From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Aug 3 04:18:53 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FB1BAB8C6 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2016 04:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56D2C163C for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2016 04:18:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.18.7 (ClamAV engine v0.98.7) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:15ed:26:68d2:cb24] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.10 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 1130630; Wed, 03 Aug 2016 04:18:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Ominous smartd messages .... To: "William A. Mahaffey III" , FreeBSD Questions !!!! References: From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <117bb75c-aa6a-d562-c971-d0bab742f5ad@radel.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 00:18:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms050009000700050806030602" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2016 04:18:53 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050009000700050806030602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 8/2/16 11:41 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > It has 8 1 TB HDD's in a ZFS unmirrored pool.=20 Do I understand this to mean you have 8 TB with no redundancy? Pretty brutal if your data starts rotting away. :-( > Aug 1 23:09:59 devbox smartd[835]: Device: /dev/ada5, 8 Currently > unreadable (pending) sectors >=20 > My question is: Are these messages benign, or am I in the market for > more hardware ? *ANY* more questions, please ask. TIA & have a good one= =2E >=20 Somewhere between, YMMV, depends on your luck and the phase of the moon. That's useless, so I'll expand: I've read reasonable sounding commentary from people running very, very large collections of hard drives that there is a high enough correlation between this error and the drive going to heck sooner rather than later that they take this as a sign to replace. [Can't find reference right no= w.] I've read reasonable sounding commentary that by writing to the bad sector(s) you can force the HD to reallocate the sectors (assuming remaining capacity to do that) and then use ZFS redundancy and a good scrub to recover the data you trashed with dd (might not apply to you). Then there's a good chance that all will be well indefinitely. See https://dekoder.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/fixing-freenas-currently-unreada= ble-pending-sectors-error/ for an example of this school of thought. Actually, given that the messages stopped again, I suspect reallocation already happened, but a smartd test should tell you for certain. (You didn't have a scrub running between 8/2 03:39 and 04:09 by any chance?) Personally, so long as only one drive in my pool is doing this I tend to replace but not rush. 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