From owner-freebsd-java Thu Feb 6 0:29:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F9637B401; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from magic.adaptec.com (magic.adaptec.com [208.236.45.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA3C43F93; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:29:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott_long@btc.adaptec.com) Received: from redfish.adaptec.com (redfish.adaptec.com [162.62.50.11]) by magic.adaptec.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h168SnD02219; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:28:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.btc.adaptec.com (btc.btc.adaptec.com [10.100.0.52]) by redfish.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14795; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:28:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from btc.adaptec.com (hollin [10.100.253.56]) by btc.btc.adaptec.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA29977; Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:28:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3E421C93.4040807@btc.adaptec.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 01:28:03 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021105 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bill Huey (Hui)" Cc: Brad Knowles , Brent Verner , freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, calvin.austin@sun.com, brian@collab.net, jdp@polstra.com, bod@freebsdfoundation.org Subject: Re: patchset 2 report (billh's resignation) References: <20030205121006.GA69850@rcfile.org> <20030206021823.GB4193@gnuppy.monkey.org> <20030206080808.GD5538@gnuppy.monkey.org> In-Reply-To: <20030205121006.GA69850@rcfile.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Huey (Hui) wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 08:50:37AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > I'm sorry Bill, but your actions in this process leave me feeling > >rather unsympathetic to you. I understand your level of involvement > >so far in the JDK, but your incessant use of foul language and your > >extremely aggressive tone pretty much eliminate any real chance of > >getting people to buy into your underlying message. > > > The message is pretty simple and yes, I am pissed. Basically, a few > people in the FreeBSD Java group felt threatened by me in some way, > held a stupid grudge and then acted out on it when grant politics came > around. > > > > I don't agree with John's public posting of the e-mail exchange, > >at least not so soon in this discussion. However, your decision to > >take this matter public in your own way kind of absolves him of a lot > >of guilt on this issue. > > > The tone is irrelevant, he and that group have a responsibility with > that money and how it is dealt with in relation to the rest of the > FreeBSD project. > > > > Maybe John and the FreeBSD Foundation made a mistake in this > >process. If they did, I'm very sorry. But it's kind of hard to tell > >what really happened or why, when faced with all your thermonuclear > >flaming. > > > It's difficult to keep calm in this situation, you might like to Google > for my technical post as to my involvement with this project to see how > and why anybody with any genine caring for the success of a project would > be pissed if Nate Williams, Greg Lewis and company decided to go behind > your back and then pull some political move to exclude me from a political > body that I've always been effectvely apart of since the very beginning > of my involvement... > > It's simple not his decision to make behind my and everybody elses back. > And with his influence with the FreeBSD Foundation, well... put the two > together and you get something pretty sinister looking, whether it's > intentional or not. > > > > If I were on the FreeBSD Foundation and I had previous experience > >with this kind of incredibly rude behaviour from you in the past, I > > > I mean, I think I have some justification for it. > > > >can certainly see how I might be inclined to pick someone else to be > >chosen as the person we would be paying to do this work. > > > They have to deal with this in professional manner, I lightly proded, > but got more and more irrational resistence as I kept trying to get a > decent answer. Ignoring this doesn't make sense. Turns out, the folks > that stabbed me behind my back are in my own group. The 'lightly prodded' part is patently untrue. Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-java" in the body of the message