Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 10:10:08 -0800 From: Devin Teske <devin.teske@fisglobal.com> To: "'Alexander Best'" <arundel@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, 'Ron McDowell' <rcm@fuzzwad.org> Subject: RE: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8) Message-ID: <0bbc01ccfbc4$60904090$21b0c1b0$@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <20120306091003.GA77008@freebsd.org> References: <0b7101ccfb32$58d459f0$0a7d0dd0$@fisglobal.com> <20120306091003.GA77008@freebsd.org>
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Hi Alex, Thanks for your feedback! Thoughts inline below... > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander Best [mailto:arundel@freebsd.org] > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 1:10 AM > To: Devin Teske > Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Ron McDowell > Subject: Re: [PREVIEW] bsdconfig(8) > > On Mon Mar 5 12, Devin Teske wrote: > > Hiya fellow -hackers@ > > > > Many have complained that bsdinstall(8) does only a fraction of sysinstall(8). > > This complaint is generally understood to be in-relation to the "Configure" > menu > > of sysinstall(8). > > > > Some here may already know that Ron McDowell and I have been hard at- > work > > developing the replacement for sysinstall(8)'s "Configure" menu -- which we > have > > named bsdconfig(8). > > > > bsdconfig(8), together with already-existing bsdinstall(8), should fill the > > gap(s) when sysinstall(8) goes-away in FreeBSD-10. > > > > bsdconfig(8) is being designed with the intention of being MFC'd to 9, so that > > sysinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) can co-exist side-by-side while the bugs are > > worked out in RELENG_9. > > > > Later down the road, 10.0 would have only bsdinstall(8) and bsdconfig(8) > > (sysinstall(8) would no longer be provided). > > > > Thus, allowing a smooth transition away from sysinstall(8). > > > > With all that being said, without further ado, let me introduce the latest > > preview: > > > > http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/ > > > > NOTE: As of this writing, latest version is "bsdconfig.120305.txz" obtainable > > from the above directory > > > > PRE-REQUISITES: > > > > You need an already-checked-out version of the FreeBSD source tree > (preferably > > 9.0 or higher). > > > > INSTRUCTIONS: > > > > 1. cd /usr/src Correction... cd /usr/src/usr.sbin > > 2. fetch > http://druidbsd.sf.net/download/bsdconfig/bsdconfig.120305.txz > > 3. tar zxf bsdconfig.120305.txz > > 4. cd bsdconfig > > 5. sudo make install > > > > HOW TO USE: > > > > bsdconfig -h > > bsdconfig > > > > NOTE: If sudo(8) is installed, no need to run as root (bsdconfig will handle > > this for you -- if/when root privileges are needed, you'll be prompted for your > > sudo(8) credentials). > > > > If you have an X11 display and have xauth(1) installed, try this in an X11 > > session: > > > > bsdconfig -X > > > > Some other things to try for fun: > > > > bsdconfig hostname > > # jump directly to hostname configuration > > > > bsdconfig users > > # jump directly to user management > > > > bsdconfig networking > > # jump directly to network management > > > > bsdconfig defaultrouter > > # jump directly to defaultrouter configuration > > > > bsdconfig nameservers > > # jump directly to DNS nameserver configuration > > > > bsdconfig docsinstall > > # jump directly to documentation installation > > > > bsdconfig timezone > > # jump directly to timezone configuration > > > > bsdconfig timezone -X > > # Configure the timezone using X11 GUI > > > > bsdconfig timezone -h > > # See timezone usage (for which there are many options) > > > > ERRATA: > > > > "Documentation Installation" is fully functional > > "Network Management" is fully functional > > "Time Zone" is fully functional > > > > and > > > > "Login/Group Management" is mostly functional (group add/edit/delete not > done > > yet) > > > > Rest of the remaining modules are not functional yet. > > > > We continue to work very hard on this every day and look forward to any/all > > feedback, comments, suggestions, and snide remarks. > > great work. a few questions or rather suggestions: > > 1) why are there two ways to exit bsdconfig? one being "X Exit" and the other > one being "<Exit bsdconfig>"? If we change the label back to its default value of "Cancel", is it any different? What exactly would one be cancelling (as nothing has been selected yet)? I rather like the renamed "Cancel" button. Oh, and there's a lot more than 2 ways to exit bsdconfig(8): (from the main menu) 1. Choose "Exit" 2. Select "Exit bsdconfig" 3. Press ESC on the keyboard 4. (X11-only) Click the "X" close widget 5. (bug) If TERM is set to something other than cons25, pressing SHIFT+TAB will cause exit 6. (bug; Apple X11 only) If using X11 Forwarding to a Mac running Apple's X11 App, attempting to scroll a menu that is not scrollable with the mouse "wheel" (including two-finger up/down gesture) will cause exit. #5 remains as an open FreeBSD bug on the command-line and has already been filed as PR bin/151229). #6 remains as an open Apple bug in X11. Other bugs also exist in Apple X11 (like the fact that pressing ENTER to dismiss a dialog causes subsequent dialogs to be immediately dismissed as though the user is holding ENTER, though is not; work-around is to only use the mouse when interacting with Xdialog(1) via Apple's X11 App). I don't see a problem with giving the user multiple ways out (and labeling each correctly as such). > 2) the highlighted first letters suggest that these are shortcuts. they work > great for the actual menu items, but for "<OK>" and "<Exit bsdconfig>", > pressing O and E doesn't work. in fact E is already taken by "Startup". This simply isn't how dialog(1) works. I would suggest filing a PR against dialog(1) but I think things are set in stone. I perceive your issue to be with the highlighted first-letters of the buttons. Mind you that I don't have control over this, it's the default functionality of dialog(1) to do this. NOTE: Xdialog(1) (enabled by passing `-X' for X11 GUI) does not do this. In fact, Xdialog(1) doesn't even allow type-ahead for the menu items. > 3) when bsdconfig starts the note regarding the packages shouldn't state > "Pascal". most people probably don't know what pascal is. ;) how about > VirtualBox or chromium? these packages are probably used by a lot more > users. ^_^ Agreed. Ron, can we change this? Thoughts: I'm thinking that we should name some high-visibility software here. Say... Firefox :-D > 4) do we really need fdisk and disklabel? hasn't freebsd moved onto gpart > and glabel? > I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I've been thinking that we should combine the Fdisk and DiskLabel menus into a single menu that calls sade(8). Thoughts? Again, thank you for all the feedback, Alex. -- Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. 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