From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 13 19:22:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEAF16A407 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byshenknet@byshenk.net) Received: from core.byshenk.net (core.byshenk.net [62.58.73.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785F343D64 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:22:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from byshenknet@byshenk.net) Received: from core.byshenk.net (localhost.aoes.com [127.0.0.1]) by core.byshenk.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kADJMdLC027964 for ; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:22:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from byshenknet@core.byshenk.net) Received: (from byshenknet@localhost) by core.byshenk.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id kADJMdJk027963 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:22:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from byshenknet) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:22:39 +0100 From: Greg Byshenk To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20061113192239.GA1092@core.byshenk.net> References: <200611131633.kADGXO8J073080@lurza.secnetix.de> <20061113171945.GA26567@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061113171945.GA26567@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.1.7 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on core.byshenk.net Cc: Subject: Re: Cruel and unusual problems with Proliant ML350 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:22:47 -0000 On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 09:19:45AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I'll agree with this (re: webservers not needing USB), except in > regards to one item: keyboards. > > More and more x86 PCs these days are expecting keyboards to be > USB-based. Yes, PS/2 ports are still present on most (but not all) > motherboards, but eventually that will be phased out. > > I like the idea of being able to go to my co-location facility and > plug in a USB keyboard to begin working on a server, and when > finished remove the keyboard and leave. Don't you really need to have a monitor, as well? I _have_ worked "blind" before, but I didn't enjoy it. I can imagine having a keyboard with me when wandering around, but wouldn't normally have a monitor. I had always thought that the preferred solution for this sort of case was to use a serial console. And what seems to be becoming common on servers is a BIOS that allows you to fully redirect to serial, including BIOS configuration. The servers that I have recently purchased have had a keyboard and monitor plugged into them _once_ -- for the first BIOS setup -- and then never again. -- greg byshenk - gbyshenk@byshenk.net - Leiden, NL