From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 04:58:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25C61065670 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 04:58:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johnl@iecc.com) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5CD8FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 04:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 55032 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2012 04:58:22 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 5 Aug 2012 04:58:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=501dfd6e.xn--hew.k1208; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=Hg+DZ6Rzxh/ImFBTRDeF0H4UEurprGEbXcJVrnhR53Y=; b=H3meVTmNPBGX8Wln0e/Q9f7keLJlF5KmfDJmgNWJpTOLhy6qHeJv2tvko2zsB4n23pmIEd+758oStriKWnUWdatsrZyjNWiBHu847fa59wy9TufUIpf+LHtK2PraqMn2h+VdO4SyyncqPyTMONh3rRNyH6G9/GLtWk5kJR7R5+Y= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 5 Aug 2012 04:58:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: millenia2000@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 04:58:24 -0000 >> Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source >> technologies after the fact? > >The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a >genuine improvement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would >be well within patent law to apply for a patent. The patent office has never been very good at examining software patents, and I have made a lot of money helping companies document the prior art not cited in patents that are being asserted against them. R's, John From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 11:19:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04832106568E for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:19:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BD28FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:19:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75BJlc4021513; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:19:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75BJlh2021510; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:19:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:19:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: James In-Reply-To: <1344109919.55996.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1344109919.55996.YahooMailNeo@web171403.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:19:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Installing details X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:19:57 -0000 > I am absolutely new to FreeBSD and would like a simple 'by the hand' explanation of how to install and use FreeBSD on a Pc. I tried to follow the info from its website but explanations seem too cryptic for me to understand properly. I'd like to try it on a empty partition of my hard drive, alternatively a memory stick/CD/DVD will also do. Appreciating any help. > PS - I am a regular Windows user. > so stick with it if you didn't read handbook and instalation manual which is NOT cryptic. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 11:22:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E78B106566C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:22:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766018FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75BMHTI021536; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:22:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75BMHpc021533; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:22:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:22:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Marco Muskus In-Reply-To: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> Message-ID: References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:22:17 +0200 (CEST) Cc: centos@centos.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:22:23 -0000 > Hi Ashkan, > > I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature > set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS > because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. true. it is consistently slow. REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements. > > Look at L2ARC and ZIL to improve ZFS speed. it's far better to just put manually heavily used things to SSD. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 11:27:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E179106566C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673448FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75BR5Oe021552; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:27:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75BR4X0021549; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:27:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:27:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: ashkab rahmani In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:27:05 +0200 (CEST) Cc: centos@centos.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:27:09 -0000 > i have 16tb storage. 8x2tb sata raided. > i want to share it on network via nfs. > which file system is better for it? > thank you badly imprecise question. you may share any filesystem. Not sure what you want to achieve. No explanation of "raided" - this means nothing without precise description. If you ask what i do commonly then i would do 8 gmirror-based RAID1 volumes, and standard UFS filesystem on each with softupdates (or softupdates+journal). And move as much as possible software directly to machine. Never create another level of indirection (like NFS) when not needed. if you really HAVE to use NFS heavily i strongly recommend using unfsd from ports and patch if to AVOID constant fsync, and make sure UPS is installed. NFS protocol is terrible by design (not by implementation) resulting in all writes being done synchronously. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 11:29:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA8F1065677 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:29:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308068FC14 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75BTq2N021562; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:29:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75BTq51021559; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:29:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:29:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" In-Reply-To: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:29:52 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:29:55 -0000 > are showing me. Read performance OTOH is strange, zpool and systat both > reporting consistently an aggregated read speed of around 120MB/s during > the block read tests (which seems a bit slow for the drives - and indeed > systat reports the drives at less than 50% utilisation) but bonnie is only > reporting 35MB/s, I see similar discrepancies with simple dd block reads > to /dev/null, in which case my stopwatch agrees with dd. no it is not wrong. Do more tests (possibly your own doing heavy mixed workload) to understand well why you should not use this "last word in filesystems". Discover it alone. I told already enough about it but it results in attacks from ZFS (and general "new technology") fanatics. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 11:30:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5B31065686 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3124A8FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75BUcW5021570; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:30:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75BUceF021567; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:30:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:30:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: John Levine In-Reply-To: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> Message-ID: References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:30:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: millenia2000@hotmail.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:30:40 -0000 >> be well within patent law to apply for a patent. > > The patent office has never been very good at examining software > patents, and I have made a lot of money helping companies document the > prior art not cited in patents that are being asserted against them. good there are people that helps. Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 12:49:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B17E1065670 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E92D8FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 08:48:57 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BWX48438; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:57 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 08:48:57 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:49:04 -0000 Wojciech Puchar writes: > Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software. Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the idea gets out there, we should be indifferent as to whether they make money. 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[76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e24sm26610738yhh.4.2012.08.05.06.33.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3WqjcK2q7Rz2CG4F for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm7hw2k8S7X3jnNkZrfI3JhekINn6hSdG6T8DcvZeWzLfjSwBwVdZBFN2fSvksPoH3gtri9 Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:33:26 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: > > > Wojciech Puchar writes: > > > Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software. > > Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end > is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement > is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the > idea gets out there, we should be indifferent as to whether they > make money. I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, sweat and time to some socialist just because they feel they have the right to the hard work of others is repulsive. If a monetary reward were removed from the equation, we would probably still be using an abacus in the dark. While we certainly should be indifferent to the financial incentive and monetary reward someone receives; in all too many cases that is just not so. The socialists still feel they are entitled to something for nothing. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 15:45:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64A8106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:45:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693C18FC15 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 15:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy2wU-0005fR-LG; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:40:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy30p-0005Uk-Ju; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:45:03 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:44:58 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Wojciech Puchar Message-Id: <20120805164458.1c012ac4.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 15:45:18 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > are showing me. Read performance OTOH is strange, zpool and systat both > > reporting consistently an aggregated read speed of around 120MB/s during > > the block read tests (which seems a bit slow for the drives - and indeed > > systat reports the drives at less than 50% utilisation) but bonnie is > > only reporting 35MB/s, I see similar discrepancies with simple dd block > > reads to /dev/null, in which case my stopwatch agrees with dd. > no it is not wrong. > > Do more tests (possibly your own doing heavy mixed workload) to > understand well why you should not use this "last word in filesystems". First surprise, with only 4GB I had set primarycache=metadata, changing that to primarycache=all caused the systat, zpool iostat and bonnie figures all to agree - and made them all a bit better too. Lesson from this - don't bother setting primarycache=metadata. With that puzzle gone testing and tuning becomes more useful: Enabling prefetch made a huge difference to the per char sequential read, but didn't really change anything else. Indeed this test is now CPU limited in bonnie - that'll do. Rebooting with zfs.cache_flush_disable=1 made everything faster. Block writes and reads maxed out the discs at around 110MB/s and 200MB/s respectively - pretty close to the raw disc speed. Rewrite nearly doubled in speed too. Next stop NFS tuning. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 16:25:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E90106566C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:25:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D0C8FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.36]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 12:25:37 -0400 Received: from smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.104]) by mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BWX61294; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:36 -0400 Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 12:25:37 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20510.40571.417415.852536@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:31 -0400 To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr16.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:25:38 -0000 Jerry writes: > I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I > like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, > software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary > reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, > sweat and time to some socialist just because they feel they have > the right to the hard work of others is repulsive. Would you call Jeff Bezos (CEO of Amazon) a socialist? Some years ago, he was giving an interview and was asked "Jeff, Amazon has applied for a patent for the One-Click system. If Amazon had known before it started there was no chance of receiving a patent - would it have created One-Click anyway?" [While I'm paraphasing, the essential content is preserved.] There was a long pause, during which you could tell Bezos understood _precisely_ what the real question was ... ... and (to his credit) answered "Yes." The programmers got paid. Amazon gets paid in the form of more expedient processing and (presumably) more sales due to ease of check-out. Why, as a society, should we deny other innovators the ability to use that technology to develop - hopefully - even better stuff? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 16:29:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D516106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EF838FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17960 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2012 16:29:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 16:29:16 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=h7p30RwXnTU7qGvb9o8aUCx5EmPuU6Efr8KIFmHccTQ=; b=EWrJNGyUqEY3Qsg8H6TNlx/kPSlhbFVAxg9n8klx/CLOAGxzAzXLeDl3LKhKUO0QJYqzb9+w/eTbFVDD1vVQLvm2Zw8ZkVeJaTVz8zsIqiYXscA38IhN6pvJyyaS4sC2; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=63655 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy3hc-0007tr-CF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:29:16 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:29:16 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:29:17 -0000 On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 03:46:53PM -0500, Marco Muskus wrote: > Hi Ashkan, > > I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the > feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first > I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will > gonna be the differentiator. The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me. Do you have some benchmarks for that? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 17:12:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26F2106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from queueout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queueout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447458FC14 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.1]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120805161630.HRNL28961.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:16:30 +0100 Received: from [94.168.171.147] (helo=MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl) by know-smtpout-1.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy3Ur-0001dC-NW for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:16:05 +0100 Received: from MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl ([::1]) by MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl ([::1]) with mapi; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:15:57 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" CC: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Thread-Topic: ZFS bonnie puzzlement Thread-Index: AQHNckU16Tsrfgr0aUKbISzB3cZqPpdLBfOAgABgNvA= Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:15:56 +0000 Message-ID: <14980AB869AD6B47A8803DB297CD219204EA45@MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=OMdUhd4NiskA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=81RNMRTUelyhgcgi78YA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: RE: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:12:45 -0000 Discover it alone. I told already enough about it but it results in attacks= from ZFS (and general "new technology") fanatics. _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman= /listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " If the rest of the world thought like you we would still be trying to inven= t the wheel. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:02:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D82106564A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:02:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B83D8FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75I2tbK094922; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:02:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75I2t2B094919; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:02:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:02:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" In-Reply-To: <20120805164458.1c012ac4.steve@sohara.org> Message-ID: References: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> <20120805164458.1c012ac4.steve@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:02:55 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:02:58 -0000 > First surprise, with only 4GB I had set primarycache=metadata, you mean 4 GIGABYTES of memory is "ONLY"? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:03:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732211065670 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78768FC24 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:03:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75I3ej9094928; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:03:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75I3dPg094925; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:03:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:03:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chad Perrin In-Reply-To: <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> Message-ID: References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:03:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:03:51 -0000 >> I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the >> feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first >> I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will >> gonna be the differentiator. > > The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me. Do is ZFS supposed to be faster at all? really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:04:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579801065674 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42808FC1D for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75I4UPI094937; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:04:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75I4Ugo094934; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:04:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:04:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Graeme Dargie In-Reply-To: <14980AB869AD6B47A8803DB297CD219204EA45@MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl> Message-ID: References: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> <14980AB869AD6B47A8803DB297CD219204EA45@MERCURY.universe.galaxy.lcl> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:04:30 +0200 (CEST) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:04:32 -0000 > > If the rest of the world thought like you we would still be trying to invent the wheel. ??? what wheel. UFS is already invented. For LONG time. And UFS+softupdates works great. much better than new trash From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:15:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912B41065670 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:15:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2964D8FC0C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl8 with SMTP id l8so2328527yen.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=DsJQrXRl5jlHrfkBstqdxteU6y3QngFAdM9Z9MfUWkQ=; b=MpUu0BAVAR3eoz3gbDXTu1UpU+5PSAfCAssY2cLXvLo1ny/s05n1+KIqlV7bFNTL4L yt7QOj+ZLYvLj3oN274siTmpgY9mQKWNwLU/++4jjdst4VAyjEMOG8YAVR6pf84MOWSm 8xrFtJ7taE4N0r2jWaqW83glBOclG5okdIx+w= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=DsJQrXRl5jlHrfkBstqdxteU6y3QngFAdM9Z9MfUWkQ=; b=HPnahOwdxl5m0UFdejavnNHqGaI+JvNuj+nNtS9TO+5jFQrgDWHBzG8h6vjvOkJU5H wfVY8vow9+xstp8R8+eRP1xLD7isbpdqHsgL2yJxQEJwUU8dc8k2swKibrmXrIxFEPJ8 MNfn4W58TsUFgbs3dqTpnlequs9M8JE/8Cr1E/9STB7uU5SIWLoUMNSCw2d55BX8rlAo BsknPB3v7+Cw1G9UImJdMbhWckGkuO/JxCUSwRUj/iGShyoe0MnZDNooSvnXUfSR+mQE f8ZoBhFSfeg1Tksf49ywgD6cADb9wdOsL2cYKW6pVd14v3c1iMieO8qSsE9Ff16G9eD2 Pq6g== Received: by 10.236.76.3 with SMTP id a3mr7560851yhe.86.1344190546112; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm13386357anl.11.2012.08.05.11.15.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:15:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3Wqqt72KGCz2CG4F for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:15:42 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120805141542.2a5125ec@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20510.40571.417415.852536@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20510.40571.417415.852536@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmLj+AWpGOM4Nc5WiZDSYdRKniqp7dbxVtwGOsZ8gYaI02JKJpZB4GHWD0B8q7D+znIRdnX Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:15:47 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:31 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: > Jerry writes: > > > I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I > > like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, > > software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary > > reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, > > sweat and time to some socialist just because they feel they have > > the right to the hard work of others is repulsive. > > Would you call Jeff Bezos (CEO of Amazon) a socialist? > Some years ago, he was giving an interview and was asked > "Jeff, Amazon has applied for a patent for the One-Click system. If > Amazon had known before it started there was no chance of receiving a > patent - would it have created One-Click anyway?" > [While I'm paraphasing, the essential content is preserved.] > There was a long pause, during which you could tell Bezos > understood _precisely_ what the real question was ... > ... and (to his credit) answered "Yes." > > The programmers got paid. > Amazon gets paid in the form of more expedient processing and > (presumably) more sales due to ease of check-out. > Why, as a society, should we deny other innovators the ability > to use that technology to develop - hopefully - even better stuff? You are all over the board here. Nothing ever stops anyone from doing something for nothing. Hell, I have written some small software applications that I never expected to make a dime off. With that said, should I come up with some brilliant idea or killer software applications, I fully intend to protect my rights and make as much off of it as possible. I never stated than anyone should be denied the right to create or write basically whatever they so desire; however, if they are going to piggyback their work on another author or developer's works, then that individual deserves to receive compensation. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:27:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E4F106564A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AED28FC14 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy5U0-0005Nd-Jw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:23:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy5YL-0005Zs-Vh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:27:50 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:27:44 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120805192744.1cd871d9.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20120804142758.0126fded.steve@sohara.org> <20120805164458.1c012ac4.steve@sohara.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:27:47 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:02:54 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > First surprise, with only 4GB I had set primarycache=metadata, > > you mean 4 GIGABYTES of memory is "ONLY"? At less than €30 - yes I think only is reasonable, I'd have bought more but 4GB is all the motherboard would take. I've paid more than that for a *KILOBYTE* of memory - admittedly that was a long time ago. One big part of the changing landscape in computer economics is that RAM and disc are *cheap*. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 18:41:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88784106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EA28FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 18:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BBFA3CB8C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q75Ifc6g001966 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:41:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:41:38 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Webpage screenshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 18:41:40 -0000 I'm searching for a simple way to create a screenshot from a web page, i. e. convert the rendered page into a PNG (or something similar) graphic format. This is intended to be used for usability and design visualization where different components of the web page can be "colored" using Gimp to show their structure by "inking" the different elements. The idea of taking a screenshot from the web browser may look sufficient at first, but it is problematic when the web page doesn't fit horizontally or vertically. This sometimes doesn't even work when using the browser in "total fullscreen" (which is 1400x1050 or 2800x1050 here). Using the browsers "print to PS" functionaliy also add pagination that is not desired, and "continuous form printing" export doesn't exist. How would you suggest to solve this task? CLI utilities are welcome - the less interaction, the better. It doesn't matter if the result is a 800x10000 px image with 300 px white margin left and right. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:34:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28F7106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F0F8FC0A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so597773eaa.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=mP6guUoaSnye1SpPr+rDnYwAMXVJ+W+B0sqqYwCBheg=; b=zzYfOkCdZ1WAJgZ0jYHQO9obeEWCtTfxK2kzaCsq5nE/HryOHt25uVq5YzvmyMsAFn rnM7xF22VJly/bBttFfJttYFcoUOxqLapYIkoQUuW/EDidUakKv6+XSAhNIz8m32tms8 pu4CZY0SlWqKpzZfDVOa6IVbviUjWIiC3tAE+t4s1MLMsdpmjN5PazUa5S+JLlZ4lgbS sYVT1nvnQkS2XU3aUpjy/2eS5a/aE0musO4j9kZdxyf1+CZfBBiuTFgQNzYEU9XbZxuZ qEtYyba1b+shAnpJuXZtELoVFiZ0QG3QVcUQmklIwhq6dhveT4Vk+TKC+iBfke/dy/dT ifmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.179.71 with SMTP id g47mr10062456eem.21.1344195256156; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.127.199 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:34:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:34:15 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: Webpage screenshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:34:23 -0000 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Polytropon wrote: > I'm searching for a simple way to create a screenshot from > a web page, i. e. convert the rendered page into a PNG (or > something similar) graphic format. This is intended to be > used for usability and design visualization where different > components of the web page can be "colored" using Gimp to > show their structure by "inking" the different elements. > > The idea of taking a screenshot from the web browser may > look sufficient at first, but it is problematic when the > web page doesn't fit horizontally or vertically. This > sometimes doesn't even work when using the browser in > "total fullscreen" (which is 1400x1050 or 2800x1050 here). > Using the browsers "print to PS" functionaliy also add > pagination that is not desired, and "continuous form > printing" export doesn't exist. > > How would you suggest to solve this task? CLI utilities > are welcome - the less interaction, the better. It doesn't > matter if the result is a 800x10000 px image with 300 px > white margin left and right. :-) If you're using Firefox, the Fireshot addin does exactly this kind of thing. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:39:09 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3779A106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:39:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7778FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so5982509obb.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:39:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=eMUo6jEGupKU7L2u/vjP2SCnay7qGEV+z8oS4DREgzU=; b=gPyaUq+xYnaYKBHWPAOkCPYc6J6HJ87BDGlmGDSYRLcQEV4tLNc28d8sdcuuWP8T5f jiwt8amSezELA6FdZJEYOqisivvgUW43brXNXAe3XbAMSLp37g/+0gITMrFqIfAJ8fU4 P9xSrrGxcezt4gTXsPMLcsIVtYkRL4IjC93txxtbUdq8ew5jBREFDDi8wcoVxYNA1xCo 0xpRIc61yO7ECnUrvyVniqrfiXRG/22xKREi81ENEvoC3RMHiaSbtczReiY+QGHpxi51 +XeuojqrCi/v8+qmHMZtYS0lPhMkLtyTilx7fD1yQLr9lhZLzTPBigNoc7fcTdrMv0+5 R9WA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.47.196 with SMTP id f4mr3568417ign.21.1344195547381; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.124.41 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.165.156] In-Reply-To: <20120805141542.2a5125ec@scorpio> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20510.40571.417415.852536@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805141542.2a5125ec@scorpio> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:39:07 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnNa9zNa5f3i79y/4q8LHFV34qvkPoDwFxuVSJuZXltUPPE6qv/VtP+auOLY4hCFiCVim4R Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:39:09 -0000 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jerry wrote: > I never stated than anyone should be denied the right to create or write > basically whatever they so desire; however, if they are going to > piggyback their work on another author or developer's works, then that > individual deserves to receive compensation. The point here is that an INDIVIDUAL deserves compensation. Whether some mega corp with a huge portfolio of patents deserves the same is to be questioned. Especially considering that those huge mega corps use those patents to stomp all over the little (programmer) guy and destroy his little livelihood. That's what patents were initially designed to prevent: that some predatory industrial magnate would steal the idea of the little inventor to make a profit, without compensating the inventor for his ideas. Sadly, this principle (protecting the little inventors) has been turned upside-down due to the abysmal performance of the Patent Office examiners who rubber stamping just about every patent application with the words "machinery for ..." in it. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:39:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1650C106566B for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:39:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from avasout08.plus.net (avasout08.plus.net [212.159.14.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636B8FC14 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from curlew.milibyte.co.uk ([84.92.153.232]) by avasout08 with smtp id j7c31j004516WCc017c5gp; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:36:05 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=XsZ4yC59 c=1 sm=1 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:17 a=rLpCYgkgFLgA:10 a=ZTb9aqGL9YkA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=D7rCoLxHAAAA:8 a=FDCqwWuqwzUUJztAH5sA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=lfSX4pPLp9EkufIcToJk/A==:117 Received: from curlew.lan ([192.168.1.13]) by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy6cN-0006bE-BU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 20:36:03 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:36:02 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201208052036.02762.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.1.13 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on curlew.lan X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TW_XL autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk) Subject: Re: Webpage screenshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:39:15 -0000 On Sunday 05 August 2012 19:41:38 Polytropon wrote: > The idea of taking a screenshot from the web browser may > look sufficient at first, but it is problematic when the > web page doesn't fit horizontally or vertically > How would you suggest to solve this task? How about the Pixlr Grabber extension for Firefox. You can specify the entire page, an area defined with the mouse or just the visible area and save the result to a .PNG file or copy it to the clipboard to paste directly into the Gimp. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:46:35 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2D51065673 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@undermydesk.org) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [213.211.198.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF788FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0218A286F26; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:46:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at undermydesk.org Received: from amazone.undermydesk.org ([213.211.198.100]) by amazone.undermydesk.org (amazone.undermydesk.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wb6FgafZD61g; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.74] (p4FCDD009.dip.t-dialin.net [79.205.208.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by amazone.undermydesk.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C2062869B5; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:46:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <501ECD8D.80901@undermydesk.org> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 21:46:21 +0200 From: Frank Reppin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon References: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Webpage screenshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:46:35 -0000 Hi all, On 05.08.2012 20:41, Polytropon wrote: [website to picture cli] google search comes up with http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/ which also provides a download called wkhtmltoimage ... which in turn seems to be what you want. cheers, frank\ -- 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 19:50:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CA9106566C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48B8FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so5998114obb.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:50:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=gM9T5PpeLrT9fICCYl0L1XNl2/+PuMejo+ymicRTe0o=; b=jsyJZTRiQhJ4p7k2lgIBwt9JToXsU5UwzsKl/xyJFKz4UP8HTayWkQq8Y4YBhrnjFu HCwIk4zV0PGTTmOIxCDFYe5s1I8+H8PjoNgAPujqcV6Utpfw5+n69hehFnbqiGlKtz6q l9lGSYjale6hZ/uLXs/SXMAMbWpvKsIumfRNnH/IKipJ2vP1sZnT4mEieftlQ+dVI9Dj XfbO1yWhMovBl7hXTgGJCpDCPEBtyh/N4hrxTIJNc/tQ5Jb44VsY2oCmQTrpEgVusA5F GPxzD8JBmG8y3zbRufnFGWtaN0eQSYED7olLOfvVYGfBJ7JZwAqizFzTzK7dG3/2R4FO ehCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.190.234 with SMTP id gt10mr3558510igc.20.1344196227761; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.124.41 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.165.156] In-Reply-To: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120805204138.abe5c8e7.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:50:27 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmsu9k910l/26oxHdH1oGjJm4KTFetVyZgmcasnznsclQ83xEmHwZEkGX3nEwmq7hOkiJZd Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Webpage screenshot X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:50:29 -0000 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Polytropon wrote: > I'm searching for a simple way to create a screenshot from > a web page, i. e. convert the rendered page into a PNG (or > something similar) graphic format. This is intended to be > used for usability and design visualization where different > components of the web page can be "colored" using Gimp to > show their structure by "inking" the different elements. > > The idea of taking a screenshot from the web browser may > look sufficient at first, but it is problematic when the > web page doesn't fit horizontally or vertically. This > sometimes doesn't even work when using the browser in > "total fullscreen" (which is 1400x1050 or 2800x1050 here). > Using the browsers "print to PS" functionaliy also add > pagination that is not desired, and "continuous form > printing" export doesn't exist. > > How would you suggest to solve this task? CLI utilities > are welcome - the less interaction, the better. It doesn't > matter if the result is a 800x10000 px image with 300 px > white margin left and right. :-) I'm still using xwd(1) to grab a window (using -frame to add the decoration of the window manager) here, and convert it then to .png with the Gimp. Of course, I take care of displaying just the interesting part of the web page that I need by scrolling to the interesting part. If you need a complete snapshot of the page, you may try this: open Firefox with some insane big -geometry settings, perhaps to a big virtual screen in X; and then grab that whole window with xwd(1). I didn't try that, but it may be enough. If your X server won't handle this big a screen, try with a nesting server like x11-servers/xorg-nestserver. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 21:14:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6781065670 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-out02.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAF68FC1A for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-out02.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830671C0B39; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:13:59 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta14.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.119]) by une-avas-out02.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793AC1C04A8; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:13:57 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta14.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C885C00AB; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:13:55 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta14.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta14.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta14.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3mJ-0YQUKU2h; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:13:55 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.251.218.142]) by unevm-pmta14.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D7A2D5C009E; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:13:54 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <501EE212.3090403@une.net.co> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:13:54 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: centos@centos.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 21:14:06 -0000 El 05/08/12 06:22, Wojciech Puchar escribi: >> Hi Ashkan, >> >> I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the >> feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll >> go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be >> the differentiator. > true. it is consistently slow. > > REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements. There is no tale, only a feature set: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features > > >> >> Look at L2ARC and ZIL to improve ZFS speed. > > it's far better to just put manually heavily used things to SSD. > Yes ! That's what actually ZFS do with SSD put the most used elements on it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 21:19:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 770EB1065675 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:19:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-out02.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3221E8FC12 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-out02.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F691C0BED for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:19:07 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta16.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.118]) by une-avas-out02.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4406D1C03FA for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:19:06 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta16.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7D75200AE for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:19:02 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta16.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta16.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta16.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0XCF1Evh1z3q for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:19:02 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.251.218.142]) by unevm-pmta16.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4B31D5200BF for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 16:19:02 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <501EE348.9020609@une.net.co> Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 16:19:04 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 21:19:14 -0000 El 05/08/12 13:03, Wojciech Puchar escribi: >>> I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the >>> feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first >>> I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will >>> gonna be the differentiator. >> >> The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me. Do > > is ZFS supposed to be faster at all? > > really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best. Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use L2ARC/ZIL on SSD. There is no doubt in the benefits of SSD on the fileservers (SMB, NFS,etc.) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 23:10:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843E81065670 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD2A8FC08 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75NAbtI002403; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:10:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75NAaUu002400; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:10:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:10:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Marco Muskus In-Reply-To: <501EE348.9020609@une.net.co> Message-ID: References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> <501EE348.9020609@une.net.co> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:10:37 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:10:41 -0000 >> really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best. > > Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use L2ARC/ZIL > on SSD. if... better just move heavy used things on SSD and rest on HDD. really it's fastest. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 5 23:13:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D475106566C for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:13:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FE68FC15 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q75ND5Tc002424; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:13:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q75ND41Y002421; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:13:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:13:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Marco Muskus In-Reply-To: <501EE212.3090403@une.net.co> Message-ID: References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <501EE212.3090403@une.net.co> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Cc: centos@centos.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:13:11 -0000 >>> with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the >>> differentiator. >> true. it is consistently slow. >> >> REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements. > > There is no tale, only a feature set: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features > And everything everyone writes is always true. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 00:42:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E031D106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942128FC08 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so2421763yhf.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=EbYGWDJzj7kPU3JlIHcgvduhsoZOG7vAGp2IYt8cI+0=; b=f/R39ETwnrgIp+hLG9b2nOq2huxgZUOylgqkPEyHX8vK/fPv5RKtZkwF/eravvLgXk gHLY1ZKrx8kIhM7lSAclc2oDYsVW+W5m75iVUoIxhkBSb8QZPUQ0qQSvsccYEKrzVaRE dvx2wjexf11/0dq+JW0AKicUAwfMBawE+bTqB0RjtGWqzONTRdK6Z/chj11v8npUcmKR htTbvzFlW0BeeqWTDDlV6eVSNqwdXzIIKP3ypbooFUJfaj9NccLETklzxgTOvKi2Vm0Q oh6zXGa4tSoQ0tLxhOEIFm/Yp/0r4e8DEwlg1KLqVnT8Uj545S/BpHv5Ka9TLfEi398k esOw== Received: by 10.100.236.39 with SMTP id j39mr2597578anh.35.1344213758015; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi ([187.113.166.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm14034748ani.22.2012.08.05.17.42.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 05 Aug 2012 17:42:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> In-Reply-To: <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlKo3guWwUgAhl/wGDGYHlsD7ZjFCf2gFih8mQqY29bIlCk7txeTJO8DNY6J67WFJDLBfR8 Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 00:42:45 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 > Robert Huff articulated: > [Snip] > The socialists still feel they are entitled to something > for nothing. > Jerry; Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence describes is just plain good old greedy people. Patents provided the perfect LEGAL way for these very people to make theirs, an idea that they didn't think of or had the gift/talent to create, as a quickie for profit. The result: Now the long patent arm reaches fruit, seeds and DNA. This means that I can't "create" a Graviola juice drink (local Brazilian fruit) because a Japanese guy patented the fruit !! How ridiculous did we allowed this to get? On a final note, if your sentence were to reflect a little better the idea of socialism (at least on paper), it should read: "The socialists still feel that everybody is entitled to something for nothing." Unfortunately today, socialism, democracy, communism or liberalism are mere skins for hungry wolves. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 01:21:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F004C106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "") Received: from remailer.privacy.at (remailer.privacy.at [212.124.141.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A519B8FC0A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by remailer.privacy.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AC07F4EA for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:05:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address above. It was remailed automatically by anonymizing remailer software. Please report problems or inappropriate use to the remailer administrator at . To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, mailing@remailer.privacy.at, list@remailer.privacy.at In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:05:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:21:01 -0000 > >> I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS This is not up for discussion. > but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. Too many iPads, iPhones, etc? > For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk If not spelling, or grammar... > and speed will gonna be the differentiator. A high-school education may well have been the differentiator, but that's not important right now. Journaling filesystems are not known for speed. EXT2 will probably outperform ZFS as far as NFS servers go. -- Speed "Will" Gonna Be The Differentiator From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 02:51:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD17106566B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 02:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21598FC12 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 02:51:44 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AloFAFcuH1C9qmWx/2dsb2JhbABFt0CBe4Noih0CmiSgLhSPHoMcA4hNnQiCfw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,717,1336366800"; d="scan'208";a="78548626" Received: from nlpiport02.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.117]) by nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 21:46:31 -0500 Received: from dsl-189-170-101-177-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena) ([189.170.101.177]) by nlpiport02.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 05 Aug 2012 21:46:30 -0500 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:46:30 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201208051946.30195.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Subject: questions on the use of moused for Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 02:51:44 -0000 when you must use the parameter -z of moused? I had an Apple Mighty Mouse and I would like to use the track ball (the wheel part) The driver UMS detects the Z Axis and the Wheel [XYZW] ums0: on usbus1 ums0: 4 buttons and [XYZW] coordinates ID=0 When I run this command /usr/sbin/moused -f -d -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid moused reports movements in XYZ (dx dy dz) but not W (dz?), in Xorg the scroll (vertical) works OK (xev reports events for button 4 and 5), but no horizontal (xev doesn't report anything) When I run this command /usr/sbin/moused -f -d -z 4 5 6 7 -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I /var/run/moused.ums0.pid moused reports movements in XY (dx dy) but not ZW (dz), for Z now reports buttons 4 and 5 pressed, in Xorg the scroll (vertical) does not work (xev reports events for button 8 and 9), and no horizontal (xev doesn't report anything) Here is the mouse part of my x11-input.fdi file SysMouse Off 8 But in Xorg.0.log I see conflicts with the configuration, the lines that begin with "(**) Apple Optical USB Mouse:", where they come from? (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) (II) config/hal: Adding input device Apple Optical USB Mouse (II) LoadModule: "mouse" (II) Loading /usr/local/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so (II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation" compiled for 1.7.5, module version = 1.5.0 Module class: X.Org XInput Driver ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 7.0 (**) Option "Protocol" "SysMouse" (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: Device: "/dev/sysmouse" (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: Protocol: "SysMouse" (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: always reports core events (**) Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" (**) Option "BaudRate" "1200" (**) Option "StopBits" "2" (**) Option "DataBits" "8" (**) Option "Parity" "None" (**) Option "Vmin" "1" (**) Option "Vtime" "0" (**) Option "FlowControl" "None" (**) Option "Buttons" "8" (**) Option "Emulate3Buttons" "Off" (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: Buttons: 12 (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: Sensitivity: 1 (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: BaudRate: 1200 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Apple Optical USB Mouse" (type: MOUSE) (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: (accel) keeping acceleration scheme 1 (**) Apple Optical USB Mouse: (accel) acceleration profile 0 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 03:12:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F50B106566B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:12:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD298FC15 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:12:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Wr3bl02vpz1Pg for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:03:41 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <11371F4DFBDB053D59EE49C2@[192.168.1.50]> In-Reply-To: <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:12:38 -0000 --As of August 5, 2012 10:29:16 AM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: >> I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the >> feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first >> I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will >> gonna be the differentiator. > > The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me. Do > you have some benchmarks for that? --As for the rest, it is mine. Particularly in this use-case: From my reading ZFS has a performance hit when used as a base filesystem for NFS. (Largely because it insists on *actually following* the NFS spec, and not taking some shortcuts that are common elsewhere...) Not that I have tested that, even on my NFS server. (Which runs ZFS - there are other excellent reasons to use it, and speed isn't a major concern for that particular box.) Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:12:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2725C1065674 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from navarre.matthew@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F07DE8FC08 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so746943pbb.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:12:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q+v0g8itzpXU3Gt4/tdgFbsVhsalsIWrresQhretDTU=; b=jBcGL4w9yUbz1HJzNfM/s5FcbyY6rI5WkUSNx/KIu5pPG0fLm2kLvZmDLVcczAMgTy 9S6Q9Y8YVfjX+AhNJ+tfqy6aNKTS9aPMJamSWNxG8nY/8fuDI9LRW7teTySiWIjyhG7J VO0PiLl1HBwr6AUDffVqJvNHy301x6N70z7cGp1ayOZZF2+HGOcP3G1spenTnbwoIEku UgiYM6S2cs3bgWbH9eA6MwXdAn/g+e6sF+1Dy5Kio5eNmvoEdfoaLvef2XXXucOCqHRq YOUCyT5QqUZwYmkVKeH/W9ENW0iuVicRG323I/eQKS84zPc7v/eK0hO/Vf7QvFIPCMwb o4BA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.238.68 with SMTP id vi4mr16328000pbc.123.1344233568122; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.52.197 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:12:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matthew Navarre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:12:49 -0000 HI, I had a drive fail recently, it was working fine until I rebooted. After that the partition map was corrupt and I can't mount either partition on the disk. So I made a copy of the whole disk using dd to an old USB drive. There were several IO errors while dd was copying the disk, so I think the disk is starting to go. I can probably fix the partition table using testdisk, but now that I've got this image file I'd rather work with that instead of the physical disk. I've read the Handbook section on using mdconfig, but that assumes the image file is of a filesystem, not a whole disk. I think I've found instructions for how to do it on linux, but if there's a way to mount it on FreeBSD I'd rather do that. So, any suggestions? Here's what file says about the file: mnavarre@pcbsd-1810] /# file /mnt/ada1_backup /mnt/ada1_backup: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xa5, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 167766732 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xa5, starthead 254, startsector 167766795, 144809910 sectors, code offset 0x3c, BSD disklabel And just for grins, what fdisk says about the actual disk: mnavarre@pcbsd-1810] /# fdisk ada1 ******* Working on device /dev/ada1 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=310098 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=310098 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 167766732 (81917 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 167766795, size 144809910 (70707 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: Thanks, Matt Navarre From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 06:28:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4F2106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9958FC0A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 06:28:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so1033470wib.13 for ; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:28:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=W7y9NQGuAgezdo/HOyDotdKpBTVc7u6+UdWjdPni/NI=; b=CnaDxGigyfoH7Yg5ZjYsh1WE42uU7SbDJxYSPmnaai5yNMBYXjAPDZWhF4Oh1rEhsp T8jN7uLv1Ks10UK9UB5NvSgHod9JbzSYaNNOztSNHOmHcQdQ+KSLBz1yVhtU9CsUxxa7 EZOsU6R405cLsqv1ttknxtrJqBLu7HC6vKrXwyQAFQMBzdF/UsECzQ25EvsTt7tZ8lDH srXv04HuQFDdzOkciddfmYLuESKb1PFstrX4YwEUiEkg+kVJG8VAk0VbrB8FUn99gk9o er0E5u1POzfKWdH7htsdsuFvpN4ZGTjj9BBhs85XMvH6jy2J/0EVdapxJv9Hb1PMNfb6 OcVA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.217.0.75 with SMTP id k53mr4837802wes.214.1344234525268; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 23:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.171.71 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:28:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:28:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Matthew Navarre X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkf9RfmBGLz7WWAZSx7qx/JvRYeSwjlWShoUWmXCBR1HEzK1INTWcQUpuH8JfC6zT69k5H8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:28:52 -0000 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Matthew Navarre wrote: > I had a drive fail recently, it was working fine until I rebooted. After > that the partition map was corrupt and I can't mount either partition on > the disk. So I made a copy of the whole disk using dd to an old USB drive. > There were several IO errors while dd was copying the disk, so I think the > disk is starting to go. > > I can probably fix the partition table using testdisk, but now that I've > got this image file I'd rather work with that instead of the physical disk. > I've read the Handbook section on using mdconfig, but that assumes the > image file is of a filesystem, not a whole disk. I think I've > found instructions for how to do it on linux, but if there's a way to mount > it on FreeBSD I'd rather do that. > > So, any suggestions? > > Here's what file says about the file: > mnavarre@pcbsd-1810] /# file /mnt/ada1_backup > /mnt/ada1_backup: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xa5, active, starthead > 1, startsector 63, 167766732 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xa5, starthead 254, > startsector 167766795, 144809910 sectors, code offset 0x3c, BSD disklabel > > Why did you put it in /mnt? That's customarily used for mounting fileystems. Move it ;-) mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /new-path/ada1_backup note the device that's created (probably md0) you can then operate on /dev/md0 as if it were a disk. In particular, you might want to fix the partition map, the label info, etc. You can then fsck the filesystem (presumably something like /dev/md0s1a or /dev/md0a etc). You'll probably need to tell fsck that it's ufs (i.e. fsck -t ufs /dev/md0a ) you can then mount the fs (mount -t ufs /dev/md0a /mnt ) - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 07:09:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A0C10657CF for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:09:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398B58FC08 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:09:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8978E24706; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:08:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7678wsK001931; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:08:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:08:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Matthew Navarre Message-Id: <20120806090858.29dd77dd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:09:05 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:12:48 -0700, Matthew Navarre wrote: > I can probably fix the partition table using testdisk, but now that I've > got this image file I'd rather work with that instead of the physical disk. > I've read the Handbook section on using mdconfig, but that assumes the > image file is of a filesystem, not a whole disk. I think I've > found instructions for how to do it on linux, but if there's a way to mount > it on FreeBSD I'd rather do that. It depends on _what_ your disk image (typically created by a dd-like utility to make a 1:1 copy of a whole disk) contains. If there are several slices and partitions, each of them can be accessed like it was a physical disk. Let's assume you have /home/you/ada1.dd which is the copy of your former /dev/ada1 disk. You do: # mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 0 -f /home/you/ada1.dd This results in a file /dev/md0 as well as any "partitional qualifier specials" that might correspond to the disk the copy has been taken from. You can check that with # fdisk /dev/md0 and it should print the same partition table as for the real disk. Now you can access and mount from that disk image, e. g. # mount -t ufs -o ro /dev/md0s1a /mnt as this maybe is the root file system of the 1st slice. Note the use of "-o ro" in this case. If you have had partitioned your system, you can "add" those partitions into a fully accessible /mnt tree for that system disk, e. g. # mount -t ufs -o ro /dev/md0s1d /mnt/tmp # mount -t ufs -o ro /dev/md0s1e /mnt/var # mount -t ufs -o ro /dev/md0s1f /mnt/usr # mount -t ufs -o ro /dev/md0s1g /mnt/home Note that unmounting must happen in the reversed order. If there was another file system, e. g. for sharing with "Windows" stuff, it's also possible to mount it: # mount -t msdosfs -o ro /dev/md0s2 /mnt/win Of course you can access all slices and partitions independently. That should be the best approach for recovering data. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 07:09:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA6610657C0 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:09:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@d2ux.net) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net (h1907788.stratoserver.net [85.214.252.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C1A8FC1A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E2A39EEB89 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from h1907788.stratoserver.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (h1907788.stratoserver.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcV6X86iYijO for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from compaq (p579D2CFB.dip.t-dialin.net [87.157.44.251]) by h1907788.stratoserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E849F39EEB8A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:09:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:10:19 +0200 From: Matthias Petermann To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120806091019.223a0962.matthias@d2ux.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.2 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Introducing new ports - best practises X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:09:38 -0000 Hello, at the moment I am working on porting the Tryton business solution and later GNU Health is planned. Tryton is made up of small modules (Python Eggs), each of them providing data models and business logic for a particular business domain - e.g. product management, invoicing, crm, sales... . The modules depend on each other in some ways. What is the proposed way to get this modules into the Ports Collection? Should I submit a PR for each single module or it is reasonable to create one PR for a bunch of new ports of the same category when they belong logically together? Thanks, Matthias -- Matthias Petermann From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 07:21:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5D6106566B for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from navarre.matthew@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9C38FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so836200pbb.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 00:21:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pVcCBlQSGhK0lTjm48/ebcoAwPAEePXYEu5oaZdzphM=; b=h3aqIo8s7+EEorRFg+p7Y3h3eGus6KSth5w+mdPoH4WkKIuTZ4eAo1wJS5xQGRT5ec iHNrSV/eBFDS7vxzd+S0Sc7g/9iN7giiI66AN3AG4fIWEEFn0ub5YxzCXcYCN5gVFsov 7sWF7WVoCjhTO3QCGSQglbXTUVuwww/MMENb4D3lEcmlbmFAqr5U1UsvJwW0mrZSf+h5 /YTcDUspIbAysnVp0GMArzUkvWcdkfhfOEQZg/D8GNFuJjemrdR9d0QaXFBYnbks1QdR 6TWqjT8CtEeRfI7Sc/GpBlzrHklnq2ALKRn4iIkWM+roVjWs5sEKv5uHDGtnd+2lTRbH Q1Og== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.231.168 with SMTP id th8mr17041435pbc.14.1344237692143; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 00:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.52.197 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:21:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 00:21:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matthew Navarre To: Michael Sierchio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:21:32 -0000 On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Michael Sierchio wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Matthew Navarre < > navarre.matthew@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> >> Here's what file says about the file: >> mnavarre@pcbsd-1810] /# file /mnt/ada1_backup >> /mnt/ada1_backup: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xa5, active, starthead >> 1, startsector 63, 167766732 sectors; partition 2: ID=0xa5, starthead 254, >> startsector 167766795, 144809910 sectors, code offset 0x3c, BSD disklabel >> >> > Why did you put it in /mnt? That's customarily used for mounting > fileystems. Move it ;-) > Heh, the BSD drive with the backup file in on /mnt, the mdconfig node is md1. > > mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /new-path/ada1_backup > > note the device that's created (probably md0) > > you can then operate on /dev/md0 as if it were a disk. In particular, you > might want to fix the partition map, the label info, etc. You can then > fsck the filesystem (presumably something like /dev/md0s1a or /dev/md0a > etc). > > You'll probably need to tell fsck that it's ufs (i.e. fsck -t ufs > /dev/md0a ) > > you can then mount the fs (mount -t ufs /dev/md0a /mnt ) > Thanks, didn't realize that I could use that device node to operate on it like a block device. Of course, the fact that mdconfig makes the system think a file is a block device should have been a clue ;) Now I just need to get the partitions and disklabel figured out. > > - M > OK, MCN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 07:34:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F291065677 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE70D8FC0A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 07:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5-x) with ESMTP id q767YAmf019935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:34:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q767YAmf019935 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1344238456; bh=Pzm0zlP0ztY7eZbYEjymVjD1etvyAKR+tETmK9XQWOg=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=gDA196XAD+cArT2ZA4slw4zITUJ39hMJmX4ZlfwxWb38b4vp3AcWeM2gcWOXF7ec/ 3+3A8gfUVA1zcLQIxSpr6lr6Y7W8AULQttzu/bxrIa34m2bYtVekIL2Zj+WU9ENl3+ EKCpIMcdHqAT8J13VPWeiXMO0CDP4HlRXQg4/8BM= Message-ID: <501F736A.10205@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:34:02 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Petermann References: <20120806091019.223a0962.matthias@d2ux.net> In-Reply-To: <20120806091019.223a0962.matthias@d2ux.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDB3E9F4B6BDF9B439FC3A779" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Introducing new ports - best practises X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 07:34:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDB3E9F4B6BDF9B439FC3A779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/08/2012 08:10, Matthias Petermann wrote: > at the moment I am working on porting the Tryton business solution > and later GNU Health is planned. >=20 > Tryton is made up of small modules (Python Eggs), each of them > providing data models and business logic for a particular business > domain - e.g. product management, invoicing, crm, sales... . The module= s > depend on each other in some ways. >=20 > What is the proposed way to get this modules into the Ports > Collection? Should I submit a PR for each single module or it is > reasonable to create one PR for a bunch of new ports of the same > category when they belong logically together? First of all, this is prime material for the freebsd-ports@freebsd.org list, where you'll get an audience of most of the people that work on such things in FreeBSD. I'd also like to point you at #bsdports on the EFNet IRC network: if you want your work to be reviewed before you submit it, or are just looking for some quick answers to any questions you may have, that's a good place to ask. To answer the question: historically the rule of thumb has been one PR for each new port, and note in the body of the PR any dependencies on other PRs. Putting several ports into one PR is not a complete no-no, but usually you'ld need some special justification. Something like a pair od ports with a master-slave relationship perhaps. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigDB3E9F4B6BDF9B439FC3A779 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAfc3IACgkQ8Mjk52CukIzjAgCfQJCsqQSHwN8mW2W4UbDXOnGh TQgAnjke87mC3yDVOal4av0aMfHI+edd =/snt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigDB3E9F4B6BDF9B439FC3A779-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 08:16:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50602106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yoanna.savova@cloudsigma.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051BB8FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so1245544vbm.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=k2qgH2SFLgO+Pce8F4EFhGYoerF9T9gPiwyfz3ZcHcg=; b=m6owhdAf7c4YI6nFbZ1CciUWbpoqgJQxXP2te4nc7IjHd5HalEbl+ZSDq8w8j9Xv7C 2uLM5fzZ82c3XzkgCeTyX1SYPkIfDC6LUeHMzFtFTEr/aHuOTHafBE77TrT2MsPTKsbN Vaai/cwr+NlIP/1duDjZn/vcqu7WHC6FhH/2wZTBDF4Rn6AX+EGjfaWrc+f8WZrq8nex paJCquroL6HcS4bHIX3htR2SxUteaxLYprWCy22UJ7sCFQA+n3rBIMfflgNeyMxehxrZ i1Z6n2sHDnlFHVw9HQyLxZnlMoAmxWGJZgBJgqNa4nCoVelE1xjhnLArdYdTEiN+NPhp GeYg== Received: by 10.58.114.164 with SMTP id jh4mr7523541veb.17.1344240988910; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:16:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.59.1.99 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Yoanna Savova Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:15:48 +0300 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlx0OyjYVHoPio3LN+N6OUCoSJtoti41nz6xdWV4a22IUmd0bBXV/Nq98hYlxPHrX2xgEFQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Partnership query X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:16:30 -0000 Dear FreeBSD team, By way of brief introduction, my name is Yoanna Savova, part of the CloudSigma team. 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Fo= r further information, please refer to www.cloudsigma.com . =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 08:55:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA43106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:55:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from navarre.matthew@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8E58FC0A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr13 with SMTP id r13so511722ghr.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:55:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=M+DTvE3I/UslXEiJgeE8mwMjRuggj70LFv1iHEuwScA=; b=oi9G+5nnBZN0WrANkVe+7tF1BANSMnmW4bEVv0tpdhbbF8I5syVY3i4Vr/fwR4RuGv U+FVkgfuAAcqTuq9rn2CTNlEPMinN1UvDm5E7Ix+3CJjo/iatw70m6VIsG35GNO+4tRJ 35wdOZQgU+0lvOOAOt/CbAjdltX7HRBPJZutXc7SJuteuUb3a1GscK61Dzy3M2jiwsij RSudY/q+YAM4TkSp2z+TJitJ0Bgvz6sWUAs0klO5hPiyePNMMWinms8qVx4jPCTwIdzh 90crwufLKCvC7VKv9oaygNADUKK83zxVqX9LuSCJth1JvcSq+Cbh4hK0ARhNw3yc0hsI g+XA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.75.228 with SMTP id f4mr16639225paw.52.1344243316521; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.52.197 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:55:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120806090858.29dd77dd.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120806090858.29dd77dd.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 01:55:16 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matthew Navarre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:55:18 -0000 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 23:12:48 -0700, Matthew Navarre wrote: > > I can probably fix the partition table using testdisk, but now that I've > > got this image file I'd rather work with that instead of the physical > disk. > > I've read the Handbook section on using mdconfig, but that assumes the > > image file is of a filesystem, not a whole disk. I think I've > > found instructions for how to do it on linux, but if there's a way to > mount > > it on FreeBSD I'd rather do that. > > It depends on _what_ your disk image (typically created by a > dd-like utility to make a 1:1 copy of a whole disk) contains. > If there are several slices and partitions, each of them can > be accessed like it was a physical disk. > > Let's assume you have /home/you/ada1.dd which is the copy of > your former /dev/ada1 disk. You do: > > # mdconfig -a -t vnode -u 0 -f /home/you/ada1.dd > > This results in a file /dev/md0 as well as any "partitional > qualifier specials" that might correspond to the disk the copy > has been taken from. You can check that with > Yep. Unfortunately the partition table and disklable are screwed, so md1s(1,2) don't appear in dev. Same with ada1, which is the physical disk. The drive has two primary partitions, both of which had a single UFS file system on them. So now I just need to figure out how to fix the partition table and the disklabel and I should be golden getting the data out. That drive is getting replaced, though. > # fdisk /dev/md0 > > and it should print the same partition table as for the real > disk. > here's the fdisk output for /dev/ada1, which is the real drive: mnavarre@pcbsd-1810] /# fdisk ada1 ******* Working on device /dev/ada1 ******* parameters extracted from in-core disklabel are: cylinders=310098 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl) Figures below won't work with BIOS for partitions not in cyl 1 parameters to be used for BIOS calculations are: cylinders=310098 heads=16 sectors/track=63 (1008 blks/cyl) Media sector size is 512 Warning: BIOS sector numbering starts with sector 1 Information from DOS bootblock is: The data for partition 1 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 63, size 167766732 (81917 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 0/ head 1/ sector 1; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 2 is: sysid 165 (0xa5),(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 167766795, size 144809910 (70707 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 The data for partition 3 is: The data for partition 4 is: Now, the first partition looks sane (size is right, geometry looks right). The second partition, however, looks a bit wrong, since it ends before it starts, but the size is right. And now I've gone and screwed up the disk image file. So, it's math and manpages from here. OK, MCN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 09:35:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA1DD106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:35:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFBF8FC16 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5-x) with ESMTP id q769ZCkV021925 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:35:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q769ZCkV021925 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q769ZCkV021925; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <501F8FC8.3020604@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:35:04 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoanna Savova References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9249E1FDDA853D0712AA2483" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Partnership query X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:35:18 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9249E1FDDA853D0712AA2483 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/08/2012 09:15, Yoanna Savova wrote: > By way of brief introduction, my name is Yoanna Savova, part of the > CloudSigma team. We are interested in becoming your partners. We see th= ere > are many hardware and software vendors enlisted on your site who offer = a > FreeBSD product. > Hence, I am interested to fin out how we can do this. Shall we have a c= all > this week? Hi, Yoanna, Thank you very much for your interest in FreeBSD. I think it would make an excellent addition to your cloud server OS offering. However, one thing that might not be immediately obvious: the FreeBSD organization is not a commercial entity. We're a bunch of volunteers who build and maintain this operating system in our spare time. "Partnering" as such doesn't really fit with the way we work. Of course, you are very welcome to *use* FreeBSD and offer it as an option on your website. You can just do that without needing to ask anyone. Should you, or your technical team need any assistance with that, then feel free to ask on this or any of the more specific mailing lists or IRC channels: it's free, and you will generally get a pretty fast and accurate response, but that cannot be guaranteed contractually. If you do make FreeBSD part of your portfolio, then of course the project will be glad to add links to your company site on the Hardware and Software Vendors pages. As it says on the site, simply fill out this PR form: http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html with a HTML format paragraph of text describing your FreeBSD related services in the description field, set the category to 'www' and class to 'change-request', and add appropriate contact details. (Most of the other fields in that form can be left empty as they are irrelevant to your particular request.) The website should be updated with your details in due course. About the closest thing there is to a company supporting FreeBSD at the moment is the FreeBSD Foundation: it would probably be worth your while enquiring with them about how your company can benefit from supporting and being seen to support the FreeBSD project. http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/contact.shtml Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig9249E1FDDA853D0712AA2483 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAfj88ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyqcgCeMbs767m0q9iqNrEBb4714g9i zP0An0DG2E9swsQsOiRkizogkqVy2eWO =CZGQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9249E1FDDA853D0712AA2483-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 09:55:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0773106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:55:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275938FC0A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q769tpbi004483; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:55:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q769tpsS004480; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:55:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:55:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Navarre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:55:52 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 09:55:56 -0000 > I had a drive fail recently, it was working fine until I rebooted. After > that the partition map was corrupt and I can't mount either partition on > the disk. So I made a copy of the whole disk using dd to an old USB drive. > There were several IO errors while dd was copying the disk, so I think the > disk is starting to go. did you use conv=sync,noerror. if not your backup is quite corrupted if errors were uncorrectable. > > So, any suggestions? > repair partition table, use mdconfig and then you will get /dev/md0 /dev/md0s1... as with real drive From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 10:23:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A174C106564A; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:23:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from naylor.b.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f178.google.com (mail-wi0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8FD8FC12; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhr14 with SMTP id hr14so1167837wib.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:23:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=L2/WIZY1wfkmpVWnAoZ7e4fDhn1nJHh5bq118AH8SBs=; b=QUKC4K4a7cuTBpEpz4ZhcyJYgyGxWPh0rkl4qeuNrwSOSb9CD9+KoRs1TuTmA9hPLv jbrx+pMGHTFIG5iQ6xCs5/+Y8DyV09V+Kizm3IQ8FZCaektjlOfNN9cAH1NwOtJF2BxU tydQQ2RKfR6c5F53bxf++CbxCVgraDEMJ2JcEEJEJmHBZIJVRwxCf6zQ4Lq3PQeFRVh6 TgKmq7TIMUpfSvjDXlB0ZDjdzi3Cwjjg3KI1XdRlqLsLdfAF1sUVC2QEsJ4XTS4kkDRN pFnZAXp3c+hwFK2GA7Lwfu766xA+O2yPnpHWriJX3O9BQtgD4a8v7KW598kPggQbbb0v 7mwQ== Received: by 10.180.89.235 with SMTP id br11mr17210010wib.3.1344248581518; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.dg (41-132-210-104.dsl.mweb.co.za. [41.132.210.104]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cl8sm14866261wib.10.2012.08.06.03.22.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: David Naylor To: freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd org" Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:22:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/9.1-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.8.4; amd64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2169877.SYToibqoz2"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201208061222.55927.naylor.b.david@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: Wine-fbsd64 updated to 1.5.10 (32bit Wine for 64bit FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:23:03 -0000 --nextPart2169877.SYToibqoz2 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Packages [1] for wine-fbsd64-1.5.10 have been uploaded to mediafire [2]. T= he=20 packages for FreeBSD 10 use the pkgng [3] format. =20 There are many reports that wine does not work with a clang compiled world (help in fixing this problem is appreciated as it affects quite a few users= ). The patch [4] for nVidia users is now included in the package and is run on installation (if the relevant files are accessible). Please read the installation messages for further information. Regards, David [1] MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd8/wine-fbsd64-1.5.10,1.tbz) =3D=20 cb4bf5e3247ae60e5869241b6db80edf MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd9/wine-fbsd64-1.5.10,1.txz) =3D=20 bbe24a80cb14c4a0c0acf3f259298137 MD5 (wine-1.5.x-freebsd10/wine-fbsd64-1.5.10,1.txz) =3D=20 76f0832e95c107cb1d4ac1eacacb2d6a [2] http://www.mediafire.com/wine_fbsd64 [3] http://wiki.freebsd.org/pkgng [4] The patch is located at /usr/local/share/wine/patch-nvidia.sh --nextPart2169877.SYToibqoz2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAlAfmv8ACgkQUaaFgP9pFrL4tACdGbjAsbHx3gRcZu0XU1h/qqJc kSAAn03KukG/6Etm9oy7gtJ7yP8qQRdE =j3oj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2169877.SYToibqoz2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 10:37:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985AB106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from navarre.matthew@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3888FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so1097139pbb.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:37:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=nLqWqljxcFC9rG4O4jnClUOguMRbvLqqNCjaOB8C01o=; b=DyU5uEXtTaO8EFr/9mrIxQoKh/0OIMw3qMWGiEwbe2fJ0/ePLIsFQh5EsW5+9buA7M K1wc5ZgSfhbHKmT39gioTdcqffHuomKTW7jiThhvZDjhFWaypP9P4fVB2mQajXE/FmL7 EEJIa9PJQgzQaNm0Mi1fYNTcrxTNpKDQ6nd8OYCOvmOBSIf9wxC+VGlpitO7neRlPjXk /Le4rzVILiKw/ddCLapa9p+tGGjF37CvL6O0SFTklbDtk+MZlY9ZZoiem84diF3FYayD mRp1JAl6wxNioOSPEdQ50V/4k0Wf6C9aszL8v3zpVY8/nxJOqs+2BZ1ekyaYVZ4dsaab fHDA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.217.100 with SMTP id ox4mr17832338pbc.87.1344249465661; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 03:37:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.52.197 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:37:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 03:37:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Matthew Navarre To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Mounting raw disk backup file. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 10:37:46 -0000 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:55 AM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > I had a drive fail recently, it was working fine until I rebooted. After >> that the partition map was corrupt and I can't mount either partition on >> the disk. So I made a copy of the whole disk using dd to an old USB drive. >> There were several IO errors while dd was copying the disk, so I think the >> disk is starting to go. >> > > did you use conv=sync,noerror. > > if not your backup is quite corrupted if errors were uncorrectable. > Yep, did that, so I'll lose some data, but that partition is mostly media and some old MacOS (7/8/9) software, so it'd suck to lose it but wouldn't be catastrophic. The first partition on the disk is more important. The ironic thing is that the drives I was going to transfer this data onto and the external hard drive that was going to be hold the backups are on their way. Murphy strikes when you least expect it. > >> So, any suggestions? >> >> > repair partition table, use mdconfig and then you will get > > /dev/md0 > /dev/md0s1... > > as with real drive > Yep, it's currently the whole "repair partition table" bit that's giving me problems. Unfortunately, PC disk geometry is not my forte. I'm hoping I can find my log book from the system this drive was transfered from, which should have both the partition map and the alternate superblocks written down. My wife probably put it somewhere "safe" ;) OK, MCN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 08:28:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BD21065680 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwhytcross@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130DC8FC1D for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so925997pbb.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:28:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:reply-to:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=JPpVW8aq4diThEj9yA2peACoByux706xqJATtC2QbxA=; b=ypSdA/2fCEsASLVJRbA8v0DoNCVdDbfZQ51UBDgZbF5bAiOzMzkrmrH+14aa78smCq h5fzxXkYDXKmRuok9Puo1xKJQ5FkY0PMLXv8Zvsb0y5nlnAJaJ20hoVRb+nYbwQICovt LnduieaCLIEf54jZvDfN+Az+zvR0uqLjbuq3gPOmSavz0C3/hHrJFHPqxDVXRWdaq4oe 74v36buj3lAv2Lic6umlIA76OP259HF3p4W3n2JSNT210cEPcdqSr3BMckGzVQBY8JcE gPXSbnRVJs9XS+QwnRFglEVc52e9xiMnW2A2TuvC7l0rPTaSH5Sz7J6r/GiKSWZ1YOyv aHQQ== Received: by 10.68.241.228 with SMTP id wl4mr17066522pbc.51.1344241680655; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from astrolap (b01E0.static.pacific.net.au. [203.17.42.224]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iq1sm4932032pbc.37.2012.08.06.01.27.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 01:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "David Whytcross" To: "Robert Huff" , References: <20508.1763.929226.450465@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20508.5028.902.7239@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:26:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:16:28 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: boinc_gui missing after portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: David Whytcross List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 08:28:01 -0000 Thanks for your help Robert it is working again, odd how it has to be started form /var/db/boinc ! also noticed that "boinc_cmd" has changed it name to "boinccmd" and as for "boincmgr", I found that you need to run "boinccmd" from the /var/db/boinc folder as well, to do a manual update regards, David Whytcross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Huff" To: Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 4:08 AM Subject: boinc_gui missing after portupgrade > > Robert Huff writes: > >> > I am now missing boinc_gui from /usr/local/bin >> > >> > any ideas as to how to get it back ? >> >> I believe the literal answer is "downgrade". :-( >> The more useful answer is "it has been replaced by >> 'boincmgr'". hich, unfortunately, does not seem to pick up >> project/task information from the previous version. > > Further information: > It does pick up the current porject/task information if you > start it in the boinc directory (e.g. /var/db/boinc). > > > Robert Huff > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 11:48:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316F31065670 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yoanna.savova@cloudsigma.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D62828FC16 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbgb22 with SMTP id gb22so3146032vcb.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:48:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=IG01zLVizk6kxsECmKyzl+ZUnE3zlPsq/Ek6c+ufuaI=; b=gxhaAWOR/6BJyvyCs4OB/tCooBrnk4mcLJy/k5GyrkDmh/va6nr08P30dhrZe3ZIbd 4QWkLx0KmgLYU2yqCik5K3pAphUWdIIidJrzGXPSqOcQvD7Ayt1pCtSANW7tGnDRBTJv TWMkvJbaNgJdeDqRr+F3g9UMTRsE3rMAABF1LiwoEn9c60PT/zfQ8KowvicOK0RmaNT0 h+lcuFT/2Subzq0KdQLMcZg7IXotTMBmKbDzg93m8QUnmRj80E2pyvVZGO+3m9dWJa+/ AR8cgp3B5U9GoX0xOeLle7jYMU6ycnN3CX+fBzufklmbH441QEXQSDX7lIO+arIF8hMB CYyw== Received: by 10.52.68.110 with SMTP id v14mr328372vdt.14.1344253721894; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 04:48:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.59.1.99 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 04:48:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <501F8FC8.3020604@FreeBSD.org> References: <501F8FC8.3020604@FreeBSD.org> From: Yoanna Savova Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:48:01 +0300 Message-ID: To: Matthew Seaman X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkPs6yLC3WL37Y/SQpsz11i1ZqfMzV4bRIsY5fkn1xbMN9gblwRBguLl/dqtdzbg9jgywBs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partnership query X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:48:43 -0000 Hi Mathew, Thank you very much for the explanations and support! We do provide FreeBSD so I have filled in and submitted the form. I will be waiting for an e-mail from your side as stated. Thank you! Regards, Yoanna Savova CloudSigma On 6 August 2012 12:35, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 06/08/2012 09:15, Yoanna Savova wrote: > > > By way of brief introduction, my name is Yoanna Savova, part of the > > CloudSigma team. We are interested in becoming your partners. We see > there > > are many hardware and software vendors enlisted on your site who offer a > > FreeBSD product. > > Hence, I am interested to fin out how we can do this. Shall we have a > call > > this week? > > Hi, Yoanna, > > Thank you very much for your interest in FreeBSD. I think it would make > an excellent addition to your cloud server OS offering. > > However, one thing that might not be immediately obvious: the FreeBSD > organization is not a commercial entity. We're a bunch of volunteers > who build and maintain this operating system in our spare time. > "Partnering" as such doesn't really fit with the way we work. > > Of course, you are very welcome to *use* FreeBSD and offer it as an > option on your website. You can just do that without needing to ask > anyone. Should you, or your technical team need any assistance with > that, then feel free to ask on this or any of the more specific mailing > lists or IRC channels: it's free, and you will generally get a pretty > fast and accurate response, but that cannot be guaranteed contractually. > > If you do make FreeBSD part of your portfolio, then of course the > project will be glad to add links to your company site on the Hardware > and Software Vendors pages. As it says on the site, simply fill out > this PR form: > > http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html > > with a HTML format paragraph of text describing your FreeBSD related > services in the description field, set the category to 'www' and class > to 'change-request', and add appropriate contact details. (Most of the > other fields in that form can be left empty as they are irrelevant to > your particular request.) The website should be updated with your > details in due course. > > About the closest thing there is to a company supporting FreeBSD at the > moment is the FreeBSD Foundation: it would probably be worth your while > enquiring with them about how your company can benefit from supporting > and being seen to support the FreeBSD project. > > http://www.freebsdfoundation.org/contact.shtml > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 12:16:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4926A1065670 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D821C8FC15 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhfs35 with SMTP id s35so2870040yhf.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5REFXpzTlOtXjsLHNK11Caqg0bFsnDoKEItF/IqLMyk=; b=R88bx1V7OobRiBRsrl0nFCftOBKlp5QIsznfb+LnbixWfx7sRjzgddtgrZdGlzrdo7 qVnPdrE6ET86EwlPtp/DLDsmp3Q7yc3hFzkOWE45MB8LTopYtsEb4g7MNphkfZ74Ne5c DvTP03n1UOfMNUn1j8sdwU4C/NmITZVA9qcsI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=5REFXpzTlOtXjsLHNK11Caqg0bFsnDoKEItF/IqLMyk=; b=NiU2XTyPBQCXvr7f+hCnx22gYMG5Q4QFmNr+q+djJtBOASKyJRsV37IvvYmVzsvtV0 q/UJqvRywjq1nzRYTbASDg1des4LtTNqx4MPWFUK77/EMxYXgmPj0tirIwZ4+ivq0/jd z1waxzK4qzdsWOdHtid9Npio+JPDN38NF/fXXjYe2YVzkb1chkQma1SYNXTvbNuw5KNU bUkGuEQfAYts5ExL2Cni9NJv5YS8LrGOYKCS/6o/kDES8uATuyInSOAsk9JLpBam6Mmy +Jda5ZlUAjDl4jNNXsnW3QQVvmv7WAj3+fSzQKBtJ+4Q9GLnTaDAjBRtnVgMphi/dd1M fknw== Received: by 10.236.74.37 with SMTP id w25mr9752017yhd.30.1344255401746; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p36sm825467yhe.20.2012.08.06.05.16.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 05:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3WrHsL3fqRz2CG67 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmbRJTdMvSu5WUNGmXpdsUE1V7lRF11Jxf7qiCG2K8ySxD9Lomt70lgWojsybprXp2iQjhW Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:16:43 -0000 On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300 Mario Lobo articulated: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 > > Robert Huff articulated: > > > [Snip] > > > The socialists still feel they are entitled to something > > for nothing. > > > Jerry; > > Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence > describes is just plain good old greedy people. Patents provided > the perfect LEGAL way for these very people to make theirs, an idea > that they didn't think of or had the gift/talent to create, as a > quickie for profit. The result: Now the long patent arm reaches > fruit, seeds and DNA. This means that I can't "create" a Graviola > juice drink (local Brazilian fruit) because a Japanese guy patented > the fruit !! How ridiculous did we allowed this to get? Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they were: ⁽¹⁾ Intended to use the patents in such a way that they would directly profit from it ⁽²⁾ Intended to lease the patent rights or outright sell the patent. Patients protect hard working people who may work years, maybe half their life to come up with a killer idea only to have a douche bag come along and use it sans payments. Interestingly enough, you seem to equate an entity, individual, group or corporation that want to profit off of their work and investment as greedy. I call them entitled. With that said, feel free to develop some great idea and then give it away for nothing. No one, certainly not me, is going to stop you. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 13:03:10 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EA6106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-gg0-f182.google.com (mail-gg0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FFB8FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 13:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk4 with SMTP id k4so2932979ggn.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=gG40D0hjDGgYvZJgoOyRGqtHwG1miyo8FgsSTERtevI=; b=gaSMN6GPKqPkl64qpbiZ+W33m8BK8LPQ7E6wcinv6VbR8cS2MAEwgVCupNqSJADTTb 40IsjU3P10L6o7f11I124RYu4C+XX3tg4OkC7XhexUaECiI9kR24Bn6SRcPGEfKiudkI S4Knw29mhrRJTexMQPklfqzbGOj7o1t930eagpo7Cb9cLGCwrCjy8hKD9X+DbdK8WZeo Ws35GV/MWwAv/G4oqZNWp7bkT3N27kDD4V1Z3XwMZ5ZsHOvJcpQA3rsALYBZ6i3yIP6E hQk9POfAUoiPrz6jMGI1SE2MgEJuf0wr0x/CU1fryZf+c8LokTBYzP9VhQk6Odkpl28t Twqw== Received: by 10.236.80.34 with SMTP id j22mr9763435yhe.82.1344258189272; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi ([187.113.166.75]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y13sm10232295anj.5.2012.08.06.06.03.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 10:03:54 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120806100354.47abfd53@papi> In-Reply-To: <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmwP/uJUpUMgKcweHWJzqG1wJ/BtKe8Ymp600EhFeBXyAShfUiIirX9XchnQU7yz1voPC2y Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 13:03:10 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300 > Mario Lobo articulated: >=20 > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400 > > Jerry wrote: > >=20 > > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 > > > Robert Huff articulated: > > >=20 > > [Snip] > >=20 > > > The socialists still feel they are entitled to something > > > for nothing. > > >=20 > > Jerry; > >=20 > > Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence > > describes is just plain good old greedy people. Patents provided > > the perfect LEGAL way for these very people to make theirs, an idea > > that they didn't think of or had the gift/talent to create, as a > > quickie for profit. The result: Now the long patent arm reaches > > fruit, seeds and DNA. This means that I can't "create" a Graviola > > juice drink (local Brazilian fruit) because a Japanese guy patented > > the fruit !! How ridiculous did we allowed this to get? >=20 > Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can > always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one > interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they > were: >=20 > =E2=81=BD=C2=B9=E2=81=BE Intended to use the patents in such a way that t= hey would > directly profit from it >=20 > =E2=81=BD=C2=B2=E2=81=BE Intended to lease the patent rights or outright = sell the patent. >=20 > Patients protect hard working people who may work years, maybe half > their life to come up with a killer idea only to have a douche bag > come along and use it sans payments. >=20 > Interestingly enough, you seem to equate an entity, individual, group > or corporation that want to profit off of their work and investment as > greedy. I call them entitled. With that said, feel free to develop > some great idea and then give it away for nothing. No one, certainly > not me, is going to stop you. >=20 Discussion moved off-list. --=20 Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 15:42:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E308A106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy12-pub.bluehost.com (unknown [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A29268FC08 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2832 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2012 17:08:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy12.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 17:08:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=jqUe/OAYlSSexvtEy8FC+UIdf8LdpzSJxp+w/ecBlAo=; b=in0RvZAZoWL6VhRzP2s35Rj4YGy09mYgxmIJPyFmEQeFPnHJ+bgQ7OY77eDCsm+uZn06HqBSauMwCkfAFahf2EelboDXXXGYOyB7GgwgNAUuf023KXLC8FLwqU1ErdWa; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=61720 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4JD-0000eC-64 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 11:08:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 11:08:06 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120805170806.GA9129@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20510.40571.417415.852536@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20510.40571.417415.852536@jerusalem.litteratus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:42:57 -0000 On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:25:31PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote: > Jerry writes: > > > > I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I > > like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, > > software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary > > reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, > > sweat and time to some socialist just because they feel they have > > the right to the hard work of others is repulsive. > > Would you call Jeff Bezos (CEO of Amazon) a socialist? > Some years ago, he was giving an interview and was asked "Jeff, > Amazon has applied for a patent for the One-Click system. If Amazon > had > known before it started there was no chance of receiving a patent - > would it have created One-Click anyway?" > [While I'm paraphasing, the essential content is preserved.] > There was a long pause, during which you could tell Bezos > understood _precisely_ what the real question was ... > ... and (to his credit) answered "Yes." > > The programmers got paid. > Amazon gets paid in the form of more expedient processing and > (presumably) more sales due to ease of check-out. > Why, as a society, should we deny other innovators the ability > to use that technology to develop - hopefully - even better stuff? Patents don't encourage innovation. They primarily do three things: 1. They direct innovative effort away from non-patentable things and toward patentable things, even when the patentable things are less actually innovative or useful. 2. They favor large corporations with the resources to pursue patent litigation and build gigantic patent portfolios, thus creating hurdles for smaller business endeavors to become successful. 3. They encourage more time and resources to be spent on patent filing than on actual research and development. 4. They support a specialized lawyer class, which naturally evolves into an entire industry of patent trolling. 5. They make small organizations and individuals afraid to innovate because they fear they might run afoul of patents, and make large organizations waste a bunch of time and money buying other companies just for their patent portfolios so they have more ammunition with which to defend themselves against other patent-holders in a kind of "mutually assured destruction" arms race deterrence scheme. I guess three wasn't enough to list the major negatives of the patent system. I could come up with more, given a little time. Ultimately, the patent system is in many ways the opposite of a free market. In fact, the socialistic "labor theory of value" is a much more effective basis for justifying a patent system than any concepts of economic schools of thought more oriented toward free market capitalism, because patents are designed to "protect" a labor resources investment in the patentable "invention", rather than any kind of actual proprietary investment. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 17:37:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF904106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:37:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A0D8FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [31.186.37.179] (helo=rpi-1.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SyRAj-00049s-Ie for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:32:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.marelmo.com) by rpi-1.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SyRF6-0006GL-8T for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:37:24 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:17 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.3 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) X-Face: %]+HVL}K`P8>+8ZcY-WGHP6j@&mxMo9JH6_WdgIgUGH)JX/usO0%jy7T~IVgqjumD^OBqX, Kv^-GM6mlw(fI^$"QRKyZ$?xx/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Auth-Info: 15567@permanet.ie (plain) Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:37:27 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 Jerry wrote: > Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can > always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one > interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they > were: > > ⁽¹⁾ Intended to use the patents in such a way that they would directly > profit from it > > ⁽²⁾ Intended to lease the patent rights or outright sell the patent. [3] Want to prevent anyone else from using it to break into their market. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 18:20:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E38106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:20:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (unknown [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE6538FC12 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13998 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2012 16:05:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2012 16:05:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=8bWH48U5KHGGjgnFhkxzDXfEdpGC6DbpDJRapXg8P/Q=; b=al3fp7lkJR5KVNGmGP1fKqtxxcjBmh7Hg6VFsJ4GGu6kuDhPKYtZr+OH4pmqtMhWj9iN0+c4yslzRzjDDNFMe2LeKWOgKVwABUSo53mCZfVCsz2hXBcTm6baZir/lCUo; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=63436 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SxgrR-0004Lw-RL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 10:05:53 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:05:53 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120804160553.GA32048@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120802185759.GB12255@hemlock.hydra> <20120803081433.0ad12c03@AMD620.ovitrap.com> <20120803222125.GE26239@hemlock.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:20:14 -0000 On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 07:57:34AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it > >-- just because they're wrong in the final analysis? > seems you never worked long with lawyers, or you are lucky and have > really fair one. If the word "fair" can be used for lawyers at all. > > Most often they just want court cases to have "work". I'm not sure you understood what I said, because what *you* said here seems irrelevant to what I said. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 18:38:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560DA106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:38:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80408FC15 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr13 with SMTP id r13so1229910ghr.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:38:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4Y6+7Ad1OsQNYvWWaLy74FW+ly18/CBIOdfU8aVBcc0=; b=BTbuxLP5dRobKq+lSZc3vKaz/4syOCWuupJJ0ZuEBXile3nc8uvuTh1d80ZydEbEcz s8DKyxZK+S5qPEJOwK7pHc7dptu5CP+hQg1zB44IgtG/WwCOEF4rU180DGzoOD8busIJ haY0pkP+pOhnnLMDrKewiXrZ1qLfDhCx6oqOI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=4Y6+7Ad1OsQNYvWWaLy74FW+ly18/CBIOdfU8aVBcc0=; b=jsIsgIl6vftVTYY9l3R5RwJdqNeCVNFgnAfihw5kZHEr/jzb8UDW/KPwKv1EWe6Gwx eC4pr8bEQROlbFbb9tHXXzvRcT7d45R7EwISUtF2ULy0mkdlJQcWBIxEZdGDQMRTiIaq j/0nY1voe34nftrYUdRbuMLfbR09vxVZoSQBwwFUTknt5EMSm/YOQ9iwhvgPwPxJNddz UY6MS40DFhZ54aGwP2QlxGIr5IDx0i+yk34Js6+1/DkO26Trl1IHuJxH2d3CrGS4yeN7 fRNQrS29efECuuqmtlnkX7R3bzS+28H1wHn3uNyBENrKRJfBYMxj/JbKh57kZ+Ec/lnW nwig== Received: by 10.101.84.13 with SMTP id m13mr1408570anl.4.1344278280935; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t63sm32900883yhd.7.2012.08.06.11.37.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 11:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3WrSKK6h3gz2CG4F for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 14:37:57 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120806143757.7a1a23b7@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlnFvFuYrb4AruSh540hV6v8gcvvvKxK7sM1lFpUbGKeDO67f4DVsXhnun4aO1pkurA01Of Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:38:02 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:17 +0100 Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > > > Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You > > can always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well > > no one interested in monetary compensation would patient anything > > unless they were: > > > > ⁽¹⁾ Intended to use the patents in such a way that they would > > directly profit from it > > > > ⁽²⁾ Intended to lease the patent rights or outright sell the patent. > > [3] Want to prevent anyone else from using it to break into their > market. That would be inclusive in my 1st. reason I listed. -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 19:08:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E341065744 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E254F8FC20 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so2763804wey.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=YpObCSFwTRZqczzDSsuGsnQKGesknslkbJKehnN0wFE=; b=AEgNx/yt9luZHL+kYC6wlkPMvzN64O7ufUXauV2YVnkv71OkLMHg+2Y/UEvofClAyR d+STB1/uVsoJq2i39fy04chWIBxbokP1B+BcEeDIbVO+Hee4wWYT8k2yL/o3mPsS9sHI GjhF8/pFORpO3GgQTe3HRdm650qjswQVnVoRbgR2zqi0cRKI9RzolT8e778b850pQCJL UkSuyDXTaEsp5/1nNFLgZNEX12bU00OH9fAyV/XDLgtF08yZWM7LFMgzesGynMrf7jJW EavPuXf5ocmQ2XnH8hMCubmAKwgDSKOGR1GCreqyER1kxBrA7EOalZWXGlsb4ZKfEUf+ EVrg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.74.21 with SMTP id w21mr6177287wed.77.1344280099557; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.28.206 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 12:08:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.228] In-Reply-To: <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +0000 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkGoRixLUDpQXgJr/sbDCFQGhyEJLuROFzb3hvJpyLDqh1pv1zAYHJvylYcwt8ZtY15QSZT Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:08:21 -0000 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote= : > On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400 > Jerry wrote: > >> Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can >> always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one >> interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they >> were: >> >> =E2=81=BD=C2=B9=E2=81=BE Intended to use the patents in such a way that = they would directly >> profit from it >> >> =E2=81=BD=C2=B2=E2=81=BE Intended to lease the patent rights or outright= sell the patent. > > [3] Want to prevent anyone else from using it to break into their market. Yes, but this comes with a trade-off. Patents are for a LIMITED time. And in exchange for getting that temporary monopoly, you have to publish the details of your invention. The idea was not just to provide a monetary incentive for innovation, but to ensure that those innovations became public knowledge. In the absence of patents, companies tend to resort to trade secrets -- keeping the details of their innovations hidden. This can result in "lost technologies" when a particular company goes under and takes its trade secrets with it. Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of that limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology advances, but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 19:48:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170C1106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C672C8FC0A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE9827759; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q76JmU0i002302; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: David Brodbeck Message-Id: <20120806214830.27efcf77.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:48:33 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +0000, David Brodbeck wrote: > Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of that > limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology advances, > but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound. It's also debatable if one of today's most prominent use of patents is fair: "I tell you! I have patents! You are infringing! I'm not gonna tell you which patents about what, but I'll sue all your users!" Of course, if such a claim enters a court, it might be verified or discarded (because it's just a claim, nothing applicable). In order not to "risk" a lawsuit, it seems that spreading FUD is often the more profitable way of using patents: "I told you! I have patents! But if you pay me $$$, maybe I won't sue you and your users. Maybe... but now PAY!!!" -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 20:54:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E76106566C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com (unknown [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 436058FC12 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 20:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 13532 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 2012 16:28:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 2012 16:28:02 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.com; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=l8B//5N24u1Mac5cuMbpD0iWu/VCz/2+Xz3e97xhXlM=; b=hqMUMplUFAeuDs+qvUcv/t3PSaI5qfkvSTEEUECMtYMIV82SE4p0rr4yQBg9op0FH6VO3gOUYUFsxpw7IqOx2RHQQb7OTZj+5YyPgui0LjYgpAni/tlDzVXR4pwAhmaY; Received: from [24.8.180.234] (port=63650 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy3gQ-0006hJ-4G for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:28:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 10:28:01 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120805162801.GA5028@hemlock.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with perrin@apotheon.com} Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:54:36 -0000 On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:33:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 > Robert Huff articulated: > > > > Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end > > is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement > > is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the > > idea gets out there, we should be indifferent as to whether they > > make money. > > I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I like > making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, software / > hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary reward for their > hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, sweat and time to some > socialist just because they feel they have the right to the hard work of > others is repulsive. I'm okay with that statement. > > If a monetary reward were removed from the equation, we would probably > still be using an abacus in the dark. Cockamamie nonsense -- or, if you prefer, [citation needed]. > > While we certainly should be indifferent to the financial incentive and > monetary reward someone receives; in all too many cases that is just > not so. The socialists still feel they are entitled to something for > nothing. . . . which need not have *anything* at all to do with a discussion of whether a system of patents is a good or bad idea. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 21:31:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69CF106567A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3348FC12 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr13 with SMTP id r13so1463179ghr.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m+vKJv/JVxuQqvxnSI6OCnmsviFjQRWNb0XXxKy7wgE=; b=eZX6fYIgwHPqnJxZjfsz3fJdQ5/QPWJiqp8vWyrPHoNAyCZ1Rnv3EO//nro/grmcpX VnC0tZLMKuTgZpnLXMJi7P7/xinmambXapOkNyFw8oexnLfkpeHePqCEstrJXEHj02lE oVZeztTddUy1UDjJUv+knP6c1Ev0fHs73HrJw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:x-mailer:face:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=m+vKJv/JVxuQqvxnSI6OCnmsviFjQRWNb0XXxKy7wgE=; b=l+EGLWyymuWTC109SPmXhDwAS92hMb/LEcE5424/5Mpm6Zt5lq6NTMjnHGMq4vbdHD dipUPKdcNxaluV+moU07Ut5gm8YA4XJY4K+z3afM5WqRfZJoRP3oe2/yuJ5N/0zKLpnu pc4ErcACIFNWIW9LliQnQlxDs3V5+mriMscbLjj4Cc9oWXXDCutNP2aIEx9A2apt5SAR uLzr5OP5CGTsQxUr+JN7A9NY5dN6rNXADQ0/coqhIGJUe/EnI/YZY0jq0msv7maHp/I9 y19IEr+8jleWcO7eog+yRnCCheRe7LbDupalGaj75+ENZeP7QWmaXiN7MieyeNqiT4a5 PBEg== Received: by 10.236.183.168 with SMTP id q28mr11112192yhm.45.1344288709422; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-076-182-104-150.nc.res.rr.com. [76.182.104.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e5sm5915573yhi.12.2012.08.06.14.31.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jerry@scorpio.seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3WrX9t1VkJz2CG4F for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:31:45 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD Message-ID: <20120806173145.5f4efd66@scorpio> In-Reply-To: <20120806214830.27efcf77.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> <20120806214830.27efcf77.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: seibercom.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnZ8q0BxCqYqiTC4kAV7fyqECRmCElg1pw36+WXOLSxkNhUj+xSbi97MoiXG4vHt0GTmiLO Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:31:56 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:30 +0200 Polytropon articulated: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +0000, David Brodbeck wrote: > > Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of > > that limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology > > advances, but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound. > > It's also debatable if one of today's most prominent use > of patents is fair: "I tell you! I have patents! You are > infringing! I'm not gonna tell you which patents about > what, but I'll sue all your users!" Of course, if such > a claim enters a court, it might be verified or discarded > (because it's just a claim, nothing applicable). In order > not to "risk" a lawsuit, it seems that spreading FUD is > often the more profitable way of using patents: "I told > you! I have patents! But if you pay me $$$, maybe I won't > sue you and your users. Maybe... but now PAY!!!" How many verifiable (the key word here is verifiable) cases can you name where party A paid party B over an undisclosed patient solely on the bases that party B might institute legal action? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 22:23:18 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5941065677 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:23:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-f47.google.com (mail-qa0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229278FC08 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qaat11 with SMTP id t11so1371206qaa.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5r+fjvii9OqOh+h5/gAoIlSHVKaW3g6NWOXVv3vkqiY=; b=k/ry3J4Fig7xLe5B98vBf7Z+EkWRAroJwl26G5YXrCTOevw8KnvMn2x1rj0sRcdZzO v6cSQm6OlffDUvfLqkb6M0oT0/+5lpriTjBsneDU2AeOk5IW8r2lYGsjoo5y9pZclg9w MFFVeggji3N8lgReDTTSNOheqTDZkt342HsYXSrWlV8gTZEH+OhEJ2lklHTaGryi4nIv ecrPcJagzQulD8pFIdZ9RWG7su/DWzeLBxt6NSVmkGXEiCZ1aHGo4Q/krsQTcZyHfLYO tUI4xyg5HP+ZRaU8kfHEXbs2NHJvYaVhPPGd2DDs1YoS8gHHx/4URaeQmTqPP6gR66TU IhgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.11 with SMTP id l11mr6018735qct.116.1344291797040; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.135 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 15:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:23:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Problem with cvsup since 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #225 r229960M X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 22:23:18 -0000 TreeList failed: Error in "/usr/local/etc/cvsup/sup/cvsroot-all/checkouts.cvs:RELENG_9": Bad header line. Delete it and try again. I deleted that above mentioned file before running cvsup. I've been using the configuration file for many years with no changes and don't normally check because it has never failed me. Any suggestions appreciated. ed My cvs-supfile contains: *default tag=RELENG_9 *default host=cvsup15.freebsd.org *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all cvsroot-all From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 23:35:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E82B106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gull@gull.us) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3AB8FC0C for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so2922938wey.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=gGJeBi2runVIHUbQPqAgz5xHOhQ1D3I/Dgdgaty9Jrg=; b=FCiavKOZiLmZ5jU3PV3S9PFHOaw/EWL7YzFBA/yQrlH/iEOVyx4EEJdqjkrfokRqBH gS0/SoqBDdJ/BaBuosNtEBX4Os0VqkuzOYYLsjvKjikxWC1QVbWO4ynU2uisoXFEDYUN O3VEOFialVmupYuv/ElQ/q05ngh9sGqRAFOCg3lpPHx0TaLNa41LcoJM/i4evnl06Lre xJQSXuDOziSTp9wdBIrXhFXBUxjvQ2JRfHP72SWm7npih0pcJY1+ezCP6PCV1hwmCN8J giSTgOle81hZlX4HcICU38JMMF8Xn+6eLQFys11uXPpysasys4LWl38ZpDUj8XrpuoX8 pPmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.89.235 with SMTP id br11mr22289384wib.3.1344296105253; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.28.206 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:35:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.95.17.228] In-Reply-To: <20120806214830.27efcf77.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20120805045800.29444.qmail@joyce.lan> <20510.27576.562781.36878@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20120805093320.7b7f0fc4@scorpio> <20120805214321.17a02e43@papi> <20120806081638.1033190a@scorpio> <20120806183717.ed53868f.steve@sohara.org> <20120806214830.27efcf77.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:35:05 +0000 Message-ID: From: David Brodbeck To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn+jEqKQxm9bmFyRhtrEKkHqLVg2PtaYfmjUxWBS3lXZsRfQ1RaL6tad8vRBeNP0YKKa5fr Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:35:07 -0000 On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: > It's also debatable if one of today's most prominent use > of patents is fair: "I tell you! I have patents! You are > infringing! I'm not gonna tell you which patents about > what, but I'll sue all your users!" Of course, if such > a claim enters a court, it might be verified or discarded > (because it's just a claim, nothing applicable). In order > not to "risk" a lawsuit, it seems that spreading FUD is > often the more profitable way of using patents: "I told > you! I have patents! But if you pay me $$$, maybe I won't > sue you and your users. Maybe... but now PAY!!!" The companies that do that are generally very large ones like Microsoft. Frankly I'm not sure if you can do much about that kind of behavior; a company of that size and wealth can always find plenty of ways to harass its enemies. Perhaps, to paraphrase Grover Norquist, we need to shrink corporations down until they're small enough that we can drown them in the bathtub. ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 6 23:53:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE7F106564A for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:53:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jusher71@yahoo.com) Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC2BD8FC08 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:53:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.86.156] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:53:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1014.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Aug 2012 23:53:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 20776.38845.bm@omp1014.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 76648 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2012 23:53:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1344297184; bh=7m4uc8brR33u7ZJBsS0MGUj0ysX6PndeFkaoSUkwnRA=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3gA9uDqVafH92yKs8h3KCG2w2xyC0Bg69n80lGC4ID5hFhYJE9mwGtEZBLYlhltD3ttw7DD4oYORujApYWaijy/pOxgO2QNeis5ALRP08bxusf44tHNSftdUVTK+bAPW02fKL2KaTkGGftK3zBS7zxD62Qq7siFIAXW1rGC1DyA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VrEqOK9pSUHfEQoNL7RlRvTqKLQOBxBZK3EG6AbenmykdPkpBLOQk53Fectcs//IgWD/ZNw2/F4up8joCYUtU4iEiq2W3lupxWT8yyui+kQ99dJc4prsVRtrgk4+kEMmprRZC5ObDRgm26I4xLQ5uRtZ2gGKlqhbjNd9t5A3mik=; X-YMail-OSG: sg8lAjEVM1keGumV11Ukfc4WmUIDdTcwgEHwywcai_6o60t 8cBx_2teZiHoO42BjUzD648Tm1c1JmlhW.SyEN0nZG5ztIrVpZNvj2rqg3or mMUObG3TFspJojoXduWwmgl4.FiNdrLQCA7sarf6hzs7mvYHX4ufYnBsOa4v UrK_pYqWQ_Y8w4UKnqSAHZ4ZZxQf0NndJAVgNDc7heo7TgBaiULsRd_gBbMx OjRiaG717FV9Ty1Y2wR9FHk3uaMwQtOtBdvV8g9YpysZCr9lQZcJEUddKECQ Jp1O2fJn5hf.MOWc.TbTYVFEse.TcoW_lhbxaKiOfEl3s.R0c93k3LzaLQls qXQRdPlTOgWBAroECM..M9haFCOeLi9WxfqMiE2wI3UeBGAOZNh9JQMTptcA TDJJzMuYSm.U8pGno Received: from [173.164.238.34] by web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 16:53:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 Message-ID: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Usher To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 23:53:12 -0000 I am installing 8.3-RELEASE on an old 900mhz pentium laptop ... it's an i686 CPU. By default, GENERIC has "HAMMER" as the cpu, and that isn't working. So I tried both: cpu I586_CPU and: cpu I686_CPU (I also tried them both lowercase, like i686_cpu) But all of these fail: GENERIC: unknown option "I586_CPU" How can I set 586/686 (you're supposed to set both) in my kernel conf ? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 00:34:54 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D92410656D1 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:34:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04FB8FC12 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so2948588wey.13 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=t+hPHSfhzgRuQ9uZ4QFsJSt5SWCC3cyXE88KkK6Gl58=; b=XAogrrZ0cabMpTrc8UhM3Wcf1ne7G0ew0DspHb2xFCctkgsF17BNNv84YdoY0ELF8I hrhkMH8HG67dN4pA0m/NFzsZ78FdCiB21i/eMmzXXUIIy3TNBwgUyWSkBpkHlUQwzhx2 gHseNxjBVv9WG+cRyx0bXpn2ZLzkYP2hO45VjWO2jjVoFf50Auh9kuL6osCiIM5GQCKT uWsamvO/7FaSziugBrKa6B1QirG6zg3Rrhrnd3Sy0VHvmB816mus37Zm5c/YW+Glce1F mU/EEO+5NfILCrIIFX11U1uZeqPof9y5x1jkRRhymnu7JjyWcCKv1Tmo9jBmRky/PMet c6WA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.78.5 with SMTP id x5mr22624186wiw.13.1344299693035; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.171.71 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:34:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 17:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: Michael Sierchio To: Jason Usher X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkgElPGHicXc/XZKgwS2UgmqpjHlnANhxRXzELSkJQQie9pGBvhyTAivpB2hJEWROuxuIvU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 00:34:54 -0000 make LINT vi LINT On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Jason Usher wrote: > I am installing 8.3-RELEASE on an old 900mhz pentium laptop ... it's an > i686 CPU. > > By default, GENERIC has "HAMMER" as the cpu, and that isn't working. So I > tried both: > > cpu I586_CPU > > and: > > cpu I686_CPU > > (I also tried them both lowercase, like i686_cpu) > > But all of these fail: > > GENERIC: unknown option "I586_CPU" > > How can I set 586/686 (you're supposed to set both) in my kernel conf ? > > You're sure it's an i686? Do you have the amd64 distribution, or i386? If the former, then in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf... # make LINT # vi LINT cpu HAMMER and that's all she wrote. There are some 32-bit compatibility options: options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 options COMPAT_LINUX32 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 00:35:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317B0106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f170.google.com (mail-wi0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34178FC1E for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:35:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12so1958912wib.1 for ; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:35:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LjkJaI5Z/1SagaV3QChnORTlbj8N+s+ES3rFUgVvAZ8=; b=TlUDBcAJS3qDS0kU9g3iHo5hsoGDz02TK5P/8UrsA0l+ftFM8Eszuwi6/p6uMUgiFL 6z3dkOrEFVndpZ2+aShDto+t74Qke7YJYJKPxaJVBRWRt9/+eUnCKFFRhC36/nqpKirr XtdKEslDN0wQZ3MEiPcW/2IJg/n0DBSOitEUgCcKhJMh86h2ec+6AkD1/a+GAXVzypA4 hP3fimG2tOTX8xvkyG9M8ZFmpEf6L0+UMOt+ukE80A9WLL+4H3DygKSu6ezDYCNUVx6U OF4h17M3LErrd7n1c9gvqANfD298eFYsbqbPAz6dEt9DHB/OWp4Vlp+No3bqw9pj94uD q5zg== Received: by 10.216.214.208 with SMTP id c58mr6408466wep.148.1344299751038; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w7sm18415451wiz.0.2012.08.06.17.35.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 01:35:48 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120807013548.77113512@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 00:35:58 -0000 On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Jason Usher wrote: > I am installing 8.3-RELEASE on an old 900mhz pentium laptop ... it's > an i686 CPU. > > By default, GENERIC has "HAMMER" as the cpu, and that isn't working. > So I tried both: That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 02:43:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACF6106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B7E8FC17 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 02:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q772aSBS072755; Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:36:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 22:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: RW In-Reply-To: <20120807013548.77113512@gumby.homeunix.com> Message-ID: References: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120807013548.77113512@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 02:43:13 -0000 On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, RW wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 16:53:04 -0700 (PDT) > Jason Usher wrote: > >> I am installing 8.3-RELEASE on an old 900mhz pentium laptop ... it's >> an i686 CPU. >> >> By default, GENERIC has "HAMMER" as the cpu, and that isn't working. >> So I tried both: > > That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC Jason: It looks like you may have installed the 64-bit distribution on your 32-bit machine. Try fetching the distribution again (and re-burning the CD, or whatever your media was). This time get the "i386" version. That's what you want for a Pentium. HTH. -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 06:29:17 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28CF106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:29:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.22]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857668FC0A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:29:17 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AosFAGe1IFC9qmWx/2dsb2JhbABFtiOBNoF8gycBAQWBCQsYLleIJgK7aBSLNoNRgxwDiBg1nQiCfw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,725,1336366800"; d="scan'208";a="79084450" Received: from nlpiport04.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.112]) by nlpiport17.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2012 01:28:47 -0500 Received: from dsl-189-170-101-177-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena) ([189.170.101.177]) by nlpiport04.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2012 01:28:46 -0500 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 23:28:45 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201208051946.30195.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> In-Reply-To: <201208051946.30195.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201208062328.46062.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Subject: Re: questions on the use of moused for Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:29:17 -0000 On Sunday 05 August 2012 19:46:30 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > > The driver UMS detects the Z Axis and the Wheel [XYZW] > > ums0: addr 4> on usbus1 ums0: 4 buttons and [XYZW] coordinates ID=0 > Enabling debug for ums, I confirm that ums is detecting moves in Z an W Why is moused ignoring the moves in W? # sysctl hw.usb.ums.debug=15 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 08 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:0 y:0 z:0 t:0 w:0 buttons:0x00000008 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 00 00 ff 00 00 00 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:0 y:1 z:0 t:0 w:0 buttons:0x00000000 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 00 ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:-1 y:0 z:0 t:0 w:0 buttons:0x00000000 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 00 00 00 ff 00 00 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:0 y:0 z:0 t:0 w:-1 buttons:0x00000000 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:0 y:0 z:-1 t:0 w:0 buttons:0x00000000 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:0 y:0 z:-6 t:0 w:0 buttons:0x00000000 ums_intr_callback: sc=0xc3dfd000 actlen=6 ums_intr_callback: data = 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 ums_intr_callback: x:0 y:0 z:-1 t:0 w:0 buttons:0x00000000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 07:38:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EC0106566B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mapsware@prodigy.net.mx) Received: from nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx (nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx [148.235.52.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E858FC1C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:38:43 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Am0FAJjDIFC9qmWx/2dsb2JhbABFt1GBdYMnAQEFgQkLGC5XiCYCCbtAFIp7g1GDHAOIGDWdB4J/ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,725,1336366800"; d="scan'208";a="79639901" Received: from nlpiport20.prodigy.net.mx ([148.235.52.90]) by nlpiport16.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2012 02:33:34 -0500 Received: from dsl-189-170-101-177-dyn.prod-infinitum.com.mx (HELO morena) ([189.170.101.177]) by nlpiport20.prodigy.net.mx with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2012 02:33:34 -0500 From: Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 00:33:33 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <201208051946.30195.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> In-Reply-To: <201208051946.30195.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201208070033.33872.mapsware@prodigy.net.mx> Subject: Re: questions on the use of moused for Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:38:44 -0000 On Sunday 05 August 2012 19:46:30 Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez wrote: > > When I run this command > > /usr/sbin/moused -f -d -z 4 5 6 7 -p /dev/ums0 -t auto -I > /var/run/moused.ums0.pid > > moused reports movements in XY (dx dy) but not ZW (dz), for Z now reports > buttons 4 and 5 pressed, in Xorg the scroll (vertical) does not work (xev > reports events for button 8 and 9), and no horizontal (xev doesn't report > anything) > according to http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.5/doc/man/man4/mousedrv.4.html Option "ButtonMapping" "N1 N2 [...]" Specifies how physical mouse buttons are mapped to logical buttons. Default: "1 2 3 8 9 10 ...". That is the reason that in Xorg the scroll (vertical) does not work, xev reports events for button 8 and 9 because moused reports button 4 and 5, but xorg remapped to 8 an 9 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 07:41:22 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42771065679 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:41:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8768FC1D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q777fAHY004011; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q777fAxS004008; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Jason Usher In-Reply-To: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:41:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:41:22 -0000 > I am installing 8.3-RELEASE on an old 900mhz pentium laptop ... it's an i686 CPU. > > By default, GENERIC has "HAMMER" as the cpu, and that isn't working. So I tried both: you've got into wrong directory /usr/src/sys/i386/conf is right /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf is wrong, unless you have 64-bit CPU which you don't > > cpu I586_CPU > > and: > > cpu I686_CPU > this is right setting. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 07:41:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6E11065688 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:41:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E898FC14 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 07:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q777ffGw004017; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q777ff9C004014; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Chris Hill In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <20120807013548.77113512@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:41:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:41:44 -0000 >> That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC > > Jason: It looks like you may have installed the 64-bit distribution on your nonsense. 64-bit distribution doesn't run on 32-bit computer. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:28:24 -0000 Facebook CIA Project. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqggW08BWO0 Smoking orangutan moved to island rehab. http://newsfixnow.com/2012/08/07/smoking-orangutan-moved-to-island-rehab/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:06:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6325F106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iqbal@aroussi.name) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11AE28FC14 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbgb22 with SMTP id gb22so5000713vcb.13 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:06:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aroussi.name; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=qEfejUpHdFKwcrhnkK/5PzwC3UVu/c/SXLih0TMpAqI=; b=R//MGDRICRNG9qwAiO9iUzgppwL2TQXRK4Ho2vgc7a6u/+pXc0sftdJrOZJ0E8SmpF 3mmkFwEpFavkRLbZ9nEi21tvReRusQ243j2wFjSeY63LUwjtfAyJ9VCgiQXNhF6tko+7 3maHLlHnHsDsJZ/5oINvaMO68yFEaNJxOo4xM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=qEfejUpHdFKwcrhnkK/5PzwC3UVu/c/SXLih0TMpAqI=; b=PKf0/bxq/CX4RX+yeb/n/FTUewjCWPOXzrDM5BHQ6Ms9D1BqwyBKe7fgm9K2QrNes5 ej13C7gh9c97PTN9idLq7PSJRwDKuIXetR78LmjO3fh3hlIqFkgBEslUFtC1CsDpD00s 7sEb7SsZLxiCbrnElFzQSvJXOlMa1z9WTcRFTTsLFEb82j5Ev3hHwQPk2Gh0PzYrtb7O y/018tyPsIbQwMyJTfgfp6P72Itlz3UgSQYWh5eCQofReU91VosFo6a5tKU/U6wgxrVF WvxwTGyg5JXxfYgQMHQF0nhDAgUs1poGoeQCmqAT4QlkWsIBXCYAqNGAGZ0ePXVIMJ2Y nCsQ== Received: by 10.52.99.167 with SMTP id er7mr9429417vdb.57.1344344760993; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 06:06:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.230.66 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 06:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Iqbal Aroussi Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:05:40 +0000 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnp4Hzoxvct3aR+Vq0z9im0xyDGxD0fa20oiXxj7/d68YHLqO3MEheV0NFRnps5pGFXuTtX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Openresolv Config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:06:02 -0000 Hi Can you please give some hints on configuring Openresolv on FreeBSD-9 My server is configured with DHCP, but I want to change the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf to use mein. Thanks in advance Best Regards -- * Iqbal Aroussi * From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:42:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4503E106566B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:42:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F568FC0A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q77DftQA052250 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:41:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q77DftQA052250 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1344346916; bh=8pxWKlvu0WcTrGGBxxjDfXqQZhURIqZ5TVI2KXWDcyg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=Id733ikfF4daY2azSTTYEWTy3BAwZpArCzpPYe99NMGwok/iEB+Tye+QSlN5xC3U/ /gOtZFRq0/pH/fOa2FveiLmmZUUKPF9rlMB7iRBosqTAn6ZnoGlci8yN1zTePRebR8 jSiSwh3ekXyCooRM5Vh/58OJaiOoAQNaXyJLkXiw= Message-ID: <50211B1A.3090101@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 14:41:46 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig01A5DB26CAA48120D7D73610" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Openresolv Config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:42:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig01A5DB26CAA48120D7D73610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/08/2012 14:05, Iqbal Aroussi wrote: > Can you please give some hints on configuring Openresolv on FreeBSD-9 > My server is configured with DHCP, but I want to change the nameservers= in > /etc/resolv.conf to use mein. I'm not sure that Openresolv is necessarily the right thing to use. This is how you would override the resolvers handed out to you by a DHCP server using dhclient. Edit the file /etc/dhclient.conf and add lines like so: interface "em0" { supersede domain-name-serves 192.0.2.1, 192.0.2.2; } Obviously, substitute the correct interface name and the IP numbers of your own DNS servers. There's also 'prepend' instead of 'supersede,' which allows you to stick your nameservers in as the preferred choice, but still keep the original ones as a fallback. See dhclient.conf(5). This assumes you've only got the one ethernet interface being configured by DHCP, and that you always want to use your own nameservers irrespective of what network you're connecting to. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig01A5DB26CAA48120D7D73610 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAhGyMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwJYgCdFCsxYG2zpykxpBgPeM3d5SN5 NdgAn31pHpTUNl1vkuXBzmbniE1vZwMv =kdJZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig01A5DB26CAA48120D7D73610-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 13:57:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C04106566C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blackfriar@inhio.eu) Received: from cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.eu (mail.inhio.eu [178.238.36.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F031A8FC16 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.59] (blackfriar.inhio.eu [10.0.0.59]) by cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 643391074DF for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:49:37 +0200 (CEST) From: blackfriar To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-eTMYkP/fddfIWDlSEAHE" Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:49:08 +0200 Message-ID: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Subject: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:57:33 -0000 --=-eTMYkP/fddfIWDlSEAHE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody! I'm wondering if it's possible to run in a "clear fashion" an NFS server within a jail on FreeBSD 9.0. I'm having some issues that make me think this is not supposed to work. I've googled it but I couldn't find much especially on releases prior 5!! A quick tip would be great .... I don't really wanna waste hours on this not very relevant issue. 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How Can I override using openresolv/resolvconf or configuring it for static IP on a server ? Currently my servers are configured with DHCP by the webhost company. I prefer to have them configured with static IP but right now I'm stuck on the openresolv problem. Do you know where can I find a openresolv howto for FreeBSD-9 please. Best Regards On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Matthew Seaman < m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > On 07/08/2012 14:05, Iqbal Aroussi wrote: > > Can you please give some hints on configuring Openresolv on FreeBSD-9 > > My server is configured with DHCP, but I want to change the nameservers > in > > /etc/resolv.conf to use mein. > > I'm not sure that Openresolv is necessarily the right thing to use. > > This is how you would override the resolvers handed out to you by a DHCP > server using dhclient. Edit the file /etc/dhclient.conf and add lines > like so: > > interface "em0" { > supersede domain-name-serves 192.0.2.1, 192.0.2.2; > } > > Obviously, substitute the correct interface name and the IP numbers of > your own DNS servers. There's also 'prepend' instead of 'supersede,' > which allows you to stick your nameservers in as the preferred choice, > but still keep the original ones as a fallback. See dhclient.conf(5). > > This assumes you've only got the one ethernet interface being configured > by DHCP, and that you always want to use your own nameservers > irrespective of what network you're connecting to. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW > > -- * Iqbal Aroussi * *+212 699 206 390* *iqbal@aroussi.name* From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 15:07:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F2F1065677 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:07:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F9C8FC15 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 15:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (kontrol [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06A26C129F for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:09:33 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kode5.net Received: from kontrol.kode5.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kontrol.kode5.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kWcT5w3AShFA for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:09:32 +0100 (BST) Received: by kontrol.kode5.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D6F066C1335; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:09:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:09:32 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120807150932.GB25551@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <50211B1A.3090101@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: x-operating-system: NetBSD 5.1_STABLE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: Openresolv Config X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 15:07:56 -0000 == Iqbal Aroussi wrote on Tue 7.Aug'12 at 14:00:06 +0000 == > Hi Matthew, > > Thank you so much for your quick reply. > How Can I override using openresolv/resolvconf or configuring it for static > IP on a server ? > Currently my servers are configured with DHCP by the webhost company. > I prefer to have them configured with static IP but right now I'm stuck on > the openresolv problem. > > Do you know where can I find a openresolv howto for FreeBSD-9 please. > > Best Regards You can set up a local DNS server using named. This is what I do for my mail server. I do use NetBSD on that machine though but the set up won't much different. You would need to configure your router to always assign the same ip to your machine and configure your network interface to use that ip, possibly within /etc/rc.conf. That way the dhclient won't override the entries you put in /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nsswitch.conf when it boots-up. That might be a solution to your problem, perhaps others could confirm that for sure. Jamie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:25:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCCE106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [199.102.78.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F9F8FC12 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-27-96-201.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([76.27.96.201] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SyaWy-0000al-8F; Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:32:28 -0600 From: Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4E4EEE93-1D29-44B5-BC70-E42616962810"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:32:27 -0600 Message-Id: <9BE2F3BC-1809-4B9A-9A5B-CE1EC8505BBA@shire.net> To: FreeBSD Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 76.27.96.201 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Chad Leigh Subject: Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:25:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_4E4EEE93-1D29-44B5-BC70-E42616962810 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi. I'll try this again. I run systems using FreeBSD 9.0 FreeBSD utah.XXXXXXXcom 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #1: Wed Mar 21 = 15:22:14 MDT 2012 chad@underhill:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/UNDERHILL-XEN = amd64 and on those systems run a bunch of jails. I have Apache 2.2 built and = running in the jail in question, and recently had need to add mod_fcgid = to it. NOTE that the Apache and mod_fcgid were not installed through = ports or packages. I download the source and build myself (for various = reasons). =20 Apache inside the Jail, with mod_fcgid enabled will not start: [Mon Jul 23 10:59:35 2012] [emerg] (78)Function not implemented: = mod_fcgid: Can't create shared memory for size 1192488 bytes I did a search on this and found that I would probably need a system = kernel parameter changed from 0 -> 1 security.jail.sysvipc_allowed So I did that. (And restarted the jail). However, I still get the same = error when trying to start apache. I noticed a similar parameter security.jail.param.allow.sysvipc but = cannot change this at run time and did not find anything useful about = what this parameter is for using a search engine. (As an aside, how would I change security.jail.sysvipc_allowed and = also security.jail.param.allow.sysvipc at boot time? I added them both = to /boot/loader.conf but they did not get changed at boot and I had to = do the security.jail.sysvipc_allowed one again on the command line -- I = have some vfs type kernel state variables set there and they stick) I would appreciate some help with getting things set up so that I can = run apache with mod_fcgid under my Jails on FBSD 9. Thanks! Chad --Apple-Mail=_4E4EEE93-1D29-44B5-BC70-E42616962810-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:31:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA7B106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:31:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0028FC0A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:31:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=c+ccWXVQ2Q5qgRn+UWnANfNgj4nW9c9XQx39GwHMBEs=; b=nppK8aL4XUllDEBsg2ibE/y+FNdfN+WDtOhXe91cOLESmbHFgJGDAhV66i4WIiX32Q8rWk7ltl2scoKUp1d5WVS6qiwqrEz+YkNVoWoK0GJGLwfx3/Xf84/rNRQmN5Ce; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Symgr-000OeC-Bi; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:31:29 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1344357088-41577-41576/5/40; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:31:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: FreeBSD Mailing List , "Chad Leigh Shire. Net LLC" References: <9BE2F3BC-1809-4B9A-9A5B-CE1EC8505BBA@shire.net> Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:31:28 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9BE2F3BC-1809-4B9A-9A5B-CE1EC8505BBA@shire.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, KHOP_THREADED=-0.5 X-SA-Score: -1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:31:30 -0000 jail_sysvipc_allow="YES" in rc.conf should do it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 16:46:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1905106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:46:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwinlculp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAFE8FC08 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 16:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qcsg15 with SMTP id g15so3263411qcs.13 for ; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1N+uNojO0Z/Q5E7dDSxL3gUgb62IBeObVJO+ti9/s5s=; b=ySpiJHLcV9ScNqCV/25+gQu1jpVqBMozySEUlwo64vJKCuATwlo/dFZ2LWe7F/gsTQ c/mse36lEp/CurDjm9SEOQuR/Aca6VKjvRyGR6g6delQIkm100ed27fvLS+c5whJXRnn xHcCp5U6f2cLZv3U8OAmpUJieDHYkdJhiPDo2bMC6ZTYsD4ZTyZUmYdi/+o39MRNkeB5 t1Nk6nKvZ2RYo+yaeTleDg60Q+UIkAeAbKPbHiiYeTHAkpuRorl+oohMjeKsuJ1RVeRS PhZo+89BXyiw06mEuWGqiCSzUwonwhQyXkM0OcBMyQMGMPXnsZrXxkbzGVQoiEOpSABB EtGw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.135.11 with SMTP id l11mr7369060qct.116.1344357992775; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.132.135 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:46:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:46:32 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Edwin L. Culp W." To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Issue with cvsup and updating RELENG_9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:46:33 -0000 I've been using cvsup for upgrading all of my installations for more years than I want to remember. I just detected that I have a problem. Configuration: supfile=/usr/local/etc/cvs-supfile and contains: *default tag=RELENG_9 *default host=cvsup15.freebsd.org *default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs *default delete use-rel-suffix src-all # doc-all cvsroot-all I run cvsup from crontab and my logfile shows: TreeList failed: Error in "/usr/local/etc/cvsup/sup/cvsroot-all/checkouts.cvs:RELENG_9": Bad header line. Delete it and try again. I just checked the Handbook to see if the tag has changed. No luck, so I assume I am missing something that I shouldn't. Maybe I should change and not use cvsup. Any suggestions appreciated. I also update ports using cvsup and is working fine. Thanks, ed From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 18:40:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C015106566B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:40:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-int03.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF4A8FC0A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-int03.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1D6160C15; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:40:50 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta15.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.119]) by une-avas-int03.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06561160C0B; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:40:47 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta15.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB7A320080; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:40:36 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta15.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta15.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta15.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cX4z6BNdUxjg; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:40:35 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.251.239.160]) by unevm-pmta15.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8E78732007C; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:40:34 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <5021612E.9070804@une.net.co> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:40:46 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <20120805162915.GB5028@hemlock.hydra> <501EE348.9020609@une.net.co> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:40:57 -0000 El 05/08/12 18:10, Wojciech Puchar escribi: >>> really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best. >> >> Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use >> L2ARC/ZIL on SSD. > if... > > better just move heavy used things on SSD and rest on HDD. really it's > fastest. > > > Yes, you can do that ... until the SSD is full From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 18:53:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB14106566B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:53:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-out02.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F958FC1D for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-out02.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B5D1C063D; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:53:22 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta16.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.118]) by une-avas-out02.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA98F1C0A37; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:53:20 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta16.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453E75200B6; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:53:16 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta16.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta16.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta16.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m25Lc-t3xh0t; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:53:15 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.251.239.160]) by unevm-pmta16.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 8C1475200C5; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:53:15 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:53:18 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> In-Reply-To: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:53:24 -0000 El 05/08/12 20:05, Anonymous Remailer (austria) escribi: >>>> I think that XFS & JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS > This is not up for discussion. > >> but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. > Too many iPads, iPhones, etc? > >> For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk > If not spelling, or grammar... > >> and speed will gonna be the differentiator. > A high-school education may well have been the differentiator, but that's > not important right now. Journaling filesystems are not known for speed. > EXT2 will probably outperform ZFS as far as NFS servers go. English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes. ZFS is the way to go if you need consistency + speed on a NFS server/service. > > -- > Speed "Will" Gonna > Be The Differentiator > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 18:54:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9474A1065704 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-out02.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539558FC15 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 18:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-out02.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AF71C0AE0; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:54:25 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta14.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.119]) by une-avas-out02.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7110B1C0AE2; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:54:24 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta14.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809CB5C0097; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:54:17 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta14.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta14.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta14.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lJ-EhWwZ7KNf; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:54:17 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.251.239.160]) by unevm-pmta14.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A296D5C0093; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:54:16 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <5021645E.9020900@une.net.co> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:54:22 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <501D8A3D.1000707@une.net.co> <501EE212.3090403@une.net.co> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: centos@centos.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 18:54:26 -0000 El 05/08/12 18:13, Wojciech Puchar escribi: >>>> with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be >>>> the differentiator. >>> true. it is consistently slow. >>> >>> REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements. >> >> There is no tale, only a feature set: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features >> > > And everything everyone writes is always true. > Did you read the foot notes ? the subsequent links ? Regards, From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 19:14:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54869106566B for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [199.102.78.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CB58FC08 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:14:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-27-96-201.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([76.27.96.201] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SypEp-000BSG-8w for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:14:43 -0600 From: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E66C1F35-0122-4262-8B9C-7EEC67D98614"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 13:14:41 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <9BE2F3BC-1809-4B9A-9A5B-CE1EC8505BBA@shire.net> Message-Id: <3E461D46-A332-4795-9745-76BEC8D5D4EB@shire.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 76.27.96.201 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:14:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E66C1F35-0122-4262-8B9C-7EEC67D98614 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 7, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Mark Felder wrote: > jail_sysvipc_allow=3D"YES" in rc.conf should do it. Hmm I added that and rebooted the jail host system. However, the setting in = sysctl=20 security.jail.sysvipc_allowed is still 0 after the reboot # sysctl -a | grep sysvipc security.jail.param.allow.sysvipc: 0 security.jail.sysvipc_allowed: 0 # I can set security.jail.sysvipc_allowed to 1 manually. However, even = after doing that, the original fcgi problem happens when starting = apache2.2 with mod_fcgid in the configuration and being loaded [Tue Aug 07 13:09:12 2012] [emerg] (78)Function not implemented: = mod_fcgid: Can't create shared memory for size 1192488 bytes Thanks! Chad --Apple-Mail=_E66C1F35-0122-4262-8B9C-7EEC67D98614-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 19:15:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6B7106566C for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA3D8FC15 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id q77JEUKq022088 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201208071914.q77JEUKq022088@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:15:15 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 7 02:44:36 2012 > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) > From: Wojciech Puchar > To: Chris Hill > Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? > > >> That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC > > > > Jason: It looks like you may have installed the 64-bit distribution on your > > nonsense. 64-bit distribution doesn't run on 32-bit computer. *PRECISELY* why the OP is having problems. He _is_ trying to build amd64 kernel on 34-bit only processor. Unlike "Wojciech the infallible" people _do_ get things wrong on occasion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 21:10:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9817D106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0468FC0A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q77L9xWN001663; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:09:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q77L9x7x001660; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:09:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:09:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Marco Muskus In-Reply-To: <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> Message-ID: References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:10:00 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Anonymous Remailer \(austria\)" Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:10:04 -0000 > > English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes. ZFS is the way to > go if you need consistency + speed on a NFS server/service. Of course "ZFS doesn't need fsck". Until it fails. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 7 21:26:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C97C106564A for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:26:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1278FC1F for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 21:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5C03D29E; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:26:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q77LQXow007423; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:26:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:26:33 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <20120807232633.9ca51ca6.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <201208071914.q77JEUKq022088@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201208071914.q77JEUKq022088@mail.r-bonomi.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 21:26:42 -0000 On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 7 02:44:36 2012 > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Wojciech Puchar > > To: Chris Hill > > Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? > > > > >> That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC > > > > > > Jason: It looks like you may have installed the 64-bit distribution on your > > > > nonsense. 64-bit distribution doesn't run on 32-bit computer. > > *PRECISELY* why the OP is having problems. He _is_ trying to build amd64 > kernel on 34-bit only processor. > > Unlike "Wojciech the infallible" people _do_ get things wrong on occasion. That's why the statement "you may have installed the 64-bit distribution" Wojciech refered to as "nonsense": On a 32 bit system, the 64 bis OS version should not run. So the OP seems to be using the (correct!) 32 bit OS version, but trying to compile the 64 bit kernel (from /sys/amd64/conf instead of from /sys/i386/conf). Therefore, it's a matter of having chosen the wrong kernel config, not the wrong OS version. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc2sm3058082wib.0.2012.08.07.17.04.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 07 Aug 2012 17:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:04:49 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120808010449.269b4e8b@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20120807232633.9ca51ca6.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201208071914.q77JEUKq022088@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120807232633.9ca51ca6.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:26:33 +0200 Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 7 02:44:36 2012 > > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) > > > From: Wojciech Puchar > > > To: Chris Hill > > > Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? > > > > > > >> That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC > > > > > > > > Jason: It looks like you may have installed the 64-bit > > > > distribution on your > > > > > > nonsense. 64-bit distribution doesn't run on 32-bit computer. > > > > *PRECISELY* why the OP is having problems. He _is_ trying to > > build amd64 kernel on 34-bit only processor. > > > > Unlike "Wojciech the infallible" people _do_ get things wrong on > > occasion. > > That's why the statement "you may have installed the 64-bit > distribution" Wojciech refered to as "nonsense": On a 32 bit > system, the 64 bis OS version should not run. So the OP seems > to be using the (correct!) 32 bit OS version, but trying to > compile the 64 bit kernel (from /sys/amd64/conf instead of > from /sys/i386/conf). Therefore, it's a matter of having > chosen the wrong kernel config, not the wrong OS version. :-) The architecture isn't defined in GENERIC, it defaults to what's already installed. You have to explicitly set it to cross-build, and I find it hard to believe that someone would set TARGET/TARGET_ARCH to amd64 by mistake I think it's likely that it is a 64-bit installation. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 00:32:08 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD12106566B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 00:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2CF8FC19 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 00:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC75A3CF02; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:32:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q780W6Nq008513; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:32:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 02:32:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: RW Message-Id: <20120808023206.dd333046.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120808010449.269b4e8b@gumby.homeunix.com> References: <201208071914.q77JEUKq022088@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120807232633.9ca51ca6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120808010449.269b4e8b@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:32:08 -0000 On Wed, 8 Aug 2012 01:04:49 +0100, RW wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 23:26:33 +0200 > Polytropon wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2012 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote: > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 7 02:44:36 2012 > > > > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 09:41:41 +0200 (CEST) > > > > From: Wojciech Puchar > > > > To: Chris Hill > > > > Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > > > Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? > > > > > > > > >> That's the amd64 (64-bit) GENERIC > > > > > > > > > > Jason: It looks like you may have installed the 64-bit > > > > > distribution on your > > > > > > > > nonsense. 64-bit distribution doesn't run on 32-bit computer. > > > > > > *PRECISELY* why the OP is having problems. He _is_ trying to > > > build amd64 kernel on 34-bit only processor. > > > > > > Unlike "Wojciech the infallible" people _do_ get things wrong on > > > occasion. > > > > That's why the statement "you may have installed the 64-bit > > distribution" Wojciech refered to as "nonsense": On a 32 bit > > system, the 64 bis OS version should not run. So the OP seems > > to be using the (correct!) 32 bit OS version, but trying to > > compile the 64 bit kernel (from /sys/amd64/conf instead of > > from /sys/i386/conf). Therefore, it's a matter of having > > chosen the wrong kernel config, not the wrong OS version. :-) > > The architecture isn't defined in GENERIC, it defaults to what's > already installed. Yes, I think this is done in /usr/src/Makefile.inc1 where the correct GENERIC file in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf or /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf is then selected. > You have to explicitly set it to cross-build, and I > find it hard to believe that someone would set TARGET/TARGET_ARCH to > amd64 by mistake In case of a crossbuild, I assume the system would also do the proper "TARGET magic" to use the GENERIC corresponding to the requested architecture. > I think it's likely that it is a 64-bit installation. Not sure about that. How could the amd64 OS be installed and run on a i386 machine? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 03:24:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C902106564A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcomuskus@une.net.co) Received: from une-avas-out02.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41B58FC12 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 03:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (une-avas-out02.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) by myhostname.mydomain.tld (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9201C0710; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:24:03 -0500 (COT) Received: from unevm-pmta11.une.net.co (mail.une.net.co [200.13.249.119]) by une-avas-out02.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B3E1C0B3B; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:24:02 -0500 (COT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by unevm-pmta11.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CB238808D; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:23:55 -0500 (COT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unevm-pmta11.une.net.co Received: from unevm-pmta11.une.net.co ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (unevm-pmta11.une.net.co [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EsAQPqVzrjtG; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:23:55 -0500 (COT) Received: from [172.16.1.2] (unknown [190.71.52.215]) by unevm-pmta11.une.net.co (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 74AF5388088; Tue, 7 Aug 2012 22:23:53 -0500 (COT) Message-ID: <5021DBCF.4050302@une.net.co> Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2012 22:23:59 -0500 From: Marco Muskus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120714 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Anonymous Remailer \(austria\)" Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 03:24:05 -0000 El 07/08/12 16:09, Wojciech Puchar escribi: >> >> English is not my native language, so i can make mistakes. ZFS is the >> way to go if you need consistency + speed on a NFS server/service. > > Of course "ZFS doesn't need fsck". Until it fails. > Did you personally try ZFS ? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 06:49:52 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155C3106566C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 06:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0EC8FC08 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 06:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q786nkWl003258; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:49:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q786nkNd003255; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:49:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:49:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Marco Muskus In-Reply-To: <5021DBCF.4050302@une.net.co> Message-ID: References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> <5021DBCF.4050302@une.net.co> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:49:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, "Anonymous Remailer \(austria\)" Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 06:49:52 -0000 >> Of course "ZFS doesn't need fsck". Until it fails. >> > > Did you personally try ZFS ? > of course. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 06:51:43 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D851065672 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 06:51:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0D38FC1E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 06:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q786pde5003275; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:51:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q786pcus003272; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:51:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:51:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Polytropon In-Reply-To: <20120808023206.dd333046.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <201208071914.q77JEUKq022088@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20120807232633.9ca51ca6.freebsd@edvax.de> <20120808010449.269b4e8b@gumby.homeunix.com> <20120808023206.dd333046.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:51:39 +0200 (CEST) Cc: RW , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 06:51:43 -0000 > >> I think it's likely that it is a 64-bit installation. > > Not sure about that. How could the amd64 OS be installed > and run on a i386 machine? it cannot. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 07:08:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37192106566B for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:08:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56A18FC08 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 07:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7877vQJ072503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:07:58 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q7877vQJ072503 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1344409678; bh=8CHaubGkNk9iArz1PyBU5bwwEY1Jmcu6ZYGAE2PKquw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Cc:Content-Type: Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=iAHePPL6Mv0YVkpowe7TN2Mdv6Y62qdo6I6nTfeeFFJIe9mVwc6nJHkOHKA7W25Sr 4ZfHVY5EnQM0dvTHt/ql4jICnxa8h2T+awyCrlF74baM9KynNqu0iWAiNfmSl4vGEt kYbgLTBgplU9EUaVLQtMp9zddi9aW7SuZo7wyEV4= Message-ID: <5022104D.8070402@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:07:57 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA5195D1E6F5489F17009C545" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DKIM_ADSP_ALL,DKIM_SIGNED,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:08:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA5195D1E6F5489F17009C545 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 07/08/2012 22:09, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > Of course "ZFS doesn't need fsck". Until it fails. It doesn't need fsck for the normal case of filesystem corruption due to system crashes: in that case, you stand to lose maybe the last one or two IO transactions that hadn't made it onto the disk yet, but the data that was already on the disk will still be consistent. Needing fsck because the drive is failing and not able to store and retrieve data reliably any more is a whole different thing. ZFS at least will discover that this is happening due to the built-in checksumming and avoid many instances of silent corruption. What it can't do is take a filesystem containing random errors and reconstruct a pristine version from it. But then what filesystem can? Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigA5195D1E6F5489F17009C545 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAiEE0ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIxjCACeM+r4AQeOZJEb2VS5+aLViWxH oTAAnA6JfAyR+0P6NltF2J+xAWGzNrPd =UUAZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA5195D1E6F5489F17009C545-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 08:17:05 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C20F106564A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:17:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B678F8FC12 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 08:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q788Gux0003758; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 10:16:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q787JfAX003360; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:19:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:19:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Matthew Seaman In-Reply-To: <5022104D.8070402@infracaninophile.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> <5022104D.8070402@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:16:57 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 08:17:05 -0000 > Needing fsck because the drive is failing and not able to store and > retrieve data reliably any more is a whole different thing. or bad data stored because of non-disk errors. > least will discover that this is happening due to the built-in > checksumming and avoid many instances of silent corruption. What it > can't do is take a filesystem containing random errors and reconstruct a > pristine version from it. But then what filesystem can? the question is "how much can". Anyway ok i will not try anymore to stop you from your ZFS religion. 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:03:09 -0000 blackfriar wrote: > Hi everybody! > I'm wondering if it's possible to run in a "clear fashion" an NFS server > within a jail on FreeBSD 9.0. > > I'm having some issues that make me think this is not supposed to work. > I've googled it but I couldn't find much especially on releases prior > 5!! > > A quick tip would be great .... I don't really wanna waste hours on this > not very relevant issue. > > Many thanks in advance. > Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". Long answer is; NFS requires rpcbind to function. rpcbind is dependent on a network stack. Jails do not have their own network stack, they use the hosts network stack. There is some experimental software to give each jail its own network stack but I sure would not deploy a production system based on this. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 15:42:31 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7481065672 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:42:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blackfriar@inhio.eu) Received: from cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.eu (mail.inhio.eu [178.238.36.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B538FC1E for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 15:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.0.59] (blackfriar.inhio.eu [10.0.0.59]) by cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E69891075ED; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:22:50 +0200 (CEST) From: blackfriar To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-/oXhzhOzwd4jsDEQHgoS" Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:22:49 +0200 Message-ID: <1344435769.26181.3.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:42:31 -0000 --=-/oXhzhOzwd4jsDEQHgoS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Clear! Thanks a lot. On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 10:02 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: > blackfriar wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I'm wondering if it's possible to run in a "clear fashion" an NFS serve= r > > within a jail on FreeBSD 9.0. > >=20 > > I'm having some issues that make me think this is not supposed to work. > > I've googled it but I couldn't find much especially on releases prior > > 5!! > >=20 > > A quick tip would be great .... I don't really wanna waste hours on thi= s > > not very relevant issue. > >=20 > > Many thanks in advance. > >=20 >=20 > Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". >=20 > Long answer is; NFS requires rpcbind to function. rpcbind is dependent= =20 > on a network stack. Jails do not have their own network stack, they use= =20 > the hosts network stack. There is some experimental software to give=20 > each jail its own network stack but I sure would not deploy a production= =20 > system based on this. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" --=-/oXhzhOzwd4jsDEQHgoS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iQIcBAABCgAGBQJQInY4AAoJEHh31FxK1ARqVwgP+wSds0scQHzVjSK8011eEA33 N5Jgfj4yO4Qy0tF+FJSSqnLJAPsigPrK5GZwzg2+ey6zdVIrlM4PCIed2zMSchKT a/DB4SnlP7xUCZkj97u9ujwZFPerrmOnOtt1haZrrWGlNJ9VLAu3TptUR9aMa09U 73asGzurOmpnr4EWT0olzYScdz+4ldoJ5dbRlUonXj64CHW+gYNFVk1tdJqd3QaC O+2vCvjLhMlPC1QQnVN9eL5OivBi4tERy9yGiHsez8QyV938FRwNLL784YYJEBQX ccOt3PQKWJ+s3z7oNVJA5XKw9Q3IABrfXK+kVaFU/VCETZJ+AOHnEoEvJ9RxZr3n FaLkHtPpsmCGfwiK7K+LzYabtLqIl3Ksui/fAyLEV9eL9xuhuIprP/cqBJsJKVrY fYs6A42moT5lytYdATquqiS7bStS/M10s1oQlB87hZM/jMuQabSG9LfZjCd9wd7w ehYo0Pqu3ZXKgsxFaJ5ca6h4TTzdOXxCAK1IwZUFw4hLfEFaN2j7RKwwD1FRV5U5 JyKaKIwKQdFsvvRa7NBxrpzlBqOeM82XCGpx+m5Mm3CZw03XEB3X4qX521JoxTQ2 Qic1e4gYpARZfAgVCfEmnbDM7wK+sMt3zTOFfGxKV1nX71hS6w1mVKRuppz18wqO aZE7zWwNugtEnviO8Cyu =PFBN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-/oXhzhOzwd4jsDEQHgoS-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 16:55:53 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB49F106564A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED978FC14 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 16:55:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so1849021obb.13 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vHSEDu/R/iRCfC7PlNCaaJ2AhAaiIopa86buoNU26cg=; b=Gi/LcNV5sqUEt7tvfVNTEbh1ZnrQ3liGaC72+b0jmj8Biiy1ofyFW7FjwO9aSkcaVC f8p7/xKuWJlZyI8++nwfD5d3hikD5DUEkYXkn+pMcL0ky21cpuOCT1r1VDg463j1zVEC QrKtmod5CMhmXoWEZek+HElQegTb0E7FJONHU8LKGPxn/BCzVA//WJnS6pdX1nOthlMC 2qarpbHq7aw24qjy1SQ6I41DLOxodW6QtzUkAJGhi34AtxY33mNatUZ7ZyjR1U4p+IQZ WajKnGfvfLu5MtorK/LdvogKLmOCKWardc7L8hfN+LHWPq2XzNaZp1LvD4JzvBj85ei+ eXsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.47.9 with SMTP id z9mr1323888obm.58.1344444951314; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.77.4 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:55:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:55:53 -0000 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: > > Long answer is; NFS requires rpcbind to function. rpcbind is dependent on > a network stack. Jails do not have their own network stack, they use the > hosts network stack. Dealing with this has been SOP practice in jails since their inception. See man 8 jail. The best way to run the NFS server is from the jail. Running it host side is the hard part. > There is some experimental software to give each jail its own network > stack but I sure would not deploy a production system based on this. > There are a number of people who have reached the opposite decision concerning VIMAGE/VNET enabled jails. They are much easier to work with and provide nice capabilities. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:17:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2BF106566C for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from feld.me (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E57588FC08 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:17:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=wAgB0dc+fMmK51XVHUV6+R5ujWFB0yJZT3q2y0rRWqo=; b=BCsRvU/o1HLKXV0yzxxpwdxLqR+ytzEA1K+5xnl558acIx9v5O5l82LJCAlcyzsUZiNhccWdy/kD9AYakPTDsIOxsilOR9L7otYjuADRVN6xuOeWxO1lC62/lIaZrVhF; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by feld.me with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SzAoV-00043M-H5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 13:17:02 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.4) with esmtpa id 1344449813-41577-41576/5/45; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:16:53 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:16:53 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.01 (FreeBSD) X-SA-Report: ALL_TRUSTED=-1, KHOP_THREADED=-0.5, PLING_QUERY=0.279 X-SA-Score: -1.2 Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:17:03 -0000 On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:55:51 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: > > There are a number of people who have reached the > opposite decision concerning VIMAGE/VNET enabled jails. They are much > easier to work with and provide nice capabilities. I tried it on 9.0-RELEASE and was able to cause kernel panics quite easily, so I've avoided it. I expect things to be worked out by the end of the 9.x train and/or 10.0. They certainly do provide some nice capabilities, though. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 18:57:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34590106564A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132E58FC16 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 18:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 8 Aug 2012 11:57:20 -0700 Message-ID: <5022B684.7010803@a1poweruser.com> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:57:08 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2012 18:57:20.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[A38953D0:01CD7597] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:57:23 -0000 Adam Vande More wrote: > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: >> Long answer is; NFS requires rpcbind to function. rpcbind is dependent on >> a network stack. Jails do not have their own network stack, they use the >> hosts network stack. > > > Dealing with this has been SOP practice in jails since their inception. > See man 8 jail. The best way to run the NFS server is from the jail. > Running it host side is the hard part. > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=133265 The jail code maintainer says NFS server/client will not work jailed. So since you say this is SOP (standard operation procedure) then why is there no documentation available on how to do it? All the Google hits for "NFS running from Freebsd jail" end with no one got it to work. Have you done this? Do you have a procedure to post or know of a posted procedure giving step-by-step sequence to get NFS running in a jail with or without VIMAGE/VNET for Release 8.x or 9.x versions? > >> There is some experimental software to give each jail its own network >> stack but I sure would not deploy a production system based on this. >> > > There are a number of people who have reached the > opposite decision concerning VIMAGE/VNET enabled jails. They are much > easier to work with and provide nice capabilities. > Still doesn't change the FACT it's experimental! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 8 19:30:03 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE25106564A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:30:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pulley@dabus.com) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE7CB8FC0A for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:30:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aegir.dabus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aegir.dabus.com (Processor) with ESMTP id 1A4875F318 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:27:03 -0600 (MDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; b=bA4V8S/2UmQHwoRExtJE9csE7PuXcRyIpRxKhRf1ZrW9nAo9Gx+Sribp+xg+qdGcgQBb8RapaiheEUR8gEXKSUu04Yt2aub2bn0zwNVeNbTCVv0F0UldlvRiEcRGgINtjIjBAuPdNMxMwVXfloN4+YWG90I1DIfya0GFwL83x24=; c=nofws; d=dabus.com; q=dns; s=aegir1 Received: from webmail.dabus.com (aegir.dabus.com [173.14.229.218]) by aegir.dabus.com (Dabus) with ESMTPA id 4A0735F302 for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from 131.77.1.84 (SquirrelMail authenticated user pulley) by webmail.dabus.com with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:27:02 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <1344297184.74951.YahooMailClassic@web121202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 13:27:02 -0600 From: pulley@dabus.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: Why can't I set my cpu type in kernel config ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 19:30:03 -0000 >> I am installing 8.3-RELEASE on an old 900mhz pentium laptop ... it's an >> i686 CPU. >> >> By default, GENERIC has "HAMMER" as the cpu, and that isn't working. So >> I tried both: > > you've got into wrong directory > > /usr/src/sys/i386/conf is right > > /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf is wrong, unless you have 64-bit CPU which you > don't > >> >> cpu I586_CPU >> >> and: >> >> cpu I686_CPU >> > this is right setting. Another possible explanation... How old is this 900Mhz Pentium laptop? Some Pentium D/Celeron D processors (2004) are 64bit, although I don't know if they made any of the D's less than 1.2GHz... but if so the OP could have installed amd64. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 00:40:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3B5106566B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 00:40:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-announce@chthonic.com) Received: from www5.pairlite.com (www5.pairlite.com [64.130.10.15]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C778E8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 00:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from whisperer.chthonixia.net (cpe-69-203-31-23.nyc.res.rr.com [69.203.31.23]) by www5.pairlite.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D9D2A2E2BD for ; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:35:29 -0400 From: Joe Altman To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120809003529.GA90585@whisperer.chthonixia.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Upgrading emacs; Glib-warning, SIGCHLD, SIG_IGN and ECHILD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 00:40:56 -0000 Greetings.... FYI: On or about August 1 I upgraded emacs to V. 24.x and when running it, I found this error in a terminal: GLib-WARNING **: In call to g_spawn_sync(), exit status of a child process was requested but SIGCHLD action was set to SIG_IGN and ECHILD was received by waitpid(), so exit status can't be returned. This is a bug in the program calling g_spawn_sync(); either don't request the exit status, or don't set the SIGCHLD action. Then my X session would hang, and I needed to pkill emacs to regain my X session's mouse and keyboard. I found that a make config which sets GTK3 and unsets GTK2 seems to be the fix. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 03:22:49 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99861065673 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 03:22:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reckingball62@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com (mail-gh0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FED8FC12 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 03:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ghrr13 with SMTP id r13so1869172ghr.13 for ; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KoyIg2okeIlW/f+Xy9LQdEEJl70eV5xOEgawEYR8bDA=; b=bZdfA9ko4DCVahLeuSyZzhQq7ltAv/fMd0KhsigPTKxw8I46Y9PfkmdPhorw2137dh 4S96SBbTzdBmMtH8rzTWY5bhi1Th/skbkZT5HnpC3ReiThVAOGMIMULIk4F7GzYrwj/I yuKZip5KqwBeSEqtg/tS/+GE6ytlgsMdMDOziB83zU8SQu8mEClVfKYO0091+LN02yCH FkIayAoxRnd1UzLrnOwEv6yc12l6k2e9yIxT+UNHv3kT4IQ9UWXl2BV2Q5z9mMB1T1Di CDjjK+MvUfDfHY/8DALM/1Vsc/79d1il7YhEvupuqbxDNWICU8739nA2SF2K+kzkrqtM qmZQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.19.2 with SMTP id z2mr15884242ica.33.1344482562654; Wed, 08 Aug 2012 20:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.195.146 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Aug 2012 20:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2012 22:22:42 -0500 Message-ID: From: Andy Recker To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: mac powerpc ibook g3 blank screen on start up X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 03:22:49 -0000 i installed the power PC version of free BSD and put it on my mac i book g3 i was in the insulation process when i couldn't get it to work because of a few errors and i decided to turn it off and restart when i turned it back on it only booted to a blank white screen it has nothing on it and nothing is responsive i have tried to reboot the same CD i had the first thing and still just a blank screen what can i do to get BSD to work on my computer? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:43:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D7B106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 05:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C49248FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 05:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Aug 2012 05:36:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us010) with SMTP; 09 Aug 2012 01:36:15 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+W7hhGuh+W/tIDzsRkYipp7W4UM/HexVFSNif9AA RjGHKGiaP5PaIB Message-ID: <50234C4C.7040809@mail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:36:12 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: mac powerpc ibook g3 blank screen on start up X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 05:43:07 -0000 On 08/09/2012 06:22, Andy Recker wrote: > i installed the power PC version of free BSD and put it on my mac i book g3 > i was in the insulation process when i couldn't get it to work because of a > few errors and i decided to turn it off and restart when i turned it back > on it only booted to a blank white screen it has nothing on it and nothing > is responsive i have tried to reboot the same CD i had the first thing and > still just a blank screen what can i do to get BSD to work on my computer? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" When you are trying to reboot into the installation CD, are you sure you have the right boot sequence selected (CD, not HDD)? I guess on your mac it might mean restarting, holding down the option key, choosing the CD icon and the arrow on the right side. -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 05:48:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03984106566C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 05:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamie@kode5.net) Received: from kontrol.kode5.net (kontrol.kode5.net [80.229.5.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D988FC14 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 05:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (kontrol [127.0.0.1]) by kontrol.kode5.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8F6C12FE for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:50:19 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at kode5.net Received: from kontrol.kode5.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kontrol.kode5.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odgBQrI_7V3v for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:50:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by kontrol.kode5.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 18D936C133E; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:50:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 06:50:18 +0100 From: Jamie Paul Griffin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120809055018.GG25781@kontrol.kode5.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <50234C4C.7040809@mail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50234C4C.7040809@mail.com> x-operating-system: NetBSD 5.1_STABLE amd64 x-pgp-fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: mac powerpc ibook g3 blank screen on start up X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 05:48:42 -0000 == Jeff Tipton wrote on Thu 9.Aug'12 at 8:36:12 +0300 == > On 08/09/2012 06:22, Andy Recker wrote: > >i installed the power PC version of free BSD and put it on my mac i book g3 > >i was in the insulation process when i couldn't get it to work because of a > >few errors and i decided to turn it off and restart when i turned it back > >on it only booted to a blank white screen it has nothing on it and nothing > >is responsive i have tried to reboot the same CD i had the first thing and > >still just a blank screen what can i do to get BSD to work on my computer? > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > When you are trying to reboot into the installation CD, are you sure > you have the right boot sequence selected (CD, not HDD)? I guess on > your mac it might mean restarting, holding down the option key, > choosing the CD icon and the arrow on the right side. > > -Jeff Yes, it's either the 'option' key or the 'C' key; can' recall which. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 08:00:38 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB50106566C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221898FC12 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP31 ([65.55.111.137]) by blu0-omc4-s13.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 00:59:33 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [116.203.129.189] X-Originating-Email: [bourne.identity@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from bourne.identity.freebsd ([116.203.129.189]) by BLU0-SMTP31.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 00:59:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:32:02 +0530 From: Manish Jain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110712 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2012 07:59:32.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[E91819F0:01CD7604] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Linux-firefox does not start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:00:38 -0000 Hi, I installed www/linux-firefox from ports (FreeBSD 8.2/amd64). The first time it ran, it did some checks. During this time there was an unexpected power loss. Since then whenever I try to start linux-firefox, I get the error message "An instance of firefox is already. Close it or restart your system". But no solution works. I even did a 'make deinstall' followed by 'make install clean' a couple of times. All of no avail. Can anyone please point out what I need to do to get linux-firefox to start ? Thank you & -- Regards Manish Jain +91-99620-10329 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 08:38:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB51065670 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C70BA8FC12 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Aug 2012 08:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 09 Aug 2012 04:38:22 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19/4fI8ddF/deyq3LxUuPgXT5kiBhSLPYtvpmahUH km/7gFcISCy8nE Message-ID: <502376FC.6030407@mail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:38:20 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Linux-firefox does not start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:38:25 -0000 On 08/09/2012 11:02, Manish Jain wrote: > > Hi, > > I installed www/linux-firefox from ports (FreeBSD 8.2/amd64). The > first time it ran, it did some checks. During this time there was an > unexpected power loss. Since then whenever I try to start > linux-firefox, I get the error message "An instance of firefox is > already. Close it or restart your system". But no solution works. I > even did a 'make deinstall' followed by 'make install clean' a couple > of times. All of no avail. > > Can anyone please point out what I need to do to get linux-firefox to > start ? > > > Thank you & > If firefox is really running, you may try killing it. To see if it's running, as root: ps aux |grep firefox One way of killing it (a "dirty one"): killall firefox OR look up the PID number for firefox (the first number from the left) that the above ps command shows you and kill Still struggling with getting Flash to work and that's why you installed linux-firefox instead of the native one? Sorry I didn't tell you last time more specifics than just following the Handbook, I thought it was detailed enough. How did you install the linux layer? Do you have linux kernel module loaded and the linproc filesystem mounted? -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 10:50:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A2D106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36488FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 10:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415035E3BF for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:37:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.061 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.061 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, RDNS_NONE=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id sdgSaWSpaBbU for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:37:41 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (unknown [195.216.54.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC8395E3BE for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 12:37:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <502392FE.5030903@eskk.nu> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:37:50 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120728 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can't write to NTFS file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:50:02 -0000 Hi List. I'm using fusefs_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf And /dev/ad4s2 /home/mnt/windows ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 in /etc/fstab I can read the NTFS file system and copy from it but I can't copy to it. When I try copying I get "No such file or directory" Is that default behaviour? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 11:08:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EDC106566C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:08:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ahmed@aossama.net) Received: from smtp.aossama.net (smtp.master-zone.net [196.218.210.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A828FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.aossama.net (unknown [192.168.0.203]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ahmed) by smtp.aossama.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F5323EB0 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:00:32 +0200 (GMT-2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:00:32 +0200 From: Ahmed Ossama To: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: ahmed@aossama.net User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.5.1 Subject: Re: Linux-firefox does not start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:08:42 -0000 Your profile might have been damaged while it was being checked and the power loss occurred. Try $ mv .mozilla/firefox/ .mozilla/firefox.bak and start firefox again. On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:32:02 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > Hi, > > I installed www/linux-firefox from ports (FreeBSD 8.2/amd64). The > first time it ran, it did some checks. During this time there was an > unexpected power loss. Since then whenever I try to start > linux-firefox, I get the error message "An instance of firefox is > already. Close it or restart your system". But no solution works. I > even did a 'make deinstall' followed by 'make install clean' a couple > of times. All of no avail. > > Can anyone please point out what I need to do to get linux-firefox to > start ? > > > Thank you & --- Best Regards, Ahmed Ossama From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 11:12:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D93106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:12:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.t@mail.com) Received: from mailout-us.mail.com (mailout-us.mail.com [74.208.122.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8F6E8FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Aug 2012 11:12:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO blazon-pc.runningwild.local) [78.84.105.231] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us011) with SMTP; 09 Aug 2012 07:12:45 -0400 X-Authenticated: #76218138 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18eJ+kjsOoeu3kfrrbwqAdK5fiQaBZhKlxxy/oKGQ ncqngb5LuseuGI Message-ID: <50239B2A.5050701@mail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:12:42 +0300 From: Jeff Tipton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111229 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <502392FE.5030903@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <502392FE.5030903@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: Can't write to NTFS file system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:12:47 -0000 On 08/09/2012 13:37, Leslie Jensen wrote: > Hi List. > > > I'm using > > fusefs_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf > > And > > /dev/ad4s2 /home/mnt/windows ntfs rw,noauto 0 0 > > in /etc/fstab > > I can read the NTFS file system and copy from it but I can't copy to it. > > When I try copying I get > > "No such file or directory" > > Is that default behaviour? > > Thanks > > /Leslie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I think your /etc/fstabrecord should rather be: /dev/ad4s2 /home/mnt/windows ntfs-3g rw 0 0 The "ntfs" is not from the FUSE project, it's native and read-only. And the "noauto" is for keeping the file system from being mounted automatically at boot. -Jeff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 11:15:15 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8AD1065670 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:15:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thomas3sb@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350FA8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 11:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl7 with SMTP id l7so344281yen.13 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:15:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=91Q08tpZ6Sd6TjjyhtfAgslwmp2hV5KXRL+gGVC6Rrc=; b=TaVQYhmwF2eHNsYs46FDG29ItIIHLboRqfd4AUATuGttmuSBzFQniMKgpK8Mz/lp/g gTntO028L9icbOx6FWl2Q1i/aUVVtMbVw44zMxtGmvQTxYV9CgkQ+Br2zW/uPbGi8CyE Va9WNSS16qxphi8z8lPfYykpLoQNd7F/TJCA7KXJ9VPJdlMh9DotQS8c1hm7a2aLoZZK QMZ/heCssKU9iDInAI7Q5zD2DP0K+GhmdUopH0U2bYv4gfwu2ILSWDxeGLWYFnWwR40I MgCQSqrkiA9G64ZEoJnGRWB+Arn59JD7wcSrYjXSBY4MS7L6ALic/Hym9oAbWSS994VL AJfA== Received: by 10.236.115.38 with SMTP id d26mr20545849yhh.40.1344510914410; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host.domain (189.27.183.206.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br. [189.27.183.206]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c64sm1457727yhj.17.2012.08.09.04.15.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 04:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:15:04 -0300 From: Thomas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120809111504.GA5276@host.domain> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Cc: Manish Jain Subject: Re: Linux-firefox does not start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:15:15 -0000 Firefox keeps a lock file at $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/{hash.something}/lock . Delete that and try again. Or just run "firefox -no-remote -P" and create another profile. You should find backups of your bookmarks in the older profile's folder, so you can recover them. Greetings, Thomas Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 01:00:32PM +0200, Ahmed Ossama: > Your profile might have been damaged while it was being checked and the > power loss occurred. > > Try > > $ mv .mozilla/firefox/ .mozilla/firefox.bak > > and start firefox again. > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:32:02 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I installed www/linux-firefox from ports (FreeBSD 8.2/amd64). The > > first time it ran, it did some checks. During this time there was an > > unexpected power loss. Since then whenever I try to start > > linux-firefox, I get the error message "An instance of firefox is > > already. Close it or restart your system". But no solution works. I > > even did a 'make deinstall' followed by 'make install clean' a couple > > of times. All of no avail. > > > > Can anyone please point out what I need to do to get linux-firefox to > > start ? > > > > > > Thank you & > > --- > Best Regards, > Ahmed Ossama > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:52:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ADD106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:52:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dudegolden@yahoo.com) Received: from nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm35-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.238.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C8BD8FC08 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 14:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm35.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 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boundary="-318397788-1920231172-1344523941=:96245" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: kernel panic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: dude golden List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:52:24 -0000 ---318397788-1920231172-1344523941=:96245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0ADear Matthew,=0A=0Ahope my email find you well,first of all thank you= very much for your grate response always in answering my emails,=0Anow i a= m using freeBSD 8.3 in a Intel corI5 server with 12 G of RAM and 500 G HDD = sata .we have a voip soft switch application installed on it and do telecom= munication business, yesterday night we experience a strange kernel panic a= nd our server hanged, just contact collocation as asked for physical reboot= ,=A0=0A=0Ain attached, you can find screen shot of rebooting the server . i= really thank full if you take a look and advise me any update.=0A=0Alookin= g forward to hear from your side soon.=0A=0Aregards =0A=0A=0Ashan ---318397788-1920231172-1344523941=:96245-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 14:55:00 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E371065674 for ; 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Thu, 09 Aug 2012 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.104 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.49.104 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:54:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 07:54:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Thompson, Paige" To: Gmail Team X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnaekRh5bHa5B4IIDd/i6MTFKefWEYztxAXs/FSBpgDeaCC6r/7FsG5qWPhq/uXcdW2d3fS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, 792889b7@gmail.com Subject: Re: (#87581243) Gmail Forwarding Confirmation - Receive Mail from 792889b7@gmail.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:55:00 -0000 Lol On Aug 5, 2012 1:01 PM, "Gmail Team" wrote: > 792889b7@gmail.com has requested to automatically forward mail to your > email > address freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. > Confirmation code: 87581243 > > To allow 792889b7@gmail.com to automatically forward mail to your address, > please click the link below to confirm the request: > > > https://isolated.mail.google.com/mail/vf-8b8057926a-freebsd-questions%40freebsd.org-ZCrBKm329rqlkkSwdB7jbBUVGT8 > > If you click the link and it appears to be broken, please copy and paste it > into a new browser window. 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Then, click 'Contact Us' along the bottom of the > Help Center. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 15:09:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D28106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:09:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mgamsjager@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com (mail-vb0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 797368FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbmv11 with SMTP id v11so632547vbm.13 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:09:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=BJfiICzYBKNUH45HxeB0vsuwvLlI/moBHyIihscDneI=; b=LqMhfE8Qi2QbQGwBXzP2fkgKMueQuUnd43oY5P/Iu6cOTyWfOSvC0dp9JzSX3i+ngN /uD8V3dEAaLTVPawfzh3U00ddDGzT72DdvNMalTmypWskW2OgTGLNEPEYBFv70TpPIfl jIFtPRli/rwITmSk7nOBrvuaUtH/UGjk/skExtke+8oDdME3A2njJIn1xb/g1vcW9FF/ OlREcKm+WIN6O97tNxYwRwgr0OLMspP2wezlh2JWKZe9XFHAE0z89LBzWZrrnau9pWvW wuD5vF06CxgYGX4UMJHprw2wfIuf4F0gedQr3EGcyKu5Fua9sDsf4zWHb3f9X7LrTP1T R6EA== Received: by 10.52.72.79 with SMTP id b15mr15019953vdv.13.1344524985734; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 08:09:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.128.204 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:09:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> <5022104D.8070402@infracaninophile.co.uk> From: Matthias Gamsjager Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:09:14 +0200 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:09:46 -0000 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Wojciech Puchar < wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote: > Needing fsck because the drive is failing and not able to store and >> retrieve data reliably any more is a whole different thing. >> > > or bad data stored because of non-disk errors. > > > in this case any filesystem will store the wrong data. This has little to do with ZFS. Beside in production one should run with ECC memory to eliminate the possibility of incorrect data from memory From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 15:30:39 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D276106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE488FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q79FUSKk090243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 16:30:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q79FUSKk090243 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q79FUSKk090243; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <5023D78D.6070404@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:30:21 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dude golden References: <1340356289.73682.YahooMailNeo@web160602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <4FE448AF.5070906@FreeBSD.org> <1344523551.88887.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1344523941.96245.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1344523941.96245.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9DE1341A574121C7113C9E71" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: kernel panic X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:30:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9DE1341A574121C7113C9E71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/08/2012 15:52, dude golden wrote: > hope my email find you well,first of all thank you very much for your > grate response always in answering my emails, now i am using freeBSD > 8.3 in a Intel corI5 server with 12 G of RAM and 500 G HDD sata .we > have a voip soft switch application installed on it and do > telecommunication business, yesterday night we experience a strange > kernel panic and our server hanged, just contact collocation as asked > for physical reboot, > in attached, you can find screen shot of rebooting the server . i > really thank full if you take a look and advise me any update. The freebsd-questions@ probably won't have seen the screen shot, but it showed me that the problem was in ffs_blkfree, ie. that the system panicked because of filesystem corruption. Unfortunately you haven't enabled a dump device, so no more detailed debugging info will be available. There's not a huge amount that can be determined just from the panic screen unfortunately. However, in terms of general advice: * You need to ensure that there is no lingering filesystem corruption which could trigger a repeat. Reboot the system into single user mode, and then run: fsck -fy /dev/ad7s4a etc. for all the devices listed in /etc/fstab or elsewhere that have active filesystems on them. Run fsck like that repeatedly for each partition until it says 'filesystem clean.' * Enable system dumps, so if this happens again, there is more to go on. Just add: dumpdev=3D"AUTO" to /etc/rc.conf and reboot. * The problem could well be due to disk malfunction, or maybe something as trivial as a loose or kinked data cable leading to the drive, or overheating. Powering the machine down, opening the case and checking for any obvious problems would be a good idea. Also, check the system logs to see if there are any kernel messages indicating non-fatal trouble. Install the sysutils/smartmontools port and use that to get a health report on the drive: smartctl -A /dev/ad7 * It seems you don't have any sort of hard drive resilience set up. If this server is important for your business, then using mirrored hard drives is just plain common sense. If there's room in the chassis, simply adding another drive identical to the one you have and setting up gmirror RAID should be fairly simple and will offer adequate levels of protection against such failures. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig9DE1341A574121C7113C9E71 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAj15QACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyvVQCggWJEyPT32cqC8XxRksJW9N+f 7f8An2mit/QwP+DpI0d4rpf/uJ2T2p9L =BmWg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9DE1341A574121C7113C9E71-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 15:41:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0B5106566B for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FB08FC16 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:41:09 -0700 Message-ID: <5023DA10.5070702@a1poweruser.com> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 11:41:04 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" References: <9BE2F3BC-1809-4B9A-9A5B-CE1EC8505BBA@shire.net> <3E461D46-A332-4795-9745-76BEC8D5D4EB@shire.net> In-Reply-To: <3E461D46-A332-4795-9745-76BEC8D5D4EB@shire.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2012 15:41:09.0448 (UTC) FILETIME=[65B03480:01CD7645] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:41:33 -0000 Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: > On Aug 7, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Mark Felder wrote: > >> jail_sysvipc_allow="YES" in rc.conf should do it. > > Hmm > > I added that and rebooted the jail host system. However, the setting in sysctl > > security.jail.sysvipc_allowed is still 0 after the reboot > > # sysctl -a | grep sysvipc > security.jail.param.allow.sysvipc: 0 > security.jail.sysvipc_allowed: 0 > # > > I can set security.jail.sysvipc_allowed to 1 manually. However, even after doing that, the original fcgi problem happens when starting apache2.2 with mod_fcgid in the configuration and being loaded > > [Tue Aug 07 13:09:12 2012] [emerg] (78)Function not implemented: mod_fcgid: Can't create shared memory for size 1192488 bytes > > > Thanks! > Chad > > Since you manually installed apache22 and mod_fcgid from up-stream sources maybe you missed something. As a test create another jail and install the package versions of apache22 and mod_fcgid and see if that will start ok. If it does them you know you missed something in your hand job version. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 17:54:58 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A5D106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19188FC1A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 17:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C69AE6574; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:56:56 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=LC2CI/alrjEw ceU0yEZr1eXqyhs=; b=DE3+qTg8Hr4VTpbG5m/f1XU3diwNwEVlRkbIbNWoSyuS bC7WlZYj871L/k5KJTn42fCA4XtBU+hA2ZvvFoq/qV9lpzicv/1Hs5Xnj6X7Y/Bd RTPKOisGT0mzMRd/3Ztfy8CIfeeXGB4Fx/YNtnvdWwUWrRcZOjBZkbjXIwciLhc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=message-id :date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=mgMk4S vEHGdG7NpUmfOtJtkJPziekw1N4o/ZyBV5YgohPl6OJ8XZpTjGYJoJEszhlVoMe9 2dCMk6fkqYdAKjTOEzxsMO6bK7XnBLRkHAZph3VLReuAcbWbw1GozzrYlOk+c6nw o1ZOkxX62qCv+NqEJh9+Tgo2A03ejew5z4mZQ= Received: from [192.168.2.11] (unknown [93.89.81.205]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFFD5E6269; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:56:55 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <5023F968.2070506@cran.org.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:54:48 +0100 From: Bruce Cran User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Gamsjager References: <793d6519ca3648de7634faff1829b9f7@remailer.privacy.at> <5021641E.4030206@une.net.co> <5022104D.8070402@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 17:54:58 -0000 On 09/08/2012 16:09, Matthias Gamsjager wrote: > Beside in production one should run with ECC memory to eliminate > the possibility of incorrect data from memory ECC doesn't detect all memory errors. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 18:10:21 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0159C106567A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7128D8FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 18:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (c80-217-70-175.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.70.175]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id q79I9QJm050157; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 20:09:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <5023FC4E.6010708@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 20:07:10 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120808 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manish Jain References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux-firefox does not start X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:10:21 -0000 On 2012-08-09 10:02, Manish Jain wrote: > > Hi, > > I installed www/linux-firefox from ports (FreeBSD 8.2/amd64). The first > time it ran, it did some checks. During this time there was an > unexpected power loss. Since then whenever I try to start linux-firefox, > I get the error message "An instance of firefox is already. Close it or > restart your system". But no solution works. I even did a 'make > deinstall' followed by 'make install clean' a couple of times. All of no > avail. > > Can anyone please point out what I need to do to get linux-firefox to > start ? You need to remove the .parentlock file which is at /usr/home/"user"/.mozilla/firefox/random.default/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 22:21:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855A81065675 for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:21:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chertus@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-f182.google.com (mail-we0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B178FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 22:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by weyx56 with SMTP id x56so748104wey.13 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xXvkXtOoLt06GaDwscBULi90tLr7mG0ZVniI3BqftU0=; b=rb+8NiGz4un6aW73qxb4ZwZzcuYhxEYwyakd+XodiXLuDM5HkEHz9MTvy5wI1dbhbA 3gv9rud9Xg+vkgFWgvepZcoTFpm5sP33sZq6FdPlWgu5su1v1qh7S8LkUmv0/s7w/eft 8+fT4za/7keTIQUYY8OGoXIGky8/CfK3FXcPUB2d/kFaYhlBBePUirnLPOLsJsJpuCxJ BKiZ3d2fCkmax1UEnSI/HcAcYwu5IGdE/bmeyzu3Z3IDrOMUP17F0N+Ok1+grZR3/VyE SrE7DEQUYqE9bet0vBHOMiUNTg7hbuevXtyryjEtyn6NceuMm5+wwpnageGFFSmegjwV b3TQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.104.197 with SMTP id gg5mr261514wib.9.1344550888731; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.198.130 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:21:28 +0400 Message-ID: From: =?KOI8-R?B?4dLUxc0g+tXKy8/X?= To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Clang with libc++ doesn't find quuick_exit() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 22:21:30 -0000 Hi, I can't build anything with clang & libc++ What am I doing wrong? > clang++ -stdlib=libc++ test1.cpp -o x In file included from test1.cpp:1: /usr/include/c++/v1/cstdlib:134:9: error: no member named 'at_quick_exit' in the global namespace using ::at_quick_exit; ~~^ /usr/include/c++/v1/cstdlib:135:9: error: no member named 'quick_exit' in the global namespace using ::quick_exit; ~~^ 2 errors generated. A part of /usr/include/stdlib.h #if __ISO_C_VISIBLE >= 2011 || __cplusplus >= 201103L _Noreturn void quick_exit(int); int at_quick_exit(void (*)(void)); #endif /* __ISO_C_VISIBLE >= 2011 */ > clang++ -v -stdlib=libc++ -D__ISO_C_VISIBLE=2011 test1.cpp -o x FreeBSD clang version 3.1 (branches/release_31 156863) 20120523 Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.0 Thread model: posix "/usr/bin/clang++" -cc1 -triple x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.0 -emit-obj -mrelax-all -disable-free -main-file-name test1.cpp -mrelocation-model static -mdisable-fp-elim -masm-verbose -mconstructor-aliases -munwind-tables -target-cpu x86-64 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -v -resource-dir /usr/bin/../lib/clang/3.1 -D __ISO_C_VISIBLE=2011 -fmodule-cache-path /var/tmp/clang-module-cache -stdlib=libc++ -fdeprecated-macro -fdebug-compilation-dir /home/42/gw/new-iface -ferror-limit 19 -fmessage-length 90 -mstackrealign -fgnu-runtime -fobjc-runtime-has-arc -fobjc-runtime-has-weak -fobjc-dispatch-method=non-legacy -fcxx-exceptions -fexceptions -fdiagnostics-show-option -fcolor-diagnostics -o /tmp/test1-jPurFk.o -x c++ test1.cpp clang -cc1 version 3.1 based upon LLVM 3.1 default target x86_64-unknown-freebsd9.0 ignoring nonexistent directory "/usr/bin/../lib/clang/3.1/include" #include "..." search starts here: #include <...> search starts here: /usr/include/c++/v1 /usr/include/clang/3.1 /usr/include End of search list. In file included from test1.cpp:1: /usr/include/c++/v1/cstdlib:134:9: error: no member named 'at_quick_exit' in the global namespace using ::at_quick_exit; ~~^ /usr/include/c++/v1/cstdlib:135:9: error: no member named 'quick_exit' in the global namespace using ::quick_exit; ~~^ 2 errors generated. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 23:10:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F168A106566C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve.roome@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E748FC0A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibhm11 with SMTP id hm11so641999wib.13 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:10:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=kIEwp5hrAxIMJU5RzDfw4poDh3yJ66n7N3P4ocPFjY8=; b=TkClAJZkg8iHbMHOqBWjF5R+C2975yD5LbFGwj0asA6ahsK4yRB7/17A9hBJ/ub5zs lZLv0JzOB5vDHzoNd4kMWcQ5lDgEdvHWv58/fHdtRDoemaZDV+ZcOanCmWaaNADFSKv9 0z+SJa8IiiSl8kbucMCPpjA3VmuYreRsPtWDfK0WleLS9r0ad9/xw9G8+awSd40fHiky aK4+1ag1uHQv5f/7yUzEdF7vh90Y7BX050RiycWaFjEL5H1Xjh1SAssWQgVx9rF1/y8I SpEQG0wqd/k0lWVLhOyJPrYsCqlbHCRBxXLox9q1dJGJYl47+Py6gqwetbgQ4PDm33Xs 4jGQ== Received: by 10.180.86.133 with SMTP id p5mr503371wiz.17.1344553849421; Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:10:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tv.home.firejug.net (cpc1-aztw2-0-0-cust1454.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com. [82.32.13.175]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ck9sm6419756wib.2.2012.08.09.16.10.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Aug 2012 16:10:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:10:46 +0100 From: Steve Roome To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120809231045.GA12535@tv.home.firejug.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Apple Aluminium Keyboard (w/ numpad) woe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:10:51 -0000 Hi all, has anyone got any pointers for why my Apple (A1243) wired USB keyboard (with numpad, gb/uk model) doesn't want to report > F13 (and some other keys). This is on 9.0, though it was the same on 8, 7, and IIRC, 6. It's clear that the ukbd driver sees the key presses (see below), but I can't seem to get them to be recognised by syscons. (Even with a syscons keymap where all the NUL's have become '*') With ukbd debug via the sysctl I see the following, so clearly ukbd gets the keys (this output is from pressing, Return, F13, F14, F15) ... but why doesn't syscons get the keys ? Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x28 (40) pressed Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:09 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x428 (1064) released Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x28 Aug 9 23:41:10 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x28 (40) pressed Aug 9 23:41:11 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:11 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:11 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x428 (1064) released Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x68 Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x68 (104) pressed Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:12 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x468 (1128) released Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x69 Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x69 (105) pressed Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:13 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x469 (1129) released Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: [0] = 0x6a Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x6a (106) pressed Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0000 Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0x46a (1130) released Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: actlen=8 bytes Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_intr_callback: modifiers = 0x0001 Aug 9 23:41:14 tv kernel: ukbd_put_key: 0xe0 (224) pressed Thanks very much, and apologies if there's a known answer, it's not something I've managed to find yet if it is. Steve Roome P.S. I'm hoping for an obvious hint or flag somewhere to set, but I'm open to doing a bit of code if that's the only way. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 9 23:35:12 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7726E106564A for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:35:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373F78FC0C for ; Thu, 9 Aug 2012 23:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0638F27B93; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:35:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q79NZ4Ie003840; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:35:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:35:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Steve Roome Message-Id: <20120810013504.a3cdc680.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20120809231045.GA12535@tv.home.firejug.net> References: <20120809231045.GA12535@tv.home.firejug.net> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apple Aluminium Keyboard (w/ numpad) woe X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:35:12 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:10:46 +0100, Steve Roome wrote: > Hi all, has anyone got any pointers for why my Apple (A1243) > wired USB keyboard (with numpad, gb/uk model) doesn't want to > report > F13 (and some other keys). Seems to be related not only to this model. I have the old version here ("white plastic", german layout), and F13-F16 and the four keys on the top right don't seem to generate anything. I've checked both text mode and xev (in X) - and made almost the same observations as you did. I don't have that kind of strange behaviour with other multifunctional keyboards (Sun type 6 and 7, german layout). > Thanks very much, and apologies if there's a known answer, it's > not something I've managed to find yet if it is. Sorry, no solution here, only confirmation... :-( -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 06:12:36 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E3E6106566C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:12:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDCE8FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7A6CMHN002910; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:12:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7A6CMea002907; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:12:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:12:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:12:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:12:36 -0000 >> >> Many thanks in advance. >> > > Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". > but user space nfsd works. in ports - unfsd From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 07:09:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF48F106566C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bunchou@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bk0-f54.google.com (mail-bk0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 734438FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkcje9 with SMTP id je9so489386bkc.13 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:09:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RY3nEfKHeS2nD7RGnxOHlwsua2tIfZwr0I4BBccagL4=; b=DbRu+TBVzvpqQ6WnvDSKXfHC7nSitZmQuTdjI3V+LNoX3wrtChheueKrGExJmDuPkV Ux47XNkbqOdUXRDIJgKFsgt3DYl0YEsMYVWuD7VtwXFE23li4Z6ZnY4yumqzttjg7nx7 MMz09Ln0uC0gDN1vpH50YJzR+zJCz7g9++mAXZK1kUv8in7nd3XpBCcxWgORkKaxzLsk 4OULZCzSJnwIa0C7wsfz9GZyQACULCiN3Oh5eQxIxRcgw2kSlK6AltU5K7VcDne6Nxse 5v3xUY8/49ZTMvsKhHVMJcH9kbIMQRZbr9vLPhBISNpgha8zapXsd/BLGQs3Q3AXd9Ro 7qeA== Received: by 10.204.132.77 with SMTP id a13mr738343bkt.99.1344582566081; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kuro.5550h.net (p5DC27253.dip.t-dialin.net. [93.194.114.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hg13sm1586572bkc.7.2012.08.10.00.09.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 00:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:09:15 +0200 From: "=?UTF-8?B?5paH6bOl?=" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20120810090915.3883c652@kuro.5550h.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Clang with libc++ doesn't find quuick_exit() X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:09:28 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:21:28 +0400 =D0=90=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B5=D0=BC =D0=97=D1=83=D0=B9=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=B2 wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I can't build anything with clang & libc++ > What am I doing wrong? >=20 >=20 > > clang++ -stdlib=3Dlibc++ test1.cpp -o x > In file included from test1.cpp:1: > /usr/include/c++/v1/cstdlib:134:9: error: no member named > 'at_quick_exit' in the global namespace > using ::at_quick_exit; > ~~^ > /usr/include/c++/v1/cstdlib:135:9: error: no member named > 'quick_exit' in the global namespace > using ::quick_exit; > ~~^ > 2 errors generated. >=20 >=20 >=20 > A part of /usr/include/stdlib.h >=20 > #if __ISO_C_VISIBLE >=3D 2011 || __cplusplus >=3D 201103L > _Noreturn void > quick_exit(int); > int at_quick_exit(void (*)(void)); > #endif /* __ISO_C_VISIBLE >=3D 2011 */ > Hi, quick_exit() has only become available in C++ as part of the C++11 standard. Thus you will have to invoke clang++ as follows: clang++ -std=3Dc++11 -stdlib=3Dlibc++ test1.cpp -o x or '-std=3Dc++0x' if you're using an older version of clang++ Best regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:36:33 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B08106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37868FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by kukulies.org (Postfix, from userid 5001) id DB1811AD860; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:28:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on kukulies.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=2.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 519F21AD85F for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:28:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5024D442.6090707@kukulies.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:28:34 +0200 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: weird problem with 9.0 Release and ed0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:36:34 -0000 The problem need not to be confined to 9.0. It stated to develop under 5.1 already. I'm running a natd gateway machine that was developing strange behaviour such that the outside interface (ed0, BNC connector) that was connected via a small media converter switch to the providers sync line had dropouts. The machine couldn't ping into the Internet and also couldn't be pinged. I first thought it was the switch/media converter, but another (Windows XP) machine that was on the same BNC cable worked flawlessly. So I decided to migrate that 5.1 machine to a 9.0 machine. The situation now is that I have the9.0 machine at the BNC cable and simultanously the old FreeBSD 5.1 gateway on the same BNC cable but through a TP adapter. This was the old machine works fine and I can care about the new machine. Is there a known problem with ed0 cards that have the Realtek 8029 chipset. Do they need some special flags like memory mapping or irq? When I for example boot the 9.0 machine the comping up of the em0 (on mainboard interface results in a highlighted kernel message on the console. The coming up of the ed0 is not flagged this way. And as a result the ed0 interface seems to be dead. Here some excerpts of dmesg: em0: port 0x4400-0x441f mem 0x93100000-0x9311ffff,0x93124000-0x93124fff irq 20 at device 25.0 on pci0 em0: Using an MSI interrupt em0: Ethernet address: 00:1c:c0:37:b2:9f ed0: port 0x1000-0x101f irq 22 at device 1.0 on pci7 ed0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a I also see this: Jul 30 23:03:54 forum ntpd[1711]: unable to create socket on ed0 (20) for fe80:: 2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a#123 Help appreciated. -- Christoph Kukulies From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 09:40:42 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F13106566B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:40:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0138FC16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by kukulies.org (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 62AA71AD860; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:40:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on kukulies.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=2.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31C291AD85F for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5024D715.9030409@kukulies.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:40:37 +0200 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5024D442.6090707@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <5024D442.6090707@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: weird problem with 9.0 Release and ed0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:40:42 -0000 Am 10.08.2012 11:28, schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > The problem need not to be confined to 9.0. It stated to develop under > 5.1 already. read: started to develop... > > I'm running a natd gateway machine that was developing strange > behaviour such that the > outside interface (ed0, BNC connector) that was connected via a small > media converter switch to > the providers sync line had dropouts. The machine couldn't ping into > the Internet and also couldn't be pinged. > > I first thought it was the switch/media converter, but another > (Windows XP) machine that was on the > same BNC cable worked flawlessly. > > So I decided to migrate that 5.1 machine to a 9.0 machine. The > situation now is that I have the9.0 machine > at the BNC cable and simultanously the old FreeBSD 5.1 gateway on the > same BNC cable but through a > TP adapter. This was the old machine works fine and I can care about > the new machine. > > Is there a known problem with ed0 cards that have the Realtek 8029 > chipset. Do they need some > special flags like memory mapping or irq? > > When I for example boot the 9.0 machine the comping up of the em0 (on > mainboard interface results in a highlighted > kernel message on the console. The coming up of the ed0 is not flagged > this way. And as a result the > ed0 interface seems to be dead. > > > Here some excerpts of dmesg: > em0: port 0x4400-0x441f > mem 0x93100000-0x9311ffff,0x93124000-0x93124fff irq 20 at device 25.0 > on pci0 > em0: Using an MSI interrupt > em0: Ethernet address: 00:1c:c0:37:b2:9f > > ed0: port 0x1000-0x101f irq 22 at device 1.0 on pci7 > ed0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a > > I also see this: > Jul 30 23:03:54 forum ntpd[1711]: unable to create socket on ed0 (20) > for fe80:: > 2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a#123 Forgot to add this info: ed0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 ether 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a inet 80.72.44.230 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 80.72.44.239 inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a%ed0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0xa nd6 options=29 media: Ethernet autoselect (10base2/BNC) -- Christoph Kukulies From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 10:11:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28AD4106566C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:11:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from blackfriar@inhio.eu) Received: from cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.eu (mail.inhio.eu [178.238.36.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80658FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.75.120.163] (89-24-91-2.i4g.tmcz.cz [89.24.91.2]) by cz-prg-mx-01.inhio.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BB2C1075EF; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:11:03 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Blackfriar Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:10:50 +0200 To: Wojciech Puchar , Fbsd8 Message-ID: <71832323-6af6-4223-a725-4a105926d62c@email.android.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:11:14 -0000 Really? Is that stable enough to serve files for months without disruption? Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Many thanks in advance. >>> >> >> Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". >> >but user space nfsd works. in ports - unfsd -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 10:39:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5EE106566B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuku@kukulies.org) Received: from kukulies.org (mail.kukulies.org [78.47.239.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AA68FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by kukulies.org (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 0C15C1AD860; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:39:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on kukulies.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=2.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from [172.27.4.215] (unknown [87.79.34.228]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kukulies.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D76E1AD85F for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:39:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5024E4E8.3010606@kukulies.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:39:36 +0200 From: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5024D442.6090707@kukulies.org> <5024D715.9030409@kukulies.org> In-Reply-To: <5024D715.9030409@kukulies.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: weird problem with 9.0 Release and ed0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:39:40 -0000 Am 10.08.2012 11:40, schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > Am 10.08.2012 11:28, schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: >> The problem need not to be confined to 9.0. It stated to develop >> under 5.1 already. > read: started to develop... >> >> I'm running a natd gateway machine that was developing strange >> behaviour such that the >> outside interface (ed0, BNC connector) that was connected via a small >> media converter switch to >> the providers sync line had dropouts. The machine couldn't ping into >> the Internet and also couldn't be pinged. >> >> I first thought it was the switch/media converter, but another >> (Windows XP) machine that was on the >> same BNC cable worked flawlessly. >> >> So I decided to migrate that 5.1 machine to a 9.0 machine. The >> situation now is that I have the9.0 machine >> at the BNC cable and simultanously the old FreeBSD 5.1 gateway on the >> same BNC cable but through a >> TP adapter. This was the old machine works fine and I can care about >> the new machine. >> >> Is there a known problem with ed0 cards that have the Realtek 8029 >> chipset. Do they need some >> special flags like memory mapping or irq? >> >> When I for example boot the 9.0 machine the comping up of the em0 (on >> mainboard interface results in a highlighted >> kernel message on the console. The coming up of the ed0 is not >> flagged this way. And as a result the >> ed0 interface seems to be dead. >> >> >> Here some excerpts of dmesg: >> em0: port 0x4400-0x441f >> mem 0x93100000-0x9311ffff,0x93124000-0x93124fff irq 20 at device 25.0 >> on pci0 >> em0: Using an MSI interrupt >> em0: Ethernet address: 00:1c:c0:37:b2:9f >> >> ed0: port 0x1000-0x101f irq 22 at device 1.0 on pci7 >> ed0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a >> >> I also see this: >> Jul 30 23:03:54 forum ntpd[1711]: unable to create socket on ed0 (20) >> for fe80:: >> 2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a#123 > > Forgot to add this info: > > ed0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > ether 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a > inet 80.72.44.230 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 80.72.44.239 > inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a%ed0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0xa > nd6 options=29 > media: Ethernet autoselect (10base2/BNC) > Must add some more info: My kernel config: cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident DIVERT makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=10 options IPDIVERT options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT (the rest like in GENERIC). Strange thing: I cannot ping neither the outside interface address nor the inside (172.27.2.115) -- Christoph Kukulies From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 08:50:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68F4106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:50:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hamed@windowslive.com) Received: from snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E3D8FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SNT133-W60 ([65.55.90.201]) by snt0-omc4-s21.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 01:49:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [77.64.72.34] From: Hamed M To: Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:49:17 +0300 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2012 08:49:18.0780 (UTC) FILETIME=[07653FC0:01CD76D5] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:13:41 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:50:24 -0000 DQogDQpDYW4gSSBydW4gUFMzIGdhbWVzIG9uIHRoZSBzeXN0ZW0gRlJFRUJTRD8gCQkgCSAgIAkJ ICA= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 12:36:06 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAFE1065673 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C4E8FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 05:36:06 -0700 Message-ID: <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:36:04 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2012 12:36:06.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6386760:01CD76F4] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:36:06 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>> >>> Many thanks in advance. >>> >> >> Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". >> > but user space nfsd works. in ports - unfsd > > Close but no cigar. In the ports system it's named unfs3 and described as UNFS3 is a user-space implementation of the NFSv3 server specification. It provides a daemon for the MOUNT and NFS protocols, which are used by NFS clients for accessing files on the server. http://unfs3.sourceforge.net/ Now here is the KEY. No where does it say it has the "server" side function, only the client side. But it does have 18k downloads even though it's labeled as beta version. So the question back to Wojciech Puchar is; are you running this unfs3 in a client jail on one pc and the server side in a jail on the host? Put another way can you confirm from experience that this unfs3 port has both client and service side support and that it does work when installed in a client jail and host server jail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 13:32:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5111065702 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087368FC15 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.37]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 09:32:12 -0400 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 4.3.4-GA) with ESMTP id BPY30255; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:32:12 -0400 Received-SPF: None identity=pra; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: Neutral identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible; x-record-type="v=spf1" Received-SPF: None identity=helo; client-ip=209.6.86.84; receiver=smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net; envelope-from="roberthuff@rcn.com"; x-sender="postmaster@jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received: from 209-6-86-84.c3-0.smr-ubr2.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.86.84]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 10 Aug 2012 09:32:12 -0400 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20517.3419.673436.191619@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:32:11 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr17.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: partial sendmail breakage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:32:14 -0000 I have a machine (call it ADAM) running: FreeBSD 10.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Jul 24 08:55:46 EDT 2012 amd64 which has had no change to the mail components since that time. Approximately 12 hours ago, something in sendmail broke. Symptoms: 1) It works as a relay. I can send mail to ADAM from ADAM and from other machines for forwarding, and the forwarding happens correctly. 2) Fetchmail on ADAM no longer fetches. 3) Mail sent between users on ADAM never shows up. I have restarted sendmail and get this in /var/log/messages: Aug 10 08:26:56 jerusalem sm-mta[87853]: sql_select option missing Aug 10 08:26:56 jerusalem sm-mta[87853]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism available I'm (obviously) not a sendmail expert; what other information should I provide to help figure out what went wrong? Respectfully, Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 13:38:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B124106566B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rosettas@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447D28FC20 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so3021567obb.13 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5D85Z64Lva7JpAFql3P4P2onTiQXqvM413qkkCerGqM=; b=gC+MAmUzrjIubQPaeCmL5ihGCg8zB79fLQtV9xGZ8GgvHsdqy6ioC3hMNSqzwDf53V kH9I3yU1JmE6BgE0XJ4Amw7tSvMhm57XHSYzpolJdnTTZ7lJGSTkmMxX9T86eDSnEVwE 4CKdlaivz1BRFpwKB/8pRKK98q1pWWmIzBJzpq17pNK6QyrGhUZb2YN0I5bukzJOI4P0 mW6K+ZwoOnS8wRNhcz9YrKfyfq6GqKVy83jbufS2q+5O9TeE3/XZGe5cMV8qIiylE3M3 UR/dLfBrvo99QWXKBxh7mx8fdSBvILxRwfnD13Yoi8fXnC2OOVHu3bTcy2UM+BU9dWgM AvXw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.172.143 with SMTP id bc15mr4028431oec.73.1344605934591; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.119.237 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:38:54 +0200 Message-ID: From: Cos To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: How to refresh network card buffer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:38:55 -0000 Hi all The background is I have around 100pcs router-like products. they all have a fixed IP address 192.168.1.100 and of course different MAC address. I need to connect them one by one to configure. The trouble is while I disconnect one unit and change to another unit, the FreeBSD can not recognize the unit immediately. It need around more than 10 minutes to ping 192.168.1.200 successfully. I can refresh it by "ifconfig ue0 down" and "ifconfig ue0 up", it works but I think the way is not smart. I guess there is something like buffer to record IP and MAC pair has to be cleaned. Could anybody advise? -- with kind regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:03:13 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63BF106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.bzerk.org [82.95.223.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472F28FC0A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7AE39cg049015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:03:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q7AE389Q049014; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:03:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:03:08 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Cos Message-ID: <20120810140308.GA49001@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Cos , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AUTHD_RELAY, BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:03:11 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to refresh network card buffer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:03:13 -0000 Try arp -ad On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 03:38:54PM +0200, Cos typed: > Hi all > > The background is I have around 100pcs router-like products. they all > have a fixed IP address 192.168.1.100 and of course different MAC > address. > > I need to connect them one by one to configure. > > The trouble is while I disconnect one unit and change to another unit, > the FreeBSD can not recognize the unit immediately. It need around > more than 10 minutes to ping 192.168.1.200 successfully. > > I can refresh it by "ifconfig ue0 down" and "ifconfig ue0 up", it > works but I think the way is not smart. > > I guess there is something like buffer to record IP and MAC pair has > to be cleaned. Could anybody advise? > > -- > with kind regards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:07:04 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1BB106566C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892248FC08 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6 (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7ADsxdf015526; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:46:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Cos In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20120810 #8136832, check: 20120810 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to refresh network card buffer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:07:05 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Cos wrote: > Hi all > > The background is I have around 100pcs router-like products. they all > have a fixed IP address 192.168.1.100 and of course different MAC > address. > > I need to connect them one by one to configure. > > The trouble is while I disconnect one unit and change to another unit, > the FreeBSD can not recognize the unit immediately. It need around > more than 10 minutes to ping 192.168.1.200 successfully. > > I can refresh it by "ifconfig ue0 down" and "ifconfig ue0 up", it > works but I think the way is not smart. > > I guess there is something like buffer to record IP and MAC pair has > to be cleaned. Could anybody advise? Try arp -d 192.168.1.200 as superuser to delete the MAC address from the local ip-to-mac table. dan feenberg > > -- > with kind regards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:16:23 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB51E1065672 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:16:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rosettas@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DD48FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so3078864obb.13 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=qqUs9bN5UCPz09h18yXmCzRzWoV62Qs6AisT2nuniwc=; b=LBQP0sPfhH+9YvZiwWIzq0mzdsmhDSu5/gYtgG5I4LRRIUldcUxF3XqSVANlEPhdO4 WO7P7KSsbqSSvlWShQQ9BdY16TWcJb2bRef/p0Tkv7yvp4lR976Gmgh4AMzR6erp2JV8 IMJyVioYMftjj11tnyognjeQm604YTIC9j1/nie1+HnLX/xBVtCREoy3pmfvprzrrbUx QxK7XT93Bh/t9vwYySC/CeTBE4P4yje9zNw99pe9tLHS1QuIv/Oq0o1sLtgXu2vBAM6k HTZZaNybo4gIhFV44NQCfjlmSdAGGlB0H13x2kvdnM2EK/x1rivziFoCUffWbrMuiCUj +GXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.50.68 with SMTP id a4mr4276096obo.59.1344608182845; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.119.237 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:16:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120810140308.GA49001@ei.bzerk.org> References: <20120810140308.GA49001@ei.bzerk.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:16:22 +0200 Message-ID: From: Cos To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: How to refresh network card buffer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:16:23 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Ruben de Groot wrote: > > Try > > arp -ad > Hi Thanks for you all. arp -d IP and arp -ad work fine > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 03:38:54PM +0200, Cos typed: >> Hi all >> >> The background is I have around 100pcs router-like products. they all >> have a fixed IP address 192.168.1.100 and of course different MAC >> address. >> >> I need to connect them one by one to configure. >> >> The trouble is while I disconnect one unit and change to another unit, >> the FreeBSD can not recognize the unit immediately. It need around >> more than 10 minutes to ping 192.168.1.200 successfully. >> >> I can refresh it by "ifconfig ue0 down" and "ifconfig ue0 up", it >> works but I think the way is not smart. >> >> I guess there is something like buffer to record IP and MAC pair has >> to be cleaned. Could anybody advise? >> >> -- >> with kind regards >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- with kind regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:16:51 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE2D106566C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:16:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.bzerk.org [82.95.223.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAD88FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7ADslb9048894 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:54:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q7ADskL2048893; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:54:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:54:46 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Fbsd8 Message-ID: <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Fbsd8 , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AUTHD_RELAY, BAYES_00,PLING_QUERY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:54:50 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:16:51 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:36:04AM -0400, Fbsd8 typed: > Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>> > >>>Many thanks in advance. > >>> > >> > >>Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". > >> > >but user space nfsd works. in ports - unfsd > > > > > > Close but no cigar. > > In the ports system it's named unfs3 and described as > > UNFS3 is a user-space implementation of the NFSv3 server specification. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > It provides a daemon for the MOUNT and NFS protocols, which are used by ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > NFS clients for accessing files on the server. > http://unfs3.sourceforge.net/ > > Now here is the KEY. No where does it say it has the "server" side > function, only the client side. It sais so very clearly. Ruben From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 14:42:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 607F5106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:42:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119B58FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 07:42:47 -0700 Message-ID: <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:42:45 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ruben de Groot , Fbsd8 , Wojciech Puchar , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> In-Reply-To: <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2012 14:42:47.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[68D65B00:01CD7706] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 14:42:48 -0000 Ruben de Groot wrote: > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:36:04AM -0400, Fbsd8 typed: >> Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>>> Many thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>> Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". >>>> >>> but user space nfsd works. in ports - unfsd >>> >>> >> Close but no cigar. >> >> In the ports system it's named unfs3 and described as >> >> UNFS3 is a user-space implementation of the NFSv3 server specification. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> It provides a daemon for the MOUNT and NFS protocols, which are used by > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ >> NFS clients for accessing files on the server. >> http://unfs3.sourceforge.net/ >> >> Now here is the KEY. No where does it say it has the "server" side >> function, only the client side. > > It sais so very clearly. > > Ruben > > What you say: Just 2 words further on in that sentence "used by NFS clients". Read as unfs3 is run as client to access kernel nfs on host. No where in any documentation on unfs3 does it ever say unfs3 has to be run on both client and service side. That sentence infers that unfs3 is only run on the client side. Now I do concede that the writer of that sentence may not be a native English speaker and as such fails to express fully the intent of what he was trying to say. Maybe unfs3 really has to be used on both the host server side and clients side for it to work. Or this may just be a case of the author being to close to the trees to see the forest. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 15:06:27 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F83B106566C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:06:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA3E8FC16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so3153889obb.13 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cGw4rE9Akl+M+cmuwlGFsbTeGfAIFkA0E+vY6UP01Cs=; b=icm1s97plAFJzjGTWgXhctU10vl+Vq6FpgKG0OdxDr6T9xRNpONyg5TZ7tXlvkZ5NY tfyqSsa0SCRJbmgJ1ojq2EyEDsKL/6k2gopZYVaXc9DOPBXm3pcREKzP0xAlT91y/qqB WkO2gh+woO4w8sCPfjANEiCypDcXGY9sYM1zwFF42xhWSmM9VRB3wsolZkYf0U8DxB2r dEbnOjrNb6FUpWGYGKBre+B8p8rgylNPGL32wRo/EcQKaAe2Tcetb6C2bWUinoE/EBgC yMR+4fJ0LDP8Wo4lfZcF55kJs7eDfZRX23GtD54uze9bKVz/06bMIbrjz0G2Pn3o3hsZ ELRw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.73.65 with SMTP id j1mr4584647obv.42.1344611186687; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.68.133 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:06:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5022B684.7010803@a1poweruser.com> References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <5022B684.7010803@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:06:26 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Fbsd8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:06:28 -0000 On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: > > Dealing with this has been SOP practice in jails since their inception. >> See man 8 jail. The best way to run the NFS server is from the jail. >> Running it host side is the hard part. >> >> > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/**query-pr.cgi?pr=133265 > The jail code maintainer says NFS server/client will not work jailed. So > since you say this is SOP (standard operation procedure) then why is there > no documentation available on how to do it? All the Google hits for "NFS > running from Freebsd jail" end with no one got it to work. Have you done > this? Do you have a procedure to post or know of a posted procedure giving > step-by-step sequence to get NFS running in a jail with or without > VIMAGE/VNET for Release 8.x or 9.x versions? That PR is about mounting a fs in a jail, specifically one proved by NFS. What does that have to do with the OP's question? It's quite clear you didn't read the full thing. > Still doesn't change the FACT it's experimental! Which is your sole reason for poo=pooing it? Are you talking about the arbitrary line between experimental and production? I wonder how a piece of functionality transitions from experimental to production...is it possible we get there by promoting mindshare of the new piece instead of FUD? -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 15:22:47 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0696106566B for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8194F8FC12 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:22:47 -0700 Message-ID: <50252746.80100@a1poweruser.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:22:46 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2012 15:22:47.0748 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF6FE040:01CD770B] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Subject: Any one running unfs3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:22:47 -0000 I did pkg_add -r unfs3 and that worked. But there is no documentation on how to enable it to start at boot time. The man unfsd doc is useless. Hoping some one is using this userland version of nfs. Final goal is to test on host and client and then test with them jailed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 15:27:48 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A560106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A864E8FC16 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:fa1e:dfff:feda:c0bb]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7AFRhtA015595 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:27:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk q7AFRhtA015595 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/q7AFRhtA015595; dkim=none (no signature); dkim-adsp=none Message-ID: <5025286F.7070602@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:27:43 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <20517.3419.673436.191619@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <20517.3419.673436.191619@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7EBB65CABD1FAAB22287D0E5" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: partial sendmail breakage X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:27:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig7EBB65CABD1FAAB22287D0E5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/08/2012 14:32, Robert Huff wrote: > I have restarted sendmail and get this in /var/log/messages: >=20 > Aug 10 08:26:56 jerusalem sm-mta[87853]: sql_select option missing > Aug 10 08:26:56 jerusalem sm-mta[87853]: auxpropfunc error no mechanism= available >=20 > I'm (obviously) not a sendmail expert; what other information > should I provide to help figure out what went wrong? You've implemented saslauth in this sendmail instance against some sort of SQL database. However something has caused sendmail to lose the ability to look up user accounts in that DB. Could be all sorts of things: is the DB running? Can you login to it manually using the same credentials as sendmail? Has there been any changes to DB schemas or user grants recently? How about changes to /usr/local/lib/sasl2/Sendmail.conf ? One thing you can try is turning up the log level in Sendmail.conf to get a better idea of what SASL is trying to do. Add a line log_level: N where N is an integer, bigger meaning more verbose logging. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --------------enig7EBB65CABD1FAAB22287D0E5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAlKG8ACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyLsgCfePBFfG9UV2ngvg4N5PF/3Y1s xzkAn0+5Gzwts56F5mAwrV56qpVEFQMl =RiAN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7EBB65CABD1FAAB22287D0E5-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 16:06:25 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F3F1065674 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:06:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.bzerk.org [82.95.223.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF818FC20 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:06:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q7AG6HDn050054 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:06:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id q7AG6HqZ050053; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:06:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:06:17 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Fbsd8 Message-ID: <20120810160617.GA49918@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Fbsd8 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AUTHD_RELAY, BAYES_00,PLING_QUERY autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:06:21 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:06:25 -0000 On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:42:45AM -0400, Fbsd8 typed: > Ruben de Groot wrote: > >On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 08:36:04AM -0400, Fbsd8 typed: > >>Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >>>>>Many thanks in advance. > >>>>> > >>>>Quick answer is "No, NFS only runs on the host system". > >>>> > >>>but user space nfsd works. in ports - unfsd > >>> > >>> > >>Close but no cigar. > >> > >>In the ports system it's named unfs3 and described as > >> > >>UNFS3 is a user-space implementation of the NFSv3 server specification. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>It provides a daemon for the MOUNT and NFS protocols, which are used by > > ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ > >>NFS clients for accessing files on the server. > >> http://unfs3.sourceforge.net/ > >> > >>Now here is the KEY. No where does it say it has the "server" side > >>function, only the client side. > > > >It sais so very clearly. > > > >Ruben > > > > > What you say: Just 2 words further on in that sentence "used by NFS > clients". > > Read as unfs3 is run as client to access kernel nfs on host. No you read wrong. It is a userspace daemon that provides nfs service. It is a daemon. Not a client. > No where in any documentation on unfs3 does it ever say unfs3 has to be > run on both client and service side. Because it is not a client. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 16:27:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A480A106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:27:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@rgbaz.eu) Received: from mx.800biz.com (mx.800biz.com [66.98.138.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEFE8FC17 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from titan.secsrv.net ([69.175.78.10]) by jasper.secsrv.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SzpSI-0001lt-B4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:40:46 -0400 Received: from amadeus.demon.nl ([82.161.18.200]:51736 helo=[10.0.1.101]) by titan.secsrv.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SzpSH-0007uR-0F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 08:40:45 -0500 From: FBSD UG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 15:40:37 +0200 Message-Id: <6F12D89C-6D39-4504-B0D5-144ED8E6218B@rgbaz.eu> To: FreeBSD Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jasper.secsrv.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - rgbaz.eu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: af_atalk.c error FBSD 9.0Rp4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:27:20 -0000 hello! I'm trying to buildworld on my FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE-p4 server after successfully installing the kernel, but keep running into the same error no matter what I do. I've been googling for days now and must either be looking in the wrong directions or it's not there. The error I get is the following: cc -O2 -pipe -DINET6 -DINET -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wcast-qual = -Wwrite-strings -Wnested-externs -DRESCUE -std=3Dgnu99 -fstack-protector = -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -Wno-uninitialized = -Wno-pointer-sign -c /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c: In function 'at_status': /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c:94: error: 'struct sockaddr_at' has no = member named 'sat_range' /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c: In function 'at_getaddr': /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c:123: error: 'struct sockaddr_at' has = no member named 'sat_len' /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c: In function 'at_postproc': /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig/af_atalk.c:152: error: 'struct sockaddr_at' has = no member named 'sat_range' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/rescue/rescue. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/rescue/rescue. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/rescue. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. I do also get this when I cd into /usr/src/sbin/ifconfig and type make. This is my kernelconfig I compiled the kernel with: cpu I686_CPU ident KERNEL9 options SCHED_ULE = # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION = # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET = # InterNETworking options INET6 = # IPv6 communications protocols options SCTP = # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS = # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES = # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL = # Support for access control lists options UFS_DIRHASH = # Improve performance on big directories options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable = gjournal-based UFS journaling options MD_ROOT = # MD is a potential root device options NFSCL = # New Network Filesystem Client options NFSD = # New Network Filesystem Server options NFSLOCKD = # Network Lock Manager options NFS_ROOT = # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT options MSDOSFS = # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 = # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS = # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS) options PSEUDOFS = # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID = Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL = # Provides labelization options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible = with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible = with FreeBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible = with FreeBSD6 options COMPAT_FREEBSD7 # Compatible = with FreeBSD7 options SCSI_DELAY=3D1000 = # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE = # ktrace(1) support options STACK = # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM = # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG = # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM = # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B = real-time extensions options PRINTF_BUFR_SIZE=3D128 # Prevent printf = output being interspersed. options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # = install a CDEV entry in /dev options HWPMC_HOOKS # = Necessary kernel hooks for hwpmc(4) options AUDIT = # Security event auditing options MAC = # TrustedBSD MAC Framework options KDTRACE_HOOKS # Kernel = DTrace hooks options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE # Include this = file in kernel ### added options QUOTA # quota on options XFS # XFS filesystem options GEOM_PART_APM # Apple HFS+ support options NETATALK # appletalk options KVA_PAGES=3D500 # max 500 for WineHQ options MROUTING # multicast routing = kernel module # To make an SMP kernel, the next two lines are needed device apic # I/O APIC # Bus support. device acpi device eisa device pci # Floppy drives device fdc # ATA controllers device ahci # AHCI-compatible SATA = controllers device ata # Legacy ATA/SATA controllers options ATA_CAM # Handle legacy controllers with CAM options ATA_STATIC_ID # Static device numbering # SCSI Controllers device ahc # = AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices options AHC_REG_PRETTY_PRINT # Print register bitfields in = debug = # output. Adds ~128k to driver. device aic # = Adaptec 15[012]x SCSI adapters, AIC-6[23]60. # ATA/SCSI peripherals device scbus # SCSI bus (required for ATA/SCSI) device da # Direct Access (disks) device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) device pass # Passthrough device (direct ATA/SCSI access) device ses # SCSI Environmental Services (and = SAF-TE) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc # AT keyboard controller device atkbd # AT keyboard device psm # PS/2 mouse device vga # VGA video card driver device splash # Splash screen and screen saver support # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc options SC_PIXEL_MODE # add support for the raster text mode # Power management support (see NOTES for more options) device apm device pmtimer # Parallel port device ppc device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device ppi # Parallel port interface device # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these = NICs! device miibus # MII bus support # Pseudo devices. device loop # Network loopback device random # Entropy device device ether # Ethernet support device pty # BSD-style compatibility pseudo = ttys device md # Memory "disks" device gif # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling device faith # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying = (translation) device firmware # firmware assist module # The `bpf' device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! # Note that 'bpf' is required for DHCP. device bpf # Berkeley packet filter # USB support device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse # MISCELLANEOUS DEVICES AND OPTIONS: device speaker # Play IBM BASIC-style noises = out your speaker # iscsi: device iscsi_initiator ### OPTIONS FROM OLD KERNEL (FIREWALL): options IPFIREWALL = # Include firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE # = Include firewall logging options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=3D100 # Log max=3D100 options IPDIVERT = # Include divert in firewall options IPSTEALTH = # Hide from traceroutes Has anyone run into this before or has some tips for me how to solve = this? thanks in advance Arno B= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 17:00:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682E61065672 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:00:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@li311-158.members.linode.com) Received: from li311-158.members.linode.com (unknown [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:c63e]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2118FC0C for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by li311-158.members.linode.com (Postfix, from userid 503) id 73560DCE0; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:00:08 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 503:.-.php From: PayPal Team Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20120810170008.73560DCE0@li311-158.members.linode.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:00:08 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Your account has been limited until we hear from you ! 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In any event: thanks. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 10 19:29:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59497106564A for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96098FC14 for ; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-22-218.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.22.218]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD5F2789C; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:29:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id q7AJT4On022374; Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:29:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:29:04 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Hamed M Message-Id: <20120810212904.e2517b38.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 19:29:07 -0000 On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 11:49:17 +0300, Hamed M wrote: > Can I run PS3 games on the system FREEBSD? I don't think this is possible first due to licensing restrictions, and I also assume there is no PS3 emulator available in The Ports Collection. But check it out yourself. So even if a way of PS3 emulation existed, I'm not sure you're legally allowed to run PS3 games outside of a real Sony PS3. Anyway, I'm not a typical gamer, so my short statement is ready to be corrected by someone who knows better. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 07:58:20 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E3B106566B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:58:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92738FC0C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id q7B7wAWD030195; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:58:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:58:10 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" In-Reply-To: <20120810120045.C92A91065691@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20120811171652.I93465@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20120810120045.C92A91065691@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: weird problem with 9.0 Release and ed0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:58:20 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 427, Issue 6, Message: 16 On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 12:39:36 +0200 "Christoph P.U. Kukulies" wrote: > Am 10.08.2012 11:40, schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > > Am 10.08.2012 11:28, schrieb Christoph P.U. Kukulies: > >> The problem need not to be confined to 9.0. It stated to develop > >> under 5.1 already. > > read: started to develop... > >> > >> I'm running a natd gateway machine that was developing strange > >> behaviour such that the > >> outside interface (ed0, BNC connector) that was connected via a small > >> media converter switch to > >> the providers sync line had dropouts. The machine couldn't ping into > >> the Internet and also couldn't be pinged. > >> > >> I first thought it was the switch/media converter, but another > >> (Windows XP) machine that was on the > >> same BNC cable worked flawlessly. That XP box was directly on the outside, not inside nat'd via this one? > >> So I decided to migrate that 5.1 machine to a 9.0 machine. The > >> situation now is that I have the9.0 machine > >> at the BNC cable and simultanously the old FreeBSD 5.1 gateway on the > >> same BNC cable but through a > >> TP adapter. This was the old machine works fine and I can care about > >> the new machine. Not quite clear .. can you sketch your network configuration? > >> Is there a known problem with ed0 cards that have the Realtek 8029 > >> chipset. Do they need some > >> special flags like memory mapping or irq? Long time since I've run anything with 10base2/BNC, but it used to work ok, on an ed0. > >> When I for example boot the 9.0 machine the comping up of the em0 (on > >> mainboard interface results in a highlighted > >> kernel message on the console. The coming up of the ed0 is not > >> flagged this way. And as a result the > >> ed0 interface seems to be dead. Does the outside interface have a static address, or do you use DHCP via the provider's switch/hub/whatever? Show /etc/rc.conf setup. It smells a bit like the interface may not be up soon enough at that time; the ntpd message below could also indicate something like that re ipv6. > >> Here some excerpts of dmesg: > >> em0: port 0x4400-0x441f > >> mem 0x93100000-0x9311ffff,0x93124000-0x93124fff irq 20 at device 25.0 > >> on pci0 > >> em0: Using an MSI interrupt > >> em0: Ethernet address: 00:1c:c0:37:b2:9f > >> > >> ed0: port 0x1000-0x101f irq 22 at device 1.0 on pci7 > >> ed0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a > >> > >> I also see this: > >> Jul 30 23:03:54 forum ntpd[1711]: unable to create socket on ed0 (20) > >> for fe80:: > >> 2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a#123 You should get more / better clues if you boot with verbose messages. > > Forgot to add this info: > > > > ed0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 > > ether 00:e0:7d:7c:2b:4a > > inet 80.72.44.230 netmask 0xfffffff0 broadcast 80.72.44.239 > > inet6 fe80::2e0:7dff:fe7c:2b4a%ed0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0xa > > nd6 options=29 > > media: Ethernet autoselect (10base2/BNC) > > > > Must add some more info: > > My kernel config: > > cpu I486_CPU > cpu I586_CPU > cpu I686_CPU > ident DIVERT > > makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug > symbols > options IPFIREWALL > options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE > options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=10 > options IPDIVERT > options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT > > (the rest like in GENERIC). Just to mention: you don't actually need to include FIREWALL* or DIVERT in kernels these days; a GENERIC kernel will work fine, loading modules as needed. Only exception is if you needed FIREWALL_FORWARD, which it appears you don't. > Strange thing: > > I cannot ping neither the outside interface address nor the inside > (172.27.2.115) > > -- > Christoph Kukulies Please show output from: # egrep 'ifconfig|firewall|natd|gateway|ntpd' /etc/rc.conf # cat /etc/natd.conf # ipfw show # netstat -finet -rn cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 13:00:24 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CC91065678 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95C68FC12 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7BD05SZ001575; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:00:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7BD04au001572; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:00:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:00:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:00:05 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Ruben de Groot , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:00:24 -0000 >>> >>> Now here is the KEY. No where does it say it has the "server" side >>> function, only the client side. /usr/ports/net/unfs3 Even if someone "proved" that it doesn't do NFS server work, i will continue to use it as NFS server, because it works very well ;) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 13:02:56 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E2F106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0408FC0A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7BD2pbi001584; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:02:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7BD2ooB001581; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:02:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:02:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <50252746.80100@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <50252746.80100@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:02:51 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any one running unfs3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:02:56 -0000 > But there is no documentation on how to enable it to start > at boot time. The man unfsd doc is useless. if you cannot read - yes. manual is very precise and nothing more is needed. > Hoping some one is using this userland version of nfs. yes i am. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 14:10:32 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DB0106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8278FC1A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:10:27 -0700 Message-ID: <502667D3.2000406@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:10:27 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <50252746.80100@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2012 14:10:27.0890 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F17D920:01CD77CB] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any one running unfs3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:10:32 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> But there is no documentation on how to enable it to start >> at boot time. The man unfsd doc is useless. > > if you cannot read - yes. manual is very precise and nothing more is > needed. > >> Hoping some one is using this userland version of nfs. > > yes i am. > > What manual are you referring to? The man unfsd does not contain any information about what statements to put in /etc/rc.conf to get unfs3 started at boot time. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 14:43:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5737D106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37A278FC08 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.10.3] ([173.88.199.104]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:43:27 -0700 Message-ID: <50266F8F.4010504@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 10:43:27 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wojciech Puchar References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2012 14:43:27.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB08F900:01CD77CF] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Authenticated-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-EchoSenderHash: [fbsd8]-[a1poweruser*com] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:43:26 -0000 Wojciech Puchar wrote: >>>> >>>> Now here is the KEY. No where does it say it has the "server" side >>>> function, only the client side. > > /usr/ports/net/unfs3 > > Even if someone "proved" that it doesn't do NFS server work, i will > continue to use it as NFS server, because it works very well ;) > > Since your the expert on unfs3 because you have it working, would you share some technical configuration information with us? Such as What statements do you have in the host:server and remote:client /etc/rc.conf to auto start them at boot time? How do you disable the kernel nfs version so it don't interfere with unfs3? What does your export file look like on both the host:server and remote:client sides. Then about unfs3 performance; how many concurrent remote:clients do you service? Doe's access elapse time get longer as more concurrent remote:clients come online? Do you run unfs3 in a jail on both the host:server and remote:client sides? Are there any sysctl nob settings needed to make unfs3 run in a jail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 15:56:11 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0CC106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from homepunk4@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 232A78FC08 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so5334265obb.13 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mHmaz0YtwR38UOFxr/gGGlKU4gArSmWD+87c+QQivVM=; b=F16frfTw6w2s5fLFjjZDVbpXf2kJ9jxyML21V7RhoX6jW1rP6GqP9PW4Xm7H6JhyEy 3I7Tuw0d5ikOJePDOHraiT5R0DpzNpl/zOlepQWElLCjtyw+cJT7p1HJcBQQgOhq45IW 6uUl3zbLdhffOe35QrFxsG1HbkxFd6E1POBFnMgfZnmUB39OdZosQ2XOLqe3QmsSUkp0 r7ejygv93rG9tVNMKLFx32DCdtcylFRFdd8bjdimDVKNqB0dPcaEDiBhUDRS8zwNOJDH QClXyhMy/zBb3nkST9u2sj/GfF6Z5R5yoT879yNNiuVC1zpFKABzQqZtUDGqhIEcdruC SrAg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.2.74 with SMTP id 10mr4695803oes.64.1344700570363; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.57.138 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 08:56:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: Pedruco Nunes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: http://localhost/phpmyadmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:56:11 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 16:22:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DE7106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F6BF8FC08 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7BGMeB7002675; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:22:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7BFWwSG002113; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:32:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:32:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <502667D3.2000406@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <50252746.80100@a1poweruser.com> <502667D3.2000406@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any one running unfs3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:22:57 -0000 >>> Hoping some one is using this userland version of nfs. >> >> yes i am. >> >> > > What manual are you referring to? > The man unfsd does not contain any information about what statements to put > in /etc/rc.conf to get unfs3 started at boot time. because manual doesn't contain info about rc.d scripts. this is normal. unfsd port doesn't give you rc.d script. add your own if you need it so much, otherwise just run it with options as described in manual. put it in /etc/rc.local to start at every boot. no real need to perform special shutdown of it. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 16:23:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFA94106566B for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091398FC0A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7BGMeB9002675; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:22:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q7BFeC3j002272; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:40:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:40:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Fbsd8 In-Reply-To: <50266F8F.4010504@a1poweruser.com> Message-ID: References: <1344347348.23440.5.camel@blackfriar.inhio.eu> <5022715C.9010301@a1poweruser.com> <50250034.8010004@a1poweruser.com> <20120810135446.GA48662@ei.bzerk.org> <50251DE5.3010106@a1poweruser.com> <50266F8F.4010504@a1poweruser.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Aug 2012 18:22:41 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, blackfriar Subject: Re: NFS within a Jail?! X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:23:02 -0000 > > Since your the expert on unfs3 because you have it working, would you share > some technical configuration information with us? > > Such as > > What statements do you have in the host:server and remote:client /etc/rc.conf > to auto start them at boot time? in client - as with any NFS, use kernel klient. on server - just run unfsd anywhere, like /etc/rc.local Do you really cannot use any program without rc.d script? ;) > How do you disable the kernel nfs version so it don't interfere with unfs3? Just don't enable it in /etc/rc.conf You may have it in kernel. i did, now i don't. both works. > What does your export file look like on both the host:server and > remote:client sides. as described in manual of unfsd. basics are same, details are not. > > Then about unfs3 performance; how many concurrent remote:clients do you > service? Doe's access elapse time get longer as more concurrent over 60 but not high load clients so performance doesn't matter. That's X terminals booting over NFS. Sometimes i do more - example is net-booting windoze PC to be able to do some recovery OR backup large amount of data to server. There is no practical performance difference in that settings. BUT - do make configure, then search where fsync is called and comment it out. Right - not conformant, but the performance difference on writes are enormous. Unless you do such a stupid things like running database servers over NFS, you don't need this conformance. Just do it. > Do you run unfs3 in a jail on both the host:server and remote:client sides? Not now. but tried. unfs doesn't need ANY special kernel calls. It runs just like any program using UDP/TCP communication. jail/no jail doesn't make a difference. As with most programs. In kernel point of view it is just a program that use TCP/IP stack and open/read/write/readdir/etc. Nothing else. > Are there any sysctl nob settings needed to make unfs3 run in a jail? as above. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 19:00:14 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD733106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slackmails@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com (mail-vc0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC038FC08 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbgb22 with SMTP id gb22so3235046vcb.13 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bUcmsJ5OTU4Z/yBTSZnRbyzZ7isXE24Vu3Cyc9SnzJ8=; b=j67R+dBrGgs04UiN7Zp7JdDKXPIWiRTvHkKWnLFb1IhYIX7xyibKpOd2JunRHxQDrM 2JZOpGS7576O5nILzjIwvCuWIE0/7zRhSHtjd+wp9KUymRP/ShZtib1d07M8GGedUw3T Z2dQNyAVA41KokcyPKagTWEkWb0+7DXL5SvMhiUU7R376Of69aNQhXiOWZGX0eglbqBL P8IeoDsrxL2UhiWCNeXDg+s4HcX9AqrEQFZQTqJw5BY9wnQZ0I5qQQZIB1ileHK1K1vS 9TFUFR/bdtpd+dwZzU9EubbjjCI4seFRBqPj2f+/YQXwY4vsdd2rKcJydBMk4WLxMVB0 pHNg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.20.143 with SMTP id n15mr4675967vde.112.1344711612918; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.170.100 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:00:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 00:30:12 +0530 Message-ID: From: Jerrin To: Pedruco Nunes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: http://localhost/phpmyadmin X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:00:14 -0000 it works! :) On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Pedruco Nunes wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 19:28:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FE3106564A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480DD8FC0A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C28C6E84A47; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:18:59 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20120811191856.GA28865@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: what is the best kind of KVM Switch? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:28:28 -0000 guys, can any of you with hardware background tell me which are the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my "Belkin soho" 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an "iogear" (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 19:35:57 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A929106567D for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:35:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25EA8FC08 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaak11 with SMTP id k11so734831eaa.13 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Q8MtWY4XQ6WkUarptBtStqrnABW5OhzYIzRNmFv0tV8=; b=jxDz8eXZxnSKIsiSkawg4NC4MWO0icZTEvPssnRChpmrUTgsbhJBnIWBjZbEltLjQW 745JzyyRODPCDriQ3N1wt3vS4/gb6mEtXO6G07uOHSlEqVQBjF4w+hr4ULu2/JLVNJTR eOji1Kkeqr2BRLmS9d+siwSnNYdpN9wMuXyMHxCpcx2d04drnwZJMlfJqmegeM7aCntW XfkybCuzinWeHeTG20xT8Gq1ArprZvNjuV/GBLrhkUY93v/djCvnh40MMEglUH8Y+iMV zh0G0w2CevS7qJ1PDTsyXMegNMeQTukkctl0yVMPeVSY3FuMas8/IoL2wYsYL4ncYGEL S4hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.175.7 with SMTP id y7mr7925396eel.29.1344713750000; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.214.131 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:35:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120811191856.GA28865@thought.org> References: <20120811191856.GA28865@thought.org> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:35:49 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:35:57 -0000 On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > guys, > > can any of you with hardware background tell me which are > the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my "Belkin > soho" 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. > > I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 > plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found > somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about > 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an > "iogear" (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm > switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? > > tia, > > gary Here I issue the obligatory admonition: "Define Best". However, I have used IO-Gear KVMs, and they're serviceable. OTOH, I really prefer Avocent, if you can afford them. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 19:50:41 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1D8106566C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [216.194.67.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6E08FC0A for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (c-67-186-152-230.hsd1.ct.comcast.net [67.186.152.230]) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C07D28596 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BigBloat (unknown [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288A53F742 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <201208111544030789.0047EB59@sentry.24cl.com> In-Reply-To: <20120811191856.GA28865@thought.org> References: <20120811191856.GA28865@thought.org> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:03 -0400 From: "Mike." To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: Subject: Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 19:50:41 -0000 On 8/11/2012 at 12:18 PM Gary Kline wrote: |guys, | | can any of you with hardware background tell me which are | the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my "Belkin | soho" 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. | | I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 | plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found | somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about | 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an | "iogear" (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm | switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? | | tia, | | gary | | | |-- ============= My requirements may not be the same as yours, but I have experiences in two brands of KVMs: IOGear and Avocent. The IOGear KVM worked well ... for a while, then quit. I was not impressed by IOGear's customer service The Avocent, though more expensive, just works and works. I now have another on my DVI monitor. It, too, works well and reliably. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 20:10:40 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A174C1065674 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [199.102.78.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765D78FC1E for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-27-96-201.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([76.27.96.201] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T0HzW-0006CU-Pr for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:09:17 -0600 From: "Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1C606A23-3055-4215-AAFC-6217134E2CF0"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 14:08:39 -0600 In-Reply-To: <5023DA10.5070702@a1poweruser.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List References: <9BE2F3BC-1809-4B9A-9A5B-CE1EC8505BBA@shire.net> <3E461D46-A332-4795-9745-76BEC8D5D4EB@shire.net> <5023DA10.5070702@a1poweruser.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 76.27.96.201 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Apache FCGI in a a jail under FBSD 9 won't start due to shared memory creation error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:10:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1C606A23-3055-4215-AAFC-6217134E2CF0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Aug 9, 2012, at 9:41 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: > Chad Leigh Shire.Net LLC wrote: >> On Aug 7, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Mark Felder wrote: >>> jail_sysvipc_allow=3D"YES" in rc.conf should do it. >> Hmm >> I added that and rebooted the jail host system. However, the setting = in sysctl security.jail.sysvipc_allowed is still 0 after the reboot >> # sysctl -a | grep sysvipc >> security.jail.param.allow.sysvipc: 0 >> security.jail.sysvipc_allowed: 0 >> # >> I can set security.jail.sysvipc_allowed to 1 manually. However, even = after doing that, the original fcgi problem happens when starting = apache2.2 with mod_fcgid in the configuration and being loaded >> [Tue Aug 07 13:09:12 2012] [emerg] (78)Function not implemented: = mod_fcgid: Can't create shared memory for size 1192488 bytes >> Thanks! >> Chad > Since you manually installed apache22 and mod_fcgid from up-stream = sources maybe you missed something. As a test create another jail and = install the package versions of apache22 and mod_fcgid and see if that = will start ok. If it does them you know you missed something in your = hand job version. >=20 Hi Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think, however, that anything is = missing with my from-source compilations. I have been running = self-compiled apaches for 15 years and have also done mod_fcgid in the = past as well without issue (but not inside a jail). I don't think it is = a matter of sw missing, but of system parameters or similar.' Thanks Chad --Apple-Mail=_1C606A23-3055-4215-AAFC-6217134E2CF0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 20:30:55 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE521065674 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:30:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D8A8FC15 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1ABEFE84885; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:30:54 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: "Mike." Message-ID: <20120811203054.GA28929@thought.org> References: <20120811191856.GA28865@thought.org> <201208111544030789.0047EB59@sentry.24cl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201208111544030789.0047EB59@sentry.24cl.com> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 26 years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 20:30:55 -0000 On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:44:03PM -0400, Mike. wrote: > Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:44:03 -0400 > From: "Mike." > Subject: Re: what is the best kind of KVM Switch? > To: FreeBSD Mailing List > Cc: > X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) > > On 8/11/2012 at 12:18 PM Gary Kline wrote: > > |guys, > | > | can any of you with hardware background tell me which are > | the better KVM makes? about three weeks ago my "Belkin > | soho" 4-port kvm switch started going flakey on port #1. > | > | I ordered a new one, same make//model except with PS/2 > | plugs. it arrived 100% DOA. I'Ve finally found > | somebody willing to come over and help me. Fry's is about > | 12 clicks away. they have not too many. maybe an > | "iogear" (sp?). is there really that much diff between kvm > | switch? and if there is, which should I be looking for? > | > | tia, > | > | gary > | > | > | > |-- > ============= > > My requirements may not be the same as yours, but I have experiences in > two brands of KVMs: IOGear and Avocent. > > The IOGear KVM worked well ... for a while, then quit. I was not > impressed by IOGear's customer service > > The Avocent, though more expensive, just works and works. I now have > another on my DVI monitor. It, too, works well and reliably. > > to kurt, by best, I mean something that works reliably for > 3 years. by chance, years ago I had a a Belkin that lasted for 6, 7 years. in 2010 I bought a dual-LED switch//+speaker that broke on port 1 in july. OR:: if *cables* can break, then the first cable broke. nobody has time to fmess around with that kind of testing. Fry's has a limited kind that are "available" up the way. I don't want to have t o have this guy return another busted belkin. bad enough that I have to ask my wife to return the DOA model. ijust googled for "Avocent" at fry's. nada. ,,,well, thanks to you both. if the same model I've got comes with an extended warrantee, maybe that's the way tto go. gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 11 23:33:29 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E925106566C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:33:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chad@pengar.com) Received: from mail.shire.net (mail.shire.net [199.102.78.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4689C8FC0C for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:33:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-27-96-201.hsd1.ut.comcast.net ([76.27.96.201] helo=[192.168.99.216]) by mail.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1T0LBP-0000yt-Dr; Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:33:27 -0600 From: Chad Leigh - Pengar LLC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 17:33:25 -0600 Message-Id: <8847D91D-169C-43C5-882C-81695210B0B3@pengar.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 76.27.96.201 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@pengar.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on mail.shire.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: Chad Leigh Subject: ZFS stats in "top" -- ZFS performance started being crappy in spurts X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:33:29 -0000 Hi I have a FreeBSD 9 system with ZFS root. It is actually a VM under Xen = on a beefy piece of HW (4 core Sandy Bridge 3ghz Xeon, total HW memory = 32GB -- VM has 4vcpus and 6GB RAM). Mirrored gpart partitions. I am = looking for data integrity more than performance as long as performance = is reasonable (which it has more than been the last 3 months). The other "servers" on the same HW, the other VMs on the same, don't = have this problem but are set up the same way. There are 4 other = FreeBSD VMs, one running email for a one man company and a few of his = friends, as well as some static web pages and stuff for him, one runs a = few low use web apps for various customers, and one runs about 30 = websites with apache and nginx, mostly just static sites. None are = heavily used. There is also one VM with linux running a couple low use = FrontBase databases. Not high use database -- low use ones. The troubleseome VM has been running fine for over 3 months since I = installed it. Level of use has been pretty much constant. The = server runs 4 jails on it, each dedicated to a different bit of email = processing for a small number of users. One is a secondary DNS. One = runs clamav and spamassassin. One runs exim for incoming and outgoing = mail. One runs dovecot for imap and pop. There is no web server or = database or anything else running. Total number of mail users on the system is approximately 50, plus or = minus. Total mail traffic is very low compared to "real" mail servers. Earlier this week things started "freezing up". It might last a few = minutes, or it might last 1/2 hour. Processes become unresponsive. = This can last a few minutes or much longer. It eventually resolves = itself and things are good for another 10 minutes or 3 hours until it = happens again. When it happens, lots of processes are listed in "top" = as=20 zfs zio->i zfs tx->tx db->db state. These processes only get listed in these states when there are = problems. What are these states indicative of? Eventually things get going again, these states drop off and the system = hums along. Based on some stuff I found in Google (for a person who had a different = but somewhat similar problem) I tried setting=20 zfs set primarycache=3Dmetadata zroot and zfs set primarycache=3Dnone zroot but the problem still happened with approximately the same severity and = frequency. (Wanted to see if the system was "churning" with cache = upkeep). What is strange is that this server ran fine for 3 months straight = without interruption with the same level of work. Thanks for any hints or clues Chad some data points below --- # uname -a FreeBSD newbagend 9.0-STABLE FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #1: Wed Mar 21 15:22:14 = MDT 2012 chad@underhill:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/UNDERHILL-XEN amd64 #=20 --- # zpool status pool: zroot state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 6h13m with 0 errors on Fri Aug 10 19:33:23 = 2012 config: NAME STATE READ = WRITE CKSUM zroot ONLINE 0 = 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 = 0 0 gptid/f0da8263-8a52-11e1-b3ae-aa00003efccd ONLINE 0 = 0 0 gptid/0f24ab58-8a53-11e1-b3ae-aa00003efccd ONLINE 0 = 0 0 errors: No known data errors # --- representative data from doing a stats during a trouble period zfs-stats -a ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ZFS Subsystem Report Sat Aug 11 13:40:07 2012 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ System Information: Kernel Version: 900505 (osreldate) Hardware Platform: amd64 Processor Architecture: amd64 ZFS Storage pool Version: 28 ZFS Filesystem Version: 5 FreeBSD 9.0-STABLE #1: Wed Mar 21 15:22:14 MDT 2012 chad 1:40PM up 2:54, 3 users, load averages: 0.23, 0.19, 0.14 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ System Memory: 11.49% 681.92 MiB Active, 4.03% 238.97 MiB Inact 33.37% 1.93 GiB Wired, 0.05% 3.04 MiB Cache 51.04% 2.96 GiB Free, 0.01% 808.00 KiB Gap Real Installed: 6.00 GiB Real Available: 99.65% 5.98 GiB Real Managed: 96.93% 5.80 GiB Logical Total: 6.00 GiB Logical Used: 46.76% 2.81 GiB Logical Free: 53.24% 3.19 GiB Kernel Memory: 1.25 GiB Data: 98.38% 1.23 GiB Text: 1.62% 20.75 MiB Kernel Memory Map: 5.68 GiB Size: 17.27% 1003.75 MiB Free: 82.73% 4.70 GiB ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARC Summary: (HEALTHY) Memory Throttle Count: 0 ARC Misc: Deleted: 9 Recycle Misses: 64.30k Mutex Misses: 10 Evict Skips: 58.80k ARC Size: 39.98% 1.20 GiB Target Size: (Adaptive) 100.00% 3.00 GiB Min Size (Hard Limit): 12.50% 384.00 MiB Max Size (High Water): 8:1 3.00 GiB ARC Size Breakdown: Recently Used Cache Size: 25.56% 785.15 MiB Frequently Used Cache Size: 74.44% 2.23 GiB ARC Hash Breakdown: Elements Max: 223.30k Elements Current: 99.93% 223.15k Collisions: 418.23k Chain Max: 9 Chains: 66.67k ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARC Efficiency: 3.17m Cache Hit Ratio: 89.07% 2.82m Cache Miss Ratio: 10.93% 346.27k Actual Hit Ratio: 86.49% 2.74m Data Demand Efficiency: 99.50% 1.09m Data Prefetch Efficiency: 60.54% 1.78k CACHE HITS BY CACHE LIST: Most Recently Used: 23.72% 669.34k Most Frequently Used: 73.38% 2.07m Most Recently Used Ghost: 1.92% 54.33k Most Frequently Used Ghost: 3.30% 93.02k CACHE HITS BY DATA TYPE: Demand Data: 38.35% 1.08m Prefetch Data: 0.04% 1.08k Demand Metadata: 58.75% 1.66m Prefetch Metadata: 2.87% 80.97k CACHE MISSES BY DATA TYPE: Demand Data: 1.56% 5.39k Prefetch Data: 0.20% 704 Demand Metadata: 55.46% 192.02k Prefetch Metadata: 42.78% 148.15k ------------------------------------------------------------------------ L2ARC is disabled ------------------------------------------------------------------------ File-Level Prefetch: (HEALTHY) DMU Efficiency: 6.05m Hit Ratio: 66.59% 4.03m Miss Ratio: 33.41% 2.02m Colinear: 2.02m Hit Ratio: 0.04% 725 Miss Ratio: 99.96% 2.02m Stride: 3.90m Hit Ratio: 99.98% 3.90m Miss Ratio: 0.02% 826 DMU Misc: Reclaim: 2.02m Successes: 2.02% 40.86k Failures: 97.98% 1.98m Streams: 125.81k +Resets: 0.36% 453 -Resets: 99.64% 125.36k Bogus: 0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VDEV Cache Summary: 530.68k Hit Ratio: 15.30% 81.21k Miss Ratio: 70.40% 373.57k Delegations: 14.30% 75.89k ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ZFS Tunables (sysctl): kern.maxusers 512 vm.kmem_size 6222712832 vm.kmem_size_scale 1 vm.kmem_size_min 0 vm.kmem_size_max 329853485875 vfs.zfs.l2c_only_size 0 vfs.zfs.mfu_ghost_data_lsize 91367424 vfs.zfs.mfu_ghost_metadata_lsize 128350208 vfs.zfs.mfu_ghost_size 219717632 vfs.zfs.mfu_data_lsize 132299264 vfs.zfs.mfu_metadata_lsize 20034048 vfs.zfs.mfu_size 160949760 vfs.zfs.mru_ghost_data_lsize 45155328 vfs.zfs.mru_ghost_metadata_lsize 642998784 vfs.zfs.mru_ghost_size 688154112 vfs.zfs.mru_data_lsize 347115520 vfs.zfs.mru_metadata_lsize 10907136 vfs.zfs.mru_size 794174976 vfs.zfs.anon_data_lsize 0 vfs.zfs.anon_metadata_lsize 0 vfs.zfs.anon_size 29469696 vfs.zfs.l2arc_norw 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_feed_again 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_noprefetch 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_feed_min_ms 200 vfs.zfs.l2arc_feed_secs 1 vfs.zfs.l2arc_headroom 2 vfs.zfs.l2arc_write_boost 8388608 vfs.zfs.l2arc_write_max 8388608 vfs.zfs.arc_meta_limit 805306368 vfs.zfs.arc_meta_used 805310296 vfs.zfs.arc_min 402653184 vfs.zfs.arc_max 3221225472 vfs.zfs.dedup.prefetch 1 vfs.zfs.mdcomp_disable 0 vfs.zfs.write_limit_override 0 vfs.zfs.write_limit_inflated 19260174336 vfs.zfs.write_limit_max 802507264 vfs.zfs.write_limit_min 33554432 vfs.zfs.write_limit_shift 3 vfs.zfs.no_write_throttle 0 vfs.zfs.zfetch.array_rd_sz 1048576 vfs.zfs.zfetch.block_cap 256 vfs.zfs.zfetch.min_sec_reap 2 vfs.zfs.zfetch.max_streams 8 vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable 0 vfs.zfs.mg_alloc_failures 8 vfs.zfs.check_hostid 1 vfs.zfs.recover 0 vfs.zfs.txg.synctime_ms 1000 vfs.zfs.txg.timeout 5 vfs.zfs.scrub_limit 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.bshift 16 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size 10485760 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.max 16384 vfs.zfs.vdev.write_gap_limit 4096 vfs.zfs.vdev.read_gap_limit 32768 vfs.zfs.vdev.aggregation_limit 131072 vfs.zfs.vdev.ramp_rate 2 vfs.zfs.vdev.time_shift 6 vfs.zfs.vdev.min_pending 4 vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending 10 vfs.zfs.vdev.bio_flush_disable 0 vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable 0 vfs.zfs.zil_replay_disable 0 vfs.zfs.zio.use_uma 0 vfs.zfs.snapshot_list_prefetch 0 vfs.zfs.version.zpl 5 vfs.zfs.version.spa 28 vfs.zfs.version.acl 1 vfs.zfs.debug 0 vfs.zfs.super_owner 0 ------------------------ representative (from during a trouble period -- you see not much is = going on -- low load and the iostat during a calm good period is about = the same) zpool iostat zroot 1 capacity operations bandwidth pool alloc free read write read write ---------- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- zroot 107G 41.9G 7 261 23.8K 1.52M zroot 107G 41.9G 10 140 7.42K 272K zroot 107G 41.9G 8 176 14.4K 547K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 59 0 188K zroot 107G 41.9G 5 171 6.44K 1.73M zroot 107G 41.9G 4 284 8.42K 1006K zroot 107G 41.9G 5 118 2.97K 260K zroot 107G 41.9G 25 194 27.7K 623K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 132 0 764K zroot 107G 41.9G 1 95 6.44K 1.16M zroot 107G 41.9G 8 272 16.3K 829K zroot 107G 41.9G 56 212 103K 213K zroot 107G 41.9G 22 221 27.7K 204K zroot 107G 41.9G 2 455 1.48K 509K zroot 107G 41.9G 14 198 7.42K 132K zroot 107G 41.9G 14 270 7.42K 306K zroot 107G 41.9G 6 273 3.46K 670K zroot 107G 41.9G 21 175 10.9K 570K zroot 107G 41.9G 17 179 8.91K 591K zroot 107G 41.9G 11 289 17.3K 902K zroot 107G 41.9G 13 121 6.93K 230K zroot 107G 41.9G 18 238 9.41K 734K zroot 107G 41.9G 99 61 50.5K 188K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 222 0 862K zroot 107G 41.9G 11 149 13.4K 1.12M zroot 107G 41.9G 15 319 10.9K 1.05M zroot 107G 41.9G 0 127 0 392K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 159 0 1.70M zroot 107G 41.9G 68 196 212K 601K zroot 107G 41.9G 17 144 18.8K 295K zroot 107G 41.9G 12 187 17.3K 588K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 136 0 1.23M zroot 107G 41.9G 6 209 23.8K 564K zroot 107G 41.9G 11 199 12.4K 422K zroot 107G 41.9G 12 178 9.41K 553K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 140 1.48K 1.17M zroot 107G 41.9G 48 200 128K 411K zroot 107G 41.9G 8 191 16.8K 121K zroot 107G 41.9G 1 397 1013 375K zroot 107G 41.9G 0 263 0 132K zroot 107G 41.9G 14 228 13.4K 235K zroot 107G 41.9G 7 21 4.46K 10.9K zroot 107G 41.9G 2 161 1.48K 156K