From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Feb 12 15:20:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B0537B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:20:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from rodney.cnchost.com (rodney.concentric.net [207.155.252.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5870643F3F for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:20:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by rodney.cnchost.com id SAA25721; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:20:39 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.15] Message-ID: <200302122320.SAA25721@rodney.cnchost.com> To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Garrett Wollman , Wes Peters , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syslog.conf syntax change (multiple program/host specifications) In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:12:49 +0100." Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:20:37 -0800 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Rather than repeat all the arguments I'll point you to what > > knowledgeable people like Erik Naggum have to say about XML > > (search comp.lang.lisp on groups.google.com). Naggum used to > > be a strong proponent of SGML until he "saw the light"! A > > couple of recent thread on XML on comp.lang.lisp are worth > > browsing. > > Erik Naggum may be knowledgeable, but he's not what I would call > well-balanced. I wouldn't rely too much on his opinion about anything > if I were you. Are you impugning his sanity? I wonder what your fellow Norwegian would have to say about that:-) And people who spend more than 8 hours a day on FreeBSD are well-balanced? [No, don't answer that!] What I suggested was to look at the arguments Naggum & others have made (and, implicitly, to make up your own mind). Naggum can be quite vitriolic and unreasonable sometimes but pay attention to his technical posts and he actually makes a lot of sense. But not just him. Read the threads. A number of people who have used XML feel the same way about it and their arguments are worth listening to before believing any XML promises. For a while I considered using gnucash. With its help I converted my Quicken data file into gnucash'es XML form. About 6400 transactions (needing 550K in Quicken's QIF format) now need 7.5M of XML. But it is not just the fat. See for yourself just how ugly it is! Here is QIF of one transaction: D11/29' 1 U-36.90 T-36.90 PWhole Foods Market LGroceries ^ Here is XML for the same transaction. 2913d199bca3e6c43b85228899213a4b 2001-11-29 00:00:00 -0800 2002-04-07 16:08:20 -0700 277267000 Whole Foods Market 328f86287462647246e7ce838024d992 n 3690/100 3690/100 ddc3123d65cd99a12efe4820e16c0c71 981232fbcaf55580985ce6e20f6734b6 n -3690/100 -3690/100 588f87861f4538b62734a3b7301bacef Human readable? Riiiight. Can they have done better? Probably. But they didn't. When I saw the above, Frank Zappa's Valley Girl lyrics immedieately came to mind: It's like GRODY... GRODY TO THE MAX I'm sure It's like really nauseating Like BARF OUT GAG ME WITH A SPOON GROSS I am SURE TOTALLY... (alas, it loses its impact in print -- you have to listen to the song) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message