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Date:      Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:00:01 -0500
From:      Paul Pathiakis <>
To:        Baho Utot <>,
Subject:   Re: Boot issue after upgrade
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On 12/10/2017 6:05 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 12/10/2017 4:29 PM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote:
>> On 12/10/2017 3:47 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
>>> On 12/10/2017 2:52 PM, Robert Fitzpatrick via freebsd-questions wrote:
>>>> Since I upgraded a server from FreeBSD 10.1 to 10.4, it no longer 
>>>> boots to the standard BSD menu. Instead, it kicks me to an OK 
>>>> prompt where I have to 'set currdev=disk0s1a', then boot. How can I 
>>>> get my automatic boot menu back?
>>> And another bites the dust.....
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>> Hi,
>> I'm sorry, I've been watching your posts since they started.  I would 
>> suggest you go back to the Linux world and stay there. Having a 
>> computer science degree and understanding things at the bit level, as 
>> well as being a Sr. Sysadmin for over 25 years, quite frankly, a lot 
>> of the points you bring up are dramatically untrue.  I find your 
>> postings to be nothing more than trolling and bashing.
> Nothing of value here,  25 years BAH means nothing
And, again, you bash.  I think everyone can see the type of person you are.
>> If you choose to be constructive with solutions, I'm fine with that.  
>> If you choose to be CONSTRUCTIVELY critical, I'm fine with that.  As 
>> for what the user base is, and the all the other things, including 
>> the above, you are grossly misinformed.
>> I make my salary as a consultant on RHEL and other Linux variants.  
>> Thank <deity> the Linux kernel and its supporting userland is so 
>> unstable and has so many CVEs.  It's going to keep me employed right 
>> through until retirement.  If they were to fix everything (package 
>> dependencies, etc), it would be so much easier to administer by all 
>> these clownish "I got me a certification" people.
>> Darwin OS from Apple is 90% FreeBSD.  Apple is, by far, the largest 
>> shipper of *nix systems in the world.  Netflix... FreeBSD.  Do some 
>> research, FreeBSD is in more products than you imagine and outstrips 
>> the attempted in-roads by Linux products.... (all 250+ variant OS's 
>> based on the Linux kernel)
>> I used to be from the era of Slackware.... The stability was 
>> terrible.  The Linux following continued to grow due to many who 
>> weren't trained in proper software process and procedure wanting to 
>> be 'Tech!  Me, too'.  'Lookee, I writes a program'.  To this day, I 
>> laugh at the fact that RHEL is 3-4 versions behind CentOS as, due to 
>> requiring stability, they can only move forward once it is at the 
>> stability level necessary of a true commercial product... aka 
>> pseudo-bulletproof... but still not at the quality of FreeBSD that 
>> can release a x.0 release and have it run flawlessly.  Also, the CVEs 
>> reported over a release lifetime is less than 10% of those of just 
>> the Linux kernel versus and ENTIRE OS that FreeBSD is, kernel and 
>> userland.
> Well Centos is RHEL and CENTOS follows RHELL.  Looks like you know 
> nothing about CENTOS
> From distrowatch
> CentOS <>; is a distribution built from 
> the source code of Red Hat Enterprise Linux. The CentOS project has 
> announced the availability of a new update to the distribution, 
> releasing CentOS 7-1708 which is derived from Red Hat Enterprise Linux 
> 7.4. The list of changes in this update to version 7 is fairly 
> conservative: "Since release 1503 CentOS 7 can report bugs directly to 
> Want to explain you post?
Yes, CentOS compiles from RH, however, all the most recent ported 
utilities come from cutting edge, not from RH.  It leads to 
instability.  RH stays with stuff that has stabilized and had the bugs 
shaken out.  They leave all of that to CentOS and Fedora before 
incorporating to RH.

So, again, you show ignorance on something you claim to know so well.
>> The Linux kernel and it's userland just don't stack up.  I have 
>> non-tech people using TrueOS on their desks and small business using 
>> FreeBSD for their file servers. They can't believe they run for a 
>> year before I do a simple 30 minute upgrade to the next rev... and it 
>> goes, again, flawlessly.
> Strawman pat yourself on the back
And, again, you attempt to demean and troll.  I believe this shows you 
for what you are.
>> I believe why people are banning you from lists (if they, indeed, 
>> are, which thid community is not in the habit of doing), is due to 
>> the toxic attitude you have and pointing out non-issues that are 
>> encountered by user error. FreeBSD is rock solid, stable.  Sir, I 
>> find you uninformed and pointing at non-issues.  This list is here to 
>> help people with issues they encounter.  Please stop detracting from 
>> that purpose.  The list is here to help persons with their issues, 
>> not listen to trolling rants.  If you have a question, as per the 
>> title of the list, post it and it will be answered by a courteous, 
>> knowledgeable person.  (Since 1998, I have seen little in the way of 
>> non-courteous, egotistical, clueless responses from this community - 
>> The same cannot be said of the times I have to use Linux community 
>> lists.)
> Nothing here
And, be dismissive, when you are show to be wrong.
>> Please, have a good day, but also, stop pointing at non-issues and 
>> saying "See, lookee!".  Anyone can break anything.  Anyone, 
>> uninformed, who wants to ramp fast and not read documentation, will 
>> have issues with anything.  This is akin to not reading the 
>> directions on how to put something from IKEA together.  Lack of 
>> reading directions usually leads to this list.
>> P.
> Ok I'll ask for the uptinth time How do you Boot ZFS raid,  this has 
> been unanswered since 2013.
> Bet you you can not answer that.
There is no 'boot zfs raid'.  There is boot ZFS (ZFS can be configured 
as any RAID type and be booted.  Linux cannot due this as licensing of 
the CDDL blocks it from having anything but the loader to install it as 
a module.  FreeBSD has no such restriction.
As long as the gptzfsboot blocks are installed, the loader will 
recognize it and load the Solaris and zfs modules.  From there, it's a 
straight boot operation like any other file system.

My home server uses ZFS as a root partition.  The root partition is on 
RAID-1 aka mirrored volumes and has no issue booting from both/either.

And yes, I answered your question and it's in the Handbook, the Wiki, etc.
> And if your up for it
> How to install Grub2 with WIN7 and ZFS RAID FreeBSD
> unanswered since 2013.
This is already done with grub2 and is widely available with both TrueOS 
and FreeBSD.  It's in the manual, the wiki, and several articles for a 
couple of years now.

Personally, I will be taking the same action as others and putting you 
in my filter list.  You have nothing of interest here.  I applaud the 
community for not banishing you as of yet as you are a troll, arrogant 
and dismissive of your betters.  I would also suggest you get 
psychiatric/psychological counseling for your behavior.  You seem to be 
a disturbed individual who enjoys creating drama where none exists.

Off to spamassassin and other filters.

Again, moderator of freebsd-questions, does anyone else have to listen 
to this prattling?


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