From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 5 16:53:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7097106566C for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:53:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yanegomi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7378FC12 for ; Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so6369835ywp.13 for ; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:53:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:message-id:cc:x-mailer:from:subject:date:to; bh=G+9eUiOcvk0D00voh+rqD4cIe3F6u/LX2U14H94Aj9I=; b=T5XSYl5QjKMBUdYcXulBQ9lZTIRTH6okDXZgBfCdhc84u2ioJoVNmq9p0SI2yuUEI9 93ZRVTifkv9Ar+NQ+OcGY9+PnlRNERBFkpi/NP/1ma1FWOelIgUt//wVvQLlNDWI64Ht X2oJlX/0COO8DxId60dUvS6p07D+50hm4P09c= Received: by 10.50.169.71 with SMTP id ac7mr10964100igc.18.1323103986715; Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:53:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.20.56] (c-24-6-49-154.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [24.6.49.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wo4sm43611710igc.5.2011.12.05.08.53.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:53:04 -0800 (PST) References: <4ED974A2.7080606@FreeBSD.org> <4ED9EA27.8090206@inse.ru> <20111203.140334.74707074.sthaug@nethelp.no> <441usj6oi0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <4EDCE9FE.6080205@orange.fr> In-Reply-To: <4EDCE9FE.6080205@orange.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <06D594A4-2667-4E30-9D99-7072BC7BAFBE@gmail.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) From: Garrett Cooper Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:53:02 -0800 To: Claude Buisson Cc: Tom Evans , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: CVS removal from the base X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 16:53:07 -0000 On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Claude Buisson wrote: > On 12/05/2011 16:28, Tom Evans wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Lowell Gilbert >> wrote: >>> Tom Evans writes: >>>=20 >>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Max Khon wrote: >>>>> CVS !=3D csup. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I wonder how many people will express their sentiments about CVS when >>>>> they really mean cvsup/csup. >>>>=20 >>>> I wasn't going to jump onto this bikeshed, as CVS will not be going >>>> anywhere any time soon, I am sure. >>>>=20 >>>> I use cvs, rather than csup. I use cvsup to fetch CVS archives to >>>> /home/ncvs, and check out ports from there, as described in >>>> development(7). >>>>=20 >>>> If ports were no longer delivered via CVS, you may have had a point >>>> about removing CVS from base - but they are not. >>>=20 >>> Max Khon was the one who posted the original message in the thread. >>> That message explicitly stated that moving ports and doc away from CVS >>> was a prerequisite for removing CVS from base. As far as I've noticed, >>> no one has challenged that. >>>=20 >>> I'm trying to think of a way to fit the previous paragraph into the >>> bikeshed metaphor, but I'm coming up with nothing. >>>=20 >>=20 >> The bikeshed is discussing about how cvs will eventually be removed >> from base when there are known, unsolved, issues that block that >> happening. >>=20 >> Removing CVS will be an emotive issue, there is no need to discuss it >> until appropriate, as every one (like me) will wade in saying that "x >> is good and must stay" and "x is bad and must die", and every colour >> of bike shed in between. Just look at the number of replies to this >> topic. >>=20 >> It would be much better to concentrate on the other issues rather than >> animated discussion of something that cannot realistically happen for >> quite some time yet. >>=20 >=20 > This could have been more clear, and the bikeshed could be stopped soooner= , if > it had been written before in an authoritative form, and by those who are a= t the > start of this "unrealistic proposal". This proposal might have been better for arch for a first pass. I know there= are active efforts in progress by the community to move docs and ports over= to svn, but I'm not sure what the progress is. Thanks, -Garrett