From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 18 17:14:59 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A23106564A for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk) Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6069F8FC16 for ; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:14:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from deb604.localnet ([213.120.21.169]) by avasout03 with smtp id PtBm1j0053et7yD01tBnwY; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 18:11:48 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=Ja0+XD2V c=1 sm=1 a=JoX9MGS57CATpdR8+/GvrA==:17 a=tvFjYeeLK-cA:10 a=OEyAvft_-e4A:10 a=KdljGRtMWWsA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7vtFykjVAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=HzodTvy4lxWwO97VIE0A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=JoX9MGS57CATpdR8+/GvrA==:117 From: Frank Mitchell To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:30:19 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (Linux/2.6.32-5-686; KDE/4.4.5; i686; ; ) References: <4FDBB723.6010205@comcast.net> <823413316ABC49CDB867E054CACD02DB@Notebook2> In-Reply-To: <823413316ABC49CDB867E054CACD02DB@Notebook2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201206171230.19771.mitchell@wyatt672earp.force9.co.uk> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Using FreeBSD - Or Debian kFreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:14:59 -0000 Hi: I started using FreeBSD because I wanted to develop an independent CD/DVD=20 Writing utility. FreeBSD had its ATAPI Interface sorted when Linux was stil= l=20 struggling with the old IDE-SCSI Driver. So I got started using FreeBSD, an= d=20 developed "Spiegel" (the thing with the Wildebeest License, which you'll fi= nd=20 on the Web) and a couple of other utilities. But then the FreeBSD Interface= =20 changed and my programs crashed for reasons which I couldn't understand.=20 Meanwhile Linux got their SG Interface sorted, so I switched to Linux, whic= h=20 then worked better anyway. Another point which may be relevant: I like trying different Unix flavours,= =20 so my habit is always to install new versions from scratch, never upgrading= =2E=20 As a FreeBSD Desktop User I get problems which don't seem to bother other=20 people, and this could be the reason why. Possibly Debian kFreeBSD will=20 resolve these issues when it reaches Production form. Yours truly: Frank Mitchell On Saturday 16 June 2012 03:55:19 Jozef Baum wrote: > I prefer FreeBSD for 4 reasons: >=20 > - FreeBSD has true Unix roots, it's not just a new implementation of Unix, > like Linux. > - FreeBSD is a complete operating system, not just a kernel with third > party utilities, like Linux. > - FreeBSD has a development concept which guarantees a much more > homogeneous quality of the overall system than Linux. > - FreeBSD has a license agreement which offers much more freedom than the > GPL, which applies to Linux. >=20 > However, there is much more documentat=EDon availabe to start with Linux = than > with FreeBSD. >=20 > The problem of FreeBSD is not its technical quality, but the complete lack > of any efficient marketing. >=20 > FreeBSD people seem to think that, because FreeBSD is a superior product, > people will use it. However, society doesn't work this way. >=20 > FreeBSD has to convince users of its benefits they can appreciate (not > extremely technical onces), and to make the transition to FreeBSD as easy > and smooth as possible for them. >=20 > This is definitely not something that can be done by people with a sticker > "Intel inside" on their back, and who take it for granted that newcomers = to > FreeBSD know UNIX. >=20 > At present, FreeBSD positions itself as a system to which Linux user can > switch. >=20 > FreeBSD should position itself as the best product for newcomers to the > UNIX-world. >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------- > Von: "Allen" > Datum: Samstag, 16. Juni 2012 00:28 > An: > Betreff: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? >=20 > > On 5/31/2012 4:58 AM, David Chisnall wrote: > >> Thanks to all who replied, both on and off list. I've attempted to > >> distill the replies that I got into a coherent summary. I've put the > >> draft on the wiki here: > >> http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD > >>=20 > >> Feedback welcome! > >=20 > > I thought it was nice :) I personally have liked the way that both > > FreeBSD and Slackware Linux have handled the Advocacy of the OS compared > > to some others. Not sure why, I just do. > >=20 > > But it's nice to have this as well, because it's one thing to wear a > > FreeBSD tee shirt under a FreeBSD hoodie while wearing FreeBSD Boxers > > and using a Laptop covered in BSD stickers (Yea, I've done this), but > > it's probably easiest when someone asks why you use it, to simply say > > "Well, read this and see if you'd like it too, and it's free so you > > don't have to pay if you don't want to, and you can install it very > > easily, and configure every single aspect of it" > >=20 > > I think we all have our reasons that we use it, and it's nice to see > > them kind of distilled into one place where you can send someone to > > look, or, just see what other people are using it with, and why, and > > what for, and maybe even get new ideas of your own. > >=20 > > For whatever it's worth; GREAT job! > >=20 > > -Allen / gore > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g"