From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Apr 13 16:55:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27275 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27267 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:55:08 GMT (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25042; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:25:04 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id JAA14588; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:25:04 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980414092503.A14520@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:25:03 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: James Raynard , FreeBSD commercial support Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: It's the economy, stupid! (Was: Re: New name?) References: <19980413132146.H28708@freebie.lemis.com> <199804130928.CAA03504@implode.root.com> <19980413192115.V28708@freebie.lemis.com> <19980413152229.47827@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91i In-Reply-To: <19980413152229.47827@jraynard.demon.co.uk>; from James Raynard on Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 03:22:29PM +0100 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This discussion has been spread across -chat and Nan Yang's list. I think it's time to take it off -chat, though I'll respect other people's opinions if they want to continue there. Otherwise, if you want to follow this discussion, feel free to sign up to supporters (via majordomo: 'subscribe supporters@nanyang-computer.com'). On Mon, 13 April 1998 at 15:22:29 +0100, James Raynard wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 1998 at 07:21:15PM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >> I think people are somewhat overemphasizing this issue, which is >> not really important to the support issues (why isn't anybody >> discussing them?). > > Exactly. I'm amazed no-one seems to have even asked, let alone addressed > the following obvious questions (at least, they seem obvious to me): Good questions. Finally we're coming back on track. > 1. Who are Nan Yang? Nan Yang Computer Services Limited is a company in the UK which negotiates much of the contract work I do. They appear to be a subsidiary of a Singaporean or Malaysian company. They do mainly administrative work, and have the advantage (from my point of view) of giving me relative freedom in what I choose to do, and in not taking too much of a cut out of the contract revenue. > 2. What exactly are they looking for? Not much, really. I've been pestering them to do this for a while, and they finally said "OK, but you organize things". Theoretically, we could drop Nan Yang and start a separate company, but I can't think of any reason to do so at the moment. > 3. How serious are they? Well, *I* am very serious. > 4. What kind of customers do they have? None at the moment. > 5. How much time would they expect people to spend on working for > them? This is one of the things I want to discuss. Eventually this would require a large number of full-time employees, but they don't have to be anybody currently on the list. I could see an advantage in having high-quality part-time people involved, but we'd have to get some commitment to minimum availability. > 6. What (if any) is the difference between working for Nan Yang and being > a contractor/consultant for a "normal" agency? This is another of the things I want to discuss. Currently, probably not too much. > 7. What's the best way of getting in touch with them? Via this list. You can send mail to Nan Yang Computer Services Limited Kissack Court 29 Parliament Street Ramsey, IM99 4AN Great Britain They don't tend to be very communicative; they'll probably forward it to me. As I say, Nan Yang doesn't have to be part of this, but I think they could be useful. We can discuss this point too. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message