connect a WORM to our FreeBSD machine, but have > > no luck so far. I both tried 2.1 with NEW_SCSICONF, and -current as of 12/18. > > Okay. The story generally is ``it don't work''. Julian (Elischer) had > Jordan's burner, but I think he's debunked back to Oz, so I'm not sure > what's happening. > > > (aha0:4:0): "PINNACLE RCD-1000 1.33" type 4 removable SCSI 2 > > worm0(aha0:4:0): Write-Once - UNTESTED > > worm0(aha0:4:0): NOT READY asc:4,1 > > worm0(aha0:4:0): Logical unit is in process of becoming ready > > worm0: oops not queued > > > > worm0(aha0:4:0): could not get size > > - can't get capacity. > > That's better than I got the last time I tried (admittedly ~5 months > ago) - it panic'd the machine! (Although I do seem to remember that > being fixed) I got the burner here to the point where I was about ready to write.. but it keeps spitting out the disk.. so..... the 'oops not queued' message must be from 2.1 right? I am sure I fixed that (false) message.. it MIGHT be ready to write at this stage..(under -current) did you try write to it..? julian > > Gary > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 00:41:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA01058 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA01053 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 00:41:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24127; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:40:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: "Frank ten Wolde" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Order of rules in ip_fw chain In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:11:34 MST." <199512181711.KAA23836@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:40:21 +0100 Message-ID: <24125.819362421@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I think we disagree here, or our needs differ greatly :-) I still think > > it's better for safety that *if* my Bastion host is compromised (someone > > evil becomes root) they still cannot flush the fw chain. > > Agreed. My statement was made to say that I think we need to have more > security levels than the current version, so we can still have a secure > system and *still* allow modifications of the ipfw chain. It doesn't > have to be an all or nothing affair. I think having one global secure-level, and one level for each "feature" to override: This could for instance be done like this: sysctl -w kern.ipfw.securelevel=1 (if it's zero, the kern.securelevel decides.) sysctl -w kern.securelevel=2 -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 01:17:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA02551 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA02545 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id LAA17247 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:26:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id DAA08741 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 03:23:13 +0800 (WST) Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 13 Dec 1995 03:12:41 +0800 From: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: <4akk79$89r$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: , <199512111122.MAA08607@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: mail storm Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schneider) writes: >Jonathan M. Bresler writes: >>On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Wolfram Schneider wrote: >> >>> Christoph P. Kukulies writes: >>> >Overnight I had received 650 mails or so (instead of 120 - my >>> >normal daily load) and many of these are deja-vu mails. >>> >>> Me too. I detect funny ``Received: '' lines, 550 mails via ra.dkuug.dk >>> and 100 mails via th-darmstadt.de. >> >> send me one, including headers please, if you have any that you >>have not deleted >I received 2760 Mails since november 29. 83 Mails are dups, mostly >cross postings (cc: hackers, current). 10 Mails seems really dups, but >10 Mails is not a problem for me ... >Wolfram I have an explaination for the volume and a theory about the duplicates.. The basic problem was that due to bad connectivity from freefall to europe and other places, there was a MAJOR pileup of queued mail on freefall. There were nearly 1000 emails to *.de sites that had been sitting there for 5 days, and were just about to be bounced to the postmaster on freefall (5 day timeout). I split the mail queue from one "deferred" queue on freefall to 5 queues, one for each day of backlog. After making arrangements with a FreeBSD core member in Denmark (Poul-Henning Kamp), *all* of the backlogged mail was sent to a machine under his control for exploding and delivery to the *.de and other north-eastern european sites. This would account for the massive flood of email. You could have receieved as many as 900 to 1000 emails over a few hours. Also, there is an race condition in the SMTP protocol that is tickled on bad internet links. Picture this: The originator (freefall) writes out the message and the trailing "." to end the body, and waits for the response for a few minutes. If it doesn't get a response, it times out and requeues the message... *however*, the network may be slow, and the final 10 or 20K of data including the "." may take a few minutes to arrive, and the numberic response code may be delayed due to the pathological TCP retransmit backoff.. But in reality, the remote machine receieved the mail via SMTP and responded, but freefall had given up waiting. At this point, there is now a duplicate mail in the system..... Considering the sheer volume of mail sent, and the current extreme packet losses across international links, I suspect it is most likely a manifestation of the SMTP race condition. We can only fix that by lengthening the SMTP transaction timeouts, which will cause freefall's mail queue to suffer even more in the face of the numerous genuine broken mailers out there, that genuinely timeout. If the problem persists, we may have to try something... -Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 01:50:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA04019 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA03933 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 01:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id KAA20780; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:49:05 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id KAA09420; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:49:05 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA02526; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:02:53 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512190902.KAA02526@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: CD WORM To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:02:53 +0100 (MET) Cc: ag@leo.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <12675.819308557@westhill.cdrom.com> from "gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com" at Dec 18, 95 09:42:37 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com wrote: > > problem here: We tried to connect a WORM to our FreeBSD machine, > but have > no luck so far. I both tried 2.1 with NEW_SCSICONF, and > -current as of 12/18. > Okay. The story generally is ``it don't work''. Julian (Elischer) had > Jordan's burner, but I think he's debunked back to Oz, so I'm not sure > what's happening. Hmm, does anybody know if Julian has left something substantial new before leaving? Our company bought a burner a couple of days ago, so i've finally got full-time access to it. (Don't ask me for the name though.) As soon as i've got enough of time to play with it, i'm going to implement more towards a working driver. > > (aha0:4:0): "PINNACLE RCD-1000 1.33" type 4 removable SCSI 2 > > worm0(aha0:4:0): Write-Once - UNTESTED > > worm0(aha0:4:0): NOT READY asc:4,1 > > worm0(aha0:4:0): Logical unit is in process of becoming ready > > worm0: oops not queued > > > > worm0(aha0:4:0): could not get size > > - can't get capacity. > > That's better than I got the last time I tried (admittedly ~5 months > ago) - it panic'd the machine! (Although I do seem to remember that > being fixed) Yup, that's been me. :) But that last burner (a Yamaha CDR-100) wasn't ours, so i've got access to it only for a weekend. That's why i've been basically stuck at the point where i've got in response to a dd(1) command: worm0...: Incorrect command sequence. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 02:51:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA07325 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:51:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from wiley.muc.ditec.de (wiley.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA07320 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 02:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.enet (slip139-92-42-155.emea.ibm.net [139.92.42.155]) by wiley.muc.ditec.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA06167; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:49:26 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.enet (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA14395; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:49:55 +0100 Message-Id: <199512181549.QAA14395@vector.enet> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.enet: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Julian Elischer cc: hackers@freebsd.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. (Internet Unix & C Consultants) Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (pending reconfig) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.4 10/10/95 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:42:38 +0800." <199512171542.XAA02873@jhome.DIALix.COM> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:49:54 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi Julian, Reference: > From: Julian Elischer > Subject: Re: FreeBSD-current-stable ??? > Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 23:42:38 +0800 (WST) > Message-id: <199512171542.XAA02873@jhome.DIALix.COM> > current@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org, cracauer@wavehh.hanse.de, > jkh@freebsd.org Cross posting to hackers & current is discouraged I believe ? Best Regards, Julian. -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 03:05:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA08125 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA08117 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA02661 for hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:05:40 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199512191105.EAA02661@hemi.com> Subject: Help with telnet, flow control, and IXON. To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 04:05:40 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, [Background] We have users logging into a FreeBSD 2.0.5-R machine by modem via a terminal server. Users connect from the terminal server to the FreeBSD box via `telnet', with the escape character supressed so they can transfer files (this all works fine.) [Problem] Users running certain applications on the FreeBSD box sometimes get garbled output. To be exact, the garbled output occurs soon after an application turns off IXON in the terminal's c_iflag. The user gets a string of garbled output, then everything fixes itself. Note, if a user telnets to the FreeBSD box via an intermediate site, the garbling disappears. It also never garbles when the user is running under `script'. [Question] My temporary fix is to recompile programs like telnet, etc., making sure IXON is left alone. I'm wondering what the "real" solution is. Another thing I can't resolve in my mind: the above shows that there's software flowcontrol going on between the terminal server and the FreeBSD box. But then, why do programs like `sz' work ? Is sz smart enough to escape and switch the START and STOP flow control characters ? And if I do let applications disable IXON, what other method of flow control can be put in place ? Hardware signaling is obviously out of the question over tcp/ip. I wonder why tcp/ip's own flow control algorithm doesn't work here. Thanks in advance for any hints... it's 4am and I'm pretty confused. =-) -Ade -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 03:16:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA08801 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:16:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA08793 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 03:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id NAA21705 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:10:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA01708; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:02:57 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512122102.OAA01708@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FBSD support inc. To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:02:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: terry@lambert.org, dyson@freefall.freebsd.org, jkh@time.cdrom.com, dennis@etinc.com, julian@freefall.freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512120623.WAA06030@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Dec 11, 95 10:23:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ ... commercial support organizations: a source of spalling ... ] > Nice try, consider this : > Perhaps we can attract more people if they get paid . The point is what are they being paid to do, and by whom. It's one thing to buy programming time. It's another to get the results blessed and then integrated. A commercial organization (if it's to be successful) is customer driven, at least to an extent (it stops when it comes time to predict the future direction of customer needs: a customer doesn't always wants what they need, or need what they want). Right now FreeBSD is philosophy driven. I may personally have some philosophical differences with direction in some cases, but a single (or in the case of FreeBSD, a consensus) vision is infinitely preferable to reactionary motivation. Most companies are reactive to customers instead of proactively pursing a vision that happens to also be what a customer wants. In the reactive direction lies crisis management. In the proactive direction lies evangelism. > BTW: I am software consultant and I am very aware how much it costs me > to hack on FreeBSD. I'm glad. Some people never consider the big picture and suffer for it. [ ... argument that integration is in the long term best interests of a support organization: the same argument that proves GPL is not necessary to *force* people to contribute changes back to main line maintenance ... ] > Hmm.... > A different twist, the core people don't see a need of integrating the > changes into the system due to lets say a perception that the there > is not enough interest . In such a situation , I would imagine that > to support such a change one should charge for the cost of the > "custom" code. This would be a case of misperception on the part of the core people, and would in fact be a management problem if it happened. It's a management problem if their actions encourage a split with no attempt at coordination (best case) or compromise (worst case: the core team is to ensure standards are upheld). For a loadable module, your argument makes sense. For an architecture change, it does not. > Thats one of way of looking at it , if the "fixes" are functinally > equivalent then all I see as a problem is in picking a fix . > I would love to leave the arbitration of such a task to the core team. > Why, maybe they can serve as unbias arbitrators. What about partially overlapping code sets? We can find a particular example in the importation of the NetBSD ABI code. It bought the ability to run IBCS2 WP for X, but killed the integrated SVR4 ABI support that was in the wings for the FreeBSD originated code. Another example can be found in the existing multiport vs. Brian Litzinger's driver. There is a medium area of overlap, and there is a small area of non-overlap that both proponets believe to be critical, while discounting the values of the other persons small area. I make no judgments about normative "right"in either case. There are points on both sides. > > I am Joe-Bob's commercial support house. I have a number of fixes that > > the core team takes, and I have a number that they don't take. For > > each one that they do not take, my irritation level at having to > > reintegrate the changes each time they make a code release, or each > > time one of my customers sees a change to -current that they want that > > happens to hit close to the same code, will be increased. > > A pity that life is not a continous binary system. Look I really don't > understand your point here. I would *love* to have a bunch of people > crying because their functinal enhancements did not make it into > the release. The implication here is that there is an overflow of work > and interest on the system. ??? and an underflow in the management ability to integrate the work; in either case, the set of people who will benefit is necessarily reduced. And the pressure to split along commercial lines of conflicting interest is greatly increased. > > When I hit a sufficient irritation level, where my costs of integration > > exceed the benefits to my customers of tracking -current, "BSDI MARK II" > > pops out. > > Well, there are men and then there are babies . The latter tends to have > more emotional fits than the other. The "BSDI MARK II" option is really > not much of an option given the level of responsibility that it would > entail . A "BSDI MARK II" is not necessarily as easy as lets say > starting "OpenBSD". This assumes that the people denying the integration are "right" as a Platonic Mean. Note that my whole point is that the free and commercial efforts on the same code will have sets of goals which are not necessarily coincidental. What is "right" is subject to interpretaion in the context of your goals. > > Now the core team must play a game of appeasement, keeping the irritation > > level sufficiently low that I don't go off on my own with my existing > > customer base. > > They are already doing that ... If I don't like whats going on over here > I may chose to go Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, etc... This is certainly true. Hopefully, this means the common goals of the FreeBSD project are in line with your own. > > It really doesn't matter what he has in mind. The point is that a > > customer is not an engineer, and letting a customer drive the direction, > ** Okay all customers are not engineers or engineering organizations *** > > even indirectly, will result in changes that are expedient to appease > > the customer, and thus, at some point, below the quality criteria that > > the core team currently imposes on itself. > > Gosh, I am happy that I am not your client 8) Maybe you are, maybe you aren't and only think you are. I have lost more than one potentially lucrative consulting contract by suggesting the use of a small file box an 3x5 cards. My "customers" (quoted, since they took the suggestion instead of hiring me to code something for them) ended up being more satisfied because they got what they needed instead of what they thought they needed (ie: what the wanted initially). This is philosophically in line with my statement above, and derives from the same axiomatic basis. > What the heck , engineering for the sake of engineering is truly well > engineering for the engineers!!! If you hadn't noticed, that's the current status of the free UNIX projects. > Last but not least we are assuming that Julian is capable of starting > his proposed business. In other words, we are jumping way , way ahead > folks!! I'm quite cerain he is. My intent is to discourage wholesale migration into this type of business, since the net effect of entering into something like this without a great deal of consideration (which I'm sure Julian has already expended) will be to factionalize the developement effort. And a factionalization can only be safely coped with by adding overhead and moving further along the scale from revolutionary to eveloutionary. I believe that this is a normatively bad thing, and will in fact retard overall progress, since I think progress is revoloutionary by nature of identity. Without a reason for mediating progress (such as unacceptably negative social impact), there is no excuse for applying what would end up being a unnecessary damping force. I have a hard time believing in zero-sum economies -- but that's a topic for another discussion. Regards, Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 05:00:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14450 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jessica.RatsNest.VaBeach.VA.US. (shiva1.ipctech.com [199.181.207.231]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA14428 Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:00:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512191300.FAA14428@freefall.freebsd.org> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Pavlov's Cat" Organization: Organized? Me? Hah! To: freebsd-chat@freefall.freebsd.org, FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD-hackers) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:00:08 -240 Subject: Re: FreeBSD on laptop Reply-to: SimsS@Infi.Net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Bill/Carolyn Pechter pens: : : Absolutely. This is a different chipset than the 755/760/701 and 350/360 : series. It's a chips & techologies video set. I don't know about the : keyboard controller. Seems pretty standard. Uses a Phoenix 1.03 bios rev : with a Cyrix (according to FreeBSD's probe) 486DLC (I think it was a DLC). : : Consider the 365 a FreeBSD success story -- Linux can't seem to handle it. Nor can Win'95 every time/every config. IBM seems to throw Stinkpads together with whatever happens to be lying around on the warehouse floor. The 75x's have been a royal bone here for six months. Curse big blue. (I feel better having got THAT off my chest.) Another Big Win(tm) for FreeBSD! -- ...sjs... Steve Sims (SJS7) SimsS@Infi.Net Systems Engineer, IPC Technologies, Inc. Virginia Beach, VA "Everyone wants to save the Earth; Nobody wants to help Mom do the dishes." ...P.J. O'Roarke From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 05:02:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA14612 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:02:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from yokogawa.co.jp (yhqfm.yokogawa.co.jp [202.33.29.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA14585 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:02:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from sjc.yokogawa.co.jp ([133.140.4.100]) by yokogawa.co.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb3/3.3Wb4-firewall:08/09/94) with SMTP id WAA07739 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:01:37 +0900 Received: from leia.pa.yokogawa.co.jp by sjc.yokogawa.co.jp (4.1/6.4J.6-YOKOGAWA-R/GW) id AA23217; Tue, 19 Dec 95 22:01:36 JST Received: from cabbage by leia.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (16.8/6.4J.6-YOKOGAWA/pa) id AA26934; Tue, 19 Dec 95 22:01:36 +0900 Received: by cabbage.pa.yokogawa.co.jp (16.6/3.3Wb) id AA05407; Tue, 19 Dec 95 22:01:57 +0900 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 22:01:57 +0900 From: Mihoko Tanaka Message-Id: <9512191301.AA05407@cabbage.pa.yokogawa.co.jp> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: shmget() problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I report a problem about shmget(). (I'm using FreeBSD-2.1.0R) int shmget(key_t key, int size, int shmflg); If the 'key' has already existed in the system and set 'shmflg' as '(IPC_CREAT|IPC_EXC)', then shmget() must return the error 'EEXIST'. But shmget() doesn't return 'EEXIST'. So I can allocate the shared memory by using the same key, though it has already allocated by another process. In kern/sysv_shm.c: static int shmget_existing(p, uap, mode, segnum, retval) struct proc *p; struct shmget_args *uap; int mode; int segnum; int *retval; { struct shmid_ds *shmseg; struct ucred *cred = p->p_ucred; int error; shmseg = &shmsegs[segnum]; if (shmseg->shm_perm.mode & SHMSEG_REMOVED) { /* * This segment is in the process of being allocated. Wait * until it's done, and look the key up again (in case the * allocation failed or it was freed). */ shmseg->shm_perm.mode |= SHMSEG_WANTED; error = tsleep((caddr_t)shmseg, PLOCK | PCATCH, "shmget", 0); if (error) return error; return EAGAIN; } error = ipcperm(cred, &shmseg->shm_perm, mode); if (error) return error; if (uap->size && uap->size > shmseg->shm_segsz) return EINVAL; if (uap->shmflg & (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL) == (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ return EEXIST; *retval = IXSEQ_TO_IPCID(segnum, shmseg->shm_perm); return 0; } The priority of '==' is higher than that of '&'. I guess that it should be as following: if ((uap->shmflg & (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL)) == (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL)) ------------------------ cut cut cut ----------------------------------- --- sysv_shm.c Tue May 30 17:06:04 1995 +++ sysv_shm.c.new Tue Dec 19 21:51:07 1995 @@ -411,7 +411,7 @@ return error; if (uap->size && uap->size > shmseg->shm_segsz) return EINVAL; - if (uap->shmflg & (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL) == (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL)) + if ((uap->shmflg & (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL)) == (IPC_CREAT | IPC_EXCL)) return EEXIST; *retval = IXSEQ_TO_IPCID(segnum, shmseg->shm_perm); return 0; ------------------------ cut cut cut ----------------------------------- -- Mihoko Tanaka From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 05:32:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15858 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:32:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15852 Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id NAA23333; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 13:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) id WAA00500; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:32:09 +0100 (MET) >Received: from knobel.gun.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knobel.gun.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA00271; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:27:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:27:20 +0100 (MET) From: Andreas Klemm To: hackers@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Boot floppy, missing "install bootmanager"-only submenu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi Jordan ! We spoke about that some weeks ago. You said weeks ago on IRC, that you'd implemented me idea, to offer a "write bootmanager"- only menue point on the boot floppy just for the case, that Windows95 or Windows NT nuked your main boot sector during installation. Now I got the new 2.1 installation floppy via ftp and I saw nothing at all on the top menues. The only thing I saw was the menue about installing or not installing the boot manager after leaving the partitioning menu ... But it doesn't seem to write it immediately ... What I wanted was a simple menue, to "refresh/reinstall" the bootmanager. It should be accessable in the toplevelmenue ... What about it ?! You said, it would be there on the 2.1 floppy, I didn't find it ?! Am I getting old ? ;-) Andreas /// -- andreas@knobel.gun.de /\/\___ Wiechers & Partner Datentechnik GmbH Andreas Klemm ___/\/\/ - Support Unix - aklemm@wup.de - \/ ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/Printing/aps-491.tgz apsfilter - magic print filter 4lpd >>> knobel is powered by FreeBSD <<< From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 05:33:21 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA15940 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA15935 Tue, 19 Dec 1995 05:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from beaver.cs.washington.edu (beaver.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.1]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with ESMTP id IAA06478; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:20:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from tera.com (tera.com [128.95.3.1]) by beaver.cs.washington.edu (8.7.2/7.1be+) with SMTP id IAA03381; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from tao.UUCP by tera.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA20592; Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:16:13 PST Received: by tao.thought.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0tPXMo-0000G3C; Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:15 PST Message-Id: From: kline@tao.thought.org (Gary D. Kline) Subject: Re: What ever happened to... ? To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:15:46 -0800 (PST) Cc: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com, scrappy@hub.org, questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <18261.818754098@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 11, 95 11:41:38 pm Organization: <> thought.org: public access uNix in service... <> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk According to Jordan K. Hubbard: > > > order code: bsd-mug > > price: $9.95 > > shipping & handling: $5.00 > > > > Walnut Creek already have them :-) > > You should also note that the $5.00 S&H is per-order. Paying $15.00 > for a mug probably wouldn't make much sense, but bundling your T-shirt > and CDROM in with the same order makes it much more attractive. :-) > > Jordan > That's like going into Fry's for a couple of SIMM's and some Pepsi! (for anybody who's lived in California...) I prob'ly will order the mug evventually, but I'd sooner see some of the profit go toward _this_ cause. The same sentiments are why I order things from the NPR/PBS catalogs. gary -- Gary D. Kline kline@tao.thought.org Public access uNix From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 08:08:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18718 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:08:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from wiley.muc.ditec.de (wiley.muc.ditec.de [194.120.126.9]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18624 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 08:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from vector.enet (slip139-92-42-143.emea.ibm.net [139.92.42.143]) by wiley.muc.ditec.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA00566; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:07:08 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vector.enet (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA03704; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:19:23 +0100 Message-Id: <199512191419.PAA03704@vector.enet> X-Authentication-Warning: vector.enet: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Jukka Ukkonen cc: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert), jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rusers(3) & rnusers(3) Reply-To: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: Vector Systems Ltd. (Internet Unix & C Consultants) Address: Holz Strasse 27d, 80469 Munich, Germany Phone: +49.89.268616 Fax: +49.89.2608126 (pending reconfig) Web: http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ Mailer: EXMH version 1.6.4 10/10/95 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:38:50 +0200." <199512180938.LAA09745@jau.csc.fi> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:19:22 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Reference: > From: Jukka Ukkonen > Subject: Re: rusers(3) & rnusers(3) > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 11:38:50 +0200 (EET) > Message-id: <199512180938.LAA09745@jau.csc.fi> > > Quoting Terry Lambert: > > > > > > After getting a bit frustrated of not having the library routin - es > > > > rusers(3) and rnusers(3) available on FreeBSD I wrote them as w - ell > > > > as the underlying xdr_utmpidlearr etc. I have tested them to wo - rk > > > > > > Cool! Anybody going to pick this one up? Should I? > > > > Note that it was not posted under BSD license. It was limited such > > that you are not allowed to sell it. > > Well, my note did not say you should not sell e.g. a CD containing May we cut this sort of debate short (after all we want to talk about code right, not everyone's personal variant views on intellectual property rights :-) I believe [core@ please correct me if I'm wrong] our policy is Only to import into the src/ tree things that are UCB/BSD licence style compliant (ie take the UCB blurb, remove UCB & insert own name), with the single exception of FSF gnu/ & FSF optional non essential kernel modules ? Anything else with more restrictions goes in ports (if anywhere) Let's keep it simple folks please, Thanks :-) Jukka, Would you be willing to use a UCB/BSD style header, replacing all occurences of UCB Regents etc with your name ? (Hopefully :-) Best Regards, Julian. -- Julian H. Stacey jhs@freebsd.org http://www.freebsd.org/~jhs/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 10:12:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26123 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:12:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26110 Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA14879; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:08:27 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512191808.LAA14879@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: SPRY Safety Server for BSDI To: mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:08:27 -0700 (MST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512190525.AAA10869@Glock.COM> from "matthew c. mead" at Dec 19, 95 00:25:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I'm wanting to purchase and run the SPRY Safety Web Server for BSDI, but > under FreeBSD. However, when I attempt to run it, I get a seg fault each time. > Here's a ktrace output: > root@Glock % kdump > 10248 ktrace RET ktrace 0 > 10248 ktrace CALL execve(0xefbfd89f,0xefbfd818,0xefbfd828) > 10248 ktrace NAMI "./httpd" > 10248 httpd RET execve 0 > 10248 httpd PSIG SIGSEGV SIG_DFL > > Here's what file httpd outputs: > root@Glock % file httpd > httpd: BSD/386 demand paged (first page unmapped) pure ex What exact version of FreeBSD are you running? Are you running the latest commits for the 2.0 compatability from -current? If you aren't, the problem is most likely that the environment is being referenced in the exec for duplication of the envirnment of the exec caller for the replacement process. The recent patches address the issue of the BSDI 2.x environment relocation changes that make BSDI 1.x and 2.x incompatible. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 10:16:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26442 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:16:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26437 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:16:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA14896; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:12:42 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512191812.LAA14896@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Help with telnet, flow control, and IXON. To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:12:42 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512191105.EAA02661@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Dec 19, 95 04:05:40 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > [Background] > > We have users logging into a FreeBSD 2.0.5-R machine by modem via > a terminal server. Users connect from the terminal server to the > FreeBSD box via `telnet', with the escape character supressed so > they can transfer files (this all works fine.) > > [Problem] > > Users running certain applications on the FreeBSD box sometimes > get garbled output. To be exact, the garbled output occurs soon > after an application turns off IXON in the terminal's c_iflag. > The user gets a string of garbled output, then everything fixes > itself. > > Note, if a user telnets to the FreeBSD box via an intermediate > site, the garbling disappears. It also never garbles when the > user is running under `script'. Probably this is old vs. new termio. In the old days, BSD didn't support turning off parity very well. Probably your intermediate site's telnet is stripping the high (parity) bit. You haven't explained how the output is garbled, but if it's odd (high bit value) characters, this is probably what's going on. You need to make sure the programs use the *new* termios mechanism for setting/resetting XON. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 11:00:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA28388 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from abf.abaforum.es (abf.abaforum.es [193.127.90.99]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA28374 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from node11.abaforum.es (node4.abaforum.es [193.127.90.4]) by abf.abaforum.es (8.6.9/6.2) with SMTP id TAA14258 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:47:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:47:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199512191847.TAA14258@abf.abaforum.es> X-Sender: jesusr@abf.abaforum.es X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Jesus Rodriguez Subject: i'm sorry Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello everybody. Sorry for sending a file like a mail, and send the same mail more than one time, but my direct Internet connection was down, and i did it throug PC Board bbs and Qmail, and was not ok. Sorry every body, and i'll try don't do it again... Thanks... From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 11:23:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29155 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:23:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.bbcc.ctc.edu (ZEUS.BBCC.CTC.EDU [134.39.180.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29146 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:22:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by zeus.bbcc.ctc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02123; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:25:28 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:25:28 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4akk79$89r$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Reply-To: chrisc@MAIL.bbcc.ctc.edu Organization: Big Bend Community College From: Chris Coleman To: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: mail storm Cc: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed Dec 13 03:12:41 1995 Peter Wemm wrote: >>wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schneider) writes: > >>Jonathan M. Bresler writes: >>>On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Wolfram Schneider wrote: >>> >>>> Christoph P. Kukulies writes: >>>> >Overnight I had received 650 mails or so (instead of 120 - my >>>> >normal daily load) and many of these are deja-vu mails. >>>> >>>> Me too. I detect funny ``Received: '' lines, 550 mails via ra.dkuug.dk >>>> and 100 mails via th-darmstadt.de. >>> >>> send me one, including headers please, if you have any that you >>>have not deleted > >>I received 2760 Mails since november 29. 83 Mails are dups, mostly >>cross postings (cc: hackers, current). 10 Mails seems really dups, but >>10 Mails is not a problem for me ... > >>Wolfram > >I have an explaination for the volume and a theory about the duplicates.. > >The basic problem was that due to bad connectivity from freefall to >europe and other places, there was a MAJOR pileup of queued mail on >freefall. There were nearly 1000 emails to *.de sites that had been >sitting there for 5 days, and were just about to be bounced to the >postmaster on freefall (5 day timeout). > >I split the mail queue from one "deferred" queue on freefall to 5 >queues, one for each day of backlog. > >After making arrangements with a FreeBSD core member in Denmark >(Poul-Henning Kamp), *all* of the backlogged mail was sent to a >machine under his control for exploding and delivery to the *.de and >other north-eastern european sites. This would account for the >massive flood of email. You could have receieved as many as 900 to >1000 emails over a few hours. > >Also, there is an race condition in the SMTP protocol that is >tickled on bad internet links. Picture this: The originator >(freefall) writes out the message and the trailing "." to end the >body, and waits for the response for a few minutes. If it doesn't get >a response, it times out and requeues the message... *however*, the >network may be slow, and the final 10 or 20K of data including the "." >may take a few minutes to arrive, and the numberic response code may >be delayed due to the pathological TCP retransmit backoff.. But in >reality, the remote machine receieved the mail via SMTP and responded, >but freefall had given up waiting. At this point, there is now a >duplicate mail in the system..... > >Considering the sheer volume of mail sent, and the current extreme >packet losses across international links, I suspect it is most likely >a manifestation of the SMTP race condition. We can only fix that by >lengthening the SMTP transaction timeouts, which will cause freefall's >mail queue to suffer even more in the face of the numerous genuine >broken mailers out there, that genuinely timeout. If the problem >persists, we may have to try something... > >-Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 11:24:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29258 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:24:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.bbcc.ctc.edu (ZEUS.BBCC.CTC.EDU [134.39.180.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29194 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:23:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chris@localhost) by zeus.bbcc.ctc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02126; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:26:25 GMT Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:26:25 GMT Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.3-beta [p0] on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <4akk79$89r$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Reply-To: chrisc@MAIL.bbcc.ctc.edu Organization: Big Bend Community College From: Chris Coleman To: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: mail storm Cc: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed Dec 13 03:12:41 1995 Peter Wemm wrote: >>wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfram Schneider) writes: > >>Jonathan M. Bresler writes: >>>On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, Wolfram Schneider wrote: >>> >>>> Christoph P. Kukulies writes: >>>> >Overnight I had received 650 mails or so (instead of 120 - my >>>> >normal daily load) and many of these are deja-vu mails. >>>> >>>> Me too. I detect funny ``Received: '' lines, 550 mails via ra.dkuug.dk >>>> and 100 mails via th-darmstadt.de. >>> >>> send me one, including headers please, if you have any that you >>>have not deleted > >>I received 2760 Mails since november 29. 83 Mails are dups, mostly >>cross postings (cc: hackers, current). 10 Mails seems really dups, but >>10 Mails is not a problem for me ... > >>Wolfram > >I have an explaination for the volume and a theory about the duplicates.. > >The basic problem was that due to bad connectivity from freefall to >europe and other places, there was a MAJOR pileup of queued mail on >freefall. There were nearly 1000 emails to *.de sites that had been >sitting there for 5 days, and were just about to be bounced to the User error could also account for alot of it. I am using xfmail and it core dumps everytime i try to cut and paste from a reply message. It took me three or four times to realize exactly what was happening But in the meantime, unbeknownst to me, it was sending a copy of the letter I was working on out to the mailing list. oops >postmaster on freefall (5 day timeout). > >I split the mail queue from one "deferred" queue on freefall to 5 >queues, one for each day of backlog. > >After making arrangements with a FreeBSD core member in Denmark >(Poul-Henning Kamp), *all* of the backlogged mail was sent to a >machine under his control for exploding and delivery to the *.de and >other north-eastern european sites. This would account for the >massive flood of email. You could have receieved as many as 900 to >1000 emails over a few hours. > >Also, there is an race condition in the SMTP protocol that is >tickled on bad internet links. Picture this: The originator >(freefall) writes out the message and the trailing "." to end the >body, and waits for the response for a few minutes. If it doesn't get >a response, it times out and requeues the message... *however*, the >network may be slow, and the final 10 or 20K of data including the "." >may take a few minutes to arrive, and the numberic response code may >be delayed due to the pathological TCP retransmit backoff.. But in >reality, the remote machine receieved the mail via SMTP and responded, >but freefall had given up waiting. At this point, there is now a >duplicate mail in the system..... > >Considering the sheer volume of mail sent, and the current extreme >packet losses across international links, I suspect it is most likely >a manifestation of the SMTP race condition. We can only fix that by >lengthening the SMTP transaction timeouts, which will cause freefall's >mail queue to suffer even more in the face of the numerous genuine >broken mailers out there, that genuinely timeout. If the problem >persists, we may have to try something... > >-Peter From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 11:39:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA29907 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA29902 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 11:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA16797; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:35:19 +0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:35:18 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: FreeBSD hackers Subject: Re: CD-Rom changes with BSDI? (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Can I expect the same under fbsd? jbeukema ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 19:53:03 -0800 From: Greg Shenaut To: sonet!bsdi.com!bsdi-users@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: CD-Rom changes with BSDI? In message , John Antypas quoth: > >Subject says it all. > >I purchased a MBR-7 CD-Rom changer from Disk Drive Depot in the Baay Area. >For $129, if it only worked under Dos and Windows, I figured I couldn't >go wrong. Sure enough, it created seven drives under Dos. > >However, looking at it closely, what it did was create a drive of the >form: > > target 4 lun 0 (Cd-rom #0) > lun 1 (Cd-rom #1) > lun .. .. > lun 6 (Cd-rom #6) > >This seems like it could work nicely under BSDI. Would it not just probe >as sd2, sd3, sd4, sd5, .... sd8. > >How does BSDI handle targets vs. units, vs. "sd" style disk drives? I don't know about that drive in particular, but I have a six disk CDROM changer from Pioneer which is designed as you describe. Under BSD/OS 2.0 it works fine (it didn't work under 1.0 or 1.1), and probes exactly as you surmise. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 12:40:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA04624 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:40:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (news@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04542 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:39:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from news@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id EAA01158 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 04:39:36 +0800 (WST) Received: from GATEWAY by haywire.DIALix.COM with netnews for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (problems to: usenet@haywire.dialix.com) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: 20 Dec 1995 04:39:31 +0800 From: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) Message-ID: <4b77u3$142$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. References: <199512190525.AAA10869@Glock.COM> Subject: Re: SPRY Safety Server for BSDI Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk mmead@Glock.COM (matthew c. mead) writes: > I'm wanting to purchase and run the SPRY Safety Web Server for BSDI, but >under FreeBSD. However, when I attempt to run it, I get a seg fault each time. >Here's a ktrace output: >root@Glock % kdump > 10248 ktrace RET ktrace 0 > 10248 ktrace CALL execve(0xefbfd89f,0xefbfd818,0xefbfd828) > 10248 ktrace NAMI "./httpd" > 10248 httpd RET execve 0 > 10248 httpd PSIG SIGSEGV SIG_DFL >Here's what file httpd outputs: >root@Glock % file httpd >httpd: BSD/386 demand paged (first page unmapped) pure ex Sounds like a BSD/OS 2.0 executable.. Would that be right? I've just implemented binary compatability for BSD/OS 2.0 in -current about a week or so ago.. That might not be much help for you if you are using 2.1 though... > Anyone have any ideas? BSD/OS 2.0 binary support for the -stable branch (and hence, 2.1.1) would be pretty easy to add without too much pain or trauma.. it involves moving a data structure that is "placed" on the user stack during exec, and that 'ps' also looks for. To run BSD/OS binaries, we have to implement their stack layout. They have done it that way so they can optimise process startup by using pre-built argv[] and environ[] lists rather than counting them in crt0.o. That strategy is pretty dangerous, as it prevents growth of the kernel virtual memory space. -Peter >-matt >-- >Matthew C. Mead >mmead@Glock.COM >http://www.Glock.COM/~mmead/ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 12:42:23 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA04883 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04876 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:42:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [199.183.109.242] by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:41:38 -0600 X-Sender: rkw@shark.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:41:41 -0600 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Ports Tree Empty :-( Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just extracted the RELENG_2_1_0 branch from the -cvs tree. The ports tree comes up totally empty. I do not think that this is appropriate. The (-stable) branch which this represents SHOULD have a full tree of ports, even if they are not as up-to-date as the (-current) branch. ---- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 12:44:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05080 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:44:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05030 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:44:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA20834; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:43:36 -0800 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Subject: Re: General comments on 2.1 install In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:10:46 +0100." <199512192010.VAA04805@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:43:35 -0800 Message-ID: <20832.819405815@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > What's the exact error that's returned? I could think of two problems: Basically, the error that occurs is that all attempts to access /dev/fd0, post umount(..., MNT_FORCE), return -1 for the open (I'm not sure what errno is set to - I can check). If I launch the shell after the chroot happens, this does not occur. Jordan > > The mounted floppy still has device nodes that are open. In this > case, forcibly unmounting (umount -f, or unmount(..., MNT_FORCE)) > would help. > > OTOH, i don't have a clue how the mfs_root mount is accomplished. > Perhaps it's shadowing the mounted (by the boot process) floppy? In > this case, i don't think there's a quick fix. > > -- > cheers, J"org > > joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 12:55:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA05641 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:55:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05636 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA08980 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:53:01 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id VAA13558; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:16:26 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id VAA22321; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:16:20 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA04805; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:10:46 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512192010.VAA04805@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: General comments on 2.1 install To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:10:46 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <16718.819371781@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 19, 95 03:16:21 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > Gee, guys, I've covered this a couple of times before. I can't launch the > shell until I chroot or I lose the floppy. I can't chroot until I've got a > reasonable enough environment to chroot *to* or it's kinda pointless! > > That's why it makes the most sense to chroot after I have the root > floppy. Yes, I agree it's a pain. Give me some fix for the problem > that clamps down on the root floppy and I'll happily fork off the EHS > any time you like! What's the exact error that's returned? I could think of two problems: The mounted floppy still has device nodes that are open. In this case, forcibly unmounting (umount -f, or unmount(..., MNT_FORCE)) would help. OTOH, i don't have a clue how the mfs_root mount is accomplished. Perhaps it's shadowing the mounted (by the boot process) floppy? In this case, i don't think there's a quick fix. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 13:41:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08401 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08395 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:41:43 -0800 (PST) From: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05757 ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:41:36 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports Tree Empty :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:41:41 CST." Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:41:34 -0800 Message-ID: <5755.819409294@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Richard Wackerbarth wrote in message ID : > I just extracted the RELENG_2_1_0 branch from the -cvs tree. > The ports tree comes up totally empty. > I do not think that this is appropriate. > The (-stable) branch which this represents SHOULD have a full tree of > ports, even if they are not as up-to-date as the (-current) branch. Err? The ports tree has NEVER been branched ONCE 'cos it would be a TOTAL nightmare to administrate if we did... hence extracting with RELENG_2_1_0 will get you an empty tree! Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 13:45:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08654 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08645 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA27714; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:47:40 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:47:40 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512192147.OAA27714@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports Tree Empty :-( In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I just extracted the RELENG_2_1_0 branch from the -cvs tree. > The ports tree comes up totally empty. I don't think the ports tree was ever tagged when the release was made as the ports were changing even after the tree was tagged. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 13:48:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA08813 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from westhill.cdrom.com (westhill.cdrom.com [192.216.223.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08798 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:47:58 -0800 (PST) From: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by westhill.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05789 ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:47:38 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: westhill.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: peter@haywire.dialix.com (Peter Wemm) cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SPRY Safety Server for BSDI In-reply-to: Your message of "20 Dec 1995 04:39:31 +0800." <4b77u3$142$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:47:37 -0800 Message-ID: <5785.819409657@westhill.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Peter Wemm wrote in message ID <4b77u3$142$1@haywire.DIALix.COM>: > I've just implemented binary compatability for BSD/OS 2.0 in -current > about a week or so ago.. That might not be much help for you if you > are using 2.1 though... Would anyone object to this change being brought onto the 2.1 branch? It sounds like it wouldn't be a `risky' change, and also is a win. Gary From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 13:53:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA09244 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:53:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from haywire.DIALix.COM (peter@haywire.DIALix.COM [192.203.228.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09239 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from peter@localhost) by haywire.DIALix.COM (sendmail) id FAA04963; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:52:46 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:52:46 +0800 (WST) From: Peter Wemm To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SPRY Safety Server for BSDI In-Reply-To: <5785.819409657@westhill.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 19 Dec 1995 gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com wrote: > > Peter Wemm wrote in message ID > <4b77u3$142$1@haywire.DIALix.COM>: > > I've just implemented binary compatability for BSD/OS 2.0 in -current > > about a week or so ago.. That might not be much help for you if you > > are using 2.1 though... > > Would anyone object to this change being brought onto the 2.1 branch? > It sounds like it wouldn't be a `risky' change, and also is a win. Maybe, but not yet.. Lets find out if there's something that I've missed first... -Peter > Gary > From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 14:51:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA12329 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:51:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA12302 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id AAA14228 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:51:12 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with ESMTP id AAA09630 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:34:34 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id AAA14657 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:34:33 +0200 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:34:33 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199512192234.AAA14657@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: (fwd) FYI: NRL IPv6/IPsec software available Organization: Electronni Visti InformAgency (ElVisti) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk To: bsdi-users@BSDI.COM Sender: owner-bsdi-users@hidden-foes.gateway.com Subject: FYI: NRL IPv6/IPsec software available From: Ran Atkinson FYI: The NRL implementation of IPv6 and IP Security (for both IPv4 and IPv6) has mysteriously appeared online at: ftp://ftp.c2.org ftp://ftp.hacktic.nl This software is of "alpha release" quality and includes source for the following features: (1) a prototype of IPv6 (aka IPng) including the changes needed in upper-layer protocols, the rest of the kernel, and some selected applications (e.g. telnet, netstat, ifconfig). (2) a prototype of IP Security [RFC-1825 thru RFC-1829] that works with either IPv4 or IPv6. This also includes -- PF_KEY, which is the new Key Management API for BSD systems -- Key Engine to store and manage Security Associations, including keys, inside the BSD kernel. -- cryptographic authentication using Keyed MD5 -- confidentiality via use of DES in CBC mode -- libdes-3.00 (to implement the above; this is export-controlled) It will drop into BSDI with little effort and should compile out of the box. It is not supported software and is only useful to kernel hackers with full sources. Beginners ought NOT start with this software. Problems with the implementation (or better, patches with bug fixes or enhancements) should be sent to: ipv6-bugs@itd.nrl.navy.mil For now, the folks at NRL continue to work on enhancing this software and it is hoped that another software snapshot will appear online soon (but only they know when it will happen :-). Ran rja@inet.org -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 An undocumented feature is a coding error. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 15:10:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA13600 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:10:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA13592 Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512192310.PAA13592@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ports Tree Empty :-( In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:41:41 CST." Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:10:34 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I just extracted the RELENG_2_1_0 branch from the -cvs tree. >The ports tree comes up totally empty. >I do not think that this is appropriate. >The (-stable) branch which this represents SHOULD have a full tree of >ports, even if they are not as up-to-date as the (-current) branch. > >---- >Richard Wackerbarth >rkw@dataplex.net The ports tree was never tagged. I think the idea was that the -current ports tree would continue to work for 2.1 systems. If that is not the case, then we've screwed up. If/When we decide to do something that will break this functionality, we should tag the ports tree. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 16:57:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA19760 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19754 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA25286; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:57:19 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Ports. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk mpeg_play doesn't work out of ports on the first site, there's several new versions, and the file listed doesn't work. The port should be updated. I have not tried it with mpeg_play-2.3 to see if it works OK on FreeBSD. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 17:08:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA20064 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:08:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20050 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA25303; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:07:57 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 'nudder port problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ncftp-2.2.2 isn't in distfiles, so when UNL fails, and it goes over to ftp.freebsd.org to get it, it 'tain't there. From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 17:28:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA20862 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu (root@gold.tc.umn.edu [128.101.115.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20857 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dialup-4-2.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 19 Dec 95 19:27:12 -0600 To: hackers@freebsd.org From: "dujin ayitoro" Subject: freebsd development Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:36:01 Message-Id: <30d766726a9a002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am interested in being involved in the FreeBSD Project. Please send info. Also. I would like to know if FreeBSD is available for the PowerPC. Dujin Ayitoro From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 19:17:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA25338 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:17:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell.monmouth.com (shell.monmouth.com [205.164.220.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA25333 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pechter@localhost) by shell.monmouth.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA21356; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:16:04 -0500 From: Bill/Carolyn Pechter Message-Id: <199512200316.WAA21356@shell.monmouth.com> Subject: Re: Toshiba XM-4101TA CDROM drive To: gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:16:03 -0500 (EST) Cc: FreeBSD-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD-hackers) In-Reply-To: <6089.819413602@westhill.cdrom.com> from "gpalmer@westhill.cdrom.com" at Dec 19, 95 02:53:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Hi > > A customer called with a problem with a Toshiba 4101 CDROM drive. It > seems to be correctly probed on boot time, but when he tries to mount > the CDROM, he gets `device not configured' despite the fact there is a > CDROM in the drive. (It's attached to an AIC 7870 controller on the > PC's motherboard). > > Anyone got any ideas? This is under FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE. > > Thanks! > > Yours > > Gary > > With my 4101 I need to wait a couple of seconds after closing the disk in it for it to get ready. Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Pechter/Carolyn Pechter | The postmaster always pings twice. Lakewood MicroSystems | 17 Meredith Drive, 908-389-3592 | Tinton Falls, NJ 07724 pechter@shell.monmouth.com | From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 20:02:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA27381 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (staff.cs.su.OZ.AU [129.78.8.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA27367 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from un.seqeb.gov.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from daemon for hackers@freebsd.org) with MHSnet; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:01:51 +1100 Received: from svcc.seqeb.gov.au by un.seqeb.gov.au; (5.65/GJW251095a) id AA05162; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:27:45 +1000 Received: by svcc.seqeb.gov.au (5.57/Ultrix/4.2A and a bit) id AA25073; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:27:44 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:27:43 +1000 (EST) From: pat collins Subject: Help with lkm's please To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am writing an lkm device driver for a digital IO board. I have worked out how to move bytes from the user space to the kernel space but not vice-versa. Can anyone give me any clues on how I move data from the kernel space to the user space. Do I use the uiomove() function, if so how. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Collins - Communications Design Officer email : pc012@seqeb.gov.au South East Queensland Electricity Corporation phone : +61 7 3407 5237 2 Bowen Bridge Rd, Fortitude Valley, 4006 fax : +61 7 3407 5059 Queensland, AUSTRALIA (Best State, Best Country) Viva el Cristo Rey ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 22:56:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA02468 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA02449 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id WAA14127 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:51:58 -0800 Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id HAA02255 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:41:36 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id HAA21924 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:41:36 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id BAA10332; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:49:19 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512200049.BAA10332@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: mail storm To: peter@haywire.DIALix.COM (Peter Wemm) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:49:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4akk79$89r$1@haywire.DIALix.COM> from "Peter Wemm" at Dec 13, 95 03:12:41 am X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Peter Wemm said: > After making arrangements with a FreeBSD core member in Denmark > (Poul-Henning Kamp), *all* of the backlogged mail was sent to a > machine under his control for exploding and delivery to the *.de and > other north-eastern european sites. This would account for the > massive flood of email. You could have receieved as many as 900 to > 1000 emails over a few hours. I know you already send all the french mail to mail.fr.freebsd.org but if you have a backlog of mail to expurge, just send it to the same machine... It is connected thru a 2 Mbps to the french RENATER line, which almost the best you can find there. There are some sites on the 34 Mbps backbone, but since the US-RENATER connection is only 4 Mbps, you can hardly do better... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 23:23:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA03716 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA03696 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (oberon.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA23711; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:23:05 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA01389; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:01:15 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512192101.WAA01389@mordillo> Subject: Re: Boot floppy, missing "install bootmanager"-only submenu To: andreas@knobel.gun.de (Andreas Klemm) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 22:01:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Andreas Klemm" at Dec 12, 95 10:27:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hasn't Andreas Klemm said ? ... > > Hi Jordan ! > > We spoke about that some weeks ago. You said weeks ago on IRC, > that you'd implemented me idea, to offer a "write bootmanager"- > only menue point on the boot floppy just for the case, that > Windows95 or Windows NT nuked your main boot sector during > installation. > > Now I got the new 2.1 installation floppy via ftp and I saw nothing at > all on the top menues. > > The only thing I saw was the menue about installing or not installing > the boot manager after leaving the partitioning menu ... > But it doesn't seem to write it immediately ... > > What I wanted was a simple menue, to "refresh/reinstall" the > bootmanager. It should be accessable in the toplevelmenue ... > > What about it ?! You said, it would be there on the 2.1 floppy, > I didn't find it ?! Am I getting old ? ;-) > what about: dd if=bteasy17 of=/dev/yourdrive bs=446 count=1 this way it worked often for me - bteasy17 is uuencoded in /usr/src/release/sysinstall t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Dec 19 23:49:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA04970 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:49:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA04965 for ; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:49:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA02783 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:49:17 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA22021 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:49:02 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA10985; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:34:59 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512200734.IAA10985@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Ports. To: mrcpu@cdsnet.net (Jaye Mathisen) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:34:59 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Jaye Mathisen" at Dec 19, 95 04:57:19 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk It seems that Jaye Mathisen said: > The port should be updated. I have not tried it with mpeg_play-2.3 to > see if it works OK on FreeBSD. I think the reason it was not updated is that since 2.0.1, it requires Motif to compile if my memory serves me right... -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 00:27:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA06227 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06222 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21272; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:27:26 -0800 To: "dujin ayitoro" cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd development In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 19 Dec 1995 19:36:01." <30d766726a9a002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:27:26 -0800 Message-ID: <21270.819448046@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello Dujin, We've already made the basic project info available in Chapter 17 of the FreeBSD handbook - see http://www.freebsd.org/handbook for more information. Also, there is currently no FreeBSD available for the PowerPC (and no plans that I know of to port it). Jordan > I am interested in being involved in the FreeBSD Project. Please send info. > Also. I would like to know if FreeBSD is available for the PowerPC. > > Dujin Ayitoro > > > From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 00:52:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07446 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:52:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07440 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:52:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA14828 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:52:20 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA06792; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:50:58 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA29074; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:50:57 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08598; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:43:48 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512200843.JAA08598@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: CD-Rom changes with BSDI? (fwd) To: john@gateway.net.hk (John Beukema) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:43:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "John Beukema" at Dec 20, 95 03:35:18 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As John Beukema wrote: > > > Can I expect the same under fbsd? Nope, you should use the `changer' device (ch0). Our CDROMs aren't `sd' drives anyway. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 00:54:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA07530 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA07522 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA06800; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:51:05 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA29075; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:50:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA08624; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:45:10 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512200845.JAA08624@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: General comments on 2.1 install To: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:45:10 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <20832.819405815@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Dec 19, 95 12:43:35 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > > What's the exact error that's returned? I could think of two problems: > > Basically, the error that occurs is that all attempts to access > /dev/fd0, post umount(..., MNT_FORCE), return -1 for the open (I'm not > sure what errno is set to - I can check). If I launch the shell after > the chroot happens, this does not occur. Yes, the errno would be of interest. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 02:24:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA12315 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:24:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from easy.stallion.com (easy.stallion.com [204.31.184.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA12264 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from cluster.stallion.oz.au by easy.stallion.com id aa12850; 20 Dec 95 2:23 PST Subject: major number for new multiport serial driver To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:22:20 +1000 (AEST) From: Greg Ungerer Cc: Greg Ungerer X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <9512202022.aa07611@cluster.stallion.oz.au> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hiya FreeBSD hackers, I have coded a FreeBSD driver to support some of the Stallion Technologies multiport serial boards (in particular the EasyIO and EasyConnection 8/32 families of boards). I am just about ready to unleash it onto the world (for some alpha testing off-course!) and would like to get a character major number assigned for it. So far I just used the next spare one (67) in the 2.0.5 kernel. (Sorry haven't tryed it on 2.1 yet... :-( So how do I do that? Seeya Gerg --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@stallion.com Stallion Technologies Pty Ltd PHONE: +61 7 3270 4271 33 Woodstock Rd, Toowong, QLD 4066, Australia FAX: +61 7 3270 4245 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 02:58:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA13883 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA13878 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:58:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id GAA22968; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:05:57 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199512201105.GAA22968@hda.com> Subject: Re: CD-Rom changes with BSDI? (fwd) To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 06:05:56 -0500 (EST) Cc: john@gateway.net.hk, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512200843.JAA08598@uriah.heep.sax.de> from "J Wunsch" at Dec 20, 95 09:43:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > As John Beukema wrote: > > > > > > Can I expect the same under fbsd? > > Nope, you should use the `changer' device (ch0). Our CDROMs aren't > `sd' drives anyway. No, use the CD driver. It should attach as 7 drives, switching when you access the different LUNS. The ch driver is a media changer, I think like the Exabyte stacker. This is Hellmuth's notorious Nakamichi drive that needs a fix to work properly, though I bet that one that BDE posted is the right one. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 03:07:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id DAA14380 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA14372 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.64]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id DAA15790 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 03:07:47 -0800 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id an18626; 20 Dec 95 11:05 GMT Received: from wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk ([194.70.221.1]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa28026; 20 Dec 95 11:03 GMT Received: from PhilPC (ppp2.zipmail.co.uk [194.70.221.12]) by wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA11313; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:03:49 GMT Message-Id: <199512201103.LAA11313@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Phil Taylor Organization: Lan Systems To: Hussein Kanji Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:58:34 +0000 Subject: Re: Virtual hosting (probably a FAQ) Reply-to: phil@zipmail.co.uk CC: hackers@freebsd.org X-Confirm-Reading-To: phil@zipmail.co.uk X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > : in /etc/netstart there is a mechanism which allows this and is a bit > : cleaner than rc.local, simply create a shell file called > : /etc/start_if.{interface name} and it will be called at boot up ! > > What did you name the start_if file? Something like /etc/start_if.ep0? Yes, it will be called /etc/start_if.xxx xxx being ed0/ed1/ep0/ep1/lnc0/lnc1 etc etc If you are using a 3c509 (ep) the LINT file for 2.1R tells me this is a BUGGY driver, maybe someone can point out what the bugs are :-( > > And what did you put in it? Could you email me the contents or tell me > what is in it? > the /etc/start_if.edx file should have something like this : #!/bin/sh ifconfig edx alias xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx netmask 0xffffffff also, since I wrote that I have remembered that I also usually make a change to /etc/netstart, this seems to be a bit of a bug in the file, namely that it doesn't pull in the file correctly,(or maybe I am doing something wrong !!!) after the lines : # Set up all the network interfaces, calling startup scripts if needed for ifn in ${network_interfaces};do if [ -e I had to change this (to get it to work) to if [ -f I'm not sure why (don't know what the -e flag is) Also the interface is configured in the wrong order (or it seems to be) you need to put the : eval ifconfig_args xxxxx line and the two ifconfig ${ifn} lines BEFORE it pulls in the /etc/start_if.edx file for that interface. This seems to be because the interface aliases get over-written by the standard configuration so you need to configure the aliases AFTERWARDS. This is probably not the best way to do this so I have copied this message to hackers and I will see if anyone comes up with a better suggestion. Otherwise maybe my suggested changes could be put into /etc/netstart as this is one of the first things that I do when I set up a new FreeBSD machine. I hope that this helps Cheers Phil Taylor phil@zipmail.co.uk From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 07:02:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA22105 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA22100 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:02:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA05465; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:58:15 +1100 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:58:15 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512201458.BAA05465@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: gerg@stallion.oz.au, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: major number for new multiport serial driver Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have coded a FreeBSD driver to support some of the Stallion Technologies >multiport serial boards (in particular the EasyIO and EasyConnection 8/32 >families of boards). I am just about ready to unleash it onto the world >(for some alpha testing off-course!) and would like to get a character >major number assigned for it. So far I just used the next spare one (67) in >the 2.0.5 kernel. (Sorry haven't tryed it on 2.1 yet... :-( >So how do I do that? Get it put in -current. Then it will get the next spare major number in -current, unless it is delayed a few weeks or months until major numbers have gone away. Major numbers were never really assigned on request like old docs said. -current is close to having dynamic assignment of major numbers, with only device names being important. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 07:26:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA23650 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercurio.uc.pt (mercurio.uc.pt [192.84.15.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA23634 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 07:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt by mercurio.uc.pt (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA02388; Wed, 20 Dec 95 16:25:42 +0100 Received: by pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05053; Wed, 20 Dec 95 16:25:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 16:25:43 +0100 From: patricio@pandora.uc.pt ( Patricio Domingues) Message-Id: <9512201525.AA05053@pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: BSD's future projects ? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I just read the Byte's article (December 1995) about BSD ("Not Just Another Free Unix") and I'm interested in joining in the development of FreeBSD ( at least try...). Therefore, as advised in the above alluded article, I'm sending this e-mail to know which project are currently available for FreeBSD. I'm especially interested (but not exclusively) in Distributed Porcessing and support for multi-processing. Hope to hear from you soon, Patricio. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 08:18:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA27431 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:18:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from galactica.galactica.it (galactica.galactica.it [151.99.164.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA27385 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:17:30 -0800 (PST) From: davide@galactica.it Received: from galactica.it (uucp@localhost) by galactica.galactica.it (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id QAA16853 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:50:50 +0100 Received: by galactica.it (UUPM-1.52) id D4449Ao; Tue, Dec 19, 1995 16:56:21 EST Message-Id: <9512191656.D4449Ao@galactica.it> X-Mailer: UUPlus Mail 1.52 To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: nfsd Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 16:56:21 EST Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm trying to install nfsd in my FreeBSD 2.0 Unix Machine but my nfs client needs rpc.pcnfsd for authentication. The version on ftp.cdrom.com needs libc.so.2.2 and my system has libc.so.2.0. How can I do ? Thanks for reply Ciao Davide From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 08:26:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA28119 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28112 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:26:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ugen-tr (ugen-tr.worldbank.org [138.220.101.58]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA23919; for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:25:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 11:24:03 From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: RE: BSD's future projects ? To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, Patricio Domingues X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00.4, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >interested (but not exclusively) in Distributed Porcessing and support for multi-processing. Geez...show me Unix without multiprocessing... --Ugen From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 08:27:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA28238 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA28229 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.etinc.com ([204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA27841 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:48:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:48:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199512201648.LAA27841@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: USR Sportster 28.8 internal Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Anyone configure this for an incoming PPP connection for 2.1? I'm missing something, and the handbook doc seems a tad out of date. thanks, db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 08:44:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA29888 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from metal.ops.neosoft.com (root@metal.ops.neosoft.com [206.109.5.25]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA29848 Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:44:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from smace@localhost) by metal.ops.neosoft.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA04924; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:44:14 -0600 From: Scott Mace Message-Id: <199512201644.KAA04924@metal.ops.neosoft.com> Subject: AHA2940W problem. To: hackers@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:44:13 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm having a problem with an AHA2940W with a AIC7870P chip on it. It only probes 16 SCBs (is this normal?). And periodically I get: /kernel: ahc_scsi_cmd0: more than 256 DMA segs /kernel: sd0: oops not queued /kernel: biodone: buffer already done I forced the driver (sys/i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c) to walk the SCBs and when I did this I get 255 SCBs. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 09:09:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA02088 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:09:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02021 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA03857; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:06:01 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA02567; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:05:59 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA10228; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:41:24 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512201641.RAA10228@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: CD-Rom changes with BSDI? (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:41:23 +0100 (MET) Cc: john@gateway.net.hk Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512201105.GAA22968@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Dec 20, 95 06:05:56 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Peter Dufault wrote: > > Nope, you should use the `changer' device (ch0). Our CDROMs aren't > > `sd' drives anyway. > > No, use the CD driver. It should attach as 7 drives, switching > when you access the different LUNS. The ch driver is a media > changer, I think like the Exabyte stacker. Ooops, sorry for the confusion. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 09:18:26 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA03190 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03180 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA29680; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:20:44 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:20:44 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512201720.KAA29680@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: USR Sportster 28.8 internal In-Reply-To: <199512201648.LAA27841@etinc.com> References: <199512201648.LAA27841@etinc.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyone configure this for an incoming PPP connection for 2.1? I'm > missing something, and the handbook doc seems a tad out of date. I've got 4 external versions working fine here. Assuming it's being probed correctly it should be exactly the same (modulo the DIP switches) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 10:18:30 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA08375 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08368 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:18:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA02114; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:18:14 -0800 To: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Patricio Domingues Subject: Re: BSD's future projects ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:24:03." Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:18:14 -0800 Message-ID: <2112.819483494@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >interested (but not exclusively) in Distributed Porcessing and support for m ulti-processing. > Geez...show me Unix without multiprocessing... > --Ugen I was struck by this challenge of Ugen's and I simply had to do it! Day and night, I could hardly think of anything else! Well, after lots and lots of work, I'm proud to say that I finally got a proof-of-concept implementation working! A complete unix-clone OS *without* multiprocessing! Ta da! Check it out and tell me what you think.. I left a private copy of my working sources in: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.1.0-RELEASE :-) :-) Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 10:28:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA08892 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mercurio.uc.pt (mercurio.uc.pt [192.84.15.41]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA08887 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:28:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt by mercurio.uc.pt (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA04034; Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:28:43 +0100 Received: by pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07217; Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:28:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:28:42 +0100 From: patricio@pandora.uc.pt ( Patricio Domingues) Message-Id: <9512201828.AA07217@pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: multi-processors... Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello again, A "bug" ocurred in my previous mail... where it is written: ...and support for multi-processing it should be ... and support for multi-processors. While I'm hear I would like to thanks the yet many answers I received. Thanks! :) Bye, Patricio. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 10:53:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA09757 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.infinet.com (rigel.infinet.com [198.30.154.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09752 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from p930 by mail.infinet.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0tSTZE-000JjBC; Wed, 20 Dec 95 13:48 EST Message-ID: <30D85BA2.75FF@cylatech.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:53:22 -0500 From: Wilson MacGyver Organization: CylaTech Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" CC: hackers@FreeBSD.org, Patricio Domingues Subject: Re: BSD's future projects ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ugen J.S.Antsilevich wrote: > > >interested (but not exclusively) in Distributed Porcessing and support for multi-processing. > Geez...show me Unix without multiprocessing... > --Ugen I think he meant support for Multiprocessors. -- Wilson MacGyver macgyver@cylatech.com -------------------------------------- Veni, Vidi, Concidi. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 11:36:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA11835 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11829 Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:36:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512201936.LAA11829@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Scott Mace cc: hackers@freebsd.org, scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AHA2940W problem. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:44:13 CST." <199512201644.KAA04924@metal.ops.neosoft.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:36:42 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I'm having a problem with an AHA2940W with a AIC7870P chip on it. > >It only probes 16 SCBs (is this normal?). And periodically I get: As far as I know, the 7870 chips only have 16SCBs. > >/kernel: ahc_scsi_cmd0: more than 256 DMA segs >/kernel: sd0: oops not queued >/kernel: biodone: buffer already done DMA segs != SCBs. Each SCB has 256 possiblle DMA segs == ~1MB of data (give or take an initial page offset or only a partially used last page). Since a buffer maxes out at 64k, the driver should never encounter an I/O that consumes this many segs. Perhaps you are attempting to read/write to a tape drive with a really large block size? >I forced the driver (sys/i386/scsi/aic7xxx.c) to walk the SCBs >and when I did this I get 255 SCBs. I think that the aic7870 will only look at the first 4 bits of the SCBPTR register if EXTSCB is not turned on. Forcing the walk just confuses the driver since it usally only performs the walk if EXTSCB is turned on. It looks like the Ultra cards may come with external SCB SRAM, but I haven't fully confirmed this. I'll look through my data books later tonight to make sure that the probe is doing the right thing there. > > Scott -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 11:52:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA12421 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.access.digex.net (mail1.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA12415 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 11:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ugen-tr (ugen-tr.worldbank.org [138.220.101.58]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA26099; for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:51:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 14:49:40 From: "Ugen J.S.Antsilevich" Subject: Re: BSD's future projects ? To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, Patricio Domingues X-PRIORITY: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.00.4, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >proof-of-concept implementation working! A complete unix-clone OS >*without* multiprocessing! Ta da! Check it out and tell me what you >think.. I left a private copy of my working sources in: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/2.1.0-RELEASE Hmm..fork() works for me..:) Actually i already understood that he probably been talking about multiprocessor system but..:) --Ugen From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 13:13:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA15701 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.64]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA15696 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ak02594; 20 Dec 95 21:08 GMT Received: from wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk ([194.70.221.1]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa01241; 20 Dec 95 21:07 GMT Received: from PhilPC (kiss.demon.co.uk [158.152.97.57]) by wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA14053 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:07:05 GMT Message-Id: <199512202107.VAA14053@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Phil Taylor Organization: Lan Systems To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:01:28 +0000 Subject: D-Link DE-650 Ethernet Driver Reply-to: phil@zipmail.co.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Having used an IBM Compat PCMCIA Ethernet Card for some time on my notebook which is running 2.1 and X, when I had to give it back :-( I thought why not try that D-Link DE650 thats on the shelf, neither ze or zp recognise it (obviously because it doesn't send the correct CARD_INFO) Does anybody know anything about these cards ? What controller they use etc as I would like to get this working. Is it worth creating a whole new driver based on ze or is pccard in a useable state, I see it is now in current. Any info would be appreciated. Cheers /* Phil Taylor (phil@zipmail.co.uk) LAN Systems - LAN/WAN Specialists */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 13:21:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16204 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.via.net (ns.via.net [140.174.204.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16193 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by ns.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA07253 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:21:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:21:07 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199512202121.NAA07253@ns.via.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FFS Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was reading a paper about the lfs (log file system) and the author mentioned that there was a followup version of FFS called EFS (I think). Does anyone know if these changes got rolled into FFS? -joe From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 13:25:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16599 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:25:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.via.net (ns.via.net [140.174.204.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16594 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from joe@localhost) by ns.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA07272 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:25:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:25:31 -0800 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199512202125.NAA07272@ns.via.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Need more memory? Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a FreeBSD system used as a web server. Response has slowed down considerable in recent weeks. It is a 100Mhz Pentium, 32M ram, 1G of disk. What is a good indication of when you need to add ram. What are some general hints to improving performance. Thanks, Joe From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 13:27:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA16743 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:27:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from werple.net.au (werple.mira.net.au [203.9.190.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16729 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from cimaxp1.UUCP (Ucimlogi@localhost) by werple.net.au (8.7/8.7.1) with UUCP id IAA23736 for hackers@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:24:27 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199512202124.IAA23736@werple.net.au> X-Authentication-Warning: werple.net.au: Ucimlogi set sender to cimaxp1!jb using -f Received: by cimaxp1.cimlogic.com.au; (5.65/1.1.8.2/10Sep95-0953AM) id AA26843; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:24:53 +1100 From: John Birrell Subject: Re: Java port To: cs.berkeley.edu!asami@werple.net.au (Satoshi Asami) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:24:53 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, jb@cimlogic.com.au In-Reply-To: <199512200828.AAA00961@silvia.HIP.Berkeley.EDU> from "Satoshi Asami" at Dec 20, 95 00:28:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > * Awhile back I read that someone was attempting a port of Java to > * FreeBSD. I was wondering who was heading the port, current > * progress, and if they were looking for and extra hand. > > My impression was that the discussion went something like: > [discussion deleted] Not quite (IMO). I'm still building (and building and ...) libc_r with user thread support. I haven't had enough time to get together a package of diffs for 2.2-current. I hope it won't be too much longer. Its summer here, but I'm snowed under. 8-). It _will_ happen 'cause we've now got FreeBSD based products that depend on it. I've obtained a license for the JAVA toolkit and I've got the source sitting here waiting for me to do something with it. I haven't got time to look at using LessTif, though. If someone else wants to make a start (like getting the makefiles going and working out how LessTif fits), I'll help with the threads bit (when the parties die down 8-). > > Satoshi ;) > Regards, -- John Birrell CIMlogic Pty Ltd jb@cimlogic.com.au 119 Cecil Street Ph +61 3 9690 9600 South Melbourne Vic 3205 Fax +61 3 9690 6650 Australia Mob +61 18 353 137 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 13:29:35 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA17001 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA16996 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id NAA23137 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:29:19 -0800 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA09898; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:22:12 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA05070; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:22:11 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA11950; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:03:57 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512202103.WAA11950@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: nfsd To: davide@galactica.it Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:03:56 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9512191656.D4449Ao@galactica.it> from "davide@galactica.it" at Dec 19, 95 04:56:21 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As davide@galactica.it wrote: > I'm trying to install nfsd in my FreeBSD 2.0 Unix Machine > but my nfs client needs rpc.pcnfsd for authentication. > The version on ftp.cdrom.com needs libc.so.2.2 and my > system has libc.so.2.0. > > How can I do ? * upgrade to 2.1 or to 2.0.5, or * recompile pcnfsd; it's third-party software anyway -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 13:32:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA17211 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA17199 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 13:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA00762; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:34:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:34:37 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512202134.OAA00762@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: phil@zipmail.co.uk Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: D-Link DE-650 Ethernet Driver In-Reply-To: <199512202107.VAA14053@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> References: <199512202107.VAA14053@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Having used an IBM Compat PCMCIA Ethernet Card for some time on my > notebook which is running 2.1 and X, when I had to give it back :-( I > thought why not try that D-Link DE650 thats on the shelf, neither ze > or zp recognise it (obviously because it doesn't send the correct > CARD_INFO) > > Does anybody know anything about these cards ? What controller they > use etc as I would like to get this working. > > Is it worth creating a whole new driver based on ze or is pccard in a > useable state, I see it is now in current. The pccard stuff is getting into better shape in -current. I just sent a patch to Poul which allows it to power-on all 4 PC-Card's I have in my possesion on my IBM ThinkPad. However, we still need work in the area of new drivers, but recently the 'BSD-nomad' group in Japan posted something regarding progress they've made with a bunch of new drivers, so things are happening. In the meantime, we can always use more folks getting their hands dirty in the code, so if you want to help please feel free to dive in. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 14:19:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA20497 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from msu.edu (ibm.cl.msu.edu [35.8.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20485 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512202219.OAA20485@freefall.freebsd.org> Received: from bsdi.com by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 20 Dec 95 17:17:14 EST To: hackers@freebsd.org From: amee@bsdi.org Subject: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS Reply-To: amee@bsdi.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS PLEASE THANK YOU end /QUIT /SaVe L0g)ut?!?! help?? please send lots of gifs ThAnX yoU From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 15:07:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA23200 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from chrome.jdl.com (chrome.onramp.net [199.1.166.202]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23192 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chrome.jdl.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA22874 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:07:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199512202307.RAA22874@chrome.jdl.com> X-Authentication-Warning: chrome.jdl.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 PST." <199512202219.OAA20485@freefall.freebsd.org> Clarity-Index: null Threat-Level: none Software-Engineering-Dead-Seriousness: There's no excuse for unreadable code. Net-thought: If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your Kill file. Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:07:17 -0600 From: Jon Loeliger Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [amee@bsdi.org mercifully removed from cc: list] Apparently, amee@bsdi.org scribbled: > SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS PLEASE You know, normally we don't get abused like this until the *beginning* of the semesters. So what? Is school out and people are restless at the end of the semesters now too? I suppose this is supposed to be humorous, coming from BSDI.org and all... :-) Too bad it's "bsdi.com", where no amee lives. Catch that "Reply-To:" header? Anyone care to comment on: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20545 Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA20497 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from msu.edu (ibm.cl.msu.edu [35.8.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA20485 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:19:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512202219.OAA20485@freefall.freebsd.org> Can we find freefall's log for this one? Anyone recognize anyone? Should we have a chat with the MSU postmaster? Where: chrome 4599 % f @ibm.cl.msu.edu [ibm.cl.msu.edu] The following users are logged on: CONSPOOL GJHMAINT LEBAY MAKMAINT OPER1 PMHUNT RWWMAINT THOMAS VSM WIGGINS 07533MIK 07533NET 12863BMF 13501CNK 19277MK2 20095CRS 20974RYZ 21329DF 21329JEM 21434VS 22254DLL 22254JAC 23079MGR 23374DLH Sigh and feh, jdl PS- Besides, if Amee's gonna get all these groovy sex pics, I want them too. From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 15:55:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA25193 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25176 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA13767; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:28:14 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199512202358.KAA13767@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS To: amee@bsdi.com Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:28:13 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512202219.OAA20485@freefall.freebsd.org> from "amee@bsdi.org" at Dec 20, 95 02:19:00 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Received: from bsdi.com by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; > Wed, 20 Dec 95 17:17:14 EST >To: hackers@freebsd.org >From: amee@bsdi.org >Subject: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS >Reply-To: amee@bsdi.com I wonder if we could sell MSU on a few FreeBSD boxes to handle their mail... (Given the reply-to, I suspect a whiff of Linux-advocacy here) -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 16:08:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA25657 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:08:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from misery.bssc.org (root@[204.252.44.180]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA25652 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:08:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cosmos@localhost) by misery.bssc.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA18887; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:10:01 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Leeds Message-Id: <199512210010.TAA18887@misery.bssc.org> Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:10:00 -0500 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512202358.KAA13767@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Dec 21, 95 10:28:13 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > >Received: from bsdi.com by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; > > Wed, 20 Dec 95 17:17:14 EST > >To: hackers@freebsd.org > >From: amee@bsdi.org > >Subject: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS > >Reply-To: amee@bsdi.com > > I wonder if we could sell MSU on a few FreeBSD boxes to handle their mail... > > (Given the reply-to, I suspect a whiff of Linux-advocacy here) > and as usual, they could not even coordinate headers on fakemail, let alone coordinate anything in the ways of a useful OS> :) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 17:08:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27556 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:08:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27551 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA10030; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:08:20 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199512210108.SAA10030@hemi.com> Subject: Re: Need more memory? To: joe@ns.via.net (Joe McGuckin) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:08:20 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512202125.NAA07272@ns.via.net> from "Joe McGuckin" at Dec 20, 95 01:25:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > What is a good indication of when you need to add ram. The best indicator might be to monitor the `vmstat' utility. The two parameters to glance at are "avm" (active virtual pages) and "fre" (the size of the free list.) The avm is how much "virtual memory" your processes are using. Since some memory is shared, others can be swapped out, etc., the avm can be larger than the amount of real physical memory you have without adversely affecting performance. A rule of thumb is you're doing well when avm is less than twice your physical memory, but for a typical workstation the avm can be much larger than the physical memory and you'd still be ok. This is especially true if you're running something like X-windows. The "fre" parameter gives you a more direct (absolute) hint of how much physical memory is left free. If the free list gets real low all the time, then maybe it's time to add memory. When memory is low (as shown by huge avm and low fre), then you can see how badly you're doing by the paging activity parameters in vmstat, the "fr", "po" and "sr" parameters (and perhaps "de"). "fr" is the amount of pages freed per second. Since pages are always freed by normal activities, you'll always see some fr activity so it's less interesting normally. "sr" shows the amount of pages scanned by the clock algorithm. Activity here means you're at the short end of the stick. Basically the system is actively searching for pages to be swapped out. "de" marks an artificially placed demand to help the system from trashing... it means you're past the deep end. =) When you think the system is starting to swap (sr shows activity) then check out "po" (pages paged out) and the swap space statistics. If po is really active then you're running out of memory fast. If po shows some tiny numbers once in a very long while, it's probably just vm "trash" and not a concern. You examine the swap space statistics by using the `pstat -T' command. It will show something like `0M/127M swap space' (meaning you're using 0 swap from the 127mb you reserved.) Again, a moderate number of processes swapped out is usually fine (these processes are probably idling anyway.) You can find out which processes are swapped out by using the `ps' command (the RSS of the process will be zero, and the process will have a "W" flag marked in its state.) On the other hand, if `pstat -T' shows your swap space if full, then you pick up the microphone and say, "Houston... we got a problem..." Running other cool programs like `top' periodically also helps you stay in front of demand. Some people run all these utilities (and some others like iostat and netstat) periodically from a script to maintain hourly statistics like whats kept by the sar/sag utilities in System V (I kinda miss those daily sag graphs.) Regards, -Ade Barkah -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 17:13:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27695 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27686 Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:13:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA01444; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:16:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:16:16 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: BSD networking code guru needed? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm seeing a fairly significant bug in FreeBSD's networking code w/regards to routing and arp, and I'm looking for someone who can help me figure this out. I've asked Garrett to help, but he has been too busy so I'm now looking for someone else who is familiar with the networking code in FreeBSD. I can re-produce the problem at will and can tell whomever helps me how to re-create it. I'm suprised that none of the ISP's have seen this, but I suspect they aren't using proxy-arp, or aren't seeing folks re-connect from broken PPP connections as fast as we do. Basically, I'm using proxy-arp to setup routing from a couple 'portable' computers which can exist on either our local network, or at home. I'm using the same IP address for both locations, and I'm using proxy-arp to allow the machines to sit behind our PPP server (a FreeBSD box). When the line goes down and the remote machines are talking with a machine on our local network, the PPP process (correctly) removes the proxy-arp entry from the PPP server. However, packets are still being sent to that box from other machines on our network, which causes the server box to send out an arp request onto the ethernet and add an incomplete arp entry and route to the ethernet. This is acceptable *except* that the remote box re-connects to the server, which causes PPP to proxy-arp again for the remote box. What *should* happen is the incomplete arp entry and route should be removed from the tables and replaced with the now valid proxy-arp entry. What is happening is the proxy-arp entry is added to the table *after* the incomplete arp entry, so the server machine doesn't know to route traffic to the remote machine via the PPP link. PPP is doing the correct thing, and the remote machine is sending data to the server, but the server doesn't know the correct route to get back to it since it assumes the route is via the ethernet. This problem occurs with normal arp as well as proxy-arp, so you can have up to three arp entries for a single IP address in the arp table. Here's what happens on my server box right now. ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at (incomplete) ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published (proxy only) Fun, huh? I've got kernel dumps where the bogosity is occuring, back-traces, and all sorts of programs to trigger the bug and more information than you'll ever want to describe the problem, but I'm beating my head against the wall trying to figure out the code flow, so I'm appealing the BSD gurus to help. This problem won't occur if the arp entries time-out on both the remote host and the server box. If that happens, then the proxy-arp entry which gets added by PPPD is the first in the arp table, and routing is correct until the line goes down. I've checked and neither SunOS 4.1 nor Solaris 2.4 have this bug, and I don't have root access on any other OS's to test this out. Please help! Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 17:26:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28220 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:26:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28213 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:26:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02208; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:22:48 +0800 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:22:47 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: FreeBSD hackers Subject: BSD/OS 2.1 and BSDI information (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk FYI jbeukema ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:04:51 -0600 From: Mike Karels To: bsdi-users@BSDI.COM Subject: BSD/OS 2.1 and BSDI information This message is being sent to the bsdi-users mailing list to provide information about the upcoming BSD/OS 2.1 release and other BSDI news. A similar message will also be sent to each of our customers (using the most recent email address in our database). The 2.0 release has been out for some time, and the 2.0.1 upgrade came out about August. We have been working on many parts of the system in the meantime, and the 2.1 release is now imminent. It has been in beta test since early November, and the final beta is just going out. We will begin shipping 2.1 in January. Note that it will probably take us several weeks to ship all of the upgrades. I have an outline of changes in 2.1, including new drivers, which I will include here. The information is less detailed than I would like, but should give folks some idea of what we have been working on. The main two areas of concentration: easier installation and upgrades, and additional device drivers. The drivers include support for additional SCSI host adapters (Adaptec and NCR), FDDI, 10 and 100 Mb/s PCI and EISA Ethernet, ATAPI (IDE CD-ROM), additional serial multiport cards, token ring, and improved sound card support. The release also includes many bug fixes, including a fix for the so-called "swap leak" that affected long-running processes that forked periodically. New features include support for additional authentication methods, and a new facility that can be used to set up different account parameters, including resource limits, for different classes of users. BSDI has been growing fairly rapidly in the past year. We now have five full-time support people, in addition to the support work handled by engineers when problems are escalated. BSDI is committed to building the support team to keep ahead of growing sales and increasing load in order to continue our high-quality support. The office staff has also grown to handle the increased telephone, shipping and administrative load. We have added several more world-class engineers too. I don't remember which of these hires have been announced on this list, so I'll mention them now: Eric Varsanyi joined us when Cray Computer shut down (not Cray Research!). Keith Bostic, formerly of the UC Berkeley Computer Systems Research Group, joined us in May. Jeff Honig started working for us this month, after many years working for the Gated Consortium at Cornell. I am pleased that BSDI has been able to build such a fine team, and I'm looking forward to the progress that this team will make in the next year. Mike Karels BSDI System Architect & V.P. Engineering -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= BSD/OS 2.1 Features and Changes This is a partial list of changes in the BSD/OS 2.1 release since the 2.0 and 2.0.1 releases. Easier installation: Only one boot floppy choose Express or Custom install for Express install, installation is much simplified; only 3 questions need be answered to install the software. Custom install allows more flexibility, is also easier than 2.0. Easy upgrade installation from 2.0 and 2.0.1; express upgrade updates all installed packages in place. Installation and configuration scripts look snazzier. Additional driver support: SCSI Drivers: NCR PCI/SCSI driver now supports 53C825 as well as 53C810, 53C815, 53C820; wide drives currently run in narrow mode; improved error recovery Adaptec PCI, EISA SCSI: AHA-2940, 2940W PCI cards AHA-2740, 2740W, 2742, 2742W EISA cards AHA-2740AT, 2742AT twinchannel EISA cards (only one channel supported) AIC-7850, 7870-series chips on motherboard wide drives currently run in narrow mode Adaptec 1542CF, 1542CP (with Plug and Play disabled on CP) removable-media drives now configure as separate device class (/dev/sr* rather than /dev/sd*) targets 8-15 not currently supported with wide SCSI ATAPI (IDE CD-ROM; IDE tape is untested) Improved IDE performance (now supports multiple sectors per interrupt) New network drivers: PCI Ethernet (10 and 100 mb/s) DEC 21040, 21140 based: DEC DE435, DE434, DE450, DE500 SMC EtherPower and EtherPower 10/100 SMC EtherPower2 (dual 10 mb/s) other compatible cards 3COM 3C590, 3C595 EISA Ethernet (10 and 100 mb/s) 3COM 3C592, 3C597 FDDI: DEC DEFPA (PCI) and DEFEA (EISA) (CDDI, single attach fiber, and dual attach fiber) Token ring IBM TRA 16/4 3COM 3C619B TokenLink III 16/4, and other TROPIC based cards SMC 8115T TokenCard Elite SDL RISCom/N2 synchronous interface with integral CSU/DSU Wireless Ethernet (Arlan) DEC ISA/EISA Ethernet (included but not supported): Digital EtherWORKS II, EtherWORKS II Turbo, EtherWORKS III: DEPCA, DE100, DE101, DE200, DE201, DE202 (all ISA), and DE422 (EISA)) New serial board drivers: DigiBoard PC/Xr Cyclades Cyclom-Y Chase IOPRO Specialix Host 2.x (SIPLUS) Comtrol Rocketport VOXWare audio drivers: supports CD quality 16 bit stereo playback and recording (if the hardware is capable), the standard /dev/audio interface, MIDI, FM synth, and audio mixer chips. Drivers for most common sound cards are included: SoundBlaster 1.0 to 2.0, SoundBlaster Pro, SoundBlaster 16 Gravis Ultrasound, Ultrasound+ (16 bit), Ultrasound Max Pro Audio Spectrum 16 MPU401, 6850, and SB midi Yamaha OPL2, OPL3, and OPL4 synthesizers Microsoft Sound System Note: Some of the drivers listed were provided by third parties, and some of them will be supported by third parties. Sound drivers other than SoundBlaster are currently unsupported. Other improvements: Virtual memory improvements "swap leak" fixed (affected daemons that fork periodically) deadlock with heavy use of mapped files fixed Swap devices can be added "on the fly" Shared libraries use less memory (reorganized to save on page tables) support for dynamic linking (System V-compatible dlopen/dlsym functions) User classes Passwd file lists class for each user Per-class limits, priorities, restrictions Separate authentication and authorization Additional authentication schemes: cryptographic tokens: cryptocard, activecard, snk004 one-time passwords PPP improvements tcpdump now works with PPP IP multicast upgraded to version 3.8, supports "pruning" Lots of other improvements and fixes (hundreds of bug reports closed) From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 17:40:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA28743 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA28738 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA02695; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:40:11 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by geli.clusternet (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA02128; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:39:24 -0800 Message-Id: <199512210139.RAA02128@geli.clusternet> X-Authentication-Warning: geli.clusternet: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:16:16 MST." <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:39:23 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk So THAT is what is going on... I've got the (possibly) same problem with 16 dual homed systems on two subnets when running a distributed computation on most to all of the interfaces. Only started when I upgraded these systems to the 2.1-STABLE 3 weeks ago. Just started trying to track this thing this week. Russell From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 17:48:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA29108 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:48:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA29086 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA01526; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:02 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:02 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512210151.SAA01526@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Russell L. Carter" Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: <199512210139.RAA02128@geli.clusternet> References: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199512210139.RAA02128@geli.clusternet> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > So THAT is what is going on... I've got the (possibly) same problem with > 16 dual homed systems on two subnets when running a distributed computation > on most to all of the interfaces. Only started when I upgraded these > systems to the 2.1-STABLE 3 weeks ago. Just started trying to > track this thing this week. The easiest way to check this is to do an 'arp -a' on the machine that is confused. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 17:50:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA29283 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29261 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA16112; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:50:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:50:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Password file manipulation... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi... Just wondering if there is any way of ... easily(?) ... adding and deleting entries from the master password file? Essentially, what I'm looking for C functions that I can use too addpwent, delpwent or chgpwent (and ya, I know, I should learn Perl, cause it would be easier that way...*sigh*)? Basically, I just want to make sure I'm not missing something *before* I start building inhouse utilities.. Thanks Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting scrappy@hub.org | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, soon to be: | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://hub.org | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 18:29:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA03083 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA03078 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:29:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA01592; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:31:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:31:59 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512210231.TAA01592@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Password file manipulation... In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Just wondering if there is any way of ... easily(?) ... adding > and deleting entries from the master password file? Essentially, what > I'm looking for C functions that I can use too addpwent, delpwent > or chgpwent (and ya, I know, I should learn Perl, cause it would be > easier that way...*sigh*)? Look at the perl Adduser script. It does all of that for you already, and if you want to you can steal from it to build your own if it doesn't do the trick. (Really, Perl is much better suited for the job than C is) Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 18:47:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA04043 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:47:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA04038 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05794; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:47:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA00152; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:47:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199512210247.SAA00152@corbin.Root.COM> To: patricio@pandora.uc.pt ( Patricio Domingues) cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multi-processors... In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 95 19:28:42 +0100." <9512201828.AA07217@pandora.uc.pt.uc.pt> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:47:34 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >A "bug" ocurred in my previous mail... >where it is written: > >...and support for multi-processing > >it should be > >... and support for multi-processors. You were right the first time. "Multi-Processing" aka MP and more specifically, SMP (Symetric Multi-Processing) is definately planned for FreeBSD's future and your help in this area would be most welcome. What Ugen confused was "Multi-Tasking", which of course we do indeed already have. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 19:06:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA04525 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (joe@smartlink.net [204.118.4.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04514 Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by warp10.smartlink.net(8.6.12/SMARTLINK-1.0) with id TAA06136 for on Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:08:07 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph McDonald To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm seeing the exact same problem. PPP user drops and then reconnects quickly, then the route for him is via ethernet instead of through the termserver. regards, -joe From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 19:18:25 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA05065 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from syzygy.zytek.com (syzygy.zytek.com [140.174.241.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA05058 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melvin@localhost) by syzygy.zytek.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA14161; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:18:19 -0800 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 19:18:19 -0800 From: Stephen Melvin Message-Id: <199512210318.TAA14161@syzygy.zytek.com> To: imb@scgt.oz.au, mnewell@lupine.nsi.nasa.gov Subject: Re: User space PPP & leased line Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We tried using the user mode PPP on our systems for a while, but under >> very heavy load after 2-3 minutes the line ALWAYS dropped. No indication >> of what caused it. We use the identical setup with the kernel PPP (pppd) >> and run for days with no line drops. > >This is most likely the result of dropping LCP echo packets on a busy line. >Try adding .. > > disable lqr > deny lqr > Actually, it may be due to *delayed* rather than *dropped* LCP echo packets and in that case, it would be nice to keep lqr enabled since it will cause the line to be dropped when there really is nobody on the other end. I reported on this problem a few months back. The code in lqr.c looks for a separation between sent and received packets of 5. I find that under heavy load, I am experiencing a separation of 6 (*but all packets are eventually echoed*). I applied the patch shown below to /usr/src/usr.sbin/ppp/lqr.c and everything works fine. I don't know if this violates some PPP protocol specification though. Regards, Stephen Melvin melvin@zytek.com -------- *** lqr.c Thu Sep 7 21:49:54 1995 --- lqr.c.orig Thu Sep 7 21:48:49 1995 *************** *** 116,122 **** lqrsendcnt++; } } else if (lqmmethod & LQM_ECHO) { ! if (echoseq - gotseq > 10) { LogPrintf(LOG_PHASE, "** Too many ECHO packets are lost. **\n"); LcpClose(); Cleanup(EX_ERRDEAD); --- 116,122 ---- lqrsendcnt++; } } else if (lqmmethod & LQM_ECHO) { ! if (echoseq - gotseq > 5) { LogPrintf(LOG_PHASE, "** Too many ECHO packets are lost. **\n"); LcpClose(); Cleanup(EX_ERRDEAD); From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 21:08:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA11752 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from blob.best.net (blob.best.net [204.156.128.88]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA11743 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from geli.clusternet (rcarter.vip.best.com [204.156.137.2]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26278; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:08:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by geli.clusternet (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA02938; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:07:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199512210507.VAA02938@geli.clusternet> X-Authentication-Warning: geli.clusternet: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.4 10/10/95 To: Nate Williams cc: "Russell L. Carter" , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:51:02 MST." <199512210151.SAA01526@rocky.sri.MT.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:07:27 -0800 From: "Russell L. Carter" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk } > So THAT is what is going on... I've got the (possibly) same problem with } > 16 dual homed systems on two subnets when running a distributed computation } > on most to all of the interfaces. Only started when I upgraded these } > systems to the 2.1-STABLE 3 weeks ago. Just started trying to } > track this thing this week. } } The easiest way to check this is to do an 'arp -a' on the machine that } is confused. } } } Nate } Here's a cc to hackers of what I previously sent to Nate, I'm not currently subscribed, guess I have to, but it may be of interest... rcarter@daisy-1601:~ [42] arp -a dancer.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.1) at 8:0:69:4:a:10 alfalfa.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.10) at 8:0:69:7:5d:fc daisy-1600.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.32) at 0:20:af:38:53:2e fdaisy-1600.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.105) at 0:0:c0:ca:d9:c5 ? (146.246.246.127) at (incomplete) con246.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.254) at 0:0:c:4:38:55 ? (146.246.246.255) at (incomplete) rcarter@daisy-1601:~ [43] The fdaisy-1600 entry is causing a lot of problems. Russell From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 21:11:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA12203 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA12190 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA01905; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:14:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:14:19 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512210514.WAA01905@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: "Russell L. Carter" Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: <199512210507.VAA02938@geli.clusternet> References: <199512210151.SAA01526@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199512210507.VAA02938@geli.clusternet> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ ARP problems ] > fdaisy-1600.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.105) at 0:0:c0:ca:d9:c5 > ? (146.246.246.127) at (incomplete) > con246.ca.sandia.gov (146.246.246.254) at 0:0:c:4:38:55 > ? (146.246.246.255) at (incomplete) > rcarter@daisy-1601:~ [43] > > The fdaisy-1600 entry is causing a lot of problems. Hmm, as I pointed out in my article, the routing problems only occur if you use proxy-arp or hard-coded arp entries. In the above example, fdaisy has only one arp entry and it's being resolved correctly by the underlying code. Based on the above, I don't suspect it's an arp problem, but I'm willing to be proven otherwise. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 22:52:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA17300 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (staff.cs.su.OZ.AU [129.78.8.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA17276 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from un.seqeb.gov.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from daemon for hackers@freebsd.org) with MHSnet; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:51:31 +1100 Received: from svcc.seqeb.gov.au by un.seqeb.gov.au; (5.65/GJW251095a) id AA02180; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:50:18 +1000 Received: by svcc.seqeb.gov.au (5.57/Ultrix/4.2A and a bit) id AA17695; Thu, 21 Dec 95 16:50:18 +1000 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:50:16 +1000 (EST) From: pat collins Subject: Source for crunchgen To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk crunchgen is in /usr/bin but the source for crunchgen is not in /usr/src/usr.bin or /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin. Does anyone know where it is. Thanks ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Collins - Communications Design Officer email : pc012@seqeb.gov.au South East Queensland Electricity Corporation phone : +61 7 3407 5237 2 Bowen Bridge Rd, Fortitude Valley, 4006 fax : +61 7 3407 5059 Queensland, AUSTRALIA (Best State, Best Country) Viva el Cristo Rey ! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 23:41:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA18806 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18798 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id IAA15078 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:41:10 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id IAA25840 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:41:10 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id IAA14478; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:32:36 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512210732.IAA14478@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: Password file manipulation... To: scrappy@hub.org (Marc G. Fournier) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:32:35 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Marc G. Fournier" at Dec 20, 95 08:50:30 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Marc G. Fournier said: > Just wondering if there is any way of ... easily(?) ... adding > and deleting entries from the master password file? Essentially, what > I'm looking for C functions that I can use too addpwent, delpwent > or chgpwent (and ya, I know, I should learn Perl, cause it would be > easier that way...*sigh*)? I have a Perl script (800+ lines) to add users on a FreeBSD system. If you want it, just ask. I haven't found th etime to add real documentation but it should be easy to read (if you know Perl :-)). 257 [23:51] root@keltia:doc/FAQ# new-account new-account : Account Creation Program. Copyright (c) 1993, 94 by Ollivier Robert (roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net) Version 1.06.3 on 18/04/95. Usage: new-account [options] login fullname group [group...] Options: -N doesn't execute anything, just show commands, -m send greeting message to new user, -s shell specifies the shell to use instead of /sbin/tcsh, -u uid specifies une user-id to use (default is next free in class), -a alias specifies the alias to put in /etc/mail/aliases, -p pwd use that encrypted password, -q be quiet and do not display messages. Configuration file is /usr/local/etc/accountrc. Group definition file is /usr/local/etc/groupdefs. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Dec 20 23:46:54 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA19097 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19092 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02228; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 02:46:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 02:46:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.1-STABLE rebooting... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi... Well, now I have two machines up and running, one with 2.1-STABLE, one with 2.2-CURRENT...and for some reason, my 2.1-STABLE machine is rebooting itself for no apparent reason. I have DDB *and* DEBUG enabled in the kernel, but I get neither a dump to DDB, or a savecore core file (both dumpdev and savecore are enabled in /etc/sysconfig) At first, I thought it was something to do with X, so have been avoiding running it, but it did it to me just before midnight tonight, and I was just in character mode. And, well, that's it... the question...has anyone else experienced this? does anyone have any idea on how I can debug this, with all the debug stuff turned on doing nothing? Thanks... Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting scrappy@hub.org | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, soon to be: | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://hub.org | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 00:23:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA20942 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:23:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20937 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:23:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02678; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:21:19 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08978; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:21:17 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14210; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:07:43 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512210807.JAA14210@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Need more memory? To: joe@ns.via.net (Joe McGuckin) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:07:43 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512202125.NAA07272@ns.via.net> from "Joe McGuckin" at Dec 20, 95 01:25:31 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Joe McGuckin wrote: > > > I have a FreeBSD system used as a web server. Response has slowed down > considerable in recent weeks. It is a 100Mhz Pentium, 32M ram, 1G of disk. > > What is a good indication of when you need to add ram. If your machine has heavy paging activity. Tools like pstat, vmstat and top might be useful. (Btw.: VMSTAT(8) VMSTAT(8) NAME vmstat - report virtual memory statistics ... page Information about page faults and paging activity. These are averaged each five seconds, and given in units per second. re page reclaims (simulating reference bits) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Shouldn't this be ".if VAX", i thought we do have a reference bit?) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 00:27:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA21067 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:27:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA21062 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id JAA02719; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:21:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id JAA08987; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:21:28 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA14345; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:20:30 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512210820.JAA14345@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:20:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 20, 95 06:16:16 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Nate Williams wrote: > > What *should* happen is the incomplete arp entry and route should be > removed from the tables and replaced with the now valid proxy-arp entry. I've been noticing this yesterday, too. Garrett solved the problem for the non proxy-arp case right before 2.1 (where a clone route has been allocated through the default route, pointing to the ethernet interface), but this one here is still broken. Anyway, the location where the clone routes are being killed might be a good spot to check for the ARP stuff. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 01:00:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA22673 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:00:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22640 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04820; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:58:36 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:20:29 +0100." <199512210820.JAA14345@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:58:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4818.819536316@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > As Nate Williams wrote: > > > > What *should* happen is the incomplete arp entry and route should be > > removed from the tables and replaced with the now valid proxy-arp entry. > > I've been noticing this yesterday, too. Garrett solved the problem > for the non proxy-arp case right before 2.1 (where a clone route has > been allocated through the default route, pointing to the ethernet > interface), but this one here is still broken. Anyway, the location > where the clone routes are being killed might be a good spot to check > for the ARP stuff. I have seen the same kind of trouble with arp, ipfw and routed. Basically packets would go another way that what "netstat -rna" would make you think. Sometimes I could clear the trouble by zapping all arp-entries. I stopped using routed and made static routes, and have had no problems since. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 01:02:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA22789 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22759 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA24403 (5.65.kiae-2 for hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:59:08 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Thu, 21 Dec 95 11:59:08 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA02218 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:58:25 +0300 (MSK) To: hackers@freebsd.org Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:58:25 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.41 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) Lines: 27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Current logs rotating code ... if [ -f $i.1 ]; then mv -f $i.1 $i.2; fi if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi if [ -f $i ]; then mv -f $i $i.0; fi >$i isn't good for daemons, because thet keep log descriptor open. It means that daemon_log moved to daemon_log.0 and diagnostics still writted to daemon_log.0! New daemon_log leaves zero-sized until reboot. What I suggest: if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi if [ -f $i ]; then cp -fp $i $i.0; fi >$i It means that you copy log preserving file times and then zero the same descriptor. If I not see objections with explanations, I plan to commit it. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 01:04:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA22903 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22897 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:04:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA00399 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:04:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199512210904.BAA00399@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: pnp isolation program? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:04:16 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Say can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong with this program? I can't get the serial ID of my PnP card. This is code is also part of a device driver.... Tnks, Amancio ----------- #include #include #include /* pnp isolation program */ /* send ID sequence */ static int send_ID_sequence(port) int port; { int cx; unsigned char al; for (al = 0x6a, cx = 0; cx < 32; cx++) { usleep(20); outb(port, al); al = (al >> 1 | ((al >> 1 ) ^ al & 1) << 7); } return (1); } static int get_ID_sequence(port) unsigned int port; { int cx; unsigned char al,al1; for (cx=0; cx < 72; cx++) { usleep(25000); al = inb(port); al1 = inb(port); printf("%x \n", al); } } main() { unsigned int id_port = 0x279; unsigned int id_write_port = 0xa79; open("/dev/io", O_RDWR, 0); usleep(20); send_ID_sequence(id_port); usleep(200); outb(id_port, 0x0); /* set pnp's read_port to 0x203 */ outb(id_port, 0x80); outb(id_port, 0x1); /* go get ID */ get_ID_sequence(0x203); } From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 02:44:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA29858 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 02:44:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from DATAPLEX.NET (SHARK.DATAPLEX.NET [199.183.109.241]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA29837 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 02:44:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [199.183.109.242] by DATAPLEX.NET with SMTP (MailShare 1.0fc5); Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:44:20 -0600 X-Sender: rkw@shark.dataplex.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:44:24 -0600 To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=(aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) From: rkw@dataplex.net (Richard Wackerbarth) Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk OBJECTION!!!!!!!! We do not have locking on the logs. As a result, there is a race condition in your code. The daemon wants to write a multi-write message to the log. An incomplete message ends up in the log. Or worse yet, a message gets lost entirely between the copy and the truncate. The present code is correct with the addition of the "restart" event (SIG-HUP?) to tell the daemon to reopen its log file. >Current logs rotating code > ... > if [ -f $i.1 ]; then mv -f $i.1 $i.2; fi > if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi > if [ -f $i ]; then mv -f $i $i.0; fi > >$i >isn't good for daemons, because thet keep log descriptor open. >It means that daemon_log moved to daemon_log.0 and diagnostics >still writted to daemon_log.0! New daemon_log leaves zero-sized >until reboot. > >What I suggest: > > if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi > if [ -f $i ]; then cp -fp $i $i.0; fi > >$i > >It means that you copy log preserving file times and then >zero the same descriptor. > >If I not see objections with explanations, I plan to commit it. ---- Richard Wackerbarth rkw@dataplex.net From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 04:29:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA05796 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.alcatel.no (ns0.alcatel.no [155.4.1.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA05789 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 04:29:09 -0800 (PST) From: Jan.Presterud@alcatel.no Received: from atno60.alcatel.no by gatekeeper.alcatel.no (8.7.1/ANSN-HUB) id NAA17565; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:28:32 +0100 Received: from localhost by atno60.alcatel.no; (5.65/1.1.8.2/21Dec94-0306PM) id AA27952; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:28:30 +0100 Message-Id: <9512211228.AA27952@atno60.alcatel.no> To: hackers@freebsd.org Cc: presterud@atno60.alcatel.no Subject: subscribe hackers Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 13:28:30 +0100 X-Mts: smtp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 05:47:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA08646 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.telstra.com.au (mail.telstra.com.au [192.148.160.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA08638 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 05:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail_gw.fwall.telecom.com.au(192.148.147.10) by mail via smap (V1.3) id sma008141; Thu Dec 21 18:45:02 1995 Received: from cdn_mail.dn.itg.telecom.com.au(144.135.109.134) by mail_gw.telecom.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma013321; Fri Dec 22 00:45:22 1995 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (amalfi.trl.telstra.com.au [137.147.99.99]) by cdn_mail.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA15784; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:45:21 +1100 Received: from orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au ([145.136.55.131]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.10/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA16890; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:45:16 +1100 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au by orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00622; Fri, 22 Dec 95 00:44:45 +1100 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au [144.139.63.32]) by netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA13918; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:47:45 +0759 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:47:45 +0800 (WST) From: Terry Dwyer To: Greg Ungerer Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, Greg Ungerer Subject: Re: major number for new multiport serial driver In-Reply-To: <9512202022.aa07611@cluster.stallion.oz.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Greg Ungerer wrote: > > Hiya FreeBSD hackers, > > I have coded a FreeBSD driver to support some of the Stallion Technologies > multiport serial boards (in particular the EasyIO and EasyConnection 8/32 > families of boards). I am just about ready to unleash it onto the world > (for some alpha testing off-course!) and would like to get a character > major number assigned for it. So far I just used the next spare one (67) in > the 2.0.5 kernel. (Sorry haven't tryed it on 2.1 yet... :-( Hello Greg. I was wondering when someone would get around to writing a driver for a Stallion card. I have an 8 port card floating around, model no stencilled on the top component side is V3.2 I Will your driver support this card? If so: 1) Does it use the card in dumb mode ( I hope not, you _do_ work for Anvil I presume!) 2) Can the card support 16550 uarts at 115200 in dumb ot intelligent modes 3) Does it have any of those nice monitoring tools 8-) (siomon?) 4) Do you have a set of patches I can grab, I'm running 2.0.5 until my 2.1 CD arrives _and_ I'm on holidays till Jan 15 > > So how do I do that? > > Seeya > Gerg > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Greg Ungerer EMAIL: gerg@stallion.com > Stallion Technologies Pty Ltd PHONE: +61 7 3270 4271 > 33 Woodstock Rd, Toowong, QLD 4066, Australia FAX: +61 7 3270 4245 > _-_|\ Terry Dwyer E-Mail: tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au / \ System Administrator Phone: +61 9 491 5161 Fax: +61 9 221 2631 *_.^\_/ Telecom Australia Telstra Corporation MIME capable mailer v Perth WA ( I do not speak for Telstra or Telecom ) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 07:52:40 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA14009 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from anacreon.sol.net (anacreon.sol.net [206.55.64.116]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14002 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from solaria.sol.net (solaria.sol.net [206.55.65.75]) by anacreon.sol.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA04739 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:51:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by solaria.sol.net (8.5/8.5) id JAA05169; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:53:06 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199512211553.JAA05169@solaria.sol.net> Subject: Problems with crash dumps not dumping To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 9:53:04 CST Reply-To: jgreco@mei.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL65] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've been trying to catch a useful crash dump under 2.1.0R on my news server. John Dyson had suggested that it would be helpful to see a crash dump in order to debug some VM/mmap issues (? etc) or something or other, I don't quite remember exactly what since it's been a few weeks. Anyways. I enabled the crash dump stuff, and when the machine panics with a "panic: free vnode isn't" error, it appears to start the dump but then locks with "dumping... XXXX" where XXXX is some fairly large number. The root drive light and controller activity light are both on (NCR-810). I've seen this happen several times now. I believe it worked correctly before the dumps were enabled. Also, again, I am noticing a direct correlation to running out of inodes and this particular panic. When my alt.* drive (4096/512) died, I moved the alt.* hierarchy onto my alt.binaries.* drive (8192/1024, less inodes) and I've been hitting 100% inodes every once in a while. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 07:55:19 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA14097 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:55:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA14092 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 07:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA02718; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:56:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:56:57 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) In-Reply-To: References: Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk KOI8-R writes: > Current logs rotating code.. Is going to change soon. The syslog code from NetBSD is supposed to be integrated over the break, so all of this is a moot point anyway. Don't bother for now. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:08:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA14873 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA14862 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:08:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA02765; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:10:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:10:36 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512211610.JAA02765@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams), hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: <4818.819536316@critter.tfs.com> References: <199512210820.JAA14345@uriah.heep.sax.de> <4818.819536316@critter.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Poul-Henning Kamp writes: > > > What *should* happen is the incomplete arp entry and route should be > > > removed from the tables and replaced with the now valid proxy-arp entry. > > > > I've been noticing this yesterday, too. Garrett solved the problem > > for the non proxy-arp case right before 2.1 (where a clone route has > > been allocated through the default route, pointing to the ethernet > > interface), but this one here is still broken. Umm, I'm not seeing that fix on my 2.1 box (which is running post 2.1 stuff including fixes that came in after the fact), and I don't remember the fix going in. I just perused the commitlog file and I'm not seeing any 'arp' fix, although I'm looking at the clone route stuff. > > Anyway, the location > > where the clone routes are being killed might be a good spot to check > > for the ARP stuff. I'll look, but as you could see from my original message, I'm seeing the same problem with the regular arp as well as proxy-arp, so it's not fixed for the non proxy-arp case. > I have seen the same kind of trouble with arp, ipfw and routed. > > Basically packets would go another way that what "netstat -rna" would > make you think. > > Sometimes I could clear the trouble by zapping all arp-entries. That's what I've done, and it seems to work. > I stopped using routed and made static routes, and have had no > problems since. Unfortunately, that's not a solution given that the boxes can exist on the local ethernet and come in via PPP (portables are great fun). Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:16:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA15535 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:16:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.tfs.com ([140.145.230.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA15501 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.tfs.com (localhost.tfs.com [127.0.0.1]) by critter.tfs.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA05394; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:14:51 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: critter.tfs.com: Host localhost.tfs.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Nate Williams cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:10:36 MST." <199512211610.JAA02765@rocky.sri.MT.net> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:14:50 +0100 Message-ID: <5392.819562490@critter.tfs.com> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I have seen the same kind of trouble with arp, ipfw and routed. > > > > Basically packets would go another way that what "netstat -rna" would > > make you think. > > > > Sometimes I could clear the trouble by zapping all arp-entries. > > That's what I've done, and it seems to work. > > > I stopped using routed and made static routes, and have had no > > problems since. > > Unfortunately, that's not a solution given that the boxes can exist on > the local ethernet and come in via PPP (portables are great fun). No, but it's probably something we can use as a data-point to find out what's going on. The thing I don't like is that packets get routed counter to what "netstat -rna" & "arp -a" reports. In my case packets were sent out a wrong interface even. So we are talking about some pointer which ends up pointing to the wrong arp-entry I think. Maybe that could be a/the hint. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | phk@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD Core-team. http://www.freebsd.org/~phk | phk@login.dknet.dk Private mailbox. whois: [PHK] | phk@ref.tfs.com TRW Financial Systems, Inc. Future will arrive by its own means, progress not so. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:31:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16528 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:31:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16518 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:31:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id KAA29414; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:30:46 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199512211630.KAA29414@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: Need more memory? To: mbarkah@hemi.com (Ade Barkah) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:30:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512210108.SAA10030@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Dec 20, 95 06:08:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > What is a good indication of when you need to add ram. > > The best indicator might be to monitor the `vmstat' utility. > The two parameters to glance at are "avm" (active virtual pages) > and "fre" (the size of the free list.) Hey, now, that's a well thought out description, well written.... Can we get this added to the FreeBSD handbook/whatever? ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:35:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA16904 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from alpha.dsu.edu (ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu [138.247.32.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA16894 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:35:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from ghelmer@localhost) by alpha.dsu.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA28610; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:34:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:34:55 -0600 (CST) From: Guy Helmer To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.1 news server crashes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Since upgrading our campus news server to FreeBSD 2.1, it has been crashing every few days, and the system hasn't been able to come back up by itself because of problems encountered by fsck. After the last crash, I enabled savecore and set the dumpdev and this morning I have captured a crash dump (the panic was "bad dir"). When I ran fsck by hand on the problem filesystem (wd0s1e, my news-overview database parition), I encountered these problems: DIRECTORY CORRUPTED I=7811 OWNER=news MODE=40775 SIZE=512 MTIME=Dec 20 00:31 1995 DIR=? SALVAGE? Y MISSING '.' I=7811 OWNER=news [...] FIX? Y ZERO LENGTH DIRECTORY I=7811 REMOVE? Y DUP/BAD I=86811 OWNER=news MODE=100664 SIZE=221951 MTIME=Dec 20 19:42 1995 FILE=/news.overview/alt/test/.overview REMOVE? Y BAD/DUP DIR I=7811 CLEAR? Y The system crashed around 19:42 on Dec 20, so the first "DIRETORY CORRUPTED" message seems odd... Anyway, has anyone seen any problems like this? I'm preparing a debugging kernel with the same config file so I can get a crash dump that I can use. Thanks for any help, Guy Helmer Guy Helmer, Dakota State University Computing Services - ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:36:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17102 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from fw1.cummins.com (firewall-user@fw1.cummins.com [205.230.25.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17091 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id LAA25055; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:28:25 -0500 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma025053; Thu, 21 Dec 95 11:28:20 -0500 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03690; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:36:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9512211636.AA03690@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from zeus.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA10014; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:07:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:07:39 -0500 From: "William A. Gatliff" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD interrupt management Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Couple'o questions from a FreeBSD newbie: First, I'd like to study how FreeBSD handles device interrupts for some embedded (68K-based) work I'm doing. In particular, I'm interested in how interrupt processing gets scheduled for both basic, sio-type interrupts, as well as the more time-critical DMA, disk i/o, and ethernet-type ones. I've waded around in some 2.0.5 driver code (the 8250, I think), and I'm stumped. I can't make the connection between when the uart generates the interrupt and the calling sequence to invoke the driver. I checked the handbook, and couldn't find any clues on how device drivers interact with the kernel, and apparently the 8250 driver isn't basic enough for a lower life form such as myself. :^) Can someone point me in a different direction? I feel compelled to mention that the driver seemed EXTREMELY well-written, what with all the probing and testing that goes on... I've seen commercial products that didn't do NEARLY as good a job!! And you guys do it for free! Second: I've FTP'd 2.1, but I can't get the files back into human-readable form... At present I've no PC to install it on, so how can I unpack the files? I've tried to emulate what install.sh does, but my tar complains of directory checksum failures, even if I tell it to ignore them. What's worse, I can't get GNU's tar to build on my Sun workstation (Sun-OS 4.1.3_U1). Seems like the 2.0.5 distributables worked fine with standard Unix tar, but I've had them so long I can't remember exactly how I broke them... Thanks from a new (but permanent) FreeBSD fan! b.g. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:39:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17310 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17300 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA02865; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:42:09 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:42:09 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512211642.JAA02865@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Nate Williams , joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch), hackers@freebsd.org, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: <5392.819562490@critter.tfs.com> References: <199512211610.JAA02765@rocky.sri.MT.net> <5392.819562490@critter.tfs.com> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I stopped using routed and made static routes, and have had no > > > problems since. > > > > Unfortunately, that's not a solution given that the boxes can exist on > > the local ethernet and come in via PPP (portables are great fun). > > No, but it's probably something we can use as a data-point to find out > what's going on. > > The thing I don't like is that packets get routed counter to what > "netstat -rna" & "arp -a" reports. In my case packets were sent > out a wrong interface even. So we are talking about some pointer > which ends up pointing to the wrong arp-entry I think. Hmm, I'm not seeing that problem here. What I'm seeing is it's not recognizing the the arp entries are for the same host. Here's the output of netstat -ra: Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default gateway UGSc 0 0 de0 localhost localhost UH 1 2 lo0 204.182.243 link#2 UC 1 0 gateway 0:0:c0:50:b9:a UHLW 2 142 de0 1150 rocky 8:0:20:12:55:3e UHLW 4 6066 de0 1149 fly 8:0:20:23:73:e3 UHLW 1 67 de0 408 trout gateway UGH 1 2335 de0 moth localhost UGHS 0 0 lo0 ws1 link#2 UHLW 0 1 ws1.sri.MT.net 0:80:48:e8:27:63 ULS2c 0 0 de0 ws1 0:80:48:e8:27:63 UHLS2 0 0 de0 BASE-ADDRESS.MCA link#2 UCS 0 0 Note the three entries for ws1. And now, arp -a. moth:/usr/src/usr.sbin/pppd % arp -a gateway.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.1) at 0:0:c0:50:b9:a rocky.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.10) at 8:0:20:12:55:3e fly.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.11) at 8:0:20:23:73:e3 ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at (incomplete) ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published (proxy only) I'm not sure about the flags in the routing protocol, but doesn't the routing protocol sort via the destination address? Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:44:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17652 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17645 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:44:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-040.etinc.com (ppp-040.etinc.com [204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01746 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:05:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:05:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199512211705.MAA01746@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: hackers@freebsd.org From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >SUBSCRIBE SEX PICS PLEASE Is this a little side project you guys are working on? db ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:49:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17950 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:49:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17945 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA12735 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:48:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199512211648.AA12735@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:48:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: Joe Greco "Problems with crash dumps not dumping" (Dec 21, 9:53) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: jgreco@mei.com Subject: Re: Problems with crash dumps not dumping Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Dec 21, 9:53, Joe Greco wrote: } Subject: Problems with crash dumps not dumping } I've been trying to catch a useful crash dump under 2.1.0R on my news } server. John Dyson had suggested that it would be helpful to see a crash } dump in order to debug some VM/mmap issues (? etc) or something or other, I } don't quite remember exactly what since it's been a few weeks. } } Anyways. I enabled the crash dump stuff, and when the machine panics with a } "panic: free vnode isn't" error, it appears to start the dump but then locks } with "dumping... XXXX" where XXXX is some fairly large number. The root } drive light and controller activity light are both on (NCR-810). I've seen } this happen several times now. I believe it worked correctly before the } dumps were enabled. I never tested, whether writing kernel cores works with the NCR driver. This is a special situation, since the driver is called with interrupts disabled, and I just never tested, whether this is supported by the driver. (It IS supported at SCSI bus probe time, since the kernel probes with interrupts disabled. But I'm not sure, whether the driver will work in this mode again, later, wenn it once had been running on interrupts). This could also be a bug outside the driver, since the driver needs the SCSI_NOSLEEP flag set, if interrupts are disabled, and I did not yet check, whether this is actually the case in the dump code. } Also, again, I am noticing a direct correlation to running out of inodes and } this particular panic. When my alt.* drive (4096/512) died, I moved the } alt.* hierarchy onto my alt.binaries.* drive (8192/1024, less inodes) and } I've been hitting 100% inodes every once in a while. If an "out of inodes" situation crashes the system, then any user could bring it down easily. This looks like a bad thing. Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:49:16 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA17962 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:49:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA17922 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:48:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA16506 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:41:54 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Thu, 21 Dec 95 19:41:53 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA02219; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:31:16 +0300 (MSK) To: Nate Williams Cc: hackers@freebsd.org References: <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net>; from Nate Williams at Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:56:57 -0700 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:31:16 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.41 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) Lines: 19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net> Nate Williams writes: >KOI8-R writes: >> Current logs rotating code.. >Is going to change soon. The syslog code from NetBSD is supposed to be >integrated over the break, so all of this is a moot point anyway. >Don't bother for now. It reach me via Apache HTTPD, it makes access_log.0 over 7Mb :-( Apache not use syslog :-( -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 08:53:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18125 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:53:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18120 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 08:53:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA02929; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:54:29 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:54:29 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512211654.JAA02929@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) In-Reply-To: References: <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> Current logs rotating code.. > > >Is going to change soon. The syslog code from NetBSD is supposed to be > >integrated over the break, so all of this is a moot point anyway. > > >Don't bother for now. > > It reach me via Apache HTTPD, it makes access_log.0 over 7Mb :-( > Apache not use syslog :-( Walk you were talking about is the stuff in daily/weekly, so for now hold off on changing those. What you do with your local logfiles is your business. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:02:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA18473 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:02:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [165.254.13.209]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA18464 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp-040.etinc.com (ppp-040.etinc.com [204.141.95.140]) by etinc.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA01808; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:24:33 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:24:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199512211724.MAA01808@etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@etinc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Stephen Melvin From: dennis@etinc.com (dennis) Subject: Re: User space PPP & leased line Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>> We tried using the user mode PPP on our systems for a while, but under >>> very heavy load after 2-3 minutes the line ALWAYS dropped. No indication >>> of what caused it. We use the identical setup with the kernel PPP (pppd) >>> and run for days with no line drops. >> >>This is most likely the result of dropping LCP echo packets on a busy line. >>Try adding .. >> >> disable lqr >> deny lqr >> > >Actually, it may be due to *delayed* rather than *dropped* LCP echo >packets and in that case, it would be nice to keep lqr enabled since it >will cause the line to be dropped when there really is nobody on the >other end There is no (good) reason to enable echos on a PPP line, particularly when it is clear that the implementation here is quite intrusive. You certainly don't want them on a leased line (only a knucklehead would enable them on a high speed line as they use bandwidth and intrude on the queuing mechanism for no reasonable purpose), and on dial-up physical signals are adaquate indicators. If the remote system crashes (ie does not bring PPP down gracefully), you're not going anywhere anyway..echos or not. I'm sure some mathamatition will argue that the bandwidth used in insignificant..... but from the sound of this tread I'd say that bandwidth is only 1 issue. turn them off. Dennis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Emerging Technologies, Inc. http://www.etinc.com Synchronous Communications Cards and Routers For Discriminating Tastes. 56k to T1 and beyond. Frame Relay, PPP, HDLC, and X.25 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:15:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19129 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:15:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19123 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA06814; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:15:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:15:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199512211715.MAA06814@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: questions@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: December issue of SunExpert Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was thumbing through my latest issue of SunExpert and noticed in the "New Products" section a little blurb on FreeBSD. "Freeware and shareware vendor Walnut Creek CDROM has added FreeBSD 2.0.5 to its offerings. FreeBSD is a UNIX-like OS for Intel Corp. microprocessor-based PCs. The product is not unlike Linux, the well-known UNIX-like OS for PCs that is freely available from a number of sources; however, FreeBSD is derived from the Berkeley Standard Distribution of UNIX from the University of California at Berkeley. FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of sources, but Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set with technical support. Pricing at $3995." Either they were a *tad* bit behind on there announcement or they screwed up the release number. Either way, good publicity! -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:18:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19490 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from sequent.kiae.su (sequent.kiae.su [144.206.136.6]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19474 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by sequent.kiae.su id AA24295 (5.65.kiae-2 ); Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:06:11 +0300 Received: by sequent.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Thu, 21 Dec 95 20:06:06 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA02317; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:04:46 +0300 (MSK) To: Nate Williams Cc: hackers@freebsd.org References: <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199512211654.JAA02929@rocky.sri.MT.net> In-Reply-To: <199512211654.JAA02929@rocky.sri.MT.net>; from Nate Williams at Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:54:29 -0700 Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:04:45 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.41 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) Lines: 26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <199512211654.JAA02929@rocky.sri.MT.net> Nate Williams writes: >> >> Current logs rotating code.. >> >> >Is going to change soon. The syslog code from NetBSD is supposed to be >> >integrated over the break, so all of this is a moot point anyway. >> >> >Don't bother for now. >> >> It reach me via Apache HTTPD, it makes access_log.0 over 7Mb :-( >> Apache not use syslog :-( >Walk you were talking about is the stuff in daily/weekly, so for now >hold off on changing those. What you do with your local logfiles is >your business. What do you think about? I talk about Apache as example only. F.e. we have standard kerberos.log for it. Kerberos acts like Apache, it not use syslog. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:19:49 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19549 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:19:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from fang.cs.sunyit.edu (fang.cs.sunyit.edu [192.52.220.66]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19544 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from chuck@localhost) by fang.cs.sunyit.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA06824; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:19:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 12:19:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199512211719.MAA06824@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: questions@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE:SunExpert Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > FreeBSD 2.0.5 is freely available from a variety of sources, but > Walnut Creek offers it in a two-CD-ROM set with technical support. Pricing > at $3995." ^^^^^ Sorry, $39.95 -- Charles Green, PRC Inc. UN*X System Administration 22 Powell Ave. Apt. B UN*X Security & Whitesboro, NY 13492 Programming From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:23:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA19870 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19860 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:23:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA03089; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:24:54 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:24:54 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512211724.KAA03089@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) In-Reply-To: References: <199512211556.IAA02718@rocky.sri.MT.net> <199512211654.JAA02929@rocky.sri.MT.net> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ log rotation changes ] > What do you think about? Christmas, snow, fishing, my family, ... *grin* > I talk about Apache as example only. > F.e. we have standard kerberos.log for it. Kerberos acts like Apache, > it not use syslog. Fine, but let's wait until the syslog changes go in. Since I don't have any experience with them, it may be something that can be used generically in the system. And, there's still the race condition that was already brought up. Hold on just a little while longer.... Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:33:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20604 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:33:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20595 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id JAA02345 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:33:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA22717; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:22:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA12246; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:22:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA15299; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:50:56 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512211650.RAA15299@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Source for crunchgen To: pc012@svcc.seqeb.gov.au (pat collins) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:50:55 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "pat collins" at Dec 21, 95 04:50:16 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As pat collins wrote: > > crunchgen is in /usr/bin but the source for crunchgen is not in > /usr/src/usr.bin or /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin. Does anyone know where it is. j@uriah 56% locate '*crunch' | fgrep src /usr/src/usr.sbin/crunch -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 09:39:50 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21090 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA21084 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:39:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:39:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199512211739.JAA21084@freefall.freebsd.org> To: scrappy@hub.org Subject: Re: 2.1-STABLE rebooting... Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk For what it's worth, I've also been getting spontaneous reboots with a -current kernel. Actually, it's not really rebooting. Most of the time it hangs with the disk activity light locked on solid. Last night it crashed and actually rebooted. When it rebooted, it complained about all sorts of drive errors like drive not responding. I have an UltraStor 34F controller. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 10:56:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA26523 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:56:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA26517 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA03464; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:58:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:58:36 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512211858.LAA03464@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: Jeffrey Hsu Cc: scrappy@hub.org, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.1-STABLE rebooting... In-Reply-To: <199512211739.JAA21084@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <199512211739.JAA21084@freefall.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > For what it's worth, I've also been getting spontaneous reboots > with a -current kernel. Actually, it's not really rebooting. > Most of the time it hangs with the disk activity light locked on > solid. Hey, that resembles the same problems I'm having on my laptop, but sometimes the disk light stays on, and at other times it doesn. > Last night it crashed and actually rebooted. When it > rebooted, it complained about all sorts of drive errors like > drive not responding. I have an UltraStor 34F controller. When it crashes is it dumping core? From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 11:35:56 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA00506 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00491 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:35:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA07664; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:35:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:35:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: Nate Williams cc: Jeffrey Hsu , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2.1-STABLE rebooting... In-Reply-To: <199512211858.LAA03464@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > When it crashes is it dumping core? > In my case, I can't get anything out of it...not even an error message on the root console. Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting scrappy@hub.org | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, soon to be: | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://hub.org | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 11:59:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA03581 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from julian@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA03573 for hackers; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:59:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 11:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer Message-Id: <199512211959.LAA03573@freefall.freebsd.org> To: hackers Subject: anyone tried making a kernel with NO networking? Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Undefined symbol `_netisr_set' :)  or more likely :b julian From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 13:25:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA10576 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:25:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.22.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10567 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:25:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743 by sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id QAA05440; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:25:11 -0500 Received: by sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA10262; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:25:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:25:10 -0500 From: tsingle@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Singletary) Message-Id: <199512212125.QAA10262@sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: semctl() portability issue and fix Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk FreeBSD 2.1, in /usr/include/sys/sem.h declares int semctl __P((int, int, int, union semun)); Note that the fourth argument to semctl() is required. Other unix systems (SunOS, Solaris, HPUX, and OSF1, to name a few) treat the fourth argument as optional unless the third argument is SETVAL, GETALL, SETALL, IPC_STAT, or IPC_SET. The SunOS manual _Porting_Software_to_SPARC_ even says: Programs that call semctl() with these subcommands [those requiring a fourth argument] must pass the union itself, rather than an element of the union, or a constant such as 0 (zero). Programs that call semctl() with other subcommands should omit the fourth argument, rather than pass a constant such as 0 (zero). So there's a portability issue: code which compiles and runs just fine on other systems won't compile on FreeBSD! I've `fixed' things so that the fourth argument is optional on my system. My fix ignores the ``#if __STDC__'' wrapper in the original semctl.c -- won't it always get compiled in a `__STDC__' environment? Anyway, here's what I've done: 1: I changed line 164 of /usr/include/sys/sem.h from int semctl __P((int, int, int, union semun)); to int semctl __P((int, int, int, ...)); 2: I replaced /usr/src/lib/libc/gen/semctl.c with -begin-------------- #include #include #include #include int semctl(int semid, int semnum, int cmd, ...) { va_list ap; union semun fourth_arg; union semun *fourth_arg_ptr; va_start(ap,cmd); if (cmd == IPC_SET || cmd == IPC_STAT || cmd == GETALL || cmd == SETVAL || cmd == SETALL) { fourth_arg = va_arg(ap, union semun); fourth_arg_ptr = &fourth_arg; } fourth_arg_ptr = NULL; va_end(ap); return (semsys(0, semid, semnum, cmd, fourth_arg_ptr)); } -end---------------- Anyway, I'd appreciate all comments! Naturally, I'd like to see this (or some other fix) make its way into the FreeBSD source tree. tim From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 13:44:28 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA12363 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:44:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA12349 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA04849; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:44:05 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA14718; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:44:05 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA15862; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:16:06 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512212116.WAA15862@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:16:06 +0100 (MET) Cc: phk@critter.tfs.com, joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, nate@rocky.sri.MT.net, hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512211610.JAA02765@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 21, 95 09:10:36 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk As Nate Williams wrote: > > > > I've been noticing this yesterday, too. Garrett solved the problem > > > for the non proxy-arp case right before 2.1 (where a clone route has > > > been allocated through the default route, pointing to the ethernet > > > interface), but this one here is still broken. > > Umm, I'm not seeing that fix on my 2.1 box (which is running post 2.1 > stuff including fixes that came in after the fact), and I don't remember > the fix going in. I just perused the commitlog file and I'm not seeing > any 'arp' fix, although I'm looking at the clone route stuff. No, it is entirely unrelated with arp. I meant the fix from sys/net/route.c rev 1.26. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 14:04:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA14099 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA14085 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:03:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id WAA04840; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:43:04 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id WAA14705; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:43:03 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA15836; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:14:48 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512212114.WAA15836@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) To: ache@astral.msk.su (=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:14:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Dec 21, 95 11:58:25 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= wrote: > > It means that you copy log preserving file times and then > zero the same descriptor. > > If I not see objections with explanations, I plan to commit it. Please, email with Thomas Graichen (graichen@freebsd.org) before; he's intending to revamp the {dai,week,month}ly cleanup stuff. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 14:21:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA15441 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from gateway.net.hk (john@gateway.hk.linkage.net [202.76.7.50]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15435 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from john@localhost) by gateway.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id GAA03126; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:16:56 +0800 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:16:55 +0800 (HKT) From: John Beukema To: Nate Williams cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Nate Williams wrote: > I'm seeing a fairly significant bug in FreeBSD's networking code > w/regards to routing and arp, and I'm looking for someone who can help > me figure this out. > > > This problem occurs with normal arp as well as proxy-arp, so you can have > up to three arp entries for a single IP address in the arp table. > > Here's what happens on my server box right now. > > ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at (incomplete) > ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published > ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published (proxy only) > > Fun, huh? I've got kernel dumps where the bogosity is occuring, > back-traces, and all sorts of programs to trigger the bug and more > information than you'll ever want to describe the problem, but I'm > beating my head against the wall trying to figure out the code flow, so > I'm appealing the BSD gurus to help. > > This problem won't occur if the arp entries time-out on both the remote > host and the server box. If that happens, then the proxy-arp entry > which gets added by PPPD is the first in the arp table, and routing is > correct until the line goes down. > > I've checked and neither SunOS 4.1 nor Solaris 2.4 have this bug, and I > don't have root access on any other OS's to test this out. > > Please help! > > > > Nate > Something similar seem to happen with BSD/OS 2.01 so the problem probably come from the 4.4 Lite code. They remove arp entries before each ppp connection. jbeukema From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 14:24:45 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA15976 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA15964 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04305; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:26:52 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:26:52 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512212226.PAA04305@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: John Beukema Cc: Nate Williams , hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? In-Reply-To: References: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [ ARP bugs ] > Something similar seem to happen with BSD/OS 2.01 so the problem probably > come from the 4.4 Lite code. They remove arp entries before each ppp > connection. That makes me feel a bit better. At least it's not a bug we've introduced. For now, I've done the same thing as BSDI' in my ppp/slip login scripts, but I want to fix the real bug. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 14:55:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA18193 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:55:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18188 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA06141 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:55:24 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA16334 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:55:23 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA16349 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:18:09 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512212218.XAA16349@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: Problems with crash dumps not dumping To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:18:09 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512211648.AA12735@Sysiphos> from "Stefan Esser" at Dec 21, 95 05:48:42 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Stefan Esser wrote: > > I never tested, whether writing kernel > cores works with the NCR driver. I seem to remember that it has been working with the corporate server of my former employer. This was with a very early version of the driver under 1.1.5.1. Anyway, my memory might fail as well, since this machine did only crash twice, during the initial installation phase more than a year ago. (Before the machine has been moved physically recently, i forgot to make an `uptime' snap from it. I think it's been up for more than 100 days. :-) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 15:00:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA18650 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18591 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 14:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id XAA06153; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:55:29 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id XAA16339; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:55:29 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA16320; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:12:27 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512212212.XAA16320@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD interrupt management To: gatliff@cel.cummins.com (William A. Gatliff) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:12:27 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <9512211636.AA03690@gatekeeper.cummins.com> from "William A. Gatliff" at Dec 21, 95 11:07:39 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As William A. Gatliff wrote: > > I've waded around in some 2.0.5 driver code (the 8250, I think), and I'm > stumped. I can't make the connection between when the uart generates the > interrupt and the calling sequence to invoke the driver. I checked the Well, i think this is one of the most trickiest portions, since all the interrupt handler stubs are being auto-generated by the config program. I order to understand all of this, you don't only need the kernel sources, but you also need to configure a kernel compile directory. Well, why don't you grab an old i386/sx16, wipe the dust off it, and install a tiny FreeBSD on it? > handbook, and couldn't find any clues on how device drivers interact with the > kernel, and apparently the 8250 driver isn't basic enough for a lower life > form such as myself. :^) Can someone point me in a different direction? Hmm, well, once you figured it out and happen to know about the details, please write us a section for the handbook. :-) > I've FTP'd 2.1, but I can't get the files back into human-readable form... for the `foo' dist: cat foo.?? | gzip -dc | (cd /where/you/want; tar -xvf -) They are gzipped tar files. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 15:12:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA19650 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (root@sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19560 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:12:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (uucp@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id BAA11966 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:12:48 +0200 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with ESMTP id TAA01899 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:04:49 +0200 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) id TAA09971 for hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:04:48 +0200 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:04:48 +0200 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199512211704.TAA09971@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: User classes??? (was: BSD/OS 2.1 and BSDI information (fwd) Organization: Electronni Visti InformAgency (ElVisti) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2+] Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'd want to attract a bit of attention to the following issue: : Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:04:51 -0600 : From: Mike Karels : To: bsdi-users@BSDI.COM : Subject: BSD/OS 2.1 and BSDI information [... feature list skipped, some of them are neat, really ...] But _this_ is the most interesting and valuable: : User classes : Passwd file lists class for each user : Per-class limits, priorities, restrictions : Separate authentication and authorization : Additional authentication schemes: : cryptographic tokens: cryptocard, activecard, snk004 : one-time passwords Can anyone explain, what does it _really_ mean? How is it done? Is this a BSDI's own invention or there are some existing prototypes of this feature? Any known papers/techreports about "user classes" and their implementation? -- With best regards -- Andrew Stesin. +380 (44) 2760188 +380 (44) 2713457 +380 (44) 2713560 An undocumented feature is a coding error. From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 15:47:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA21507 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from sovcom.kiae.su (sovcom.kiae.su [144.206.136.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA21487 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 15:47:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by sovcom.kiae.su id AA21447 (5.65.kiae-1 ); Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:41:40 +0300 Received: by sovcom.KIAE.su (UUMAIL/2.0); Fri, 22 Dec 95 02:41:39 +0300 Received: (from ache@localhost) by ache.dialup.ru (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA00515; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:34:45 +0300 (MSK) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Guy Helmer References: In-Reply-To: ; from Guy Helmer at Thu, 21 Dec 1995 10:34:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: Organization: Olahm Ha-Yetzirah Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:34:45 +0300 (MSK) X-Mailer: Mail/@ [v2.41 FreeBSD] From: =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= (aka Andrey A. Chernov, Black Mage) X-Class: Fast Subject: Re: 2.1 news server crashes Lines: 26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message Guy Helmer writes: >Since upgrading our campus news server to FreeBSD 2.1, it has been >crashing every few days, and the system hasn't been able to come back up >by itself because of problems encountered by fsck. After the last crash, >I enabled savecore and set the dumpdev and this morning I have captured a >crash dump (the panic was "bad dir"). >When I ran fsck by hand on the problem filesystem (wd0s1e, my >news-overview database parition), I encountered these problems: >DIRECTORY CORRUPTED I=7811 OWNER=news MODE=40775 >SIZE=512 MTIME=Dec 20 00:31 1995 >DIR=? >SALVAGE? Y It seems that fsck not successful to salvage it. Try to run it TWO times instead of one. If problem shows again, simple clri inode. -- Andrey A. Chernov : And I rest so composedly, /Now, in my bed, ache@astral.msk.su : That any beholder /Might fancy me dead - http://dt.demos.su/~ache : Might start at beholding me, /Thinking me dead. RELCOM Team,FreeBSD Team : E.A.Poe From "For Annie" 1849 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 16:04:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA22499 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:04:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from schizo.cdsnet.net (schizo.cdsnet.net [204.118.244.32]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA22491 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:04:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by schizo.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA29745; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:04:11 -0800 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:04:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jaye Mathisen To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Resource unavailable... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk My INN server is kicking these out with some frequency now, but I'm not sure which limit is being bumped up against. Not Memory, not maxproc, (at least according to "limit"). Any quickie ideas? (FreeBSD 2.1-stable). From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 16:33:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA23784 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM ([198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23766 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 16:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA17944; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:31:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:31:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG cc: dufault@hda.com, bde@zeta.org.au, hm@altona.hamburg.com, se@mi.Uni-Koeln.de Subject: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Peter Defualt wrote: > > As John Beukema wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can I expect the same under fbsd? > > > > Nope, you should use the `changer' device (ch0). Our CDROMs aren't > > `sd' drives anyway. > No, use the CD driver. It should attach as 7 drives, switching > when you access the different LUNS. The ch driver is a media > changer, I think like the Exabyte stacker. > This is Hellmuth's notorious Nakamichi drive that needs a > fix to work properly, though I bet that one that BDE posted is the > right one. this drive costs $129 at CSC (408-734-disk). they are selling a Nakamichi scsi-ii fast, 2x, 256kB buffer unit. the price and number of cdroms is great. but will it work???? i want to use it with an ncr53c810 that built into my asus sp3g motherboard. in 2.1.0-R /sys/pci/ncr.c: "#define MAX_LUN (1)" gack!!! jmb Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 17:51:37 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA27050 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:51:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from psychotic.communica.com.au (root@gw.communica.com.au [203.8.94.161]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27045 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from communica.com.au (newton@frenzy [192.82.222.1]) by psychotic.communica.com.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA04565; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:20:23 +1030 Received: by communica.com.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14257; Fri, 22 Dec 95 12:19:48 CDT From: newton@communica.com.au (Mark Newton) Message-Id: <9512220149.AA14257@communica.com.au> Subject: Re: BSD networking code guru needed? To: nate@rocky.sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:19:47 +1030 (CST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org, isp@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512210116.SAA01444@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Dec 20, 95 06:16:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Nate Williams wrote: > Here's what happens on my server box right now. > > ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at (incomplete) > ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published > ws1.sri.MT.net (204.182.243.100) at 0:80:48:e8:27:63 permanent published (proxy only) Hmm: newton@cleese> arp -a cleese.apana.org.au (203.14.159.10) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent hal9000.apana.org.au (203.14.159.11) at 0:0:21:45:25:71 squish.apana.org.au (203.14.159.12) at 8:0:1:1:67:fd delta.apana.org.au (203.14.159.129) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent delta.apana.org.au (203.14.159.129) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published master.apana.org.au (203.14.159.130) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent master.apana.org.au (203.14.159.130) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published saturn.apana.org.au (203.14.159.133) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published (proxy only) marge.apana.org.au (203.14.159.137) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published ros.apana.org.au (203.14.159.139) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published vivi.apana.org.au (203.14.159.140) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published nipnyep.apana.org.au (203.14.159.143) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published traffix.apana.org.au (203.14.159.144) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published conny.apana.org.au (203.14.159.146) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published newel.apana.org.au (203.14.159.147) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published shaea.apana.org.au (203.14.159.149) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published riffraf.apana.org.au (203.14.159.150) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published slammer.apana.org.au (203.14.159.151) at 0:0:21:54:66:99 permanent published ? (203.14.159.255) at (incomplete) (FreeBSD 2.0.5-RELEASE) That last entry bugs me a bit too: I've never seen any other system trying to ARP for the broadcast address. Each of those hostnames represents a dial-up SLIP site (using /usr/sbin/sliplogin). I actually add proxy ARP entries for them at boot time, using a shell script which goes through my slip.hosts file and adds an ARP entry for each valid host. delta and master seem to have the problem you describe above. saturn seems completely different (read: inconsistent): It has been added to the ARP table at exactly the same time as all the others, but it shows up as "(proxy only)". Bizarre. I think proxy ARP on FreeBSD is bogus :-) The wierd thing is that when these hosts login they *work*. You're seeing a manifestation of the problem which doesn't work; I'm seeing one where it doesn't seem to affect operation (even though it's dead wrong). What gives? > This problem won't occur if the arp entries time-out on both the remote > host and the server box. If that happens, then the proxy-arp entry > which gets added by PPPD is the first in the arp table, and routing is > correct until the line goes down. Hmm - For PPP sites I use ijppp. The only permanent proxies in my ARP table are for SLIP sites. I wonder if the thing that's stopping it from working for you has something to do with the way pppd handles proxy ARP? - mark --- Mark Newton Email: newton@communica.com.au Systems Engineer Phone: +61-8-373-2523 Communica Systems WWW: http://www.communica.com.au From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 18:19:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA27797 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:19:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from hemi.com (hemi.com [204.132.158.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA27792 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mbarkah@localhost) by hemi.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA03750; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:18:55 -0700 From: Ade Barkah Message-Id: <199512220218.TAA03750@hemi.com> Subject: device npx0 (was Re: your mail) To: chuckr@glue.umd.edu (Chuck Robey) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:18:55 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Dec 21, 95 06:00:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > This is the configuration of my kernel: > > my machine is a pentium 90 with a sound card can yuo help me? > > # > > # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.46.2.6 1995/10/25 17:29:51 jkh Exp $ > > Well, for one thing, the npx0 device is not optional, you _must_ put it > back in. You don't have a choice on that. Maybe programs like config should check for non-optional devices and warn the user if any are missing. -Ade Barkah -------------------------------------------------------------------- Inet: mbarkah@hemi.com - HEMISPHERE ONLINE - www: -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 18:28:00 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA28079 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA28051 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:27:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA27382; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:37:39 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199512220237.VAA27382@hda.com> Subject: Re: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer To: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG (Jonathan M. Bresler) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:37:38 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, bde@zeta.org.au, hm@altona.hamburg.com, se@mi.Uni-Koeln.de In-Reply-To: from "Jonathan M. Bresler" at Dec 21, 95 07:31:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Peter Defualt wrote: Who is that guy? > this drive costs $129 at CSC (408-734-disk). they are selling a > Nakamichi scsi-ii fast, 2x, 256kB buffer unit. Hellmuth's drive (which survived 10 hours of "ls -R > /dev/null" on seven disks with mounting and unmounting going on) is a "Nakamichi MBR-7" double speed drive with a 64kb buffer. I'm using it with pretty-darn-close to 2.1R with the aha1542c. It is likely that the unit you are looking at will work the same. ... > but will it work???? i want to use it with an ncr53c810 that > built into my asus sp3g motherboard. > > in 2.1.0-R /sys/pci/ncr.c: "#define MAX_LUN (1)" gack!!! I don't know about this and I don't have the source on line here. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 19:09:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA29510 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from brasil.moneng.mei.com (brasil.moneng.mei.com [151.186.109.160]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29488 Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by brasil.moneng.mei.com (8.7.Beta.1/8.7.Beta.1) id VAA02027; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:08:17 -0600 From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <199512220308.VAA02027@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Subject: Re: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer To: dufault@hda.com (Peter Dufault) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 21:08:17 -0600 (CST) Cc: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, bde@zeta.org.au, hm@altona.hamburg.com, se@mi.uni-koeln.de In-Reply-To: <199512220237.VAA27382@hda.com> from "Peter Dufault" at Dec 21, 95 09:37:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Peter Defualt wrote: > > Who is that guy? > > > this drive costs $129 at CSC (408-734-disk). they are selling a > > Nakamichi scsi-ii fast, 2x, 256kB buffer unit. Is that the 7-disk changer??? For $129? > Hellmuth's drive (which survived 10 hours of "ls -R > /dev/null" > on seven disks with mounting and unmounting going on) is a "Nakamichi > MBR-7" double speed drive with a 64kb buffer. I'm using it with > pretty-darn-close to 2.1R with the aha1542c. It is likely that > the unit you are looking at will work the same. > > > but will it work???? i want to use it with an ncr53c810 that > > built into my asus sp3g motherboard. > > > > in 2.1.0-R /sys/pci/ncr.c: "#define MAX_LUN (1)" gack!!! > > I don't know about this and I don't have the source on line here. I have a friend who recently picked up the 4x 7-CD version of this unit, I could conceivably borrow it for a day or two and toss it on my Web server box (SP3G) to see if it works. ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 19:36:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA01603 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:36:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from iron.octet.com (iron.octet.com [204.141.97.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA01587 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:36:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cosmos@localhost) by iron.octet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id WAA00710; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:35:44 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:35:44 +0000 () From: Daniel Leeds To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: adding disk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk in 2.1, whats the proper procedure to add a new disk to an existing system?? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel Leeds Unix Admin Octet Media Beatnik -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 20:21:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA05720 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05711 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA01316; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:20:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:20:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: supfilesrv logging... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi... I've just setup a sup server on my machine, and find it lacking one thing...some sort of logging similar to ftp/www...I don't want to know what ppl are taking, don't much care about that, but I'd love to know who is connecting, how many connections I'm getting, etc. Even, if possible, how many ppl are getting rejections because its too busy. Anyone do mods to supfilesrv to do this? Thanks... Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting scrappy@hub.org | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, soon to be: | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://hub.org | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 20:23:59 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA05818 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA05813 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:23:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA07319 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:23:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199512220423.UAA07319@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 to: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Second post ---Re: pnp isolation program? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:04:16 PST." <199512210904.BAA00399@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:23:37 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Knock, knock any PnP experts in the house? Look guys, there is a ton of PnP hardware coming out so it is sort of nice to start looking into PnP hardware configuration... Linux has a PnP project for managing PnP devices, unfortunatly they are done yet so I have to ask around here. Tnks, Amancio >>> "Amancio Hasty Jr." said: > > Say can anyone tell me what am I doing wrong with this program? > > I can't get the serial ID of my PnP card. > > This is code is also part of a device driver.... > > > Tnks, > Amancio > From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 20:55:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA06865 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:55:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bacchus.eng.umd.edu (bacchus.eng.umd.edu [129.2.94.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06860 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 20:55:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from espresso.eng.umd.edu (espresso.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.13]) by bacchus.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18577; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (chuckr@localhost) by espresso.eng.umd.edu (8.7.3/8.6.4) id XAA14213; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:54:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:54:51 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey X-Sender: chuckr@espresso.eng.umd.edu To: Ade Barkah cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: device npx0 (was Re: your mail) In-Reply-To: <199512220218.TAA03750@hemi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 21 Dec 1995, Ade Barkah wrote: > > > > This is the configuration of my kernel: > > > my machine is a pentium 90 with a sound card can yuo help me? > > > # > > > # $Id: GENERIC,v 1.46.2.6 1995/10/25 17:29:51 jkh Exp $ > > > > Well, for one thing, the npx0 device is not optional, you _must_ put it > > back in. You don't have a choice on that. > > Maybe programs like config should check for non-optional devices > and warn the user if any are missing. Well, I don't know enough to fix this myself, but it really seems that there shouldn't be _any_ non-optional things in config. I don't see any functional reason for it, except perhaps to test folks patience. I think that this was caused by a temporary mistake in the handbook ... and that means we can expect a pretty steady flow of complaints on this, until the info finally gets aged. ============================================================================ Chuck Robey chuckr@eng.umd.edu -- I run FreeBSD on n3lxx and Journey2 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Dilbert Zone is Dilbert's new WWW home! The area features never-before-seen original sketches of Dilbert, a photo tour of Scott Adams' studio, Dilbert Trivia and memorabilia, high school photos and much more!: From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Dec 21 23:03:41 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA10025 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:03:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10020 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:03:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com [151.116.109.7]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA15102 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:03:37 -0700 (MST) Received: (from rxscot2@localhost) by lookout.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (8.6.11/uswc-hub.950320) id AAA10471; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:03:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:03:36 -0700 (MST) From: Rich Scott To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: 2.1.0-release: can't get Chinon CD-ROM working with ncr0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just received my 2.1 CD, and am not able to get it to successfully use my Chinon 535S CD-ROM drive. My motherboard is a Tyan Titan III, with 256k burst cache, 16 megabytes of RAM, and a Tyan Yorktown SCSI controller, which is basically an NCR 3c825, (operating in non-wide scsi mode to the Chinon cd). I always get SCSI phase errors. This configuration works fine with DOS and the Tyan-supplied (Symbios?) drivers, as well as the last several revisions of Linux, so I believe the drive "works", although I've heard that it's compliancy with SCSI specs is a bit shaky. I'm also using an IDE drive (the only disk on the system; soon I'll sell it, and go all-SCSI). I tried compiling the kernel of 2.2-current (taken from the snapshot of 3 days ago), to no avail. I enclose the boot messages for my 2.1 kernel below. I had to install by copying over the floppy images to my DOS partition in a DOS session, and then specify the latter as my install medium, which is tedious, and I'm still not able to use the live fs disk from the 2.1 distribution. Does anyone have any suggestions for fixes and/or patches? Thanks. BTW, other than this, I love FreeBSD! Happy Holidays to all the developers! =rich -- Rich Scott DMP/MAE USWest Technologies, Denver, CO --------- FreeBSD 2.1.0-RELEASE #1: Wed Dec 20 10:03:29 MST 1995 root@espresso.ecte.uswc.uswest.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/ARABICA CPU: 75-MHz Pentium 735\\90 or 815\\100 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x525 Stepping=5 Features=0x1bf real memory = 16777216 (16384K bytes) avail memory = 15171584 (14816K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <4 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 431MB (883624 sectors), 1018 cyls, 14 heads, 62 S/T, 512 B/S fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Probing for devices on the PCI bus: chip0 rev 2 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 vga0 rev 0 int a irq 11 on pci0:17 ncr0 rev 2 int a irq 12 on pci0:19 (ncr0:0:0): "CHINON CD-ROM CDS-535 Q20" type 5 removable SCSI 2 cd0(ncr0:0:0): CD-ROM ncr0: SCSI phase error fixup: CCB address mismatch (0xf06c4c00 != 0xf06c3948) ncr0:0: ERROR (80:100) (e-aa-ff00) (0/13) @ (438:1e000000). script cmd = 868b0000 reg: da 10 80 13 47 00 00 0f 00 0e 00 aa 80 00 0a 09. ncr0: handshake timeout cd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (6 ff) @f06c4c00. ncr0: SCSI phase error fixup: CCB address mismatch (0xf06c4c00 != 0xf06c3948) ncr0:0: ERROR (80:100) (e-aa-ff00) (0/13) @ (438:1e000000). script cmd = 868b0000 reg: da 10 80 13 47 00 00 0f 00 0e 00 aa 80 00 0a 09. ncr0: handshake timeout cd0(ncr0:0:0): COMMAND FAILED (6 ff) @f06c4c00. can't get the size probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_cmd probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_done (ncr0:9:0): command: 0,0,0,0,0,0-[0 bytes] probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_done (ncr0:9:0): command: 0,0,0,0,0,0-[0 bytes] probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_done (ncr0:9:0): command: 0,0,0,0,0,0-[0 bytes] probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_cmd probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_done (ncr0:9:0): command: 12,0,0,0,2c,0-[44 bytes] ------------------------------ 000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 016: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 032: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ------------------------------ probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_done (ncr0:9:0): command: 12,0,0,0,2c,0-[44 bytes] ------------------------------ 000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 016: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 032: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ------------------------------ probe0(ncr0:9:0): scsi_done (ncr0:9:0): command: 12,0,0,0,2c,0-[44 bytes] ------------------------------ 000: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 016: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 032: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 00:23:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA12927 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from hq.icb.chel.su (icb-rich-gw.icb.chel.su [193.125.10.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA12869 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:21:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (babkin@localhost) by hq.icb.chel.su (8.6.5/8.6.5) id NAA15789; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:06:26 +0500 From: "Serge A. Babkin" Message-Id: <199512220806.NAA15789@hq.icb.chel.su> Subject: Digiboard patch To: bde@zeta.org.au Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:06:26 +0500 (GMT+0500) Cc: erich@jake.lodgenet.com, ptitz@base.dux.ru, alexis@ww.net, hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! I have made a patch for Digiboard. It does: 1. Fixes the bug with erroneous resending of the output buffer 2. Fixes the problem with panics when some verisons of Digiboard report events on nonexisting ports 3. Fixes the bug with registering the device for lsdev I have created this patch on a slightly old version of driver but it applies very well to -current (I tested): -------------------------- cut here---------------------------------------- *** 1.44 1995/12/22 07:26:52 --- dgb.c 1995/12/22 07:42:08 *************** *** 434,440 **** &kdc_isa0, /* parent */ 0, /* parentdata */ DC_UNCONFIGURED, ! "DigiBoard multiport card" } }; static void --- 434,441 ---- &kdc_isa0, /* parent */ 0, /* parentdata */ DC_UNCONFIGURED, ! "DigiBoard multiport card", ! DC_CLS_SERIAL, } }; static void *************** *** 450,456 **** kdc_dgb[unit].kdc_isa = id; /* now we assume that multiport is always 'open' for simplicity */ ! kdc_dgb[unit].kdc_state = DC_BUSY; dev_attach(&kdc_dgb[unit]); } --- 451,457 ---- kdc_dgb[unit].kdc_isa = id; /* now we assume that multiport is always 'open' for simplicity */ ! kdc_dgb[unit].kdc_state = DC_UNKNOWN; dev_attach(&kdc_dgb[unit]); } *************** *** 872,877 **** --- 873,880 ---- hidewin(sc); + dgbregisterdev(dev); + /* register the polling function */ timeout(dgbpoll, (void *)unit, hz/25); *************** *** 1217,1229 **** lstat=eventbuf[3]; port=&sc->ports[pnum]; - bc=port->brdchan; tp=&sc->ttys[pnum]; if(pnum>=sc->numports || port->status==DISABLED) { printf("dgb%d: port %d: got event on nonexisting port\n",unit,pnum); } else if(port->used || port->wopeners>0 ) { if( !(event & ALL_IND) ) printf("dgb%d: port%d: ? event 0x%x mstat 0x%x lstat 0x%x\n", unit, pnum, event, mstat, lstat); --- 1220,1233 ---- lstat=eventbuf[3]; port=&sc->ports[pnum]; tp=&sc->ttys[pnum]; if(pnum>=sc->numports || port->status==DISABLED) { printf("dgb%d: port %d: got event on nonexisting port\n",unit,pnum); } else if(port->used || port->wopeners>0 ) { + bc=port->brdchan; + if( !(event & ALL_IND) ) printf("dgb%d: port%d: ? event 0x%x mstat 0x%x lstat 0x%x\n", unit, pnum, event, mstat, lstat); *************** *** 1375,1388 **** #endif end_of_buffer: } } else { DPRINT4("dgb%d: port %d: got event 0x%x on closed port\n", unit,pnum,event); bc->rout=bc->rin; bc->idata=bc->iempty=bc->ilow=0; } - - bc->idata=1; tail= (tail+4) & (FEP_IMAX-FEP_ISTART-4); } --- 1379,1393 ---- #endif end_of_buffer: } + bc->idata=1; + } else { + bc=port->brdchan; DPRINT4("dgb%d: port %d: got event 0x%x on closed port\n", unit,pnum,event); bc->rout=bc->rin; bc->idata=bc->iempty=bc->ilow=0; } tail= (tail+4) & (FEP_IMAX-FEP_ISTART-4); } *************** *** 1928,1933 **** --- 1933,1940 ---- ocount=q_to_b(&tp->t_outq, port->txptr+head, size); head+=ocount; + if(head>=port->txbufsize) + head-=port->txbufsize; setwin(sc,0); bc->tin=head; From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 00:46:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA13721 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:46:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13282 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (julia.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.235]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA10244; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:32:38 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA26432; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:32:37 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512220832.JAA26432@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) To: ache@astral.msk.su Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:32:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hasn't =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= said ? ... > > Current logs rotating code > ... > if [ -f $i.1 ]; then mv -f $i.1 $i.2; fi > if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi > if [ -f $i ]; then mv -f $i $i.0; fi > >$i > isn't good for daemons, because thet keep log descriptor open. > It means that daemon_log moved to daemon_log.0 and diagnostics > still writted to daemon_log.0! New daemon_log leaves zero-sized > until reboot. > > What I suggest: > > if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi > if [ -f $i ]; then cp -fp $i $i.0; fi > >$i > > It means that you copy log preserving file times and then > zero the same descriptor. > > If I not see objections with explanations, I plan to commit it. > i plan to commit newsyslog from NetBSD which does all the rotation automatically - you may configure it using /etc/newsyslog.conf you may get my test-package from freefall ~graichen/misc/review.tgz or via ftp from dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de:/pub/freebsd/misc/review.tgz please look at it and send me all problems you find with it - i asked around in hackers if there are any contra's to committing it - but i got only pro's :-) i plan to commit it between christmas and new year - if anybody will test it before t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 00:49:38 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA13820 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:49:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA13815 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:49:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id AAA07499 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 00:47:53 -0800 Received: from julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (julia.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.235]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA10244; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:32:38 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by julia.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA26432; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:32:37 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512220832.JAA26432@julia.physik.fu-berlin.de> Subject: Re: weekly/monthly logs rotating idea (commit candidate) To: ache@astral.msk.su Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:32:36 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hasn't =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= said ? ... > > Current logs rotating code > ... > if [ -f $i.1 ]; then mv -f $i.1 $i.2; fi > if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi > if [ -f $i ]; then mv -f $i $i.0; fi > >$i > isn't good for daemons, because thet keep log descriptor open. > It means that daemon_log moved to daemon_log.0 and diagnostics > still writted to daemon_log.0! New daemon_log leaves zero-sized > until reboot. > > What I suggest: > > if [ -f $i.0 ]; then mv -f $i.0 $i.1; fi > if [ -f $i ]; then cp -fp $i $i.0; fi > >$i > > It means that you copy log preserving file times and then > zero the same descriptor. > > If I not see objections with explanations, I plan to commit it. > i plan to commit newsyslog from NetBSD which does all the rotation automatically - you may configure it using /etc/newsyslog.conf you may get my test-package from freefall ~graichen/misc/review.tgz or via ftp from dirac.physik.fu-berlin.de:/pub/freebsd/misc/review.tgz please look at it and send me all problems you find with it - i asked around in hackers if there are any contra's to committing it - but i got only pro's :-) i plan to commit it between christmas and new year - if anybody will test it before t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 01:15:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA14563 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix.stylo.it ([194.21.207.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA14550 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 01:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from trust.stylo.it (trust.stylo.it [194.21.207.253]) by unix.stylo.it (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03662; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:15:45 +0100 Received: by trust.stylo.it with NT SMTP Gateway ver 31 id <30DA75B4@trust.stylo.it>; Fri, 22 Dec 95 10:09:08 W From: Angelo Turetta To: freebsd-hackers , "'SMTP:tsingle@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov'" Subject: Re: semctl() portability issue and fix Date: Fri, 22 Dec 95 10:09:00 W Message-ID: <30DA75B4@trust.stylo.it> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Tim Singletary wrote: > if (cmd == IPC_SET || cmd == IPC_STAT || cmd == GETALL > || cmd == SETVAL || cmd == SETALL) { > fourth_arg = va_arg(ap, union semun); > fourth_arg_ptr = &fourth_arg; > } > fourth_arg_ptr = NULL; > va_end(ap); > > return (semsys(0, semid, semnum, cmd, fourth_arg_ptr)); Probably a typo, but it seems to me fourth_arg_ptr will always be NULL upon call to semsys. Better to put an 'else' before it (or at least move assignment BEFORE the if statement ) :-) :-) Angelo. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 02:14:14 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA17691 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17683 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 02:14:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Fri, 22 Dec 95 10:13 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA20415; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:28:16 +0100 Message-Id: <199512220928.KAA20415@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: December issue of SunExpert To: chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:28:15 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199512211715.MAA06814@fang.cs.sunyit.edu> from "chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu" at Dec 21, 95 12:15:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk chuck@fang.cs.sunyit.edu writes: > > I was thumbing through my latest issue of SunExpert and noticed in > the "New Products" section a little blurb on FreeBSD. > > "Freeware and shareware vendor Walnut Creek CDROM has added FreeBSD 2.0.5 > to its offerings. FWIW, I received a press release from Walnut Creek announcing FreeBSD 2.0.5 at the end of November. That's probably the source of this note as well. > Pricing > at $3995." WOW! SCO, here we come. Greg From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 04:56:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id EAA24106 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 04:56:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id EAA24101 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 04:56:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA29181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for hackers@freebsd.org); Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:55:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199512221255.AA29181@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:55:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: Rich Scott "2.1.0-release: can't get Chinon CD-ROM working with ncr0" (Dec 22, 0:03) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: Rich Scott Subject: Re: 2.1.0-release: can't get Chinon CD-ROM working with ncr0 Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Dec 22, 0:03, Rich Scott wrote: } Subject: 2.1.0-release: can't get Chinon CD-ROM working with ncr0 } } I just received my 2.1 CD, and am not able to get it to successfully } use my Chinon 535S CD-ROM drive. My motherboard is a Tyan Titan III, } with 256k burst cache, 16 megabytes of RAM, and a Tyan Yorktown SCSI } controller, which is basically an NCR 3c825, (operating in non-wide } scsi mode to the Chinon cd). I always get SCSI phase errors. This } configuration works fine with DOS and the Tyan-supplied (Symbios?) } drivers, as well as the last several revisions of Linux, so I believe } the drive "works", although I've heard that it's compliancy with SCSI } specs is a bit shaky. I'm also using an IDE drive (the only disk on the } system; soon I'll sell it, and go all-SCSI). } } I tried compiling the kernel of 2.2-current (taken from the snapshot } of 3 days ago), to no avail. I enclose the boot messages for my } 2.1 kernel below. I had to install by copying over the floppy images } to my DOS partition in a DOS session, and then specify the latter } as my install medium, which is tedious, and I'm still not able to } use the live fs disk from the 2.1 distribution. } } Does anyone have any suggestions for fixes and/or patches? Thanks. } BTW, other than this, I love FreeBSD! Happy Holidays to all the } developers! Sorry, you are the second person within a few days to get hit by the Chinon problem ... If you have your system up and running, then I'd be glad if I could send you a small patch to add back support of the Chinon to the NCR driver. The driver is broken after adding better error checks which help increase reliability in the case of bad cables or other SCSI bus problems. There will be a SCSI bus reset in certain situations, and this will make the Chinon probe fail, which succeeded by accident before :) The Chinon drives (525 and 535) have already cost me much time and effort. I don't own one (and don't intend to buy one, because they are know to be buggy :), so I can't test driver changes with these devices myself. Please apply the following patch, rebuild the kernel, and let me know whether this solves your problem ... Sorry for the inconvenience and thanks in advance, STefan Index: /sys/pci/ncr.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/pci/ncr.c,v retrieving revision 1.52 diff -C2 -r1.52 ncr.c *** ncr.c 1995/12/16 00:27:44 1.52 --- ncr.c 1995/12/21 21:27:58 *************** *** 1129,1133 **** ncrcmd skip2 [ 3]; ncrcmd idle [ 2]; ! ncrcmd select [ 24]; ncrcmd prepare [ 4]; ncrcmd loadpos [ 14]; --- 1129,1133 ---- ncrcmd skip2 [ 3]; ncrcmd idle [ 2]; ! ncrcmd select [ 22]; ncrcmd prepare [ 4]; ncrcmd loadpos [ 14]; *************** *** 1573,1578 **** --- 1573,1580 ---- SCR_MOVE_TBL ^ SCR_MSG_OUT, offsetof (struct dsb, smsg), + #ifdef undef SCR_JUMPR ^ IFTRUE (WHEN (SCR_MSG_OUT)), -16, + #endif SCR_CLR (SCR_ATN), 0, *************** *** 4983,4987 **** if (sist & RST) { ! ncr_init (np, bootverbose ? "scsi reset" : NULL, HS_RESET); return; }; --- 4985,4989 ---- if (sist & RST) { ! ncr_init (np, bootverbose ? "scsi reset" : NULL, HS_TIMEOUT); return; }; -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 05:20:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA24790 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Sysiphos (Sysiphos.MI.Uni-Koeln.DE [134.95.212.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA24719 Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:19:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by Sysiphos id AA29586 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:19:44 +0100 Message-Id: <199512221319.AA29586@Sysiphos> From: se@zpr.uni-koeln.de (Stefan Esser) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:19:43 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" "NAKAMICHI cdrom changer" (Dec 21, 19:31) X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 alpha(2) 7/9/95) To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, hm@altona.hamburg.com Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Dec 21, 19:31, "Jonathan M. Bresler" wrote: } Subject: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer } this drive costs $129 at CSC (408-734-disk). they are selling a } Nakamichi scsi-ii fast, 2x, 256kB buffer unit. } } the price and number of cdroms is great. } } but will it work???? i want to use it with an ncr53c810 that } built into my asus sp3g motherboard. } } in 2.1.0-R /sys/pci/ncr.c: "#define MAX_LUN (1)" gack!!! Well, there seem to be a number of drives that don't like probing higher LUN numbers, and there was not much need for them, until now ... The driver deals correctly with LUNs, and you should be able to just increase the MAX_LUN parameter. This should really be controlled from the generic SCSI code, and I have got ot admit, that I don't remember why it is not implemented that way, currently. (There is some extra RAM required per LUN, but this should not be much of a problem ...) If somebody sends me such a drive, I'll make sure it works! (Well, it's Christmas time :) Regards, STefan -- Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 ============================================================================== http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 05:23:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA24855 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:23:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA24849 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:23:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay-1.mail.demon.net (relay-1.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.140]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.7.1/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id FAA11567 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 05:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk ([194.70.221.1]) by relay-1.mail.demon.net id aa17918; 22 Dec 95 13:20 GMT Received: from PhilPC (kiss.demon.co.uk [158.152.97.57]) by wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA22340 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:20:02 GMT Message-Id: <199512221320.NAA22340@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Phil Taylor Organization: Lan Systems To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:13:45 +0000 Subject: iijppp dialing when I run tcsh ?????? Reply-to: phil@zipmail.co.uk Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On my PC at home I am running FreeBSD 2.1R and iijppp with auto-dial enabled. Everything works fine if I use sh/csh/bash but as soon as I run tcsh (which was my login shell) iijppp dials ! The shell will then only come up after a connection is established. I have tried setting a dfilter to deny icmp packets and although this stops it dialing the shell then takes ages to come up so it is obviously trying to send an icmp packet somewhere. I have looked at the source for tcsh (6.05.00) and I can't see anything but I wondered if it is trying to contact a non existant rlogin host to determine the term type ????? Anyone have any ideas as I much prefer tcsh to the rest. Cheers Phil /* Phil Taylor (phil@zipmail.co.uk) LAN Systems - LAN/WAN Specialists */ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 06:06:20 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA26465 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:06:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26460 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA25429; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:06:13 -0600 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:06 CST Received: by mars.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Fri, 22 Dec 95 08:06 CST Message-Id: Subject: Re: Second post ---Re: pnp isolation program? To: hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:06:00 -0600 (CST) From: "Lars Jonas Olsson" Cc: jonas@mcs.net, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512220423.UAA07319@rah.star-gate.com> from "Amancio Hasty Jr." at Dec 21, 95 08:23:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi Amancio, I have the "Intel Architecture Labs Software Developer CD" from September 1995. It contains Plug and Play Specifications and Toolkit Release 1.44. Does that sound interesting? If it does you should really subscribe to these CDs yourself, they are full with potentially interesting stuff (All Pentium manuals, NSP, VTune, etc). The subscription is free. I have a card to get the next CD, it should be sent to address below. I can also send the specs via email/ftp. Jonas The address is: IAL Mailing list administrator Intel Corporation JF3-204 5200 NE Elam Young Pky Hillsboro OR 97124-9977 The contents is: 3DR Version 2.0.13, Intel NSP Software Library Pre-release 2.0, VTune, Intel's Visual Tuning Environment Demo, Pentium Pro Processor performance demo, Recognition Primitives Library Pre-release 2.0, Plug and Play Spec- ifications and Toolkits Release 1.44, Smart Battery Specifications and Toolkit Release 1.0, Basic Linear Algebra Subroutines (BLAS, see our ports, does not come with assembly source) Library Release 1.0, Windows Sockets 2 revision 2.0.8, INdeo Video Technical White Papers & Utility Software, Pentium Processor User's Guide, Vol. 1 and 3, App. Notes, and CPU ID utilities, Optimizing Applications on the Pentium Processor Tutorial, Tool Interface Standars Specifications and Utilities, Other industry standard specfifications, Intel Technical Briefings. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 06:14:01 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA26797 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:14:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26789 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:13:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (from didier@localhost) by zapata.omnix.fr.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00778; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:03:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:03:33 +0100 (MET) From: didier@omnix.fr.org To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: disk to disk copy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk is it to do a disk to disk copy including the partition table and label on which device ? Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny | My computer is Microsoft Free... didier@omnix.fr.org | FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 06:14:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA26826 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:14:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.22.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26818 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id JAA07674; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:14:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:14:02 -0500 From: tsingle@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Singletary) Message-Id: <199512221414.JAA07674@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: semctl() portability issue and fix Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I inadvertently inserted the wrong version of semctl() in my previous version. What I'm actually using is: -begin-------------- #include #include #include #include int semctl(int semid, int semnum, int cmd, ...) { va_list ap; union semun fourth_arg; union semun *fourth_arg_ptr; va_start(ap,cmd); if (cmd == IPC_SET || cmd == IPC_STAT || cmd == GETALL || cmd == SETVAL || cmd == SETALL) { fourth_arg = va_arg(ap, union semun); } fourth_arg_ptr = &fourth_arg; va_end(ap); return (semsys(0, semid, semnum, cmd, fourth_arg_ptr)); } -end---------------- tim From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 07:08:11 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA28862 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA28855 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id CAA13356; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:07:04 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199512221507.CAA13356@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: iijppp dialing when I run tcsh ?????? To: phil@zipmail.co.uk Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:07:03 +1100 (EST) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512221320.NAA22340@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> from "Phil Taylor" at Dec 22, 95 01:13:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Phil Taylor writes: > On my PC at home I am running FreeBSD 2.1R and iijppp with auto-dial > enabled. Everything works fine if I use sh/csh/bash but as soon as I > run tcsh (which was my login shell) iijppp dials ! It's looking up the local hostname in the DNS .. :-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 07:49:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA01465 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (rocky.sri.MT.net [204.182.243.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA01458 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA05718; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:45:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:45:24 -0700 From: Nate Williams Message-Id: <199512221545.IAA05718@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: phil@zipmail.co.uk Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iijppp dialing when I run tcsh ?????? In-Reply-To: <199512221320.NAA22340@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> References: <199512221320.NAA22340@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On my PC at home I am running FreeBSD 2.1R and iijppp with auto-dial > enabled. Everything works fine if I use sh/csh/bash but as soon as I > run tcsh (which was my login shell) iijppp dials ! > > The shell will then only come up after a connection is established. That's because of a bug in older versions of tcsh which cause it to do a reverse DNS on the host. This is fixed in newer versions of tcsh, and the tcsh package on the CD and/or ftp site. Upgrade to a newer version and the problem will go away. Nate From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 08:46:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA05735 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from iron.octet.com (iron.octet.com [204.141.97.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA05728 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 08:46:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cosmos@localhost) by iron.octet.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02866; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:46:27 GMT Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:46:26 +0000 () From: Daniel Leeds To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: bug in 2.1 install?! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am having major difficulties installing 2.1 The problems center around the sysinstall utility. I successfuly installed 2.1 on a 500 meg ide drive as /dev/wd0a trying to add a second disk after install, sysinstall refuses to label/partition the disk. when you try to write the partitions out that you setup (/home and /usr2 for me) it complains that /dev/wd0a is read only and / already mounted. failed. i tried this both from the hard disk and from booting with a floppy same error. I then tried redoing the whole installation from scratch with both drives, same thing happens when writing partition labels. i am at a loss here. first drive is a samsung 560 meg ide, second is a western digital caviar 1.2 gig ide. both drives are recognized during the boot probe. daniel -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel Leeds Unix Admin Octet Media Beatnik -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 09:42:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA08612 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:42:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibp.ibp.fr (ibp.ibp.fr [132.227.60.30]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA08543 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 09:41:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from blaise.ibp.fr (blaise.ibp.fr [132.227.60.1]) by ibp.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with ESMTP id SAA14432 ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:41:00 +0100 Received: from (uucp@localhost) by blaise.ibp.fr (8.6.12/jtpda-5.0) with UUCP id SAA01732 ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:40:59 +0100 Received: (from roberto@localhost) by keltia.freenix.fr (8.7.3/keltia-uucp-2.7) id RAA03095; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:54:42 +0100 (MET) From: Ollivier Robert Message-Id: <199512221654.RAA03095@keltia.freenix.fr> Subject: Re: iijppp dialing when I run tcsh ?????? To: phil@zipmail.co.uk Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:54:42 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512221320.NAA22340@wbsmail.zipmail.co.uk> from "Phil Taylor" at Dec 22, 95 01:13:45 pm X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT ctm#1449 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk It seems that Phil Taylor said: > I have looked at the source for tcsh (6.05.00) and I can't see > anything but I wondered if it is trying to contact a non existant > rlogin host to determine the term type ????? > > Anyone have any ideas as I much prefer tcsh to the rest. Upgrade to 6.06 which doesn't have the problem. It is performing a DNS lookup on your hostname. Or compile your version without defining REMOTEHOST in config_f.h. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- The daemon is FREE! -=- roberto@keltia.frmug.fr.net FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 2.2-CURRENT #7: Mon Dec 18 00:50:47 MET 1995 From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 10:30:53 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id KAA11610 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:30:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA11605 Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:30:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512221830.KAA11605@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: Host localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: se@ZPR.Uni-Koeln.DE (Stefan Esser) cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, hm@altona.hamburg.com Subject: Re: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:19:43 +0100." <199512221319.AA29586@Sysiphos> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:30:50 -0800 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >The driver deals correctly with LUNs, and >you should be able to just increase the >MAX_LUN parameter. This should really be >controlled from the generic SCSI code, and >I have got ot admit, that I don't remember >why it is not implemented that way, currently. >(There is some extra RAM required per LUN, but >this should not be much of a problem ...) It is handled by the generic SCSI code via the rogue tables. I think the code in current defaults to only probing the first lun unless there is an entry for the device in the rogue tables, but it may be the other way around. >If somebody sends me such a drive, I'll make >sure it works! (Well, it's Christmas time :) > >Regards, STefan > >-- > Stefan Esser, Zentrum fuer Paralleles Rechnen Tel: +49 221 4706021 > Universitaet zu Koeln, Weyertal 80, 50931 Koeln FAX: +49 221 4705160 > ============================================================================= >= > http://www.zpr.uni-koeln.de/~se -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 11:57:18 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id LAA15424 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.22.16]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA15419 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 11:57:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743 by sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.35) id OAA09570; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:57:15 -0500 Received: by sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10601; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:57:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:57:13 -0500 From: tsingle@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Singletary) Message-Id: <199512221957.OAA10601@sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: /usr/include/sys/shm.h vs `man 2 shmget' Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In FreeBSD 2.1, `man 2 shmget' refers to SHM_R and SHM_W. But these names aren't defined anywhere. Instead, /usr/include/sys/ipc.h defines IPC_R and IPC_W. Checking other versions of unix I find: Solaris, SunOS, and HPUX define SHM_R and SHM_W in /usr/include/sys/shm.h They don't define IPC_R or IPC_W anywhere. OSF1 defines SHM_R and SHM_W in /usr/include/sys/shm.h and IPC_R and IPC_W in /usr/include/sys/ipc.h. Furthermore, OSF1's /usr/include/sys/shm.h defines `#define SHM_R IPC_R' and `#define SHM_W IPC_W'. For maximum portability I recommend the following patch to /usr/include/sys/shm.h: =begin============== *** shm.h-org Sun Oct 2 13:24:54 1994 --- shm.h Fri Dec 22 09:51:50 1995 *************** *** 44,49 **** --- 44,51 ---- #define SHM_RDONLY 010000 /* Attach read-only (else read-write) */ #define SHM_RND 020000 /* Round attach address to SHMLBA */ #define SHMLBA CLBYTES /* Segment low boundry address multiple */ + #define SHM_R IPC_R + #define SHM_W IPC_W struct shmid_ds { struct ipc_perm shm_perm; /* operation permission structure */ =end================ tim From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 12:50:55 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA17218 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:50:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (omega.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.51]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA17213 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 12:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordillo (oberon.physik.fu-berlin.de [130.133.3.126]) by omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA11938; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:47:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from graichen@localhost) by mordillo (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA01136; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 20:03:13 +0100 From: Thomas Graichen Message-Id: <199512221903.UAA01136@mordillo> Subject: Re: Problems with crash dumps not dumping To: jgreco@mei.com Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 20:03:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512211553.JAA05169@solaria.sol.net> from "Joe Greco" at Dec 21, 95 09:53:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk hasn't Joe Greco said ? ... > > I've been trying to catch a useful crash dump under 2.1.0R on my news > server. John Dyson had suggested that it would be helpful to see a crash > dump in order to debug some VM/mmap issues (? etc) or something or other, I > don't quite remember exactly what since it's been a few weeks. > > Anyways. I enabled the crash dump stuff, and when the machine panics with a > "panic: free vnode isn't" error, it appears to start the dump but then locks > with "dumping... XXXX" where XXXX is some fairly large number. The root > drive light and controller activity light are both on (NCR-810). I've seen > this happen several times now. I believe it worked correctly before the > dumps were enabled. > i have the same problem (last tested using 2.0.5 and a 2.1-SNAP) with ide - the dump works if i'm in text mode but not if i'm in X (it's a winner 2000 pci card) using the XF86_S3 server but it also works if i use the XF86_VGA16 server ??? - in the S3 case it simply hangs there for ever with the hd light on (IDE) t _______________________________________________________||___________________ __|| Perfection is reached, not when there is no __|| thomas graichen longer anything to add, but when there __|| freie universitaet berlin is no longer anything to take away __|| fachbereich physik __|| - Antoine de Saint-Exupery - __|| graichen@mail.physik.fu-berlin.de ___________________________||__________________graichen@FreeBSD.org_________ From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 13:22:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA18432 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gbdata.com (dial92.phoenix.net [199.3.234.127]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18406 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA18590 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:21:12 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199512222121.PAA18590@main.gbdata.com> Subject: SMP Motherboards To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:21:09 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, Does anyone here have an idea on what would be the cheapest SMP compatible motherboard? This board will only be for hacking on so a 486 based system would be just fine (I have axp 4 486DX-33 here). ISA and VLB is also fine. Thanks for any and all help, Gary Gary Clark II (N5VMF) gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 13:59:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA20777 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:59:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from isbalham (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20765 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:59:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id VAA03373; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:57:24 GMT Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:17:34 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:11:32 +0000 To: Lars Jonas Olsson , hasty@rah.star-gate.com (Amancio Hasty Jr.) From: rb@gid.co.uk (Bob Bishop) Subject: Re: Second post ---Re: pnp isolation program? Cc: jonas@mcs.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk At 8:06 am 22/12/95, Lars Jonas Olsson wrote: >Hi Amancio, > I have the "Intel Architecture Labs Software Developer CD" from >September 1995. It contains Plug and Play Specifications and >Toolkit Release 1.44. Does that sound interesting? If it does >you should really subscribe to these CDs yourself, [etc] FYI, it appears you can also subscribe via: http://www.intel.com/IAL/form/ialapp.html -- Bob Bishop (01734) 774017 international code +44 1734 rb@gid.co.uk fax (01734) 894254 between 0800 and 1800 UK From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 14:46:13 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA24741 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rage.dsw.com (rage.dsw.com [206.43.0.250]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24733 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from rage.dsw.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rage.dsw.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA04302 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 16:50:25 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 16:50:25 -0700 (MST) From: Pete Kruckenberg To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: How to add new SCSI drive? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I haven't gotten any help about this question on the USENET groups, so I'm hoping I can get some here. This seems to be a question that should be in a FAQ somewhere (but isn't), because FreeBSD is unlike any other (documented) OS I've seen in this respect. I need to add a new SCSI drive to my system. I need to know what I need to do as far as preparing the drive, formatting it, labeling it, etc. So far, I've low-level formatted it, and tried to disklabel it, but I just get an error (ioctl DIOCWDINFO: Operation not supported by device) whenever I try to save the disklabel. What am I missing? My configuration is: P75 w/ 96MB RAM, FreeBSD 2.0.5R, Adaptec 2940W with Barracuda 4GB SCSI-W drives on target 1 and target 2, and Quantux Gran Prix 4GB SCSI-2 on target 4 (SCSI-2 bus), booting off an 850MB IDE drive. Thanks for your help and suggestions. Pete Kruckenberg pete@dsw.com From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 15:28:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id PAA26349 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:28:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rmurphy.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (root@RMURPHY.SLIP.BCM.TMC.EDU [128.249.250.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26343 Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rich@localhost) by rmurphy.slip.bcm.tmc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02541; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:28:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:28:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199512222328.RAA02541@rmurphy.slip.bcm.tmc.edu> From: Rich Murphey To: jmb@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, dufault@hda.com, bde@zeta.org.au, hm@altona.hamburg.com, se@mi.uni-koeln.de In-reply-to: (jmb@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: NAKAMICHI cdrom changer Reply-to: rich@lamprey.utmb.edu Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm using the Nakamichi MBR-7 connected to an adaptek 1742. Julian E. suggested these chages. These are diffs v.s. the 2.1-current code. I still got a panic during this morning's sup which I'm still trying to debug. Rich diff -rub /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c ./scsiconf.c --- /sys/scsi/scsiconf.c Mon Oct 9 21:49:13 1995 +++ ./scsiconf.c Fri Dec 22 00:04:18 1995 @@ -276,6 +276,10 @@ "cd", SC_MORE_LUS }, { + T_READONLY, T_REMOV, "NRC", "MBR-7", "*", + "cd", SC_MORE_LUS + }, + { T_READONLY, T_REMOV, "CHINON", "CD-ROM CDS-535","*", "cd", SC_ONE_LU }, @@ -331,6 +335,10 @@ }, { T_READONLY, T_REMOV, "PIONEER", "CD-ROM DRM-602X" + ,"any", "cd", SC_MORE_LUS + }, + { + T_READONLY, T_REMOV, "NRC", "MBR-7" ,"any", "cd", SC_MORE_LUS }, { diff -rub /sys/scsi/cd.c ./cd.c --- /sys/scsi/cd.c Tue May 30 03:13:20 1995 +++ ./cd.c Fri Dec 22 00:02:51 1995 @@ -533,7 +533,7 @@ return; } cdqueues++; - if(cd->dkunit) { + if(cd->dkunit >= 0) { dk_xfer[cd->dkunit]++; dk_seek[cd->dkunit]++; /* don't know */ dk_wds[cd->dkunit] += bp->b_bcount >> 6; From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 16:02:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA27806 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 16:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from hummin.sol.net (hummin.sol.net [204.95.172.243]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27800 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 16:02:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by hummin.sol.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA00799 for hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:02:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 18:02:08 -0600 From: Charlie Root Message-Id: <199512230002.SAA00799@hummin.sol.net> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Unusual crash, 2.1R, news server, ASUS SP3G DX4/100 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sorry for sending this from a system account, but I don't have a lot of tools handy right now.... I drove down to the office and my news server unexpectedly rebooted during the drive down here. # dmesg [....] sd22(ahc1:2:0): Direct-Access 2047MB (4194058 512 byte sectors) changing root device to sd0a WARNING: / was not properly dismounted. uid 8 on /news/.4: out of inodes uid 8 on /news/.4: out of inodes kernel page directory invalid pdir=0x16de023, va=0xefbfe000 panic: invalid kernel page directory syncing disks... 34 34 29 18 7 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 giving up Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Rebooting... FreeBSD 2.1.0-951026-SNAP #1: Tue Nov 28 12:09:54 CST 1995 jgreco@hummin.sol.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/HUMMIN CPU: i486DX (486-class CPU) real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) avail memory = 46800896 (45704K bytes) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: .... etc What the heck was that??????? Could it be related somehow to the crashes I have been often seeing on this machine after "out of inodes" - it tends to panic with "panic: free vnode isn't".... Just trying to contribute a little debugging info, ... JG P.S. Merry Christmas!! From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 20:43:52 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA13494 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 20:43:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gbdata.com (dial22.phoenix.net [199.3.234.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA12486 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 20:42:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA20040 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 22:42:26 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199512230442.WAA20040@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: handbook in postscript To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 22:42:20 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: gclarkii@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I just got done reading some old mail and have not seen an anwser yet so here goes. This is the system I use to print the handbook. 1. Install LaTeX 2e (With TeX of course) 2. Install dvips 3. Copy linuxdoc.sty from /usr/share/sgml/FreeBSD/lib to your texmf/tex directory. 4. Put a FORMATS= latex in the handbook makefile. 5. Do a make 6. Do 'latex handbook.latex' 3 times in a row (You may want to move the latex file to another directory due to the excess files generated. 7. Do a dvips -o handbook.ps handbook.dvi 8. Print the ps file. Thats all there is to it!!! Note: You do not want to print the handbook out using groff. At last check things like TOC and page numbers will be missing...:( Gary Gary Clark II (N5VMF) gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 23:08:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA22806 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:08:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA22801 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:08:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA21554; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:04:06 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512230704.AAA21554@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: freebsd development To: Dujin.Ayitoro-1@tc.umn.edu (dujin ayitoro) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:04:06 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <30d766726a9a002@gold.tc.umn.edu> from "dujin ayitoro" at Dec 19, 95 07:36:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I am interested in being involved in the FreeBSD Project. Please send info. > Also. I would like to know if FreeBSD is available for the PowerPC. I have a "Motorolla Ultra 603" based box. This is a loaner from a company interested in a FreeBSD port. The port of the kernel itself is ~60% complete... I have a ~$220 charge by Arrow Electronics on my VISA for the PPCBug documentation I need to fix the console and native boot code (to get rid of AIX entirely), but so far no documentation. This board is the same board in the Motorolla PowerStack and the OEM "FirePower" systems. I also have an official developer ID from "Be, Inc." and email assurances from Gassee that porting information for their hardware (a dual processor 603 box) will be available. Jean Loius Gassee is their main guy. I can get a limited amount of hardware at a steep discount. Let me know if you are serious AND capable of helping on a port. You should have Intel hardware and room for full NetBSD sources in addition to the FreeBSD sources on your reference box before you consider requesting to participate. They are overcommitted on box sales already, so only people willing to drop ~$1700 or more on hardware need apply. We may not get all of the requested hardware. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 23:15:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA23102 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:15:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23097 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:15:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA21580; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:11:06 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512230711.AAA21580@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: Help with lkm's please To: pc012@svcc.seqeb.gov.au (pat collins) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:11:05 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "pat collins" at Dec 20, 95 01:27:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > I am writing an lkm device driver for a digital IO board. I have worked > out how to move bytes from the user space to the kernel space but not > vice-versa. Can anyone give me any clues on how I move data from the > kernel space to the user space. Do I use the uiomove() function, if so how. Are you using uio structures in all cases? If you are not required to, it would probably be simpler (and faster) to call copyin/copyout directly if you know the source/destination to be in user space and the destination/source to be in system space (if they are both in system space, use bcopy instead). Look at the uiomove source in /sys/kern/kern_subr.c. The basics for uiomove are: if( uio->uio_segflag == UIO_USERSPACE) { if( uio->uio_rw == UIO_READ) copy from kernel buffer to user space using "copyout" if( uio->uio_rw == UIO_WRITE) copy from user space to kernel buffer using "copyin" } Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 23:18:48 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA23222 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:18:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23217 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:18:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA21590; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:13:26 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512230713.AAA21590@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: FFS To: joe@ns.via.net (Joe McGuckin) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:13:25 -0700 (MST) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199512202121.NAA07253@ns.via.net> from "Joe McGuckin" at Dec 20, 95 01:21:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I was reading a paper about the lfs (log file system) and the author > mentioned that there was a followup version of FFS called EFS (I think). > > Does anyone know if these changes got rolled into FFS? Did you mean SFS? To the best of my knowledge, no they did not... that's encumbered code. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 23:44:51 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA23793 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from phaeton.artisoft.com (phaeton.Artisoft.COM [198.17.250.211]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA23787 Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (from terry@localhost) by phaeton.artisoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA21670; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:40:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199512230740.AAA21670@phaeton.artisoft.com> Subject: Re: SMP Motherboards To: gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:40:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199512222121.PAA18590@main.gbdata.com> from "Gary Clark II" at Dec 22, 95 03:21:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > Does anyone here have an idea on what would be the cheapest SMP compatible > motherboard? This board will only be for hacking on so a 486 based system > would be just fine (I have axp 4 486DX-33 here). ISA and VLB is also fine. Jack Vogel, who made patches to the 28 Oct 94 tree for SMP, has an ASUS dual P90 EISA/PCI. I've got an ASUS dual P90 ISA/PCI (my only intent was to hack SMP stuff, so I went budgo -- total system cost without monitor was in the $1990 range). If you do a 486, you should be aware that the SMP patches that Jack Vogel passed around definitely assume Pentiums. Further, theyy assum internal APIC's. Finally, they assume a BIOS memory area and an ID that is not the ID in the spec. So if you go hacking, be aware that the patches you can get your hands on right now are far from general. There is a nice problem between L1 cache proficiency and scheduling anonymity in the current code, since there is no way for a process to express a processor preference. This is both good and bad, since it trades extreme scheduler complexity for basically a stack hack and the lieklihood of increased overhead on process rescheduling, especially when a preeemption occurs because of a quantum expiration rather than a blocking event. If you are planning on hacking locore.s and mpcore.s code, then a 486 might be OK. Otherwise, you'll want to go for a P90, and then most likely an ASUS. Finally, if you want to run right now without some agregious hacks, you will need to sup a CVS tree and check out the code from 28 Oct 94 and apply Jack's patches, plus the mpasm.h that Jack forgot initially, and the small ordering hacks for the binary code #included in the mpcore.s file (it is generated from post-assembly of "mpboot"). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-hackers Fri Dec 22 23:52:22 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA24059 for hackers-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:52:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA24041 Fri, 22 Dec 1995 23:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA22017; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:26:28 +1030 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199512230756.SAA22017@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Cyclades 32-port card, cy/cyb drivers To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:26:27 +1030 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm trying to get one of these cards (Cyclom-32Y) up and working under either the cy or cyb drivers and 2.1R. Brian's web page advertises the fact that several sites are using this driver in a 'production' environment, but Brian is impossible to nail down to work on the problem. The 'cy' driver is not necessarily known to work with this card... If _anyone_ out there has one of these cards working, I'd love to hear from you; I don't want to bore the list to death just yet with gory details when I can't be sure that we're not doing something trivial and stupid. -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and (GSM mobile) 041-122-496 [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] "Who does BSD?" "We do Chucky, we do." [[ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 00:59:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id AAA26017 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (root@pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA25998 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 00:59:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from aida (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aida (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00756; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:15:17 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 0.4-alpha [p0] on FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 20:05:07 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: didier@aida.org Organization: My Own FreeBSD-2.1-STABLE Site From: Didier Derny To: David Hovemeyer Subject: RE: mmap and memory utilization Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, David Hovemeyer Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk On 16-Dec-95 David Hovemeyer wrote: > >Hmm, I just noticed the madvise(2) man page: is this what I need >to use? Maybe I could say MADV_DONTNEED to pages scanned past, >and MADV_WILLNEED to pages about to be accessed? > I uses MADV_SEQUENTIAL once just after having mapped the file. -- 12/18/95 20:05:07 Didier Derny | My computer is Microsoft Free... didier@aida.org | Private FreeBSD 2.1-STABLE site. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 01:34:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id BAA28627 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 01:34:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA28609 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 01:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id EAA02713; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 04:44:42 -0500 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199512230944.EAA02713@hda.com> Subject: Re: Help with lkm's please To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 04:44:42 -0500 (EST) Cc: pc012@svcc.seqeb.gov.au, hackers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199512230711.AAA21580@phaeton.artisoft.com> from "Terry Lambert" at Dec 23, 95 00:11:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > I am writing an lkm device driver for a digital IO board. I have worked > > out how to move bytes from the user space to the kernel space but not > > vice-versa. Can anyone give me any clues on how I move data from the > > kernel space to the user space. Do I use the uiomove() function, if so how. > > Are you using uio structures in all cases? If you are not required to, > it would probably be simpler (and faster) to call copyin/copyout directly > if you know the source/destination to be in user space and the > destination/source to be in system space (if they are both in system space, > use bcopy instead). > > Look at the uiomove source in /sys/kern/kern_subr.c. ... Or use a strategy function and go through physio. The labpc driver does digital I/O to and from the board's digital port. That part of the driver is just a quick hack that copies all the bytes directly to the port. Look at "digital_in_strategy" and "digital_out_strategy". For something interrupt driven look at ad_strategy. -- Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:20:24 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02130 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:20:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de (mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.250.102]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02122 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from pc-micha.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by mailserv.uni-tuebingen.de with SMTP (PP); Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:20:11 +0100 Received: from pc-micha.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de by pc-micha.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (8.7.3/1.34) id LAA00256; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:03:20 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:03:20 +0100 (MET) From: Micha Class Reply-To: Micha Class Subject: fbsd-current stability / sio-problem To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi Hackers, after all this discussion about stability of -current, I do have a real "Show-Stopper" here: Teh recent changes in sio.c that add support for some chips called 16650 make my ppp-access hanging. The problem is that my 16550-chips are detected as 16650, and the fifo-size ist set wrongly to 32 instead of 16 chars. The detection code looks like this: /* * Check for the Startech ST16C650 chip. * it has a shadow register under the com_iir, * which can only be accessed when cfcr == 0xff */ { u_char i, j; i = inb(iobase + com_iir); printf(" i: %0x,",i); outb(iobase + com_cfcr, 0xff); outb(iobase + com_iir, 0x0); outb(iobase + com_cfcr, CFCR_8BITS); j = inb(iobase + com_iir); printf(" j: %0x,",j); outb(iobase + com_iir, i); if (i != j) { printf(" 16550A"); } else { com->tx_fifo_size = 32; printf(" 16650"); ... The added printfs show 0xC1 for i and j on booting! I do have no infos about the 16650-chip, but this detection-code gets me into real trouble! (Btw. if I change the "com->tx_fifo_size = 32" to "com->tx_fifo_size = 16" everything works fine, that should be the prove that only the fifo-size is the Problem.) Micha ------------------------------------------------------------------------- michael class, hauptstr. 83, 72127 wankheim, frg E-Mail: michael.class@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Phone: +49 7071 29-7539 (work) +49 7071 38365 (private) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:22:42 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02228 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02214 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20610; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:22:23 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01335; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:22:23 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22642; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:27:12 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230927.KAA22642@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: disk to disk copy To: didier@omnix.fr.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:27:11 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "didier@omnix.fr.org" at Dec 21, 95 01:03:33 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As didier@omnix.fr.org wrote: > > > is it to do a disk to disk copy including the partition table and label It depends on the device node you're using. You can copy all, includ- ing even the master boot record (which _can_ be the start of the BSD disklabel as well, but isn't for most disks). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:22:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02237 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:22:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02216 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:22:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20633 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:22:33 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01344 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:22:32 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22623 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:25:28 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230925.KAA22623@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: device npx0 (was Re: your mail) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:25:28 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512220218.TAA03750@hemi.com> from "Ade Barkah" at Dec 21, 95 07:18:55 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Ade Barkah wrote: > > > Well, for one thing, the npx0 device is not optional, you _must_ put it > > back in. You don't have a choice on that. > > Maybe programs like config should check for non-optional devices > and warn the user if any are missing. Did anybody ever attempt to declare npx as `standard' instead of `optional' in sys/i386/conf/files.i386? -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:24:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02410 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:24:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02352 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20655; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:50 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01357; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:48 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22340; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:10:14 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230910.KAA22340@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: bug in 2.1 install?! To: cosmos@octet.com (Daniel Leeds) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:10:13 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Daniel Leeds" at Dec 22, 95 11:46:26 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk As Daniel Leeds wrote: > > I then tried redoing the whole installation from scratch with both > drives, same thing happens when writing partition labels. I think the W)rite menu entry in sysinstall's label editor is not very useful. Don't use it. At installation time, proceed with Q)uit in both, the partition and the label editor, and the C)ommit your changes to actually have them write labels etc., and install everything. After installation, sysinstall is not yet up to the task of installing an additional disk. You have to undergo the mess to prepare a disktab(5) entry for your disk, and disklabel(8) it manually. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:24:15 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02439 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:24:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02373 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20650; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:47 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01356; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:46 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA22196; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:58:39 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230858.JAA22196@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: /usr/include/sys/shm.h vs `man 2 shmget' To: tsingle@sunland.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Singletary) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:58:39 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512221957.OAA10601@sunward.gsfc.nasa.gov.gsfc743> from "Tim Singletary" at Dec 22, 95 02:57:13 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Tim Singletary wrote: > > In FreeBSD 2.1, `man 2 shmget' refers to SHM_R and SHM_W. But these > names aren't defined anywhere. Instead, /usr/include/sys/ipc.h > defines IPC_R and IPC_W. This has already been fixed in -current. I think, the definitions were also in the 2.1 (and earlier) shm.h, but they were bogusly protected by #ifdef KERNEL. Move them a few lines above, and you should be going. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:24:12 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02433 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:24:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02374 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:23:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20663; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:53 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01359; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:52 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22997; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:54:29 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230954.KAA22997@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: How to add new SCSI drive? To: pete@dsw.com (Pete Kruckenberg) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:54:29 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "Pete Kruckenberg" at Dec 22, 95 04:50:25 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Pete Kruckenberg wrote: > > I haven't gotten any help about this question on the USENET groups, so > I'm hoping I can get some here. This is hardly fair. Your question in Usenet dates back to Dec 20, this posting here has already been launched on Dec 22. Boy, remember that we are providing this service __for free__! Please, do read my Usenet reply... -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:24:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02447 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:24:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02358 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:23:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20659; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:51 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01358; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:51 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA22210; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:59:49 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230859.JAA22210@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: 2.1 news server crashes To: ghelmer@alpha.dsu.edu Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:59:49 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: from "=?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?=" at Dec 22, 95 02:34:45 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As =?KOI8-R?Q?=E1=CE=C4=D2=C5=CA_=FE=C5=D2=CE=CF=D7?= wrote: > > >DIRECTORY CORRUPTED I=7811 OWNER=news MODE=40775 > >SIZE=512 MTIME=Dec 20 00:31 1995 > >DIR=? > >SALVAGE? Y > > It seems that fsck not successful to salvage it. > Try to run it TWO times instead of one. If problem shows again, > simple clri inode. ...or try fsdb, the file system debugger. It's in /xperimnt in 2.1R. -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 02:24:10 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA02425 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA02375 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 02:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id LAA20668; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:54 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id LAA01360; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:23:54 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA22980; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:53:00 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512230953.KAA22980@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: User classes??? (was: BSD/OS 2.1 and BSDI information (fwd) To: stesin@elvisti.kiev.ua (Andrew V. Stesin) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:53:00 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512211704.TAA09971@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> from "Andrew V. Stesin" at Dec 21, 95 07:04:48 pm X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Andrew V. Stesin wrote: > > I'd want to attract a bit of attention to the following issue: > > : User classes > Can anyone explain, what does it _really_ mean? How is it done? > Is this a BSDI's own invention or there are some existing prototypes > of this feature? It seems to be the intention of the fathers of 4.4BSD to have this feature in the system (RTFM passwd(5)), the field in master.passwd is already reserved for it, but the actual implementation has been missing. I assume, due to an apparent lack of time. It would be interesting to know how BSD/OS does use this field, so somebody could make a free reimplementation. (I doubt that the creators of 4.4BSD are going to release it to the public, now that many of them are with BSDi.) -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 05:14:58 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA10227 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:14:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10222 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA23907; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:09:49 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:09:49 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512231309.AAA23907@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: didier@omnix.fr.org, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: disk to disk copy Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> is it to do a disk to disk copy including the partition table and label >It depends on the device node you're using. You can copy all, includ- >ing even the master boot record (which _can_ be the start of the BSD >disklabel as well, but isn't for most disks). Actually, overwriting valid MBR's, SecondaryBR's (inside extended partitions and disk labels should fail. It succeeds in some cases because of bugs: - write protection isn't implemented for MBR's and SBR's - write protection of labels is implemented but can be defeated by copying to the whole disk device (e.g. /dev/rsd0 instead of /dev/rsd0c, even when these devices contain the same sectors). The MBR can never be the start of a FreeBSD disk label, since FreeBSD labels are always in sector LABELSECTOR = 1. BSD labels for other BSD's may start be in sector 0. FreeBSD would not be able to find these. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 05:17:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA10293 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from time.cdrom.com (time.cdrom.com [192.216.222.226]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10288 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:17:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by time.cdrom.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA29622; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:16:20 -0800 To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) cc: cosmos@octet.com (Daniel Leeds), hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bug in 2.1 install?! In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Dec 1995 10:10:13 +0100." <199512230910.KAA22340@uriah.heep.sax.de> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:16:20 -0800 Message-ID: <29619.819724580@time.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > I think the W)rite menu entry in sysinstall's label editor is not very > useful. Don't use it. > > At installation time, proceed with Q)uit in both, the partition and > the label editor, and the C)ommit your changes to actually have them > write labels etc., and install everything. > > After installation, sysinstall is not yet up to the task of installing > an additional disk. You have to undergo the mess to prepare a Just to note that I'm not blind to the annoyance these two problems have caused, and I'm working on fixing them fairly shortly. I needed to make some enhancements to libdialog first, an those are mostly finished. Jordan From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 05:32:08 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA10516 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10511 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:32:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA24417; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:29:04 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:29:04 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512231329.AAA24417@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.freebsd.org, michael.class@zdv.uni-tuebingen.de Subject: Re: fbsd-current stability / sio-problem Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >Teh recent changes in sio.c that add support for some chips called >16650 make my ppp-access hanging. The problem is that my 16550-chips >... The buggy probe was disabled yesterday. > i = inb(iobase + com_iir); >printf(" i: %0x,",i); > outb(iobase + com_cfcr, 0xff); > outb(iobase + com_iir, 0x0); > outb(iobase + com_cfcr, CFCR_8BITS); > j = inb(iobase + com_iir); >printf(" j: %0x,",j); >... >The added printfs show 0xC1 for i and j on booting! On a real 16550, i should be 0xC1 and j should be 0x01. com_iir here should probably be called com_fifo. It's confusing to have several registers at the same address. Here the middle outb writes to another register at com_fifo for 16650s and to the standard com_fifo register for 16550s. Writing 0 should turn off the fifo for 16550s only, and the 0xC0 bits should be off when the fifo is off. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 05:42:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA10771 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA10766 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA24716; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:39:34 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:39:34 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512231339.AAA24716@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, j@uriah.heep.sax.de Subject: Re: device npx0 (was Re: your mail) Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk >> > Well, for one thing, the npx0 device is not optional, you _must_ put it >> > back in. You don't have a choice on that. >> >> Maybe programs like config should check for non-optional devices >> and warn the user if any are missing. The warning at link time is almost as good. All devices except possibly one of isa/eisa/pci are more or less optional, but there are many combinations that may fail mysteriously, e.g., if you remove sc and pcvt then the boot will appear to hang unless you have the console (sio0) attached. >Did anybody ever attempt to declare npx as `standard' instead of >`optional' in sys/i386/conf/files.i386? This might work on 486's and above, but would fail if the npx device is really necessary - the device wouldn't have an irq or an interrupt. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 05:55:02 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id FAA11020 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw (jdli@linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.235.252]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA11012 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 05:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jdli@localhost) by linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA08926 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:52:56 +0800 From: Chien-Ta Lee Message-Id: <199512231352.VAA08926@linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Subject: syscons driver To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:52:55 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi : Is there any plan to add mouse (cut & paste) support to syscons driver ? And anyone port Linux's svga-lib to FreeBSD ?! If it is ported, we might be able to port some Console Chinese Terminal Emulators from Linux to FreeBSD ....and of course, games..... :) Thanks. -- 李 建 達 (Adonis) 交大資工 Mail: jdli@csie.nctu.edu.tw From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 06:37:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA12204 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 06:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12197 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 06:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sa.erisoft.se (epls01.sa.erisoft.se [150.132.128.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id PAA10352 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:37:22 +0100 Received: from sws021.sa.erisoft.se by sa.erisoft.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-ERIS0.99) id AA24055; Sat, 23 Dec 95 15:37:21 +0100 From: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se (Mattias Gronlund) Received: by sws021.sa.erisoft.se (5.x/client-1.3) id AA04178; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:36:50 +0100 Message-Id: <9512231436.AA04178@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> Subject: Why XON/XOFF in /usr/sbin/ppp To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:36:49 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi! I have a question about why /usr/sbin/ppp in 2.1R have XON/XOFF enabled? What I can se in the manpage for ppp it says that I should use Hardware Handshake and when I try to connect to an Annex configured for dialback I get some line-noice when the other side dissconnects to dialback. One of these noice characters tend to be XOFF which make my FreeBSD computer wait for an XON which will newer arrive, as an result the ppp process hangs IO-wait so I can't kill it! But after disabling XON/XOFF in /usr/sbin/ppp it works just like a charm! /Mattias From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 06:57:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id GAA12831 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 06:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate.ericsson.se (mailgate.ericsson.se [130.100.2.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA12825 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 06:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sa.erisoft.se (epls01.sa.erisoft.se [150.132.128.1]) by mailgate.ericsson.se (8.6.11/1.0) with SMTP id PAA10709 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:57:22 +0100 Received: from sws021.sa.erisoft.se by sa.erisoft.se (4.1/SMI-4.1-ERIS0.99) id AA24484; Sat, 23 Dec 95 15:57:21 +0100 From: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se (Mattias Gronlund) Received: by sws021.sa.erisoft.se (5.x/client-1.3) id AA04185; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:56:50 +0100 Message-Id: <9512231456.AA04185@sws021.sa.erisoft.se> Subject: iostat and msps To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:56:49 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi! I have been trying to use iostat to check how busy a my disks are, but the scsi-disk whant give me a value for msps. After lookung in the source I found that the sd device didn't implement dk_busy flag. After that I did a simple implementation of db_busy I found that iostat used dk_wpms to calculate msps but dk_wpms is a constant, why is that?? So my question is, why try to calculate msps from a constat that what I guess seldom have a value even near the corrspondign value for the drive?? wouldn't it be better just to give a value that says how many percent of the time the drive where busy? An other question that arise when I implemented dk_busy for the sd driver was what happen i I have more disks than DK_NDRIVE drives? shouldn't the dk_xxx variabels be better to have dynamic? /Mattias PS. A just have to thank for a wonderfull OS, thanks all who have contributed to this project! DS. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 07:47:04 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id HAA15441 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 07:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA15431 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 07:46:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA28188; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:45:37 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:45:37 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512231545.CAA28188@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why XON/XOFF in /usr/sbin/ppp Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have a question about why /usr/sbin/ppp in 2.1R have XON/XOFF enabled? >What I can se in the manpage for ppp it says that I should use Hardware >Handshake and when I try to connect to an Annex configured for dialback >I get some line-noice when the other side dissconnects to dialback. > One of these noice characters tend to be XOFF which make my FreeBSD >computer wait for an XON which will newer arrive, as an result the ppp >process hangs IO-wait so I can't kill it! But after disabling XON/XOFF >in /usr/sbin/ppp it works just like a charm! I think ppp sets IXON because it wants to be in a sort of terminal mode. I think ppp sets IXOFF because ppp is buggy. I think the hang is because the kernel (tty.c) is buggy. ppp switches off IXON and IXOFF when it enters packet mode but the kernel doesn't clear the associated flags or attempt to send a START character. This problem is even worse for the kernel-mode ppp and slip. IXOFF is probably handled OK as a side effect of flushing the buffer, but the flag associated with IXON (TS_TTSTOP) isn't cleared, and it is only cleared upon receipt of a START character (or any character if IXANY is set) in the standard line discipline, so it is never cleared in nonstandard line disciplines. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 08:38:36 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id IAA18296 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 08:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zappa.cs.uncc.edu (zappa.cs.uncc.edu [152.15.35.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18291 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 08:38:28 -0800 (PST) From: jlrobins@zappa.cs.uncc.edu Received: by zappa.cs.uncc.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13660; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:29:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9512231629.AA13660@zappa.cs.uncc.edu> Subject: More info on FreeBSD + AFS To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 11:29:24 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Happy holidays all! In my efforts to get FreeBSD working side by side with some more traditional (read expensive) workstations at UNC-Charlotte, I've made some good progress in integrating the boxes with the existing AFS infrastructure. It may be a god-awful hack, but it gets them in there seemingly transparent to the end user. I've built a few AFS->NFS gateway boxes out of some sparc 2's (this is as simple as starting up afsd with an additional parameter), NFS exporting their /afs dirs, and then having the FreeBSD boxes mount their /afs. Then some shell script transparency to simulate the 'tokens', 'fs', and 'klog' commands. This works well enough for the time being. Does anyone have a good method for transferring the user's password from the BSD box to the translator for klog purposes with minimul exposure without too much ugliness? Would this be a good task for ssh? Anyway -- though that this may be a stop-gap method for some others out there. James James Robinson Phone: (704) 547-4876 Department of Computer Science FAX: (704) 547-3516 UNC Charlotte email: jlrobins@uncc.edu Charlotte, NC 28223-0001 System Administrator From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 09:06:33 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA20069 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:06:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA19983 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with ESMTP id SAA26203 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:05:43 +0100 Received: by sax.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id SAA04097 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:05:42 +0100 Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA24279 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:11:51 +0100 From: J Wunsch Message-Id: <199512231511.QAA24279@uriah.heep.sax.de> Subject: Re: disk to disk copy To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD hackers) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:11:50 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) In-Reply-To: <199512231309.AAA23907@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Dec 24, 95 00:09:49 am X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk As Bruce Evans wrote: > The MBR can never be the start of a FreeBSD disk label, since FreeBSD > labels are always in sector LABELSECTOR = 1. BSD labels for other > BSD's may start be in sector 0. FreeBSD would not be able to find > these. Ok, i meant ``label & bootstrap'', whereas the label itself is the second sector (out of 15). -- cheers, J"org joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de -- http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ -- NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 09:21:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id JAA22130 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA22123 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 09:21:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA30318; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 04:18:57 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 04:18:57 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512231718.EAA30318@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: Mattias.Gronlund@sa.erisoft.se, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iostat and msps Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have been trying to use iostat to check how busy a my disks are, but >the scsi-disk whant give me a value for msps. After lookung in the >source I found that the sd device didn't implement dk_busy flag. Right, wd is the only driver that implements it in FreeBSD-current. >After that I did a simple implementation of db_busy I found that >iostat used dk_wpms to calculate msps but dk_wpms is a constant, why >is that?? The correct value isn't readily available, and the simple calculations for calculating msps don't work very well with intelligent drives, so not much effort should be spent to find the correct value. 10MB/sec might be a better constant value than 4MB/sec for current drives. >So my question is, why try to calculate msps from a constat that what >I guess seldom have a value even near the corrspondign value for the >drive?? wouldn't it be better just to give a value that says how many >percent of the time the drive where busy? The current method does measure something dynamic. The transfer rate usually only depends on the drive. The total time busy can be measured fairly accurately. It's the number of seeks that can't be measured. The driver has no way of knowing which seeks are physical because it doesn't know what the drive is doing. Some seeks might be no-ops because all the relevant data is cached. Other seeks might be no-ops because the drive reorders i/o's. >An other question that arise when I implemented dk_busy for the sd >driver was what happen i I have more disks than DK_NDRIVE drives? >shouldn't the dk_xxx variabels be better to have dynamic? Lots of things would break even if DK_NDRIVE only increased. systat output wouldn't fit in 80 columns... Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 12:06:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28177 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:06:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28171 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA10304 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:04:43 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199512232004.VAA10304@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: How to write in physical memory ? To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:04:42 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, what is the simplest way for a user process to access a portion of the physical memory on a system ? More specifically, I would like to peek/poke into the video memory of my S3 card. XF86_S3 says 'Local bus LAW is 0xF3000000' , I assume this is the physical address of the frame buffer (my ultimate goal would be to have the meteor driver dump directly into video memory through the PCI bus). Thanks Luigi ==================================================================== Luigi Rizzo Dip. di Ingegneria dell'Informazione email: luigi@iet.unipi.it Universita' di Pisa tel: +39-50-568533 via Diotisalvi 2, 56126 PISA (Italy) fax: +39-50-568522 http://www.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/ ==================================================================== From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 12:16:07 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28482 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.34.47]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28477 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmacd@localhost) by paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA20992 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:16:01 -0800 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:16:01 -0800 From: Josh MacDonald Message-Id: <199512232016.MAA20992@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: gcc 2.7.1 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I know I brought this up a while ago about when gcc(and especially g++) 2.7.1 are going to be incorperated into the source tree. Last time I asked it seemed like no one really cared, like gcc 2.6.3 is good enough, well I guess a lot of you aren't using c++, because g++ has so many bugs, to the point of being unusable almost. consider: template class test { public: test() { if(b) (void)0; } }; main() { test t; } test.cc: In method `test<1>::test()': test.cc:1: Internal compiler error. test.cc:1: Please submit a full bug report to `bug-g++@prep.ai.mit.edu'. I was able to build everything, but it seems like GNU isn't really doing a very good keeping the sources portable to FreeBSD. There were places I had to add (defined __FreeBSD__) where they left us out in the include files to make stdarg.h be compatible. Also the default FreeBSD configuration file says our assembler supports the .weak macro, so thinks it can generate those instructions. This has to be disabled in the configuration file by undefining ASM_WEAKEN_LABEL in config/i386/FreeBSD.h. I wonder why it was there in the first place. libg++ compiles. I can't build shared libraries. the ld man page says we have a -Ur flag like the current GNU linker but its not really supported. I wonder how that happened. I don't think its too big a deal now, I have it working, but I think that it gives a bad name to FreeBSD, that new versions of gcc which come out are not least ported in reasonable time. For someone developing c++ applications its a big deal. So I ask, what prevents gcc 2.7.x from being imported into the source tree? I know of no bugs which it has that 2.6.3 didn't. -josh From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 12:20:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28619 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:20:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nightflight.com (nightflight.com [205.162.141.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28594 Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:20:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.nightflight (laptop [205.162.141.3]) by nightflight.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00354; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:23:12 -0800 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:23:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199512232023.MAA00354@nightflight.com> X-Sender: gcrutchr@nightflight.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: Gary Crutcher Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just installed a 2nd SCSI drive. A 2.1GB conner. Having read many of the newsgroups info about adding a second drive and reading amilfrom this listserv, I have partitioned the drive, labeled it, but cannot get the newfs command to work correectly - I get 'not a block device' error. I used sysinstall to do the partitioning and disklabeling. Now, not begin a UNIX person, but I do get by on my own, could someone elighten me on how to use the newfs cmd to finish this process, and secondly how and where do I put the entries for this drive so it will mount on boot. Thanks, Gary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary Crutcher email: gcrutchr@nightflight.com Webmaster URL: http://www.nightflight.com 'Flights throughout the Internet' voice: 619-631-0666 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 12:35:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA29126 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ra.dkuug.dk (ra.dkuug.dk [193.88.44.193]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29121 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 12:35:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by ra.dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA22909; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:24:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199512232024.VAA22909@ra.dkuug.dk> Subject: Re: syscons driver To: jdli@linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw (Chien-Ta Lee) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:24:34 +0100 (MET) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199512231352.VAA08926@linux.csie.nctu.edu.tw> from "Chien-Ta Lee" at Dec 23, 95 09:52:55 pm From: sos@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: sos@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk In reply to Chien-Ta Lee who wrote: > > > Hi : > > Is there any plan to add mouse (cut & paste) support to syscons > driver ? This is one of the additions I'm currently working on... > And anyone port Linux's svga-lib to FreeBSD ?! If it is ported, > we might be able to port some Console Chinese Terminal Emulators > from Linux to FreeBSD ....and of course, games..... :) Hmm, I've once ported svgalib to FreeBSD (long ago), but I wasn't impressed with it. I think its just too limited in functionality regarding support of graphics chipsets (and I see no way this could be improved easily). If however you want to do games, syscons allready allows to set up std VGA modes (320x200x256) used by most games. I will however release a graphics capable library based somewhat on the libdgl that I did some years ago, but with a totally different goal (more on that later, there is still too much work to be done on that one). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Soren Schmidt (sos@FreeBSD.org) FreeBSD Core Team So much code to hack -- so little time. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 13:03:29 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id NAA29806 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 13:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from sponsor.octet.com (sponsor.octet.com [204.141.97.15]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29801 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 13:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from cosmos@localhost) by sponsor.octet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA03464 for hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:55:33 GMT From: Daniel Leeds Message-Id: <199512231555.PAA03464@sponsor.octet.com> Subject: motif 2.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 15:55:33 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8a] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk has anyone successfuly built Motif 2.0 on FreeeBSD 2.1 yet?? im curious whether or not anyone has tried it and what their experiences were. daniel -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel Leeds Unix Admin Octet Media Beatnik -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 16:27:34 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06553 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:27:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (Fieber-John.campusview.indiana.edu [149.159.1.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06548 Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:27:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jfieber@localhost) by fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA06067; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:28 -0500 (EST) From: John Fieber X-Sender: jfieber@fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu To: gclarkii@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: handbook in postscript In-Reply-To: <199512230442.WAA20040@main.gbdata.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 22 Dec 1995, Gary Clark II wrote: > 4. Put a FORMATS= latex in the handbook makefile. > 5. Do a make you can combine these by: make FORMATS=latex which leaves the makefile intact. -john == jfieber@indiana.edu =========================================== == http://fieber-john.campusview.indiana.edu/~jfieber ============ From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 16:31:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id QAA06727 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:31:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gbdata.com (dial22.phoenix.net [199.3.234.57]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06692 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:30:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA23720 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:30:21 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199512240030.SAA23720@main.gbdata.com> Subject: MMAP with MAP_FIXED To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:30:19 -0600 (CST) Reply-To: gclarkii@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Can anyone give me an example of using mmap with MAP_FIXED? Or maybe just the macro that will put my address on a page bondary. Gary Gary Clark II (N5VMF) gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 17:16:09 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA08356 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from insanus.matematik.su.se (insanus.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08351 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (prudens.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.5]) by insanus.matematik.su.se (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA26645 for ; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:16:00 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199512240116.CAA26645@insanus.matematik.su.se> X-Address: Department of Mathematics, Stockholm University S-106 91 Stockholm SWEDEN X-Phone: int+46 8 162000 X-Fax: int+46 8 6126717 X-Url: http://www.matematik.su.se To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Pentium bcopy Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:15:58 +0100 From: Torbjorn Granlund Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I sent you patches to improve the support.s bcopy a few months ago. I have not heard anything back (sic). Maybe I should just give up, and use some other operating system, where bug reports and contributions from external people are considered? Well, I won't give up just yet! ;-) Now, that is a diplomatic way of starting a message... This time I want to help improving the bcopy/memcpy/memmove functions for the Pentium (and 486). Here is a skeleton bcopy/memcpy that runs about 5 times faster than your current implementation on a Pentium. This bcopy handles up to about 350 MB/s on a Pentium 133, compared to the current 70 MB/s. The reason that this is so much faster is that it uses the dual-ported cache is a near-optimal way. Your code seems to rely on rep+movsl, which is much slower. Well, I haven't bothered to integrate this into your infrastructure since that might be a waste of my time, if you just keep ignoring my messages. If you are interested in this optimization, I volunteer to do the rest of the work. Note that bzero can be sped up in the same way. I have a feeling that bcopy/bzero are used now and then by the VM system... /* Pentium bcopy */ .text .align 4 .globl _copy _copy: pushl %edi pushl %esi movl 12(%esp),%edi /* destination pointer */ movl 16(%esp),%esi /* source pointer */ movl 20(%esp),%ecx /* size (in 32-bit words) */ shrl $3,%ecx /* count for unrolled loop */ jz Lend /* if zero, skip unrolled loop */ movl (%edi),%eax /* Fetch destination cache line */ .align 2,0x90 /* supply 0x90 for broken assemblers */ Loop: movl 28(%edi),%eax /* allocate cache line for destination */ nop /* we want these two insn to pair! */ movl (%esi),%eax /* read words pairwise */ movl 4(%esi),%edx movl %eax,(%edi) /* store words pairwise */ movl %edx,4(%edi) movl 8(%esi),%eax movl 12(%esi),%edx movl %eax,8(%edi) movl %edx,12(%edi) movl 16(%esi),%eax movl 20(%esi),%edx movl %eax,16(%edi) movl %edx,20(%edi) movl 24(%esi),%eax movl 28(%esi),%edx movl %eax,24(%edi) movl %edx,28(%edi) addl $32,%esi /* update source pointer */ addl $32,%edi /* update destnation pointer */ decl %ecx /* decr loop count */ jnz Loop /* Copy last 0-7 words */ Lend: movl 20(%esp),%ecx andl $7,%ecx cld rep movsl popl %esi popl %edi ret From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 17:56:46 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA10998 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:56:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from rah.star-gate.com (rah.star-gate.com [204.188.121.18]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA10993 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost.v-site.net (localhost.v-site.net [127.0.0.1]) by rah.star-gate.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA03248; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:56:23 -0800 Message-Id: <199512240156.RAA03248@rah.star-gate.com> X-Authentication-Warning: rah.star-gate.com: Host localhost.v-site.net didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Torbjorn Granlund cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:15:58 +0100." <199512240116.CAA26645@insanus.matematik.su.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:56:22 -0800 From: "Amancio Hasty Jr." Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk This looks cool if it works 8) And I sure like hell am going to use the routine 8) A few months ago , I posted an alternative to increase the performance of bcopy and it got ignored... bcopy can also be useful for X. Long, long time ago someone did a hardware profile of the system and found that we spend a lot of time copy things around during "normal" system usage. Tnks!!! Amancio >>> Torbjorn Granlund said: > I sent you patches to improve the support.s bcopy a few months ago. I have > not heard anything back (sic). Maybe I should just give up, and use some > other operating system, where bug reports and contributions from external > people are considered? Well, I won't give up just yet! ;-) > > Now, that is a diplomatic way of starting a message... > > This time I want to help improving the bcopy/memcpy/memmove functions for > the Pentium (and 486). Here is a skeleton bcopy/memcpy that runs about 5 > times faster than your current implementation on a Pentium. This bcopy > handles up to about 350 MB/s on a Pentium 133, compared to the current 70 > MB/s. > > The reason that this is so much faster is that it uses the dual-ported cache > is a near-optimal way. Your code seems to rely on rep+movsl, which is much > slower. > > Well, I haven't bothered to integrate this into your infrastructure since > that might be a waste of my time, if you just keep ignoring my messages. If > you are interested in this optimization, I volunteer to do the rest of the > work. > > Note that bzero can be sped up in the same way. I have a feeling that > bcopy/bzero are used now and then by the VM system... > > /* Pentium bcopy */ > .text > .align 4 > .globl _copy > _copy: pushl %edi > pushl %esi > > movl 12(%esp),%edi /* destination pointer */ > movl 16(%esp),%esi /* source pointer */ > movl 20(%esp),%ecx /* size (in 32-bit words) */ > > shrl $3,%ecx /* count for unrolled loop */ > jz Lend /* if zero, skip unrolled loop */ > > movl (%edi),%eax /* Fetch destination cache line */ > > .align 2,0x90 /* supply 0x90 for broken assemblers */ > Loop: movl 28(%edi),%eax /* allocate cache line for destination */ > nop /* we want these two insn to pair! */ > > movl (%esi),%eax /* read words pairwise */ > movl 4(%esi),%edx > movl %eax,(%edi) /* store words pairwise */ > movl %edx,4(%edi) > > movl 8(%esi),%eax > movl 12(%esi),%edx > movl %eax,8(%edi) > movl %edx,12(%edi) > > movl 16(%esi),%eax > movl 20(%esi),%edx > movl %eax,16(%edi) > movl %edx,20(%edi) > > movl 24(%esi),%eax > movl 28(%esi),%edx > movl %eax,24(%edi) > movl %edx,28(%edi) > > addl $32,%esi /* update source pointer */ > addl $32,%edi /* update destnation pointer */ > decl %ecx /* decr loop count */ > jnz Loop > > /* Copy last 0-7 words */ > Lend: movl 20(%esp),%ecx > andl $7,%ecx > cld > rep > movsl > > popl %esi > popl %edi > ret > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 17:58:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id RAA11067 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:58:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from asstdc.scgt.oz.au (root@asstdc.scgt.oz.au [202.14.234.65]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA11061 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from imb@localhost) by asstdc.scgt.oz.au (8.6.12/BSD4.4) id MAA09624; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:57:50 +1100 From: michael butler Message-Id: <199512240157.MAA09624@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy To: tege@matematik.su.se (Torbjorn Granlund) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:57:48 +1100 (EST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199512240116.CAA26645@insanus.matematik.su.se> from "Torbjorn Granlund" at Dec 24, 95 02:15:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24beta] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Torbjorn Granlund writes: > The reason that this is so much faster is that it uses the dual-ported > cache is a near-optimal way. Does this approach demonstrate any significant penalties with less sophisticated cache architectures, for example 386DX or non-pipelined ? michael From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 18:25:03 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id SAA12644 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from insanus.matematik.su.se (insanus.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.12]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12639 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 18:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (prudens.matematik.su.se [130.237.198.5]) by insanus.matematik.su.se (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA26871; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 03:24:44 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199512240224.DAA26871@insanus.matematik.su.se> X-Address: Department of Mathematics, Stockholm University S-106 91 Stockholm SWEDEN X-Phone: int+46 8 162000 X-Fax: int+46 8 6126717 X-Url: http://www.matematik.su.se To: michael butler cc: tege@matematik.su.se (Torbjorn Granlund), freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Dec 1995 12:57:48 +1100." <199512240157.MAA09624@asstdc.scgt.oz.au> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 03:24:42 +0100 From: Torbjorn Granlund Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > The reason that this is so much faster is that it uses the dual-ported > cache is a near-optimal way. Does this approach demonstrate any significant penalties with less sophisticated cache architectures, for example 386DX or non-pipelined ? The approach has a significant penalty on a 386 (3x slower). I suspect it might be a tad bit slower on a 486 with a write-through L1 cache. But the approach should help on 486 systems with write-back cache. I don't have any 486 systems, so I cannot tell for sure. Here is a simple test program that you can use for timing tests: #include #include unsigned long cputime () { struct rusage rus; getrusage (0, &rus); return rus.ru_utime.tv_sec * 1000 + rus.ru_utime.tv_usec / 1000; } #ifndef SIZE #define SIZE 1000 #endif main () { int s[SIZE], d[SIZE]; int i; long t0; t0 = cputime (); for (i = 0; i < 100000; i++) copy (d, s, SIZE); printf ("copy %ld\n", cputime () - t0); t0 = cputime (); for (i = 0; i < 100000; i++) memcpy (d, s, SIZE * sizeof (int)); printf ("memcpy %ld\n", cputime () - t0); exit (0); } From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 19:27:57 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA17163 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA17149 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA01405; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA00354; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512240327.TAA00354@corbin.Root.COM> To: Torbjorn Granlund cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Dec 95 02:15:58 +0100." <199512240116.CAA26645@insanus.matematik.su.se> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:27:52 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I sent you patches to improve the support.s bcopy a few months ago. I have >not heard anything back (sic). Maybe I should just give up, and use some >other operating system, where bug reports and contributions from external >people are considered? Well, I won't give up just yet! ;-) > >Now, that is a diplomatic way of starting a message... Umm, well, I never saw your message. I talked with a couple of other core members and they didn't see it either. Where did you send it? We had some problems with the mailing lists a few months ago that resulted in nearly all of the developers being dropped from several lists, including the 'bugs' list. We didn't even know it had happend for an embarrasingly large amount of time. Anyway, your optimization looks interesting and I do intend to try it out. Thanks for your efforts and please don't get too discouraged. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 19:57:27 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id TAA20214 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA20205 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:57:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA01443; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:57:20 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA00460; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:57:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512240357.TAA00460@corbin.Root.COM> To: Torbjorn Granlund cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Dec 95 19:27:52 PST." <199512240327.TAA00354@corbin.Root.COM> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 19:57:23 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, your optimization looks interesting and I do intend to try it out. >Thanks for your efforts and please don't get too discouraged. I need to do some more testing, but a quick test shows that for copying page-sized amounts, it's about 5% faster than bcopy on a 150Mhz P6 (Orion) and about 25% faster on a 90Mhz Pentium (Triton, PB cache). ...not 5 times faster, but definately an improvement. Thanks! -DG 150Mhz P6: [corbin:davidg] ./copytest copy 8617 bcopy 9069 17.686u 0.000s 0:17.70 99.8% 35+230k 0+0io 0pf+0w 90Mhz P5: [implode:davidg] ./copytest copy 22724 bcopy 28490 51.214u 0.015s 0:51.34 99.7% 35+232k 0+0io 0pf+0w From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 20:34:31 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA23790 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA23783 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01475; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:34:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA00489; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:34:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512240434.UAA00489@corbin.Root.COM> To: Torbjorn Granlund cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Dec 95 19:57:23 PST." <199512240357.TAA00460@corbin.Root.COM> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:34:18 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> Anyway, your optimization looks interesting and I do intend to try it out. >>Thanks for your efforts and please don't get too discouraged. > > I need to do some more testing, but a quick test shows that for copying >page-sized amounts, it's about 5% faster than bcopy on a 150Mhz P6 (Orion) >and about 25% faster on a 90Mhz Pentium (Triton, PB cache). > ...not 5 times faster, but definately an improvement. Thanks! Woops! ...that test was a bit too quick. Okay, so I was off by a factor of 12288 :-) (SIZE was 4096 in the test, which would have the copysize at 16K bytes). For 4096 bytes (1024 longwords): 150Mhz P6: [corbin:davidg] time ./copytest copy 1170 bcopy 1675 2.847u 0.007s 0:02.86 99.3% 37+204k 0+0io 0pf+0w 90Mhz P5: [implode:davidg] time ./copytest copy 1836 bcopy 5204 7.041u 0.007s 0:07.05 99.8% 36+205k 0+0io 0pf+0w So for the P6 it's about 41% faster, and for the P5 it's about 283% faster. The good numbers require that the thing being copied fits in the L1 cache, so it will be interesting to see how much it improves more 'real world' sorts of things (like paging performance and filesystem cache reads). Anyway, thanks again for the code. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 20:46:44 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id UAA25235 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM ([198.138.38.205]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA25083 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 20:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (from jmb@localhost) by Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM (8.6.12/8.6.9) id XAA23980; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:43:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" X-Sender: jmb@Aspen.Woc.Atinc.COM To: Torbjorn Granlund cc: michael butler , Torbjorn Granlund , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy 486DX-66 results In-Reply-To: <199512240224.DAA26871@insanus.matematik.su.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 24 Dec 1995, Torbjorn Granlund wrote: > > I don't have any 486 systems, so I cannot tell for sure. Here is a simple > test program that you can use for timing tests: here are results using 2.1.0-RELEASE, a 486dx-66 with an asus sp3g motherboard and write-back cache discipline. Aspen:[45] ./a.out copy 8259 memcpy 8582 the results vary with the number of times in succession that i run the program ;) Once Twice Thrice 4th 5th 6th 7th copy 8259 6730 6709 6708 6706 6736 6695 memcpy 8582 7363 7605 7491 6667 6863 7819 i had to change the comment sytle on several lines to satisfy gas "GNU assembler version 1.92.3, FreeBSD $Revision: 1.4 $" the original produced: copy.s.orig: Assembler messages: copy.s.orig:13: Warning: Missing operand value assumed absolute 0. copy.s.orig:13: Error: Relocation error. Absolute 0 assumed. copy.s.orig:13: Error: Ignoring junk 'zero' after expression copy.s.orig:13: Error: Unimplemented segment type 0 in parse_operand copy.s.orig:17: Warning: Missing operand value assumed absolute 0. copy.s.orig:17: Error: Relocation error. Absolute 0 assumed. copy.s.orig:17: Error: Bad Absolute Expression, absolute 0 assumed. copy.s.orig:17: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `0'. copy.s.orig:19: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `*'. copy.s.orig:20: Error: no such opcode prefix ('nop') copy.s.orig:24: Warning: Missing operand value assumed absolute 0. copy.s.orig:24: Error: Relocation error. Absolute 0 assumed. copy.s.orig:24: Error: Ignoring junk 'words pairwise*/' after expression copy.s.orig:24: Error: Unimplemented segment type 131080 in parse_operand here is the diff -c2 (just changed '/*' to '#' on lines 13, 17, 24) *** copy.s.orig Sat Dec 23 23:25:25 1995 --- copy.s Sat Dec 23 23:33:59 1995 *************** *** 11,26 **** shrl $3,%ecx /* count for unrolled loop */ ! jz Lend /* if zero, skip unrolled loop */ movl (%edi),%eax /* Fetch destination cache line */ ! .align 2,0x90 /* supply 0x90 for broken assemblers */ ! Loop: movl 28(%edi),%eax /* allocate cache line for destination ! */ ! nop /* we want these two insn to pair! */ movl (%esi),%eax /* read words pairwise */ movl 4(%esi),%edx ! movl %eax,(%edi) /* store words pairwise */ movl %edx,4(%edi) --- 11,25 ---- shrl $3,%ecx /* count for unrolled loop */ ! jz Lend # if zero, skip unrolled loop */ movl (%edi),%eax /* Fetch destination cache line */ ! .align 2,0x90 # supply 0x90 for broken assemblers */ ! Loop: movl 28(%edi),%eax /* allocate cache line for destination */ ! nop # we want these two insn to pair! */ movl (%esi),%eax /* read words pairwise */ movl 4(%esi),%edx ! movl %eax,(%edi) # store words pairwise */ movl %edx,4(%edi) Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG play go. ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life i am moving to a new job. PLEASE USE: jmb@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 21:34:32 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA00185 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:34:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from lisa.rur.com (G338.257.InterLink.NET [199.202.234.53]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00175 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from leo@localhost) by lisa.rur.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id AAA03527; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:34:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:34:22 -0500 (EST) From: Leo Papandreou To: David Greenman cc: Torbjorn Granlund , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy In-Reply-To: <199512240357.TAA00460@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sat, 23 Dec 1995, David Greenman wrote: > > Anyway, your optimization looks interesting and I do intend to try it out. > >Thanks for your efforts and please don't get too discouraged. > > I need to do some more testing, but a quick test shows that for copying > page-sized amounts, it's about 5% faster than bcopy on a 150Mhz P6 (Orion) > and about 25% faster on a 90Mhz Pentium (Triton, PB cache). > ...not 5 times faster, but definately an improvement. Thanks! > > -DG > > 150Mhz P6: > [corbin:davidg] ./copytest > copy 8617 > bcopy 9069 > 17.686u 0.000s 0:17.70 99.8% 35+230k 0+0io 0pf+0w > > 90Mhz P5: > [implode:davidg] ./copytest > copy 22724 > bcopy 28490 > 51.214u 0.015s 0:51.34 99.7% 35+232k 0+0io 0pf+0w > Oh great, a benchmark. You know everyone is going to try this. Here's my results on a P100 ASUS P54TP4, 2.0.5-RELEASE (still) size in ints 32 1024 2048 4096 8192 copy 75 1886 15820 35841 70672 memcpy 282 7741 15928 40631 81525 Seems like copy() is very much faster for smaller copies and merely faster for the larger ones. Nice. From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 21:41:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id VAA00625 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00613 Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA01534; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:41:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA00518; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:41:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512240541.VAA00518@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Torbjorn Granlund , michael butler , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy 486DX-66 results In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 23 Dec 95 23:43:35 EST." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 21:40:58 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >On Sun, 24 Dec 1995, Torbjorn Granlund wrote: >> >> I don't have any 486 systems, so I cannot tell for sure. Here is a simple >> test program that you can use for timing tests: > > here are results using 2.1.0-RELEASE, a 486dx-66 with an asus sp3g >motherboard and write-back cache discipline. > >Aspen:[45] ./a.out >copy 8259 >memcpy 8582 > > the results vary with the number of times in succession that i >run the program ;) > > Once Twice Thrice 4th 5th 6th 7th >copy 8259 6730 6709 6708 6706 6736 6695 >memcpy 8582 7363 7605 7491 6667 6863 7819 > > i had to change the comment sytle on several lines to satisfy gas >"GNU assembler version 1.92.3, FreeBSD $Revision: 1.4 $" You should have just used cc to assemble it - name the file copy.S and then use: cc -c copy.S cc -o copytest copytest.c copy.o This will run it through cpp. ...thanks for the results. -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 22:22:47 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA03941 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:22:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from main.gbdata.com (dial37.phoenix.net [199.3.234.72]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA03858 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by main.gbdata.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA01040; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:21:27 -0600 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199512240621.AAA01040@main.gbdata.com> Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy 486DX-66 results To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 00:21:25 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199512240541.VAA00518@corbin.Root.COM> from "David Greenman" at Dec 23, 95 09:40:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk David Greenman wrote: > > >On Sun, 24 Dec 1995, Torbjorn Granlund wrote: > >> > >> I don't have any 486 systems, so I cannot tell for sure. Here is a simple > >> test program that you can use for timing tests: > > > > here are results using 2.1.0-RELEASE, a 486dx-66 with an asus sp3g > >motherboard and write-back cache discipline. > > > >Aspen:[45] ./a.out > >copy 8259 > >memcpy 8582 > > > > You should have just used cc to assemble it - name the file copy.S and then > use: > > cc -c copy.S > cc -o copytest copytest.c copy.o > > This will run it through cpp. ...thanks for the results. > > -DG Hi, Here are my results on a 486DX4-100 8 meg in X not sure about cache. gcc -m486 -O2 -o testcopy testing.c copy.o main:gclarkii# time testcopy copy 10232 bcopy 2403 memcpy 9315 21.9u 0.0s 0:22.08 99.5% 5+183k 1+0io 0pf+0w My sources are using 1024 for SIZE and I just change copy for bcopy for the bcopy stats. It looks like copy is a big loss for me...:( Gary Gary Clark II (N5VMF) gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 22:27:17 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA04265 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:27:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA04258 Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:27:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.50]) by Root.COM (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA01577; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:27:13 -0800 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00623; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:27:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199512240627.WAA00623@corbin.Root.COM> To: gclarkii@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pentium bcopy 486DX-66 results In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 24 Dec 95 00:21:25 CST." <199512240621.AAA01040@main.gbdata.com> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:27:16 -0800 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Here are my results on a 486DX4-100 8 meg in X not sure about cache. > >gcc -m486 -O2 -o testcopy testing.c copy.o >main:gclarkii# time testcopy >copy 10232 >bcopy 2403 >memcpy 9315 >21.9u 0.0s 0:22.08 99.5% 5+183k 1+0io 0pf+0w > >My sources are using 1024 for SIZE and I just change copy for bcopy for the >bcopy stats. It looks like copy is a big loss for me...:( "copy" takes it's size in longwords and bcopy takes it in bytes. Did you multiply the size times sizeof(int)? -DG From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 22:43:43 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id WAA05489 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from godzilla.zeta.org.au (godzilla.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.19]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA05441 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 22:43:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bde@localhost) by godzilla.zeta.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA20042; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 17:40:26 +1100 Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 17:40:26 +1100 From: Bruce Evans Message-Id: <199512240640.RAA20042@godzilla.zeta.org.au> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, jmacd@paris.CS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: gcc 2.7.1 Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >So I ask, what prevents gcc 2.7.x from being imported into the source tree? >I know of no bugs which it has that 2.6.3 didn't. Lack of time and lack of urgency. Even if it was imported into -current now, it would have no effect on FreeBSD-2.1. Bruce From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 23:05:06 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA07326 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [199.166.238.138]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA07305 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: (from scrappy@localhost) by hub.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id CAA00364; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:04:26 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 02:04:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: mountd startup problem... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi... I'm currently running 2.1-STABLE as my nfs server, and upon rebooting, I'm getting: clnttcp_create: RPC: Program not registered When i try and run moutd. First thought I had was portmap, since that is where daemons acquire and register their port #'s, correct? So I kill'd and restarted that portmap, but mountd still gets same error... So I figure I'm missing something here... It was running before I rebooted...only change is a new kernel with a couple of mods to its conf (CHILD_MAX increased, USER_LDT added in and pseudo-device speaker added), so I don't think it has anything to do with that. Any suggestions on what I'm possibly missing? Oh...my nfsd's came up no problem, only mountd wouldn't run on boot-up. Thanks... Marc G. Fournier | POP Mail Telnet Acct DNS Hosting scrappy@hub.org | WWW Services Database Services | Knowledge, soon to be: | | Information and scrappy@ki.net | WWW: http://hub.org | Communications, Inc From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 23:38:05 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA10414 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de [137.226.31.2]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10403 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA07566 for freebsd-hackers@freefall.cdrom.com; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 08:40:01 +0100 Message-Id: <199512240740.IAA07566@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: A Good OS for BIND? (fwd) To: freebsd-hackers@freefall.FreeBSD.org (user alias) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 08:40:00 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Picked this message up from the bind list. Any takers to answer this? --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de Forwarded message: > From bind-users-request@vix.com Sat Dec 23 15:44:15 1995 > X-Btw: vix.com is also gw.home.vix.com and vixie.sf.ca.us > Date: Fri, 22 Dec 95 14:11:57 CST > From: Mike.Jenkins@ncts.navy.mil (Mike Jenkins) > Message-Id: <9512222011.AA24236@pegasus.ncts.navy.mil> > To: bind-users@vix.com > Subject: A Good OS for BIND? > Sender: > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: Mike.Jenkins@ncts.navy.mil (Mike Jenkins) > > With the SunOS 4.1.X limitations (file descriptors and VM system) > would one of the BSD 4.4 OS's (NetBSD, FreeBSD, BSD/OS) be a better > choice for running BIND? What other OS's would be a good choice? > > Mike > From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 23 23:55:39 1995 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA11457 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from cls.net (freeside.cls.de [192.129.50.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA11451 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 23:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.cls.net (Smail3.1.29.1) from allegro.lemis.de (192.109.197.134) with smtp id ; Sun, 24 Dec 95 07:55 GMT From: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-To: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) Received: (grog@localhost) by allegro.lemis.de (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA13974; Sun, 24 Dec 1995 08:52:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199512240752.IAA13974@allegro.lemis.de> Subject: Re: disk to disk copy To: bde@zeta.org.au (Bruce Evans) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 08:52:21 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) In-Reply-To: <199512231309.AAA23907@godzilla.zeta.org.au> from "Bruce Evans" at Dec 24, 95 00:09:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Bruce Evans writes: > >>> is it to do a disk to disk copy including the partition table and label > >> It depends on the device node you're using. You can copy all, includ- >> ing even the master boot record (which _can_ be the start of the BSD >> disklabel as well, but isn't for most disks). > > Actually, overwriting valid MBR's, SecondaryBR's (inside extended > partitions and disk labels should fail. It succeeds in some cases > because of bugs: > - write protection isn't implemented for MBR's and SBR's > - write protection of labels is implemented but can be defeated by > copying to the whole disk device (e.g. /dev/rsd0 instead of > /dev/rsd0c, even when these devices contain the same sectors). > > The MBR can never be the start of a FreeBSD disk label, since FreeBSD > labels are always in sector LABELSECTOR = 1. BSD labels for other > BSD's may start be in sector 0. FreeBSD would not be able to find > these. That's a matter of definition. If you're talking to a character device, anything should be allowed. I have a number of disk drives which I use for various systems at various times. To change systems, I copy the whole disk to tape and then a tape copy to disk. Under FreeBSD, this always fails if there is no valid BSD label on the disk. BSD/OS doesn't have this problem, so I do it with BSD/OS. Presumably the problem is that the disk driver relies on the disk label to know the size of the disk, although it could get the geometry from the BIOS, or, better, the disk itself. I think there's a basic philosophical flaw in trying to interpret the contents of a character device. Greg