From owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 10 05:35:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C8F5A8F; Sun, 10 May 2015 05:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from monday.kientzle.com (kientzle.com [142.254.26.11]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3244106F; Sun, 10 May 2015 05:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from root@localhost) by monday.kientzle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) id t4A5ZWkA026189; Sun, 10 May 2015 05:35:32 GMT (envelope-from tim@kientzle.com) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (192.168.1.65 [192.168.1.65]) by kientzle.com with SMTP id mi44gweyreaknr9mtvbnwv3mt2; Sun, 10 May 2015 05:35:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim@kientzle.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: RPi2 support... From: Tim Kientzle In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 22:35:31 -0700 Cc: Jordan Hubbard , freebsd-arm Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <338A7AFC-DBE0-4621-9FC3-89E0C990A86C@kientzle.com> References: <0FD2F2B4EF6E490B9DB6CEF1119ECB70@ad.peach.ne.jp> <2DD4D1CE-E05B-44D7-B396-92BB4CD1D98D@kientzle.com> To: Adrian Chadd X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 05:35:36 -0000 > On May 9, 2015, at 10:24 PM, Adrian Chadd wrote: > > Hi, > > I think Crochet will live on for a while. > > gjb didn't like how development wasn't freebsd-releng-friendly (but > really, which upstream vendor project is in all honesty) so he's > rolled a replacement that's just landed in head. Time will tell which > will work out better. > > Me, I'm completely ignoring /all of that/ because I'm fed up with > building things as root and having to do loopback mounts to build > things and loopback devices to create filesystems. My mips stuff does > everything 100% as a user, and it's actually really damned pleasant. > I'd love to see FreeBSD move to that model but I have a feeling it'll > be fighting against lazy developers who are used to having root > everywhere. I would love to see Crochet move to that model as well. But it will not be simple: Crochet aims to provide a lot of ways to customize the image and it will be a challenge to come up with clean ways to do all of that in a non-root fashion. (For example, I want to someday be able to install packages into the customized image.) Where are your scripts? Tim