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Date:      02 Apr 2002 14:06:23 -0800
From:      swear@blarg.net (Gary W. Swearingen)
To:        <trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: docs/36457: [PATCH] timed(8)
Message-ID:  <it4rit92n4.rit@localhost.localdomain>
In-Reply-To: <200204020310.g323A2J41698@freefall.freebsd.org>
References:  <200204020310.g323A2J41698@freefall.freebsd.org>

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<trhodes@FreeBSD.ORG> writes:

>  I didn't like the comma ``,'' after ``or others'' as I feel a pause
>  would not be necessary here.  Also, this patch replaces NTP with
>  ntpd(8) which was the original problem.  Gary, if you like this, then
>  I'll get around to committing it for you.

The original problem was mostly the omission of "or" between "timed"
and "NTP", but "NTP" has been changed to "ntpd(1)" and "or others"
has been added to the list.

>   If two or more time daemons, whether
>   .Nm ,
>  -.Tn NTP ,
>  +.Xr ntpd 8 ,
>  +or others
>   try to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result.
>   If both
>   .Nm

The comma DOES belong after "or others" as it properly finishes the
(more-or-less parenthetical) clause beginning with ", whether".  (One
chooses pairs of parentheses or pairs of commas for these cases.)
Otherwise the clause extends to "ntpd(1)," or to "clock," and the
clause-processing mind is left with something that doesn't sound right,
like "If two or more time daemons temporal chaos will result."

On further examination, I guess it'd be better yet without commas
in the short list of three items, so I'd prefer the last of these:

If two or more time daemons, whether timed, or ntpd(1), or others try
to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result.  [wrong]

If two or more time daemons, whether timed, or ntpd(1), or others, try
to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result.  [ok]

If two or more time daemons, whether timed or ntpd(1) or others, try
to adjust the same clock, temporal chaos will result.  [best]

Or use parentheses if you prefer.  Either is OK in this case, IMO.

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