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Date:      Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:38:19 +0200
From:      Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
To:        Blaz Zupan <blaz@gold.amis.net>
Cc:        cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile 
Message-ID:  <199812140938.LAA62283@greenpeace.grondar.za>
In-Reply-To: Your message of " Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:33:00 %2B0100." <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812140927130.588-100000@gold.amis.net> 
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812140927130.588-100000@gold.amis.net> 

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Blaz Zupan wrote:
> > Easy for you to read. Nobody has the time-and-energy to MAINTAIN it!!
> 
> I was expecting a reply like this. But consider this: every time someones
> "make world" blows up, someone replies to his call for help on the
> -current mailing list. The first time something like this happens, instead
> of replying, one could add the instructions to this README file instead,
> and point the clueless newbie to it.

That requires committer privelige. Committers are (seem to be) getting tired of
supporting "clueless newbies" when they should not be running Current in the
first place. (Perception gained by the minority of committers who actually
answer question after some time).

> And if you argue that there's no time and energy to maintain it, where is
> the time and energy to maintain a "make check-etc" target in the makefile,
> which I believe would be more work than a simple README file?

You forgot to include the patches for this. ;-) Everybody works on their
own projects and their own interests. If you can kick someone into being
interested in your project, you are lucky. I also believe that you can only
do this once per-committer (perhaps) ;-).

> I can offer my help with maintaing this file. Give me a couple of days to
> browse through the mailing list archive and try to remember all the
> -recent (and old) pitfalls that we have in the tree.

Brilliant! Stick it up on a web-page, and maintain it, and your praises will
be sung :-) :-).

> And we could also add a message which gets printed when you start a make
> world:
> 
> "Please read the README.FIRST file, or you make world _will_ blow up."

Your patches will be appreciated. :-)

M
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