From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 1:35:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.196.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001A915017 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:35:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (IDENT:NxtLKiiyfbfgkAehz082zaYZfArhfADw@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by outmail.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10630; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:35:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp [160.12.42.1]) by zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (8.7.6+2.6Wbeta7/3.4W/zodiac-May96) with ESMTP id SAA23606; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:38:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199903140938.SAA23606@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@freebsd.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Mar 1999 02:46:22 PST." <32125.921321982@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <32125.921321982@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:38:17 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >It's a little close on the heels of 3.1, but there have been a >significant number of things found and fixed in 3.1 that I'm almost >itching for a 3.1.1 at this point. Failing that, and I think a point >release would be just a bit overkill anyway, we can do 3.2 after a >reasonable minimum interval period and that would be, IMO, May 1st at >the earliest. > >Comments? > >- Jordan While it's good to start planning for the next release now, I rather think May 1st is a bit too early. In order to roll out a release on that time frame, the -stable branch will enter code freeze sometime in late April, right? That will give us just over one month to merge bits and pieces from the -current branch and fix problems in the -stable branch. I wonder that would really give us a well tested, truly robust and stable release. The 3.1-RELEASE is only one month old and users are just starting to install it on their machines. We have had a bunch of initial problem/bug reports, and I expect more complaints/reports/suggestions will come in the next few weeks. We shall need a bit of time to sort these things out... I would suggest June 1st. Kazu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 6:11:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grizzly.fas.com (cc69528-a.mtpls1.sc.home.com [24.6.61.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2259B14D76 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:11:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) Received: by grizzly.fas.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.23 $/16.2) id AA048820666; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:11:06 -0500 Subject: boot blocks, and 3.0 -> 3.1 upgrade To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Stable Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 09:11:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Stan Brown" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1533 Message-Id: <19990314141126.2259B14D76@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i just installed 3.1 from the CD and cvsuped to current on one of my laptops. All went well. This inspires me to upgrade my work laptop. However I am concernde. This machine _must_ work. I can't take the risk of breaking it! It's set up a lttle stangely, and I would like to hear the _safest_ way to upgrade it. It is a triple boot machien, using a combination of booteasy, and NT boot loader. it's structired like this, on a 8G drive: Partition Size Type Usage ---------- ---- ---- ---- 1 2G FAT32 Win95 2 2G FreeBSD FreeBSD (3.0) curently) 3 2G FAT32 WinNT (4.0 + service pack 3) 4 1.5G FAT32 Common spae Upon power up, booteasy comesup and offers the following choices: F1 DOS F2 FreeBSD F3 DOS F4 DOS Only the first 2 work. Choosing the first one takes you to the NT Bootmanafer, which ofers 95, and NT. Now I would like to get this amchien to 3.-STABLE. So here is the questiomn, what is the _safest_ way to do thhis? I would prefer to avoid a reinstall, if possible. Thansk for the workds of wisdom, and advice on this. -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 6:44:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8A814FED for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 06:44:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.2/8.9.2/UCB) id QAA15014; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:42:38 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:42:38 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Mark Turpin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems with 2.2.8->3.1-stable Message-ID: <19990314164238.B10242@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Mark Turpin , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Mark Turpin on Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 01:20:05AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 01:20:05AM -0600, Mark Turpin wrote: > Trying to upgrade to 3.1-stable from 2.2.8-stable. > > Attached is the problem I'm coming up with. I started at: > >>> elf make world started on Sat Mar 13 23:44:17 CST 1999 > Right after I finished cvsup'ing the src's for 3.1-stable. > > Mark > yoonix@fidnet.com > 800.392.8070 x214 Use `upgrade' target instead of `world' to upgrade from 2.2.8. -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 7:18:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netrinsics.com (unknown [210.74.172.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AF5F14FA0 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 07:18:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robinson@netrinsics.com) Received: (from robinson@localhost) by netrinsics.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) id XAA01420 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:11:41 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from robinson) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:11:41 +0800 (CST) From: Michael Robinson Message-Id: <199903141511.XAA01420@netrinsics.com> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gnome installation Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've gotten a number of requests for this, so I'll just send it to the (wrong, mea culpa) list, so it can live in the archives for future reference. How to install Gnome on FreeBSD from CVS: First, make sure you have autoconf 2.13, automake 1.4, gmake (GNU make) 3.76.1, and gettext 0.10.35 installed (or later versions if available). Then install the Imlib prerequisite libraries (libjpeg, libpng, libtiff, and libgif) if they aren't already installed on your system (check http://www.labs.redhat.com/imlib for more info). Prepare a directory for gnome sources (e.g. /usr/src/local/gnome). Change to that directory, and run this command: % cvs -z 3 -d ':pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome' co \ glib imlib gtk+ ORBit gnome-libs gnome-core That will get you the basic Gnome stuff. I recommend browsing through http://cvs.gnome.org to find what other goodies you might want to get by the same method (I personally consider gnome-python indispensible, but that's just because I'm a Python bigot; the Enlightenment window manager is nice, too). Once you have the distributions installed, you update them with the command: % cvs -z 3 update -P -d glib imlib gtk+ ORBit gnome-libs gnome-core (In actual practice, I only update, compile and install one distribution at a time, though.) To build the distributions, you want something like this: % foreach dist (glib imlib gtk+ ORBit gnome-libs gnome-core) > (cd $dist; ./autogen.sh; gmake; gmake install) > end But you want to do it manually, because there's often little glitches (it is an active development tree, after all). The order is important, because each distribution depends on the ones before it. Also, many of the distributions have little test programs (but unfortunately in no standard presentation). I always check that those run ok before I run the "make install". If I get something that doesn't compile, or doesn't pass the tests, I just wait a day or two, update the distribution and try again. The Gnome tree is unbroken most of the time. -Michael Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 10:41:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1336814C93 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:41:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.1/8.8.8) id KAA08273; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:41:06 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda08271; Sun Mar 14 10:41:05 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA45516; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:41:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903141841.KAA45516@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdk45512; Sun Mar 14 10:40:49 1999 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cschuber To: "Robert Sowders" Cc: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr, Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syncing filesystems... giving up In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:23:42 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:40:49 -0800 From: Cy Schubert Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A patch for PR/10528 was committed last Thursday. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Open Systems Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Province of BC In message , "Robert Sowders" writes: > I also noticed this behavior after I moved /tmp to MFS, this is the line from > my fstab > > /dev/wd0s2b /tmp mfs rw,- > s=100000,nodev,noexec 0 0 > > after this I occassionally get a dirty buffers, or pages message then the sys > tem gives up on it > and reboots. > please excuse the formatting. > > >>> HERBELOT Thierry 3/10/99 12:27:06 AM >>> > Hello, > > One problem was the use of MFS (I had it for /tmp and had the same prob > with sync) > > I don't remember if this was fixed or not. > > TfH > > > Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > > > I've managed to convert a couple of systems to 3.1R. Both systems have > > SCSI controllers, one with 2940UW2, one SCSI hard disk, a SCSI CDROM > > drive, and 4mm external tape drive the other with a 1542CF, two SCSI > > hard disks (+ 2 IDE hard disks), SCSI CDROM drive, and a 4mm internal > > tape drive. In both cases I've noticed that when shutting the systems > > down (halt or reboot) I get "syncing filesystems... giving up" more > > frequently (about 75% of reboots) than under 2.x.x (2.0.5 - 2.2.8). > > Has anyone else noticed this? I haven't used 3.1R on IDE only systems > > (I have two other systems with only IDE peripherals, however these > > haven't been upgraded yet). One of the systems (the one with the > > 2940UW2) had been running with CAM patches installed on 2.2.6 through > > 2.2.8 with no problems. > > > > Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > > Open Systems Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca > > ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca > > Province of BC > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 10:45: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8091503E for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:45:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (postfix@myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id UAA17999; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:44:44 +0200 (EET) Received: by myhakas.matti.ee (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5492D3; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:44:44 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <19990314204444.A67104@matti.ee> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:44:44 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: grog@lemis.com Subject: 3.1-stable crash: is it Vinum or what..? Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello ! We plan to move some machines to 3.1-STABLE soon and use now-in-beta status Vinum for striping. The first shot was to install test machine and try the Vinum. Well, I can crash the test machine within 15 minutes doing make -j6 -DCLOBBER -DNOGAMES -DNOAOUT buildworld with MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX pointing to striped volume. I hooked up another machine for serial console and got traceback from DDB and dump also. Here's results using guidelines from man 4 vinum: BIOS basemem: 639K, extmem: 48128K (from 0xe801 call) Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE #0: Sun Mar 14 18:28:33 EET 1999 root@vokk.matti.ee:/usr/src/sys/compile/Vokk Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193300 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 300711627 Hz CPU: Pentium II/Xeon/Celeron (300.71-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x651 Stepping=1 Features=0x183f9ff> real memory = 50331648 (49152K bytes) avail memory = 46186496 (45104K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf02a0000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x03 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x03 on pci0.1.0 chip2: rev 0x02 on pci0.2.0 ide_pci0: rev 0x01 on pci0.2.1 chip3: rev 0x02 on pci0.2.3 fxp0: rev 0x05 int a irq 11 on pci0.14.0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:90:27:1c:f1:6d Probing for devices on PCI bus 1: vga0: rev 0x3a on pci1.0.0 Probing for PnP devices: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 irq 12 on isa psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A, console sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A pcm0 not found ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 3079MB (6306048 sectors), 6256 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc0: unit 1 (wd1): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd1: 2445MB (5008500 sectors), 5300 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 at 0x170-0x177 irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc1: unit 0 (wd2): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd2: 2445MB (5008500 sectors), 5300 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface changing root device to wd0s1a vinum: loaded vinum: reading configuration from /dev/wd2s1h vinum: updating configuration from /dev/wd1s1h rm: /dev/vinum/drive/drive1: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/drive/drive2: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/drive: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/plex/svol.p0: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/plex: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/sd/svol.p0.s0: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/sd/svol.p0.s1: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/sd: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/rsd/svol.p0.s0: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/rsd/svol.p0.s1: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/rsd: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol/svol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex/svol.p0: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex/svol.p0.sd/svol.p0.s0: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex/svol.p0.sd/svol.p0.s1: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex/svol.p0.sd: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/vol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/rvol/svol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/rvol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/control: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/svol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum/rsvol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/vinum: Read-only file system rm: /dev/rvinum/svol: Read-only file system rm: /dev/rvinum: Read-only file system Can't create /dev/vinum/control: File exists Can't create /dev/vinum/svol: File exists Can't create /dev/rvinum/svol: File exists Can't create /dev/vinum/rsvol: File exists Can't create /dev/vinum/vol/svol: File exists Can't create /dev/vinum/rvol/svol: File exists Can't create /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex: File exists Can't create /dev/vinum/vol/svol.plex/svol.p0: File exists Can't create /dev/vinfum/plex/svol.p0:f File exists Casn't create /dev/_vinum/vol/svol.pmlex/svol.p0.sd: oFile exists Canu't create /dev/vninum/vol/svol.pltex/svol.p0.sd/svfol.p0.s0: File esxists Can't cre:ate /dev/vinum/s d/svol.p0.s0: Fisle exists Can'tu create /dev/vinpum/rsd/svol.p0.se0: File exists rCan't create /debv/vinum/vol/svoll.plex/svol.p0.sdo/svol.p0.s1: Filce exists Can't kcreate /dev/vinu m/sd/svol.p0.s1:u File exists Capn't create /dev/dvinum/rsd/svol.pa0.s1: File existts ln: /dev/vinuem/drive/drive1: dFile exists ln: /dev/vinum/drivfe/drive2: File eoxists swapon: ardding /dev/wd0s1 b as swap devices swapon: addingo /dev/wd1s1b as fswap device swatpon: adding /dev /wd2s1b as swap udevice Automatipc reboot in progdress... /dev/rwad0s1a: FILESYSTEtM CLEAN; SKIPPINeG CHECKS 07613 free (229 lean, 1 frags, 13423 blocks, 0.2% fragmentation) /dev/rwd0s1e: FILESYSTEM CLEAN; SKIPPING CHECKS /dev/rwd0s1e: clean, 118525 free (69 frags, 14807 blocks, 0.1% fragmentation) /dev/rwd0s1f: FILESYSTEM CLEAN; SKIPPING CHECKS /dev/rwd0s1f: clean, 2418736 free (50240 frags, 296062 blocks, 1.8% fragmentation) ffs_mountfs: superblock updated for soft updates Doing initial network setup: hostname. lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 fxp0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 194.126.114.89 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 194.126.114.95 ether 00:90:27:1c:f1:6d media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UTP 10baseT/UTP add net default: gateway 194.126.114.81 Additional routing options:. routing daemons:. Mounting NFS file systems. clearing /tmp additional daemons: syslogd. checking for core dump...savecore: no core dump Doing additional network setup:. Starting final network daemons:. setting ELF ldconfig path: /usr/lib /usr/lib/compat /usr/local/lib setting a.out ldconfig path: /usr/lib/aout /usr/lib/compat/aout starting standard daemons: inetd cron. Initial rc.i386 initialization:. rc.i386 configuring syscons: keymap keyrate cursor font8x16 font8x14 font8x8 blank_time screensaver moused allscreens. Local package initialization:. Sun Mar 14 18:52:37 EET 1999 Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xdeadc0e6 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0a1b380 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4623bfc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4623c0c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 13402 (mkdir) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at 0xf0a1b380: movw 0x8(%edi),%ax db> trace _end(f0cdde40,0,f19353c8,f19353c8,f0cccc00) at 0xf0a1b380 _end(f19353c8,0,f19353c8,f4623c54,f0163832) at 0xf0a1b235 _end(f19353c8,f19353c8,f4623c60,f0162fb1,f4623c88) at 0xf0a1b00a spec_strategy(f4623c88,f4623c6c,f01c8ff5,f4623c88,f4623ca4) at spec_strategy+0x3e spec_vnoperate(f4623c88,f4623ca4,f01c89af,f4623c88,10010) at spec_vnoperate+0x15 ufs_vnoperatespec(f4623c88,10010,f19353c8,80000000,f0cccc00) at ufs_vnoperatespec+0x15 ufs_strategy(f4623cc8,f4623cd4,f0150547,f4623cc8,0) at ufs_strategy+0xd3 ufs_vnoperate(f4623cc8) at ufs_vnoperate+0x15 bwrite(f19353c8,f4623cec,f0154a89,f4623d20,f4623cf8) at bwrite+0xaf vop_stdbwrite(f4623d20,f4623cf8,f01c8fc5,f4623d20,f4623e68) at vop_stdbwrite+0xe vop_defaultop(f4623d20,f4623e68,f01c81f1,f4623d20,f4623e8c) at vop_defaultop+0x15 ufs_vnoperate(f4623d20,f4623e8c,f4623ef4,f4623f54,f0cdb800) at ufs_vnoperate+0x15 ufs_mkdir(f4623e8c,f4623f54,f015c71e,f4623e8c,f461ba40) at ufs_mkdir+0x385 ufs_vnoperate(f4623e8c,f461ba40,f022eac8,2,f022d640) at ufs_vnoperate+0x15 mkdir(f461ba40,f4623f84) at mkdir+0x192 syscall(27,27,12,1,efbfd934) at syscall+0x127 Xint0x80_syscall() at Xint0x80_syscall+0x2c db> panic panic: from debugger Debugger("panic") Stopped at 0xf0a1b380: movw 0x8(%edi),%ax db> c Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xdeadc0e6 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0a1b380 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4623bfc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4623c0c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 13402 (mkdir) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at 0xf0a1b380: movw 0x8(%edi),%ax db> c Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xdeadc0e6 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0a1b380 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4623bfc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4623c0c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 13402 (mkdir) interrupt mask = kernel: type 12 trap, code=0 Stopped at 0xf0a1b380: movw 0x8(%edi),%ax db> panic panic: from debugger dumping to dev 20001, offset 32768 dump 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 succeeded Automatic reboot in 30 seconds - press a key on the console to abort Rebooting... sh-2.02# gdb -k kernel.gdb vmcore.0 GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details. GDB 4.16 (i386-unknown-freebsd), Copyright 1996 Free Software Foundation, Inc... IdlePTD 2793472 initial pcb at 241304 panicstr: from debugger panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xdeadc0e6 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0a1b380 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4623bfc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4623c0c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 13402 (mkdir) interrupt mask = panic: from debugger Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xdeadc0e6 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0a1b380 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4623bfc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4623c0c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 13402 (mkdir) interrupt mask = Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xdeadc0e6 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xf0a1b380 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf4623bfc frame pointer = 0x10:0xf4623c0c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 13402 (mkdir) interrupt mask = panic: from debugger dumping to dev 20001, offset 32768 dump 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 --- #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 285 dumppcb.pcb_cr3 = rcr3(); (kgdb) add-symbol-file /modules/vinum.ko 0x000059c0+0xf0a0f000 add symbol table from file "/modules/vinum.ko" at text_addr = 0xf0a149c0? (y or n) y (kgdb) bt #0 boot (howto=260) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:285 #1 0xf0132879 in panic (fmt=0xf02130f0 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 #2 0xf0118c5d in db_panic (addr=-257838208, have_addr=0, count=-1, modif=0xf4623a80 "") at ../../ddb/db_command.c:432 #3 0xf0118bfd in db_command (last_cmdp=0xf022dc9c, cmd_table=0xf022dafc, aux_cmd_tablep=0xf023eff0) at ../../ddb/db_command.c:332 #4 0xf0118cc2 in db_command_loop () at ../../ddb/db_command.c:454 #5 0xf011b013 in db_trap (type=12, code=0) at ../../ddb/db_trap.c:71 #6 0xf01e6096 in kdb_trap (type=12, code=0, regs=0xf4623bc0) at ../../i386/i386/db_interface.c:157 #7 0xf01f04cc in trap_fatal (frame=0xf4623bc0, eva=3735929062) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:937 #8 0xf01f01ab in trap_pfault (frame=0xf4623bc0, usermode=0, eva=3735929062) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:835 #9 0xf01efe0a in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -559038242, tf_esi = -2147483648, tf_ebp = -194888692, tf_isp = -194888728, tf_ebx = -255801832, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = -16162, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -257838208, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 66182, tf_esp = -257904640, tf_ss = -242003000}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437 #10 0xf0a1b380 in launch_requests (rq=0xf0cdde40, reviveok=0) at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c:368 #11 0xf0a1b235 in vinumstart (bp=0xf19353c8, reviveok=0) ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c:300 #12 0xf0a1b00a in vinumstrategy (bp=0xf19353c8) at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c:151 #13 0xf0163832 in spec_strategy (ap=0xf4623c88) at ../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:540 #14 0xf0162fb1 in spec_vnoperate (ap=0xf4623c88) at ../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:129 #15 0xf01c8ff5 in ufs_vnoperatespec (ap=0xf4623c88) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2317 #16 0xf01c89af in ufs_strategy (ap=0xf4623cc8) at vnode_if.h:891 #17 0xf01c8fc5 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xf4623cc8) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #18 0xf0150547 in bwrite (bp=0xf19353c8) at vnode_if.h:891 #19 0xf0154c3e in vop_stdbwrite (ap=0xf4623d20) at ../../kern/vfs_default.c:296 #20 0xf0154a89 in vop_defaultop (ap=0xf4623d20) at ../../kern/vfs_default.c:130 #21 0xf01c8fc5 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xf4623d20) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #22 0xf01c81f1 in ufs_mkdir (ap=0xf4623e8c) at vnode_if.h:1145 #23 0xf01c8fc5 in ufs_vnoperate (ap=0xf4623e8c) at ../../ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c:2299 #24 0xf015c71e in mkdir (p=0xf461ba40, uap=0xf4623f84) at vnode_if.h:611 #25 0xf01f06db in syscall (frame={tf_es = 39, tf_ds = 39, tf_edi = 18, tf_esi = 1, tf_ebp = -272639692, tf_isp = -194887724, tf_ebx = -272639302, tf_edx = -1, tf_ecx = 2, tf_eax = 136, ---Type to continue, or q to quit--- tf_trapno = 7, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = 134516284, tf_cs = 31, tf_eflags = 514, tf_esp = -272639824, tf_ss = 39}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:1100 #26 0xf01e69ec in Xint0x80_syscall () #27 0x804823b in ?? () #28 0x80480e9 in ?? () (kgdb) f 1 #1 0xf0132879 in panic (fmt=0xf02130f0 "from debugger") at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:446 446 boot(bootopt); (kgdb) quit sh-2.02# exit Here's kernel config: # Vokk machine "i386" ident Vokk maxusers 80 options PQ_NOOPT # color for 512k/16k cache config kernel root on wd0 cpu "I686_CPU" # aka Pentium Pro(tm) options "NO_F00F_HACK" options "COMPAT_43" options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG options "MD5" options "VM86" options DDB options INVARIANTS options INVARIANT_SUPPORT options UCONSOLE options INET #Internet communications protocols pseudo-device ether #Generic Ethernet pseudo-device loop #Network loopback device pseudo-device bpfilter 4 #Berkeley packet filter options "ICMP_BANDLIM" options FFS #Fast filesystem options NFS #Network File System options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 filesystem options MSDOSFS #MS DOS File System options PROCFS #Process filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device options SOFTUPDATES options "P1003_1B" options "_KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING" options "_KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L" pseudo-device pty 32 #Pseudo ttys - can go as high as 256 pseudo-device vn 2 #Vnode driver (turns a file into a device) pseudo-device snp 3 #Snoop device - to look at pty/vty/etc.. options "MSGBUF_SIZE=40960" controller isa0 controller pnp0 device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD tty device atkbd0 at isa? tty irq 1 device psm0 at isa? tty irq 12 device vga0 at isa? port ? conflicts pseudo-device splash device sc0 at isa? tty options MAXCONS=8 # number of virtual consoles options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=600 # number of history buffer lines options VESA # needs VM86 defined too!! device npx0 at isa? port IO_NPX iosiz 0x0 flags 0x0 irq 13 controller wdc0 at isa? port "IO_WD1" bio irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff disk wd0 at wdc0 drive 0 disk wd1 at wdc0 drive 1 controller wdc1 at isa? port "IO_WD2" bio irq 15 flags 0xa0ffa0ff disk wd2 at wdc1 drive 0 disk wd3 at wdc1 drive 1 options ATAPI #Enable ATAPI support for IDE bus options ATAPI_STATIC #Don't do it as an LKM options IDE_DELAY=2000 # Be optimistic about Joe IDE device device acd0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq ? drq ? controller pci0 device fxp0 controller ppbus0 device nlpt0 at ppbus? device plip0 at ppbus? device ppi0 at ppbus? controller ppc0 at isa? port ? tty irq 7 options CLK_CALIBRATION_LOOP options "CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION" options CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION #options COMPAT_LINUX options PANIC_REBOOT_WAIT_TIME=30 Vinum config: # mingi konf vinumile # Kettad drive drive1 device /dev/wd1s1h drive drive2 device /dev/wd2s1h # Volume u"he stripitud plexiga volume svol plex org striped 128k sd length 2379m drive drive1 sd length 2379m drive drive2 All filesystems except the vinum volume are mounted with softupdates. The filesystem on the volume is async mounted, no softupdates. Swap is spread over the three disks, 64MB each. I'm not clever enough to analyse this situation, is it caused by Vinum or something else? In fact the machine doesn't crash with inactive volume. Yet another note, after crashing the filesystem which resides on the vinum volume never get fixed by fsck. it complains: fsck: cannot find inode XXXXXX Thanks -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 11:23:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FC814E6B; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:23:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA93438; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:22:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 11:22:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199903141922.LAA93438@apollo.backplane.com> To: Nicholas Esborn Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diskless boot stopping at "NFS ROOT:..." References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a very weird problem with the new parallel port device that caused this to occur. It turned out to be speculative probing by the parallel device causing the system to go unstable. Try disabling the new parallel port device(s)/controllers and see if you can boot again. -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 13: 2:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B64C15718 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA05494; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:31:48 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id HAA14717; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:31:46 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990315073146.G429@lemis.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:31:46 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: vallo@matti.ee, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3.1-stable crash: is it Vinum or what..? References: <19990314204444.A67104@matti.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990314204444.A67104@matti.ee>; from Vallo Kallaste on Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 08:44:44PM +0200 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 14 March 1999 at 20:44:44 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > Hello ! > > We plan to move some machines to 3.1-STABLE soon and use now-in-beta > status Vinum for striping. The first shot was to install test machine > and try the Vinum. Well, I can crash the test machine within 15 > minutes doing make -j6 -DCLOBBER -DNOGAMES -DNOAOUT buildworld with > MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX pointing to striped volume. I hooked up another > machine for serial console and got traceback from DDB and dump also. > Here's results using guidelines from man 4 vinum: > > vinum: loaded > vinum: reading configuration from /dev/wd2s1h > vinum: updating configuration from /dev/wd1s1h > rm: /dev/vinum/drive/drive1: Read-only file system > (many more of same) > Can't create /dev/vinum/control: File exists > (many more of same) These messages now no longer appear. You should get a newer version of vinum (ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/). > #9 0xf01efe0a in trap (frame={tf_es = 16, tf_ds = 16, tf_edi = -559038242, > tf_esi = -2147483648, tf_ebp = -194888692, tf_isp = -194888728, > tf_ebx = -255801832, tf_edx = 0, tf_ecx = 0, tf_eax = -16162, > tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 0, tf_eip = -257838208, tf_cs = 8, > tf_eflags = 66182, tf_esp = -257904640, tf_ss = -242003000}) > at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:437 > #10 0xf0a1b380 in launch_requests (rq=0xf0cdde40, reviveok=0) > at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c:368 > #11 0xf0a1b235 in vinumstart (bp=0xf19353c8, reviveok=0) > at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c:300 > #12 0xf0a1b00a in vinumstrategy (bp=0xf19353c8) > at /usr/src/sys/modules/vinum/../../dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c:151 > #13 0xf0163832 in spec_strategy (ap=0xf4623c88) > at ../../miscfs/specfs/spec_vnops.c:540 Yup, I've seen this before. I *hope* I fixed it yesterday (revision 1.14 of vinumstrategy.c). I'm *very* interested in taking a look at the dump, though; can you give me access to the machine where it's located? > All filesystems except the vinum volume are mounted with > softupdates. The filesystem on the volume is async mounted, no > softupdates. Swap is spread over the three disks, 64MB each. I'm not > clever enough to analyse this situation, is it caused by Vinum or > something else? It's definitely a Vinum problem. > In fact the machine doesn't crash with inactive volume. Yet another > note, after crashing the filesystem which resides on the vinum > volume never get fixed by fsck. it complains: fsck: cannot find > inode XXXXXX I haven't seen that one before, but it's conceivable, depending on what you were doing at the time of the crash. That in itself isn't Vinum-specific. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 13:18:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BA7F156F5 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:18:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 14 Mar 99 21:17:53 +0000 (GMT) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, stanb@awod.com Subject: Re: OK, where did rc.local go? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 13 Mar 1999 19:55:04 PST." <6023.921383704@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Request-Do: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:17:52 +0000 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9903142117.aa15215@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > And whats the "right way" to start the xdm task now? > > I always start mine from /etc/ttys, but others scream that this is > evil. I don't care. Last time I tried this it was horribly broken. Worked fine for most things but I had xterms doing indirect xdmcp to the machine. Xdm just forked as fast as it could and the xterms never got a chooser. I presume it is a bug in xdm -nodaemon, but I didn't have time to go find it. This was in October - YMMV. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 13:54:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2F11583A for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:54:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA19031; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:54:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <5127.921359510@zippy.cdrom.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 14 Mar 1999 22:54:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard"'s message of "Sat, 13 Mar 1999 13:11:50 -0800" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: > > I was under the impression that we had gotten away from the point release > > after the 2.2.x releases. Either way, a 3.2 release 3 months after 3.1 > Just to correct this one, it's not that we've "gotten away" from point > releases so much as reassigned the meaning of them. Rather than doing > point releases as a matter of course, we'll now use them just for > serious bug fix / incremental release situations. Is this such a release, or should we call it 3.1.1 instead? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 13:56:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7451589F for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 13:56:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id WAA19105; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:56:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , jgrosch@MooseRiver.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <5127.921359510@zippy.cdrom.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 14 Mar 1999 22:56:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav's message of "14 Mar 1999 22:54:07 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Is this such a release, or should we call it 3.1.1 instead? Please disregard, I misread and got confused. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 15:35:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EB514F5C for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:35:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA19521 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:37:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:37:48 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 3.1-stable crash: is it Vinum or what..? In-Reply-To: <19990314204444.A67104@matti.ee> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I doubt this is the proper list for this so sorry off the get go... I have a few systems running 3.0-RELEASE. I installed it from ftp a month ago or so.. I am having a hard time finding anything for it. It looks as if it is not on the freebsd.org ftp site anywhere. Are there still CD's available someplace for 3.0? Or an ftp site I can nab things for 3.0 from? freebsdmall.com doesn't seem to have the cd nor does cdrom.com. Unless of course I am being a complete numbskull and not seeing it. I know I'll probably be told to upgrade to a newer version but this is not an option at this stage of the game. Thank you. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Woodman Technical Coordinator Keith@lightningweb.com Lightningweb LLC pid 7962 (sniffit), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 16:11: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from discover.laker.net (discover.laker.net [205.245.74.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A56E14FF1 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabriel@discover.laker.net) Received: (from gabriel@localhost) by discover.laker.net (8.9.1/8.9.1-LAKERNET+8.9.1-MOD) id TAA11747 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:10:41 -0500 From: Gabriel Message-Id: <199903150010.TAA11747@discover.laker.net> Subject: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:10:41 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello I need to get the latest 2.2.8 snapshot. I noticed that releng3.freebsd.org's directories are being reorganized and 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP is no longer there. Will it be back on releng3 after the reorganization? If not, will it be stored permanently elsewhere such was ftp.cdrom.com? -- Gabriel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows 95/NT: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. (UGU) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 16:43: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grizzly.fas.com (cc69528-a.mtpls1.sc.home.com [24.6.61.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B9714E9F for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:43:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) Received: by grizzly.fas.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.23 $/16.2) id AA157788560; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:42:40 -0500 Subject: why isn't rwho working? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Stable Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Stan Brown" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 951 Message-Id: <19990315004302.40B9714E9F@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have 2 FreeBSD machines with OS versions of 3.x/ I at 3.0-RELEASE, and 1 at 3.1=STABLE. On the same physical network I have about 8 other machines of varios OS'es. Including one FreeBSD 2.2.8 machine. Everything except the FreeBSD 3.x machines hapily reports each others uptimes etc, using rwho. I have seen this problem berfore, but the problem then was incorect netmasks. I have double checked them on these machines, and it still does not work. What am I doing wrong here? -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 17:48:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gold.com.br (gold-3.horizontes.com.br [200.215.160.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109E015581 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vcrhp@iname.com) Received: from iname.com (line0081.horizontes.com.br [200.215.162.90]) by gold.com.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA06757 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:48:32 -0300 Message-ID: <36EC6715.801C9E34@iname.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:49:09 -0300 From: "" Nando Augusto 95r "" Organization: "FreeBSD - A small step for Unix, a giant leap to PCs" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3.0-Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've download the 3.0 -stable on 06-Fev-99 , but I miss 2 files (dict.ab, bin.cn). Can anyone send me them? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 18:43:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls11.mediaone.net (chmls11.mediaone.net [24.128.1.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957DD14F7A for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from barley (h-180-15.mn.mediaone.net [209.32.180.15]) by chmls11.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11949; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:42:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Gabriel" , Subject: RE: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:44:09 -0600 Message-ID: <000101be6e8d$b3a2fd40$0100a8c0@barley.veldy.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <199903150010.TAA11747@discover.laker.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Who knows, but it is available now at: ftp://ftp7.de.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/2.2.8-19990120-SNAP Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Gabriel > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 1999 6:11 PM > To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? > > > Hello > > I need to get the latest 2.2.8 snapshot. I noticed that > releng3.freebsd.org's > directories are being reorganized and 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP is no longer > there. Will it be back on releng3 after the reorganization? If > not, will it > be stored permanently elsewhere such was ftp.cdrom.com? > > -- > > Gabriel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------ > Windows 95/NT: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch > to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, > written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. (UGU) > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 18:49:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grizzly.fas.com (cc69528-a.mtpls1.sc.home.com [24.6.61.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7FF1549C for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:49:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) Received: by grizzly.fas.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.23 $/16.2) id AA275616146; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:49:06 -0500 Subject: Start up sequencing problem with pccardd To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Stable Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:49:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Stan Brown" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1216 Message-Id: <19990315024926.AE7FF1549C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I seem to have a bit of a problem with start up sequencing on my 3.x machines. Whis is hapening is that /etc/rc is calling /etc/rc.pccardd, which in turn is staring up the pccardd daemon. However this daemon imediatly disposes itslef to the background. Now in my case my network paramters are set by a perl script called by the "insert" functionality of pccardd. So when ontrol returns to the rc script, the network is not set up yet when things like rwho get called. As a result various things don't work. Can anyone think of a way to determine when pccardd has finished setting thisgs up? If so I can just wait for thsi check in the rc script before continuig. I'm pretty certain this worked diferently in 2.2.x. Any ideas out there? -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 20:34:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grizzly.fas.com (cc69528-a.mtpls1.sc.home.com [24.6.61.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A1114C47 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) Received: by grizzly.fas.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.23 $/16.2) id AA077822444; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:34:04 -0500 Subject: Has something cahnged with amd in 3.x ? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Stable Mailing List) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:34:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Stan Brown" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 724 Message-Id: <19990315043424.23A1114C47@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG My 2 3.x machines will hapily mount each others filessytems using amd. The will alos mount a 2.2.8 FreebSD machine on the network. They are having troube mounting my HP's (9.10 and 10.20). The 2.2.8 box has no trouble doing this. What may have chnaged? -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 21: 0:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C525114E25 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 21:00:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09100; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:00:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA28622; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:00:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:00:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199903150500.WAA28622@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: David Malone Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, stanb@awod.com Subject: Re: OK, where did rc.local go? In-Reply-To: <9903142117.aa15215@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <6023.921383704@zippy.cdrom.com> <9903142117.aa15215@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > And whats the "right way" to start the xdm task now? > > > > I always start mine from /etc/ttys, but others scream that this is > > evil. I don't care. > > Last time I tried this it was horribly broken. Worked fine for most > things but I had xterms doing indirect xdmcp to the machine. Xdm > just forked as fast as it could and the xterms never got a chooser. > I presume it is a bug in xdm -nodaemon, but I didn't have time to go > find it. This was in October - YMMV. That "can't happen" as init make sure xdm can't fork too fast w/out disabling itself. Unless it happened that the "xdm" binary had a bug in it that caused 'nodaemon' to be ignored, which would cause the inferior xdm process to fork un-beknownst to the original xdm process. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 22:32:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781CF14EA7 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:32:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA01182 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:32:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:32:04 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199903150632.HAA01182@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gabriel wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > I need to get the latest 2.2.8 snapshot. I noticed that releng3.freebsd.org's > directories are being reorganized and 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP is no longer > there. Maybe Gavin's great Snap finder should be advertised more prominently at www.freebsd.org. It's here: http://www.itworks.com.au/~gavin/FBSDsites.php3 Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 22:49:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (mail4.aracnet.com [205.159.88.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D2A15055 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ctapang@aracnet.com) Received: from apex (216-99-199-225.cust.aracnet.com [216.99.199.225]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA06002; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:49:23 -0800 Message-ID: <002701be6eb0$34acec80$0d787880@apex.tapang> From: "Carlos C. Tapang" To: "Luoqi Chen" Cc: Subject: Your vmspace sharing patch for FreeBSD SMP Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:51:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Luoqi, I just downloaded your patch for FreeBSD-3x-STABLE and tried it on my STABLE installation. My system has dual 233MHz Pentium II's and 96Mbytes of main memory. I am getting thousands of messages on the screen that says "warning: pmap-remove-pages called with non-current pmap". I have examined the relevant source code (sys/i386/i386/pmap.c), but not being an expert on the FreeBSD vm system, I just can't understand it without spending enough time. My question is: is this something serious, or can I simply comment out this warning message? (Please respond directly to me because I am not in the freebsd-stable list.) Carlos C. Tapang http://www.genericwindows.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 23:13:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from polio.ecst.csuchico.edu (polio.ecst.csuchico.edu [132.241.4.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AF3714FAF for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu) Received: (qmail 438 invoked by uid 21024); 14 Mar 1999 23:13:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make installworld over NFS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been trying to perform an installworld over nfs, and this is where it bombs every time. cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext/B ; make -B install INSTALLPRIVLI B=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00502 INSTALLARCHLIB=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00502/mach *** Error code 2 Here is my /etc/exports /usr -mapall=0 -alldirs 10.0.0.59 (they both share a common /usr/src and /usr/obj) I'm running nfsd -u -t -n 4 and mountd -r, someone suggested i try runing rpc.lockd, but that didn't help any either. both systems are running 3.1-stable. Thanks -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Sameer Manek manek@ecst.csuchico.edu "Don't be afraid your life will end; be afraid that it will never begin." -Grace Hansen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun Mar 14 23:18:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from solaris.matti.ee (solaris.matti.ee [194.126.98.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9F014F72 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:18:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vallo@matti.ee) Received: from myhakas.matti.ee (postfix@myhakas.matti.ee [194.126.114.87]) by solaris.matti.ee (8.8.8/8.8.8.s) with ESMTP id JAA20246; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:18:20 +0200 (EET) Received: by myhakas.matti.ee (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 58163C3; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:18:21 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <19990315091821.A69151@matti.ee> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:18:21 +0200 From: Vallo Kallaste To: Greg Lehey , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 3.1-stable crash: is it Vinum or what..? Reply-To: vallo@matti.ee References: <19990314204444.A67104@matti.ee> <19990315073146.G429@lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <19990315073146.G429@lemis.com>; from Greg Lehey on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 07:31:46AM +1030 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?AS_Matti_B=FCrootehnika?= Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 07:31:46AM +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > These messages now no longer appear. You should get a newer version > of vinum (ftp://ftp.lemis.com/pub/vinum/). Yes, I know, I'm tracking -current quite closely. > Yup, I've seen this before. I *hope* I fixed it yesterday (revision > 1.14 of vinumstrategy.c). I'm *very* interested in taking a look at > the dump, though; can you give me access to the machine where it's > located? Yes. Though it takes some time because of "real work" :) I leave the machine untouched and hopefully can provide access todays afternoon. I let you know in private mail ASAP. I have got yet another crash and dump, the message was: dup_alloc -- Vallo Kallaste vallo@matti.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 0: 0:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.bby.com.au (ns.bby.com.au [192.83.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E697A151CE for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by fw.bby.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) id SAA25580; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:59:37 +1100 (EST) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au(192.168.71.20) via SMTP by fw.bby.com.au, id smtpd025578; Mon Mar 15 07:59:36 1999 Received: from lightning (lightning [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA02992; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:59:35 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199903150759.SAA02992@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: jwdare@novia.net (J.W. Dare) Subject: Workaround: Re: acd1: rezero failed In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 12 Mar 1999 14:31:34 +1100. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:59:35 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG With a bit more poking around, I have made the HP 8100 work with the acd driver. For some reason, the 8100 dislikes the ATAPI REZERO_UNIT command that acdopen() sends when in write mode. Yet it seems the HP 7200 has no problems with the same code. I've asked HP for any hints as to why the 8100 is different but they have not yet had time to reply (and I don't expect much joy, frankly). The following patch makes the CD-R/CD-RW bit work (as far as I can tell from my brief testing). I don't know all that much about the nitty-gritty of ATAPI so I don't know if this has any deadly consequences.... [btw: submitted as pr kern/dunno-yet] *** ./sys/i386/isa/atapi-cd.c.dist Mon Jan 4 10:13:22 1999 --- ./sys/i386/isa/atapi-cd.c Mon Mar 15 16:51:44 1999 *************** *** 399,405 **** /* read/write */ if (acd_rezero_unit(cdp)) { printf("acd%d: rezero failed\n", lun); ! return EIO; } } else { /* read only */ --- 399,405 ---- /* read/write */ if (acd_rezero_unit(cdp)) { printf("acd%d: rezero failed\n", lun); ! /* return EIO; */ } } else { /* read only */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 0:10: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bsd.mbp.ee (bsd.mbp.ee [194.204.12.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0A61503E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mauri@aripaev.ee) Received: from lant.mbp.ee (lant.mbp.ee [194.204.12.41]) by bsd.mbp.ee (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA94399 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:08:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from mauri@aripaev.ee) Received: by lant.mbp.ee with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:09:50 +0200 Message-ID: <554419C71610D211B3F808003636280213AFB2@lant.mbp.ee> From: Lauri Laupmaa To: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: 11 Mar stable - out of file descriptors Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:09:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi After kernel detects sa0, da1, da0 it sits some twenty seconds and then = boom "out of file descriptors" and "enter full pathname for shell..." Is something wrong with 11 Mar stable ? Any pointers ? TIA _____________ Lauri Laupmaa 6670369 =C4rip=E4eva Kirjastus To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 0:22:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (castles125.castles.com [208.214.165.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D021500A for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10715; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:16:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903150816.AAA10715@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: 11 Mar stable - out of file descriptors In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:09:46 +0200." <554419C71610D211B3F808003636280213AFB2@lant.mbp.ee> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:16:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi > = > After kernel detects sa0, da1, da0 it sits some twenty seconds and then= boom > "out of file descriptors" and "enter full pathname for shell..." > = > Is something wrong with 11 Mar stable ? Any pointers ? You copied /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf. That is STUPID. Do Not Do That. Only make entries in /etc/rc.conf that you actually need. At the very least, you should have read the file to see what it did, at = which point it would have been very obvious that you had Done The Wrong = Thing. -- = \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 0:37:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from acc0.visti.net (acc0.visti.net [195.64.225.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC3E155C7 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 00:37:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from amb@visti.net) Received: from office.visti.net (office.visti.net [195.64.225.183]) by acc0.visti.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA18226; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:36:52 +0200 (EET) Received: from visti.net (pinta.visti.net [195.64.225.241]) by office.visti.net (8.6.12/8.ElVisti) with ESMTP id KAA10198; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:36:52 +0200 Message-ID: <36ECC6A2.DC3A8E84@visti.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:36:50 +0200 From: Andrei Biryukov Organization: ElVisti X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-19990307-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lauri Laupmaa Cc: "'stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: 11 Mar stable - out of file descriptors References: <554419C71610D211B3F808003636280213AFB2@lant.mbp.ee> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lauri Laupmaa wrote: > > Hi > > After kernel detects sa0, da1, da0 it sits some twenty seconds and then boom > "out of file descriptors" and "enter full pathname for shell..." > > Is something wrong with 11 Mar stable ? Any pointers ? You have to change line 25 in /etc/rc.conf : rc_conf_files="/etc/rc.conf /etc/rc.conf.local" - wrong rc_conf_files="/etc/rc.conf.local" - true -- âÉÒÀËÏ× áÎÄÒÅÊ IC ElVisti E-mail amb@visti.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 1:30:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EE7314EA8 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:30:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 15 Mar 99 09:29:59 +0000 (GMT) To: Nate Williams Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OK, where did rc.local go? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Mar 1999 22:00:03 MST." <199903150500.WAA28622@mt.sri.com> X-Request-Do: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:29:58 +0000 From: David Malone Message-ID: <9903150929.aa16138@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That "can't happen" as init make sure xdm can't fork too fast w/out > disabling itself. Unless it happened that the "xdm" binary had a bug in > it that caused 'nodaemon' to be ignored, which would cause the inferior > xdm process to fork un-beknownst to the original xdm process. I think it wasn't as straight forward as init spawning too many xdm's. I think it might have been xdm that was doing the forking, probably due to some difference in the environment in which it was invoked (sigmask maybe?). If someone is really interested I can try to reproduce it and get some more info - but I think it is just safest to start it from rc.local. David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 1:32:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C0014DDB for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:32:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (sji-ca6-71.ix.netcom.com [205.186.213.71]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05976; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:32:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by silvia.hip.berkeley.edu (8.9.2/8.6.9) id BAA02241; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:32:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 01:32:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903150932.BAA02241@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: silvia.hip.berkeley.edu: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: n@nectar.com Cc: stanb@awod.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <199903121652.KAA87742@spawn.nectar.com> (message from Jacques Vidrine on Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:52:30 -0600) Subject: Re: Help with gnomecontrlcenter port From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) References: <19990312031259.5C1E115210@hub.freebsd.org> <199903120340.VAA34504@spawn.nectar.com> <199903121634.IAA02668@silvia.hip.berkeley.edu> <199903121652.KAA87742@spawn.nectar.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Jacques Vidrine * Traditionally Vanilla didn't bump the library number of glib, gtk * unless there was a major new release. Presumably because updates * come out so frequently (libgtk12.99 anyone :-). Or maybe because * it is so hard to tell when the library interface actually changes. Our policy is to bump it once between releases. Of course it depends on the software, but this is the general principle. * But I do suppose that this is called for in this batch of upgrades. * I'll see to it this weekend when I commit some other fixes for these * ports. Yes, thanks. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 2:17: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 21.zoomsystems.com (hil-qbu-ppy-vty34.as.wcom.net [209.154.59.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521E314E04; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jeff@Wagsky.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by 21.zoomsystems.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA52075; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:16:33 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Jeff@Wagsky.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:16:32 +1100 (EST) From: Jeff Kletsky X-Sender: root@21.zoomsystems.com To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: Ustimenko Semen Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/mount_ntfs In-Reply-To: <199903140940.BAA43905@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Ustimenko Semen wrote: > semenu 1999/03/14 01:40:48 PST > > Added files: (Branch: RELENG_3) > sbin/mount_ntfs Makefile mount_ntfs.8 mount_ntfs.c > Log: > MFC: Going to backport to RELENG_3 A buildworld/installworld from usr/src does not seem to create the required command/modules. No changes to usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT that I could see to have an "options" for NTFS, nor to src/sbin/Makefile. Am I missing something here? Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 2:54:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.ucb.crimea.ua (relay.ucb.crimea.ua [212.110.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D221151A8; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:53:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ru@ucb.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by relay.ucb.crimea.ua (8.9.2/8.9.2/UCB) id MAA17494; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:50:31 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:50:31 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Jeff Kletsky Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Ustimenko Semen Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/mount_ntfs Message-ID: <19990315125031.A12067@relay.ucb.crimea.ua> Mail-Followup-To: Jeff Kletsky , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Ustimenko Semen References: <199903140940.BAA43905@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Jeff Kletsky on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 09:16:32PM +1100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 09:16:32PM +1100, Jeff Kletsky wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Ustimenko Semen wrote: > > > semenu 1999/03/14 01:40:48 PST > > > > Added files: (Branch: RELENG_3) > > sbin/mount_ntfs Makefile mount_ntfs.8 mount_ntfs.c > > Log: > > MFC: Going to backport to RELENG_3 > > > A buildworld/installworld from usr/src does not seem to create the > required command/modules. No changes to usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT that I > could see to have an "options" for NTFS, nor to src/sbin/Makefile. Am I > missing something here? > > Jeff The work is in progress, I think: } semenu 1999/03/14 01:59:54 PST } } Added files: (Branch: RELENG_3) } sys/modules/ntfs Makefile } Log: } MFC: Going to backport to RELENG_3, rest things: } include mount_ntfs dir into src/sbin/Makefile, } ntfs dir into src/sys/modules/Makefile, } merge 1.83 -> 1.84 change from current to src/sys/sys/vnode.h, } 1.200 -> 1.201 to src/sys/conf/files, } 1.128 -> 1.129 to src/sys/conf/options. -- Ruslan Ermilov Sysadmin and DBA of the ru@ucb.crimea.ua United Commercial Bank +380.652.247.647 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 2:56: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from creator.gu.net (creator-eth0.gu.net [194.93.191.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FE0151D3 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 02:55:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from srd@umc.com.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by creator.gu.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id MAA21857 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:44:58 +0200 Received: from umc.com.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mh.umc.com.ua (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06437 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:37:52 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <36ECE159.6F06274D@umc.com.ua> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:30:49 +0200 From: "Roman D. Sinyuk" Organization: UMC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 3: 4: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E81071543A for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:03:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA03265 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:03:38 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA17270; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:03:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:03:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199903151103.AA17270@waltz.rahul.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote: Just my opinion: The next major release of FreeBSD 3.x should be so reliable and bug-free that sites can install it and have a high degree of confidence that they won't need to apply any bug fixes for at least 6 months. "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: That's a fine general thing to want, but it still tells me nothing about scheduling and that's what this thread is all about. :) Mike Smith writes: That sounds like a wonderful idea. Are you volunteering the labour to help achieve this goal? You folks have really put me in my place. :-) Please consider the variables: Labor available: Finite, can't be easily increased. Software quality: Can be increased, but only at the cost of features. Scheduling: Flexible. Nomenclature: Flexible. If you first decide upon a date for the next 3.x-RELEASE, then you must accept whatever software quality is available in time for that date. Why not, instead, pick a level of software quality, and then follow whatever release schedule it takes to achieve that? Ok, I understand that people using 3.0-RELEASE and 3.1-RELEASE might need some urgent bug fixes. Intermediate bug-fix releases could still occur, called by names such as 3.x-SNAP or 3.x-INTERIM. But the next 3.x-RELEASE should be rock-solid and cause those who use FreeBSD for the first time to be ecstatic about FreeBSD. And it would be better to wait however long it takes to achieve that. -- Rahul Dhesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 3:50: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from teimes.gr (pandora.teimes.gr [194.177.216.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB26714E9E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 03:49:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from isachpaz@pandora.teimes.gr) Received: from localhost (isachpaz@localhost) by teimes.gr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29180 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:47:19 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from isachpaz@pandora.teimes.gr) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:47:19 +0200 (EET) From: Ilias Sachpazidis To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: cdrecord & IDE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I want to burn a CD with cdrecord. I have IDE CD-Write ( Philips CDD-3610 ). Is that possible ? Thanks. --- Ilias Sachpazidis e-mail: isachpaz@teimes.gr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 5:48:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864F914E9E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:48:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id HAA14878; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:47:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id HAA14874; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:47:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004101be6eea$6afb76a0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Ilias Sachpazidis" , Subject: Re: cdrecord & IDE Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:47:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not unless somebody can write a scsi emulation driver much like Linux. I have looked through the code (very very briefly) and it does not appear to be organized in such a way to allow the insertion of such a layer easily. I would love to attempt it if I had information to work with. I know nothing about the IDE or SCSI API and nothing about writing drivers though. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com -----Original Message----- From: Ilias Sachpazidis To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 5:59 AM Subject: cdrecord & IDE > > >Hi, > >I want to burn a CD with cdrecord. I have IDE CD-Write ( Philips CDD-3610 >). Is that possible ? > > >Thanks. > >--- >Ilias Sachpazidis >e-mail: isachpaz@teimes.gr > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 5:49:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0345D14CFE; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:49:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id HAA14886; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:48:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id HAA14882; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:48:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004e01be6eea$92c0e3f0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Jeff Kletsky" , Cc: "Ustimenko Semen" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/mount_ntfs Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:48:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I saw the ntfs stuff come in from cvsup for mount_ntfs, but I could not find anything in LINT or GENERIC to configure it either. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kletsky To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ustimenko Semen Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 4:29 AM Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/mount_ntfs > > >On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Ustimenko Semen wrote: > >> semenu 1999/03/14 01:40:48 PST >> >> Added files: (Branch: RELENG_3) >> sbin/mount_ntfs Makefile mount_ntfs.8 mount_ntfs.c >> Log: >> MFC: Going to backport to RELENG_3 > > >A buildworld/installworld from usr/src does not seem to create the >required command/modules. No changes to usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT that I >could see to have an "options" for NTFS, nor to src/sbin/Makefile. Am I >missing something here? > >Jeff > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 5:50:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D348150C2 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 05:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id HAA14897; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:50:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id HAA14890; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:49:59 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <006101be6eea$c11bf4b0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Sameer R. Manek" , Subject: Re: make installworld over NFS Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 07:50:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Are the /etc/make.conf files the same on both machines? That used to catch me in the past. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com -----Original Message----- From: Sameer R. Manek To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Monday, March 15, 1999 1:24 AM Subject: make installworld over NFS >I've been trying to perform an installworld over nfs, and this is where it >bombs every time. > >cd /usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/ext/B ; make -B install >INSTALLPRIVLI >B=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00502 INSTALLARCHLIB=/usr/libdata/perl/5.00502/mach >*** Error code 2 > >Here is my /etc/exports >/usr -mapall=0 -alldirs 10.0.0.59 >(they both share a common /usr/src and /usr/obj) > >I'm running nfsd -u -t -n 4 and mountd -r, someone suggested i try runing >rpc.lockd, but that didn't help any either. > >both systems are running 3.1-stable. > >Thanks > >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Sameer Manek manek@ecst.csuchico.edu > "Don't be afraid your life will end; > be afraid that it will never begin." -Grace Hansen >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 8:31:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.mt.sri.com (sri-gw.MT.net [206.127.105.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF171507F for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nate@mt.sri.com) Received: from mt.sri.com (rocky.mt.sri.com [206.127.76.100]) by ns.mt.sri.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13707; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:30:47 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nate@rocky.mt.sri.com) Received: by mt.sri.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00496; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:30:33 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:30:33 -0700 Message-Id: <199903151630.JAA00496@mt.sri.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: David Malone Cc: Nate Williams , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OK, where did rc.local go? In-Reply-To: <9903150929.aa16138@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199903150500.WAA28622@mt.sri.com> <9903150929.aa16138@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > That "can't happen" as init make sure xdm can't fork too fast w/out > > disabling itself. Unless it happened that the "xdm" binary had a bug in > > it that caused 'nodaemon' to be ignored, which would cause the inferior > > xdm process to fork un-beknownst to the original xdm process. > > I think it wasn't as straight forward as init spawning too many xdm's. > I think it might have been xdm that was doing the forking, probably due > to some difference in the environment in which it was invoked (sigmask > maybe?). It shouldn't be forking at all with the '-nodaemon' parameter. > If someone is really interested I can try to reproduce it and > get some more info - but I think it is just safest to start it from > rc.local. Then it won't get re-started if xdm dies. :( Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 8:48:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7DB1500E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 08:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from markab (markab [128.130.111.33]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA22692; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:47:55 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:47:54 +0100 (MET) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: "Jon M. Craig (Pazuzu)" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wine under 3.1-RELEASE? In-Reply-To: <199903140542.AAA28497@legba.pwrtc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Jon M. Craig (Pazuzu) wrote: > Also - I've tried to compike 990226 but not had any success, has anyone got > it to compile? (I get a stop message complaining about a few undefined > identifiers). I'm building Wine some three times a week and regularily submit bug reports to the Wine developers concerning Linuxisms or other portability problems and these bugs usually get fixed rather quickly. The CVS version as of three days built fine on FreeBSD 3.1, so you might want to try a newer snapshot. In any case, please report all FreeBSD-specific Wine issue to the comp.emulators.ms-windows.wine newsgroup. > Another problem - during the ./configure phase, there is a warning about > a non-reentrant libc - yet I have libc_r installed... Any idea how to > fix this warning? This, indeed, is one of the more serious remaining problems. :-( Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 9: 7:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from user1.channel1.com (user1.channel1.com [199.1.13.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B828714D24 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 09:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@channel1.com) Received: from ntadmin (ntadmin.channel1.com [204.96.33.24]) by user1.channel1.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with SMTP id MAA02118 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990315120533.0226cda0@pop.channel1.com> X-Sender: deepblue@pop.channel1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:05:33 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mail Handler Subject: Can't get current directory on login Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Folks -- Here's a strange (to me) login/permissions issue, which seems to center on the boundary of usr / homes. On login, pwd doesn't work until a simple "cd" is issued; then it's fine, but ls can't read across the /usr/homes/ partition (ls ../.. fails). FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE (hostname) #0: Sat Mar 13 20:12:48 EST 1999 no mail. shell-init: could not get current directory: Permission denied job-working-directory: could not get current directory: Permission denied pwd: could not get current directory: Permission denied hostname:> ls hostname:> ls .. hostname:> ls ../.. ls: job-working-directory: could not get current directory: Permission denied ../..: Permission denied pwd: could not get current directory: Permission denied hostname:>pwd pwd: could not get current directory: Permission denied hostname:> cd cd_links: could not get current directory: Permission denied hostname:/usr/homes/channel1> pwd /usr/homes/hostname user1:/usr/homes/hostname> hostname:/usr/homes/username> ls ../.. ls: ../..: Permission denied (Can't read upwards) hostname:/usr/homes/channel1> cd /usr user1:/usr> ls hostname:/usr> ls homes (Can read downwards). hostname:/usr> cd homes hostname:/usr/homes> ls .. ls: ..: Permission denied Permissions: drwxr-xr-x 23 root wheel 1024 Mar 15 00:02 ./ drwxr-xr-x 19 root wheel 512 Mar 12 14:33 usr/ drwxr-xr-x 3759 root wheel 66048 Mar 8 16:23 homes/ drwx------ 6 username guest 512 Oct 24 12:11 username/ fstab: /dev/sd0s1f /usr ufs rw 1 2 /dev/sd0s1g /usr/homes ufs rw,nosuid 1 2 Ktrace on pwd from /usr/homes/username: 24192 ls CALL stat(0x350c0,0xefbfd8f0) 24192 ls NAMI "../../.." 24192 ls RET stat -1 errno 13 Permission denied To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 10:32:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iclub.nsu.ru (iclub.nsu.ru [193.124.222.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0580315518; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:32:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from semen@iclub.nsu.ru) Received: from localhost (semen@localhost) by iclub.nsu.ru (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28930; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:31:22 +0600 (NS) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 00:31:22 +0600 (NS) From: Ustimenko Semen To: Jeff Kletsky Cc: stable@freebsd.org, Ustimenko Semen Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sbin/mount_ntfs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Jeff Kletsky wrote: > On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Ustimenko Semen wrote: > > > semenu 1999/03/14 01:40:48 PST > > > > Added files: (Branch: RELENG_3) > > sbin/mount_ntfs Makefile mount_ntfs.8 mount_ntfs.c > > Log: > > MFC: Going to backport to RELENG_3 > > > A buildworld/installworld from usr/src does not seem to create the > required command/modules. No changes to usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT that I > could see to have an "options" for NTFS, nor to src/sbin/Makefile. Am I > missing something here? > I'm just waiting for someone to prove driver to work under RELENG_3. Just after this i'll include needed directories in makefiles and add kernel option. For now, you can build mount_ntfs and ntfs.ko with your hands, and try to use it. Drop me a letter on how it goes. Bye. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 10:49:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB6714BE4 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:49:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21333; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:48:57 -0300 (EST) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Message-Id: <199903151848.PAA21333@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <199903140938.SAA23606@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> from Kazutaka YOKOTA at "Mar 14, 1999 6:38:17 pm" To: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp (Kazutaka YOKOTA) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:48:57 -0300 (EST) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG #define quoting(Kazutaka YOKOTA) // The 3.1-RELEASE is only one month old and users are just starting to // install it on their machines. We have had a bunch of initial You mean, those users who have already received their CDs (no brasilian included, IIRC)... :) Is there something so serious in 3.1 to deserve another release ? I must agree 3.0 was a mess, but 3.1 seems to be just fine for me (until now). I'd vote to continue the standard schedule for 3.2, and use cvsup for upgrades. Jonny -- Joao Carlos Mendes Luis M.Sc. Student jonny@jonny.eng.br Universidade Federal do Rio de Janeiro "This .sig is not meant to be politically correct." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 11:15:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E6915463 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:15:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA87265; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:15:06 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01089; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:45:09 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Kazutaka YOKOTA Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:38:17 +0900." <199903140938.SAA23606@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:45:08 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The 3.1-RELEASE is only one month old and users are just starting to > install it on their machines. We have had a bunch of initial > problem/bug reports, and I expect more complaints/reports/suggestions > will come in the next few weeks. We shall need a bit of time to sort > these things out... > > I would suggest June 1st. I agree. The 3.1 discs just arrived in the UK last Saturday. > Kazu -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 11:49:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from carbon.marathon.org (carbon.marathon.org [209.180.116.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4561512B; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nje@carbon.marathon.org) Received: from localhost (nje@localhost) by carbon.marathon.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA17446; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:47:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from nje@carbon.marathon.org) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:47:51 -0700 (MST) From: Nicholas Esborn To: Matthew Dillon Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diskless boot stopping at "NFS ROOT:..." In-Reply-To: <199903141922.LAA93438@apollo.backplane.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for the pointer. This seems to have been the problem and I have it booting now. As a followup, is it possible to specify boot parameters (i.e. splash screen, pnp config, etc) on a machine that is net booting? Thanks for the help. Nick On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: > I had a very weird problem with the new parallel port device that caused > this to occur. It turned out to be speculative probing by the parallel > device causing the system to go unstable. > > Try disabling the new parallel port device(s)/controllers and see if you > can boot again. > > -Matt > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 12:14:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E1C1517C for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:14:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net) Received: (from insane@localhost) by lunatic.oneinsane.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA31260 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from insane) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:13:50 -0800 From: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: What did I miss? Message-ID: <19990315121350.A31237@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: insane@oneinsane.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 3.1-RELEASE X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-Disclaimer: I am a firm believer in RTFM X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-PGP-KEY: http://www.oneinsane.net/~insane/insane-pgp5i.txt X-Uptime: 12:12PM up 1 day, 3:28, 4 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am running 3.1-R nad I get this error message when it boots. This has to do with the screen saver. logo_saver: no suitable graphics mode module_register_init: module_register(logo_saver, f09de9bc, 0) error 19 TIA Ron -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was null and void ------------------------------------------------------------------- A hard-on does not count as personal growth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 12:45:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C85514D24 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA00434; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:37:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903152037.MAA00434@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: insane@oneinsane.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What did I miss? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:13:50 PST." <19990315121350.A31237@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:37:16 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I am running 3.1-R nad I get this error message when it boots. This has to > do with the screen saver. > > logo_saver: no suitable graphics mode > module_register_init: module_register(logo_saver, f09de9bc, 0) error 19 You missed reading the error message. I've quoted it so you can try again. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 13:12: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A328D150A4 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:11:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjdawes@physics.ucsd.edu) Received: from physics.ucsd.edu (huntington.ucsd.edu [132.239.73.96]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA29927 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by physics.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA18154; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:09:53 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:09:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard J. Dawes" X-Sender: rjdawes@huntington Reply-To: Richard Dawes To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: An Idea [was "What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date?"] In-Reply-To: <199903151103.AA17270@waltz.rahul.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, all! I'm pretty new to this list and keep mostly quiet, especially since I'm still a student and most issues go over my head. But, I have an idea regarding the timing of releases and the work being done on freebsd-stable. [No groans, yet, please! ;-) ] I've amended the subject of this so that the original 'thread' isn't muddled. First, keep the longer release interval in place, whatever you all think that should be (6 mos., a year, whatever). Then, simply designate on a regular basis (monthly, bimonthly, whatever) some source- snap to be an entirely unofficial subrelease (is "point-release" the lingo?). It should probably be a couple weeks old at least, one that seems to have the best combo. of bug fixes vs. new bugs caused by them. This could be decided by Jordan, consensus on this list, whatever. Since it is not an official release such a decision can be made entirely unscientifically; gut feeling is entirely reasonable in this scheme. If in some month things are just so weird that this is just impractical, then this can be noted in a short README next to the snap directories (which in any case could be a clearinghouse for suggestions to handle as-yet unresolved problems). This way, the regular development cycle can be preserved. Dummies (like me ;-), though, would have a means for being quite reason- ably sure that such "stable-snap" source would build into a more stable system then what the last CD provides, and yet not have to follow the day-to-day developments with freebsd-stable. Sysadmins, who should of course still follow the regular track, could with minimal effort keep their systems more up-to-date without testing things out on a standalone system first. Well, what do you all think? [OK, you can groan now ;-) ] Please be gentle, though, since I'm still a green newbie here. Oh, and yes, Mike, I'll help out in whatever feeble way I can! ;-) --Rich ======================================== Richard J. Dawes rdawes@ucsd.edu ======================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 13:20:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF9814F62 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjdawes@physics.ucsd.edu) Received: from physics.ucsd.edu (huntington.ucsd.edu [132.239.73.96]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA01549; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by physics.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA18239; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:18:23 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard J. Dawes" X-Sender: rjdawes@huntington Reply-To: Richard Dawes To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <199903151103.AA17270@waltz.rahul.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Rahul Dhesi wrote: > [...] > Why not, instead, pick a level of software quality, and then follow > whatever release schedule it takes to achieve that? In my (admittedly minimal) experience, deadlines can sometimes be a prime motivator. ;-) > Ok, I understand that people using 3.0-RELEASE and 3.1-RELEASE might > need some urgent bug fixes. Intermediate bug-fix releases could still > occur, called by names such as 3.x-SNAP or 3.x-INTERIM. > [...] I just had a similar idea. (See separate mail, "An Idea".) --Rich ======================================== Richard J. Dawes rdawes@ucsd.edu ======================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 13:34:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.backplane.com (apollo.backplane.com [209.157.86.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEA914EE8; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon@apollo.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by apollo.backplane.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA02842; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:34:22 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Dillon Message-Id: <199903152134.NAA02842@apollo.backplane.com> To: Nicholas Esborn Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diskless boot stopping at "NFS ROOT:..." References: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :Thanks for the pointer. This seems to have been the problem and I have it :booting now. As a followup, is it possible to specify boot parameters :(i.e. splash screen, pnp config, etc) on a machine that is net booting? : :Thanks for the help. : :Nick : :On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: : :> I had a very weird problem with the new parallel port device that caused Try this patch. This is what I had to do to make my machines work without crashing. If this solves your problem, I would really appreciate it if the people developing the new parallel port stuff would look into it further and perhaps make these probes optional rather then the default. This could become a disaster if it remains a problem through on the next release. -Matt Matthew Dillon Index: i386/isa/ppc.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/ppc.c,v retrieving revision 1.20 diff -u -r1.20 ppc.c --- ppc.c 1999/02/14 22:02:47 1.20 +++ ppc.c 1999/03/15 21:32:40 @@ -1066,9 +1066,11 @@ /* list of supported chipsets */ int (*chipset_detect[])(struct ppc_data *, int) = { +#if 0 ppc_pc873xx_detect, ppc_smc37c66xgt_detect, ppc_w83877f_detect, +#endif ppc_generic_detect, NULL }; To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 14: 8:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DED1502B; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:08:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by phk.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA12544; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:07:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA22922; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:07:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Matthew Dillon Cc: Nicholas Esborn , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diskless boot stopping at "NFS ROOT:..." In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 13:34:22 PST." <199903152134.NAA02842@apollo.backplane.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:07:49 +0100 Message-ID: <22920.921535669@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <199903152134.NAA02842@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon writes: Shouldn't this be detected by PCI-id rather than by brute force probing ? >:> I had a very weird problem with the new parallel port device that caused > > Try this patch. This is what I had to do to make my machines work > without crashing. > > If this solves your problem, I would really appreciate it if the > people developing the new parallel port stuff would look into it > further and perhaps make these probes optional rather then the > default. This could become a disaster if it remains a problem through > on the next release. > > -Matt > Matthew Dillon > > > >Index: i386/isa/ppc.c >=================================================================== >RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/ppc.c,v >retrieving revision 1.20 >diff -u -r1.20 ppc.c >--- ppc.c 1999/02/14 22:02:47 1.20 >+++ ppc.c 1999/03/15 21:32:40 >@@ -1066,9 +1066,11 @@ > > /* list of supported chipsets */ > int (*chipset_detect[])(struct ppc_data *, int) = { >+#if 0 > ppc_pc873xx_detect, > ppc_smc37c66xgt_detect, > ppc_w83877f_detect, >+#endif > ppc_generic_detect, > NULL > }; > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 14:17:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (dingo.cdrom.com [204.216.28.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5771588A; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Received: from dingo.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by dingo.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA00926; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:06:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@dingo.cdrom.com) Message-Id: <199903152206.OAA00926@dingo.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: Matthew Dillon , Nicholas Esborn , current@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Diskless boot stopping at "NFS ROOT:..." In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:07:49 +0100." <22920.921535669@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:06:34 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message <199903152134.NAA02842@apollo.backplane.com>, Matthew Dillon writes: > > Shouldn't this be detected by PCI-id rather than by brute force probing ? Since these are ISA chipsets, no. They're not (all) PnP devices either, unfortunately. > > >:> I had a very weird problem with the new parallel port device that caused > > > > Try this patch. This is what I had to do to make my machines work > > without crashing. > > > > If this solves your problem, I would really appreciate it if the > > people developing the new parallel port stuff would look into it > > further and perhaps make these probes optional rather then the > > default. This could become a disaster if it remains a problem through > > on the next release. > > > > -Matt > > Matthew Dillon > > > > > > > >Index: i386/isa/ppc.c > >=================================================================== > >RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/isa/ppc.c,v > >retrieving revision 1.20 > >diff -u -r1.20 ppc.c > >--- ppc.c 1999/02/14 22:02:47 1.20 > >+++ ppc.c 1999/03/15 21:32:40 > >@@ -1066,9 +1066,11 @@ > > > > /* list of supported chipsets */ > > int (*chipset_detect[])(struct ppc_data *, int) = { > >+#if 0 > > ppc_pc873xx_detect, > > ppc_smc37c66xgt_detect, > > ppc_w83877f_detect, > >+#endif > > ppc_generic_detect, > > NULL > > }; > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member > phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." > FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 15: 6:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55F814CD1; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carl@xena.aipo.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id KAA29807; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:04:59 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au: smap set sender to using -f Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.18) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma029796; Tue, 16 Mar 99 10:04:40 +1100 Received: from xena.ipaustralia.gov.au (disc-6-82.aipo.gov.au [10.0.6.82]) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA63833; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:04:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.aipo.gov.au) Message-ID: <36ED921D.C9BF2840@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:05:01 +1100 From: Carl Makin Reply-To: carl@xena.aipo.gov.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Brad Knowles , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum questions? References: <19990312133024.005687@relay.skynet.be> <19990312144140.011407@relay.skynet.be> <19990313085234.D429@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Friday, 12 March 1999 at 14:41:40 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > > Finally, while we're at it, I don't suppose anyone has any > > experience with running a softupdates filesystem on top of a vinum > > striped/concatenated volume, do you? Am I dreaming in hoping that I'm running softupdates on a CCD stripe. I found it worked when I enabled softupdates on the 2 slices making up the CCD individually. I couldn't enable it on the CCD itself. Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 15:33:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5AB14DA7; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:33:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA11867; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:54 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id KAA18771; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:53 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990316100252.Q429@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:52 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au Cc: Brad Knowles , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Softupdates and CCD (was: Vinum questions?) References: <19990312133024.005687@relay.skynet.be> <19990312144140.011407@relay.skynet.be> <19990313085234.D429@lemis.com> <36ED921D.C9BF2840@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36ED921D.C9BF2840@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au>; from Carl Makin on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:05:01AM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 16 March 1999 at 10:05:01 +1100, Carl Makin wrote: > >> On Friday, 12 March 1999 at 14:41:40 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > >>> Finally, while we're at it, I don't suppose anyone has any >>> experience with running a softupdates filesystem on top of a vinum >>> striped/concatenated volume, do you? Am I dreaming in hoping that > > I'm running softupdates on a CCD stripe. I found it worked when I > enabled softupdates on the 2 slices making up the CCD individually. I > couldn't enable it on the CCD itself. This doesn't work. You should be able to enable softupdates on the ccd, but enabling it on the components makes no difference at all. The fact that you can do it is a bug allowed by the fact that ccd requires a 4.2BSD type partition. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 16:30:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1634015443 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id JAA06892; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:29:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36EDA4A6.336FCB50@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:24:06 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: Kazutaka YOKOTA , jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <199903151848.PAA21333@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > #define quoting(Kazutaka YOKOTA) > // The 3.1-RELEASE is only one month old and users are just starting to > // install it on their machines. We have had a bunch of initial > > You mean, those users who have already received their CDs (no > brasilian included, IIRC)... :) > > Is there something so serious in 3.1 to deserve another release ? Broken Linux compatibility? :-) PCCARD is a mess in 3.1. A *LOT* of potential deadlock conditions and NFS bugs were corrected. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "What happened?" "It moved, sir!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 16:30:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5619E154FD for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA155992; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:32:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <32125.921321982@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:30:49 -0500 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 2:46 AM -0800 3/13/99, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > It's a little close on the heels of 3.1, but there have been a > significant number of things found and fixed in 3.1 that I'm > almost itching for a 3.1.1 at this point. Failing that, and I > think a point release would be just a bit overkill anyway, we > can do 3.2 after a reasonable minimum interval period and that > would be, IMO, May 1st at the earliest. From my point-of-view (in a college setting), it's pretty nice to have a "clean" snapshot sometime between May 1st and June 1st. That gives people the summer to upgrade "critical" machines, and the warm-and-fuzzy feeling that they are upgrading to something which should still be a reasonably good choice for the start of classes in the fall. For my own personal schedule, it would be nice if the CD's for that released arrived before May 15th. Lately my schedule has been getting blown full of holes though, so I've given up making decisions based on it. If I were to ignore my schedule, then I would be inclined to say June 1st might be a better date. Hmm, I guess we might be thinking about different dates here when we say "the date". I'm thinking "the date I want the CD version to be shipping by". --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 16:48:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE611150C2 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:48:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA135420; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:50:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199903151103.AA17270@waltz.rahul.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:49:04 -0500 To: Richard Dawes From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: An Idea [was "What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date?"] Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:09 PM -0800 3/15/99, Richard J. Dawes wrote: > First, keep the longer release interval in place, whatever you > all think that should be (6 mos., a year, whatever). Then, simply > designate on a regular basis (monthly, bimonthly, whatever) some > source-snap to be an entirely unofficial subrelease (is > "point-release" the lingo?). It should probably be a couple weeks > old at least, one that seems to have the best combo. of bug fixes > vs. new bugs caused by them. A nice idea in theory, but in practice the logistics would probably be a bit problematic. > This way, the regular development cycle can be preserved. > Dummies (like me ;-), though, would have a means for being quite > reasonably sure that such "stable-snap" source would build into > a more stable system then what the last CD provides, and yet not > have to follow the day-to-day developments with freebsd-stable. A given snapshot may have the best combo of "bug fixes" vs "new bugs" in Jordan's opinion on Jordan's systems, but that isn't going to be much consolation to someone who blindly (ie, "without having to follow freebsd-stable"...) picks it up and is badly hit by one of those new bugs. One problem is that you're thinking of "stability" as a single value for all users, and that's not true. One snapshot may be "wonderfully stable" for single-CPU machines, for instance, but have a serious problem in it for multi-cpu configs. Or it would be great for everything except people using 'softupdates'. The difficultly is that you're hoping for something that someone can pick up and use without thinking too much about it. To do that requires some testing and legwork, and once you have the FreeBSD project doing that legwork then they might as well do the legwork for a real release. Just my opinion... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 16:55:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu (mail1.its.rpi.edu [128.113.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B385B14D09 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:55:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA141372; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:57:15 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Sender: drosih@pop1.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19990313042700.C24467@best.com> References: <32125.921321982@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Sat, Mar 13, 1999 at 02:46:22AM -0800 <32125.921321982@zippy.cdrom.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:56:04 -0500 To: "Jan B. Koum " , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 4:27 AM -0800 3/13/99, Jan B. Koum wrote: > Doing the nasty thing and switching subject: > Is it just me, or is it now that we have 3.x and 4.x most of > the bug fixes in 4.x never make it back into 3.x? Note that there is another short thread in freebsd-current about a mixup in the cvs-repository, such that parts of the 3.1-STABLE snapshots were showing up with the source for 3.1-RELEASE. Since 3.1-RELEASE would not be changing (one hopes!:-), then maybe that is what you were seeing? Jordan mentioned that he has fixed part of this problem on Saturday, and the snapshots will be correct once he gets past a different problem with the snapshot machine... --- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 17: 6:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ice.winterzone.com (ice.winterzone.com [209.98.6.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1866314D24 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:06:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jstock@winterzone.com) Received: from localhost (jstock@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ice.winterzone.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA19333 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:06:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jstock@winterzone.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:06:03 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy L. Stock" X-Sender: jstock@localhost To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Does gdbm still work?? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried installing from the port and a straight compile and I can't link with -lgdbm nor is it detected by some configure scripts I've tried. I'm not sure but it looks like libgdbm may still be aout. Any hope of it being usable soon, or suggestions and to what I may be doing wrong? -- Jeremy L. Stock To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 17:36:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aloha.cc.columbia.edu (aloha.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB500150F5 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:36:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (dialup-9-2.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.206]) by aloha.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA25510; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EDB497.C69FD547@confusion.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:07 -0500 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Somers Cc: Kazutaka YOKOTA , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Although those in other nations have been on a lag schedule for releases, that just means they'd get the 3.2 CDs later than those of us in the US, so they'd have the same spacing. I'm all for a 3.2, since my pitiful 33.6 modem makes CVSUP and the like a major chore. Remember, people don't HAVE to buy the CD, but it seems that it'd be worth it for those of us who prefer to, so I'd say May 1st is a good date for 3.2. That would put them in the UK about halfway thru may if the lag holds its consistency, that's halfway to june already anyway. Just my .02 cents (that's right 2 hundreths of a cent, I don't have much to spare) Brian Somers wrote: > > The 3.1-RELEASE is only one month old and users are just starting to > > install it on their machines. We have had a bunch of initial > > problem/bug reports, and I expect more complaints/reports/suggestions > > will come in the next few weeks. We shall need a bit of time to sort > > these things out... > > > > I would suggest June 1st. > > I agree. The 3.1 discs just arrived in the UK last Saturday. > > > Kazu > > -- > Brian > > Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 17:55:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F38C15039 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:54:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (tnt8-216-180-15-213.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.15.213]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA06465; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:53:59 -0600 (CST) Received: from nospam.hiwaay.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nospam.hiwaay.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA73831; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:53:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net) Message-Id: <199903160153.TAA73831@nospam.hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Mail Handler Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: Can't get current directory on login In-reply-to: Message from Mail Handler of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:05:33 EST." <3.0.5.32.19990315120533.0226cda0@pop.channel1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:53:50 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mail Handler writes: > Hi Folks -- > > Here's a strange (to me) login/permissions issue, which seems > to center on the boundary of usr / homes. On login, pwd doesn't > work until a simple "cd" is issued; then it's fine, but ls > can't read across the /usr/homes/ partition (ls ../.. fails). [...] > Permissions: > drwxr-xr-x 23 root wheel 1024 Mar 15 00:02 ./ > drwxr-xr-x 19 root wheel 512 Mar 12 14:33 usr/ > drwxr-xr-x 3759 root wheel 66048 Mar 8 16:23 homes/ > drwx------ 6 username guest 512 Oct 24 12:11 username/ > > fstab: > /dev/sd0s1f /usr ufs rw 1 2 > /dev/sd0s1g /usr/homes ufs rw,nosuid 1 2 Have you been playing with root's umask? Or possibly changed the default permissions after creating the /usr/homes directory but before you mounted /usr/homes on top? Umount /usr/homes and look at the permissions of the /usr/homes directory when a filesystem isn't mounted on top of it. You need at least world execute, maybe world read too, I forget. If that's not the problem then umount /usr and check the same there. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@nospam.hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 18: 3:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bilbo.w-link.net (bilbo.w-link.net [206.98.114.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBCF1509E for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from montess@w-link.net) Received: from w-link.net (dhcp154-dsl-bvi4-s2.w-link.net [208.170.200.154]) by bilbo.w-link.net (8.9.0/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29810 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:05:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36EDBCD0.4BBD72EE@w-link.net> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:07:12 -0800 From: TaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 19:11: 4 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94898150C9 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01179; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:09:44 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06707; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:09:10 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903160309.DAA06707@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Laurence Berland Cc: Brian Somers , Kazutaka YOKOTA , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:07 EST." <36EDB497.C69FD547@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:09:09 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Although those in other nations have been on a lag schedule for releases, > that just means they'd get the 3.2 CDs later than those of us in the US, so > they'd have the same spacing. I'm all for a 3.2, since my pitiful 33.6 [.....] But there's only half the feedback before the next release cutoff (given that half the world will have to wait ~1 month for the discs to arrive). > -- > Laurence Berland, Stuyvesant HS Debate > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > Windows 98: n. > useless extension to a minor patch release for > 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a > 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system > originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, > written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for > 1 bit of competition. > http://stuy.debate.net > icq #7434346 aol imer E1101 -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 19:19:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.bby.com.au (ns.bby.com.au [192.83.119.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A42A14BF6 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:19:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by fw.bby.com.au (8.8.8/8.6.9) id OAA04955; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:19:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au(192.168.71.20) via SMTP by fw.bby.com.au, id smtpd004953; Tue Mar 16 03:19:02 1999 Received: from lightning (lightning [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11790; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:19:01 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <199903160319.OAA11790@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: Brian Somers Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:09:09 -0000. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:19:01 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, my 3.1 disks arrived yesterday and at least geographically I'm about as far away as you can get! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 19:51:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web.wilinfosys.com (unknown [199.78.38.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C0E150B1 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@branjess.com) Received: from localhost (tom@localhost) by web.wilinfosys.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06665 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:49:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tom@branjess.com) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:49:37 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Sherrod X-Sender: tom@web.wilinfosys.com To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: upgrading from 2.2.8 stable to 3.1 stable... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've done this now on 2 separate machines. Couple of things I noticed. 1) when/why did the passwd size/struc change? Both times after the upgrade I couldn't get in until rebuilding the password file. 2) when I built one with a generic kernel, boot -cv to fix things, upon rebooting it lost everything. I saw this mentioned a while back and thought it was fixed. Now, what finally prompted me to post is one machine is returning: > w w: /dev//tosher: No such file or directory 10:38PM up 9 hrs, 4 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.11, 0.14 and > uptime uptime: /dev//tosher: No such file or directory 10:45PM up 9:06, 4 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.17, 0.17 I've used mergmaster on this one and wondering where I may have went wrong in a config file possibly? I have no idea where it's getting /dev//tosher. tosher is my id of course. Some background is both systems were upgraded via cvsupping srcs and using Ruslan Ermilov suggested build information. (http://www.ucb.crimea.ua/~ru/FreeBSD/30upgrade.html) Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 19:56: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from po.mctv.ne.jp (unknown [210.167.176.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64264150B3 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from teru0928@mctv.ne.jp) Received: from mctv.ne.jp (z57061.mctv.ne.jp [210.228.57.61]) by po.mctv.ne.jp (8.9.1/3.7W12/16/98) with ESMTP id MAA04605 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:55:02 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36EDD793.E0684B@mctv.ne.jp> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:01:23 +0900 From: Terushige Kohama X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [ja] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCTDVCahsoQg==?=) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable subscribe cvs-all teru0928@mctv.ne.jp Terushige Kohama To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 20:24:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woodstock.monkey.net (zanak-2-58.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.93.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6684F1511A for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:24:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamilton@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woodstock.monkey.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BBF61; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:23:55 -0600 (CST) To: Tom Sherrod Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: upgrading from 2.2.8 stable to 3.1 stable... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:49:37 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:23:55 -0600 From: Jon Hamilton Message-Id: <19990316042356.09BBF61@woodstock.monkey.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , Tom Sh errod wrote: } I've done this now on 2 separate machines. } Couple of things I noticed. } 1) when/why did the passwd size/struc change? Both times after the } upgrade I couldn't get in until rebuilding the password file. Usernames in 3.0 and onward are allowed to be > 8 characters. } Now, what finally prompted me to post is one machine is returning: } > w } w: /dev//tosher: No such file or directory } 10:38PM up 9 hrs, 4 users, load averages: 0.02, 0.11, 0.14 } } and } > uptime } uptime: /dev//tosher: No such file or directory } 10:45PM up 9:06, 4 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.17, 0.17 } } I've used mergmaster on this one and wondering where I may have went wrong } in a config file possibly? I have no idea where it's getting } /dev//tosher. tosher is my id of course. You have to rebuild everything that touches utmp - of course login and friends have already been done by the buildworld, but if you're running X you'll have to rebuild that (or at least xterm, rxvt, or whatever you're using as a terminal emulator), if it writes a utmp record. Other likely candidates are screen and ftpd if you have installed the wu-ftpd port. -- Jon Hamilton hamilton@pobox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 20:49:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailbox1.ucsd.edu (mailbox1.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16481150BB for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:49:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rjdawes@physics.ucsd.edu) Received: from physics.ucsd.edu (huntington.ucsd.edu [132.239.73.96]) by mailbox1.ucsd.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA00427; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:49:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost by physics.ucsd.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA19793; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:47:45 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: "Richard J. Dawes" X-Sender: rjdawes@huntington Reply-To: Richard Dawes To: Garance A Drosihn Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: An Idea [was "What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date?"] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not aware what are the "logistics" involved. But I do see how the diversity of configurations and hardware could lead to diffi- culties. (I run SMP myself.) But that's why I was trying for a "keep it simple", "unofficial" approach. If some people have different problems than Jordan, or whoever might make such decisions as I suggested... well, that's the main reason this mailing list exists, isn't it? Having to address important out- standing issues in the sphere of one's own systems is clearly a case where a close tracking of STABLE (with contributions, of course!) is necessitated. In any case, I would hope (as do you, I sure) that, over a one or two month period, the general state of STABLE improves somewhat, for just about any configuration. My idea, in a nutshell, is to give people easier access to that level of improvement, in general, with very minimal fuss on anyone's part, and without disrupting the normal cycle of releases. If there be caveats, then just state them openly in Readme form. Anyway, I openly acknowledge that my view of things is too primitive. (Hopefully this will change over time.) Sorry for persist- ing in the face of your gentle response. I won't waste any more band- width on this. --Rich On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 1:09 PM -0800 3/15/99, Richard J. Dawes wrote: > > First, keep the longer release interval in place, whatever you > > all think that should be (6 mos., a year, whatever). Then, simply > > designate on a regular basis (monthly, bimonthly, whatever) some > > source-snap to be an entirely unofficial subrelease (is > > "point-release" the lingo?). It should probably be a couple weeks > > old at least, one that seems to have the best combo. of bug fixes > > vs. new bugs caused by them. > > A nice idea in theory, but in practice the logistics would probably > be a bit problematic. > > > This way, the regular development cycle can be preserved. > > Dummies (like me ;-), though, would have a means for being quite > > reasonably sure that such "stable-snap" source would build into > > a more stable system then what the last CD provides, and yet not > > have to follow the day-to-day developments with freebsd-stable. > > A given snapshot may have the best combo of "bug fixes" vs "new > bugs" in Jordan's opinion on Jordan's systems, but that isn't > going to be much consolation to someone who blindly (ie, "without > having to follow freebsd-stable"...) picks it up and is badly > hit by one of those new bugs. > > One problem is that you're thinking of "stability" as a single > value for all users, and that's not true. One snapshot may be > "wonderfully stable" for single-CPU machines, for instance, but > have a serious problem in it for multi-cpu configs. Or it would > be great for everything except people using 'softupdates'. > > The difficultly is that you're hoping for something that someone > can pick up and use without thinking too much about it. To do > that requires some testing and legwork, and once you have the > FreeBSD project doing that legwork then they might as well do > the legwork for a real release. > > Just my opinion... > > --- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or drosih@rpi.edu > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ======================================== Richard J. Dawes rdawes@ucsd.edu ======================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 20:58:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F571511C; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:57:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carl@xena.aipo.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id PAA10634; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:56:49 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au: smap set sender to using -f Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.18) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma010622; Tue, 16 Mar 99 15:56:24 +1100 Received: from xena.ipaustralia.gov.au (disc-6-82.aipo.gov.au [10.0.6.82]) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA66417; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:56:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.aipo.gov.au) Message-ID: <36EDE48F.1101F764@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:56:47 +1100 From: Carl Makin Reply-To: carl@xena.aipo.gov.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Softupdates and CCD (was: Vinum questions?) References: <19990312133024.005687@relay.skynet.be> <19990312144140.011407@relay.skynet.be> <19990313085234.D429@lemis.com> <36ED921D.C9BF2840@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> <19990316100252.Q429@lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 16 March 1999 at 10:05:01 +1100, Carl Makin wrote: > >> On Friday, 12 March 1999 at 14:41:40 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > >>> experience with running a softupdates filesystem on top of a vinum > >>> striped/concatenated volume, do you? Am I dreaming in hoping that > > I'm running softupdates on a CCD stripe. I found it worked when I > > enabled softupdates on the 2 slices making up the CCD individually. I > > couldn't enable it on the CCD itself. > This doesn't work. You should be able to enable softupdates on the > ccd, but enabling it on the components makes no difference at all. > The fact that you can do it is a bug allowed by the fact that ccd > requires a 4.2BSD type partition. I just tried again and this time it worked. I must have been doing something wrong before. FWIW enabling softupdates on the components ran for over a week with a reasonable load and no visible problems. It was probably just completely useless! :) Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Mar 15 21:47:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB7614DE5; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:47:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA13398; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:17:16 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id QAA66624; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:17:14 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990316161714.E429@lemis.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:17:14 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Softupdates and CCD (was: Vinum questions?) References: <19990312133024.005687@relay.skynet.be> <19990312144140.011407@relay.skynet.be> <19990313085234.D429@lemis.com> <36ED921D.C9BF2840@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> <19990316100252.Q429@lemis.com> <36EDE48F.1101F764@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36EDE48F.1101F764@xena.ipaustralia.gov.au>; from Carl Makin on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 03:56:47PM +1100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 16 March 1999 at 15:56:47 +1100, Carl Makin wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 16 March 1999 at 10:05:01 +1100, Carl Makin wrote: > >>>> On Friday, 12 March 1999 at 14:41:40 +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > >>>>> experience with running a softupdates filesystem on top of a vinum >>>>> striped/concatenated volume, do you? Am I dreaming in hoping that > >>> I'm running softupdates on a CCD stripe. I found it worked when I >>> enabled softupdates on the 2 slices making up the CCD individually. I >>> couldn't enable it on the CCD itself. > >> This doesn't work. You should be able to enable softupdates on the >> ccd, but enabling it on the components makes no difference at all. >> The fact that you can do it is a bug allowed by the fact that ccd >> requires a 4.2BSD type partition. > > I just tried again and this time it worked. I must have been doing > something wrong before. FWIW enabling softupdates on the components ran > for over a week with a reasonable load and no visible problems. That doesn't surprise me. I'd guess that it also showed no visible difference in performance. > It was probably just completely useless! :) Right. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 2:34:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from spiral.inspiral.net (spiral.inspiral.net [194.204.12.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEC415199 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 02:34:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@spiral.inspiral.net) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by spiral.inspiral.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00587 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from root@spiral.inspiral.net) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:33:39 +0200 (EET) From: Charlie ROOT To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: SONY SDT-7000 problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi I'm having problems with hanging SONY DDS-2 drive on Mar 11 3.1-STABLE. Earlyer I have used only HP DDS2/3 drives and have had no problems. Could anyone comment on this ? TIA The relevant info: ahc0: rev 0x01 int a irq 10 on pci0.12.0 ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) Errors: (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): WRITE(06). CDB: a 0 0 28 0 0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:2800 asc:44,0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): WRITE FILEMARKS. CDB: 10 0 0 0 2 0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:2 asc:44,0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): failure at writing filemarks - opting for safety (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): REWIND. CDB: 1 0 0 0 0 0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:44,0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): LOAD UNLOAD. CDB: 1b 0 0 0 0 0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:44,0 (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 3:47:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oak.fernuni-hagen.de (oak.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.114.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45E815188 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 03:47:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritz.heinrichmeyer@FernUni-Hagen.de) Received: from fernuni-hagen.de (actually jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de) by oak.fernuni-hagen.de via local-channel with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:46:28 +0100 Message-ID: <36EE448C.DB1CE991@fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:46:20 +0100 From: "F. Heinrichmeyer" Organization: FernUni in Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: joliet patches Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it safe to use joliet patches under freebsd-stable? Will they be integrated in the 3.1-Release? -- Fritz Heinrichmeyer mailto:fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de FernUniversitaet Hagen, LG Elektronische Schaltungen, 58084 Hagen (Germany) tel:+49 2331/987-1166 fax:987-355 http://ES-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh PGP fingerprint (mail for key): 160BDF84 3F2F63C0 5CA20D31 3E42D116 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 4:13:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E949014E51 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:09:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (garatu [158.227.6.222]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA06631 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:25 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36EE49E6.614E91B9@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:09:10 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del Pais Vasco - Dept. de Electricidad y Electronica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: mirroring disks: ccd or vinum? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am going to set up my first mirror device under FreeBSD. My question is: what should I use: ccd or vinum? Reliability and stability are important in this case. -- JMA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del País Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 4:59:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oak.fernuni-hagen.de (oak.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.114.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073A155A2 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 04:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritz.heinrichmeyer@FernUni-Hagen.de) Received: from fernuni-hagen.de (actually jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de) by oak.fernuni-hagen.de via local-channel with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:58:24 +0100 Message-ID: <36EE556E.70A65AF2@fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:58:22 +0100 From: "F. Heinrichmeyer" Organization: FernUni in Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: joliet patches for 2.2.8 changed to work with 3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now i have joliet support for 3.1 but no patches as i have no second source tree ... Maybe someone could assist me ... -- Fritz Heinrichmeyer mailto:fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de FernUniversitaet Hagen, LG Elektronische Schaltungen, 58084 Hagen (Germany) tel:+49 2331/987-1166 fax:987-355 http://ES-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh PGP fingerprint (mail for key): 160BDF84 3F2F63C0 5CA20D31 3E42D116 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 5:35:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oak.fernuni-hagen.de (oak.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.114.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A33151D9 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 05:35:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritz.heinrichmeyer@FernUni-Hagen.de) Received: from fernuni-hagen.de (actually jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de) by oak.fernuni-hagen.de via local-channel with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:34:43 +0100 Message-ID: <36EE5DF0.E22D5B8D@fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:34:40 +0100 From: "F. Heinrichmeyer" Organization: FernUni in Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh/FreeBSD_Documentation/3.1-joliet.patch.tar.gz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 6:24:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF67315416 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id XAA04826; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:23:32 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36EE5C31.814A0BE7@newsguy.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 22:27:13 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "F. Heinrichmeyer" Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: joliet patches References: <36EE448C.DB1CE991@fernuni-hagen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "F. Heinrichmeyer" wrote: > > Is it safe to use joliet patches under freebsd-stable? > Will they be integrated in the 3.1-Release? Well, they'll obviously *not* be integrated in 3.1-RELEASE, since that was already released. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "What happened?" "It moved, sir!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 6:28:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from news.third-rail.net (mail2.third-rail.net [208.153.2.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7A115433 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 06:28:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from psion@geekspace.com) Received: from geekspace.com ([208.153.2.11]) by news.third-rail.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-44653U100L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA229 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:24:42 -0500 Message-ID: <36EE6A82.BBAB350B@geekspace.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:28:18 -0500 From: Chris Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Instability after buildworld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsuped the latest 3.1-stable sources and left a make -j4 buildworld running overnight on a box running 3.?-stable, upgraded from 2.2.8 (aout-to-elf) somewhere between when 3.0 went stable and 3.1-RELEASE was available..When I came in this morning, the box had become unstable, everything started exiting on signal 11 (first a bunch of my xterms, then inetd, finally getty, at which point I had to power down the box 'cause I couldn't log in).. This seems strange when all I did was build the world, not install it..I'm installing now, I guess we'll see what happens. Any clues? I've been tracking FreeBSD-stable with 1-3 machines on and off for 2 years now, and this the first time I've ever had one go wonky on me like that.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 8:52:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from iglou.com (iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFD61540E for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:51:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrick@cre8tivegroup.com) Received: from [204.255.227.145] (helo=gateway.cre8tivegroup.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.1/8.9.1) id 10Mx3R-0002vE-00; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:50:58 -0500 Content-Length: 742 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36EE5DF0.E22D5B8D@fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:50:48 -0000 (GMT) From: Patrick Gardella To: "F. Heinrichmeyer" , To: "F. Heinrichmeyer" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16-Mar-99 F. Heinrichmeyer wrote: > http://es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh/FreeBSD_Documentation/3.1-joliet.patch.tar. > gz Help me out here (so I can better understand the FreeBSD development system)... Why haven't these been committed to the source? Are they still to unstable to be used? Patches have been in existance since 11/14/97 (pr kern/5038). Is this becuase no one has the time, or no one wants to commit the patches until they know they don't break anything else? No blame is being intended. I'm just curious... --- Patrick S. Gardella Director of Web Development The Creative Group 1-800-804-0783 ext 29 606-858-8029 (fax) http://www.cre8tivegroup.com PGP Key ID 0xEE2D47A9 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 9:19:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E014514CC1 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:19:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 10MxR8-00013v-00; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:15:26 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mirroring disks: ccd or vinum? In-Reply-To: <36EE49E6.614E91B9@we.lc.ehu.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > I am going to set up my first mirror device under FreeBSD. My > question is: what should I use: ccd or vinum? Reliability > and stability are important in this case. If reliability is most important, don't use either, but no software solution can protect against boot disk failure. > -- JMA > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jos=E9 M=AA Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es > Universidad del Pa=EDs Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG > Dpto. de Electricidad y Electr=F3nica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose > Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 > 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >=20 >=20 Tom Systems Support Uniserve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 10:22:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2606C151D2 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:22:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (garatu [158.227.6.222]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA08643 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:21:43 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36EEA133.C3A4981E@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:21:39 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del Pais Vasco - Dept. de Electricidad y Electronica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mirroring disks: ccd or vinum? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Tom wrote: > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > > > I am going to set up my first mirror device under FreeBSD. My > > question is: what should I use: ccd or vinum? Reliability > > and stability are important in this case. > > If reliability is most important, don't use either, but no software > solution can protect against boot disk failure. > OK, I already knew that :-) Perhaps my question was not clear enough. I _decided_ to set up a disk mirror (I have good reasons, trust me). Relability and stability are, in this particular case, _more_ important _than_ other factors such as speed. Then, what is the better solution: vinum or ccd? TIA, -- JMA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- José Mª Alcaide | mailto:jose@we.lc.ehu.es Universidad del País Vasco | mailto:jmas@es.FreeBSD.ORG Dpto. de Electricidad y Electrónica | http://www.we.lc.ehu.es/~jose Facultad de Ciencias - Campus de Lejona | Tel.: +34-946012479 48940 Lejona (Vizcaya) - SPAIN | Fax: +34-944858139 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Go ahead... make my day." - H. Callahan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 10:49:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kiev.sovam.com (kiev.sovam.com [194.186.143.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248F3152BC for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:49:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doka@kiev.sovam.com) Received: from doka (helo=localhost) by kiev.sovam.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10MytY-00045y-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:48:52 +0200 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:48:52 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Litovka Reply-To: doka@triton.kiev.sovam.com To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Patrick Gardella wrote: > Subject: RE: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE What is Joilet Filesystem? Where is description available? Thank you. -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Litovka, hostmaster of Sovam Teleport Kiev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 11: 2: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from polio.ecst.csuchico.edu (polio.ecst.csuchico.edu [132.241.4.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAF3A14D9C for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:01:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from manek@ecst.csuchico.edu) Received: (qmail 15774 invoked by uid 21024); 16 Mar 1999 11:01:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:01:40 -0800 (PST) From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: Vladimir Litovka Cc: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Vladimir Litovka wrote: > Hi! > > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Patrick Gardella wrote: > > > Subject: RE: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE > > What is Joilet Filesystem? Where is description available? > It is a microsoft extension, to allow for long filenames. They made two extensions, one is called Romeo, and the other is Joilet. I believe Romeo can only be read from win9x, while Joilet can be read from dos/win9x. A lot of cdr software by default record as joilet over te plain old iso9660, which makes it a real pain if you record cds, you intend to use in both platforms. Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 11:50: 0 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E0615161 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:49:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id LAA18603 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:49:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 11:49:40 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: An Idea [was "What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date?"] Message-ID: <19990316114940.A18569@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <199903151103.AA17270@waltz.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Richard J. Dawes on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 01:09:53PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It would be good for us if /sbin/dhclient can be hooked up in sysinstall for 3.2-R. I took a quick shot at it, but Mike Smith had a more elequent way than I did -- so I think this is a JKH issue (at least the design). :-) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 12: 7:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBD414FCE for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id UAA29142; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:46:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id TAA00781; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:02:37 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199903161802.TAA00781@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: SONY SDT-7000 problems In-Reply-To: from Charlie ROOT at "Mar 16, 99 12:33:39 pm" To: root@spiral.inspiral.net (Charlie ROOT) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:02:37 +0100 (CET) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-hardware@yedi.iaf.nl X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Charlie ROOT wrote... > I'm having problems with hanging SONY DDS-2 drive on Mar 11 3.1-STABLE. > Earlyer I have used only HP DDS2/3 drives and have had no problems. > Could anyone comment on this ? > > TIA > > The relevant info: > > ahc0: rev 0x01 int a irq 10 on pci0.12.0 > ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs > sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 15) > > Errors: > > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): WRITE(06). CDB: a 0 0 28 0 0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:2800 asc:44,0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): WRITE FILEMARKS. CDB: 10 0 0 0 2 0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE info:2 asc:44,0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): failure at writing filemarks - opting for safety > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): REWIND. CDB: 1 0 0 0 0 0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:44,0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): LOAD UNLOAD. CDB: 1b 0 0 0 0 0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): HARDWARE FAILURE asc:44,0 > (sa0:ahc0:0:6:0): Internal target failure Seems obvious to me: broken hardware (unless the drive is lying). Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 12:21:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A5E150A6 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 12:21:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id UAA29139; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:46:12 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id SAA00733; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:59:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199903161759.SAA00733@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> from Brian Somers at "Mar 15, 99 06:45:08 pm" To: brian@Awfulhak.org (Brian Somers) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:59:06 +0100 (CET) Cc: yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Brian Somers wrote... > > The 3.1-RELEASE is only one month old and users are just starting to > > install it on their machines. We have had a bunch of initial > > problem/bug reports, and I expect more complaints/reports/suggestions > > will come in the next few weeks. We shall need a bit of time to sort > > these things out... > > > > I would suggest June 1st. > > I agree. The 3.1 discs just arrived in the UK last Saturday. And last week here in Holland for a friend of mine who has a WC subscription for them Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 13: 2:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bamf.demon.co.uk (bamf.demon.co.uk [158.152.173.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43CDE14EF9 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:01:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rich@dynamite.org) Received: from clyde (unverified [192.168.1.2]) by clyde.chugaboom.net (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:59:08 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Rich Wood" Organization: dynamite.org To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:59:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Reply-To: rich@dynamite.org In-reply-to: <199903161759.SAA00733@yedi.iaf.nl> References: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> from Brian Somers at "Mar 15, 99 06:45:08 pm" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.02b14) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 16 Mar 99, at 18:59, Wilko Bulte wrote: > And last week here in Holland for a friend of mine who has a WC subscription > for them Talking of subscriptions, issuing releases too often may put people off subscriptions as it could start to get expensive. As people have pointed out, it takes a while to distribute CD's, as it stands, if 3.2 was to be released on May 1st, it would give 3.1-RELEASE a useable life of about 6 weeks[1] before 3.2-RELEASE was `created`. I'm not saying that we should hold off on 3.2 just because 3.1 is still new, but I feel there must be a compelling reason (major security fix, important new features etc.) to release it so soon after people get their 3.1 CD's. [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 Rich -- rich@dynamite.org If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 13:37:35 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31561151FC for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:37:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.1/8.8.8) id NAA13360; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:37:14 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda13358; Tue Mar 16 13:36:56 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA08893; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:36:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903162136.NAA08893@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdps8887; Tue Mar 16 13:36:25 1999 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cschuber To: rich@dynamite.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 20:59:07 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 13:36:25 -0800 From: Cy Schubert Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , "Rich Wood" writes: > On 16 Mar 99, at 18:59, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > And last week here in Holland for a friend of mine who has a WC subscriptio > n > > for them > > Talking of subscriptions, issuing releases too often may put people off > subscriptions as it could start to get expensive. > > As people have pointed out, it takes a while to distribute CD's, as it > stands, if 3.2 was to be released on May 1st, it would give 3.1-RELEASE a > useable life of about 6 weeks[1] before 3.2-RELEASE was `created`. > > I'm not saying that we should hold off on 3.2 just because 3.1 is still > new, but I feel there must be a compelling reason (major security fix, > important new features etc.) to release it so soon after people get their > 3.1 CD's. > > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 I agree that this might be generally true, however I understand that there are a lot of fixes that have gone into 3.1 since its release. If this is a "once in a blue moon" event, I don't think people would mind. I wouldn't mind getting all of the fixes. > > Rich > > -- > rich@dynamite.org > If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Open Systems Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 14:29:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from foobar.franken.de (foobar.franken.de [194.94.249.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84698151CA for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:29:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from logix@foobar.franken.de) Received: (from logix@localhost) by foobar.franken.de (8.8.8/8.8.5) id XAA09429; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:27:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <19990316232720.A9220@foobar.franken.de> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:27:20 +0100 From: Harold Gutch To: Patrick Gardella , "F. Heinrichmeyer" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: here are the patched files for Joliet-FS and 3.1-RELEASE References: <36EE5DF0.E22D5B8D@fernuni-hagen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: ; from Patrick Gardella on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 11:50:48AM -0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 11:50:48AM -0000, Patrick Gardella wrote: > On 16-Mar-99 F. Heinrichmeyer wrote: > > http://es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh/FreeBSD_Documentation/3.1-joliet.patch.tar. > > gz > > Why haven't these been committed to the source? Are they still to unstable to > be used? Patches have been in existance since 11/14/97 (pr kern/5038). Is > this becuase no one has the time, or no one wants to commit the patches until > they know they don't break anything else? > My patches for 2.2 in fact _do_ break something; if you mount a "hybrid CD", that is, a CD with joliet and rockridge extensions (created with mkhybrid for example), you will get the joliet extensions, which have certain limitations like a maximum filenamelength of 64 chars. I haven't checked wether these 3.1 files are based on my 2.2 patches (which originally were based on some patches for what was 3.0-CURRENT back then ;) ), but if they are, I guess that they will have the same problems. bye, Harold -- Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein. Wed Mar 4 04:53:33 CET 1998 #unix, ircnet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 15:25: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307E815004 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:24:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16184 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:24:39 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <199903162136.NAA08893@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Cy Schubert wrote: > In message , "Rich Wood" writes: > > On 16 Mar 99, at 18:59, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > And last week here in Holland for a friend of mine who has a WC subscriptio > > n > > > for them > > > > Talking of subscriptions, issuing releases too often may put people off > > subscriptions as it could start to get expensive. > > > > As people have pointed out, it takes a while to distribute CD's, as it > > stands, if 3.2 was to be released on May 1st, it would give 3.1-RELEASE a > > useable life of about 6 weeks[1] before 3.2-RELEASE was `created`. > > > > I'm not saying that we should hold off on 3.2 just because 3.1 is still > > new, but I feel there must be a compelling reason (major security fix, > > important new features etc.) to release it so soon after people get their > > 3.1 CD's. > > > > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 > > I agree that this might be generally true, however I understand > that there are a lot of fixes that have gone into 3.1 since its > release. If this is a "once in a blue moon" event, I don't think > people would mind. I wouldn't mind getting all of the fixes. The only problem is, this won't be a one-time thing. As soon as we release 3.2, we'll probably immediately fix 50 more things we wished were in the release, and start wishing 3.3 were out. Nothing is perfect. Its just a fact of life. We might as well just release 3.2 on whatever schedule it would have been released normally. At least then we will more than likely have a few more fixes in there than if we released it earlier. No matter how we look at it, it sure beats the once-every-three-or-four-years releases we see with things like Windows. :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) ( http://www.freebsd.org ) */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 15:47:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cscfx.sytex.com (cscfx.sytex.com [205.147.190.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4B56014C37 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:47:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rwc@cscfx.sytex.com) Received: (from rwc@localhost) by cscfx.sytex.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA06322 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:42:42 -0500 From: Richard Cramer Message-Id: <199903162342.SAA06322@cscfx.sytex.com> Subject: user land PPP in 2.2.8 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:42:41 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: rcramer@sytex.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 407 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is anyone having a problem with routing in userland PPP in v2.2.8? Dialup works, route table appears to be correct, but yet I can not ping (transit) to the outside world. there is both a host and a default route to the other side of the PPP connedtion. PPP on earlier versions I have not had a problem with. This is on 2.2.8R which I have just loaded via FTP. Any thought would be appreciated, Dick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 16: 0:20 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A855150F8 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:59:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id QAA24821; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:09 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199903162358.QAA24821@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? To: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:09 -0700 (MST) Cc: rich@dynamite.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903162136.NAA08893@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> from Cy Schubert at "Mar 16, 99 01:36:25 pm" Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In message , "Rich Wood" writes: > I agree that this might be generally true, however I understand > that there are a lot of fixes that have gone into 3.1 since its > release. If this is a "once in a blue moon" event, I don't think > people would mind. I wouldn't mind getting all of the fixes. When Jordan changed the point numbering scheme, I thought it was to cover exactly the "we've got a bunch of bug fixes" event. That is, my understanding is that 3.1.1 (and maybe even a 3.1.2?) would be used for releases that had either a lot of simple bugs fixed, or maybe even one =very= bad bug fixed. Then 3.2 would be used for the regular 3-or-4-times-a-year releases that (we'd hope) contained improved functionality. So, my vote (assuming I've got one) would be for a 3.1.1-RELEASE now. There's no reason to force newbies just installing to have to seek out all the fixes we've already got. On the other hand (I'm a Libra, you know), I have sympathy for the folks who worry their subscriptions are gonna get expensive if we keep this up. So, a further proposal. We cut CDs only for those releases that bump the first or second digit. 3.1.1 now. 3.2 with CDs in May. > > Rich -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 16:11:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A10B15241; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:11:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@sunrise.cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com (sdx-ca37-45.ix.netcom.com [198.211.48.173]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08396; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:10:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) id OAA04354; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 14:36:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903162236.OAA04354@bubble.didi.com> To: grog@lemis.com Cc: carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au, blk@skynet.be, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <19990316100252.Q429@lemis.com> (message from Greg Lehey on Tue, 16 Mar 1999 10:02:52 +1030) Subject: Re: Softupdates and CCD (was: Vinum questions?) From: asami@freebsd.org (Satoshi Asami) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Greg Lehey * This doesn't work. You should be able to enable softupdates on the * ccd, but enabling it on the components makes no difference at all. You shouldn't be able to do that at all, unless there's still an old copy of a superblock that confuses tunefs or something. * The fact that you can do it is a bug allowed by the fact that ccd * requires a 4.2BSD type partition. This is irrelevant to this discussion -- ccd requires a partition with a disklabel entry of type "4.2BSD". It does not require a 4.2BSD (or whatever) filesystem to actually be in there. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 16:34:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574C3150B1 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA01449; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:33:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA00787; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:33:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 01:33:27 +0100 (CET) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Chris Dillon Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Probably you should stick to the original release time. Duplicators and poeple who live in far away places can allways cvs the fixes. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris Dillon wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > In message , "Rich Wood" writes: > > > On 16 Mar 99, at 18:59, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > > > And last week here in Holland for a friend of mine who has a WC subscriptio > > > n > > > > for them > > > > > > Talking of subscriptions, issuing releases too often may put people off > > > subscriptions as it could start to get expensive. > > > > > > As people have pointed out, it takes a while to distribute CD's, as it > > > stands, if 3.2 was to be released on May 1st, it would give 3.1-RELEASE a > > > useable life of about 6 weeks[1] before 3.2-RELEASE was `created`. > > > > > > I'm not saying that we should hold off on 3.2 just because 3.1 is still > > > new, but I feel there must be a compelling reason (major security fix, > > > important new features etc.) to release it so soon after people get their > > > 3.1 CD's. > > > > > > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 > > > > I agree that this might be generally true, however I understand > > that there are a lot of fixes that have gone into 3.1 since its > > release. If this is a "once in a blue moon" event, I don't think > > people would mind. I wouldn't mind getting all of the fixes. > > The only problem is, this won't be a one-time thing. As soon as we > release 3.2, we'll probably immediately fix 50 more things we wished > were in the release, and start wishing 3.3 were out. Nothing is > perfect. Its just a fact of life. We might as well just release 3.2 > on whatever schedule it would have been released normally. At least > then we will more than likely have a few more fixes in there than if > we released it earlier. > > No matter how we look at it, it sure beats the > once-every-three-or-four-years releases we see with things like > Windows. :-) > > > -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net > /* FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. > For Intel x86 and compatibles (SPARC and Alpha under development) > ( http://www.freebsd.org ) */ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 16:35:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CEBE14BF8; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:35:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@freebie.lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA17885; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:05:01 +1030 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) id LAA69001; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:05:00 +1030 (CST) Message-ID: <19990317110500.L429@lemis.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:05:00 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Satoshi Asami Cc: carl@xena.IPAustralia.gov.au, blk@skynet.be, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Softupdates and CCD (was: Vinum questions?) References: <19990316100252.Q429@lemis.com> <199903162236.OAA04354@bubble.didi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199903162236.OAA04354@bubble.didi.com>; from Satoshi Asami on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 02:36:15PM -0800 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday, 16 March 1999 at 14:36:15 -0800, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * From: Greg Lehey > > * This doesn't work. You should be able to enable softupdates on the > * ccd, but enabling it on the components makes no difference at all. > > You shouldn't be able to do that at all, unless there's still an old > copy of a superblock that confuses tunefs or something. Yes, that seems reasonable. > * The fact that you can do it is a bug allowed by the fact that ccd > * requires a 4.2BSD type partition. > > This is irrelevant to this discussion -- ccd requires a partition with > a disklabel entry of type "4.2BSD". It does not require a 4.2BSD (or > whatever) filesystem to actually be in there. Correct. But if ccd required its own partition type, you wouldn't be able to run tunefs on the ccd partition. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 17: 1:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au [202.14.186.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4C514C31; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:01:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from carl@xena.aipo.gov.au) Received: (from smap@localhost) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA23578; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:00:43 +1100 (EST) Received: from newton.aipo.gov.au(10.0.100.18) by pericles.IPAustralia.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma023574; Wed, 17 Mar 99 12:00:38 +1100 Received: from localhost (carl@localhost) by newton.aipo.gov.au (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA74058; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:00:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from carl@xena.aipo.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: newton.aipo.gov.au: carl owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:00:38 +1100 (EST) From: Carl Makin X-Sender: carl@newton.aipo.gov.au To: Satoshi Asami Cc: grog@lemis.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Softupdates and CCD (was: Vinum questions?) In-Reply-To: <199903162236.OAA04354@bubble.didi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Satoshi Asami wrote: > * From: Greg Lehey > * This doesn't work. You should be able to enable softupdates on the > * ccd, but enabling it on the components makes no difference at all. > You shouldn't be able to do that at all, unless there's still an old > copy of a superblock that confuses tunefs or something. There probably was as I had filesystems on those 2 drives, and just threw the CCD over them. (and then restored the filesystems into it) Interestingly enough though tunefs didn't throw an error disabling it either. Carl. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 17:26: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jeffnet.org (jeffnet.org [204.203.90.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58FD14DFC for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paula@jeffnet.org) Received: from ellie.my.domain (ip109.jeffnet.org [204.203.88.109]) by jeffnet.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA08569; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:25:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (papple@localhost) by ellie.my.domain (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00532; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:26:17 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: ellie.my.domain: papple owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:26:16 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Apple X-Sender: papple@ellie.my.domain To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <32125.921321982@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for asking. My $0.02: Not much. Ideally, I'd expect two and no more than three releases per year. Rahul Desi makes some very good points about having a quality product to deliver that can stand on its own for _at least_ six months before the next release. A number of things have been fixed since the release. So what. All that tells me is that 3.1 was released before it was ready. Is this next release you're talking about going to be a freebie like the 2.1.7 release? I've canceled prior cdrom subscriptions because the releases were coming far too often. It amounts to an abuse of the privilege of having my credit card number on file with Walnut Creek CDROM when a release is only good for a month and a half before the next one is on its way. Take all the fixes accumulated thus far, put 'em together with whatever wizardry and heavy magic that's being conjured currently and stamp out the new release 'round about mid-July. On Sat, 13 Mar 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > It's a little close on the heels of 3.1, but there have been a > significant number of things found and fixed in 3.1 that I'm almost > itching for a 3.1.1 at this point. Failing that, and I think a point > release would be just a bit overkill anyway, we can do 3.2 after a > reasonable minimum interval period and that would be, IMO, May 1st at > the earliest. > > Comments? > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 19:22: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pop.uniserve.com (pop.uniserve.com [204.244.156.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 844231531C for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:21:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from shell.uniserve.ca [204.244.186.218] by pop.uniserve.com with smtp (Exim 1.82 #4) id 10N6tj-0003eE-00; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:21:35 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 19:21:32 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@shell.uniserve.ca To: Rich Wood Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Rich Wood wrote: > As people have pointed out, it takes a while to distribute CD's, as it > stands, if 3.2 was to be released on May 1st, it would give 3.1-RELEASE a > useable life of about 6 weeks[1] before 3.2-RELEASE was `created`. ... > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 That doesn't quite make sense. If the 3.1 CD took a long time to get out to you, why would the 3.1 CD be delivered instantaneously? > Rich > > -- > rich@dynamite.org > If that's what they call normal, I'd rather be insane. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 23:30:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2477614D45 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:30:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12637 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:30:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Decision on the 3.2 release date. In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:58:09 MST." <199903162358.QAA24821@freebie.dcfinc.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:30:34 -0800 Message-ID: <12635.921655834@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks for all your feedback - if I was at all uncertain about which way to jump with this before, I think I no longer have any problem with that now. :-) We'll do 3.2 on schedule, that is to say at our usual (when things go right) quarterly interval - the 15th of June. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 23:36: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D735314F6A for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lva@dds.nl) Received: from ren (ut127003.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.127.3]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id IAA22369 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:35:46 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: From: "laurens van alphen" To: Subject: RE: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:35:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000001be7048$c5a147b0$0a0010ac@ren.craxx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199903162358.QAA24821@freebie.dcfinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All of this (non-quoted) is IMO: Rich wrote: > So, my vote (assuming I've got one) would be for a 3.1.1-RELEASE now. > There's no reason to force newbies just installing to have to seek out > all the fixes we've already got. > > On the other hand (I'm a Libra, you know), I have sympathy for the folks > who worry their subscriptions are gonna get expensive if we keep this > up. So, a further proposal. We cut CDs only for those releases that > bump the first or second digit. > > 3.1.1 now. 3.2 with CDs in May. Michael wrote: > Probably you should stick to the original release time. Duplicators and > poeple who live in far away places can allways cvs the fixes. Rich: you sure have a vote and i certainly give you one. To sum thing up: - We don't release 3.2 as yet, postpone until May. - Release 3.1.1 now but don't build the CD set. There are several reasons for this: - as pointed out by others people are just about to install their 3.1-R; - this will mean not all the fixed go into 3.1.1 since pr's for 3.1-R will be dripping in the next few weeks (that's why i (among others) feel 3.2 is really bad at this time - rememeber this is the -stable branche); - people will experience this shiny disc overload as a waste: too expensive and may cancel their subscription; - changes aren't that huge (are they?) so people will be able to CVSUP. One wish would be for proper documentation on what's fixed when (other than the pr database - or make it more accessable for regular (that is non- contributing) users. I won't go into details is this was just intended to be a trunover boost for WC because I feel it certainly not ;) Cheers, -- laurens van alphen, craxx alphen@craxx.com, http://craxx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 23:43:25 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oak.fernuni-hagen.de (oak.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.114.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B622C150D7 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:43:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fritz.heinrichmeyer@FernUni-Hagen.de) Received: from fernuni-hagen.de (actually jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de) by oak.fernuni-hagen.de via local-channel with ESMTP; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:42:59 +0100 Message-ID: <36EF5CFE.E5100608@fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:42:54 +0100 From: "F. Heinrichmeyer" Organization: FernUni in Hagen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: changed link to 3.1-joliet patch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I changed the name of the "tar.gz" archive containing the patched files, mentioned the source of my information and included a warning about using rockrigde CDs: http://es-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh/FreeBSD_Documentation/#joliet -- Fritz Heinrichmeyer mailto:fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de FernUniversitaet Hagen, LG Elektronische Schaltungen, 58084 Hagen (Germany) tel:+49 2331/987-1166 fax:987-355 http://ES-i2.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh PGP fingerprint (mail for key): 160BDF84 3F2F63C0 5CA20D31 3E42D116 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 23:51:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18B214E0D for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id IAA27914; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:50:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Laurence Berland Cc: Brian Somers , Kazutaka YOKOTA , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <36EDB497.C69FD547@confusion.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 17 Mar 1999 08:50:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: Laurence Berland's message of "Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:32:07 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Laurence Berland writes: > Although those in other nations have been on a lag schedule for releases, > that just means they'd get the 3.2 CDs later than those of us in the US, so > they'd have the same spacing. I'm all for a 3.2, since my pitiful 33.6 > modem makes CVSUP and the like a major chore. Pfft, cvsup shouldn't take more than ~10 minutes over 33k6. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 23:54:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rpm-2.rpm.or.jp (rpm-2.rpm.or.jp [210.157.236.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B636B151C9 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:54:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pon@rpm-2.rpm.or.jp) Received: from localhost (pon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rpm-2.rpm.or.jp (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA00814 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:05:45 +0900 Message-Id: <199903170805.RAA00814@rpm-2.rpm.or.jp> X-Authentication-Warning: rpm-2.rpm.or.jp: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.06 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:05:44 +0900 From: Tetsuo Ono Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable subscribe cvs-all To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Mar 16 23:57: 8 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC19C14D29 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:57:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12695; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Paul Apple Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:26:16 PST." Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 23:57:27 -0800 Message-ID: <12693.921657447@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Ideally, I'd expect two and no more than three releases per year. Erm, we've actually been committed to a quarterly release schedule for quite awhile now, as set down in numerous conversations both inside and outside the project. Please keep in mind that the kinds of releases we're talking about here are ones made from -stable, not -current, and if we're breaking the -stable tree more than 4 times a year then that's a process control problem that really needs to be fixed, not a flaw in our scheduling. I think 4 releases a year on a branch which is supposed to be dealt with *carefully* is not at all unreasonable, with perhaps the one "exception" being the "dot-zero" release. We always tell production people just stay the heck away from those and we mean that, the .0 releases being aimed more at the intrepid hacker types who are willing to deal with something that's at least a little less arbitrarily dangerous than -current (if for no other reason other than to give them a common reference point for general discussion and ERRATA). The feedback that our hacker users can give us ("you broke it!") is what we need to make the subsequent releases a little more end-user friendly. That's actually how the process seems to work for everyone these days - you think Microsoft is doing things any differently with their OS products? Hell, they're making people *pay* to be their BETA testers! Don't that beat all? :-) We simply have to make releases or the product would never get any better. A handful of programmers and a release engineer or two obviously cannot test the product to the extent that many thousands of users can, and people seem to be psychologically averse to snapshots (if you compare the download stats) and/or need CDROM media before they can participate in this process at all. If you want CDROM media available then it follows that somebody's gotta make those CDs and that somebody is going to have schedules of their own to meet if they want to make it all happen. To sum it up, a quarterly release schedule seems to work well, it is achievable (with occasional quirks still to be ironed out) and perhaps I simply need to simply codify what has always been common wisdom among those who've been around the FreeBSD project since the early years: If you want the very best FreeBSD on a branch, wait at least for the .5, this being true precisely because of the stepwise refinement afforded by the earlier releases. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 0: 7:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kiev.sovam.com (kiev.sovam.com [194.186.143.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DD4153A6 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:07:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doka@kiev.sovam.com) Received: from doka (helo=localhost) by kiev.sovam.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NBLp-0000EM-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:06:53 +0200 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:06:53 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Litovka Reply-To: doka@triton.kiev.sovam.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: STABLE-199903?? where? In-Reply-To: <36EF5CFE.E5100608@fernuni-hagen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Where I can get latest STABLE compilation? At ftp://releng3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386 the last is 19990227, but it is 0317 today :) I don't want to make cvsup & make world because it takes a lot of time; I always get ready system and install it. Is this possible now or not? Thank you. -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Litovka, hostmaster of Sovam Teleport Kiev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 0:14:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ihgw1.lucent.com (ihgw1.lucent.com [207.19.48.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AAEB154F9 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vissers@ihgw1.lucent.com) Received: from hzsgg01.nl.lucent.com by ihig1.firewall.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-L sol2) id CAA06680; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:16:40 -0600 Received: from lucent.com (hzsgp42.nl.lucent.com) by hzsgg01.nl.lucent.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09430; Wed, 17 Mar 99 09:14:16 +0100 Message-Id: <36EF6433.A2C8B702@lucent.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:13:39 +0100 From: Jos Vissers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,en-GB,en-US,nl,nl-BE Mime-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> from Brian Somers at "Mar 15, 99 06:45:08 pm" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rich Wood wrote: > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 I haven't seen any 3.1 cd set yet, and today is 17/03/1999. I live in the Netherlands, for those of us inside the USA, that's outside the USA ;-) Jos -- Jos Vissers vissers@lucent.com +31 (0)35 687 5302 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 0:14:50 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93A015500 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA28519; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:14:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Laurence Berland , Brian Somers , Kazutaka YOKOTA , "Jordan K. Hubbard" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <199903151845.SAA01089@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> <36EDB497.C69FD547@confusion.net> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 17 Mar 1999 09:14:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav's message of "17 Mar 1999 08:50:52 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Laurence Berland writes: > > Although those in other nations have been on a lag schedule for releases, > > that just means they'd get the 3.2 CDs later than those of us in the US, so > > they'd have the same spacing. I'm all for a 3.2, since my pitiful 33.6 > > modem makes CVSUP and the like a major chore. > Pfft, cvsup shouldn't take more than ~10 minutes over 33k6. Correction: 3 minutes, according to my CVSup mirror's logs. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 0:19:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B1D15355 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:19:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lva@dds.nl) Received: from ren (ut127003.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.127.3]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id JAA27756 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:19:25 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: From: "laurens van alphen" To: Subject: RE: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:19:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000201be704e$de809000$0a0010ac@ren.craxx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 > That doesn't quite make sense. If the 3.1 CD took a long time to get > out to you, why would the 3.1 CD be delivered instantaneously? I hope I get your point. But I certainly won't be installing version X if I knew version X+1 was already shipping (or will be shipping within a week or so). That does make sense IMHO. -- laurens van alphen, craxx alphen@craxx.com, http://craxx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 0:30:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D541914F16 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:30:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12849; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Gabriel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:10:41 EST." <199903150010.TAA11747@discover.laker.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:30:57 -0800 Message-ID: <12847.921659457@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I need to get the latest 2.2.8 snapshot. I noticed that releng3.freebsd.org's > directories are being reorganized and 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP is no longer There will be another one to replace it made, actually. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 2: 6:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE0D14DF5 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:06:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11060 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:06:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:06:12 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199903171006.LAA11060@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rich Wood wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > On 16 Mar 99, at 18:59, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > And last week here in Holland for a friend of mine who has a WC subscription > > for them Got mine on Saturday (in germany, and I'm on the subscription, too). > Talking of subscriptions, issuing releases too often may put people off > subscriptions as it could start to get expensive. Exactly. I'm seriously considering to cancel the subscription, and instead order only every second release or something like that (or maybe not at all, sice I don't really need the CD-ROMs -- the reason I'm on the subscription is supporting the FreeBSD team, and it's nice to have the CDs on the shelf). But 4 times a year is too much for me, especially given the fact that shipping to Germany is expensive and takes too long. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 2:17:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB05E15038 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 02:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11103; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:16:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:16:33 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199903171016.LAA11103@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: STABLE-199903?? where? Cc: doka@triton.kiev.sovam.com Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Vladimir Litovka wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > Where I can get latest STABLE compilation? At > ftp://releng3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386 the last is 19990227, > but it is 0317 today :) I don't want to make cvsup & make world because it > takes a lot of time; I always get ready system and install it. Is this > possible now or not? We have 19990312-STABLE at ftp7.de.freebsd.org. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 4:29:59 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.214.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E458152FA for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:29:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Received: from localhost (ferdl@localhost) by atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21646 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:29:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:29:03 +0100 (CET) From: Ferdinand Goldmann To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Rich Wood wrote: > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 You are lucky indeed... Hmm... My package has still not yet arrived in Austria 8^((. I ordered somewhere around Feb. 20 as far as I remember. Make 3.2-RELEASE date August 1st. At most.. that's ridiculous. Goldmann Ferdinand (ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 5:28:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA691516D for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 05:28:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lva@dds.nl) Received: from ren (ut127003.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.127.3]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id OAA17494 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:28:04 +0100 (MET) Reply-To: From: "laurens van alphen" To: Subject: RE: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:28:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000801be7079$faf75720$0a0010ac@ren.craxx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <36EF6433.A2C8B702@lucent.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I haven't seen any 3.1 cd set yet, and today is 17/03/1999. > I live in the Netherlands, for those of us inside the USA, that's > outside the USA ;-) uhm, just to break the stats: i'm in the netherlands as well and got my 3.1 set somewhere last week. ps. no, in the netherlands your hometown is irrelevant to the day of delivery. -- laurens van alphen, craxx alphen@craxx.com, http://craxx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 7:11:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (gamefish.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BDF14EBD for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:10:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from natdissue@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (natdissue@localhost) by gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14278 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:10:33 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from natdissue@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:10:33 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: natd Issues Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just have a couple of questions about some natd problems we're having while setting up a rather large ADSL customer to use it. We have to use the redirect_address feature to alias IPs into their internal network. It doesn't seem to work at all. The computer stops transmitting packets. This machine is 2.2.8-STABLE. I setup a test lab here at the office, but the only machine I could find for it was running 3.1-STABLE. This one won't even route packets. Are these known problems? Is anyone working on them? I compiled the natd sources from 2.2.8-STABLE in 3.1-STABLE, but still had no luck. Do you think this is related to the IPDIVERT for divert sockets? Any help you can offer will be great. Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 8:42:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rapidsite.net (mail.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5A6A14FF2 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gryphon@intech.net) Received: from gw1.hway.net (207.158.192.37) by mail.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.2) with SMTP id 2816; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36EFDC3D.42864B7C@intech.net> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:45:49 -0500 From: Coranth Gryphon Reply-To: gryphon@hway.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alphen@craxx.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? References: <000001be7048$c5a147b0$0a0010ac@ren.craxx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > - We don't release 3.2 as yet, postpone until May Or June... > - Release 3.1.1 now but don't build the CD set. There are several How about, do it as a proper release (testing wise) but no CDs. A tar-ball of diffs would suffice for most of us who have the 3.1R CD, with CVSup for everyone else. -coranth ---------------------------------------+---------------------------- Coranth Gryphon | Work Phone: 561-912-2497 Chief Architect, Hiway Technologies | #include ---------------------------------------+---------------------------- When all else fails, do the impossible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 8:45: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CF0151DE for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com (sdx-ca44-40.ix.netcom.com [199.182.40.40]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA09586; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) id IAA28196; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:40:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903171640.IAA28196@bubble.didi.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bubble.didi.com: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <12635.921655834@zippy.cdrom.com> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Decision on the 3.2 release date. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) References: <12635.921655834@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" * We'll do 3.2 on schedule, that is to say at our usual (when things * go right) quarterly interval - the 15th of June. Um, 3.1 went out on 15th of February, so unless this is a leap year and has 16 months, won't 1/4 of a year after that be May 15th? :) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 8:52:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.itnnet.com (mail.itninc.net [208.195.144.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3240014CC9 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:52:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tanguy@itninc.net) Received: from relay.itnnet.com (relay.itnnet.com [208.195.144.14]) by mail.itnnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA00963; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:51:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903171651.IAA00963@mail.itnnet.com> Received: from [10.0.2.34] by relay.itnnet.com via smtpd (for mail.itninc.net [208.195.144.7]) with SMTP; 17 Mar 1999 13:53:33 UT X-Sender: tdecourson@mail.itnnet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:52:18 -0800 To: Phillip Salzman From: Tanguy de Courson Subject: Re: natd Issues Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG did you compile IPDIVERT and IPFIREWALL into your kernel? At 09:10 AM 03/17/1999 -0600, you wrote: >I just have a couple of questions about some natd problems we're >having while setting up a rather large ADSL customer to use it. > >We have to use the redirect_address feature to alias IPs into their >internal network. It doesn't seem to work at all. The computer stops >transmitting packets. This machine is 2.2.8-STABLE. > >I setup a test lab here at the office, but the only machine I could find >for it was running 3.1-STABLE. This one won't even route packets. > >Are these known problems? Is anyone working on them? > >I compiled the natd sources from 2.2.8-STABLE in 3.1-STABLE, but still >had no luck. Do you think this is related to the IPDIVERT for divert >sockets? > >Any help you can offer will be great. Thanks! > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------- Tanguy 'Ripper' de Courson - Internet Programmer ('Perl') at ITN myneid - fool 'o fools, gnome 'o gnomes "schalin666: Okay. I guess I should allow a human's right to a higher education, so long as it doesn't ruin my pornography income" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 8:58:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B1B15166 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:58:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA14139 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:58:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:58:00 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199903171658.RAA14139@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: STABLE-199903?? where? Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > Vladimir Litovka wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > > Where I can get latest STABLE compilation? At > > ftp://releng3.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386 the last is 19990227, > > but it is 0317 today :) I don't want to make cvsup & make world because it > > takes a lot of time; I always get ready system and install it. Is this > > possible now or not? > > We have 19990312-STABLE at ftp7.de.freebsd.org. Uhm sorry, make that 19990309. :-) I'm trying to make a snapshot of today right now. If it works, it'll appear on the above FTP site later this day. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 8:58:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178B41516B for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:58:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id JAA25940; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:56:53 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199903171656.JAA25940@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:56:53 -0700 (MST) Cc: paula@jeffnet.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <12693.921657447@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 16, 99 11:57:27 pm" Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > To sum it up, a quarterly release schedule seems to work well, it is > achievable (with occasional quirks still to be ironed out) and perhaps > I simply need to simply codify what has always been common wisdom > among those who've been around the FreeBSD project since the early > years: If you want the very best FreeBSD on a branch, wait at least > for the .5, this being true precisely because of the stepwise > refinement afforded by the earlier releases. :) Agreed. But what about a 3.3.1-RELEASE, with no CDs. Make life easier for tomorrow's new downloader. > - Jordan -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 9:37:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (gamefish.pcola.gulf.net [198.69.72.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AF2152F8 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:37:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from natdissue@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Received: from localhost (natdissue@localhost) by gamefish.pcola.gulf.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA14724; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:36:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from natdissue@gamefish.pcola.gulf.net) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:36:52 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman To: Tanguy de Courson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: natd Issues In-Reply-To: <199903171651.IAA00963@mail.itnnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Yes. Everything seems to work on the 2.2 machine except redirect_address (well, it routes packets.) The 3.1 machine just sits there. I have it setup like: (3.1 box's setup) de0 (external interface) -> Outside World /|\ | tx0 (10.0.0.1) <- 10.0.0.2 I can ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.2. I can also telnet to it, etc. sysctl's net.inet.ip.forwarding is actived (1). It just isn't routing the packets. IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is also in the kernel. All i'm really interested in is getting redirect_address functioning. This is the config file (for 2.2.8-STABLE): ------------------ # natd config use_sockets yes same_ports yes log yes alias_address 204.214.18.2 redirect_address 10.0.0.192 204.214.18.2 ------------------ Is there something i'm missing for redirect_address? When I kill && restart it, nothing works at all. The kernel config has this information in it: ------------------ options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT options IPDIVERT ------------------ On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Tanguy de Courson wrote: > did you compile IPDIVERT and IPFIREWALL into your kernel? > > At 09:10 AM 03/17/1999 -0600, you wrote: > >I just have a couple of questions about some natd problems we're > >having while setting up a rather large ADSL customer to use it. > > > >We have to use the redirect_address feature to alias IPs into their > >internal network. It doesn't seem to work at all. The computer stops > >transmitting packets. This machine is 2.2.8-STABLE. > > > >I setup a test lab here at the office, but the only machine I could find > >for it was running 3.1-STABLE. This one won't even route packets. > > > >Are these known problems? Is anyone working on them? > > > >I compiled the natd sources from 2.2.8-STABLE in 3.1-STABLE, but still > >had no luck. Do you think this is related to the IPDIVERT for divert > >sockets? > > > >Any help you can offer will be great. Thanks! > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tanguy 'Ripper' de Courson - Internet Programmer ('Perl') at ITN > myneid - fool 'o fools, gnome 'o gnomes > "schalin666: Okay. I guess I should allow a human's right to a higher > education, so long as it doesn't ruin my pornography income" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 9:37:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4BA51531E for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:37:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA01185 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:37:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:36:32 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: freebsd-questions Cc: freebsd-stable@libdns.qc.ca Subject: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [I cc this to -stable because I'm following 3-stable...] [I sent this straight to Luigi some time ago, but it seem it wasn't a good idea... so here I am.] Hi! I have problemss playing sounds on my Sound Blaster, may it be mp3's, waves or audio files. I can play music from the CD correctly. My sound card is recognised. (i.e.: Probing for PnP devices: CSN 1 Vendor ID: CIR2000 [0x0020320d] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: @@@0000 [0x00000000] CSN 2 Vendor ID: CTL0070 [0x70008c0e] Serial 0xffffffff Comp ID: PNPb02f [0x2fb0d041] pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa ) BUT! When I try to play audio or dsp, I have strange problems. The sound is played for it's 2 first seconds (well, I do not hear any, but the time counter tells me that 2 seconds have past), and then the program stucks. This is the behavior of xamp, which does not response to any stimuli other than a kill after the hang! I must interrupt the program and then kill it. I then get the following error from the kernel: Mar 11 15:34:36 freed /kernel: timeout flushing dbuf_out, chan 5 cnt 0xff00 flags 0x00000141 When I use another program such as mpg123 to play mp3, it does not play at all and I get: Mar 11 15:36:05 freed /kernel: tsleep returns 4 With play, it's almost worst: spidey@freed [03:38pm] wav$ play hell228m.wav ^C^C^C^C^C^Z [1]+ Stopped play hell228m.wav spidey@freed [03:38pm] wav$ kill %1 [1]+ Terminated play hell228m.wav spidey@freed [03:38pm] wav$ But at least, I hear a beginning of a sound... A cp or a cat over dsp gives me almost the same thing. Same for .au over /dev/audio. I also remarked something different than before: spidey@freed [03:39pm] au$ cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (981002) Mar 11 1999 14:42:50 Installed devices: pcm1: at 0x220 irq 10 dma 1:5 sequencer1: at 0x388 (not functional) spidey@freed [03:39pm] au$ So, I ask... Is that -stable or me? :)) oh, almost forgot: controller pnp0 device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq ? drq ? flags 0x0 vector pcmintr are in my kernel. At first, I tried pcm with irq 10 and drq 1, but it changed nothing. also, from dmesg: CSN LDN conf en irqs drqs others (PnP devices) 2 0 OS Y 10 0 1 5 port 0x220 0x330 0x388 Is there someone who had the same problem? Thanks! When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 9:49:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from labinfo.iet.unipi.it (labinfo.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C9C61535C; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:49:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from luigi@labinfo.iet.unipi.it) Received: from localhost (luigi@localhost) by labinfo.iet.unipi.it (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA24782; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:49:22 +0100 From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <199903171449.PAA24782@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: Decision on the 3.2 release date. To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:49:22 +0100 (MET) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903171640.IAA28196@bubble.didi.com> from "Satoshi Asami" at Mar 17, 99 08:40:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 698 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > * We'll do 3.2 on schedule, that is to say at our usual (when things > * go right) quarterly interval - the 15th of June. > > Um, 3.1 went out on 15th of February, so unless this is a leap year > and has 16 months, won't 1/4 of a year after that be May 15th? :) deep in his mind Jordan thinks those people asking for 3 instead 4 releases a year are not wrong. This minor twist to the year will make everybody happy :) There might be some practical issue: usenix is around june 10, and it could be a good idea to be there with a fresh release (so the cut date should be chosen in a way to have the CDs ready at usenix). cheers luigi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 9:49:58 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B150D1546C for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:49:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id LAA02049; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:49:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id LAA02045; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:49:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000801be709e$864c8ce0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Phillip Salzman" , Subject: Re: natd Issues Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:49:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The directions on how to set this up is in the man page for natd. You MUST follow them. You need to add IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT to you kernel and, to start, you should set your filewall to OPEN in /etc/rc.conf. Make sure you have the other relavent parameters to natd set in /etc/rc.conf as well. Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com -----Original Message----- From: Phillip Salzman To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 9:24 AM Subject: natd Issues >I just have a couple of questions about some natd problems we're >having while setting up a rather large ADSL customer to use it. > >We have to use the redirect_address feature to alias IPs into their >internal network. It doesn't seem to work at all. The computer stops >transmitting packets. This machine is 2.2.8-STABLE. > >I setup a test lab here at the office, but the only machine I could find >for it was running 3.1-STABLE. This one won't even route packets. > >Are these known problems? Is anyone working on them? > >I compiled the natd sources from 2.2.8-STABLE in 3.1-STABLE, but still >had no luck. Do you think this is related to the IPDIVERT for divert >sockets? > >Any help you can offer will be great. Thanks! > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 10:11:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from horse.supranet.net (horse.supranet.net [205.164.160.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F3E1536F for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gavinb@supranet.net) Received: from rat (rat.supranet.net [205.164.160.15]) by horse.supranet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29867 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:10:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990317121136.00bb7900@mail.supranet.net> X-Sender: gavinb@mail.supranet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:11:48 -0600 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Benjamin Gavin Subject: Re: natd Issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey, What are the relevant lines of rc.conf, rc.firewall for you? I see you are using "alias_address", this _cannot_ be used in conjunction with the "natd_interface" variable in the rc.conf file. You should use one or the other. Also, if you are using the standard rc.firewall and you _don't_ have "natd_interface" defined, it won't add the divert rule. A good configuration would look kinda like this: /etc/rc.conf: firewall_type="open" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_quiet="YES" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="de0" natd_flags="-same_ports -use_sockets -dynamic" OR "-f " I have noticed, and please someone explain why this is happening, that if you have the following two lines (which are in the default rc.firewall), the redirection of ports and addresses _WILL NOT WORK_: $fwcmd add 100 pass all from any to any via lo0 $fwcmd add 200 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 To get it to work, I had to comment out these lines, or call a flush at the beginning of a custom rc.firewall.local file, then re-add the divert rule. I haven't been able to figure out why these two rules ruin the natd redirection, but it may be a bug... Thanks, Ben Gavin At 11:36 AM 3/17/99 -0600, you wrote: >Yes. > >Everything seems to work on the 2.2 machine except redirect_address >(well, it routes packets.) The 3.1 machine just sits there. I have it >setup like: > >(3.1 box's setup) > > de0 (external interface) -> Outside World > /|\ > | > tx0 (10.0.0.1) <- 10.0.0.2 > >I can ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.2. I can also telnet to it, etc. >sysctl's net.inet.ip.forwarding is actived (1). It just isn't routing >the packets. IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT is also in the kernel. > >All i'm really interested in is getting redirect_address functioning. >This is the config file (for 2.2.8-STABLE): > >------------------ > # natd config > use_sockets yes > same_ports yes > log yes > alias_address 204.214.18.2 > redirect_address 10.0.0.192 204.214.18.2 >------------------ > >Is there something i'm missing for redirect_address? When I kill && >restart it, nothing works at all. > >The kernel config has this information in it: > >------------------ > options IPFIREWALL > options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT > options IPDIVERT >------------------ > >On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Tanguy de Courson wrote: > >> did you compile IPDIVERT and IPFIREWALL into your kernel? >> >> At 09:10 AM 03/17/1999 -0600, you wrote: >> >I just have a couple of questions about some natd problems we're >> >having while setting up a rather large ADSL customer to use it. >> > >> >We have to use the redirect_address feature to alias IPs into their >> >internal network. It doesn't seem to work at all. The computer stops >> >transmitting packets. This machine is 2.2.8-STABLE. >> > >> >I setup a test lab here at the office, but the only machine I could find >> >for it was running 3.1-STABLE. This one won't even route packets. >> > >> >Are these known problems? Is anyone working on them? >> > >> >I compiled the natd sources from 2.2.8-STABLE in 3.1-STABLE, but still >> >had no luck. Do you think this is related to the IPDIVERT for divert >> >sockets? >> > >> >Any help you can offer will be great. Thanks! >> > >> > >> > >> >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Tanguy 'Ripper' de Courson - Internet Programmer ('Perl') at ITN >> myneid - fool 'o fools, gnome 'o gnomes >> "schalin666: Okay. I guess I should allow a human's right to a higher >> education, so long as it doesn't ruin my pornography income" >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >> > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message /--------------------------------------------------------------------------/ Benjamin Gavin - Senior Consultant *********** NO SPAM!! ************ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 10:27:21 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at [128.130.111.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329731553A for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 10:27:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at) Received: from markab (markab [128.130.111.33]) by vexpert.dbai.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA23162; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:26:19 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:26:17 +0100 (MET) From: Gerald Pfeifer To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: NFS problems with Solaris 2.6 Server In-Reply-To: <36EDA4A6.336FCB50@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: >> Is there something so serious in 3.1 to deserve another release ? > A *LOT* of potential deadlock conditions and NFS bugs were corrected. Which brings me to another point: Are there any known issues between FreeBSD 3.1 clients and Solaris 2.6 servers? We had no problems with FreeBSD 2.2.x, but since we switched to 3.1, we indeterministically experience extremely long NFS delays now and then. Delays in the range of a couple of minutes, that is! What kind were these NFS bugs that have been corrected in the meantime? I checked the GNATS database, but failed to find anything relevant for our situation. Gerald -- Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 11:37:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CFD14D3A for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:37:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id UAA03271; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:23:15 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id UAA02618; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:17:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199903171917.UAA02618@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <12693.921657447@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 16, 99 11:57:27 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:17:38 +0100 (CET) Cc: paula@jeffnet.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote... > > Ideally, I'd expect two and no more than three releases per year. > We simply have to make releases or the product would never get any > better. A handful of programmers and a release engineer or two > obviously cannot test the product to the extent that many thousands of > users can, and people seem to be psychologically averse to snapshots > (if you compare the download stats) and/or need CDROM media before Keep in mind that a lot of people are in countries where you have to pay dearly for networking. No "wireless LAN on the streetlights" for the the majority of us. 600Mb worth of download (I know, you can limit it, but just to compare with the CDs) is a costly affair. Having said that there is probably a psychological "when it is on CDs it should be good" attitude. Anyway, the leadtimes on CDs from the US to Europe are a serious concern I'd say. Especially since there is always a tendency to tell people to go to Version X++ when they have just received their Version X CDROM. Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl ______________________________________________ Powered by FreeBSD __________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 11:39:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hackerz.org (hackerz.org [209.31.146.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCE7150B4 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:39:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randy@hackerz.org) Received: from localhost (randy@localhost) by hackerz.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA07307 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:41:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:41:04 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Quarri To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: kld's and the -p option Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am trying to get arla up and running with the kld modules. The problem I am having is with the creation of the /dev/xfs0 device. How do I what the major device number is for the loaded module. I can see it via kldstat. The man pages don't really cover this. I am using arla-0.22, not the arla in the ports collection. Quarri To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 12:41:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from shell13.ba.best.com (shell13.ba.best.com [206.184.139.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52405152B4 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:40:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rone@ennui.org) Received: (from rone@localhost) by shell13.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id MAA18275; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:39:13 -0800 (PST) From: nymph lode Message-Id: <199903172039.MAA18275@shell13.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-Reply-To: <199903171917.UAA02618@yedi.iaf.nl> from Wilko Bulte at "Mar 17, 99 08:17:38 pm" To: wilko@yedi.iaf.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:39:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, paula@jeffnet.org, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte writes: Having said that there is probably a psychological "when it is on CDs it should be good" attitude. Anyway, the leadtimes on CDs from the US to Europe are a serious concern I'd say. Especially since there is always a tendency to tell people to go to Version X++ when they have just received their Version X CDROM. Perhaps cdrom.com could license a partner in Europe, Japan, and Oz to burn and distribute local copies. I'm not entirely sure that this thread belongs on freebsd-stable any longer. freebsd-chat, perhaps? rone -- This .signature has been accessed [IMAGE] times. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 13: 9:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F98015169 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:09:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA22864; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:09:07 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04046; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:47:56 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903171547.PAA04046@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Phillip Salzman Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: natd Issues In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:10:33 CST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:47:56 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please provide your configuration entries/command line etc... there are no known problems (to my knowledge) with natd. > I just have a couple of questions about some natd problems we're > having while setting up a rather large ADSL customer to use it. > > We have to use the redirect_address feature to alias IPs into their > internal network. It doesn't seem to work at all. The computer stops > transmitting packets. This machine is 2.2.8-STABLE. > > I setup a test lab here at the office, but the only machine I could find > for it was running 3.1-STABLE. This one won't even route packets. > > Are these known problems? Is anyone working on them? > > I compiled the natd sources from 2.2.8-STABLE in 3.1-STABLE, but still > had no luck. Do you think this is related to the IPDIVERT for divert > sockets? > > Any help you can offer will be great. Thanks! -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 13:23:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A3014C9C for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:23:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19428 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:25:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Confusion Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Read this with the understanding that in the grand scheme of FreeBSD, I am a complete nobody. I'm just a consumer of the product and run a couple servers on it. I'm not a kernel hacker, or a source code god of any sort. After following the discussion regarding the releases of product. I am left , wondering what is considered a sound product to install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering. "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next kewlest thing". Was it hyped to much? was it a lie? And what is wrong with a simple patch? I have machines running on 3.0 now that I am informed should be upgraded to 3.1 ASAP. And 3.0 given the length of time it has been out, would be considered NEW. I just would like to have a system that I can install, and keep alive for a good period of time without every person in every group answering my questions with "You need to upgrade to the newest release". That is all fine and dandy for people that want to track things closely. But, most people that use FreeBSD don't do that. We are like any other consumer. Just wanting a product that will withstand more than 3 months time. And is still supported on the site to some extent. Come to find out, after installing my systems via ftp. I can't get a 3.0 CD anyplace. I called cdrom.com and they said they stoped carrying it as soon as 3.1 came out. This leaves people like me hanging out to dry and wondering why it is this way. And, I am either blind or correct in saying that 3.0-RELEASE is not on the ftp.freebsd.com server any more. This to a consumer is very disheartening. It's like buying a car and being told a month later that "it's not all that was advertised the month before. And oh by the way. We're not carrying that model anymore". My question to anyone that would care to answer is this. Is it advisable to upgrade my SMP machines that are running 3.0 to 3.1 or do I wait for what is being called the fix for 3.1, 3.2 ? It breaks some of the confidence in the product being used to read some of these posts. To learn that the big hype of a product you just installed is already being considered out of date and broken. Is 3.0 realy all that bad? And if so, why was it ever considered for release? Sorry if I ticked anyone off or spoke out of turn. Just would like some stability in my OS of choice. I can't imagine what it must be like for people even greener then me. Thank you. Keith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 13:47:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tsolab.org (dnn.rockefeller.edu [129.85.17.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF77155C3 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:47:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: from dna.tsolab.org (dna.tsolab.org [129.85.17.125]) by tsolab.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00809; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: by dna.tsolab.org (QAA02939); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:55:10 -0500 From: "Dan Ts'o" Message-Id: <199903172155.QAA02939@dna.tsolab.org> Subject: Re: Confusion To: keith@lightningweb.com (Keith Woodman) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:55:07 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Keith Woodman" at Mar 17, 99 01:25:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > After following the discussion regarding the releases of product. > I am left , wondering what is considered a sound product to > install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering. > "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next > kewlest thing". Was it hyped to much? was it a lie? And what is wrong with > a simple patch? I have machines running on 3.0 now that I am informed > should be upgraded to 3.1 ASAP. And 3.0 given the length of time it > has been out, would be considered NEW. I just would like to have a system > that I can install, and keep alive for a good period of time without every > person in every group answering my questions with "You need to upgrade > to the newest release". That is all fine and dandy for people that want > to track things closely. But, most people that use FreeBSD don't do > that. We are like any other consumer. Just wanting a product that will > withstand more than 3 months time. And is still supported on the site to > some extent. I think it was always abundantly clear that the 3.0 release was never considered truly suitable for production deployment and was not a part of the "stable" branch. You may have chosen to use 3.0 because of its SMP support, but it was always considered that staying with 2.2.X for now was the wisest choice for production work. This may have changed somewhat with 3.1 but personally I think I will wait til 3.2 or so before I move off the 2.2.X branch. I'm sorry to hear that you feel a little miffed about the release schedule, but frankly, all things considered I don't think I would want them to do it any other way. I think the current release policies are the best balance between the new and the stable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14: 2:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from math.udel.edu (math.udel.edu [128.175.16.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69B815653 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:02:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from schwenk@math.udel.edu) Received: from math.udel.edu (sisyphus.math.udel.edu [128.175.16.167]) by math.udel.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14790 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:02:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F02671.E09547F1@math.udel.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:02:25 -0500 From: Peter Schwenk Organization: University of Delaware X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I guess it boils down to: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Don't upgrade if you are getting along okay with things the way they are. I've got one server, and it's running 2.2.8-R. It's lot in life is to run Apache and PostgreSQL, and 2.2.8 is good enough for that. It doesn't have any hardware that's unsupported. So, I'm not going to upgrade it. My home computer is for fun, and I like tinkering with it. So I ugrade (re-install actually) it whenever a new CD comes out. It's running 3.1-R because I just got the CDs less than a week ago. I love the Walnut Creek subscription, by the way. I don't think I'd mind getting another CD in May (like some people were talking about in recent threads), but I think it would be excessive if it was any more frequently than that. By following the mailing lists, I noticed that 3.0 sounded pretty buggy, and lots of people said, "don't use this release if you aren't interested in being a guinea pig." Of course, I'm using my own words here. I guess my opinion on the "when should I upgrade?" question is it depends on the role of the computer. If it's needed for "real work", don't upgrade unless there is a compelling reason. It's up to us FreeBSD users to decide for ourselves if the version we're using is good enough for us. -- PETER SCHWENK | UNIX System Administrator Department of Mathematical Sciences | University of Delaware schwenk@math.udel.edu | (302)831-0437 <-NEW!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14: 6:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from idea.co.uk (ultra2.idea.co.uk [194.36.20.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B83152B2 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kiril@idea.co.uk) Received: from loki.idea.co.uk (loki.idea.co.uk [194.36.20.54]) by idea.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA19547 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:02:06 GMT From: Kiril Mitev Organization: IDEA ltd To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:57:08 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain References: <199903172155.QAA02939@dna.tsolab.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99031722052900.11541@loki.idea.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Dan Ts'o furiously typed away: > > I think it was always abundantly clear that the 3.0 release was never > considered truly suitable for production deployment and was not a part of > the "stable" branch. You may have chosen to use 3.0 because of its SMP > support, but it was always considered that staying with 2.2.X for now was > the wisest choice for production work. I beg to disagree. IIRC, the hype (sorry, true) was that 4.0 is the current branch & 3.* is the stable branch.... IF one were to split hairs, one could say that when 3.0 existed, is was -current, not -stable, but I dare say that people receiving their information from sources other than the OS sources (1) would consider 3.* to be THE stable branch, and since 3.0 happens to match 3.*, it would be interpreted as a -stable version. Furthermore, a CD release would (or at least SHOULD :-) be interpreted as a -stable release...... Keith's points are absolutely valid. > This may have changed somewhat with 3.1 but personally I think I > will wait til 3.2 or so before I move off the 2.2.X branch. Good for you. Now tell us why, please ? > I'm sorry to hear that you feel a little miffed about the release > schedule, but frankly, all things considered I don't think I would want > them to do it any other way. I think the current release policies are > the best balance between the new and the stable. That's a separate issue altogether. I saw that 3.2 is promised mid-June and I would say that this is good [TM]. ** Just Another F-BSD Lamer ** -- Kiril To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14: 6:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zed.ludd.luth.se (zed.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033DC15316 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:06:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se) Received: from speedy.ludd.luth.se (pantzer@speedy.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.164]) by zed.ludd.luth.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02646; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:05:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199903172205.XAA02646@zed.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: Keith Woodman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: Message from Keith Woodman of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:25:44 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:05:37 +0100 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > After following the discussion regarding the releases of product. > I am left , wondering what is considered a sound product= to > install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering.= > "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next > kewlest thing". Was it hyped to much? was it a lie? And what is wrong w= ith > a simple patch? I have machines running on 3.0 now that I am informed I know what is wrong with a simple patch, they never are simple. It takes= a = lot or resources to make patches. > should be upgraded to 3.1 ASAP. And 3.0 given the length of time it > has been out, would be considered NEW. I just would like to have a syst= em > that I can install, and keep alive for a good period of time without ev= ery > person in every group answering my questions with "You need to upgrade > to the newest release". That is all fine and dandy for people that want= = > to track things closely. But, most people that use FreeBSD don't do > that. We are like any other consumer. Just wanting a product that will > withstand more than 3 months time. And is still supported on the site t= o > some extent. = I am sorry, but I have to quote the announcment for 3.0: This release is primarily aimed at developers and early-adopters, though many ISPs have reported good results when using it in production (not tha= t we recommend this to any but the most highly skilled). See the release no= tes for more information. This is why you should upgrade to 3.1. > Come to find out, after installing my systems via ftp. I can't get > a 3.0 CD anyplace. I called cdrom.com and they said they stoped carryin= g > it as soon as 3.1 came out. This leaves people like me hanging out to d= ry > and wondering why it is this way. And, I am either blind or correct in > saying that 3.0-RELEASE is not on the ftp.freebsd.com server any more. > This to a consumer is very disheartening. It's like buying a car and be= ing > told a month later that "it's not all that was advertised the month > before. And oh by the way. We're not carrying that model anymore". Oh? That is normal. Why would they manufacture an older model if the newe= r is = better? People usualy by the later model. I have to ask, why do you need the 3.0 CD, why won't 3.1 do? > My question to anyone that would care to answer is this. > Is it advisable to upgrade my SMP machines that are running 3.0 to 3.1 = or > do I wait for what is being called the fix for 3.1, 3.2 ? If you don't have any problems there is no reason to upgrade. If you have= = problems then you upgrade. You can upgrade to the version of the day if y= ou = wish, it realy is up to you. There will allways be bugfixes and you can't= have = the latest version att all times. > Sorry if I ticked anyone off or spoke out of turn. Just would like some= > stability in my OS of choice. I can't imagine what it must be like for > people even greener then me. That is why 2.2.8 still is on the ftp sites. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14: 7:56 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cerberus.student.umd.edu (cerberus.student.umd.edu [129.2.178.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36621570C for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:07:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Received: from glue.umd.edu (poseidon.student.umd.edu [129.2.179.31]) by cerberus.student.umd.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA09599; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:06:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bfoz@glue.umd.edu) Message-ID: <36F0275A.5BFEBA40@glue.umd.edu> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:06:18 -0500 From: Brandon Fosdick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Woodman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Good point, I've been wondering the same thing. One thing to keep in mind though is that to a "code god" finding out that the code had one comment line out of place means the entire system is a piece of junk and needs to be updated. Hype cuts both ways. (IMHO) But you still have a good point. To those who don't cvsup every few days the CD's need to be rock solid OS releases that can be used for a relatively long time. I don't know how well the current system works, I cvsup fairly often, but IMHO this is a concern that needs to be addressed whenever a release is being considered. Not to say that I think it isn't currently, I'm just saying that it should be. Shouldn't this be in freebsd-chat? -Brandon Keith Woodman wrote: > > Read this with the understanding that in the grand scheme of FreeBSD, I am > a complete nobody. I'm just a consumer of the product and run a couple > servers on it. I'm not a kernel hacker, or a source code god of any sort. > After following the discussion regarding the releases of product. > I am left , wondering what is considered a sound product to > install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering. > "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next > kewlest thing". Was it hyped to much? was it a lie? And what is wrong with > a simple patch? I have machines running on 3.0 now that I am informed > should be upgraded to 3.1 ASAP. And 3.0 given the length of time it > has been out, would be considered NEW. I just would like to have a system > that I can install, and keep alive for a good period of time without every > person in every group answering my questions with "You need to upgrade > to the newest release". That is all fine and dandy for people that want > to track things closely. But, most people that use FreeBSD don't do > that. We are like any other consumer. Just wanting a product that will > withstand more than 3 months time. And is still supported on the site to > some extent. > Come to find out, after installing my systems via ftp. I can't get > a 3.0 CD anyplace. I called cdrom.com and they said they stoped carrying > it as soon as 3.1 came out. This leaves people like me hanging out to dry > and wondering why it is this way. And, I am either blind or correct in > saying that 3.0-RELEASE is not on the ftp.freebsd.com server any more. > This to a consumer is very disheartening. It's like buying a car and being > told a month later that "it's not all that was advertised the month > before. And oh by the way. We're not carrying that model anymore". > My question to anyone that would care to answer is this. > Is it advisable to upgrade my SMP machines that are running 3.0 to 3.1 or > do I wait for what is being called the fix for 3.1, 3.2 ? > It breaks some of the confidence in the product being used to read some of > these posts. To learn that the big hype of a product you just installed is > already being considered out of date and broken. Is 3.0 realy all that > bad? And if so, why was it ever considered for release? > Sorry if I ticked anyone off or spoke out of turn. Just would like some > stability in my OS of choice. I can't imagine what it must be like for > people even greener then me. > > Thank you. > Keith > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- bfoz@starfleet.umd.edu "In life there are those who steer, and those who push" "I'm not impatient, the world is too slow" "Life is short, so have fun, play hard, and leave a good looking corpse" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14:34:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from idea.co.uk (ultra2.idea.co.uk [194.36.20.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7280C152AC for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:33:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kiril@idea.co.uk) Received: from loki.idea.co.uk (loki.idea.co.uk [194.36.20.54]) by idea.co.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA19942; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:27:40 GMT From: Kiril Mitev Organization: IDEA ltd To: Mattias Pantzare , Keith Woodman Subject: Re: Confusion Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:27:42 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <199903172205.XAA02646@zed.ludd.luth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99031722310402.11541@loki.idea.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Mattias Pantzare furiously typed away: > > This release is primarily aimed at developers and early-adopters, though > many ISPs have reported good results when using it in production (not that > we recommend this to any but the most highly skilled). See the release notes > for more information. > > > This is why you should upgrade to 3.1. WELL, exsqueeze me ... $ ftp ftp.freebsd.org .... > cd /pub/FreeBSD > dir ..... lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 207 19 Jan 21 06:00 FreeBSD-stable -> branches/3.0-stable So, which F-BSD version is -stable ? Please ? (And, yes, this should be moved to -chat) ** Just Another F-BSD LAmer** -- Kiril To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14:38:18 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tsolab.org (dnn.rockefeller.edu [129.85.17.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE9C1516D for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: from dna.tsolab.org (dna.tsolab.org [129.85.17.125]) by tsolab.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00855; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:38:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: by dna.tsolab.org (RAA03232); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:45:36 -0500 From: "Dan Ts'o" Message-Id: <199903172245.RAA03232@dna.tsolab.org> Subject: Re: Confusion To: kiril@idea.co.uk (Kiril Mitev) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:45:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <99031722052900.11541@loki.idea.co.uk> from "Kiril Mitev" at Mar 17, 99 09:57:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Dan Ts'o furiously typed away: > > > > I think it was always abundantly clear that the 3.0 release was never > > considered truly suitable for production deployment > > I beg to disagree. > > IIRC, the hype (sorry, true) was that 4.0 is the current branch & > 3.* is the stable branch.... Well I guess we disagree. The topic is the release 3.0, NOT 3.*. Here is the an excerpt from the 3.0 annoucement: : After what can only be described as a heroic effort by the FreeBSD : Project volunteers, the long-awaited release of FreeBSD 3.0 is now : out! This release is primarily aimed at developers and early-adopters, : though many ISPs have reported good results when using it in production : (not that we recommend this to any but the most highly skilled). Hence my statement that it was *abundantly clear* that the 3.0 release was never intended for general production work. There were so, so many changes and new facilities in 3.0 that I can't imagine anyone considering it as full shaken down and ready for production work from the get go. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 14:55:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tsolab.org (dnn.rockefeller.edu [129.85.17.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BA315222 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 14:55:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: from dna.tsolab.org (dna.tsolab.org [129.85.17.125]) by tsolab.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00876; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:56:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: by dna.tsolab.org (SAA03336); Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:03:01 -0500 From: "Dan Ts'o" Message-Id: <199903172303.SAA03336@dna.tsolab.org> Subject: Re: Confusion To: kiril@idea.co.uk (Kiril Mitev) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:02:59 -0500 (EST) Cc: pantzer@ludd.luth.se, keith@lightningweb.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <99031722310402.11541@loki.idea.co.uk> from "Kiril Mitev" at Mar 17, 99 10:27:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > This release is primarily aimed at developers and early-adopters, though > > many ISPs have reported good results when using it in production (not that > > we recommend this to any but the most highly skilled). See the release notes > > for more information. > > > > This is why you should upgrade to 3.1. > > WELL, exsqueeze me ... > > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 207 19 Jan 21 06:00 FreeBSD-stable -> > branches/3.0-stable > > So, which F-BSD version is -stable ? Please ? Don't get too pedantic here... there is a 3.0-stable branch and a 2.2-stable branch. Again, it was widely known and was obvious at the time of the 3.0-R that the 2.2-stable branch was far more STABLE. Even now, comparing 3.1R to 2.2.8R it seems clear that 2.2.8R is more stable -- how could it be otherwise ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 15: 9:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from server2.snelnet.nl (server2.snelnet.nl [192.87.106.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF9015740 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:09:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rvdp@surfnet.nl) Received: from adsl-145-99-64-197.snelnet.nl (adsl-145-99-64-197.snelnet.nl [145.99.64.197]) by server2.snelnet.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01929 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:11:13 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 00:08:53 +0100 (CET) From: Ronald van der Pol X-Sender: rvdp@adsl-145-99-64-197.snelnet.nl To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: is 3c589D and multicast working? In-Reply-To: <199903172245.RAA03232@dna.tsolab.org> Message-ID: Organisation: SURFnet bv Address: "Radboudburcht, P.O. Box 19035, 3501 DA Utrecht, NL" Phone: +31 302 305 305 Telefax: +31 302 305 329 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have installed FreeBSD 3.1 on a Dell Latitude CPi notebook. It has a 3C589D PCCARD Ethernet card. It is working fine, but multicast does not work yet: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE (LAPTOP) #3: Sat Mar 6 18:13:35 CET 1999 $ ifconfig -a lp0: flags=8810 mtu 1500 zp0: flags=1843 mtu 1500 inet 145.99.64.197 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 145.99.64.207 ether 00:60:08:8a:84:8b tun0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 sl0: flags=c010 mtu 552 ppp0: flags=8010 mtu 1500 lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 $ Should multicast be working on this card? The card is working with multicast on Micros Segmentation fault (core dumped) rvdp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 15:25:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470AC14D03 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:25:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA24258 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:27:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:27:29 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903172303.SAA03336@dna.tsolab.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It does look like I've posted this to the wrong list. Sorry. I'll move off to the -chat and -newbies list.. One last thing that I would like to say. Again spoken purely as a consumer. NOT a developer of any sort, or a person that tracks any branch on a normal basis. When a person sees a CD/version that is labeled RELEASE. There is a tendency to assume that it is a stable, well tested system. I understand that most people that follow things closely understand the naming scheme, but it may be worth while for the team to consider people that aren't as guru about FreeBSD, but simply enjoy the stability. A name scheme more in tune with the thought process of conusmers instead of hackers and admins would go a long way towards ending the confusion of versions. -RELEASE well tested and stable for consumers -DEV in developement/testing for next RELEASE[B -HAK bleeding edge hacker version. Or what about alpha, beta, release Just my $00.02 Off to the -chat -newbies list.. Thank you. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Woodman Technical Coordinator Keith@lightningweb.com Lightningweb LLC pid 7962 (sniffit), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 15:42:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DCB14DA7 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:42:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA98787; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:42:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Ferdinand Goldmann Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:29:03 +0100." Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:42:33 -0800 Message-ID: <98785.921714153@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You should always contact orders@cdrom.com when that happens (long before now!) and let them know. Sometimes things simply get lost in the mails and, in such cases, WC will simply send you another one, saving you from waiting a lot longer than necessary. Sometimes it's also that your credit card was declined, or something to that effect, and they couldn't contact you for another one. Either way, sending an email to orders lets someone know that your order has been unnaturally delayed and needs looking into. We've had customs situations develop which we didn't even know about until the customer complained and we then followed up with the courier (who won't, by default, get back to us on problems like this - they also operate on a complaint-driven basis :-). - Jordan > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Rich Wood wrote: > > [1] For those of us outside USA. My CD only arrived on 13/3/99 > > You are lucky indeed... > Hmm... My package has still not yet arrived in Austria 8^((. > > I ordered somewhere around Feb. 20 as far as I remember. Make > 3.2-RELEASE date August 1st. At most.. that's ridiculous. > > Goldmann Ferdinand > (ferdl@atommuell.oeh.uni-linz.ac.at) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 16: 9:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0209514E14; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA98943; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Decision on the 3.2 release date. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 08:40:41 PST." <199903171640.IAA28196@bubble.didi.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:10:08 -0800 Message-ID: <98941.921715808@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" > > * We'll do 3.2 on schedule, that is to say at our usual (when things > * go right) quarterly interval - the 15th of June. > > Um, 3.1 went out on 15th of February, so unless this is a leap year > and has 16 months, won't 1/4 of a year after that be May 15th? :) Yes, but given some of the issues I know to be outstanding, I also knew we wouldn't make May 15th if we wanted to do 3.2 "right" as many people have indicated. It would end up being a "schedule for May and slip to June" release anyway, so why not just be honest about that up-front? :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 16:11:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B08153C4; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:11:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA98959; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:11:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami), stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Decision on the 3.2 release date. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 15:49:22 +0100." <199903171449.PAA24782@labinfo.iet.unipi.it> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:11:43 -0800 Message-ID: <98957.921715903@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > deep in his mind Jordan thinks those people asking for 3 instead 4 > releases a year are not wrong. This minor twist to the year will > make everybody happy :) No, it's actually more the case that I'm resigned to years that start with a .0 being 3 instead of 4 release years due to the sheer pressure of jumping branches. If we can make 4 this year, great, but it's not quite my firm expectation. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 17: 1:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F0E14DE6 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:01:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA99182; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Keith Woodman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 13:25:44 PST." Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:01:46 -0800 Message-ID: <99180.921718906@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering. > "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next > kewlest thing". Was it hyped to much? was it a lie? And what is wrong with I've already explained in a previous email that releases are an integral part of the process which improves FreeBSD. If they didn't happen on a reasonably frequent basis, FreeBSD would never reach its quality targets for a given branch in anything approaching a reasonable period of time. > Come to find out, after installing my systems via ftp. I can't get > a 3.0 CD anyplace. I called cdrom.com and they said they stoped carrying > it as soon as 3.1 came out. This leaves people like me hanging out to dry > and wondering why it is this way. And, I am either blind or correct in Not at all - ftpsearch is your friend. You can get 3.0-RELEASE from a number of places on the net and whether or not we choose to distribute it from ftp.freebsd.org (for space reasons) has little to do with the mirror policy or being able to get it easily on the net. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 17:53:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6E315217 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 17:53:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA02289; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:37:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA02106; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:37:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 02:37:04 +0100 (CET) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Gerald Pfeifer Cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: NFS problems with Solaris 2.6 Server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I have a mix off 2.x releases here and run a couple of solaris boxes also and I find only one problem with the NFS client implementation on FreeBSD that makes me wonder who is right. Namely the functions hard and actimeo seem to be missing plus you need to add a termcap entry on the solaris boxes to work with FreeBSD correctly but I've seen no major problems besides that. Michael --- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, Gerald Pfeifer wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > >> Is there something so serious in 3.1 to deserve another release ? > > A *LOT* of potential deadlock conditions and NFS bugs were corrected. > > Which brings me to another point: Are there any known issues between > FreeBSD 3.1 clients and Solaris 2.6 servers? > > We had no problems with FreeBSD 2.2.x, but since we switched to 3.1, we > indeterministically experience extremely long NFS delays now and then. > > Delays in the range of a couple of minutes, that is! > > > What kind were these NFS bugs that have been corrected in the meantime? > I checked the GNATS database, but failed to find anything relevant for > our situation. > > Gerald > -- > Gerald "Jerry" pfeifer@dbai.tuwien.ac.at http://www.dbai.tuwien.ac.at/~pfeifer/ > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 19:48:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C325E14C29 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:48:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA99749; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:48:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Kiril Mitev Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 21:57:08 GMT." <99031722052900.11541@loki.idea.co.uk> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:48:37 -0800 Message-ID: <99747.921728917@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I beg to disagree. > > IIRC, the hype (sorry, true) was that 4.0 is the current branch & > 3.* is the stable branch.... IF one were to split hairs, one could say > that when 3.0 existed, is was -current, not -stable, but I dare say That's not splitting hairs at all, 3.0-RELEASE was released on the -current branch for very specific reasons and anyone who thought this mere "hair splitting" only served to significantly misinform themselves about what was going on. I've already clarified the role of the dot-zero release in other postings in -stable so I won't repeat myself here except to simply note that Mr. Mitev here has seriously and significantly missed the point if he dismissed that fact so lightly. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 20:50:29 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nomad.dataplex.net (nomad.dataplex.net [216.140.184.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211C51541B for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:50:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) Received: from localhost (rkw@localhost) by nomad.dataplex.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA03150; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:39:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rkw@dataplex.net) X-Authentication-Warning: nomad.dataplex.net: rkw owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:39:40 -0600 (CST) From: Richard Wackerbarth Reply-To: rkw@dataplex.net To: Ronald van der Pol Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: is 3c589D and multicast working? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Ronald van der Pol wrote: > I have installed FreeBSD 3.1 on a Dell Latitude CPi notebook. It has > a 3C589D PCCARD Ethernet card. I, too, have the same .... > It is working fine, but multicast does not work yet: I am having worse problems than this. TCP connections are "if'y". Sometimes they work, but they often fail and time out. > FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE (LAPTOP) #3: Sat Mar 6 18:13:35 CET 1999 I'm on 3.1-STABLE (17 Mar 99). Any suggestions to try? Things were fine earlier this year. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Mar 17 23: 5:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2831537E for ; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 23:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from salomon.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08405 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by salomon.siemens.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01649 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:19 +0100 (MET) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA02546 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:20 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:05:19 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Is this Printerconfiguration correct? Message-ID: <19990318080519.A19016@internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If have got an old 486 which is used as a Printerspooler here. It has now been upgraded to -STABLE and I am worrying about the lpt configuratione using the new drivers. I have got 4 lpt ports and currently use: controller ppc0 at isa? port 0x3BC conflicts controller ppc1 at isa? port 0x378 net irq 7 controller ppc2 at isa? port 0x278 controller ppc3 at isa? port 0x268 controller ppbus0 at ppc0 controller ppbus1 at ppc1 controller ppbus2 at ppc2 controller ppbus3 at ppc3 device nlpt0 at ppbus0 device nlpt1 at ppbus1 device nlpt2 at ppbus2 device nlpt3 at ppbus3 Here are the relevant parts from dmesg: PC873xx probe at 0x2e got unknown ID 0x0 ppc1: ECP SPP ECP+EPP SPP ppc_detect_fifo: PWord not supported ppc1 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc1: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt0: on ppbus 1 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port ... PC873xx probe at 0x378 got unknown ID 0xd8 PC873xx probe at 0x3bc got unknown ID 0xdf PC873xx probe at 0x278 got unknown ID 0x7f ppc0: SPP ppc0 at 0x3bc on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt1: on ppbus 0 PC873xx probe at 0x5 got unknown ID 0x44 PC873xx probe at 0x7 got unknown ID 0xf0 PC873xx probe at 0x5 got unknown ID 0x4d ppc2: SMC registers CR1=0x9f CR4=0x0 configuration hardwired, supposing ECP+EPP SPP ppc_detect_fifo: PWord not supported ppc2 at 0x278 on isa ppc2: SMC FDC37C666GT chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt2: on ppbus 2 ppc3: SPP ppc3 at 0x268 on isa ppc3: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt3: on ppbus 3 I wonder if all is correct and why lpt0 gets attached to ppc1 and vice versa... Thanks for any hint, -Andre -- One or two penguins aren't too bad, but have you ever been in an enclosed area full of them? They smell awful... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 5: 9:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aniwa.sky (p40-max5.wlg.ihug.co.nz [202.49.241.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAAA1537E for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:08:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@squiz.co.nz) Received: from aniwa.sky (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aniwa.sky (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA22940 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:08:22 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <199903181308.CAA22940@aniwa.sky> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What do people think of May 1st for a 3.2 release date? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:06:12 BST." <199903171006.LAA11060@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:08:21 +1300 From: Andrew McNaughton Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > But 4 times a year is too much for me, especially given the > fact that shipping to Germany is expensive and takes too long. Perhaps there should be different subscription plans? ie yearly, twice-y= early, quarterly. Andrew McNaughton -- = ----------- Andrew McNaughton andrew@squiz.co.nz http://www.newsroom.co.nz/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 5:54:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.lonetree.com (falcon.lonetree.com [207.141.55.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DCE1537A for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 05:54:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfnet@wolfnet-irc.org) Received: from wolfnet-irc.org (users.wolfnet-irc.org [209.64.46.42]) by falcon.lonetree.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20009 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:53:49 -0700 Message-ID: <36F10695.55BD0D9A@wolfnet-irc.org> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:58:45 -0700 From: Jonathan Frazier Organization: The WolfNet-IRC Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems building 3.1-STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 4 nights ago I used cvsup and to move from 2.2.8-STABLE to 3.1-STABLE. I used "make aout-to-elf-build" as the Makefile specifies, yet still encounter many errors. I have tried every which way of building and always get the same error. It happens towards the end of the build (so I sit watching for 2 hours before I get the errors). I have been looking over mailing lists, handbooks, FAQ, even visited 8 irc networks and no one seems to have a clue. Can anyone help? The following are the errors I get. /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/tty.c:2212: warning: passing arg 2 of `register_callback' from incompatible pointer type cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDISASSEMBLER -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/xms.c cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDISASSEMBLER -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -o doscmd AsyncIO.o ParseBuffer.o bios.o callback.o cpu.o dos.o cmos.o config.o cwd.o debug.o disktab.o doscmd.o ems.o emuint.o exe.o i386-pinsn.o int.o int10.o int13.o int14.o int16.o int17.o int1a.o int2f.o intff.o mem.o mouse.o net.o port.o setver.o signal.o timer.o trace.o trap.o tty.o xms.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 tty.o: In function `video_setborder': tty.o(.text+0x25f): undefined reference to `XSetWindowBackground' tty.o: In function `setgc': tty.o(.text+0x2f5): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' tty.o: In function `video_update': tty.o(.text+0x50e): undefined reference to `XDrawImageString' tty.o(.text+0x597): undefined reference to `XDrawImageString' tty.o(.text+0x68a): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' tty.o(.text+0x712): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' tty.o(.text+0x7be): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' tty.o(.text+0x7fb): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' tty.o(.text+0x809): undefined reference to `XFlush' tty.o: In function `debug_event': tty.o(.text+0xc48): undefined reference to `XBell' tty.o(.text+0xc53): undefined reference to `XFlush' tty.o: In function `video_async_event': tty.o(.text+0x1233): undefined reference to `XFlush' tty.o(.text+0x124b): undefined reference to `XNextEvent' tty.o(.text+0x12c7): undefined reference to `XFlush' tty.o(.text+0x12fc): undefined reference to `XNextEvent' tty.o: In function `video_event': tty.o(.text+0x17f4): undefined reference to `XLookupString' tty.o(.text+0x1978): undefined reference to `XLookupString' tty.o: In function `tty_write': tty.o(.text+0x27fe): undefined reference to `XBell' tty.o: In function `KbdWrite': tty.o(.text+0x3083): undefined reference to `XBell' tty.o: In function `video_init': tty.o(.text+0x33e1): undefined reference to `XOpenDisplay' tty.o(.text+0x3408): undefined reference to `XDisplayName' tty.o(.text+0x34df): undefined reference to `XAllocNamedColor' tty.o(.text+0x3532): undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' tty.o(.text+0x354e): undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' tty.o(.text+0x3629): undefined reference to `XCreateSimpleWindow' tty.o(.text+0x368c): undefined reference to `XCreateGC' tty.o(.text+0x36c3): undefined reference to `XCreateGC' tty.o(.text+0x36e0): undefined reference to `XSetNormalHints' tty.o(.text+0x370a): undefined reference to `XSelectInput' tty.o(.text+0x371e): undefined reference to `XMapWindow' tty.o(.text+0x3729): undefined reference to `XFlush' *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. -- Thanks, Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 6: 8:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from Prime-FE1.lvcablemodem.com (prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com [24.234.0.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C78A15502 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:08:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlholloway@yahoo.com) Received: from prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com - 24.234.0.9 by lvcablemodem.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:12:14 -0800 Received: from yahoo.com (dhcp221.59.lvcm.com [24.234.59.221]) by prime-fe1.lvcablemodem.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:12:14 -0800 Message-ID: <36F098A8.89ED9824@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:09:44 -0800 From: "Mark L. Holloway" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable subscribe cvs-all To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 6:13:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from discover.laker.net (discover.laker.net [205.245.74.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31F915412 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 06:13:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabriel@discover.laker.net) Received: (from gabriel@localhost) by discover.laker.net (8.9.1/8.9.1-LAKERNET+8.9.1-MOD) id JAA22422; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:12:44 -0500 From: Gabriel Message-Id: <199903181412.JAA22422@discover.laker.net> Subject: Re: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <12847.921659457@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 17, 99 00:30:57 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I need to get the latest 2.2.8 snapshot. I noticed that releng3.freebsd.org's > > directories are being reorganized and 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP is no longer > > There will be another one to replace it made, actually. > > - Jordan I grabbed 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP from the German ftp site. When will the new snapshot be released? Will WC have a CD made of this snapshot? -- Gabriel ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows 95/NT: 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition. (UGU) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 7:59:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95ED214BEE; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 07:59:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA00562; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:59:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: Rasmus Kaj Cc: freebsd-questions , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318121324H.kaj@raditex.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I try to disable a lot of devices, without success. I still get no sound. What do I have here... pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x15 on isa atkbd0 irq 1 on isa sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 5 on isa pcm0 not probed due to drq conflict with pcm1 at 1 fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa These are about the only devices that I enabled in my kernel, and still... On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Rasmus Kaj wrote: > >>>>> "S" == Spidey writes: > > S> I have problemss playing sounds on my Sound Blaster, may it be > S> mp3's, waves or audio files. > > S> I can play music from the CD correctly. My sound card is > S> recognised. [ ... ] > > S> BUT! When I try to play audio or dsp, I have strange problems. The > S> sound is played for it's 2 first seconds (well, I do not hear any, but > S> the time counter tells me that 2 seconds have past), and then the program > S> stucks. This is the behavior of xamp, which does not response to any > S> stimuli other than a kill after the hang! I must interrupt the program and > S> then kill it. > > Sounds like a problem I was having a while ago; I had an IRQ > collission, my SB was on the same IRQ as my parallel port. I disabled > the paralell port and everything worked smootly ... > > So it might be worth a try to read through your kernel config file > checking for duplicate IRQs. > > Hmm ... Just read through the last paragraph I quoted from you. It's > not quite the same problem: I actually heard the sound for the first > seconds. Sometimes it even came back (spontaneously) for some more > seconds later ... > > Ah well, I guess it won't hurt to check an extra time for IRQ > collissions anyway ... > > > -- > Rasmus Kaj ---------------- rasmus@kaj.a.se - http://www.e.kth.se/~kaj/ > \ Alla barnen körde Unix utom Bill, hans OS stod still > \--------------------------------------------- http://www.Raditex.se/ > When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 8: 7: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DFC1546A for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19039; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:05:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:05:27 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: Jonathan Frazier Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems building 3.1-STABLE In-Reply-To: <36F10695.55BD0D9A@wolfnet-irc.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Jonathan wrote: > 4 nights ago I used cvsup and to move from 2.2.8-STABLE to 3.1-STABLE. > I used "make aout-to-elf-build" as the Makefile specifies, yet still > encounter many errors. I have tried every which way of building and > always get the same error. It happens towards the end of the build (so > I sit watching for 2 hours before I get the errors). Yeah! I've been getting exactly the same errors - I figured I'd been doing something stupid but at least one other person is getting this. I get the same errors if I just use "make upgrade" too. I too would appreciate any help in figuring this out... > /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/tty.c:2212: warning: passing arg 2 of > `register_callback' from incompatible pointer type > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDISASSEMBLER > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/xms.c > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDISASSEMBLER > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -o doscmd AsyncIO.o > ParseBuffer.o bios.o callback.o cpu.o dos.o cmos.o config.o cwd.o > debug.o disktab.o doscmd.o ems.o emuint.o exe.o i386-pinsn.o int.o > int10.o int13.o int14.o int16.o int17.o int1a.o int2f.o intff.o mem.o > mouse.o net.o port.o setver.o signal.o timer.o trace.o trap.o tty.o > xms.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 > tty.o: In function `video_setborder': > tty.o(.text+0x25f): undefined reference to `XSetWindowBackground' > tty.o: In function `setgc': > tty.o(.text+0x2f5): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' > tty.o: In function `video_update': > tty.o(.text+0x50e): undefined reference to `XDrawImageString' > tty.o(.text+0x597): undefined reference to `XDrawImageString' > tty.o(.text+0x68a): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' > tty.o(.text+0x712): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' > tty.o(.text+0x7be): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' > tty.o(.text+0x7fb): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' > tty.o(.text+0x809): undefined reference to `XFlush' > tty.o: In function `debug_event': > tty.o(.text+0xc48): undefined reference to `XBell' > tty.o(.text+0xc53): undefined reference to `XFlush' > tty.o: In function `video_async_event': > tty.o(.text+0x1233): undefined reference to `XFlush' > tty.o(.text+0x124b): undefined reference to `XNextEvent' > tty.o(.text+0x12c7): undefined reference to `XFlush' > tty.o(.text+0x12fc): undefined reference to `XNextEvent' > tty.o: In function `video_event': > tty.o(.text+0x17f4): undefined reference to `XLookupString' > tty.o(.text+0x1978): undefined reference to `XLookupString' > tty.o: In function `tty_write': > tty.o(.text+0x27fe): undefined reference to `XBell' > tty.o: In function `KbdWrite': > tty.o(.text+0x3083): undefined reference to `XBell' > tty.o: In function `video_init': > tty.o(.text+0x33e1): undefined reference to `XOpenDisplay' > tty.o(.text+0x3408): undefined reference to `XDisplayName' > tty.o(.text+0x34df): undefined reference to `XAllocNamedColor' > tty.o(.text+0x3532): undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' > tty.o(.text+0x354e): undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' > tty.o(.text+0x3629): undefined reference to `XCreateSimpleWindow' > tty.o(.text+0x368c): undefined reference to `XCreateGC' > tty.o(.text+0x36c3): undefined reference to `XCreateGC' > tty.o(.text+0x36e0): undefined reference to `XSetNormalHints' > tty.o(.text+0x370a): undefined reference to `XSelectInput' > tty.o(.text+0x371e): undefined reference to `XMapWindow' > tty.o(.text+0x3729): undefined reference to `XFlush' > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 9:29:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C8D14D44 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id CAA08281; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:29:22 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36F13794.8F1A07AB@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 02:27:48 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Taylor Cc: Jonathan Frazier , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Problems building 3.1-STABLE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is most likely an artifact of a bad interaction between doscmd, re-enabled in stable recently, and the upgrade target. With the word, Jordan, master of both the upgrade target and the person who re-enabled doscmd. :-) Brett Taylor wrote: > > Hi, > > Jonathan wrote: > > 4 nights ago I used cvsup and to move from 2.2.8-STABLE to 3.1-STABLE. > > I used "make aout-to-elf-build" as the Makefile specifies, yet still > > encounter many errors. I have tried every which way of building and > > always get the same error. It happens towards the end of the build (so > > I sit watching for 2 hours before I get the errors). > > Yeah! I've been getting exactly the same errors - I figured I'd been > doing something stupid but at least one other person is getting this. I > get the same errors if I just use "make upgrade" too. I too would > appreciate any help in figuring this out... > > > /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/tty.c:2212: warning: passing arg 2 of > > `register_callback' from incompatible pointer type > > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDISASSEMBLER > > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/xms.c > > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I. -I/usr/X11R6/include -DDISASSEMBLER > > -I/usr/obj/elf/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -o doscmd AsyncIO.o > > ParseBuffer.o bios.o callback.o cpu.o dos.o cmos.o config.o cwd.o > > debug.o disktab.o doscmd.o ems.o emuint.o exe.o i386-pinsn.o int.o > > int10.o int13.o int14.o int16.o int17.o int1a.o int2f.o intff.o mem.o > > mouse.o net.o port.o setver.o signal.o timer.o trace.o trap.o tty.o > > xms.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 > > tty.o: In function `video_setborder': > > tty.o(.text+0x25f): undefined reference to `XSetWindowBackground' > > tty.o: In function `setgc': > > tty.o(.text+0x2f5): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' > > tty.o: In function `video_update': > > tty.o(.text+0x50e): undefined reference to `XDrawImageString' > > tty.o(.text+0x597): undefined reference to `XDrawImageString' > > tty.o(.text+0x68a): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' > > tty.o(.text+0x712): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' > > tty.o(.text+0x7be): undefined reference to `XChangeGC' > > tty.o(.text+0x7fb): undefined reference to `XFillRectangle' > > tty.o(.text+0x809): undefined reference to `XFlush' > > tty.o: In function `debug_event': > > tty.o(.text+0xc48): undefined reference to `XBell' > > tty.o(.text+0xc53): undefined reference to `XFlush' > > tty.o: In function `video_async_event': > > tty.o(.text+0x1233): undefined reference to `XFlush' > > tty.o(.text+0x124b): undefined reference to `XNextEvent' > > tty.o(.text+0x12c7): undefined reference to `XFlush' > > tty.o(.text+0x12fc): undefined reference to `XNextEvent' > > tty.o: In function `video_event': > > tty.o(.text+0x17f4): undefined reference to `XLookupString' > > tty.o(.text+0x1978): undefined reference to `XLookupString' > > tty.o: In function `tty_write': > > tty.o(.text+0x27fe): undefined reference to `XBell' > > tty.o: In function `KbdWrite': > > tty.o(.text+0x3083): undefined reference to `XBell' > > tty.o: In function `video_init': > > tty.o(.text+0x33e1): undefined reference to `XOpenDisplay' > > tty.o(.text+0x3408): undefined reference to `XDisplayName' > > tty.o(.text+0x34df): undefined reference to `XAllocNamedColor' > > tty.o(.text+0x3532): undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' > > tty.o(.text+0x354e): undefined reference to `XLoadQueryFont' > > tty.o(.text+0x3629): undefined reference to `XCreateSimpleWindow' > > tty.o(.text+0x368c): undefined reference to `XCreateGC' > > tty.o(.text+0x36c3): undefined reference to `XCreateGC' > > tty.o(.text+0x36e0): undefined reference to `XSetNormalHints' > > tty.o(.text+0x370a): undefined reference to `XSelectInput' > > tty.o(.text+0x371e): undefined reference to `XMapWindow' > > tty.o(.text+0x3729): undefined reference to `XFlush' > > *** Error code 1 > > > > Stop. > Brett > *********************************************************** > Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * > brett@daemonnews.org * > * > http://www.daemonnews.org/ * > *********************************************************** > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "What happened?" "It moved, sir!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 10:47:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (stampede.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.45.124]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100BE1546A for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:47:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from bubble.didi.com (tfx-us5-26.ix.netcom.com [204.30.67.186]) by stampede.cs.berkeley.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21269; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by bubble.didi.com (8.9.2/8.8.8) id KAA31592; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:46:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:46:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903181846.KAA31592@bubble.didi.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bubble.didi.com: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <98941.921715808@zippy.cdrom.com> (jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Subject: Re: Decision on the 3.2 release date. From: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) References: <98941.921715808@zippy.cdrom.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" * Yes, but given some of the issues I know to be outstanding, I also * knew we wouldn't make May 15th if we wanted to do 3.2 "right" as many * people have indicated. It would end up being a "schedule for May and * slip to June" release anyway, so why not just be honest about that * up-front? :-) It's fine if you think May 15th is unrealistic. But please don't say "quarterly interval" to justify the June 15th date because it clearly is not. :) By the way, June 15th is just three or four days after Usenix, so that's probably not a good date either. As far as package buildings are concerned, I'd like to have at least one week separation from Usenix so people who have to travel more than 2 hours have a chance to settle down and fix up their ports instead of rushing them in. (Actually, doing it *before* Usenix is even better for us, but anyway.) Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 11:33:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643F3154D5 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:32:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18152; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:31:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Gabriel Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Availability of 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:12:44 EST." <199903181412.JAA22422@discover.laker.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 11:31:48 -0800 Message-ID: <18150.921785508@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I grabbed 2.2.8-19990120-SNAP from the German ftp site. When will the new > snapshot be released? Will WC have a CD made of this snapshot? 1. I don't know yet. 2. It will be on the toolkit CDROM. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 12: 5:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.lonetree.com (falcon.lonetree.com [207.141.55.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74BA154E9 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:05:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfnet@wolfnet-irc.org) Received: from wolfnet-irc.org (users.wolfnet-irc.org [209.64.46.42]) by falcon.lonetree.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29794 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:05:23 -0700 Message-ID: <36F15DAD.FBE071E5@wolfnet-irc.org> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:10:21 -0700 From: Jonathan Frazier Organization: The WolfNet-IRC Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Problems building 3.1-STABLE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As it was pointed out to me, my problem was the addition of doscmd. An aout-to-elf in any manner or form can not be built with doscmd. Solution: Go to your /usr/src/usr.bin/Makefile and delete the doscmd line. Then make aout-to-elf-build. After that has completed and you have upgraded to ELF and reconfigured the system, you can put that line back in the Makefile and 'make buildworld' (If you REALLY want doscmd). Hope this helps some of you out there racking your brains. It took me 4 days and help from a few cool ppl on the stable mailing list to get it right. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 12:11:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from xylan.com (postal.xylan.com [208.8.0.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A553414E2D; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from mailhub.xylan.com by xylan.com (8.8.7/SMI-SVR4 (xylan-mgw 2.2 [OUT])) id MAA29050; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from utah.XYLAN.COM by mailhub.xylan.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (mailhub 2.1 [HUB])) id MAA14950; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:11:24 -0800 Received: from softweyr.com by utah.XYLAN.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (xylan utah [SPOOL])) id NAA11281; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: <36F15DDB.2996A3C8@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:11:07 -0700 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: fxp driver causing lockup] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear -STABLE and -NET friends, I and several other users have been having problems with the fxp0 driver under FreeBSD 3.x. Mike Spengler provided me with a code snippet that fixes the problem; the PCI bus code was no longer enabling bus mastering so the driver had to do it. Here is a patch that fixes the problem for my Toshiba Equuium 7000S with on-board EEPro 100+. Please, if any of you have 3.x with an EEPro 100, test this patch even if you don't have the problem and get back to me with your results. Many thanks. Here's the diff vs. 3.1-RELEASE: *** if_fxp.c.orig Wed Mar 17 17:06:51 1999 --- if_fxp.c Wed Mar 17 17:23:09 1999 *************** *** 98,103 **** --- 98,104 ---- #include /* for DELAY */ #include + #include /* for PCIM_CMD_xxx */ #include #include *************** *** 523,528 **** --- 524,530 ---- vm_offset_t pbase; struct ifnet *ifp; int s; + u_long val; sc = malloc(sizeof(struct fxp_softc), M_DEVBUF, M_NOWAIT); if (sc == NULL) *************** *** 531,536 **** --- 533,545 ---- callout_handle_init(&sc->stat_ch); s = splimp(); + + /* + * Enable bus mastering. + */ + val = pci_conf_read(config_id, PCI_COMMAND_STATUS_REG); + val |= (PCIM_CMD_MEMEN|PCIM_CMD_BUSMASTEREN); + pci_conf_write(config_id, PCI_COMMAND_STATUS_REG, val); /* * Map control/status registers. Thanks in advance for any testing you can provide. -- Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket? Wes Peters +1.801.915.2061 Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 12:20:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0117C14F2B; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:20:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18397; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: asami@FreeBSD.ORG (Satoshi Asami) Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Decision on the 3.2 release date. In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:46:48 PST." <199903181846.KAA31592@bubble.didi.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 12:21:04 -0800 Message-ID: <18395.921788464@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > By the way, June 15th is just three or four days after Usenix, so > that's probably not a good date either. As far as package buildings > are concerned, I'd like to have at least one week separation from Well, we can *try* for May 15th if you'd like... - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 13:13:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f138.hotmail.com [207.82.251.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0418714E33 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:13:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from falcorus@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 29462 invoked by uid 0); 18 Mar 1999 21:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990318211320.29461.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.26.130.123 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:13:19 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.26.130.123] From: "Taras Bendik" To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:13:19 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 13:15:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from k6n1.znh.org (unknown [207.109.235.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F67E14E78 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:14:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@uffdaonline.net) Received: (from zach@localhost) by k6n1.znh.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id VAA39940; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:12:55 GMT (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19990318151255.B39713@znh.org> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:12:55 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: "Daniel C. Sobral" , Brett Taylor Cc: Jonathan Frazier , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Problems building 3.1-STABLE References: <36F13794.8F1A07AB@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36F13794.8F1A07AB@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:27:48AM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:27:48AM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > This is most likely an artifact of a bad interaction between doscmd, > re-enabled in stable recently, and the upgrade target. I'll make the bet that /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.* are a.out ... An UPGRADING variable could be defined, and something similar to: [in /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/Makefile, line 29] -.if exists(${X11BASE}/include) && exists(${XLIBDIR}/libX11.a) +.if exists(${X11BASE}/include) && exists(${XLIBDIR}/libX11.a) && !defined(UPGRADING) done... > With the word, Jordan, master of both the upgrade target and the > person who re-enabled doscmd. :-) -- Zach Heilig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 13:28:30 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2CD154C8 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:28:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA08303 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:28:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:28:06 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199903182128.WAA08303@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: STABLE-199903?? where? Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 RZTUC(3) PL2] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I wrote in list.freebsd-stable: > I'm trying to make a snapshot of today right now. If it > works, it'll appear on the above FTP site later this day. Of course, it didn't work. :-( "make buildworld" ran fine, but "make release" died after some time somewhere in perl with a completely useless error message: Can't open perl script "-e": Device not configured I guess my CVS repository is broken. I'll newfs it and try from scratch... Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 14:17:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0B7154DC for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:17:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.1/8.8.8) id OAA18655 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:17:18 -0800 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda18653; Thu Mar 18 14:17:12 1999 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA20409 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:17:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903182217.OAA20409@passer.osg.gov.bc.ca> Received: from localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "passer.osg.gov.bc.ca" via SMTP by localhost.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpdo20404; Thu Mar 18 14:16:47 1999 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-OS: FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE X-Sender: cschuber To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: vmstat avm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 14:16:47 -0800 From: Cy Schubert Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've noticed some strangeness in 3.1R and 2.2.8R vmstat output on idle systems. 2.2.8R (Kerberos server): 0 0 0 2444 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 5 1 0 0 100 0 0 0 2444 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 4 1 0 0 100 0 0 0 4155908 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 230 6 1 0 0 100 procs memory page faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr w0 in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 4155908 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 241 6 2 0 0 100 0 0 0 4155332 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 232 4 1 0 0 100 0 0 0 4155332 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 232 4 1 0 0 100 0 0 0 2364 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 7 1 0 0 100 0 0 0 2364 65708 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 231 4 1 0 0 100 3.1R (my desktop system): 1 1 0 2528 5656 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 306 434 144 98 2 0 0 1 0 1972 5656 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 293 375 150 19 1 79 1 1 0 4193736 5656 409 0 0 0 408 0 0 0 0 307 482 104 4 2 94 0 1 0 4192172 5656 27 0 0 0 27 0 0 0 0 327 838 171 3 1 96 procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr fd0 da0 sa0 in sy cs us sy id 1 1 0 4190616 5652 27 0 0 0 26 0 0 0 0 310 592 127 3 1 97 0 1 0 4191100 5652 10 0 0 0 9 0 0 0 0 307 324 76 1 0 99 0 1 0 4191688 5652 12 0 0 0 11 0 0 0 0 247 140 36 2 0 97 1 1 0 4191688 5652 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 260 207 53 1 0 99 0 1 0 4191688 5652 410 0 0 0 409 0 0 0 0 350 754 166 5 2 93 0 1 0 37096 5636 18 1 0 0 14 0 0 1 0 263 241 55 1 1 99 0 1 0 37680 5636 19 0 0 0 19 0 0 0 0 314 549 129 3 2 95 I don't understand why avm (active virtual memory) occasionally peaks at 4GB, then settles down to a more reasonable value. Is this a bug or is there something that I don't understand? There is probably a simple explanation for this. It just escapes me right now. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Open Systems Group Internet: Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca ITSD Cy.Schubert@gems8.gov.bc.ca Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 15:29:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9E614E78 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Mark_Prince@lard.demon.co.uk) Received: from [158.152.36.188] (helo=lard.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10NmDP-0004Rr-0K for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:28:40 +0000 Message-ID: <36F18B82.12EB@lard.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:25:54 +0000 From: Mark Prince Reply-To: Mark_Prince@lard.demon.co.uk Organization: Really Reliable Systems Ltd X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 15:49:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE8A14C0B; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:49:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haro@tk.kubota.co.jp) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id IAA29791; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:48:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (4.1) id xma029555; Fri, 19 Mar 99 08:47:47 +0900 Received: from jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W9-98080410) with ESMTP id IAA12461; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp (8.9.2/3.7W-02/21/99) with ESMTP id IAA00392; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:44:50 +0900 (JST) To: beaupran@jsp.umontreal.ca, spidey@libdns.qc.ca Cc: kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:59:02 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990319084450Y.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:44:50 +0900 From: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp (Munehiro Matsuda) X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 44 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Spidey Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:59:02 -0500 (EST) ::I try to disable a lot of devices, without success. I still get no sound. :: ::What do I have here... :: ::pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 10 drq 1 ::flags 0x15 on isa ::atkbd0 irq 1 on isa ::sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa ::sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 5 on isa ::pcm0 not probed due to drq conflict with pcm1 at 1 ::fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa ::wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa ::npx0 on motherboard ::npx0: INT 16 interface ::vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa :: :: ::These are about the only devices that I enabled in my kernel, and still... First. You seem to be using pcm1. So, how about trying: # cd /dev # ./MAKEDEV snd1 Second. You seem to have conflicting drq set. If you are going to be using pcm1 as default, how about changing pcm0 setting in config file? from: device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 to: device pcm0 Haro, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Developement, Kubota Corp. /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-32454-3315 Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 16: 3:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3225E14F64 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:03:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@t-f-i.freeserve.co.uk) Received: from modem-23.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.23]) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Nmks-00076b-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:03:15 +0000 From: john@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk (John Murphy) To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Confusion Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:02:47 GMT Organization: not a lot.org Reply-To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Message-ID: <36f2887f.15216473@smtp.freeserve.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi. I'm a newcomer to FreeBSD/Unix. There may be millions like me along shortly, and many may make the same mistake. Generally, given the choice of a version marked 2.2.8 Stable or 3.0 Release we would expect the latter to be the better choice. We should not be expected to search the net to find the real differences. If Mr. Gates were to release windows 2000-Release, people would buy it without a notion that it might be ``primarily aimed at developers and early-adopters''. We may not realise that FreeBSD is marketed/developed in an entirely different way. I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm sure it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. I have nothing but respect and admiration for the FreeBSD core members and developers. I'm amazed that the result of so much hard work is just given away. Having received such a fine gift I am definitely not complaining. The few problems I have with it will be resolved shortly, I'm sure. I suggest that future CDRom releases from the current branch be labeled Un-Stable. I know this sounds weird at first, but it would put any newcomer off buying something unsuitable for first time use. Everyone in the know of course would buy it regardless. --=20 Sorry if I'm totally out of order / off topic here. John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 16:10:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4635514EA5 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:10:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jobaldwi@vt.edu) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA22674; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.63]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11182; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:10:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <36F15DAD.FBE071E5@wolfnet-irc.org> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:10:27 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Jonathan Frazier Subject: RE: Problems building 3.1-STABLE Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 18-Mar-99 Jonathan Frazier wrote: > As it was pointed out to me, my problem was the addition of doscmd. An > aout-to-elf in any manner or form can not be built with doscmd. > Solution: Go to your /usr/src/usr.bin/Makefile and delete the doscmd > line. Then make aout-to-elf-build. After that has completed and you > have upgraded to ELF and reconfigured the system, you can put that line > back in the Makefile and 'make buildworld' (If you REALLY want doscmd). > Hope this helps some of you out there racking your brains. It took me 4 > days and help from a few cool ppl on the stable mailing list to get it > right. You can also just go to /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd and run make; make install; make clean to install doscmd after the upgrade without having to do a whole other buildworld. > -- > Jonathan --- John Baldwin -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 16:33:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dei.calldei.com (dei.calldei.com [205.179.37.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FE915528 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:33:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@dei.calldei.com) Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by dei.calldei.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA13665; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:32:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 16:32:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Costello To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <36f2887f.15216473@smtp.freeserve.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. FreeBSD's -STABLE version is at 3.1 already, and I don't see much of a point with sticking with -RELEASE, since I don't believe -RELEASE is ever updated, whereas -STABLE is. -Chris On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, John Murphy wrote: > Hi. > I'm a newcomer to FreeBSD/Unix. There may be millions like me along > shortly, and many may make the same mistake. Generally, given the > choice of a version marked 2.2.8 Stable or 3.0 Release we would expect > the latter to be the better choice. We should not be expected to > search the net to find the real differences. If Mr. Gates were to > release windows 2000-Release, people would buy it without a notion > that it might be ``primarily aimed at developers and early-adopters''. > We may not realise that FreeBSD is marketed/developed in an entirely > different way. > > I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm sure > it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my > disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says > ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development > environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. > > I have nothing but respect and admiration for the FreeBSD core > members and developers. I'm amazed that the result of so much hard > work is just given away. Having received such a fine gift I am > definitely not complaining. The few problems I have with it will be > resolved shortly, I'm sure. > > I suggest that future CDRom releases from the current branch be > labeled Un-Stable. I know this sounds weird at first, but it would > put any newcomer off buying something unsuitable for first time use. > Everyone in the know of course would buy it regardless. > > -- > Sorry if I'm totally out of order / off topic here. > John. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 17:22: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194F214F11; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:21:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA01446; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: Munehiro Matsuda Cc: kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990319084450Y.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK. I made (cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV snd1) already. And I tried to recompile my kernel with: controller pnp0 device pcm0 ,simply, without effect. I don't understand what I am missing. There is almost nothing I changed in my system, except the fact that I move from 3.0R to -stable... Maybe I should try to get back to snd0, opl, etc. On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > From: Spidey > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 10:59:02 -0500 (EST) > ::I try to disable a lot of devices, without success. I still get no sound. > :: > ::What do I have here... > :: > ::pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 10 drq 1 > ::flags 0x15 on isa > ::atkbd0 irq 1 on isa > ::sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa > ::sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 5 on isa > ::pcm0 not probed due to drq conflict with pcm1 at 1 > ::fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa > ::wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa > ::npx0 on motherboard > ::npx0: INT 16 interface > ::vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa > :: > :: > ::These are about the only devices that I enabled in my kernel, and still... > > First. You seem to be using pcm1. So, how about trying: > > # cd /dev > # ./MAKEDEV snd1 > > Second. You seem to have conflicting drq set. If you are going to be > using pcm1 as default, how about changing pcm0 setting in config file? > > from: > > device pcm0 at isa? port ? tty irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 > > to: > device pcm0 > > Haro, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda > -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Developement, Kubota Corp. > /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome > Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan > Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-32454-3315 > Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp > When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 17:48:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299FA14CA0; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 17:48:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haro@tk.kubota.co.jp) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id KAA12107; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:47:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (4.1) id xma011920; Fri, 19 Mar 99 10:47:14 +0900 Received: from jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W9-98080410) with ESMTP id KAA20624; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:47:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp (8.9.2/3.7W-02/21/99) with ESMTP id KAA00553; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:44:26 +0900 (JST) To: beaupran@jsp.umontreal.ca, spidey@libdns.qc.ca Cc: kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:21:21 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990319104426E.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:44:26 +0900 From: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp (Munehiro Matsuda) X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 31 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Spidey Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) ::OK. I made (cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV snd1) already. :: ::And I tried to recompile my kernel with: :: ::controller pnp0 ::device pcm0 :: ::,simply, without effect. :: ::I don't understand what I am missing. There is almost nothing I changed in ::my system, except the fact that I move from 3.0R to -stable... The last thing that comes in my mind is, how is your mixer settings? Just type 'mixer' and see what comes out. % mixer Haro, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Developement, Kubota Corp. /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-32454-3315 Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 18: 0:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D045B14CA3; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:00:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id VAA03405; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:00:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:00:06 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: Munehiro Matsuda Cc: kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990319104426E.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No. That's not it either... 'would have been funny though... Mixer vol is currently set to 90:90 Mixer bass is currently set to 75:75 Mixer treble is currently set to 75:75 Mixer synth is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer speaker is currently set to 75:75 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 16:16 Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 Mixer igain is currently set to 75:75 Mixer ogain is currently set to 75:75 On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Munehiro Matsuda wrote: > From: Spidey > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) > ::OK. I made (cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV snd1) already. > :: > ::And I tried to recompile my kernel with: > :: > ::controller pnp0 > ::device pcm0 > :: > ::,simply, without effect. > :: > ::I don't understand what I am missing. There is almost nothing I changed in > ::my system, except the fact that I move from 3.0R to -stable... > > The last thing that comes in my mind is, how is your mixer settings? > Just type 'mixer' and see what comes out. > > % mixer > > > Haro, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda > -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Developement, Kubota Corp. > /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome > Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan > Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-32454-3315 > Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp > > > When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 18:51:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ptd.net (srv1.ptd.net [204.186.0.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5ECD914CA0 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 18:51:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nickf@ptd.net) Received: (qmail 16579 invoked from network); 19 Mar 1999 02:51:08 -0000 Received: from cs5-1.pot.ptd.net (HELO ranger.nick.net) (204.186.34.65) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 19 Mar 1999 02:51:08 -0000 Received: by ranger.nick.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BE7189.C32FCAA0@ranger.nick.net>; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:53:31 -0500 Message-ID: <01BE7189.C32FCAA0@ranger.nick.net> From: Nick Folino To: "'me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk'" , "freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: Confusion Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:53:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I suggest that future CDRom releases from the current branch be labeled Un-Stable. I know this sounds weird at first, but it would put any newcomer off buying something unsuitable for first time use. Everyone in the know of course would buy it regardless. That would not make too much sense IMHO. Even current snaps of fbsd are more stable than anything I've seen out of Redmond. Nick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 19: 2:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563D214F4E for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:02:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19673; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:02:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:02:47 GMT." <36f2887f.15216473@smtp.freeserve.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:02:40 -0800 Message-ID: <19671.921812560@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm sure > it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my > disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says > ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development > environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. You just haven't looked very carefully. ;) From the README.TXT in 3.0-RELEASE: TARGET AUDIENCE: ---------------- This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various other folks who want to get on board with 3.0 and are willing to deal with the various down-sides of a "dot-zero" release. We have naturally done our best to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the first release on a branch which has seen some very radical changes from 2.2.x (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), it's also very new technology and will require at least one more release along the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production" purposes. This is one of the reasons why the 2.2.x branch will be continuing into November, with the scheduled release of 2.2.8, and possibly a bit beyond. If you're both technically proficient and know exactly what you're getting into here (e.g. you've been following -current) then 3.0 is probably for you. If you're more interested in doing business with FreeBSD than in playing with the cutting edge of technology, however, then 2.2.x is almost certainly your best bet. I'd say it's more than adequately made clear, and anyone failing to heed the above warnings deserves, to be somewhat brutal about it, exactly what they get. If you're the type to pick up guns and aim them at your head, we can't stop you, we can only tell you not to do so (as above). Those who refuse to read the README.TXT file at all are in the same boat. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 19:25:22 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pluto.ipass.net (pluto.ipass.net [198.79.53.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8198D14BDD for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmercer@ipass.net) Received: from ipass.net (ts6-171-ppp.ipass.net [198.78.59.171]) by pluto.ipass.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA27324; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:24:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F1C408.B5156356@ipass.net> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:27:04 -0500 From: "Michael E. Mercer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion References: <19671.921812560@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All, I come from a perspective of both sides. I know a little about FreeBSD because I subscribe to mailing-lists and try to keep up with FreeBSD current. BUT I agree with the consumers side in this. From what you stated below, 'From the README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought the DISKS or whatever. Also with the consumers point of view, the consumer would like to know what they have in their hands before they get it. My arguments here are weak, I know, and I don't really want to get into a battle here. This is my $.02 worth. Later Michael Mercer "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: > > > I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm sure > > it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my > > disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says > > ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development > > environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. > > You just haven't looked very carefully. ;) From the README.TXT > in 3.0-RELEASE: > > TARGET AUDIENCE: > ---------------- > This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various > other folks who want to get on board with 3.0 and are willing to deal > with the various down-sides of a "dot-zero" release. We have naturally > done our best to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the > first release on a branch which has seen some very radical changes > from 2.2.x (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), it's > also very new technology and will require at least one more release > along the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production" purposes. > This is one of the reasons why the 2.2.x branch will be continuing > into November, with the scheduled release of 2.2.8, and possibly a bit > beyond. > > If you're both technically proficient and know exactly what you're > getting into here (e.g. you've been following -current) then 3.0 is > probably for you. If you're more interested in doing business with > FreeBSD than in playing with the cutting edge of technology, however, > then 2.2.x is almost certainly your best bet. > > I'd say it's more than adequately made clear, and anyone failing to > heed the above warnings deserves, to be somewhat brutal about it, > exactly what they get. If you're the type to pick up guns and aim > them at your head, we can't stop you, we can only tell you not to do > so (as above). Those who refuse to read the README.TXT file at all > are in the same boat. > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 19:53:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from parsons.csh.rit.edu (parsons.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C9514ED7 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:53:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mfisher@csh.rit.edu) Received: from mfisher (helo=localhost) by parsons.csh.rit.edu with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10NqLZ-0009EI-00; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:53:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Fisher To: "Michael E. Mercer" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <36F1C408.B5156356@ipass.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Michael E. Mercer wrote: > BUT I agree with the consumers side in this. From what you stated > below, 'From the README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought > the DISKS or whatever. Also with the consumers point of view, > the consumer would like to know what they have in their hands > before they get it. My arguments here are weak, I know, and I don't > really want to get into a battle here. This is my $.02 worth. As a consumer, I agree with you, and I do like to know what I have in my hands before I get it. This is why I would do as much reading as possible before I made a jump to a new operating system (which I am assuming of someone buying FreeBSD in a store). I would do such things as check out the operating system's web page and investigate the materials which I was purchasing. If I didn't do sufficient research and purchased something that would not work for me, I would hope that the return policy of the outfit from which I purchased it would be gracious enough to accept a return. Most computer stores where I shop will accept returns of things which are simply unacceptable, even if the packaging has been opened. The FreeBSD documentation available on the Web is beyond that which Microsoft provides (although it has legions of magazines reporting information for it) on its site, at least in my recollection of my Windows 95 upgrade in comparison to my 3.1 upgrade process. In recollection, the documentation availabele from FreeBSD was not poorer (though less) back when I looked into 2.1.7. If the documentation provided is not enough to a new user (or potential customer), I doubt that people who answered a question posted to comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc or mailed to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org would be misdirected if they asked a question like ``I am planning on switching to FreeBSD. Should I buy 3.0 or 2.2.8?'' - -- Mike "Live for yourself -- there's no one else more worth living for." -- Rush -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0i Comment: Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNvHKMANoiUfuQq8NEQJM5gCfb35Ku+qhxrBG9r1hhblAXBFO3YkAoLsG MlPjX8fhFiWAGO7b+/jSbCfC =/EUQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 19:54:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from minubian.houabg.com (minubian.houabg.com [206.109.247.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0396F14F77 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:54:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from houcbs2.houabg.com (HOUABG.COM [206.109.247.20]) by minubian.houabg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17987 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:05:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from sdn-ar-003txhousP306.dialsprint.net by houcbs2.houabg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id GWAQK2Z9; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:03:04 -0600 Message-ID: <014c01be71bc$84bb2480$0300a8c0@dwcjr.houabg.com> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Subject: Confusion Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:56:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to have to be on Jordan's side on this one. If you are going = to invest in an operating system that you need to rely on, you should do a little research on it first. -----Original Message----- From: Michael E. Mercer To: Jordan K. Hubbard Cc: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk ; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Confusion >All, > >I come from a perspective of both sides. I know a little about >FreeBSD because I subscribe to mailing-lists and try to keep >up with FreeBSD current. > >BUT I agree with the consumers side in this. From what you stated >below, 'From the README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought >the DISKS or whatever. Also with the consumers point of view, >the consumer would like to know what they have in their hands >before they get it. My arguments here are weak, I know, and I don't >really want to get into a battle here. This is my $.02 worth. > >Later >Michael Mercer > > >"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: >> >> > I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm = sure >> > it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my >> > disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says >> > ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development >> > environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. >> >> You just haven't looked very carefully. ;) From the README.TXT >> in 3.0-RELEASE: >> >> TARGET AUDIENCE: >> ---------------- >> This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various >> other folks who want to get on board with 3.0 and are willing to deal >> with the various down-sides of a "dot-zero" release. We have = naturally >> done our best to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the >> first release on a branch which has seen some very radical changes >> from 2.2.x (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), = it's >> also very new technology and will require at least one more release >> along the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production" purposes. >> This is one of the reasons why the 2.2.x branch will be continuing >> into November, with the scheduled release of 2.2.8, and possibly a = bit >> beyond. >> >> If you're both technically proficient and know exactly what you're >> getting into here (e.g. you've been following -current) then 3.0 is >> probably for you. If you're more interested in doing business with >> FreeBSD than in playing with the cutting edge of technology, however, >> then 2.2.x is almost certainly your best bet. >> >> I'd say it's more than adequately made clear, and anyone failing to >> heed the above warnings deserves, to be somewhat brutal about it, >> exactly what they get. If you're the type to pick up guns and aim >> them at your head, we can't stop you, we can only tell you not to do >> so (as above). Those who refuse to read the README.TXT file at all >> are in the same boat. >> >> - Jordan >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- We are Micro$oft, you will be assimilated.. your technological weakness will be added to our own.. resistance is Futile! ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm going to have to be on Jordan's side on this one.  If you = are=20 going to
invest in an operating system that you need to rely on, you = should=20 do a
little research on it first.


-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Michael E. Mercer <mmercer@ipass.net>
To: = Jordan K.=20 Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
Cc: = me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk = <me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk>= ;
freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG= <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG= >
Date:=20 Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:44 PM
Subject: Re:=20 Confusion


>All,
>
>I come from a perspective = of both=20 sides. I know a little about
>FreeBSD because I subscribe to = mailing-lists=20 and try to keep
>up with FreeBSD current.
>
>BUT I = agree with=20 the consumers side in this. From what you stated
>below, 'From the = README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought
>the DISKS or = whatever.=20 Also with the consumers point of view,
>the consumer would like to = know=20 what they have in their hands
>before they get it. My = arguments  here=20 are weak, I know, and I don't
>really want to get into a battle = here. This=20 is my $.02 worth.
>
>Later
>Michael=20 Mercer
>
>
>"Jordan K. Hubbard"=20 wrote:
>>
>> > I've not actually seen the FBSD = disks in the=20 shops yet, but I'm sure
>> > it won't be long before they = are=20 available that way. Nowhere (on my
>> > disk set at least) = does it=20 mention the above quote. In fact it says
>> > ``If you want = stable=20 networking and a powerful development
>> > environment, = FreeBSD is=20 the Operating system for you''.
>>
>> You just haven't = looked=20 very carefully. ;)  From the README.TXT
>> in=20 3.0-RELEASE:
>>
>> TARGET AUDIENCE:
>>=20 ----------------
>> This release is aimed primarily at = early-adopters=20 and the various
>> other folks who want to get on board with = 3.0 and=20 are willing to deal
>> with the various down-sides of a=20 "dot-zero" release.  We have naturally
>> done = our best=20 to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the
>> first = release=20 on a branch which has seen some very radical changes
>> from = 2.2.x=20 (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), it's
>> = also=20 very new technology and will require at least one more = release
>> along=20 the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production"=20 purposes.
>> This is one of the reasons why the 2.2.x branch = will be=20 continuing
>> into November, with the scheduled release of = 2.2.8, and=20 possibly a bit
>> beyond.
>>
>> If you're = both=20 technically proficient and know exactly what you're
>> getting = into=20 here (e.g. you've been following -current) then 3.0 is
>> = probably for=20 you.  If you're more interested in doing business with
>> = FreeBSD=20 than in playing with the cutting edge of technology, = however,
>> then=20 2.2.x is almost certainly your best bet.
>>
>> I'd say = it's=20 more than adequately made clear, and anyone failing to
>> heed = the=20 above warnings deserves, to be somewhat brutal about it,
>> = exactly=20 what they get.  If you're the type to pick up guns and = aim
>> them=20 at your head, we can't stop you, we can only tell you not to = do
>> so=20 (as above).  Those who refuse to read the README.TXT file at=20 all
>> are in the same boat.
>>
>> -=20 Jordan
>>
>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
>&g= t; with=20 "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the=20 message
>
>
>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
>wi= th=20 "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the = message
 
 

------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------
We=20 are Micro$oft, you will be assimilated..
your technological weakness = will be=20 added to our own..
resistance is Futile!
------=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 20:35:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lazlo.tci.com (coral.tci.com [198.178.8.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA412155C5 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:35:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@tci.com) Received: from tci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lazlo.tci.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA06877; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:35:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chris@tci.com) From: chris@tci.com Message-Id: <199903190435.VAA06877@lazlo.tci.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:35:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Confusion To: mmercer@ipass.net Cc: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <36F1C408.B5156356@ipass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 18 Mar, Michael E. Mercer wrote: > All, > > I come from a perspective of both sides. I know a little about > FreeBSD because I subscribe to mailing-lists and try to keep > up with FreeBSD current. > > BUT I agree with the consumers side in this. From what you stated > below, 'From the README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought > the DISKS or whatever. Also with the consumers point of view, > the consumer would like to know what they have in their hands > before they get it. My arguments here are weak, I know, and I don't > really want to get into a battle here. This is my $.02 worth. I have to agree. I've recently been fairly successfully in getting the NT admins where I work to to at least dip their toes in this stuff (Linux/FreeBSD). Knowing absolutely nothing about it, they're left to reading the packaging to try and figure out what it is they have in their hands. Jordan's comments may very well be true, but how is an end consumer who has never before in their life seen it supposed to see the README.TXT without first buying the package? In the Winders world (and, I would venture to say, in most others) the more recent version of Product X is always preferred over the older alternative. chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 20:55:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tsolab.org (dnn.rockefeller.edu [129.85.17.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722671550F for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:54:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: from dna.tsolab.org (dna.tsolab.org [129.85.17.125]) by tsolab.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02610; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:54:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan@dna.tsolab.org) Received: by dna.tsolab.org (AAA10701); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:01:18 -0500 From: "Dan Ts'o" Message-Id: <199903190501.AAA10701@dna.tsolab.org> Subject: Re: Confusion To: chris@tci.com Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:01:16 -0500 (EST) Cc: mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903190435.VAA06877@lazlo.tci.com> from "chris@tci.com" at Mar 18, 99 09:35:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Jordan's comments may very well be true, but how is an > end consumer who has never before in their life seen it supposed to see > the README.TXT without first buying the package? uh... the Release Notes are easily available on the Web, as are many other bits of info that would have provided the same pictures. I wouldn't ever deploy ANY OS Unix, Windows or whatever, without getting some kind of feedback from its user community, not only about what that OS is like in general, but what specific release, patchlevel etc is the best to go with at that particular point in time. > In the Winders world > (and, I would venture to say, in most others) the more recent version > of Product X is always preferred over the older alternative. I most certainly disagree with this statement. I guess you don't remember the fiasco with DOS 4.0, or Windows 3.0. With nearly ever milestone release of a MS OS, it was very questionable about moving to it quickly -- in fact foolish to do so. WinNT 3.1 was a joke and it wasn't until 3.51 that it arguably useable. The transition to Win95 was gradual -- if it wasn't for those MS forced-preloads, it would have taken much longer. Remember the nickname for WfWG 3.11 was Windows for Warehouses, because no one wanted to transition to it (again it took the MS forced-preloads to start the ball rolling, after at least 6-9 months of stalled deployment). Corporate MIS is very leery of jumping to major releases, and rightfully so. They are currently very leery of moving to NT 5.0. So the move to FreeBSD 3.0, by its very numbering as a dot-zero release should have been enough to prompt SOME investigation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 20:56:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cerebus.nectar.com (nectar-gw.nectar.com [204.0.249.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EEE014E7D for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:56:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by cerebus.nectar.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA40046; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:55:59 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nectar@nectar.com) Received: from spawn.nectar.com(10.0.0.101) by cerebus.nectar.com via smap (V2.1) id xma040044; Thu, 18 Mar 99 22:55:49 -0600 Received: from spawn.nectar.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spawn.nectar.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA51265; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:55:50 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nectar@spawn.nectar.com) Message-Id: <199903190455.WAA51265@spawn.nectar.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 X-PGP-RSAfprint: 00 F9 E6 A2 C5 4D 0A 76 26 8B 8B 57 73 D0 DE EE X-PGP-RSAkey: http://www.nectar.com/nectar-pgp262.txt From: Jacques Vidrine In-reply-to: <199903190435.VAA06877@lazlo.tci.com> References: <199903190435.VAA06877@lazlo.tci.com> Subject: Re: Confusion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To: chris@tci.com Cc: mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:55:50 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This thread was originally about consumers, and I don't wish to comment on this market. This posting, however, goes into other waters... On 18 March 1999 at 21:35, chris@tci.com wrote: [snip] > I have to agree. I've recently been fairly successfully in getting the > NT admins where I work to to at least dip their toes in this stuff > (Linux/FreeBSD). [snip] > In the Winders world > (and, I would venture to say, in most others) the more recent version > of Product X is always preferred over the older alternative. This last sentence is simply not true in the real world, especially with regard to ``.0'' releases. IT professionals know this. Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 21:41:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lazlo.tci.com (coral.tci.com [198.178.8.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ECFC14CFD for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@tci.com) Received: from tci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lazlo.tci.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA07008; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:40:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chris@tci.com) From: chris@tci.com Message-Id: <199903190540.WAA07008@lazlo.tci.com> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:40:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Confusion To: dan@dna.tsolab.org Cc: mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <199903190501.AAA10701@dna.tsolab.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 19 Mar, Dan Ts'o wrote: > > uh... the Release Notes are easily available on the Web, as are > many other bits of info that would have provided the same pictures. > I wouldn't ever deploy ANY OS Unix, Windows or whatever, without getting > some kind of feedback from its user community, not only about what that One of the NT guys once told me that, "It [some ms server product] is so simple to set up that monkeys could do it." I replied with, "Apparently, they are." The point I'm making here is just to show that, as computers get easier for people to use, more and more people who know less and less about them are now using them. In today's world, it's not long before these same people are helping make decisions about what to use and what not. > I most certainly disagree with this statement. I guess you don't > remember the fiasco with DOS 4.0, or Windows 3.0. With nearly ever No, you're right, I most certainly don't remember this. I was in the DEC VAX and PDP world at the time and had considered PCs to be toys. > milestone release of a MS OS, it was very questionable about moving to > it quickly -- in fact foolish to do so. WinNT 3.1 was a joke and it > wasn't until 3.51 that it arguably useable. The transition to Win95 was > gradual -- if it wasn't for those MS forced-preloads, it would have taken > much longer. Remember the nickname for WfWG 3.11 was Windows for Warehouses, > because no one wanted to transition to it (again it took the MS forced-preloads > to start the ball rolling, after at least 6-9 months of stalled deployment). > > Corporate MIS is very leery of jumping to major releases, and Perhaps in your experience this is true. I work at a large company, and have personally seen Microsoft come in and feed us all kinds of hogwash and FUD (a separate thread by itself). IMHO, labels of vX.0 mean virtually nothing any more - it's just yet another version of Software X. > rightfully so. They are currently very leery of moving to NT 5.0. In my experience this is very true, although it has absolutely nothing to do with NT5 being named a ".0" release > So the move to FreeBSD 3.0, by its very numbering as a dot-zero > release should have been enough to prompt SOME investigation. We're getting off track here. The primary point I was agreeing with is that, without clearly labeled packaging, the current naming scheme is confusing to consumers. Many of the people who admin today's systems are young enough to not remember the problems encountered while DOS grew up and rightfully couldn't care; it's ancient history and things change in this world ever so quickly. More recent versions of something are preferred over older versions. Look, the NT admins I know who are getting their feet wet are doing it of their own free will - they're wanting to check out what all the hype about OSS and the like is about. They go to retail stores, check out the packaging, and buy what they think is the "better" product. I'm happy as Hell they're doing this, but do we really want to be confusing people from the very start. Remember the Betamax? chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 22: 2:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B27C914F97 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:01:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04684; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:00:51 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00776; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:00:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:00:43 +0100 (CET) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: chris@tci.com Cc: dan@dna.tsolab.org, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903190540.WAA07008@lazlo.tci.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 chris@tci.com wrote: > One of the NT guys once told me that, "It [some ms server product] is so > simple to set up that monkeys could do it." I replied with, > "Apparently, they are." The point I'm making here is just to show > that, as computers get easier for people to use, more and more people > who know less and less about them are now using them. In today's > world, it's not long before these same people are helping make decisions > about what to use and what not. They allready do in most cases ...Management is worst in this instance becuase those boys only want to read glossy ads..anything more is to strenious(SP?) for them... > Look, the NT admins I know who are getting their feet wet are doing it > of their own free will - they're wanting to check out what all the hype > about OSS and the like is about. They go to retail stores, check out > the packaging, and buy what they think is the "better" product. I'm > happy as Hell they're doing this, but do we really want to be confusing > people from the very start. Remember the Betamax? Yes but eh I tend to disagree with the reason behind them trying OSS. They are scared that the world is going to go with OSS for more and more tasks due to the exhorbitant prices MS is asking for their crapola. So they don't wanne mis the boat so to speak that if shit hits the fan they can always work with OSS. Michael To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 0:20:14 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kbtfw.kubota.co.jp (kbtfw.kubota.co.jp [133.253.102.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE25F14F1A; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from haro@tk.kubota.co.jp) Received: by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp; id RAA13948; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:19:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown(133.253.122.1) by kbtfw.kubota.co.jp via smap (4.1) id xma013655; Fri, 19 Mar 99 17:18:32 +0900 Received: from jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp by kbtmx.eto.kubota.co.jp (8.8.5+2.7Wbeta5/3.3W9-98080410) with ESMTP id RAA24992; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:18:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jkpc15.tk.kubota.co.jp (8.9.2/3.7W-02/21/99) with ESMTP id RAA04307; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:15:36 +0900 (JST) To: beaupran@jsp.umontreal.ca, spidey@libdns.qc.ca Cc: kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:00:06 -0500 (EST)" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990319171536Q.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 17:15:36 +0900 From: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp (Munehiro Matsuda) X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 30 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Spidey Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:00:06 -0500 (EST) ::No. That's not it either... How about enabling DEBUG mode in pcm? 1. Change following line in /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/snd/sound.h: from: #define DEB(x) to: #define DEB(x) x 2. Update source files in /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/snd # touch /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/snd/*.c 3. Recompile kernel and reboot Now what happens? Haro, ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _ _ Munehiro (haro) Matsuda -|- /_\ |_|_| Office of Business Planning & Developement, Kubota Corp. /|\ |_| |_|_| 1-3 Nihonbashi-Muromachi 3-Chome Chuo-ku Tokyo 103, Japan Tel: +81-3-3245-3318 Fax: +81-3-32454-3315 Email: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 0:20:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00BE15308 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:20:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20408; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mike Fisher Cc: "Michael E. Mercer" , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:53:19 EST." Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:20:34 -0800 Message-ID: <20406.921831634@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If I didn't do sufficient research and purchased something that would > not work for me, I would hope that the return policy of the outfit > from which I purchased it would be gracious enough to accept a return. > Most computer stores where I shop will accept returns of things which > are simply unacceptable, even if the packaging has been opened. Absolutely. If you buy the CD from Walnut Creek CDROM, at least, then you have the option of a full refund or replacement with no questions asked. Even if you didn't buy the CD from Walnut Creek CDROM, they'll happily ship you a 2.2.8 or 3.1 CD if you feel your 3.0 CD was purchased in error. An actual refund would have to be processed through the place where you bought the CD, of course, but WC will still replace it for you on request - what you do with your 3.0 RELEASE media afterwards is your business. I think that's a fairly liberal returns policy, as mail-order goes. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 1:48:28 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C52D14FC3 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA08114; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:50:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 01:50:17 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: Jacques Vidrine Cc: chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903190455.WAA51265@spawn.nectar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Last post from me on the issue. I started this thread in this list as a mistake. I followed up with saying I was sorry and agreed this should be in -chat. I think the fact that this thing is still alive after a couple days suggests that maybe the team should consider the fact that with the growing influence of Linux and other OS's. Maybe, just maybe a reminder is needed to them that in the end, this is a consumer product and the people at the head of it should think more in that way instead of thinking of it as being a hackers only OS. If the consumers aren't considered in their opinions but instead told the age old. "Read the .TXT, RTFM," etc etc. The team will in time be developing a OS for themself and nobody else. All the potential new comers will have been scared away with RTFM, etc. Not to say that is a bad thing. I agree with RTFM. But I think maybe some people involved have lost sight of the needs of the average consumer of an OS. We're not hackers, admins, or networking gods. We don't cvsup a few times a week or track different branches we simply want an OS that is not forced upon us such as MS. I would hate to think that FreeBSD has taken the 180 on MS and actualy scared folks away by simply naming the RELEASE, STABLE, CURRENT, in a manor that is not intuitive for most people. Then slaming them when they question the reasoning or ask for a clear explaination of why it is like it is. "It clearly says in the release notes for 3.0 that it's for developers". That's the kind of thing that is obviously misguided, out of touch and flat out narrow in focus in regards to marketing a product. I don't want to sound like a sniffler but. Anyone off the street that want's to test out FreeBSD and see's the name RELEASE on it should be confident that it's not "For developers". When finding out differntly. They'll go to a system that they can understand. Linux, MAC, MS etc. Keeping in mind that most people aren't going to do ftp installs, cvsup a few times a week or even get a new version on a regular basis. Unix type systems have branched out to the consumer market in a way like never before. Linux developers have taken notice of the need for a "marketable approach" to increasing the user base. I think FreeBSD should stand up and take notes to this approach. And, make things a bit more standard in the consumers point of view. 10 million some odd users of linux and growing more and more daily. There is something to be said for noticing the needs of more than just the developers, hackers, admins and guru's of other sorts. Targeting those users is fine, just so long as you don't care to expand the user base to a large degree beyond that. Now, I say a second time. This is best left for -chat -newbies I would think.. If at any point I sound ticked off, snid, or otherwise rude. It is a wrong impression on your part. I had no such intentions or thoughts while typing this. And yes I do understand that this list is NOT about marketing. But it becomes that when people are having utter confusion with the naming of the current version they are running, and ask a simple question like my original post. Sorry so long winded. Crak it up to being a FreeBSD newbie/lamer. Good day. Keith On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > This thread was originally about consumers, and I don't wish > to comment on this market. This posting, however, goes into > other waters... > > On 18 March 1999 at 21:35, chris@tci.com wrote: > [snip] > > I have to agree. I've recently been fairly successfully in getting the > > NT admins where I work to to at least dip their toes in this stuff > > (Linux/FreeBSD). > [snip] > > In the Winders world > > (and, I would venture to say, in most others) the more recent version > > of Product X is always preferred over the older alternative. > > This last sentence is simply not true in the real world, especially > with regard to ``.0'' releases. IT professionals know this. > > Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 3:39:51 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F50315034 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA02045; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:39:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36F2245F.497A719D@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:18:07 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zach Heilig Cc: Brett Taylor , Jonathan Frazier , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Problems building 3.1-STABLE References: <36F13794.8F1A07AB@newsguy.com> <19990318151255.B39713@znh.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Zach Heilig wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:27:48AM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > > This is most likely an artifact of a bad interaction between doscmd, > > re-enabled in stable recently, and the upgrade target. > > I'll make the bet that /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.* are a.out ... An > UPGRADING variable could be defined, and something similar to: > > [in /usr/src/usr.bin/doscmd/Makefile, line 29] > -.if exists(${X11BASE}/include) && exists(${XLIBDIR}/libX11.a) > +.if exists(${X11BASE}/include) && exists(${XLIBDIR}/libX11.a) && !defined(UPGRADING) > > done... Excuse me, but DOSCMD was enabled because it's dependency on X11 was supposed to have been removed. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "What happened?" "It moved, sir!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 3:40:42 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C42115519 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 03:40:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id UAA02155; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:40:05 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36F23541.FCCF8497@newsguy.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:30:09 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chris@tci.com Cc: dan@dna.tsolab.org, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion References: <199903190540.WAA07008@lazlo.tci.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG chris@tci.com wrote: > > Look, the NT admins I know who are getting their feet wet are doing it > of their own free will - they're wanting to check out what all the hype > about OSS and the like is about. They go to retail stores, check out > the packaging, and buy what they think is the "better" product. I'm > happy as Hell they're doing this, but do we really want to be confusing > people from the very start. Remember the Betamax? All .0 versions of all softwares are more unstable than the previous older version (btw, 2.2.8 was released after 3.0, but that is *way* beside the point :). That is a *fact*. Sure, you might be able to come up with a handful of exceptions, but that's all they are: exceptions. More important to this thread, *NONE* of these exceptions came from Microsoft. Whatever .0 version you buy from Microsoft, that is going to be more unstable than the former highest version. So, FreeBSD is perfect in line with MS on this one . This is not a policy decision. It is intrinsic to the whole concept of a .0 release. So, it comes down to this: we are doing no worse than anyone else. We *certainly* are doing no worse than the environment you say this people came from. And, just to hammer it down, that 3.0 is more unstable than 2.2.8 will most likely go unnoticed by then. Unless they actually get down to learn more about FreeBSD, start asking questions, and then are told 2.2.8 would have been better for them. At which point they can be enlightened about all these fine points. The only possible complain is about the *quality* of 3.0. 3.0 had it's problems, and they are mentioned in the errata, which is mentioned on the back of the cd case. It was not exactly a "bad" product, though. Just by *our* standards... -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "What happened?" "It moved, sir!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 5:14:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from k6n1.znh.org (unknown [207.109.235.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18C715508 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zach@uffdaonline.net) Received: (from zach@localhost) by k6n1.znh.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id NAA25334; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:10:39 GMT (envelope-from zach) Message-ID: <19990319071039.A25320@znh.org> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:10:39 -0600 From: Zach Heilig To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: Brett Taylor , Jonathan Frazier , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Problems building 3.1-STABLE References: <36F13794.8F1A07AB@newsguy.com> <19990318151255.B39713@znh.org> <36F2245F.497A719D@newsguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <36F2245F.497A719D@newsguy.com>; from Daniel C. Sobral on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 07:18:07PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 07:18:07PM +0900, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Excuse me, but DOSCMD was enabled because it's dependency on X11 was > supposed to have been removed. The commit message wasn't very clear... I read it to mean that it would compile properly if X11 wasn't installed. The case where the binary format is incorrect probably wasn't considered. -- Zach Heilig To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 7:11:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp10.nwnexus.com (smtp10.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FFB15508 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:11:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djenner@halcyon.com) Received: from halcyon.com (66-a-usw.rb1.blv.nwnexus.net [206.63.251.66]) by smtp10.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA12565; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:10:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36F267F2.627CC555@halcyon.com> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:06:26 -0800 From: "David C. Jenner" Organization: Northwest Nexus Net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Woodman Cc: Jacques Vidrine , chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This guy is absolutely correct. The designations RELEASE, STABLE, and CURRENT, what they mean, and the targeted audience of each are exceedingly confusing. You (FreeBSD experts who intimately know what you are doing) are cooking your own goose. If it's your goal to have your own, private enclave of FreeBSD users, you're doing great. If you want to spread the good word, you're shouting into a paper bag. Dave Keith Woodman wrote: > > Last post from me on the issue. > I started this thread in this list as a mistake. I followed up with saying > I was sorry and agreed this should be in -chat. > I think the fact that this thing is still alive after a couple days > suggests that maybe the team should consider the fact that with the > growing influence of Linux and other OS's. Maybe, just maybe a reminder is > needed to them that in the end, this is a consumer product and the people > at the head of it should think more in that way instead of thinking of it > as being a hackers only OS. If the consumers aren't considered in their > opinions but instead told the age old. "Read the .TXT, RTFM," etc etc. > The team will in time be developing a OS for themself and nobody else. > All the potential new comers will have been scared away with > RTFM, etc. Not to say that is a bad thing. I agree with RTFM. But I think > maybe some people involved have lost sight of the needs of the average > consumer of an OS. We're not hackers, admins, or networking gods. We don't > cvsup a few times a week or track different branches we simply want an > OS that is not forced upon us such as MS. I would hate to > think that FreeBSD has taken the 180 on MS and actualy scared folks away > by simply naming the RELEASE, STABLE, CURRENT, in a manor that is not > intuitive for most people. Then slaming them when they question the > reasoning or ask for a clear explaination of why it is like it is. > "It clearly says in the release notes for 3.0 that it's for developers". > That's the kind of thing that is obviously misguided, out of touch and > flat out narrow in focus in regards to marketing a product. I don't want > to sound like a sniffler but. Anyone off the street that want's to test > out FreeBSD and see's the name RELEASE on it should be confident that it's > not "For developers". When finding out differntly. They'll go to a system > that they can understand. Linux, MAC, MS etc. Keeping in mind that most > people aren't going to do ftp installs, cvsup a few times a week or even > get a new version on a regular basis. > Unix type systems have branched out to the consumer market in a > way like never before. Linux developers have taken notice of the need for > a "marketable approach" to increasing the user base. I think FreeBSD > should stand up and take notes to this approach. And, make things a bit > more standard in the consumers point of view. 10 million some odd users of > linux and growing more and more daily. There is something to be said for > noticing the needs of more than just the developers, hackers, admins and > guru's of other sorts. Targeting those users is fine, just so long as you > don't care to expand the user base to a large degree beyond that. > Now, I say a second time. This is best left for > -chat -newbies I would think.. > If at any point I sound ticked off, snid, or otherwise rude. It is a wrong > impression on your part. I had no such intentions or thoughts while typing > this. And yes I do understand that this list is NOT about marketing. But > it becomes that when people are having utter confusion with the naming > of the current version they are running, and ask a simple question like > my original post. Sorry so long winded. Crak it up to being a > FreeBSD newbie/lamer. > Good day. > Keith > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jacques Vidrine wrote: > > > This thread was originally about consumers, and I don't wish > > to comment on this market. This posting, however, goes into > > other waters... > > > > On 18 March 1999 at 21:35, chris@tci.com wrote: > > [snip] > > > I have to agree. I've recently been fairly successfully in getting the > > > NT admins where I work to to at least dip their toes in this stuff > > > (Linux/FreeBSD). > > [snip] > > > In the Winders world > > > (and, I would venture to say, in most others) the more recent version > > > of Product X is always preferred over the older alternative. > > > > This last sentence is simply not true in the real world, especially > > with regard to ``.0'' releases. IT professionals know this. > > > > Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 7:43:19 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (set.spradley.tmi.net [207.170.107.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D65155C5 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:43:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Received: from set.spradley.tmi.net (localhost.spradley.tmi.net [127.0.0.1]) by set.spradley.tmi.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA03939; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:42:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net) Message-Id: <199903191542.JAA03939@set.spradley.tmi.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "David C. Jenner" Cc: Keith Woodman , Jacques Vidrine , chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:06:26 PST." <36F267F2.627CC555@halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:42:02 -0600 From: Ted Spradley Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will you people please quit whining about the names and tell us what your real complaints are? What exactly is it about 3.0 release that doesn't work as well as it should? I've used every Walnut Creek FreeBSD CDROM since 2.0 Release, including all the 3.0-current snapshots, and I've used -current sampled at just random times at my convenience. I admit I don't beat it up very hard, but without exception, *every* version of FreeBSD that I have tried has been noticeably better than *any* version of any other brand of any system I've ever tried in over 30 years of computing. So just what is it that doesn't work right for you? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 7:58:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64A31554E for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id JAA12443; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:56:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id JAA12439; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:56:36 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <009501be7221$266568e0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "David C. Jenner" , "Keith Woodman" Cc: "Jacques Vidrine" , , , , , Subject: Re: Confusion Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:56:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG All, I for one, think the current system is fine. UNIX is not for the simple. If you can even use UNIX a little, then you can understand when they say the x.0 release will be developer and early adopter only. After all, how can you install and expect to use the system without reading some documentation? Certainly, before you install you will read README.TXT and INSTALL.TXT. That is what I did. I didn't go to school to learn UNIX or BSD. Yet I managed just fine. I read the two most important files to read and the information was there plain to see. I just don't see how somebody could make a mistake like that unless they are too lazy to read the documentation, which is their own fault. The most important effect would be on production machines, and if I had an employee that installed an operating system without even reading the README.TXT or INSTALL.TXT, I would fire that person on the spot. How could you trust the judgement? Also, the general public only sees RELEASE. STABLE and CURRENT are only something you use after you know what you are doing. You don't buy STABLE and CURRENT CD's (the exception is the developer snapshot CD's, but those are obviously labeled for everyone to see). So, I say, it should be left as it is! Tom Veldhouse veldy@visi.com -----Original Message----- From: David C. Jenner To: Keith Woodman Cc: Jacques Vidrine ; chris@tci.com ; mmercer@ipass.net ; jkh@zippy.cdrom.com ; me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk ; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Confusion >This guy is absolutely correct. The designations RELEASE, STABLE, >and CURRENT, what they mean, and the targeted audience of each are >exceedingly confusing. > >You (FreeBSD experts who intimately know what you are doing) are cooking >your own goose. If it's your goal to have your own, private enclave >of FreeBSD users, you're doing great. If you want to spread the good >word, you're shouting into a paper bag. > >Dave > >Keith Woodman wrote: >> >> Last post from me on the issue. >> I started this thread in this list as a mistake. I followed up with saying >> I was sorry and agreed this should be in -chat. >> I think the fact that this thing is still alive after a couple days >> suggests that maybe the team should consider the fact that with the >> growing influence of Linux and other OS's. Maybe, just maybe a reminder is >> needed to them that in the end, this is a consumer product and the people >> at the head of it should think more in that way instead of thinking of it >> as being a hackers only OS. If the consumers aren't considered in their >> opinions but instead told the age old. "Read the .TXT, RTFM," etc etc. >> The team will in time be developing a OS for themself and nobody else. >> All the potential new comers will have been scared away with >> RTFM, etc. Not to say that is a bad thing. I agree with RTFM. But I think >> maybe some people involved have lost sight of the needs of the average >> consumer of an OS. We're not hackers, admins, or networking gods. We don't >> cvsup a few times a week or track different branches we simply want an >> OS that is not forced upon us such as MS. I would hate to >> think that FreeBSD has taken the 180 on MS and actualy scared folks away >> by simply naming the RELEASE, STABLE, CURRENT, in a manor that is not >> intuitive for most people. Then slaming them when they question the >> reasoning or ask for a clear explaination of why it is like it is. >> "It clearly says in the release notes for 3.0 that it's for developers". >> That's the kind of thing that is obviously misguided, out of touch and >> flat out narrow in focus in regards to marketing a product. I don't want >> to sound like a sniffler but. Anyone off the street that want's to test >> out FreeBSD and see's the name RELEASE on it should be confident that it's >> not "For developers". When finding out differntly. They'll go to a system >> that they can understand. Linux, MAC, MS etc. Keeping in mind that most >> people aren't going to do ftp installs, cvsup a few times a week or even >> get a new version on a regular basis. >> Unix type systems have branched out to the consumer market in a >> way like never before. Linux developers have taken notice of the need for >> a "marketable approach" to increasing the user base. I think FreeBSD >> should stand up and take notes to this approach. And, make things a bit >> more standard in the consumers point of view. 10 million some odd users of >> linux and growing more and more daily. There is something to be said for >> noticing the needs of more than just the developers, hackers, admins and >> guru's of other sorts. Targeting those users is fine, just so long as you >> don't care to expand the user base to a large degree beyond that. >> Now, I say a second time. This is best left for >> -chat -newbies I would think.. >> If at any point I sound ticked off, snid, or otherwise rude. It is a wrong >> impression on your part. I had no such intentions or thoughts while typing >> this. And yes I do understand that this list is NOT about marketing. But >> it becomes that when people are having utter confusion with the naming >> of the current version they are running, and ask a simple question like >> my original post. Sorry so long winded. Crak it up to being a >> FreeBSD newbie/lamer. >> Good day. >> Keith >> >> On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Jacques Vidrine wrote: >> >> > This thread was originally about consumers, and I don't wish >> > to comment on this market. This posting, however, goes into >> > other waters... >> > >> > On 18 March 1999 at 21:35, chris@tci.com wrote: >> > [snip] >> > > I have to agree. I've recently been fairly successfully in getting the >> > > NT admins where I work to to at least dip their toes in this stuff >> > > (Linux/FreeBSD). >> > [snip] >> > > In the Winders world >> > > (and, I would venture to say, in most others) the more recent version >> > > of Product X is always preferred over the older alternative. >> > >> > This last sentence is simply not true in the real world, especially >> > with regard to ``.0'' releases. IT professionals know this. >> > >> > Jacques Vidrine / n@nectar.com / nectar@FreeBSD.org >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >> > >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 8: 5: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9AA155D9 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA17394; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:06:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:05:57 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: Ted Spradley Cc: "David C. Jenner" , Jacques Vidrine , chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903191542.JAA03939@set.spradley.tmi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Ted Spradley wrote: > Will you people please quit whining about the names and tell us what your > real complaints are? What exactly is it about 3.0 release that doesn't > work as well as it should? It was never mater of somthing not working. It was a question as to the stability of something called RELEASE, and if it could be trusted on a critical system. People when asked in other groups had simply said to upgrade to 3.1 asap. And to stear clear of 3.0. I brought the question to this list to get a straight answer on it. Seems this list takes a completely different slant on it. I must say, Yes, .0 on just about anything is not all that trustable. BUT, even my grandmother would understand something that was called BETA to be just that. Or ALPHA to be just that. Come to find out RELEASE is NOT just that.. And that is where the confusion and in some peoples eyes, the deception is. Now, can this move silently to the proper list so as not to agrivate the readers of this list with things not related to it. > > I've used every Walnut Creek FreeBSD CDROM since 2.0 Release, including > all the 3.0-current snapshots, and I've used -current sampled at just > random times at my convenience. I admit I don't beat it up very hard, > but without exception, *every* version of FreeBSD that I have tried has > been noticeably better than *any* version of any other brand of any > system I've ever tried in over 30 years of computing. > > So just what is it that doesn't work right for you? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 8:13:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from symbion.srrc.usda.gov (symbion.srrc.usda.gov [199.133.86.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE4B1583D for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:13:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glenn@nola.srrc.usda.gov) Received: from symbion.srrc.usda.gov (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by symbion.srrc.usda.gov (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA74391 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:13:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from glenn@symbion.srrc.usda.gov) Message-Id: <199903191613.KAA74391@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Glenn Johnson Subject: Out of file descriptors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:13:15 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just cvsupped the stable source yesterday, 3-18-1999 at about 4:00 p.m. CST. After building the world and a kernel I get the following upon reboot (I am copying this from the screen of the machine that won't boot): ...snip some boot info... Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! changing root device to da0s1a da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 Device da0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MKz, offset 15). Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4110MB (8418816 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 524C) .: Out of file descriptors I then get put into single user mode. What can I do? Thanks in advance. -- Glenn Johnson Technician USDA, ARS, SRRC New Orleans, LA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 8:15:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rapidsite.net (mail.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCCA6154AA for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gryphon@intech.net) Received: from gw1.hway.net (207.158.192.37) by mail.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.2) with SMTP id 6989; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:14:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36F278E2.89DB816C@intech.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:18:42 -0500 From: Coranth Gryphon Reply-To: gryphon@hway.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Subject: Re: Confusion References: <20406.921831634@zippy.cdrom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > asked. Even if you didn't buy the CD from Walnut Creek CDROM, they'll > happily ship you a 2.2.8 or 3.1 CD if you feel your 3.0 CD was If there was any doubt as to which track the 3.0 CD was on, note the fact that Walnut Creek did not ship it by default to the Release Subscribers -- specifically because it was aimed at developers and not at general consumers. Aside from sticking a label on the box saying "Danger: Software Inside", both WC and the FreeBSD team have done everything they could to make it clear just what the expectations are for each release. -coranth ---------------------------------------+---------------------------- Coranth Gryphon | Work Phone: 561-912-2497 Chief Architect, Hiway Technologies | #include ---------------------------------------+---------------------------- When all else fails, do the impossible. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 8:17:41 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748EE1587B for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.74.10]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13543; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (housley@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA06233; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:17:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from housley@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-ID: <36F27888.AC7573E2@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:17:12 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn Johnson Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Out of file descriptors References: <199903191613.KAA74391@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Glenn Johnson wrote: > > I just cvsupped the stable source yesterday, 3-18-1999 at about 4:00 p.m. > CST. After building the world and a kernel I get the following upon reboot > (I am copying this from the screen of the machine that won't boot): > > ...snip some boot info... > > Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle I maybe all wet, but 2 seconds may be a little short. Have you tried a longer value 10 to 20 seconds? for SCSI_DELAY? -- James E. Housley PGP: 1024/03983B4D System Supply, Inc. 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 Pager: pagejim@notepage.com 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 8:41:52 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AA4154D9; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:40:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA02026; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:39:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:39:53 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: Munehiro Matsuda Cc: kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990319171536Q.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok. Done. This is a mess... There's a *lot* of output... Anyways. I'll try to figure out what to send out here... I hope that this won't enrage other people on the lists... In the booting process: ch_bits dev 0 ch 0 val 90 old 0xc0 r 48 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 0 ch 1 val 90 old 0xc0 r 49 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 1 ch 0 val 75 old 0x80 r 70 p 0 bit 4 off 4 ch_bits dev 1 ch 1 val 75 old 0x80 r 71 p 0 bit 4 off 4 ch_bits dev 2 ch 0 val 75 old 0x80 r 68 p 0 bit 4 off 4 ch_bits dev 2 ch 1 val 75 old 0x80 r 69 p 0 bit 4 off 4 ch_bits dev 3 ch 0 val 75 old 0xc0 r 52 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 3 ch 1 val 75 old 0xc0 r 53 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 4 ch 0 val 75 old 0xc0 r 50 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 4 ch 1 val 75 old 0xc0 r 51 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 5 ch 0 val 75 old 0xa0 r 59 p 0 bit 2 off 6 ch_bits dev 6 ch 0 val 75 old 0x00 r 56 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 6 ch 1 val 75 old 0x00 r 57 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 7 ch 0 val 16 old 0x00 r 58 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 8 ch 0 val 75 old 0x00 r 54 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 8 ch 1 val 75 old 0x00 r 55 p 0 bit 5 off 3 ch_bits dev 12 ch 0 val 75 old 0x00 r 63 p 0 bit 2 off 6 ch_bits dev 12 ch 1 val 75 old 0x00 r 64 p 0 bit 2 off 6 ch_bits dev 13 ch 0 val 75 old 0x00 r 65 p 0 bit 2 off 6 ch_bits dev 13 ch 1 val 75 old 0x00 r 66 p 0 bit 2 off 6 pcm1 (SB16pnp sn 0xffffffff) at 0x220-0x22f irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x10 on isa I guess that pcm is guessing which sound card it is there... Next, I try cp *.au /dev/audio : open snd1 subdev 4 flags 0x00000402 mode 0x00002000 1 : open sb16: play_fmt 1, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 1 write snd1 subdev 4 flag 0x00000001 dsp_write_body: prepare 65280 bytes out of 247879 wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 2000, rp 0 rl 65280 wrintr: dl 0 -> 2000 dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 182599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 4000 bytes out of 182599 dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping SND_CB_XXX: reason 0x204 dsp_wrabort: stopped, 65276 bytes left reset dbuf for chan 1 close snd1 subdev 4 snd_flush d->flags 0x00000441 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 1 It plays the few first seconds (about 1 or 2 s), and then it just sends: dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping then I interrupt it: SND_CB_XXX: reason 0x204 And it closes: dsp_wrabort: stopped, 65276 bytes left reset dbuf for chan 1 close snd1 subdev 4 snd_flush d->flags 0x00000441 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 1 This is nice :) It's seems that the message: write snd1 subdev 4 flag 0x00000001 dsp_write_body: prepare 65280 bytes out of 247879 wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 2000, rp 0 rl 65280 wrintr: dl 0 -> 2000 dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 182599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 4000 bytes out of 182599 dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 178599 dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping is verbose enough. I see that it tries to send 65280 bytes out of 247879. The file is indeed 247879 bytes. -rw-r--r-- 1 spidey wheel 247879 Oct 17 07:28 crus228m.au But why is it only sending 65280 bytes, and then 0 bytes out of 182599??? This is a nonsense!!! And what is 'l=0, (fl 0) sleeping'? Anyways.. I'll try now a mp3. Ouah... Now there's even more output... Ok. $ mpg123 sureshot.mp3 dmesg can't even hold enough of it!!! Anyways, from syslogd: (some messages are repeated 2 or 3 times, so I cut some of it...) Mar 19 11:14:42 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 (now the program, mpg123, tells me the standard: "Playing MPEG stream from sureshot.mp3 ...") reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 1 (MPEG 1.0 layer III, 128 kbit/s, 44100 Hz joint-stereo) reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 1 for chan 1 for chan 1 for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 sb16: play_fmt 128, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 128, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 128, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 [...] sb16: play_fmt 2, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 2, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 2, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 1 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 reset dbuf for chan 0 [...] Now these messages repeat *a lot* of times after. With the number '2' changing like this: sb16: play_fmt 2, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 1, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 16, rec_fmt 0, swap 1 sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 sb16: play_fmt 64, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Now these are splattering all my Xterms since I'm root... so I interrupt it. But it keeps going on!!! About the same messages for a long time! say, a few seconds, but they show up real fast. About 4-5 'cycles' per second, a cycle being: Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 128, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 128, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 128, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:50 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 And somehow, somewhere, my interrupt request is heard, and then: Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 Mar 19 11:14:58 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: dsp reset Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: dsp reset Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: dsp reset There, I don't understand, there messages were like the ones when I played the music... but it's supposed to be closing.. anyways. Keeps going on like this for a while: Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 16, rec_fmt 0, swap 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 16, rec_fmt 0, swap 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 16, rec_fmt 0, swap 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:14:59 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 re-opening and closing itself: Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: open snd1 subdev 3 flags 0x00000002 mode 0x00002000 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: SoundBlaster 16 4.13>1 : open Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 Mar 19 11:15:00 freed /kernel: sb16: play_fmt 8, rec_fmt 0, swap 0 here, something interesting. It's seems it's trying to play something after all... Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 16384 bytes out of 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 16384 bytes out of 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 16384 bytes out of 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 16320, rp 0 rl 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 16320, rp 0 rl 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 16320, rp 0 rl 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: wrintr: dl 0 - Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: wrintr: dl 0 - Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: wrintr: dl 0 -Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: > 16320 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: > 16320 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 256 bytes out of 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 256 bytes out of 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 256 bytes out of 16384 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 512 bytes out of 16128 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 512 bytes out of 16128 Mar 19 11:15:01 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 512 bytes out of 16128 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 1024 bytes out of 15616 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 1024 bytes out of 15616 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 1024 bytes out of 15616 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 2048 bytes out of 14592 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 2048 bytes out of 14592 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 2048 bytes out of 14592 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 4096 bytes out of 12544 Mar 19 11:15:02 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 4096 bytes out of 12544 I get some messages that look a little like the ones when I tried to play audio: Mar 19 11:15:04 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 384 Mar 19 11:15:04 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 384 Mar 19 11:15:04 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 0 bytes out of 384 Mar 19 11:15:04 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping Mar 19 11:15:04 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping Mar 19 11:15:04 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: l=0, (fl 0) sleeping [...] Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: SND_CB_XXX: reason 0x204 Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: SND_CB_XXX: reason 0x204 Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: SND_CB_XXX: reason 0x204 Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: dsp_wrabort: stopped, 65268 bytes left [the last lines are worth it:] Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: dsp_wrabort: stopped, 65268 bytes left Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: dsp_wrabort: stopped, 65268 bytes left Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:15:05 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 1 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: write snd1 subdev 3 flag 0x00000001 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 3072 bytes out of 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 3072 bytes out of 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: dsp_write_body: prepare 3072 bytes out of 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 3072, rp 0 rl 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 3072, rp 0 rl 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: wrintr: bsz change from 0 to 3072, rp 0 rl 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: wrintr: dl 0 -> 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: wrintr: dl 0 -> 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: wrintr: dl 0 -> 3072 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: close snd1 subdev 3 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_flush d->flags 0x00000141 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: reset dbuf for chan 0 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_sync: now rl : fl 0 : 65280 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_sync: now rl : fl 0 : 65280 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_sync: now rl : fl 0 : 65280 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_sync: now rl : fl 0 : 65280 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: tsleep returns 4 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_sync: now rl : fl 0 : 65280 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: tsleep returns 4 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: snd_sync: now rl : fl 0 : 65280 Mar 19 11:15:06 freed /kernel: tsleep returns 4 The tsleep returns 4 normally appear *without* the debug enabled.. Anyways. I just can't figure out what's going on. Maybe it's the card that is scrapped. But then how could the horrible windows startup sound play when I boot on my other partition?? This is really weird. This is not a consequence of me misconfiguring, no? Some other guy told me that irq 10 for the SB16 is very unsual, however my modem (PnP too) is on irq 5, and I don't know if I'd like to play with this... Anyways, I always used irq 10 for SB in FreeBSD, and never had such problems. May I recall that all this started when I moved to -stable from 3.0R, so this is either that: 1- the source code changed 2- my configuration changed (this is obvious that my config changed because some drivers were removed and added, but it seems to me that for the pnp/pcm part, *nothing* changed! 3- my hardware changed, which is unprobable since it is working in windoze. I cutted the rest of your mail... 'hope you don't mind. (anyways, this is long enough this way!!!) Thanks for everything When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 8:46: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix1.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (unix1.it-datacntr.louisville.edu [136.165.4.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA97155CF for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:45:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from k.stevenson@louisville.edu) Received: from homer.louisville.edu (ktstev01@homer.louisville.edu [136.165.1.20]) by unix1.it-datacntr.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA46438; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:45:33 -0500 Received: (from ktstev01@localhost) by homer.louisville.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01547; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:45:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19990319114532.A29975@homer.louisville.edu> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:45:32 -0500 From: Keith Stevenson To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: gjohnson@nola.srrc.usda.gov Subject: Re: Out of file descriptors References: <199903191613.KAA74391@symbion.srrc.usda.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <199903191613.KAA74391@symbion.srrc.usda.gov>; from Glenn Johnson on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 10:13:15AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 10:13:15AM -0600, Glenn Johnson wrote: > I just cvsupped the stable source yesterday, 3-18-1999 at about 4:00 p.m. > CST. After building the world and a kernel I get the following upon reboot > (I am copying this from the screen of the machine that won't boot): > > ...snip some boot info... > > Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > changing root device to da0s1a > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 Device > da0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MKz, offset 15). Tagged Queueing Enabled > da0: 4110MB (8418816 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 524C) > .: Out of file descriptors > > I then get put into single user mode. You need to sync up the system configuration files in /etc. Specifically, /etc/rc.conf has changed a LOT since 2.2.X. In 3.1, /etc/defaults/rc.conf is the master copy of the rc.conf file. /etc/rc.conf only contains your machine specific overrides from the defaults. Having a complete rc.conf file in /etc kills the boot. I have to agree with Jordan that a source upgrade from 2.2.X to 3.1, while possible, is not desirable. I dragged out a test machine, installed 2.2.8 on it, CVS's the 3.1 source, and ran the make upgrade. I was then promptly bitten by several problems including the "out of file descriptors" issue. My advice is to use the release CDs to do the upgrades. Just make sure that you have a known good backup of your system first. (Of course the best way to move to 3.1 on a "critical" system is to install it on a new box and migrate that box into production after a generous testing period. That's how I'm doing it, but not everyone has that luxury.) Regards, --Keith Stevenson-- -- Keith Stevenson System Programmer - Data Center Services - University of Louisville k.stevenson@louisville.edu PGP key fingerprint = 4B 29 A8 95 A8 82 EA A2 29 CE 68 DE FC EE B6 A0 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 9:12: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mortar.carlson.com (mortar.carlson.com [208.240.12.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345A814FD8 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:12:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from veldy@visi.com) Received: from mortar.carlson.com (root@localhost) by mortar.carlson.com with ESMTP id LAA12847; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:11:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from w142844 ([172.25.99.35]) by mortar.carlson.com with SMTP id LAA12843; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:11:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00ec01be722b$931f1300$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Keith Stevenson" , Cc: Subject: Re: Out of file descriptors Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:11:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stevenson To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: gjohnson@nola.srrc.usda.gov Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Out of file descriptors >On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 10:13:15AM -0600, Glenn Johnson wrote: >You need to sync up the system configuration files in /etc. Specifically, >/etc/rc.conf has changed a LOT since 2.2.X. In 3.1, /etc/defaults/rc.conf is >the master copy of the rc.conf file. /etc/rc.conf only contains your machine >specific overrides from the defaults. Having a complete rc.conf file in /etc >kills the boot. It won't kill the boot if you remove the circular reference to itself at the top of the file. It will work just fine then. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 9:14:34 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from extra.gc.lviv.ua (gc.cscd.lviv.ua [195.5.17.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A5D14F03 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:14:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vadim@gc.lviv.ua) Received: from gate.gc.lviv.ua (gate.gc.lviv.ua [192.168.168.18]) by extra.gc.lviv.ua (8.9.2/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA01189 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:14:06 +0200 (EET) Received: from gc.lviv.ua (intra.gc.lviv.ua [192.168.1.93]) by gate.gc.lviv.ua (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA82092 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:14:06 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <36F2857D.5EC5F0BA@gc.lviv.ua> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:12:29 +0200 From: Vadim Chekan Organization: Galitsky Kontrakty X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: uk,ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "stable@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: FreeBSD reboots Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello everybody! I recently wrote about problems with "No buffer space available" I'm sure it's software problem. My FreeBSD-3.1-stable has 2 interfaces 3COM 3C900 and 3C905 (xl driver) One to corporate network, second into Internet. Before I'd got 2.2.5 and hadn't any problems. But after update to 3.1 network sometimes drop down. I'm trying to ping hosts which are connected via LAN with my xl1 card and get "No buffer space available" error. After reboot all works fine. But yesterday I found combination which reboots FreeBSD. When appear messages "No buffer space available" I do ifconfig xl1 down ifconfig xl1 up Here it reboots without any messages on console. When it boots, any messages in logs about reboot reasones Today I repeat this situation second time. I looked throught this maillist and found many messages with "No buffer space available" troubles. It's seems to real problem in FreeBSD. --------------------------- Vadim Chekan. SysAdm "Galician Contracts" http://www.gc.lviv.ua To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 9:45:13 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 886551509B for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA01860 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:09 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA11519; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:07 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:44:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199903191744.AA11519@waltz.rahul.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ted Spradley writes: >Will you people please quit whining about the names and tell us what your >real complaints are? What exactly is it about 3.0 release that doesn't >work as well as it should? Have you checked the open PRs? I filed two: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=10397 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=10542 -- Rahul Dhesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 9:47:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81143152E4 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id JAA75437; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:46:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:46:51 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "David C. Jenner" Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion Message-ID: <19990319094651.A75415@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <36F267F2.627CC555@halcyon.com> <19990319094615.A75103@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990319094615.A75103@relay.nuxi.com>; from David O'Brien on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 09:46:15AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This guy is absolutely correct. The designations RELEASE, STABLE, > and CURRENT, what they mean, and the targeted audience of each are > exceedingly confusing. > > You (FreeBSD experts who intimately know what you are doing) are cooking > your own goose. The only way I see to "fix" this is to totally close off access to the source code. People will see only RELEASE's and that is all they will know about.. so ignorance *is* blitz. So who is up for turning off the CVSup servers? Face it people -- if the source to any project is completely open, you have to understand how it is treated (ie, terms etc..) internally. It was no different when I worked at HP. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 9:47:39 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E66315498 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:47:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21204; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: Ted Spradley Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903191709.LAA04093@set.spradley.tmi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you much for this mail. This mail makes perfect sense. And is the way people should have responded to my original posting. I have had no problem with 3.0 as of yet. I was mearly fearful of it's ability to withstand time on it's own for a while. My concern came from all the rush of people clammering about to get 3.2 out to fix all the 3.1 problems. Which prompted me to question. "Um, geesh, if 3.1 is so broken to the point of people rushing towards 3.2. How bad off am I sitting here with 3.0". That in turn lead me to question the name scheme of the OS. As of now due to the clammering to bash me by a lot of people sending personal mail to me and not posting to the list. I still have no clear understanding as to where 3.0 stands. Not every person that installs an OS has the choice in the OS that is being installed. The person who suggested someone be fired on the spot for not reading the .txt is being a bit harsh I think, even though for the most part, I agree with the coment. Telling your boss that it would be best not to install the first version of a SMP kernel, after he just spent 10k on a dual proc system is what get's you fired. When it comes down to it. His title out ranks my lowly title. Regardless of what I have read or have to say about it. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Woodman Technical Coordinator Keith@lightningweb.com Lightningweb LLC pid 7962 (sniffit), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Ted Spradley wrote: > > > It was never mater of somthing not working. It was a question as to the > > stability of something called RELEASE, and if it could be trusted on a > > critical system. > > Well, what does "stability" mean? Do you mean "unlikely to fall" or "likely to endure"? "Likely to fall" implies that it doesn't work right. No FreeBSD version is likely to endure long without being replaced, but 2.0.5 is still as durable now as it was in June 1995, and isn't going to change by itself. If you had started testing it then maybe by now you could trust it "on a critical system". If you want the benefit of other users' experience and testing, ask about 2.1.7 and 2.2.2. > > How "critical" is this system if you choose what software to use based on the name somebody else gives to it? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 10:14:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (207-44-235-154.CodeGen.COM [207.44.235.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0F214CAB for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) Received: from pinhead.parag.codegen.com (localhost.parag.codegen.com [127.0.0.1]) by pinhead.parag.codegen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25786; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from parag@pinhead.parag.codegen.com) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" Cc: "David C. Jenner" , "Keith Woodman" , "Jacques Vidrine" , chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, jkh@zippy.cdrom.com, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: Message from "Thomas T. Veldhouse" of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:56:56 CST." <009501be7221$266568e0$236319ac@w142844.carlson.com> X-Face: =O'Kj74icvU|oS*<7gS/8'\Pbpm}okVj*@UC!IgkmZQAO!W[|iBiMs*|)n*`X ]pW%m>Oz_mK^Gdazsr.Z0/JsFS1uF8gBVIoChGwOy{EK=<6g?aHE`[\S]C]T0Wm X-URL: http://www.codegen.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:12:38 -0800 Message-ID: <25782.921867158@pinhead.parag.codegen.com> From: Parag Patel Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think the root of the problem is confusion about who the customer is. Agree on that and the details should fall into place. In my opinion, the customer appears to primarily be ISPs and other knowledgable folks running servers. I happen to use FBSD for my day-to-day desktop duties as well as software development, but I run 4.0-CURRENT and update it regularly - which doesn't seem typical. But I'd much rather see some numbers instead of opinions (even mine :-). -- Parag Patel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 10:18:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from minubian.houabg.com (minubian.houabg.com [206.109.247.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92489152B2 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:18:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from houcbs2.houabg.com (HOUABG.COM [206.109.247.20]) by minubian.houabg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19191 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:30:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from sdn-ar-002txhousP035.dialsprint.net by houcbs2.houabg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id GWAQK282; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:27:15 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01be7235$3a7f3180$0300a8c0@dwcjr.houabg.com> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Subject: Re: Confusion Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:20:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When windows 98 came out they didn't say this version is less stable than the previous, or that the networking still has a way to go. You even have to dig very hard and know some people to find out that their excuse for a crappy networking structure is that it was designed for windows 2000. If using a release cost you your job due to some problems, then you deserve that fait. Even with any other operating system you don't use the .0 version, you wait for some updates or the next version with bug fixes. I don't think FreeBSD should lower its standards so that any 14 year old can get into a system and do some damage. RTFM before you start putting your job on the line. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 10:22:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grizzly.fas.com (cc69528-a.mtpls1.sc.home.com [24.6.61.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4896A14CAB for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) Received: by grizzly.fas.com ($Revision: 1.37.109.23 $/16.2) id AA010547730; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:22:10 -0500 Subject: Risk of 3.0 -> 3.1 on Multi-Boot machin? To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Stable Mailing List) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:22:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Stan Brown" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1385 Message-Id: <19990319182232.4896A14CAB@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a laptop, that Iuse every day at work. It has 3.o (from the CD) on it, and Win95, WinNT using Booteasy, which then calls the NT boot manager. I also have another laptop runing 3.1 (from the CD). Based upon all the discussion in this list, I feel that I need to upgrade the 3.0 machine to 3.1, Howver, I am _very_ concerned about various (little understtood by me) boot issues, that have been discused here. What should I do to upgrade this amchine, with minimal risk of it not working? I will be happy to provide more details of the machines configuration, but I have doen so twice before in this list, and have recieved only 1 reply. That person sugested making ceratin I had a bootable disk!. Doesn't sound very encouragin. Is Booteasy depricated? Did this ocure between 3.0 and 3.1? Whats the deal with the new boot blocks, and when did the change come about. Thansk for your time on this. -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 843-745-3154 Westvaco Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 1999 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 10:24:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [209.157.82.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F354E1518B for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 9380 invoked by uid 100); 19 Mar 1999 18:23:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Mar 1999 18:23:41 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Meyer To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <19990319094651.A75415@relay.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I've watched this for a while. I've got to say something. From: David O'Brien > This guy is absolutely correct. The designations RELEASE, STABLE, > and CURRENT, what they mean, and the targeted audience of each are > exceedingly confusing. STABLE is the only one that is. CURRENT isn't - it's the current build, possibly working, possibly not. That STABLE applies to the source tree, not the resulting product, is confusing. RELEASE is just that - a released product. From what I can tell, the complaint about 3.0 was that it was labelled as release when it wasn't as stable as the existing (2.2.x) product. However, the *only* way to get it to that level of stability was to get people using it on a much more widespread basis than it was being used as -CURRENT. That's true for *any* product that includes lots of new technology. That's why .0 releases are generally so buggy/slow/etc - they haven't been debugged in nearly as broad a range of environments as the .1, .2, etc. releases. I'm relatively new to FreeBSD - this was my first .0 release with it, and it appeared to be pretty bad. I was lucky in that my system was built for 3.0, and my second system I could delay until 3.1. On the other hand, I've been working with Unix for > 20 years now, and I've seen worse .0 releases from commercial vendors, and seldom seen better ones from non-commercial projects. If you want to fault the FreeBSD team for debugging on their customers platforms - then you've got to fault the entire industry. Everyone does it - because there isn't any way you can replicate *every* system that users are going to try and run your product on. Wise users have been avoiding .0 releases for production systems since - well, longer than I've been in the game. It's part of life in the software world, at least until that world undergoes some *radical* changes. In short, you're faulting the FreeBSD team for doing what everyone does. The difference is they were honest about it, and got out a .1 release in quick-time to get the bug fixes in place. ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:31:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doka@kiev.sovam.com) Received: from doka (helo=localhost) by kiev.sovam.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10O42c-0001Bh-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:30:42 +0200 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:30:42 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Litovka Reply-To: doka@triton.kiev.sovam.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make -DDESTDIR=/mnt installworld Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! Can I install FreeBSD under specified directory? As following: make -DDESTDIR=/mnt installworld Thank you :) -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Litovka, hostmaster of Sovam Teleport Kiev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 10:38: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freed.libdns.qc.ca (derby.JSP.UMontreal.CA [132.204.45.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE2BD15018 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:37:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) Received: from localhost (spidey@localhost) by freed.libdns.qc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA08356; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from spidey@libdns.qc.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: freed.libdns.qc.ca: spidey owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:37:34 -0500 (EST) From: Spidey Reply-To: Spidey To: Vladimir Litovka Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make -DDESTDIR=/mnt installworld In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG For a discussion about make world... http://www.nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk/FreeBSD/make-world/make-world.html There is stuff about nfs there. I think it looks like what you're trying to do. On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Vladimir Litovka wrote: > Hello! > > Can I install FreeBSD under specified directory? As following: > > make -DDESTDIR=/mnt installworld > > Thank you :) > > -- > Yours sincerely, > Vladimir Litovka, hostmaster of Sovam Teleport Kiev > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives All this I can witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 10:55: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DF814C0E for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:55:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23701; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:56:56 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <001e01be7235$3a7f3180$0300a8c0@dwcjr.houabg.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Who said my job was on the line? Who ever asked that standards be lowered? It's bad enough that this thread has stayed alive in the wrong list. To go this far off of a topic that was not on topic in the first place is serving no purpose at all. I've suggested this thread die and I said I was sorry for posting to the wrong list with this. Is there a method of killing this. I am sure others are as fed up with their mail being stuffed with this as I am. Or at least move off to -chat or something. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Woodman Technical Coordinator Keith@lightningweb.com Lightningweb LLC pid 7962 (sniffit), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > When windows 98 came out they didn't say this version is less stable than > the previous, or that the networking still has a way to go. You even have > to dig very hard and know some people to find out that their excuse for a > crappy networking structure is that it was designed for windows 2000. If > using a release cost you your job due to some problems, then you deserve > that fait. Even with any other operating system you don't use the .0 > version, you wait for some updates or the next version with bug fixes. I > don't think FreeBSD should lower its standards so that any 14 year old can > get into a system and do some damage. RTFM before you start putting your > job on the line. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 11: 7:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tsolab.org (dnn.rockefeller.edu [129.85.17.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB0815186 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:07:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@tsolab.org) Received: (from dan@localhost) by tsolab.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA03449; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:07:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dan) From: "Dan Ts'o" Message-Id: <199903191907.OAA03449@tsolab.org> Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: from Keith Woodman at "Mar 19, 99 09:49:37 am" To: keith@lightningweb.com (Keith Woodman) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:07:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL32 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Not every person that installs an OS > has the choice in the OS that is being installed. The person who suggested > someone be fired on the spot for not reading the .txt is being a bit harsh > I think, even though for the most part, I agree with the coment. Telling > your boss that it would be best not to install the first > version of a SMP kernel, after he just spent 10k on a dual proc system is what > get's you fired. If you tell you boss "Since SMP adds further complexity and FreeBSD is already going to be new to us, I recommend starting off with the non-SMP version first and then migrating to the SMP version once we have a little more experience.", I don't know any reasonable manager that wouldn't consider this advice -- certainly not fired you instead. There *are* other choices of SMP Unix, not to dissuade from FreeBSD, some them were perhaps a little more shaken down at the time of the release of 3.0. All it takes is a little investigation as to the best choice at any particular time. The point is, that there *are* choices, contrary to what you say. If you boss was insisting not only on the specific OS, but the specific release, contrary to any advice you might give, or what research and user feedback might indicate, then frankly he deserves what he gets. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 11:37: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nefertiti.lightningweb.com (nefertiti.lightningweb.com [198.68.191.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD5514CB0 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:37:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keith@lightningweb.com) Received: from localhost (keith@localhost) by nefertiti.lightningweb.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25590; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:38:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: Keith Woodman To: "Dan Ts'o" Cc: tsprad@set.spradley.tmi.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903191907.OAA03449@tsolab.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At this point, it is painfuly obvious that having a system of importance operate on a .0 version is bad idea, regardless if it says RELEASE on the thing. So, I ask any and all for a good URL on doing the upgrade to a -stable version. I assume there will be some complications due to the ELF/aout issue. If there is a URL regarding this,I would like pointers to that as well. I have some URL's at the moment but the dates on the documentaion are not very current and I'm not sure if they apply. This probably does not belong here but I'd like to know if a new version of "The Complete FreeBSD" will be issued to reflect the changes. My current edition seems to apply less and less as things move along. It was purchased along with FreeBSD 2.2.5 some time ago. Keith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Keith Woodman Technical Coordinator Keith@lightningweb.com Lightningweb LLC pid 7962 (sniffit), uid 0: exited on signal 10 (core dumped) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 12:54: 6 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E72214C94 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 12:54:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05849 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:53:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:53:26 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: problems after upgrade/re-install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I attempted to upgrade from 2.2.8 to 3.1-STABLE yesterday. The make upgrade appeared to work, it made a new kernel and everything and then attempted to reboot. Upon attempting to login I got "using older version of libc.... using anyway" - but it wouldn't let me in. I rebooted using my old 2.2.8 kernel, but I could NOT mount anything other than /. At this point, because I'd backed up beforehand I just decided to do a fresh install. That worked great. I reinstalled, booted up and moved the backups over. I unpacked the backup of /home, unpacked the backup of /etc in /usr/tmp and moved master.passwd, group, and passwd over to the new /etc. I then did a pwd_mkdb on master.passwd and people could then login. However I noticed that talk doesn't work - it says users don't exist even though they're logged in: Mar 19 13:37:14 fermi inetd[11279]: ntalk/udp: tty: No such user Mar 19 13:37:14 fermi inetd[136]: /usr/libexec/ntalkd[11279]: exit status 0x4300 (this was trying a talk to myself while logged in on fermi) I was before, and still am using MD5 (that _is_ the password format that starts w/ $ right?) so nothing's changed there. I clearly munged something by just moving the passwd and group files over from their backups. How can I fix this so things like talk work again? Thanks in advance! Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13: 3:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013CA14C0F for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:03:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA52285; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:02:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Keith Woodman Cc: Ted Spradley , "David C. Jenner" , Jacques Vidrine , chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:05:57 PST." Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:02:07 -0800 Message-ID: <52283.921877327@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It was never mater of somthing not working. It was a question as to the > stability of something called RELEASE, and if it could be trusted on a I think his point was simply that if you have a specific complaint, let's hear it. As I see this discussion now, it's a bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon if for no other reason that it happens to be driving through town and making a lot of noise, not that they personally had some burning problem with 3.0-RELEASE. In any case, I don't see that the discussion is productive in any way at this point and would very much appreciate it if we could just go on to something else. If people feel we're cooking our own goose then that's their perogative and they're always free to pursue another solution if they don't find this one to be "run" to their satisfaction. Utter perfection seems to be alluding everyone's grasp in the open source (and commercial) OS community, however, and I don't think that Mr. Jenner and his ilk will necessarily find that Debian or RedHat Linux (or even Solaris) are bug-free and 100% stable in every release. Expecting us to walk on water where everyone else usually sinks below the waves is just not realistic. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13: 5:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2632714E51 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:04:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA52296; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:03:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Keith Woodman Cc: Ted Spradley , "David C. Jenner" , Jacques Vidrine , chris@tci.com, mmercer@ipass.net, me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:05:57 PST." Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:03:12 -0800 Message-ID: <52294.921877392@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > It was never mater of somthing not working. It was a question as to the > stability of something called RELEASE, and if it could be trusted on a If it all worked, then it sounds like stability was indeed there. What's your complaint? User see bandwagon! User jump on bandwagon! User take nice ride! User forget why jump on bandwagon in first place! :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:10:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ceia.nordier.com (m1-3-dbn.dial-up.net [196.34.155.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCEA15191 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:10:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rnordier@nordier.com) Received: (from rnordier@localhost) by ceia.nordier.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id XAA17949; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:07:09 +0200 (SAT) From: Robert Nordier Message-Id: <199903192107.XAA17949@ceia.nordier.com> Subject: Re: Risk of 3.0 -> 3.1 on Multi-Boot machin? In-Reply-To: <19990319182232.4896A14CAB@hub.freebsd.org> from Stan Brown at "Mar 19, 99 01:22:09 pm" To: stanb@awod.com (Stan Brown) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 23:07:07 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL31 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I have a laptop, that Iuse every day at work. It has 3.o (from the CD) > on it, and Win95, WinNT using Booteasy, which then calls the NT boot > manager. > > I also have another laptop runing 3.1 (from the CD). Based upon all the > discussion in this list, I feel that I need to upgrade the 3.0 machine > to 3.1, Howver, I am _very_ concerned about various (little understtood > by me) boot issues, that have been discused here. > > What should I do to upgrade this amchine, with minimal risk of it not > working? > > I will be happy to provide more details of the machines configuration, > but I have doen so twice before in this list, and have recieved only 1 > reply. The question is just too general. Things are not *supposed* to go wrong, and where stuff has been foreseen, it is explicitly mentioned in the documentation. See all those *.TXT files in src/release/texts that are included with each release. > That person sugested making ceratin I had a bootable disk!. > Doesn't sound very encouragin. It's good advice. > Is Booteasy depricated? Did this ocure between 3.0 and 3.1? Whats the > deal with the new boot blocks, and when did the change come about. BootEasy is not deprecated; we're just distributing a workalike that can be built using the FreeBSD toolchain. The deal with the new boot blocks is "use them". They know ELF and (since sometime between 3.0 and 3.1) the kernel is ELF. -- Robert Nordier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:11: 3 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B3C15585 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:11:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA52316; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:10:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Mike Meyer Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:23:41 PST." Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:10:37 -0800 Message-ID: <52314.921877837@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If you want to fault the FreeBSD team for debugging on their customers > platforms - then you've got to fault the entire industry. Everyone > does it - because there isn't any way you can replicate *every* system > that users are going to try and run your product on. Wise users have > been avoiding .0 releases for production systems since - well, longer > than I've been in the game. It's part of life in the software world, > at least until that world undergoes some *radical* changes. Thank you, that's essentially what I've been trying to say in a far less succinct fashion for the last 2 or 3 rounds. I also appreciate that it was pointed out that Windows 98 was hardly any less buggy in its own way (or, for that matter, Win95) when first released, the difference being that Microsoft was by no means as honest about the bleeding-edge nature of these releases as we are. They just hyped it to the skies and sold it like the shameless bunch of jackals that they are. :-) I, on the other hand, warned people away from 3.0-RELEASE in multiple emails, in the README, on the WEB site (www.cdrom.com was very clear about 3.0-RELEASE's status in its mailed handouts and all promo materials) and all I seem to have gotten for this degree of "honesty" is a kick in the crotch and claims that users weren't adequately warned. It's enough to make one wish for a nuclear war so that we might perhaps redirect evolution to some more promising candidate. ;) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:11:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 21.zoomsystems.com (hil-qbu-ppy-vty42.as.wcom.net [209.154.59.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F4E15591 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:11:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jeff@Wagsky.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by 21.zoomsystems.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA18519; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:10:12 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Jeff@Wagsky.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:10:11 +1100 (EST) From: Jeff Kletsky X-Sender: root@21.zoomsystems.com To: Stan Brown Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: Risk of 3.0 -> 3.1 on Multi-Boot machin? In-Reply-To: <19990319182232.4896A14CAB@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Stan Brown wrote: > I have a laptop, that Iuse every day at work. It has 3.o (from the CD) > on it, and Win95, WinNT using Booteasy, which then calls the NT boot > manager. > > I also have another laptop runing 3.1 (from the CD). Based upon all the > discussion in this list, I feel that I need to upgrade the 3.0 machine > to 3.1, Howver, I am _very_ concerned about various (little understtood > by me) boot issues, that have been discused here. > > What should I do to upgrade this amchine, with minimal risk of it not > working? While it is not significantly better understood by me, I have good luck running 3.1-STABLE on an HP OmniBook 4100 by using ntldr (with "stock" M$ boot blocks) chaining to FreeBSD with C:\boot2="FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE" added to boot.ini (This also gets around the BIOS limitation on boot partition location!) Good luck, Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:17:32 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from 21.zoomsystems.com (hil-qbu-ppy-vty42.as.wcom.net [209.154.59.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACF114BE1 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:17:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jeff@Wagsky.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by 21.zoomsystems.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id IAA20123; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:16:51 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from Jeff@Wagsky.com) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:16:50 +1100 (EST) From: Jeff Kletsky X-Sender: root@21.zoomsystems.com To: Stan Brown Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Risk of 3.0 -> 3.1 on Multi-Boot machin? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ***** ERRATUM ON PRIOR MESSAGE ***** ***** Should be "boot1" ***** On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Stan Brown wrote: > I have a laptop, that Iuse every day at work. It has 3.o (from the CD) > on it, and Win95, WinNT using Booteasy, which then calls the NT boot > manager. [...] While it is not significantly better understood by me, I have good luck running 3.1-STABLE on an HP OmniBook 4100 by using ntldr (with "stock" M$ boot blocks) chaining to FreeBSD with C:\boot1="FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE" ***** NOT "boot2" !!! added to boot.ini (This also gets around the BIOS limitation on boot partition location!) Good luck, Jeff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:18:43 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 839E214BC9 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:18:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA75216; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:18:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:18:17 -0800 From: Matthew Hunt To: Brett Taylor Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems after upgrade/re-install Message-ID: <19990319131817.B75084@wopr.caltech.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Brett Taylor on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 01:53:26PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 01:53:26PM -0700, Brett Taylor wrote: > I clearly munged something by just moving the passwd and group files over > from their backups. How can I fix this so things like talk work again? This is just guesswork, but since you ran pwd_mkdb after restoring master.passwd, I would expect the password files to be in good shape. My guess is that your utmp and/or wtmp are causing problems, because their format changed to accomodate the longer usernames in 3.0, and talk is probably looking at utmp to see if you're logged in, and getting confused because the file format is wrong. I would copy /var/run/wtmp (if it is a custom among your people to keep them for recordkeeping) and then remove both utmp and wtmp, and "touch" them. Then log in again so that your presence is recorded in utmp, and see if talk works. Matt -- Matthew Hunt * Stay close to the Vorlon. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:22:47 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584C915698 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:22:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10262; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:22:06 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:22:06 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: Matthew Hunt Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: problems after upgrade/re-install In-Reply-To: <19990319131817.B75084@wopr.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Matt, On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Matthew Hunt wrote: > This is just guesswork, but since you ran pwd_mkdb after restoring > master.passwd, I would expect the password files to be in good shape. > My guess is that your utmp and/or wtmp are causing problems, because > their format changed to accomodate the longer usernames in 3.0, > and talk is probably looking at utmp to see if you're logged in, > and getting confused because the file format is wrong. Hmmm - this seems perfectly reasonable. > I would copy /var/run/wtmp (if it is a custom among your people to > keep them for recordkeeping) and then remove both utmp and wtmp, and > "touch" them. Then log in again so that your presence is recorded in > utmp, and see if talk works. This didn't work - it still thinks there's no such user... crud. Thanks, Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:25:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CFE156D3 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) id NAA75305; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:24:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:24:52 -0800 From: Matthew Hunt To: Brett Taylor Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems after upgrade/re-install Message-ID: <19990319132452.A75284@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <19990319131817.B75084@wopr.caltech.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Brett Taylor on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:22:06PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Brett, On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:22:06PM -0700, Brett Taylor wrote: > This didn't work - it still thinks there's no such user... crud. Bummer. Are "finger" and "w" able to identify users? Also, make sure that the ntalkd specified in inetd.conf has been upgraded to 3.x, so that it is able to read the new utmp format. -- Matthew Hunt * What do you want? http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 13:32:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.physics.montana.edu (peloton.physics.montana.edu [153.90.192.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2CA15640 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 13:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.physics.montana.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10300; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:31:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:31:33 -0700 (MST) From: Brett Taylor To: Matthew Hunt Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems after upgrade/re-install In-Reply-To: <19990319132452.A75284@wopr.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Matt, > Bummer. Are "finger" and "w" able to identify users? Also, > make sure that the ntalkd specified in inetd.conf has been > upgraded to 3.x, so that it is able to read the new utmp format. Yeah, finger and w and who all work okay. My inetd.conf is the one that was installed w/ 3.1 (diff'ed it wrt/ the one in /usr/src/etc). And yes ntalkd is uncommented in inetd.conf. :-) The only difference I see between my 2.2.8 and 3.1 inetd.conf in the talk lines is the new one uses tty:tty and the old one used root: new (3.1) ntalk dgram udp wait tty:tty /usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd old (2.2.8) ntalk dgram udp wait root /usr/libexec/ntalkd ntalkd and I didn't think that would make a difference but.... Brett *********************************************************** Brett Taylor brett@peloton.physics.montana.edu * brett@daemonnews.org * * http://www.daemonnews.org/ * *********************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 14: 2:45 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.lonetree.com (falcon.lonetree.com [207.141.55.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C229415749 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 14:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfnet@wolfnet-irc.org) Received: from wolfnet-irc.org (users.wolfnet-irc.org [209.64.46.42]) by falcon.lonetree.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21674 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:02:13 -0700 Message-ID: <36F2CA85.4FA9D8E5@wolfnet-irc.org> Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 15:07:01 -0700 From: Jonathan Frazier Organization: The WolfNet-IRC Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion References: <36F267F2.627CC555@halcyon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sone of you aren't getting this concept I guess. This is not new...this is how all software is produced, it's just called different names. Just as Microsoft has their Betas, FreeBSD had -CURRENT. Just as Microsoft puts it on disk, FreeBSD has -RELEASE. Just as Microsoft then fixes their bugs they didn't find in the betas and issue patchs and version 'b', FreeBSD has -STABLE. It's nothing new and it's nothing to argue over. Comparing 3.0-RELEASE to 2.8-STABLE is like comparing Windows 98 to Windows 95b with all the patches.....The only real difference is that unlike Microsoft, FreeBSD produces a quality operating system with real stability. -STABLE doesn't neccesarily mean that the others are not "STABLE". Even when I ran -CURRENT (betas) I was ALWAYS 10 times more stable then any MS OS I have ever used in my life. This discussion is not about a newbies choice of versions, more of ignorance of the newbie. They should do just like any use of any OS and get the disk. (-release) Then after they learn more about it and are able to run it, then they can think about running other variations. I do see what you all are saying though. Let me leave you with these last words: "As many people have somewhat bitterly pointed out by now, this business has become a 10% technology and 90% perception equation as far as the direction in which people stampede is concerned, and hate them for the mindless little sheep that they are, you still need to understand people's tendencies and behavioral patterns when it comes to dealing with anything they don't really understand. We've done a great job on the technology, we really have (and should be proud of that), but all too frequently we just throw up our hands over the perception issue and tell people to think whatever the hell they want to." (Jordan K. Hubbard, FreeBSD) I think this more or less describes the issue at hand. The consumer doesn't understand. so let them buy the release or download whatever release they want. I would recommend ANY of the FreeBSD versions -RELEASE or -STABLE. Then once they have an idea about what they are doing...they can make the decision for themselves. I just don't think it's really a stability issue at this point. Jonathan David C. Jenner wrote: > This guy is absolutely correct. The designations RELEASE, STABLE, > and CURRENT, what they mean, and the targeted audience of each are > exceedingly confusing. > > You (FreeBSD experts who intimately know what you are doing) are cooking > your own goose. If it's your goal to have your own, private enclave > of FreeBSD users, you're doing great. If you want to spread the good > word, you're shouting into a paper bag. > > Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 16:15:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C3ED11509F for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:14:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA23289 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:13:59 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA14459; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:13:54 -0800 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:13:54 -0800 Message-Id: <199903200013.AA14459@waltz.rahul.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Frazier writes: >I would recommend ANY of the FreeBSD versions -RELEASE or -STABLE. >Then once they have an idea about what they are doing...they can make >the decision for themselves. I just don't think it's really a >stability issue at this point. Below is the output from 'last reboot' on a 3.1-RELEASE machine. The 5:17 am reboots are done from cron. The rest, except for one or two, are kernel panics. reboot ~ Fri Mar 19 05:17 reboot ~ Thu Mar 18 05:17 reboot ~ Wed Mar 17 05:17 reboot ~ Tue Mar 16 17:23 reboot ~ Tue Mar 16 13:07 reboot ~ Tue Mar 16 05:17 reboot ~ Mon Mar 15 05:17 reboot ~ Sun Mar 14 14:22 reboot ~ Sun Mar 14 05:17 reboot ~ Sat Mar 13 06:31 reboot ~ Sat Mar 13 05:17 reboot ~ Fri Mar 12 18:49 reboot ~ Fri Mar 12 09:02 reboot ~ Fri Mar 12 05:17 reboot ~ Thu Mar 11 22:54 reboot ~ Thu Mar 11 07:02 reboot ~ Thu Mar 11 05:17 reboot ~ Wed Mar 10 13:23 reboot ~ Wed Mar 10 05:17 reboot ~ Tue Mar 9 17:26 reboot ~ Tue Mar 9 05:17 reboot ~ Mon Mar 8 01:52 reboot ~ Sun Mar 7 01:41 reboot ~ Tue Mar 2 11:30 wtmp begins Tue Mar 2 11:30:22 1999 -- Rahul Dhesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 16:32:12 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com (s205m64.whistle.com [207.76.205.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32C21523D for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:32:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id QAA46756 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:31:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <199903200031.QAA46756@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <199903200013.AA14459@waltz.rahul.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From: Rahul Dhesi >Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:13:54 -0800 >Below is the output from 'last reboot' on a 3.1-RELEASE machine. The >5:17 am reboots are done from cron. The rest, except for one or two, >are kernel panics. [24 lines of reboots edided -- dhw] >wtmp begins Tue Mar 2 11:30:22 1999 And for comparison (not to cast aspersions at Rahul or what he's seeing, by any means), here's what I get: pau-amma[38]% last reboot wtmp begins Tue Mar 2 18:12:00 1999 pau-amma[39]% uname -a FreeBSD pau-amma.whistle.com 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE #1: Sun Feb 28 07:29:16 PST 1999 dhw@pau-amma.whistle.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/PAU-AMMA i386 pau-amma[40]% Seems to me that one of the lessons is "YMMV". Mind you, I'm generally fairly good at breaking things; maybe I happened to get lucky (though I like to think that during the last 13 months of exposure to FreeBSD, maybe I've learned enough to be able to configure a system more nearly appropriately with its intended use than I did at first). And "pau-amma" is my desktop, which may well account for some of this. cheers, david -- David Wolfskill UNIX System Administrator dhw@whistle.com voice: (650) 577-7158 pager: (650) 371-4621 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 16:33:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B3114F1C for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:33:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12242; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903200032.QAA12242@implode.root.com> To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:13:54 PST." <199903200013.AA14459@waltz.rahul.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 16:32:08 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This information isn't useful to us unless you provide specifics about the panics. They could be caused by anything from hardware to software to improper configuration, and without more information it isn't possible to tell. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project >>I would recommend ANY of the FreeBSD versions -RELEASE or -STABLE. >>Then once they have an idea about what they are doing...they can make >>the decision for themselves. I just don't think it's really a >>stability issue at this point. > >Below is the output from 'last reboot' on a 3.1-RELEASE machine. The >5:17 am reboots are done from cron. The rest, except for one or two, >are kernel panics. > >reboot ~ Fri Mar 19 05:17 >reboot ~ Thu Mar 18 05:17 >reboot ~ Wed Mar 17 05:17 >reboot ~ Tue Mar 16 17:23 >reboot ~ Tue Mar 16 13:07 >reboot ~ Tue Mar 16 05:17 >reboot ~ Mon Mar 15 05:17 >reboot ~ Sun Mar 14 14:22 >reboot ~ Sun Mar 14 05:17 >reboot ~ Sat Mar 13 06:31 >reboot ~ Sat Mar 13 05:17 >reboot ~ Fri Mar 12 18:49 >reboot ~ Fri Mar 12 09:02 >reboot ~ Fri Mar 12 05:17 >reboot ~ Thu Mar 11 22:54 >reboot ~ Thu Mar 11 07:02 >reboot ~ Thu Mar 11 05:17 >reboot ~ Wed Mar 10 13:23 >reboot ~ Wed Mar 10 05:17 >reboot ~ Tue Mar 9 17:26 >reboot ~ Tue Mar 9 05:17 >reboot ~ Mon Mar 8 01:52 >reboot ~ Sun Mar 7 01:41 >reboot ~ Tue Mar 2 11:30 > >wtmp begins Tue Mar 2 11:30:22 1999 >-- >Rahul Dhesi > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 19:10:10 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from buffy.tpgi.com.au (buffy.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8440C14D25 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eirvine@tpgi.com.au) Received: (from smtpd@localhost) by buffy.tpgi.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA08146; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:09:15 +1100 Received: from tar-56k-208.tpgi.com.au(203.26.26.208), claiming to be "tpgi.com.au" via SMTP by buffy.tpgi.com.au, id smtpda08089; Sat Mar 20 14:09:05 1999 Message-ID: <36F31F59.FD4E3C28@tpgi.com.au> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:08:57 +1000 From: Eddie Irvine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Woodman Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Keith Woodman wrote: > After following the discussion regarding the releases of product. > I am left , wondering what is considered a sound product to > install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering. > "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next > kewlest thing". I installed the 3.0 CD as well, and keeping current caused me a lot more work than I imagined. HOWEVER, I remember that, at the time, the offical STABLE release was 2.8, and there were copious warnings all over the place that 3.0 was very much a work in progress. Now that the 3.1 CD is shipping, the dust has settled quite a bit. FreeBSD is permanently a "work in progress". If you are wondering what CD to buy next, you may be missing out on one of the big strengths of FreeBSD over, say, Red Hat: The ability to keep your machine in sync with the latest STABLE code. You can't really do this by buying CD's - as soon as a CD is released, parts of it are out of date in a few hours or so. Of course, the CD's don't just contain the OS, they also contain the latest versions of ported applications. (The latter is really the only reason I subscribe to the CD distribution). You need to learn about "cvsup" and "make world" and "compiling a custom kernel". It's worth doing, although a little intimidating to begin with. You don't have to be a kernel hacker (at all), but for end users (like me) it is a little easier if you purchase Greg Lehey's "The Complete FreeBSD" text. Eddie. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 19:37:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5AA15421 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:37:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA05188; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:36:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA01128; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:36:02 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:36:02 +0100 (CET) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Eddie Irvine Cc: Keith Woodman , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <36F31F59.FD4E3C28@tpgi.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Eddie Irvine wrote: > Keith Woodman wrote: > > > After following the discussion regarding the releases of product. > > I am left , wondering what is considered a sound product to > > install on a machine. The frequency of CD releases leaves me wondering. > > "well what was wrong in the last version they said was the next > > kewlest thing". > > I installed the 3.0 CD as well, and keeping current caused me a lot more > work than I imagined. I tested 3.0 on a spare box and found it still had to many problems so didn't do my production servers. Now I got the 3.1 CD and will install that first on a non production box and test all the bits off code that are required on my production servers out before dyving in and upgrading the 5 production boxes here. I would sugest anyone who has production boxes do this that way so to minimize downtime. Don't be dumb and install a new release because you can test it first. > > Now that the 3.1 CD is shipping, the dust has settled quite a bit. Yes but I would say test it first. > > FreeBSD is permanently a "work in progress". If you are wondering what > CD to buy next, you may be missing out on one of the big strengths > of FreeBSD over, say, Red Hat: The ability to keep your machine in sync > with the latest STABLE code. You can't really do this by buying CD's - > as soon as a CD is released, parts of it are out of date in a few hours or > so. That is what cvs was invented for .. and that I why I switched all my machines to FreeBSD when 2.2.6. was released. However I don't just run cvs on all those machines I have a dedicated box that cvs's all the code and then builds all the code and runs a number off test scripts that test all the code used in the production boxes and then sends me a report if it fails if not I upgrade the production box by mounting it's hd and do a automtic install then I log in to the production box check if any changes are required in /etc and reboot the server. My maximum downtime is 5 minutes per upgrade unless some hardware goes bad but that is not the fault of FreeBSD. > You need to learn about "cvsup" and "make world" and "compiling a > custom kernel". It's worth doing, although a little intimidating to > begin with. No not really it's a one time thing to learn and should take no more then 10 minutes ... and you can automate the process by dumping those commands in a script and have cron do all the work over the weekend or when you are at work for those who have their boxes at home. just do the buildword in the script so that incase off errors you can iterveen before installing with installworld when you get home. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 20: 7: 5 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (osmium.gn.iaf.nl [193.67.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9533A14E23 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:06:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wilko@yedi.iaf.nl) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uni4nn.gn.iaf.nl (8.9.2/8.9.2) with UUCP id EAA13693; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:54:45 +0100 (MET) Received: (from wilko@localhost) by yedi.iaf.nl (8.8.8/8.6.12) id AAA04338; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:28:27 +0100 (CET) From: Wilko Bulte Message-Id: <199903192328.AAA04338@yedi.iaf.nl> Subject: Re: Confusion In-Reply-To: <52314.921877837@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 19, 99 01:10:37 pm" To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:28:27 +0100 (CET) Cc: mwm@phone.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Organisation: Private FreeBSD site - Arnhem, The Netherlands X-pgp-info: PGP public key at 'finger wilko@freefall.freebsd.org' X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As Jordan K. Hubbard scribbled... > > that users are going to try and run your product on. Wise users have > > been avoiding .0 releases for production systems since - well, longer > > than I've been in the game. It's part of life in the software world, > > at least until that world undergoes some *radical* changes. > > Thank you, that's essentially what I've been trying to say in a far > less succinct fashion for the last 2 or 3 rounds. > > I also appreciate that it was pointed out that Windows 98 was hardly > any less buggy in its own way (or, for that matter, Win95) when first > released, the difference being that Microsoft was by no means as > honest about the bleeding-edge nature of these releases as we are. > They just hyped it to the skies and sold it like the shameless bunch > of jackals that they are. :-) > > I, on the other hand, warned people away from 3.0-RELEASE in multiple > emails, in the README, on the WEB site (www.cdrom.com was very clear > about 3.0-RELEASE's status in its mailed handouts and all promo > materials) and all I seem to have gotten for this degree of "honesty" > is a kick in the crotch and claims that users weren't adequately > warned. It's enough to make one wish for a nuclear war so that we > might perhaps redirect evolution to some more promising candidate. ;) Generations to come will probably learn, in addition to Heisenberg's principle the "Gates axioma": "one can sell, given enough marketing buzz, everything under the sun, irrespective of it's (lack of) quality." Maybe a second line will read: "And get filthy rich in the process". It might really be time to call in the Vogons ;-) -BTW: is this whole discussion not highly "-chat qualified" in the meantime? Groeten / Cheers, Wilko _ ______________________________________________________________________ | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte WWW : http://www.tcja.nl _______________________ Powered by FreeBSD ___ http://www.freebsd.org _____ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 20:22:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [209.157.82.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 195F815555 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 20659 invoked by uid 100); 20 Mar 1999 04:21:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 04:21:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:21:59 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Meyer To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, I get to demonstrate my clueless nature - doing "make" on a freshly-sup'ped (as in minutes ago) 3.1-STABLE is failing with the following error: ===> usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/../pccardd -Wall -g -static -c /usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/beep.c /usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/beep.c: In function `beep_main': /usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/beep.c:74: `PIOCSBEEP' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/beep.c:74: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/usr.sbin/pccard/pccardc/beep.c:74: for each function it appears in.) Do I need to go back and do a "make buildworld" for this one? Or is there some intermediate stage? Thanx, ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) id UAA77563; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:49:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:49:48 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Meyer Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion Message-ID: <19990319204948.A77543@relay.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@NUXI.com References: <19990319094651.A75415@relay.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Mike Meyer on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 10:23:41AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: David O'Brien > > > This guy is absolutely correct. The designations RELEASE, STABLE, > > and CURRENT, what they mean, and the targeted audience of each are > > exceedingly confusing. Hey man! Not my quote. :-) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com -or- obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 21: 7:38 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E65150CF for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA05303; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:06:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA01147; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:06:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:06:13 +0100 (CET) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Mike Meyer Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Yes you need to do a make buildworld after a cvs. then do a make installworld, compile a kernel, grock the /etc tree, reboot. Michael -- Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > Do I need to go back and do a "make buildworld" for this one? Or is > there some intermediate stage? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 21:12: 1 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [209.157.82.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31F4A14EF6 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 21294 invoked by uid 100); 20 Mar 1999 05:11:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 05:11:34 -0000 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Meyer To: "Michael C. Vergallen" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Um - are you sure? I'm running 3.1-STABLE already - just a bit behind the times. Normally, to update, I do a "make update", then a "make" and "make install". This is the first time that process has failed. Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:06:13 +0100 (CET) > From: Michael C. Vergallen > To: Mike Meyer > Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? > > Hi, > Yes you need to do a make buildworld after a cvs. then do a make > installworld, compile a kernel, grock the /etc tree, reboot. > > Michael > -- > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > Do I need to go back and do a "make buildworld" for this one? Or is > > there some intermediate stage? > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Mar 19 22:34:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from angel.double-barrel.be (mail.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7F714FED for ; Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:34:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be) Received: from ns.double-barrel.be (ns.double-barrel.be [194.7.102.18]) by angel.double-barrel.be (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA05351; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:33:18 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (mvergall@localhost) by ns.double-barrel.be (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA01182; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:33:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:33:12 +0100 (CET) From: "Michael C. Vergallen" To: Mike Meyer Cc: "Michael C. Vergallen" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I allways do it like this... However I'm still using 2.8 I should recieve 3.1 soon... However it does not make sence to me that they have changed the way the update process works..if they did I will have to update a lot off scripts before I put 3.1 into production... Michael Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > Um - are you sure? I'm running 3.1-STABLE already - just a bit behind > the times. Normally, to update, I do a "make update", then a "make" > and "make install". > > This is the first time that process has failed. > > > > On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Michael C. Vergallen wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 06:06:13 +0100 (CET) > > From: Michael C. Vergallen > > To: Mike Meyer > > Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? > > > > Hi, > > Yes you need to do a make buildworld after a cvs. then do a make > > installworld, compile a kernel, grock the /etc tree, reboot. > > > > Michael > > -- > > Michael C. Vergallen A.k.A. Mad Mike, > > Sportstraat 28 http://www.double-barrel.be/mvergall/ > > B 9000 Gent ftp://ftp.double-barrel.be/pub/linux/ > > Belgium tel : 32-9-2227764 Fax : 32-9-2224976 > > > > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > > Do I need to go back and do a "make buildworld" for this one? Or is > > > there some intermediate stage? > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 1: 1:27 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF1991504C for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:01:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA02720 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:00:56 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA09076; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:59:50 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:59:50 -0800 Message-Id: <199903200859.AA09076@waltz.rahul.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman writes: [ about my 'last reboot' output ] > This information isn't useful to us unless you provide specifics > about the panics. They could be caused by anything from hardware to > software to improper configuration, and without more information it > isn't possible to tell. More detailed info is in these PRs: kern/10397 kern/10542 I had collected about 3 gigabytes of crash dumps, all made with a kernel compiled with -g. Unfortunately the machine just crashed for the last time, taking the disklabel with it, so those crash dumps are now gone. -- Rahul Dhesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 1:12:40 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from implode.root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B51507D for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@implode.root.com) Received: from implode.root.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by implode.root.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13175; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:11:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199903200911.BAA13175@implode.root.com> To: Rahul Dhesi Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:59:50 PST." <199903200859.AA09076@waltz.rahul.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: dg@root.com Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:11:00 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've looked at the PRs. Thanks for pointing that out, and I apologize for missing them. Is it an option for you to stick in a Intel PCI Pro/100+ card? It would be useful in order to isolate the problem. -DG David Greenman Co-founder/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project >David Greenman writes: > >[ about my 'last reboot' output ] > >> This information isn't useful to us unless you provide specifics >> about the panics. They could be caused by anything from hardware to >> software to improper configuration, and without more information it >> isn't possible to tell. > >More detailed info is in these PRs: > > kern/10397 > kern/10542 > >I had collected about 3 gigabytes of crash dumps, all made with a kernel >compiled with -g. Unfortunately the machine just crashed for the last >time, taking the disklabel with it, so those crash dumps are now gone. >-- >Rahul Dhesi > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 3:11:55 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5418E14E96 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:11:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhesi@rahul.net) Received: from waltz.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA20016 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:11:32 -0800 From: Rahul Dhesi Received: by waltz.rahul.net (5.67b8/jive-a2i-1.0) id AA02635; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:11:31 -0800 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:11:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199903201111.AA02635@waltz.rahul.net> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Confusion Newsgroups: a2i.lists.freebsd-stable References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Greenman writes, about kern/10397 and kern/10542: >Is it an option for you to stick in a Intel PCI Pro/100+ card? It would >be useful in order to isolate the problem. When I first began encountering the crashes, I verified that they occurred even if I replaced the Tulip-based 10/100 network card with non-Tulip Linksys 10/100 card. Unfortunately at that time I was not collecting crash dumps. I will collect and report more information when I re-install one of the 3.x series FreeBSDs, which should be soon. -- Rahul Dhesi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 4:52:15 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B31E14BCD for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 04:52:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07438 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:51:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:51:52 +0100 (CET) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <199903201251.NAA07438@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Problem with "make release" Newsgroups: list.freebsd-stable Organization: Administration Heim 3 Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I tried to do a "make release" in mid February, I tried it a few days ago, and I tried it today. It always fails at exactly the same point, with the same error message -- it's 100% reproducible, so it's probably not a hardware problem. At first I thought that my CVS repository might be broken, so I newfs'ed it and cvsup'ed a fresh copy -- same thing. Interestingly, "make buildworld" works perfectly fine (takes about 1 hour), but "make release" fails after about 1.5 hours. I'm probably doing something wrong, because it seems to work for others, but WTF am I doing wrong?!? [...] ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl sh config_h.sh Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5/miniperlmain.c cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o miniperl miniperlmain.o -lperl -lm -lcrypt ===> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl find: build: No such file or directory find: build: No such file or directory sh config_h.sh Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) sh writemain.sh Extracting writemain (with variable substitutions) sh writemain lib/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a > perlmain.c cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../../../../contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c perlmain.c miniperl /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../../../../contrib/perl5/configpm Config.pm Porting/Glossary myconfig config.sh cd lib ; ln -sf ../Config.pm miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib -e 'use AutoSplit; autosplit_lib_modules(@ARGV)' lib/*.pm lib/*/*.pm Can't open perl script "-e": Device not configured *** Error code 6 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. [...] *** Error code 1 Stop. # Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 5: 8:46 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kiev.sovam.com (kiev.sovam.com [194.186.143.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFBA14EAE for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:08:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doka@kiev.sovam.com) Received: from doka (helo=localhost) by kiev.sovam.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10OLUE-0003zK-00; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:08:22 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:08:21 +0200 (EET) From: Vladimir Litovka Reply-To: doka@triton.kiev.sovam.com To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Oliver Fromme , Vadim Chepkov Subject: Re: Problem with "make release" In-Reply-To: <199903201251.NAA07438@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello! On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Interestingly, "make buildworld" works perfectly fine (takes > about 1 hour), Today's CVSUP make buildworld fails with this message: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ===> share/doc/psd/22.rpcgen touch _stamp.extraobjs (cd /usr/src/share/doc/psd/22.rpcgen/../../../../lib/libc/rpc/PSD.doc; groff -mt ty-char -Tascii -t -ms -o1- /usr/src/share/doc/psd/22.rpcgen/../../../../lib/lib c/rpc/PSD.doc/rpcgen.ms) | gzip -cn > paper.ascii.gz groff: can't find `DESC' file groff:fatal error: invalid device `ascii' ===> share/doc/psd/23.rpc touch _stamp.extraobjs (cd /usr/src/share/doc/psd/23.rpc/../../../../lib/libc/rpc/PSD.doc; groff -mtty- char -Tascii -t -p -ms -o1- /usr/src/share/doc/psd/23.rpc/../../../../lib/libc/r pc/PSD.doc/rpc.prog.ms) | gzip -cn > paper.ascii.gz groff: can't find `DESC' file groff:fatal error: invalid device `ascii' *** Error code 3 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is this? -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Litovka, hostmaster of Sovam Teleport Kiev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 7: 0:31 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [194.77.0.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F87150EA for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:00:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andreas@klemm.gtn.com) Received: from klemm.gtn.com (pppak04.gtn.com [194.231.123.169]) by picalon.gun.de (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09814; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:00:06 +0100 (MET) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) id PAA55981; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:42:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:42:41 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Mike Meyer , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Confusion Message-ID: <19990320154241.A32019@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <52314.921877837@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <52314.921877837@zippy.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 01:10:37PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 01:10:37PM -0800, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > If you want to fault the FreeBSD team for debugging on their customers > > platforms - then you've got to fault the entire industry. Everyone > > does it - because there isn't any way you can replicate *every* system > > that users are going to try and run your product on. Wise users have > > been avoiding .0 releases for production systems since - well, longer > > than I've been in the game. It's part of life in the software world, > > at least until that world undergoes some *radical* changes. > > Thank you, that's essentially what I've been trying to say in a far > less succinct fashion for the last 2 or 3 rounds. Just saw WDRCcomputerclub in TV reporting about CeBit in Hannover. Concerning M$ Release software (win 98).... A Sales person from Epson wanted to demonstrate people the new Epson 900, print speed 12 pages/minute.... Well you saw him for about three minutes fighting with his notebook... Nothing happened. "Well it's not the printer" .... pause ... "It's an error message from Win98" .... "Well, here you see, also professionals have to struggle with Win98" .... Reporter "possibly the next time you connect your printer to Linux or BeOS ?" .... after about 3 minutes they got it managed to print the application that "core dumped" so heavily under Win98.... Well that's release software you have to pay for ... ;-) M$ was a victim of their own in a presentation ... Now on TV from the CeBit ... well and Win98 is already out for some (many) months .... I think we don't have any reason to complain about stability and such using FreeBSD (*BSD) or Linux.... Andreas /// -- Andreas Klemm http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 8:32:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peach.ocn.ne.jp (peach.ocn.ne.jp [210.145.254.87]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12EF14DD4 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:32:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dcs@newsguy.com) Received: from newsguy.com by peach.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN) id BAA24493; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:31:27 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <36F3C79F.31ADDB05@newsguy.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:06:55 +0900 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: "Michael C. Vergallen" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > > Um - are you sure? I'm running 3.1-STABLE already - just a bit behind > the times. Normally, to update, I do a "make update", then a "make" > and "make install". > > This is the first time that process has failed. And it failed because "make world", not "make && make install" is the correct. Or "make buildworld" and then "make installworld". That it has not failed before is just luck. It doesn't even mean that your system is actually up to date. You also should update your kernel on a regular basis. Like, whenever you do a "make world". :-) Updating the kernel is *not* covered by the process you are (but shouldn't be) doing. Finally, /etc is also not covered. For this particular step, the port named "mergemaster" is highly recommended. The alternative is doing it by hand. All this information is on the handbook. The handbook is your friend, use it. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org "What happened?" "It moved, sir!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 8:52:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from isbalham.ist.co.uk (isbalham.ist.co.uk [192.31.26.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C24D14FF0 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:51:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from gid.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by isbalham.ist.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with UUCP id QAA23535 for freebsd.org!stable; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:51:34 GMT (envelope-from rb@gid.co.uk) Received: from [194.32.164.2] by seagoon.gid.co.uk; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:46:17 GMT X-Sender: rb@194.32.164.1 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:46:16 +0000 To: stable@freebsd.org From: Bob Bishop Subject: GENERIC kernel won't boot Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, Apologies if this has been done already, I only just started reading -stable. This one has me puzzled. A GENERIC kernel built from -STABLE as of just after midnight GMT 18 Mar 99 won't boot here; it does the following: Booting [kernel]... /kernel text=0x1b663a data=0x1cebc+0x20120 syms=[0x4+0x257f0+0x4+0x25bf4] int=00000006 err=00000000 efl=00010046 eip=00118cc8 eax=00102800 ebx=0002fafc ecx=00000004 edx=00026310 esi=0002f469 edi=0033fa05 ebp=00094e78 esp=0009ee40 cs=0008 ds=0010 es=0010 fs=0010 gs=0010 ss=0010 cs:eip=c6 25 08 28 26 25 08 28-80 35 0a 28 f6 25 08 28 ss:esp=ee 94 00 00 00 00 00 80--4 00 20 a0 00 00 00 00 System halted A custom kernel from the same sources works just fine; dmesg (from the working kernel, obviously) follows. Any ideas anyone? Copyright (c) 1992-1999 FreeBSD Inc. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE #1: Sat Mar 20 12:56:37 GMT 1999 rb@hal.gid.co.uk:/source/STABLE/src/sys/compile/HAL Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 166194048 Hz CPU: Cyrix 6x86MX (166.19-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "CyrixInstead" Id = 0x600 Stepping=0 DIR=0x0452 Features=0x80a135 real memory = 33554432 (32768K bytes) avail memory = 30146560 (29440K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xf02a3000. Probing for devices on PCI bus 0: chip0: rev 0x01 on pci0.0.0 chip1: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.0 chip2: rev 0x01 on pci0.7.3 ed1: rev 0x0b int a irq 9 on pci0.9.0 ed1: address 00:20:18:80:b8:cb, type NE2000 (16 bit) vga0: rev 0x53 int a irq 12 on pci0.10.0 Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 on isa sc0: VGA color <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 not found at 0x280 atkbdc0 at 0x60-0x6f on motherboard atkbd0 irq 1 on isa psm0 not found sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in ppc0 at 0x378 irq 7 on isa ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode nlpt0: on ppbus 0 nlpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus 0 plip0: on ppbus 0 aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa aha0: AHA-1542CF FW Rev. B.0 (ID=45) SCSI Host Adapter, SCSI ID 7, 16 CCBs vga0 at 0x3b0-0x3df maddr 0xa0000 msize 131072 on isa npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle changing root device to da0s1a da0 at aha0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 3.300MB/s transfers da0: 1908MB (3907911 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 1908C) da1 at aha0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 3.300MB/s transfers da1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present -- Bob Bishop (0118) 977 4017 international code +44 118 rb@gid.co.uk fax (0118) 989 4254 between 0800 and 1800 UK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 9:45:24 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835F814C47 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id SAA19042; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:44:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: "Michael C. Vergallen" Cc: Mike Meyer , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 20 Mar 1999 18:44:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Michael C. Vergallen"'s message of "Sat, 20 Mar 1999 07:33:12 +0100 (CET)" Message-ID: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Michael C. Vergallen" writes: > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Um - are you sure? I'm running 3.1-STABLE already - just a bit behind > > the times. Normally, to update, I do a "make update", then a "make" > > and "make install". > I allways do it like this... However I'm still using 2.8 I should recieve > 3.1 soon... However it does not make sence to me that they have changed > the way the update process works..if they did I will have to update a lot > off scripts before I put 3.1 into production... The correct way to update a FreeBSD system from source is, and has always¹ been 'make world' or 'make buildworld && make installworld' (the two forms are equivalent), followed by a manual (or automated, e.g. with the mergemaster port) update of the /etc directory. 'make' followed by 'make install' will *not* work. ¹ for as long as I've used FreeBSD, that is DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 10:20:36 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klentaq1.emergingtech.org (klentaq1.emergingtech.org [199.217.151.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB38150A2 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:20:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stabilizer@klentaq1.emergingtech.org) Received: (from stabilizer@localhost) by klentaq1.emergingtech.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA11206; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:23:05 GMT (envelope-from stabilizer) From: Wayne M Barnes Message-Id: <199903201223.MAA11206@klentaq1.emergingtech.org> Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? (fwd) To: mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:23:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dear Michael, For some unaccountable reason, the /usr/src/Makefile does not contain, in the list of "user-driven targets", the one you need. Despite several messages to this list, whoever keeps up that makefile refuses to put in the line # upgrade - upgrade your 2.2.8 system to the new ELF way and boot blocks You should do a 'make upgrade'. Watch out for your commands w, passwd, and send-pr dying or becoming inoperative, because of incomplete adaptation to 16-letter usernames. If you really want to upgrade, start over with a blank drive, and save yourself a lot of time. Wayne M Barnes stabilizer@klentaq1.emergingtech.org ----- Forwarded message from Dag-Erling Smorgrav ----- To: "Michael C. Vergallen" Cc: Mike Meyer , stable@FreeBSD.ORG "Michael C. Vergallen" writes: > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mike Meyer wrote: > > Um - are you sure? I'm running 3.1-STABLE already - just a bit behind > > the times. Normally, to update, I do a "make update", then a "make" > > and "make install". > I allways do it like this... However I'm still using 2.8 I should recieve > 3.1 soon... However it does not make sence to me that they have changed > the way the update process works..if they did I will have to update a lot > off scripts before I put 3.1 into production... The correct way to update a FreeBSD system from source is, and has always¹ been 'make world' or 'make buildworld && make installworld' (the two forms are equivalent), followed by a manual (or automated, e.g. with the mergemaster port) update of the /etc directory. 'make' followed by 'make install' will *not* work. ¹ for as long as I've used FreeBSD, that is DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no ----- End of forwarded message from Dag-Erling Smorgrav ----- Wayne M Barnes stabilizer@klentaq1.emergingtech.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 11:18:23 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32CF14E20 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:18:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.2/8.9.1) id UAA20265; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:17:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des) To: Wayne M Barnes Cc: mvergall@mail.double-barrel.be, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? (fwd) References: <199903201223.MAA11206@klentaq1.emergingtech.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 20 Mar 1999 20:17:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: Wayne M Barnes's message of "Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:23:05 +0000 (GMT)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 19.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wayne M Barnes writes: > For some unaccountable reason, the /usr/src/Makefile does > not contain, in the list of "user-driven targets", the one you > need. Despite several messages to this list, whoever keeps > up that makefile refuses to put in the line Nobody's talking about upgrading from 2.2.x to 3.x. This thread is about keeping track of 3.1-STABLE with cvsup and make world. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 12:11:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lake1.lakefield.net (lake1.lakefield.net [198.70.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A969D14D2A for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:09:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aheffner@lakefield.net) Received: from enterprise.muriel.dyn.ml.org (stonerd-4-24.lakefield.net [206.40.102.90]) by lake1.lakefield.net (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23521; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:09:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990319114532.A29975@homer.louisville.edu> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:10:56 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Heffner To: Keith Stevenson Subject: Re: Out of file descriptors Cc: gjohnson@nola.srrc.usda.gov, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 19-Mar-99 Keith Stevenson wrote: | On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 10:13:15AM -0600, Glenn Johnson wrote: | > I just cvsupped the stable source yesterday, 3-18-1999 at about 4:00 p.m. | > CST. After building the world and a kernel I get the following upon reboot | > (I am copying this from the screen of the machine that won't boot): | > | > ...snip some boot info... | > | > Waiting 2 seconds for SCSI devices to settle | > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! | > changing root device to da0s1a | > da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun0 | > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 Device | > da0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MKz, offset 15). Tagged Queueing Enabled | > da0: 4110MB (8418816 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 524C) | > .: Out of file descriptors | > | > I then get put into single user mode. | | You need to sync up the system configuration files in /etc. Specifically, | /etc/rc.conf has changed a LOT since 2.2.X. In 3.1, /etc/defaults/rc.conf | is | the master copy of the rc.conf file. /etc/rc.conf only contains your | machine | specific overrides from the defaults. Having a complete rc.conf file in | /etc | kills the boot. you just can't have the following lines at the end of /etc/rc.conf: for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do if [ -f $i ]; then . $i fi done this causes a loop of reloading the same rc.conf file, which causes your machine to soon run out of file descriptors once it's loaded several hundred copies of itself. so if you copy your /etc/defaults/rc.conf file to /etc/rc.conf, make sure you remove those lines. ------------------------------------- Mike Heffner Manitowoc, WI 54220 ICQ# 882073 Date: 20-Mar-99 Time: 14:07:40 ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 12:56:37 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.phone.net (guru.phone.net [209.157.82.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47A6715096 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:55:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mwm@phone.net) Received: (qmail 50895 invoked by uid 100); 20 Mar 1999 20:55:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Mar 1999 20:55:16 -0000 Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 12:55:16 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Meyer To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? In-Reply-To: <36F3C79F.31ADDB05@newsguy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 01:06:55 +0900 > From: Daniel C. Sobral > To: Mike Meyer > Cc: Michael C. Vergallen , stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Build of 3.1-STABLE failing? > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > Um - are you sure? I'm running 3.1-STABLE already - just a bit behind > > the times. Normally, to update, I do a "make update", then a "make" > > and "make install". > > > > This is the first time that process has failed. > > And it failed because "make world", not "make && make install" is > the correct. Or "make buildworld" and then "make installworld". > > That it has not failed before is just luck. It doesn't even mean > that your system is actually up to date. > > You also should update your kernel on a regular basis. Like, > whenever you do a "make world". :-) Updating the kernel is *not* > covered by the process you are (but shouldn't be) doing. > > Finally, /etc is also not covered. For this particular step, the > port named "mergemaster" is highly recommended. The alternative is > doing it by hand. Actually, I'm aware of all that. The goal is (was?) to upgrade the utilities. Watching the stable list for hints as to when the kernel needed to be updated as well - and doing that at that time. From the above, it looks like I shouldn't be tracking -STABLE, but should be running -RELEASE. Just one question - what are "make" and "make install" for, then? ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:57:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id OAA02574; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:56:06 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199903202156.OAA02574@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Confusion To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 14:56:05 -0700 (MST) Cc: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19671.921812560@zippy.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at "Mar 18, 99 07:02:40 pm" Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm sure >> it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my >> disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says >> ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development >> environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. > > You just haven't looked very carefully. ;) From the README.TXT > in 3.0-RELEASE: > > TARGET AUDIENCE: > ---------------- > This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various > other folks who want to get on board with 3.0 and are willing to deal > with the various down-sides of a "dot-zero" release. We have naturally > done our best to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the > first release on a branch which has seen some very radical changes > from 2.2.x (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), it's > also very new technology and will require at least one more release > along the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production" purposes. But to be fair, if he's talking in the context of the CD set in a store (as he seems to be above), he can't read the README.TXT until after he's purchased the set. Too late. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 15: 5: 7 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C37014FD2; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:05:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id QAA02719; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:03:30 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199903202303.QAA02719@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Problems with SB16 PnP and FBSD-stable (fwd) To: haro@tk.kubota.co.jp (Munehiro Matsuda) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:03:30 -0700 (MST) Cc: beaupran@jsp.umontreal.ca, spidey@libdns.qc.ca, kaj@raditex.se, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <19990319084450Y.haro@tk.kubota.co.jp> from Munehiro Matsuda at "Mar 19, 99 08:44:50 am" Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a SB16 working on my 2.2.8 machine. It's a little different, in that it is set up to dual boot both FreeBSD and WinNT. Because WinNT doesn't properly support Plug and Pray, it's disabled in the BIOS. Therefore, I =don't= have the PnP controller configured in my kernel, and I hard-wire the SoundBlaster. The relevant line in my kernel config reads: device pcm0 at isa? port 0x220 tty irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 vector pcmintr Then I had to: cd /dev ./MAKEDEV snd0 and life was good. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 15:48:17 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [209.224.254.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF16314E21 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 15:48:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin.westbend.net [209.224.254.141]) by mail.westbend.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04876 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:47:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <003a01be732c$0cea75c0$8dfee0d1@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: References: Subject: Re: Out of file descriptors Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:47:43 -0600 Organization: West Bend Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Heffner > for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do > if [ -f $i ]; then > . $i > fi > done > > this causes a loop of reloading the same rc.conf file, which causes your > machine to soon run out of file descriptors once it's loaded several hundred > copies of itself. so if you copy your /etc/defaults/rc.conf file to > /etc/rc.conf, make sure you remove those lines. > And the fix is to put in a test that checks if we are trying to read the file that we were called from: for i in ${rc_conf_files}; do if [ $0 != $i ]; then if [ -f $i ]; then . $i fi else echo "Error: $0 isn't allowed to re-load $i." echo "Error: Please do not copy /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf" fi done When someone does copy /etc/defaults/rc.conf to /etc/rc.conf, /etc/rc.conf will detect that it is calling another copy of it's self and not load it. It will re-load all the other ${rc_conf_files}. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 16:58:57 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rrnet.com (rrnet.com [206.11.160.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8908414E7F for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsdstable@rrnet.com) Received: (from freebsdstable@localhost) by rrnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15530 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:58:32 -0600 (CST) From: Chad Dubuque Message-Id: <199903210058.SAA15530@rrnet.com> Subject: syslogd "fixes" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:58:32 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a 2.2.7-RELEASE and a 3.1-RELEASE machine. I'm trying to send the 3.1 machine syslog messages from a Cisco router. The 2.1.7 machine accepts the messages fine, but the 3.1 doesn't. I've run "tcpdump" and can see the messages getting to the machine, but syslogd doesn't seem to like them. I've run syslogd without any options and with "-a 10.1.1.8:*" to try to get it to like messages from the Cisco. The 3.1 is at 10.1.9.43 -netmask 255.0.0.0, the router is at 10.1.1.1. Am I missing something obvious, or is there a problem with syslogd now that its default behaviour is to ignore messages from the outside unless configured to accept them? Thanks (in advance) for the help. -- Chad Dubuque cdubuque@rrnet.com Fargo, N.D. (USA) Red River Net - Internet Communications http://www.rrnet.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 17:13:33 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from Tasha.STARDreams.org (maccess-01-114.magna.com.au [203.111.85.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AF714CE5 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 17:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from guru@b0rk.looksharp.net) Received: from EventHorizon (EventHorizon.STARDreams.org [10.144.144.1]) by Tasha.STARDreams.org (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA02320 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:13:25 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from guru@b0rk.looksharp.net) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19990321121313.00975bd0@b0rk.looksharp.net> X-Sender: guru@b0rk.looksharp.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 12:13:13 +1100 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: GuRu Subject: Strange boot problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently I've been encountering strange boot problems with 3.1-RELEASE updated to 3.1-STABLE on a brand new system. None of the kernels I've built (or even kernel.GENERIC) will boot unless I hit a key at startup and enter boot -cv, then the kernels might boot properly. I've tried recompiling kernels with all different combinations of options but it always comes back to the same, unless I use boot -cv, the kernel fails to boot. This is the specific error message. Considering FFS root f/s. changing root device to wd0s1a wd0s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 8402939, size 8402877 : OK Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor read, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0x0 stack pointer = 0x10:0xf41dad20 frame pointer = 0x10:0xf41dad44 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 1 (swapper) interrupt mask = trap number = 12 panic: page fault Other related information : hip0: rev 0x04 on pci0.0.0 found-> vendor=0x10b9, dev=0x5243, revid=0x04 class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 chip1: rev 0x04 on pci0.1.0 found-> vendor=0x10b9, dev=0x7101, revid=0x00 class=06-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 chip2: rev 0x00 on pci0.3.0 found-> vendor=0x10b9, dev=0x1533, revid=0xc3 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 chip3: rev 0xc3 on pci0.7.0 found-> vendor=0x1113, dev=0x1211, revid=0x10 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=12 map[0]: type 4, range 32, base 0000d800, size 8 map[1]: type 1, range 32, base df000000, size 8 ide_pci0: rev 0xc1 int a irq 0 on pci0.15.0 ide_pci: busmaster 0 status: a4 from port: 0000d402 ide_pci: ide0:0 has been configured for DMA by BIOS ide_pci: busmaster 1 status: 80 from port: 0000d40a wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 flags 0xa0ffa0ff on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): , DMA, 32-bit, multi-block-16 wd0: 4103MB (8404830 sectors), 8894 cyls, 15 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wd0: ATA INQUIRE valid = 0007, dmamword = 0007, apio = 0003, udma = 0407 Thanks in advance for any insights... -- K To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 19: 0: 9 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (ne.mediaone.net [24.128.1.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B317214FC9 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 18:59:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from housley@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net) Received: from frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.74.10]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA23165; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (housley@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA53010; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from housley@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net) Message-ID: <36F46079.3238C049@frenchknot.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:59:05 -0500 From: "James E. Housley" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chad Dubuque Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syslogd "fixes" References: <199903210058.SAA15530@rrnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chad Dubuque wrote: > > I have a 2.2.7-RELEASE and a 3.1-RELEASE machine. I'm trying to send the 3.1 > machine syslog messages from a Cisco router. The 2.1.7 machine accepts the > messages fine, but the 3.1 doesn't. I've run "tcpdump" and can see the > messages getting to the machine, but syslogd doesn't seem to like them. I've > run syslogd without any options and with "-a 10.1.1.8:*" to try to get it to > like messages from the Cisco. > > The 3.1 is at 10.1.9.43 -netmask 255.0.0.0, the router is at 10.1.1.1. Am I > missing something obvious, or is there a problem with syslogd now that its > default behaviour is to ignore messages from the outside unless configured > to accept them? > Are you running syslogd with the -a parameter set to the proper value. I would guess that it is 10.0.0.0/8 syslogd -a 10.0.0.0/8 Check the 3.1 syslogd man page for more details. -- James E. Housley PGP: 1024/03983B4D System Supply, Inc. 2C 3F 3A 0D A8 D8 C3 13 Pager: pagejim@notepage.com 7C F0 B5 BF 27 8B 92 FE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 19: 3: 2 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from awfulhak.org (awfulhak.force9.co.uk [195.166.136.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71451502A for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:02:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (keep.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.8]) by awfulhak.org (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA43710 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:15:20 GMT (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by keep.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA43708 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:14:31 GMT (envelope-from brian@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <199903201314.NAA43708@keep.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem with "make release" In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:51:52 +0100." <199903201251.NAA07438@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 13:14:31 +0000 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you got a couple of vn devices configured ? I have no idea = why miniperl is complaining, but vn's are required to build the boot = floppies etc. > Hi, > = > I tried to do a "make release" in mid February, I tried it a > few days ago, and I tried it today. It always fails at exactly > the same point, with the same error message -- it's 100% > reproducible, so it's probably not a hardware problem. > = > At first I thought that my CVS repository might be broken, > so I newfs'ed it and cvsup'ed a fresh copy -- same thing. > = > Interestingly, "make buildworld" works perfectly fine (takes > about 1 hour), but "make release" fails after about 1.5 hours. > I'm probably doing something wrong, because it seems to work > for others, but WTF am I doing wrong?!? > = > [...] > =3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl > =3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl/libperl > =3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl > sh config_h.sh > Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../= contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -I/usr/obj/u= sr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../= contrib/perl5/miniperlmain.c > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl/../../../../= contrib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/miniperl -I/usr/obj/u= sr/src/tmp/usr/include -static -o miniperl miniperlmain.o -lperl -lm -l= crypt > =3D=3D=3D> gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl > find: build: No such file or directory > find: build: No such file or directory > sh config_h.sh > Extracting config.h (with variable substitutions) > sh writemain.sh > Extracting writemain (with variable substitutions) > sh writemain lib/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a > perlmain.c > cc -nostdinc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../../../../cont= rib/perl5 -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/t= mp/usr/include -c perlmain.c > miniperl /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/../../../../contrib/perl5/confi= gpm Config.pm Porting/Glossary myconfig config.sh > cd lib ; ln -sf ../Config.pm > miniperl -I/usr/obj/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/perl/perl/lib -e 'use AutoSpli= t; autosplit_lib_modules(@ARGV)' lib/*.pm lib/*/*.pm > Can't open perl script "-e": Device not configured > *** Error code 6 > = > Stop. > *** Error code 1 > = > Stop. > [...] > *** Error code 1 > = > Stop. > # = > = > Regards > Oliver > = > -- = > Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany > (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) > = > "In jedem St=FCck Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" > (Terry Pratchett) -- = Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 20:54:11 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu (jaguar.ir.miami.edu [129.171.32.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8BC150C7 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 20:54:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcus@miami.edu) Received: from jaguar.ir.miami.edu ("port 3153"@jaguar.ir.miami.edu [129.171.32.10]) by jaguar.ir.miami.edu (PMDF V5.2-29 #30976) with ESMTP id <0F8X00KHIHLPEO@jaguar.ir.miami.edu> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:53:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 23:53:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Joe \"Marcus\" Clarke" Subject: Re: syslogd "fixes" In-reply-to: <199903210058.SAA15530@rrnet.com> To: Chad Dubuque Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Have you verified that you have a local7 entry in /etc/syslog.conf? Our routers use that facility by default. I have it going at work, and it works fine to my 3.1 box. From my /etc/syslog.conf: local7.info /var/log/ciscosa.log Joe Clarke On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Chad Dubuque wrote: > I have a 2.2.7-RELEASE and a 3.1-RELEASE machine. I'm trying to send the 3.1 > machine syslog messages from a Cisco router. The 2.1.7 machine accepts the > messages fine, but the 3.1 doesn't. I've run "tcpdump" and can see the > messages getting to the machine, but syslogd doesn't seem to like them. I've > run syslogd without any options and with "-a 10.1.1.8:*" to try to get it to > like messages from the Cisco. > > The 3.1 is at 10.1.9.43 -netmask 255.0.0.0, the router is at 10.1.1.1. Am I > missing something obvious, or is there a problem with syslogd now that its > default behaviour is to ignore messages from the outside unless configured > to accept them? > > Thanks (in advance) for the help. > > -- > Chad Dubuque cdubuque@rrnet.com Fargo, N.D. (USA) > Red River Net - Internet Communications http://www.rrnet.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Mar 20 21:16:54 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.dcfinc.com (freebie.dcfinc.com [138.113.5.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD46415061 for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 21:16:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chad@freebie.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freebie.dcfinc.com (8.8.7/8.8.3a) id WAA03583 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:16:33 -0700 (MST) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <199903210516.WAA03583@freebie.dcfinc.com> Subject: make buildworld fails To: stable@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 22:16:32 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: chad@dcfinc.com X-unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is on a 2.2.8-RELEASE system, cvsup'd to RELENG_2_2 freshly today. Make buildworld progresses to about 4/5ths done and then errors with: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= cc -nostdinc -O2 -pipe -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include/readline -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../bfd -DNO_MMALLOC -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/include/. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/bfd/. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/libiberty/. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/config/. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/include -c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/objfiles.c /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/objfiles.c: In function `add_to_objfile_sections': /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/objfiles.c:90: `kernel_debugging' undeclared (first use this function) /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/objfiles.c:90: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gdb/gdb/../../../../contrib/gdb/gdb/objfiles.c:90: for each function it appears in.) *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I removed all of /usr/obj and tried again with the same results. Any ideas? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org chad@anasazi.com larson1@home.net DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message