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Date:      Tue, 17 Jan 2017 22:47:31 -0800
From:      "Ngie Cooper (yaneurabeya)" <yaneurabeya@gmail.com>
To:        Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "freebsd-testing@freebsd.org" <testing@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Looking at replacing ATF/Kyua (in a limited fashion) with Google Test/shunit2
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> On Jan 17, 2017, at 15:11, Alan Somers <asomers@freebsd.org> wrote:

=E2=80=A6

> Before you get to far, you should ask yourself how much test case
> isolation you desire.  Googletest is great, but I think it'll be hard
> to get the strong isolation between testcases provided by ATF.
> Perhaps it'll be find if GoogleTest tests provide no per-testcase
> isolation; most C/C++ programmers don't expect it anyway.  But many of
> FreeBSD's atf-sh tests depend on it.

A lot of programmers don=E2=80=99t desire this at all, until they =
realize how their tests might be affected by system state if/when there =
are files/directories/other inputs infecting their results on the test =
system.

> Also, how are you planning to hook up GoogleTest and shunit2 to Kyua?

It=E2=80=99s early enough on in the process of trying to figure out how =
things work that I cannot definitively say, other than it may end up =
being something like:

kyua <-> googletest <-> atf

or something more like:

kyua <-> googletest_atf_compat

and just mimic the output of ATF, while hiding the implementation =
details of the test suites. If that turns out to be a pain, then I=E2=80=99=
ll just implement another hook into kyua for googletest which will =
implement the features we need, potentially as a patch to the port, =
because =E2=80=9Clegal reasons=E2=80=9D (contributor agreements =
shouldn=E2=80=99t be impediments, but because I signed an individual CLA =
vs corporate CLA and they aren=E2=80=99t equivalent) are blocking me =
from giving code back to Google as a Dell EMC employee (things may =
change, but when I fought for a corporate CLA, it got stuck in the =
bureaucratic quagmire that is my company=E2=80=99s legal/business dept).

Thanks,
-Ngie

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