From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 0:46:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from prometheus.vh.laserfence.net (prometheus.laserfence.net [196.44.73.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE2C37B405 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 00:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.vh.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.10]) by prometheus.vh.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17GxOk-0002C3-00 for freebsd-fs@freebsd.org; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:46:02 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:46:02 +0200 (SAST) From: Willie Viljoen X-X-Sender: will@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Strange filesystem problem revisited... Message-ID: <20020609094005.I210-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've got another rather desturbing problem with the ata/ufs code... Awhile back I submitted several bug reports regarding mysterious kernel panics early in the morning, and the system coming back up unable to reboot due to softupdate inconsitancies almost everywhere on the drive... For months, this problem seemed to dissapear, then yesterday, I reinstalled my windows partition (used mostly for games, so, used very seldom) This morning, when I got to the machine, the problem had returned. Could this have anything to do with the mounted FAT32 file systems? If so, why does it not appear when those FAT32s are mounted, but have nothing on them? I also enabled power management for the hard drive yesterday, could this be it? The drive is a Seagate ST340810A, the controller is a PCI ATA, integrated into an Asus P3V133, identified only as a VIA 82C596. The machine actually output one last message in the logs before its first reboot attempt: Jun 9 03:01:14 phoenix /kernel: dscheck(#ad/0x20007): negative b_blkno -1061109568 I'd really apreciate it if anyone could get me some help getting this to stop. I've tried all the handbook and mailing list bugfixes (turning off write behind, tuning my BIOS parameters manually to my drive specifications, etc) all to no avail. Will -- Willie Viljoen Private IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 +27 82 404 03 27 will@laserfence.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 2:21: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD9537B409 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0180.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.180] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17GysM-0003rd-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 02:20:43 -0700 Message-ID: <3D031DC7.5C0C6C14@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 02:20:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange filesystem problem revisited... References: <20020609094005.I210-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Willie Viljoen wrote: > For months, this problem seemed to dissapear, then yesterday, I > reinstalled my windows partition (used mostly for games, so, used very > seldom) > > This morning, when I got to the machine, the problem had returned. Could > this have anything to do with the mounted FAT32 file systems? If so, why > does it not appear when those FAT32s are mounted, but have nothing on > them? Most likely, the Windows partition overlaps the BSD partition, or there is a difference in observed geometry between the BSD and DOS view of the drive. The other alternative is that it's "just coincidence" (unlikely). You didn't say what the box was. If you enabled power management, the BSD partition may be being used by the box as the "sleep" partition (old IBM Thinkpad BIOS identified the first non-DOS partition as the sleep partition, for example). So turning on APM may have caused the problems (also unlikely: generally, such an occurance would render the FreeBSD partition unbootably corrupt). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 2:28:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9363A37B40A; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpdi.ath.cx ([80.4.34.34]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020609092825.MJQY2755.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@hpdi.ath.cx>; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 10:28:25 +0100 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:26:49 +0100 From: Hiten Pandya To: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org, Terry Lambert Message-ID: <20020609092649.A392@hpdi.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Willie Viljoen Bcc: Subject: Re: Stange filesystem problem revisited... Reply-To: Hiten Pandya Date: Sun Jun 9 09:23:44 BST 2002 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD hpdi.ath.cx 4.3-RELEASE i386 X-PGP-Key: http://www.pittgoth.com/~hiten/pubkey.asc --- Terry Lambert wrote: > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > [ ... ] > > This morning, when I got to the machine, the problem had returned. > > Could this have anything to do with the mounted FAT32 file systems? > > If so, why does it not appear when those FAT32s are mounted, but have > > nothing on them? > Most likely, the Windows partition overlaps the BSD partition, > or there is a difference in observed geometry between the BSD > and DOS view of the drive. The other alternative is that it's > "just coincidence" (unlikely). > > You didn't say what the box was. If you enabled power management, > the BSD partition may be being used by the box as the "sleep" > partition (old IBM Thinkpad BIOS identified the first non-DOS > partition as the sleep partition, for example). So turning on APM > may have caused the problems (also unlikely: generally, such an > occurance would render the FreeBSD partition unbootably corrupt). Hmm. Shouldn't this kind of info be put in the FreeBSD-FAQ and the bit about old IBM Thinkpad laptops in the laptop article as a pre-caution? Just an FYI. -- Hiten Pandya hiten@uk.FreeBSD.org, hiten@xMach.org WWW: http://storm.uk.FreeBSD.org/~hiten/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 4: 5:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from prometheus.vh.laserfence.net (prometheus.laserfence.net [196.44.73.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA6937B403 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.vh.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.10]) by prometheus.vh.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17H0Uv-0002D6-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 13:04:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:04:37 +0200 (SAST) From: Willie Viljoen X-X-Sender: will@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange filesystem problem revisited... In-Reply-To: <3D031DC7.5C0C6C14@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020609130117.N201-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry, strangely enough, here it does the exact reverse, one of the partitions on the FreeBSD slice (ad0s1h), /home, usually suffers from the most damage, but it can still be repaired by fsck in single user mode. This is however the last partition in the slice, and is followed directly by the first DOS partition (a Primary DOS, seen in Windows as C) which is where all the problems usually pop up, so I think you might be on to something there. The box is a very generic ATX tower, Asus P3V133 board, Intel Celeron 333, but I don't think it will use a partition for sleep, so that's most likely ruled out. From what you describe, I think the problem probably is partition overlap. How can I repair this, and which partitionion tools would you recomend, as MS fdisk certainly isn't apt for this sort of system. To get back to my first paragraph, when I say exact reverse, I mean that ad0s1h requires some fdisking, and Windows becomes completely unbootable. Will On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > For months, this problem seemed to dissapear, then yesterday, I > > reinstalled my windows partition (used mostly for games, so, used very > > seldom) > > > > This morning, when I got to the machine, the problem had returned. Could > > this have anything to do with the mounted FAT32 file systems? If so, why > > does it not appear when those FAT32s are mounted, but have nothing on > > them? > > Most likely, the Windows partition overlaps the BSD partition, > or there is a difference in observed geometry between the BSD > and DOS view of the drive. The other alternative is that it's > "just coincidence" (unlikely). > > You didn't say what the box was. If you enabled power management, > the BSD partition may be being used by the box as the "sleep" > partition (old IBM Thinkpad BIOS identified the first non-DOS > partition as the sleep partition, for example). So turning on APM > may have caused the problems (also unlikely: generally, such an > occurance would render the FreeBSD partition unbootably corrupt). > > -- Terry > > > -- Willie Viljoen Private IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 +27 82 404 03 27 will@laserfence.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 4:49:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CA637B405; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 04:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0011.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.11] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17H1CG-00035Q-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:49:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3D03409F.52E5D3FE@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:48:47 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hiten Pandya Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: References: <20020609092649.A392@hpdi.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiten Pandya wrote: > > You didn't say what the box was. If you enabled power management, > > the BSD partition may be being used by the box as the "sleep" > > partition (old IBM Thinkpad BIOS identified the first non-DOS > > partition as the sleep partition, for example). So turning on APM > > may have caused the problems (also unlikely: generally, such an > > occurance would render the FreeBSD partition unbootably corrupt). > > Hmm. Shouldn't this kind of info be put in the FreeBSD-FAQ and the > bit about old IBM Thinkpad laptops in the laptop article as a > pre-caution? > > Just an FYI. Not really. It's well known, and in all the mailing list archives for all of the Open Source OS's, if you search for "Thinkpad". IBM made a BIOS change for Linux, and then they made a general BIOS change that worked for everyone. I think this comes under the heading of "Make sure you are running the most recent BIOS for your system". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 13:32:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from prometheus.vh.laserfence.net (prometheus.laserfence.net [196.44.73.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CC837B403 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 13:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.vh.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.10]) by prometheus.vh.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17H9M2-0002KT-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:32:02 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:32:02 +0200 (SAST) From: Willie Viljoen X-X-Sender: will@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange filesystem problem revisited... (follow up) In-Reply-To: <3D031DC7.5C0C6C14@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020609223108.U18802-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It turns out Terry was right, the FAT32 partition had (unnoticed) encroached upon the FreeBSD slice in such a way that the beginning of the FAT32 primary partition, and the end of the FreeBSD slice were trying to share the same piece of disk surface. Will -- Willie Viljoen Private IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 +27 82 404 03 27 will@laserfence.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 14: 1:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5FC37B40A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pool0102.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.102] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17H9nt-00052c-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 14:00:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3D03C1DB.371335B0@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 14:00:11 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Viljoen Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange filesystem problem revisited... (follow up) References: <20020609223108.U18802-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Willie Viljoen wrote: > It turns out Terry was right, the FAT32 partition had (unnoticed) > encroached upon the FreeBSD slice in such a way that the beginning of the > FAT32 primary partition, and the end of the FreeBSD slice were trying to > share the same piece of disk surface. I assume you have it fixed now? This is always a really anoying bug. It shouldn't be possible for it to happen, but it happens often enough that it was the first thing I thought of when you posted. 8-(. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 14: 4:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from prometheus.vh.laserfence.net (prometheus.laserfence.net [196.44.73.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401AF37B40E for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.vh.laserfence.net ([192.168.0.10]) by prometheus.vh.laserfence.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17H9qy-0002L5-00; Sun, 09 Jun 2002 23:04:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:04:00 +0200 (SAST) From: Willie Viljoen X-X-Sender: will@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Strange filesystem problem revisited... (follow up) In-Reply-To: <3D03C1DB.371335B0@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20020609230208.F18802-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry, it's fixed, thanks :) From what I understand, the diskslice editor in the install process creates partitions with rather odd specifications, this (the working) being another strange example: sysid 165,(FreeBSD/NetBSD/386BSD) start 37817010, size 33543720 (16378 Meg), flag 80 (active) beg: cyl 1023/ head 255/ sector 63; end: cyl 1023/ head 254/ sector 63 Surely it can't really start and end on the same cylinder... however, certain partition management programs seem to pick that up, unfortunately, DOS FDISK did not, and killed my partition. My own fault for not realising this though. Thanks a bunch. Will On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > Willie Viljoen wrote: > > It turns out Terry was right, the FAT32 partition had (unnoticed) > > encroached upon the FreeBSD slice in such a way that the beginning of the > > FAT32 primary partition, and the end of the FreeBSD slice were trying to > > share the same piece of disk surface. > > I assume you have it fixed now? > > This is always a really anoying bug. It shouldn't be possible for > it to happen, but it happens often enough that it was the first > thing I thought of when you posted. 8-(. > > -- Terry > > > -- Willie Viljoen Private IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 +27 82 404 03 27 will@laserfence.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Sun Jun 9 15:45:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from wg.pu.ru (wg.pu.ru [193.124.85.219]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B3737B40A for ; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from YB3791.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by wg.pu.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with UUCP id WAA20147; Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:45:17 GMT Received: by YB3791.spb.edu (UUPC/@ v7.02, 01May98) id AA00100; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:43:35 +0400 (MSD) From: "Yan V. Batuto" To: "Willie Viljoen" Cc: "freebsd-fs@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 02:43:34 +0400 (MSD) Reply-To: "Yan V. Batuto" X-Mailer: PMMail 2.20.2382 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 In-Reply-To: <20020609223108.U18802-100000@phoenix.vh.laserfence.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Strange filesystem problem revisited... (follow up) Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What tool did you use to create a fat32 partition? May be I am too late, but I'd like to say that m$dos fdisk is the best tool for making very amusing but perfectly useless muddle of partitions on the hard disk. It's from my personal sad experience. I installed FreeBSD on the new 40G HDD and left two 1G partitions in the beginning of disk for win and may-be-something-else. A month or two later I decided to install win98 on it. Dos didn't see unformatted partitions for some reason, so I ran dos fdisk to remove and create it again. Then windows was installed OK. Later, after restoring a bootmanager I booted a FreeBSD and got a panic on a such innocent action as 'ls'. I have never seen so many errors of all sorts during fsck... After an short investigation I found that fdisk made new win partitions passing about a 8G from the beginning of HDD so they was written over /usr... So I prefer to use for disk partitioning pqmagic, sometimes OS/2 fdisk but never -- win(dos) fdisk. Yan On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 22:32:02 +0200 (SAST), Willie Viljoen wrote: > It turns out Terry was right, the FAT32 partition had (unnoticed) > encroached upon the FreeBSD slice in such a way that the beginning of the > FAT32 primary partition, and the end of the FreeBSD slice were trying to > share the same piece of disk surface. > > Will > > -- > Willie Viljoen > Private IT Consultant > > 214 Paul Kruger Avenue > Universitas > Bloemfontein > 9321 > > South Africa > > +27 51 522 15 60, a/h +27 51 522 44 36 > +27 82 404 03 27 > > will@laserfence.net > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Jun 12 6:24:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from lycos.com (61-222-158-100.HINET-IP.hinet.net [61.222.158.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBFB237B409; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rly-yk04.aolmd.com ([185.85.20.205]) by rly-xl04.mx.aolmd.com with smtp; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:24:11 -0400 Received: from [53.198.216.198] by q4.quickslow.com with asmtp; 11 Jun 2002 20:22:50 +0300 Received: from [82.161.197.120] by rly-yk05.pesdets.com with NNFMP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:21:29 -0400 Received: from 22.192.187.209 ([22.192.187.209]) by rly-yk05.pesdets.com with NNFMP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 19:20:08 +0300 Received: from rly-yk04.aolmd.com ([192.64.224.103]) by smtp4.cyberecschange.com with SMTP; Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:18:47 +0300 Reply-To: Message-ID: <036b66b56a8d$8327b5b8$5ac40ce1@sthbbg> From: To: Home@FreeBSD.ORG, Owner@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ** Approved. ** Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:01:01 +0300 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E5_84A70E3A.C4515B83" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_84A70E3A.C4515B83 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+DQo8Ym9keT4NCjxmb250IGNvbG9yPSJmZmZmZmYiPkZyaWVuZDwv Zm9udD4NCjxwPllvdXIgaG9tZSByZWZpbmFuY2UgbG9hbiBpcyBhcHByb3Zl ZCE8YnI+PC9wPjxicj4NCjxwPlRvIGdldCB5b3VyIGFwcHJvdmVkIGFtb3Vu dCA8YSBocmVmPSJodHRwOi8vNjYuMjMxLjEzMy4yMDEvYXBwcm92YWwvIj5n bw0KaGVyZTwvYT4uPC9wPg0KPGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJy Pjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjxicj48YnI+ PGJyPg0KPHA+VG8gYmUgZXhjbHVkZWQgZnJvbSBmdXJ0aGVyIG5vdGljZXMg PGZvbnQgc2l6ZT0iMyI+PGENCmhyZWY9Im1haWx0bzpnYW5kYWxmMkBidGFt YWlsLm5ldC5jbj9zdWJqZWN0PXBsZWFzZSB1bnN1YnNjcmliZSI+Z28gaGVy ZTwvYT48L2ZvbnQ+PHNtYWxsPg0KLjwvc21hbGw+PC9wPg0KPGZvbnQgY29s b3I9ImZmZmZmZiI+RnJpZW5kPC9mb250Pg0KPC9ib2R5Pg0KPGZvbnQgY29s b3I9ImZmZmZmZiI+DQo8L2h0bWw+DQowNTAxbW9LcDQtNjQ2b2hSejQ4NDNv dm9uMy0wMDRKTEVrMzUzMXFwcGI2LTU1OUZzQ2U0OTYzU1lrbTQtNzExbVV4 dDQzMzJWdnBkMS02NTJsNzY= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Wed Jun 12 20:22:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ggcargousa.com (64.89.84.134.nw.nuvox.net [64.89.84.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156C637B40A; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from . 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To unsubscribe from future offers, just click here: mailto:affiliateoptout@btamail.net.cn?Subject=off To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-fs Fri Jun 14 10: 5:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Received: from viola.sinor.ru (viola.sinor.ru [217.70.106.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F0037B40E; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:05:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p113.c5350.sinor.ru (p113.c5350.sinor.ru [217.70.110.113]) by viola.sinor.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30590; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:03:22 +0700 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:05:18 +0700 (NOVST) From: "Semen A. Ustimenko" X-X-Sender: semenu@def.the.net To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org, Subject: UFS dotdot lookup deadlock (Was: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/fs/nullfs null_vnops.c) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020614064339.K3828-100000@def.the.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Joseph Scott wrote: > On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Semen Ustimenko wrote: > > # semenu 2002/06/13 10:30:40 PDT > # > # Modified files: > # sys/fs/nullfs null_vnops.c > # Log: > # Fix wrong locking in null_inactive and null_reclaim. This makes nullfs > # relatively working back. > # > # Reviewed by: mckusick, bp > > Any chance that this fix addresses PR kern/38107 (Panic on > nullfs) or kern/37270 (nullfs broken by locking changes)? Unfortunately I > don't understand what's involved here. These were the only two PR that > mentioned nullfs that looked like they might be related to this commit. > Partially... kern/37270: This patch fixes the bug introduced in r1.51, but not the problem with SHARED_LOOKUP. kern/38107: The panic is because v_rdev get dereferenced. It's not quite clear to me how to create shadow vnode for spec vnode, neither if it is necessary at all. I've just verified your method to deadlock, and it worked nicely (I mean deadlocked nicely :). Here is what I found: When looking up the DOTDOT, in vfs_cache_lookup(), we VOP_UNLOCK() parent directory, this is quite right... But the directory remains locked, because it was recursively locked! This leads to deadlock... UFS allows the vnodes to be recursively locked and it seems that softupdates require this. UFS gurus? Bye! 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Eine relativ aussergewöhnliche Gerüchteküche, aus der man mir ein schwerverdauliches Süppchen vorgesetzt hat, ist der Grund meiner Mail. Unappetitlich ist gar kein Ausdruck! Ist es möglich auf funktechnischem Wege(in welchen Frequenzbereichen?) jemanden zu beeinflussen oder zu manipulieren? Oder sogar zu schikanieren und terrorisieren? Unter dem Motto:"Einen am Sender?Nich ganz alleine? Kleine Mannim Ohr?Falsche Wellenlänge?Bohnen in den Ohren? Auf den Zahn gefühlt(Amalgam)?Mal unverbindlich reinhören? Der Pullacher Wanzentanz? Ist das Spinnerei?Das geht doch gar nicht,oder? Und wenn wie sieht das ethisch moralisch aus? Zur technischen Seite der Sache gibt es zwar Berichte und Webseiten: Totalitaer,de - Die Waffe gegen die Kritik http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/Tempelhof/ http://jya.com/haarp.htm http://www.zeitenschrift.at/magazin/zs_24_15/1_mikrowaffen.htm http://www.bse-plus.de/d/doc/lbrief/lbmincontr.htm http://home.nexgo.de/kraven/bigb/big3.html http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html http://cryptome.org/ http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm http://www.trufax.org/menu/mind.html http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html http://mindcontrolforum.com/ http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html usw. usw. usw. ,aber,das kann doch nicht sein,das soetwas gemacht wird,oder? Eine Menschenrechtsverletzung sonder gleichen!?! Ist es möglich,durch Präparation,der Ohren und im Zusammenspiel mit eventuell vorhandenem Zahnersatz? Mit relativ einfacher Funktechnik?? In diesem Land?Hier und heute??? Unter welchen Motiven? Wo ist eigentlich die Abteilung 5 des BND und des Verfassungsschutzes? Kann es sein,daß es Leute gibt,die dem BND/Verfassungsschutz,auf funktechnischem Wege permanent einen Situationsbericht abliefern,ohne es selbst zu merken,im Kindesalter machbar gemacht?? Werden durch solche inoffiziellen Mitarbeiter,beim BND und Verfassungsschutz,nach Stasimanier, Informationen von und über,rein theoretisch, jeden Bundesbürger,gesammelt? Gibt es dann noch ein Recht auf Privatsphere? Wer kontrolliert eigentlich den BND,MAD und Verfassungsschutz auf Unterwanderung??? In der Mail geht es mir eigentlich um die Frage,ob es kriminellen Elementen, aus dem Motiv der Bereicherung,oder Gruppierungen aus ideologischen Motiven, möglich ist ,sich Wissen und Technik anzueignen,die zu anderen Zeiten, aus anderen Motiven(Westfernsehen?),entwickelt wurde. Und stellt der technische Wissensstand, der der Allgemeinheit bekannt ist wirklich das Ende der Fahnenstange dar? Ist es denn nicht kriminellen Elementen genauso möglich, ich sage das jetzt mal verharmlost und verniedlichend, einzelne Personen oder Gruppen mit relativ einfachen Mitteln, aus welchen Motiven auch immer, auszuspionieren? Und stellt diese "Ausspioniererei" nicht einen erheblichen Eingriff in die Privatsphäre dar? Ist es möglich einzelne Personen oder Gruppen, eine Akzeptans einer gewissen Öffentlichkeit(suggeriert?), die z.B. mit Hilfe von Internetseiten,wie zum Beispiel dem "Pranger"geschaffen werden könnte, mal vorausgestzt,zu terroriesieren und oder zu schikanieren, und das in aller (suggerierten)Öffentlichkeit?Haben die Leute die da am Pranger, oder auf irgendeiner anderen Seite verunglimpft,oder gar Verleumdet werden, eigentlich eine Chance zur Gegenöffentlichkeit?Ist das nicht Rufmord? Vor einigen Jahren bin ich per Zufall auf die Seite "Der Pranger" gestoßen, damals lief das noch nicht unter dem Deckmantel der Partnervermittlung. Können sich einzelne Personen,oder Interessengemeinschaften, aus reinem Selbstzweck,solcher Seiten bedienen, um unter dem Deckmantel einer fragwürdigen Zivilkourage, durch anzetteln irgendwelcher Hetzkampagnen,eigene, ganz persöhnliche Interessen durchsetzen? Können solche Seiten zur Koordination von kriminellen machenschaften dienen? Die Frage,ist es Möglichkeit oder Unmöglichkeit,technisch und gesellschaftlich, einzelne Personen,oder auch Gruppierungen,aus einer kriminellen/ideologischen Energei heraus,zu manipulieren oder zu beeinflussen,terrorisieren oder zu schickanieren,und zwar gezielt. Zielgruppenmanipulation durch Massenmedien sind alltägliche Manipulation, der mansich,mehr oder weniger,entziehen kann. Wird das Recht auf Privatsphäre,schleichend,tiefenpsychologisch, durch Sendungen,wie,zum Beispiel "Big brother",untergraben? Sollte bei einem der Angemailten ein gewisser Wissensstand zum Thema vorhanden sein, wäre ich über Hinweise zum Thema froh. Auf der Suche nach Antworten auf meine Fragen maile ich verschiedene Adressen aus dem Internet an, und hoffe aufkonstruktive Antworten und Kritiken. Über einen Besuch auf der Seite würde ich mich freuen. Sollten Sie von mir mehrfach angeschrieben worden sein,so bitte ich Sie,mir dies zu entschuldigen, das war nicht beabsichtigt. Der Grund für meine Anonymität ist die Tatsache, daß bei derlei Fragenstellerei, verständlicherweise,schnell der Ruf nach der Psychatrie laut wird. Was auch Methode hat(ist). Sollten Sie die Mail als Belästigung empfinden, möchte ich mich hiermit dafür entschuldigen! Big brother is watching you? Excuse please the disturbance! Me something came to ears. A relatively unusual rumor kitchen, from which one put forward to me a heavydigestible soup, is the reason of my Mail. Unappetizing is no printout! Is it possible on radio Wege(in for which frequency ranges?) to influence or manipulate someone? Terrorize or to even chicane and? Under the Motto:"Einen at the Sender?Nich quite alone? Small Mannim Ohr?Fal Wellenlaenge?Bohnen in the ears? On the tooth clean-hear gefuehlt(Amalgam)?Mal witthout obligation? The Pullacher bug wanzentanz? Isn't the Spinnerei?Das goes nevertheless at all, or? And if as looks ethicalally morally? For the technical page of the thing there is to report and web page: Totalitaer,de - Die Waffe gegen die Kritik http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/Tempelhof/ http://jya.com/haarp.htm http://www.zeitenschrift.at/magazin/zs_24_15/1_mikrowaffen.htm http://www.bse-plus.de/d/doc/lbrief/lbmincontr.htm http://home.nexgo.de/kraven/bigb/big3.html http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html http://cryptome.org/ http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm http://www.trufax.org/menu/mind.html http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html http://mindcontrolforum.com/ http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html usw. usw. usw. but, that cannot be nevertheless, which is made soetwas, or? A violation of human rights resemble special!?! Is it possible, by preparation, the ears and in interaction with possibly available artificial dentures? With relatively simple radio engineering?? In this Land?Hier and today??? Under which motives? Where is the department actually 5 of the BND and the protection of the constitution? Can it be that there are people, which deliver the Federal Intelligence Service/protection of the constitution, on radio way permanently a situation report, without noticing it, in the infancy feasiblly made? By such unofficial coworkers, with the BND and protection of the constitution, after Stasimanier, is information collected of and over,purely theoretically, each Federal citizen? Is there then still another right to Privatsphere? Who actually checks the BND, WAD and protection of the constitution for infiltration??? Into the Mail actually concerns it to me the question whether it criminal items, from which motive of enriching, or groupings from ideological motives is possible, to acquire itself knowledge and technique which were developed at other times, from other Motiven(Westfernsehen?).And does the technical knowledge status place, to that the public admits is really the end of the flag bar? Is it not to criminal items just as possible, I legend that now times played down and does nice-end, individual persons or groups with relatively simple means, to spy from whatever motives always? And doesn't this " Ausspioniererei " represent a substantial intervention into the privatsphaere? It is possible individual persons or groups, one acceptance to of a certain Oeffentlichkeit(suggeriert?), e.g. by Internet pages, how for example the " Pranger"geschaffen could become, times vorausgestzt, to terroriesieren and or chicane, and in everything (the people suggerierten)Oeffentlichkeit?Haben there at the Pranger, or on any other page to be reviled, or slandered, actually a chance to the Gegenoeffentlichkeit?Ist that not character assassination? Some years ago I am by coincidence the page " the Pranger " encountered, at that time ran not yet under the cover of the partner switching.Itself can individual persons, or communities of interests, from pure self purpose, such pages to serve, over under the cover of a doubtful Zivilkourage, through plot any rushing campaigns, own, quite persoehnliche interests to intersperse? Can such pages serve for the co-ordination of criminal machinations? The question, is it possibility or impossibility, technically and socially, individual persons, or also groupings of manipulating or of influencing from an criminal/ideological Energei, terrorizes or to schickanieren, directed.Target group manipulation by mass media are everyday manipulation, from which, more or less, can extract itself. Does the right to privatsphaere, creeping, by transmissions become deep psychological, how, for example " Big undermine brother"? If the Angemailten should be available a certain knowledge status to the topic with one, I would be glad over notes to the topic On the search for responses to my questions maile I different addresses from the Internet on, and hope up-constructional responses and criticisms.Over an attendance on the page wuerde I are pleased.If you should have been written down by me several times, then please I you to excuse me this that was not intended. The reason for my anonymity is the fact that with such Fragenstellerei, understandably, fast after the call the Psychatrie loud becomes. Which also method hat(ist). If you should feel the Mail as annoyance, I would like to apologize hereby for it! Big is watching you? Veuillez excuser le dérangement! Moi quelque chose concernant des oreilles est venu. Une cuisine de bruit relativement inhabituelle, dont on m'a placé un Sueppchen schwerverdauliches devant, est la raison de mes Mail.Aucune expression n'est peu appétissante! Il est possible sur un Wege(in funktechnischem pour quelles réponses fréquentielles?) quelqu'un influencer ou manipuler? Ou même schikanieren et terroriser? Sous le Motto:"Einen au Sender?Nich tout à fait seulement? Petits Mannim Ohr?Falsche Wellenlaenge?Bohnen dans les oreilles? Sur la dent gefuehlt(Amalgam)?Mal non contraignant reinhoeren? Le Pullacher Wanzentanz? Le Spinnerei?Das n'est-il quand même pas du tout va, ou? Et si comme cela paraît éthiquement moralement? Au côté technique de la chose, il y a certes des rapports et des Webseiten: Totalitaer,de - Die Waffe gegen die Kritik http://www.fosar-bludorf.com/Tempelhof/ http://jya.com/haarp.htm http://www.zeitenschrift.at/magazin/zs_24_15/1_mikrowaffen.htm http://www.bse-plus.de/d/doc/lbrief/lbmincontr.htm http://home.nexgo.de/kraven/bigb/big3.html http://w3.nrl.navy.mil/projects/haarp/index.html http://cryptome.org/ http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm http://www.trufax.org/menu/mind.html http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html http://mindcontrolforum.com/ http://www.trufax.org/menu/elect.html usw. usw. usw. toutefois qui ne peut quand même pas être qui on fait soetwas, ou? Une violation des droits de l'homme séparer ressembler!?! Il est possible, par la préparation, des oreilles et dans l'effet avec la prothèse dentaire éventuellement existante? Avec la technique de radio relativement simple?? Dans ce Land?Hier et aujourd'hui Sous quels motifs? Où le département est-il en réalité 5 du BND et de la protection d'constitution? peut il être qu'il y a les personnes qui livrent en permanence le BND/Verfassungsschutz, de manière funktechnischem un rapport de situation, sans le remarquer le -même , dans l'enfance rendu possible?? Par de tels collaborateurs officieux, avec le BND et la protection d'constitution, après manière, des informations sont-elles rassemblées et plus de, purement théoriquement, chaque citoyen allemand? Il y a alors encore un droit à des Privatsphere? Qui contrôle en réalité le BND, mad et protection d'constitution sur une infiltration??? Il s'agit en réalité dans le Mail me la question de savoir si lui éléments criminels, dont le motif de l'enrichissement, ou de groupements des motifs idéologiques, possible de s'acquérir le savoir et la technique qui à d'autres temps, est autre MotivenEt place-t-il le savoir technique dont le public vraiment la fin la barre de drapeau a connaissance ? Il n'est pas donc exactement la même chose possible pour des éléments criminels, moi cela maintenant fois verharmlost et minimisant une légende, personnes ou groupes particuliers avec des moyens relativement simples, de quels motifs aussi toujours, auszuspionieren?(Westfernsehen?), a été développé. Et ce "Ausspioniererei" ne représente-t-il pas une intervention considérable dans la vie privée? Il est possible personnes ou groupes particuliers, pour certain Oeffentlichkeit(suggeriert?), celui p. ex. à l'aide des côtés Internet, comme par exemple "le Pranger"geschaffen pourrait, fois vorausgestzt schikanieren terroriesieren et ou , et qui toute (suggerierten)Oeffentlichkeit?Haben les personnes ceux là, ou d'un autre côté verunglimpft, ou on ne pas calomnie, en réalité une chance au Gegenoeffentlichkeit?Ist qui meurtre d'appel? Il y a quelques années, je ne suis pas encore par hasard sur le côté "celui" poussé, fonctionnais alors cela sous la couche de pont de l'entremise partenaire. Des personnes particulières, ou des communautés d'intérêts le peuventelles, d'un autobut pur, de tels côtés servent, sous la couche de pont d'un Zivilkourage douteux, tracent plus de des campagnes de précipitation, propres intérêts tout à fait persoehnliche entremêlent? De tels côtés peuvent-ils servir à la coordination des manoeuvres criminelles? Question, est lui possibilité ou impossibilité de manipuler ou d'influencer techniquement et socialement, particulière personnes, ou aussi groupements, criminelle/ponctuel idéologique Energei dehors, , terroriser ou schickanieren, et ce.Une manipulation de groupe cible par des masse-médias être la manipulation quotidienne qui peut extraire mansich, plus ou moins. Le droit à la vie privée est-il miné, ramment, tiefenpsychologisch, par des envois, comme, par exemple "des Big brother"? Avec un les Angemailten si un certain savoir devait exister sur le thème, je serais heureux sur des indications sur le thème.Sur la recherche des réponses à mes questions je différentes adresses maile d'Internet dessus, et espère réponses et critiques aufkonstruktive. Sur une visite du côté http://hometown.aol.de/reinerhohn38259/homepage/index.html> je me réjouirais. Si vous deviez avoir été écrit à différentes reprises par moi, je vous demande de m'excuser cela qui n'était pas envisagé. La raison de mon anonymat est le fait qu'avec telle des Fragenstellerei, l'appel devient ce qui est bien compréhensible, rapidement bruyant après le Psychatrie. Ce que la méthode a également (ist). Si vous deviez ressentir les Mail comme un ennui, je voudrais m'excuser par ceci pour cela! Big brother is watching you? Könnte mir jemand bei der korrekten Überstzung helfen? Could someone help me with the correct translation? Quelqu'un pourrait-il m'aider lors du Ueberstzung correct? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-fs" in the body of the message