From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 23 08:38:30 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CD21065672 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 940458FC0C for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id nBN8cNJT091013 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:24 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk nBN8cNJT091013 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1261557504; bh=l+7taof/cZ/kbJr+3pX1icE9giqY0d8q2+kHMxqDgpw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4B31D6F9.6040608@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2023=20Dec=202009=2008:38:17=20+0000|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|Organization:=20Infracaninophi le|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird=202.0.0.23=20(X11/20091129)|MIME-Vers ion:=201.0|To:=20freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20why =20BSDs=20got=20no=20love|References:=20<541b7a870912150733m4bc341 48j98790a6142d4521c@mail.gmail.com>=20<20091223032410.GA25393@comc ast.net>|In-Reply-To:=20<20091223032410.GA25393@comcast.net>|X-Eni gmail-Version:=200.95.6|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B=20mica lg=3Dpgp-sha256=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signature"= 3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig2CAA93472E216E91E48C3665"; b=xG6qhlQxeS3Dr+9H43KKJcXFBPdbQnuhU53jX5Jnx3O1afFVqkF+eoRAyNBqLgogp NZbf6/3gjhIA89HmKITyC3u5UKqw+7uzZgzumtaeXxXnw7BeuiNMqvEw3MbbDo/4Tf nUWgOKWPPt98CRkoDdmAavnwJwlwVAZj17TKgUwo= X-Authentication-Warning: happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host localhost [IPv6:::1] claimed to be happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Message-ID: <4B31D6F9.6040608@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:17 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <541b7a870912150733m4bc34148j98790a6142d4521c@mail.gmail.com> <20091223032410.GA25393@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <20091223032410.GA25393@comcast.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2CAA93472E216E91E48C3665" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.3 at happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: why BSDs got no love X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:38:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2CAA93472E216E91E48C3665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charlie Kester wrote: > On Tue 15 Dec 2009 at 07:33:49 PST Jan Husar wrote: >> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=3D1123&tag=3Dnl.e011 >=20 > Others have pointed out that PC-BSD meets the need expressed in this > article. >=20 > As for FreeBSD itself, the question must be asked: do we WANT to get > more love from people who judge an OS by whether or not it has a > graphical installer? Heh. It's almost worth implementing a graphical installer just to shut up the constant moaning. While I agree that it is a very basic error to judge by form and appearance rather than by substance, unfortunately much= of the rest of the world appears not to agree. As a project, by not having this sort of layer of gloss on what is likely= to be the very first thing a new user sees we run the risk of putting off= complete neophytes who have no other basis on which to judge the OS, and who could otherwise develop into the next generation of capable users. =20 At the risk of being challenged to produce code (Which, alas, I don't hav= e sufficient skill to do. Or sufficient time.) I'd design an installer as= a CLI program that reads in a fairly simple fixed script or language to do = the=20 installation work, and have separate Curses and/or X based programs to al= low users to create the installation script interactively. I think that woul= d fulfil just about everybodies' requirements, from the people that want a *shiny* graphical interface to people wanting to do automatic unattended installs over serial lines. Of course, this sort of project has been attempted before, and been a complete failure. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig2CAA93472E216E91E48C3665 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.13 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREIAAYFAksx1v8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIy9PwCgjls18IMLxP2m1RWX9mkP3biP daQAnR31UfctJ+mZPkwPNjEYGaxnACDu =Si7f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2CAA93472E216E91E48C3665--