From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 28 21:12:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD2C1065674 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:12:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+thun@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618FE8FC18 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2010 16:42:58 -0400 Received: from mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net (mx04.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.54]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.10.8-GA) with ESMTP id LUV35240; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 146-115-45-245.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO ws-mteterin.dev.pathfinder.com) ([146.115.45.245]) by smtp04.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 28 Jul 2010 16:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4C509617.6080709@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:41:59 -0400 From: "Mikhail T." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; uk; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Lightning/1.0b1 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <4C34C5DE.7040007@aldan.algebra.com> <20100708210611.GA34250@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <4C364CE8.6050104@aldan.algebra.com> <20100709094907.GA45560@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20100709094907.GA45560@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A020202.4C509652.0057,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=146.115.45.245, so=2009-09-21 22:56:10, dmn=5.4.3/2007-10-18, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:27:24 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: 8.x grudges X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:12:44 -0000 09.07.2010 05:49, Peter Jeremy ???????(??): > I doubt I'm personally in a position to debug this and don't personally > use splash screens. Can you reproduce it using an image that you can > re-distribute? > Ok, the splash-screen problem went away after I put back the original video-card. The one I tried with (a high-end, but old) worked fine in text mode, but, apparently, had issues in the graphical mode... Retracted... >>>> 3. Likewise, having "device ugen" breaks config(8) -- another >>>> undocumented incompatibility. >>>> >> It was a valid device for FreeBSD-7. The UPDATING-file enumerates a >> number of things, that need to be changed, when updating to 8, but the >> removal of "ugen" is not mentioned there. >> > Well, the definitive list is sys/conf/NOTES and sys/$(uname -m)/conf/NOTES > The "NOTES" files are code, not documentation... If the "UPDATING" file did not exist, I'd be looking elsewhere for the changes. But it does exist and so should be complete (perhaps, it should be auto-generated based on the commit-history of the NOTES and GENERIC kernel-configs?) > but I agree that the ugen(4) man page is incorrect and a case could be > made for having better details of USB2 in UPDATING. I did not even realize, the ugen(4) still exists in 8.1 (and would've thought, it was a remnant from 7.x), if I saw it. My "grudge" was that the "UPDATING" file did not tell me about neither it, nor about the sio being broken. > How would you like to write up patches and submit a PR? > I have some -- much more involved -- patches sitting in the PR database for years, so, pardon me for not accepting your invitation to file more at this time... The ones most ripe for committing are: * handle SIGINFO in sleep(1) -- recent * pkg_add(1) pkg-routines ignore the recorded md5 checksums -- 8 years old * bikeshed entry of Handbook is wrong -- a doc-one, 5 years old now, still valid... Search the PR-db for others, where a dialog/discussion might be necessary -- the above ones are only those completely ready... > That's why I asked for the output up to the hang - which might show > where the problem is. If you don't have a serial console, take a > photo and put it up on the web. > Ok, here is the screen-shot (firewire enabled in BIOS). Hanging while probing USB-devices... > BTW, in all writing you've done, you've never mentioned what FreeBSD > version you are running beyond a vague "8.1 prerelease", what motherboard > you have (despite my request for this) and only indirectly given the > architecture (via the config file you posted). > Well, the version was also implied -- 8.1/prerelease as of (approximately) the date of the posting. The motherboard version -- I'm not sure still. Something like nVidia nForce2 -- does that identify it enough? The verbose dmesg.boots are: * 7.3-PRERELEASE Feb 5 (firewire enabled -- no hang. This is one extracted from /var/log/messages and is a little garbled.) * 8.1-PRERELEASE July 5 (firewire disabled -- otherwise hangs) * 8.1-PRERELEASE July 14 (firewire disabled. Interestingly, the July 14th version reports slightly different memory "base") Yours, -mi